Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - MARK HOPPUS Thinks Camping Sucks

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

Mark Hoppus joins Seth and Josh on the pod this week! He talks all about a memorable family trip where their camper was stolen, navigating family dynamics amidst his parents' divorce, how his sister was instrumental for Mark joining Blink 182, a family trip to Antarctica, his love for scuba diving, and more! Mark also chats about his new book Fahrenheit 182! Support our sponsors: Nissan Family Trips is brought to you by the All-New 2025 Nissan Armada. Take your adventures to new heights. Learn more at NissanUSA.com Visit Baltimore Baltimore’s slogan is, “You won’t get it, til you get here!” Go to Baltimore.org to plan your vacation or getaway today. Freedom From Religion Foundation Whether you’ve always been secular or left religion behind, if you don’t want someone else dictating the trip for you, F-F-R-F has your back. Join us. Go to FFRF.US/Freedom or text the word, “FAMILY” to five eleven five eleven and become a member today. Text fees may apply. DeleteMe Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for DeleteMe. Now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to joindeleteme.com/trips and use promo code TRIPS at checkout.

This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by the all new 2025 Nissan Armada because going big never goes out of style. Learn more at NissanUSA.com. Here we go. Hi Pashi. Hi Sufi. How are you my friend? I'm good. Good.

We're talking right now and we're going to mention it in a later episode, but it is my wife's birthday. Oh yeah. And her birthday is April Fool's Day. And I took my boys to our local art store. Mostly we go to their local art store and they just build castles. Like it's a place where there's like boxes

and you've been there, right? Yeah. Little jewels, little rocks. And they, so they build castles and they paint them. And then they say they're really important. We have to bring them home. We put them in the basement. We never look at them again.

But if you're looking- You call it the gallery. We do call it the gallery. And it's in a very dank, dark basement. And if you're out there and you're looking for some shoddy looking castles, I'm looking to unload some. Yeah, come take the gallery tour

and maybe you'll go home with a castle. So, but I did stress to them, I said, look, let's make cards for mama, it will mean the world tour. And both kids had the idea to use April Fools as a jumping off point. And so Ash had an idea, which was the front of the card, would say, you are the worst mom ever.

And then he wanted to open it up and he wanted to have a pop-up character in the book saying April Fools. And then underneath it, you're the best mom ever. Really good idea. So we're at the art store. I'm watching a YouTube video about how to make a pop-up card. Right. Takes me a bunch of efforts to get one right, but I'm very happy with how it ended up. I think it was a great card.

Meanwhile, Axel, all he wants to do is have a card that says on the front, when is your birthday? And then you open it up and it says April Fool's. Now he also writes April Fool's on a piece of paper and he says, I want it to, he goes, uh, I go, do you want to learn how to make a pop-up card? He goes, no, it will pop up. And so I just watch him, he takes a piece of paper, and he writes April Fools, and then he takes a long strip of paper, and he tapes that to the thing, and then he folds up the

long strip like an accordion. Yeah. And so I'm like, all right, bud, but that's not gonna pop up the way you think it is. He goes, yes, it will. And then he does this whole thing and he opens it. And of course it just, it's limply lies there. It's not, just cause you make a piece of paper look like a, you know, a spring.

It doesn't make it a spring. Yeah. And he just opens it and nothing happens. And he goes, okay, you gotta fix that. And I really was like, I think knowing your mom, she's gonna enjoy seeing exactly how you thought this was gonna go. I also think, and I mean, you were there

so you know how it went, but you don't open a card flat on a table, you typically hold a card upright like a book, so it would fall out sort of. Yeah, that's a very good point. Like, Gravity's working against this plan. Right, but I would think Gravity would work in favor of his accordion. Oh, yeah.

It would just kind of limply go down, but it would fall out of the card. Yes. Yeah. It wouldn't jump out at her. We're also, this is the birthday corridor in my family. Oh yeah. We've got a March 27th, Ash, April 1st, Alexi, April 8th, Axel, and we are fully back in the Lego zone.

Okay. And we are in the Star Wars Lego zone. Mm-hmm. And it is, these things are so massive these days. Yeah. And so detailed. And the downside of that is this morning at 4.40, Axel came into my bed, got real close to my ear and said,

I need your help with the Death Star. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. And I like to imagine that's how Darth Vader asked somebody once. Yeah. He had an idea. Can you help me with this? Emperor Palpentine, I need your help with the Death's Dog. I feel bad right now. I ordered something for Ash weeks ago and it just arrived and I got to get it in the mail to him.

Oh, you delivered it to you. It delivered to me because I wanted to wrap it properly and be like, this is from Uncle Poshie. It's good. It will end up coming at a time where like he's ready for one last wave of gifts, you know. Right, but I do think like then I was thinking about what I get for Axel and Right, but I do think like, then I was thinking about what I get for Axel and Ash, I got this book that I loved when I was around his age. What was it? Red Wall. Oh yeah, that with the mouse.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. Which was on a list of like the best 100 fantasy books of all time, adult and kid, but that one made the cut. And so I ordered it, I wanted it to be a hard cover and it took a while to get here. But then I want to get something for Axel and I just feel like Axel's side by side

will be so much cooler than a book. And I don't want Ash to get a late birthday present, which is already like, oh, it's not even my birthday. And then like, and wait, he gets this and I get a book? Yeah, I will say some people have gotten him some books and your fears are well-placed. Yeah, well, I do have something to make it a bit more special.

I got, there's this company that makes these like, they're like butterflies that you wind up and you put them in a book. So when you open the book, it flies out. Oh, wow. And I think it's going to be, it's going to add at least four seconds of excitement. That's something. Yeah.

It's not nothing. But then he'll be able to then take this and put it in other people's books. Oh, the butterfly, right. Yeah. And do you think this butterfly is sort of like a snake coming out of mixed nuts meant to scare people? Oh, okay. I mean, I think it's like supposed to be delightful,

but it does say on the website, it's like maybe warn people who get scared easily that this could be coming. And there's one person I thought I would definitely have to do that for if I were to include it in a book. That would be our mother. That's mom. Yeah.

Now real quick, give me the noise mom would make if a butterfly came out of her book. Oh! Yeah. Now make the noise she makes when the microwave dings. Oh! Now, the microwave dings. Oh.

Now, make the noise she makes if dad has to put the brakes on a little quick because somebody cuts them off. Oh. That's really good, Posh. Hey, thanks. And now you are, and this is a really cool offer for our listeners. Josh has recorded 1,000 of mom's reactions. They are different if you think they're the same.

They are different. And you can download them as a ringtone. And so the ringtones are like eight in a row. So this would be, if you download the mom reaction ringtone, this would be what it sounds like if you get a call. Oh! Now, now, now do your reaction of mom reacting to that ringtone if she downloaded on her phone. Oh, it's a new one.

Now we got it. Well, yeah, see, they are different. They are different. All right, bud. Well, we've got a wonderful episode today. Mark Hoppus, lovely guy. Yeah. Yeah.

Cool dude. I mean, so cool. Just wonderful episode today. Mark Hoppus, lovely guy. Yeah, yeah. Cool dude. I mean, so cool. Just as soon as you see this guy, you're like, well, that's a cool person. Cool dude. Been cool for a long time, still cool.

Yeah. So enjoy that conversation. Also enjoy Jeff Tweedy. Family trips with the Myers Brothers. Family chips with the Myers Brothers. Here we go. Hey there. Hey, hey, hey.

Hello. How are you? Good, how are you? We're very well. Are you talking to me or are you talking to your brother? No, I could just tell how he is. I don't even have to ask. Hi, Jeff Schell wanted me to say hello to you. Oh my goodness, please give him my love.

I will. My wife, Mark, wanted to say hello to you and I don't know if you remember her, she was at the Northampton Airport Warp Tour in the late 90s, I wanna say. Oh, hell yeah, that was your wife, nice. Yeah, she was wearing a tank top, jean cutoffs and converse ones. She was 14, so part of me hopes you don't remember her. Was I polite, was I kind?

She said you guys were amazing. Yeah, she's- Awesome, very cool. Yeah. I would imagine if you look back, would your bet be, in most cases, people's experience would be polite and kind? Yes, totally. 100%. Maybe not with Tom.

Did you appreciate that early on, how important that was to have those interactions count with people? Oh, always, because I was always that kid. When I was, well, I wasn't a kid, I was in college and I went to a Replacements concert and we bullied our way backstage. We literally just walked past, we didn't bully, but we just walked past security into the Replacements dressing room, opened the door.

It was right after the show. They were like literally like pouting, tallying off, drinking water, whatever, and walked in and like, hey, will you guys sign stuff for us? And they were so kind and cool. They were like, yeah, what you guys sign stuff for us? And they were so kind and cool. They were like, yeah, what do you want us to sign? And I didn't have anything to sign.

So I went over and I reached on the wall of their dressing room and I pulled off a replacements poster and all the band signed it. So I always remembered that. And I didn't want to be the person that was like, nah, I'm not signing your thing or I'm not taking your photo because it's such a compliment and such a kindness

for people to come up and say, I love your band. Can we have a photo? Also, I would imagine no one ever crossed as many boundaries as you guys did with the replacements. I guess not, yeah. We just literally walked straight into their dressing room. I don't know why we didn't get our asses kicked. Yeah.

And was it the three? Who walked in? Who were you with when you did that? It was me and two of my friends. It was not the band, no. Okay, gotcha. And, well, that's really lovely. You took that into account as you went on your career. I had a moment today, which is sort of embarrassing, because I remember having seen you on ESODEL,

and I really, I had to look back because I couldn't remember, and this speaks to getting older, if I was there yet or not. If I had seen you from the floor or on TV TV and you guys did it right before I showed up. Okay, yeah, we did it in what, 99 or 2000. 2000, yeah. I actually just looked it up to verify and it was 25 years ago in January. How about that?

Wow, holy hell. Isn't that crazy? That's crazy. That was so fun. It was so, that's one of those moments like when we were on the Simpsons or like when you play Madison Square Garden, you play Saturday Night Live and you're like, holy hell, we made it. That's it.

I was so impressed too with the band. I feel like the nerves right before an SNL might be even higher than a Madison Square Garden situation. Maybe I'm wrong, but just knowing that it's going out to everybody at once. Yeah, it was... Can I tell you a funny story of that day? Please, yes. The host was Jamie Foxx and he was there promoting any given Sunday.

Okay. That lines up. Our manager went and saw the movie that day, came back to the dressing room and I'm literally, the way that the dressing room, the host, and the musical guests are right next to one each other, separated by a hallway of about three feet. There's this little hallway and it goes right and left.

And I'm sitting in our dressing room, looking directly at Jamie Foxx, who's looking back at me. And our manager comes in and goes, "'Man, I just saw that movie any given Sunday. It was terrible. I was so bored. I hated every second of it.' And Jamie Foxx is looking at me

and I'm looking at him like, "'I don't know, I'm so sorry. I don't know what's happening right now. They are very close. I will verify that they are. They are so close that it's surprising what you just described doesn't happen more. Yeah, totally.

So you have, you've written a book and the book is a good deal about your family and your upbringing. Yeah. And, you know, we're talking about family trips. And even in the description of this book, it describes the fact that you sort of came out of a bitter divorce. Bitter divorce.

And I think a lot of people who listen to the show, I mean, obviously Josh and I are lucky enough our parents still together, we talk about trips, people remember it, but that's not true of everybody. And I'm wondering, like, what was your, do you have memories before, you were eight when your parents split? Yeah, we went on lots of family trips. We went camping all the time.

The family trip I remember the most was my dad bought a camper, but you know the thing you put on the back of a pickup truck and it's basically like a metal tent, and drove us around the country. We were in Boston. We were at Boston Square, that big square in Boston is, I think it's called Boston Square maybe.

The Boston Common? Boston Commons, yeah. And we were there and we were doing all the sightseeing and we came back and our truck was stolen. And my dad saw it driving off around the other side of Boston Common and took hauled ass across Boston Common to try and catch up with these people stealing our truck. We never caught them.

And we were stranded in Boston with all of our toys and clothes and everything gone as small children. Oh no. Yeah. Now, it was that, cause I know you're, you eventually ended up in California, but was that when you were in DC? No, no, no.

That was, we were still living in California at that point. So you drove across the country. Yeah, we had driven across the country. And it was one of those things where as little kids, we would be in the little area above where the drivers are, that little cabin up there, which is just the worst parenting possible. If we got in a car accident,

we are launching through that little window straight into the stratosphere. And nobody's walking that way from that thing. Yeah. It's crazy, like, we've had so many guests who talk about, you know, and we certainly did it as well, like, we slept in the back of our car, we put pillows down in the back seat, Yeah, it's crazy. Like we've had so many guests who talk about, and we certainly did it as well. Like we slept in the back of our car,

we put pillows down in the back seat and there were never any, we were never wearing seat belts, but I feel like, I don't know, we never hear about the actual accidents that people talk about that must have happened. Maybe it's just because when those accidents happened, maybe everybody died.

Yeah. There was no one to tell. When my parents brought me home from the hospital, the nurse said, the safest place to put your baby is in the wheel well of the passenger side seat. It's... It, I mean, especially in the 2025, when all you hear is like, you know, phones are so bad for kids.

It's the worst time to grow up. I just want to be like, they have seat belts. FYI. So it's a little give and take there. And bicycle helmets and wrist guards when you skateboard. Yeah, well that, I mean, you're early skateboard, right? I mean, when you just, so what is your injury situation growing up in the pre-risk guard skateboard days? I didn't break anything,

but I have scars still from skateboarding. I remember one time I was skateboarding with my friend and we were trying to do bonelesses off of this, like mid-size, like three foot tall brick wall. So we're trying to jump off the wall with the skateboard in our hand, put it underneath our feet and land it. And I did it one time and I broke the skateboard in half,

but I was undaunted. So I took the trucks off the back and I screwed them onto the front. So it was like a little half skateboard with a jagged edge on one side. I tried it again and it tipped forward, landed on the front foot first, so it tipped the entire skateboard up.

So my shin went down against the entire broken edge of the skateboard to the white of my bone. And I never got stitches and I still have the scar. Wow. That's one that looking back, you should have seen coming. Yeah, not the smartest decision. I want to, going back to, first of all, I think there's something, I don't know,

so memorable about watching a parent, like just do something in complete futility, like your dad running across Boston Commons to try to stop a car from being stolen. And obviously it's instinct on his end, but did you just know at the moment, oh, I'm never going to forget watching this man go try to... I mean, I still remember it, but it is one of those things like the truck was driving away and it's almost like in the movies where somebody's like, hey, that's my car. Like, what did my dad think he was gonna do?

Stand in front of the vehicle and the thieves were gonna be like, all right, sorry, our bad. Sorry about that. Oh, this is yours. Oh, yeah. Prior to that, on the drive, do you remember much of that cross-country tour?

Nothing else about the entire trip at all. There's photos of it that I don't remember anything from, but yeah, there's the happy photos of a happy family going to Boston, and then there's no photos after that. And then how did you get back? Did you? I don't even remember. I think we must've caught a flight or something. Who knows?

Yeah. You have one sibling, a sister, correct? Yes, I have a sister who's five years younger than I am. Oh, wow. So on a trip like that, do you guys, I mean, again, you have no memory of it, so I don't even know what I'm wow. So on a trip like that, do you guys, I mean, again, you have no memory of it, so I don't even know what I'm asking. So just in your upbringing in general,

how close were you with a sister who's five years younger? Very close, actually. We were best friends growing up. I took care of her. When my parents got divorced, we went with different parents, so we were separated. And then we kind of fought a lot then, but we regained our friendship when we were teenagers.

Not that we were adversarial by any means, but we kind of just didn't talk a whole lot. And then through our teens and like, she was the reason that I'm in Blink 182 because she was dating a guy who introduced me to Tom, our guitarist. And so she's the reason that I met Tom and started the band.

Oh, unbelievable. This seems, I mean, I don't know how many families you're doing that at the time, but your sister went to live with your mother and you went to live with your father? Is that- Yeah, we were told to choose which parent we wanted to go to. And that's the problem for the rest of my life,

having to choose between my parents. Oof. Wow. And so if both of you had said mom, you both would have been with your mom, do you think? Probably. Wow, so it wasn't that they were splitting you guys up, it was you guys chose it. No, they thought they were doing us a kindness,

like, hey, we're cool with whatever you choose, we'll love you no matter what, choose a parent that you wanna live with. And my sister's like, I'm going with mom. And I was like, okay, well, I guess I'm going with dad, cool. Do you feel like you did that because you were feeling empathy for your father? Yes, totally.

Oh man, that's something. Yes, totally. It was just that's something. Yes, totally. It was just a weird part. It was a weird part of my life. And like, I was like, my mom felt like home. And so I was more inclined to go with my mom, but then I lived with my dad. And I mean, I don't regret it by any means,

but it was kind of a, it was a weird situation for a long time. Were you like sat down in a living room? Was it like, you had to decide? We were in my sister's room at the time. My mom called us into my sister's room and was like, hey, gotta talk to you guys. And yeah, I remember I was looking at my sister's bookcase

at the toys in her bookcase. I still remember that. And it was both parents came in to tell you? No, no, no, it was just my mom. Okay, okay, gotcha. Wow. My dad was living in like the saddest bachelor apartment of all time.

Like leather furniture, nothing hung on the walls, none of the lights were ever turned on. It was just like the bachelorest place ever. Also, I do want to just, sorry to jump in Posh, but your dad, his name was Tex. Yeah. So while you're picturing a guy in a leather couch with no pictures on the wall,

I do think it's fitting to know that he also answered to Tex. His Tex, but he is a born and raised rocket scientist. He helped design the Sidewinder missile. He is, if you look at the pictures of him from his college days, he was the nerdiest dude. He has Coke bottle glasses, pocket protector, slide rule, pens, pencils, graph paper,

like a genius guy, but his nickname is Tex. Which is, and why, when did people start calling him Tex? I think when he was growing up. I don't remember exactly how he got the nickname. If it was from my grandparents or from somebody else, but he's had it forever. Did he grow up in Texas? No, well, for a little bit, yeah.

He was born in Kansas, but then he was in Texas for a while. His dad was in the Air Force. Yeah, okay. My grandfather was in the Air Force, so he was a military brat moving all over the place. Yeah, because it seems like you only get the nickname Tex when you don't live in Texas, because it seems like redundant.

Yeah. It's like if you're a big meaty guy, they call you Slim. Yeah, yeah. It does feel like a name of that era. I could see a lot of military sort of people. Like Tex Avery, I mean, not military, but like, yeah, I don't know.

I do think there's every, you know, every movie that takes place in the army, there's that moment where someone comes in and just starts giving everybody a nickname based on either something they're wearing or where they're from. Yeah, totally. Like they're like, oh, you got a Bible,

we're calling you preacher. You know, just everybody gets the first choice nickname. So I could see like a military brat kid, if he was not in Texas, the fact that he'd been there once would be another text. Yeah, your text. Hey, we're gonna take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors.

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Always monitor traffic and weather conditions. Here we go. So as you and your sister sort of split apart to be with the different parents, would your sister come to visit you and your dad? Oh yeah, we would trade off. And conversely, would you go? Yeah, we would trade off from time to time,

but it was brutal. My parents weren't talking to each other. So literally, my mom would call me, hey, do you wanna spend Christmas with us? We're gonna do this. And I'd be like, hey dad, can I go spend Christmas with mom? And he'd be like, well, tell her that you need to be here on this date.

I'm like, mom, dad says I gotta do this. And then when they traded be here on this date. I'm like, mom, dad says I gotta do this. And then when they traded, there was this park. For a while we lived in Monterey, California and my mom lived in Southern California. And so to trade, we would meet at this park in Fresno and my parents would stand on either side of the park and my sister and I would walk towards each other

like we were exchanging hostages. Yeah, like a spy exchange. Like a bridge of spies. Yeah, bridge of spies like that. It really was like that. We'd walk across no man's land hoping that nobody started an argument and World War III broke out. Now, I'm fascinated by this thing.

Do you remember when you and your sister passed, would you pause and talk a little bit? I don't think so. I think we just like walked like... Maybe acknowledge each other a little bit. Like, hey, how's it going? You would shake hands and palm microfilm. Totally.

Yeah. Did you, so in that time, like, and again, it's a different era. Would you talk to your sister? I mean, again, you're at that point, are you what, eight and three when this starts? Yeah, we're pretty young. I mean.

And so were you talking on the phone at all? I mean, I can't imagine you would. No, not really. I mean, you know, there weren't phones like now with the ubiquitous and making a long distance call was a big deal and it was expensive and you had to make sure you were timing it right. My mom, I don't remember this,

my mom said I called her a lot and was like, like scared or homesick or whatever. And so that period for her was really hard. Oh, I can only imagine. Yeah. And it certainly probably didn't help by the fact that she could only speak to her former husband across a park.

Yeah. Yeah. I can also, speaking, Seth's got a couple kids, three kids that are eight, six, and three, and the eight-year-old and, well, none of them are great on the phone, I would say. So in terms of you communicating with your sister back then, I don't think either of you were probably crushing it.

I mean, even when I was 10 and she was five, like, what do you talk about at that point? So any cool toys? So when did you guys start living together again, you and your sister? I moved to San Diego to go to college. My mom was living in San Diego with my sister who was in high school and her new husband

who was in the Navy. And I moved into their house to start going to college in San Diego. So then we were in her house and I was in her house for way too long as a grown man, as an adult living in her house, starting the band, treating it like it was one of my skateboarding friends' houses. We played video games until three o'clock in the morning.

We played Street Fighter II. We would yell and scream all night long. And my mom would come out at like three and four o'clock in the morning, like, shut up. Your stepdad has to be on base. I was going to say, like, I mean, a Navy stepdad's nightmare has to be a skateboarder who comes home to start a band. Yeah, he was the most patient stepfather.

Was he? Yeah, he was super supportive, always loving, always down, never complained. And like, he stepped into a bad situation. My sister was handling the divorce terribly and used to throw the gnarliest tantrums in the middle of like Kmart, throw herself on the ground kicking and screaming.

Like my stepdad would have to pick her up and carry her out and she'd be like, you're not my dad, that's not my dad, you're not my dad. Oh no. But she's always been super cool, yeah. But he entered the picture pretty quickly then, after the divorce?

Yeah, after the divorce, yeah. He was right there, you know, my, and I have to say that my parents both found people who made them happy and they both have found lifelong partners. And it's better for everybody that they got divorced, but it was a tough, it was a tough few years. When on a family trip, did you ever,

were you old enough to ever think, I don't feel as though my parents are vibing with each other? No. All the family trips I remember were fun. We were camping, my parents were outdoorsy people. That's a real credit to them. Yeah, totally.

And then once the divorce started, all bets were off. Yeah. You know. Did you have regular sort of camping destinations or were you always picking new spots? Big Bear, we went up to Big Bear quite a bit. Growing up in Southern California, you know the Sierra Nevadas and places like that.

We used to hike around Lone Pine and Mount Whitney. And we lived in the middle of the desert. So anywhere that we could get that wasn't just dirt, we were very happy with. Yeah, have you done all the way to the top of Mount Whitney? No, but we've done close. And my stepmom has done it a bunch. Yeah, I've still never done it.

I live in LA and I drive up to Mammoth all the time and I sort of see that little, you know, Mount Whitney sort of jumping off point. It's so pretty. It's such an awesome place. Yeah. You have a son who's in his 20s, correct? Yes, he's 22. Did you grow, did you raise him the same way? Were you a camping family when he was a kid?

No, my wife, no. I went camping one time. I thought like, I'm gonna take my son and my father and we're gonna go to Big Bear and we're gonna camp. And it's gonna be this bonding, three generations of Hoppus men bonding, camping. And it sucked so bad that after one night we bailed and went back to LA. It sucked.

We rented a tent trailer, and I did all this stuff, and we set up the camp, and we roast barbeque, you know, we roast marshmallows, and it was so awful. What part? It just sucked. I hate camping. In the end, I hate camping. It sucks.

So I just want to clarify, nothing went wrong. It was just the core art of camping. In the end, I hate camping, it sucks. So I just wanna clarify, nothing went wrong. It was just the core art of camping was just not for you. Yeah, it's so much work just to go and sit by a fire then like, you know, sleep in the cold. And it was freezing cold at night. And my son was like, dad, it's so cold, can we go home? And I'm like, yeah, this sucks, let's get out of here. It is funny, you do wanna teach your kids

not to just give up on something, but if you also wanna give up, it's the best. Yeah, we bonded that way, we bonded over, you know what, we're not having fun, let's get out of here. I was, my three and a half year old, we ski with her. Now again, she takes like a 45 minute lesson and then she wants to go up on the chairlift with me and it's exhausting,

cause I basically am hunched over her cause all she wants to do is go as fast she can straight. And so it's just terrifying for me. Right. But she'll do it a hundred times. And the other day after the third one, she said, dad, it too cold. And I was like, it is too cold.

I agree with you. You're correct. You're correct. You are correct. Seth has, for the record, always been ready to quit skiing. As soon as someone says like, hey, should we go in? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm always a little bit cold. Can I say something?

Yeah. Two years ago, I decided I'm not going to snowboard anymore. I'm over it. And all my friends, like Tom, our guitarist, went snowboarding earlier this winter, took one fall, broke ribs. And everybody that I know that skis or snowboards is like, I don't know, I was just doing this turn,

I felt something in my knee pop. And I loved snowboarding, you know, I didn't grow up snowboarding, but snowboarding hit in like the early 90s and I was all in and we used to go snowboarding and all the time. And when I finally said, you know what? I'm not enjoying snowboarding anymore. I'm just tolerating it. I'm not going to do it anymore. It was the best feeling. It felt as good as canceling camping.

What a great out. I think it's, I mean, that's no small thing too, to get out without the reason being a terrible injury. Yeah. That is by, you're like a professional athlete who retired on the top. Yeah. That it's by, you're like a professional athlete who retired on the top, you know? Went out on top. The whole thing was like, I like playing bass and being on stage better than freezing my ass off in the cold, sliding down a mountain. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like I've had that, a similar feeling when like there are TV shows that you'll be watching and they clearly like, you're four seasons in and they're going to go for like four more seasons. And if you decide you don't like that show and you give yourself permission to quit, it feels great. I'm not gonna name the shows that I've done that to, but man, when you stop watching something that's just gonna keep pumping out episodes

and you're like, I don't have to watch it anymore. I feel liberated. It sounds like that's your vibe on snowboarding. Love to quit. Now, when you and your son pulled the ripcord on the camping trip, was your dad, was Tex disappointed? I think probably because he is a literal Eagle Scout. The dude went all the way through the Boy Scouts

growing up to the highest level you can possibly achieve. So he was really stoked about camping, but he's also a grown man. I think at some point the camping loses its luster when you're just going to the grocery store and getting ice and cold cut meats. And like day two, the ice is melted and you're pulling a bag of like sweaty meat out of it.

Cool, that sucks. Yeah. Yeah. You don't paint a great picture of it. No, but I do feel as though your dad might win America's nerdiest techs. I mean, literally every new piece of information about him. Yeah, he's awesome. I love my dad. He's rad.

He has an amazing past and he's rad. Did he want you to be a scout? Or were you... I did. I dabbled in scouts. I did Indian guides. I did Cubs scouts. I did Boy Scouts. Yeah. And then I kind of fell out.

Once we got to the... Once we got to, like, the... What are those race cars? The little... Pinewood Derby. Yeah, Pinewood Derby. I sucked at that. I sucked at that too. I was the first time I thought I was out. Yeah.

Also, I think when you suck at Pinewood Derby, what it really means is your dad sucks at Pinewood Derby. And to me, that was my dad running for a car across Boston Commons. I just like remember looking at him and being like, this, you thought this had a chance? I wasted hours watching you do this. Yeah, I wasn't in on the Pinewood Derby.

I think that my dad was probably like I was when we quit camping. He's like, you know what, if you want to want to do this, you don't have to do this? Yeah, I wasn't in on the Pinewood Derby. I think that my dad was probably like I was when we quit camping. He's like, you know what? If you wanna wanna do this, you don't have to do this anymore. Were you close with your grandparents growing up? Were they a part of your life? Totally, yeah.

My dad's parents took us camping quite a bit. They had an Airstream. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they had like a classic Airstream and they went camping all over the place and took us. And I remember their truck always smelled like cigarettes. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you like the smell of cigarettes when you were a kid? I feel like my memory of the smell of cigarettes is I didn't know you couldn't not have it. So I just kind of like, just it was another smell. And it wasn't until it went away that you were like, oh, that was a horrible smell. Yeah, exactly. I think the seventies smelled like cigarettes

and alcohol everywhere you went. Yeah. And my grandparents, everything smelled like cigarettes in their house and in their cars and they smoked incessantly. Yeah, I almost feel like you gotta go to like, I don't know, like an Eastern European airport lounge now to be like, ah, the seventies.

I remember this smell. It's so striking now when you smell cigarette smoke anywhere, it's like, whoa, people are smoking cigarettes. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. Were your grandparents nearby? Yeah, they lived like two hours away from where I grew up. They lived in Riverside, California.

We lived in the middle of the desert. So it took about two hours to get there. And both of my grandparents, like my dad's parents and my mom's mom, because my dad's, my mom's dad passed away before I was born. So both my grandparents lived in Riverside and they were always super cool. That's great.

And it seems like everyone, is it safe to say that everyone was kind of supportive of this path you chose for yourself? Yeah, I mean, yes, everyone was super supportive. My mom so much that at one point I had to make a decision because Blink was starting to kind of catch on. I was going to college, we were starting to play shows. We were getting invited to play more and more shows

further and further away. And I was sucking at college, missing classes. And I had to choose and I went to my mom, I said, hey, the band can tour or I can finish college. I need advice. And she said, you can finish college anytime. There are people in their forties that go back to college. You only get one chance to be in a band.

Go be in a band. So, yeah. So did you ever go back? Have you ever finished that degree? No, I keep hoping. I honestly could be, because I really want a degree. I keep hoping that somebody will offer me an honorary degree if I like speak to someone or something.

I think the fact that you wrote a book is now, now that you're a man of letters, you know. Totally, I should be able to. Yeah, I went to Cal State San Marcos to get an English degree, so maybe they'll give me one now. Yeah, you need to have at least one book plus a giant band. Yeah.

You can't just have one. I just don't want people to get their hopes up if they've written the one book. The giant band is also a key part of the equation. Totally, yeah. When in your early, I know it's not a family trip, but early Blink 182 touring, what is the vehicle you're in? Describe it. It is, so we had visions of getting this amazing touring van

because all of our friends' bands had dope tour vans. We wanted to go and get like this big giant, you know, Ford Econoline, 15 passenger, all black everything, black interior, black paint, extra room in the back to store all of our gear. We were gonna roll everywhere, but we went to the dealership on the day before we were supposed to start a tour

and all they had was this white sport van that was shorter and it was a little more raised and it wasn't 15 passenger, it was like 11 passenger, but we could drive it off that day. So we were just like, all right, sold. And so we toured that thing into the dirt. Like that thing was trash by the time we were done with it. It was awesome, loved it.

I love that such band thinking of all this time spent imagining the van you want and then going to the dealership the day before the tour. Yeah, totally, that's just how we were. We're like, okay, we got a tour, we got a string of shows. It was probably like five or six shows. It wasn't, at that point we were not a touring act, national touring act.

We had a handful of shows. We're like, we should get a van for this. Yeah. Did you, those early, when you were doing five or six shows, were there early tour just within California pretty much? Yeah, we caught on and we started in San Diego and then we started to catch on in LA and then we go to San Francisco and then Phoenix

and then Fresno and then, so we were kind of like in the Southern California Southwest touring circuit. And then once we got to Fresno, and then, so we were kind of like in the Southern California Southwest touring circuit. And then once we got to go on our first tour, which went all the way along the South, through Texas to Florida, up to New Jersey and all that, we thought we were the coolest dudes. Yeah.

Like we even had cases for some of our guitars. Woo! Yeah. They always say that's the sign. A van full of loose guitars is a sign that a band hasn't quite taken off yet. That was us, for sure. I assume that, you know, at some point

you probably had the huge classic tour bus with all the bells and whistles. The first time you were in one of those that was yours, I mean, you must've just been over the moon. Oh yeah, getting an actual tour bus was a level up that we had no idea what we were gonna do with. Like not having to drive ourselves, being able to sleep in your own bunk.

Like that's the first time you had any privacy anywhere on tour. When you're touring in a van, you are stuck with dudes 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You're in the van together, you're in a hotel room, you're splitting hotel rooms. Sometimes we'd be like two or three in a bed at hotels. So when you get a tour bus

and you can actually have your own space and close the curtain, it's pretty cool. That, I mean, it speaks to how on top of each other you are, that that tiny little bunk with a curtain is like, ah, sweet privacy. Yeah, you're basically in a rolling coffin. Were you, was it, in the early days, was it split evenly amongst the drivers

or did you have someone that carried more of the load? It was split evenly amongst the drivers, and I remember very vividly every night after the shows, driving between cities and sometimes the drives, like the drive between Salt Lake City and Denver is brutal. It's 12 hours long. You get in the car or get in the van, you start driving. And I like to do the first shift.

So, load up the van after the show, start driving, maybe drive for two or three hours. It's two or three in the morning, pull into a gas station and everybody acts like they're dead asleep. And I'm like, okay, whose turn is it? And everybody acts like they're asleep. All right, who's gonna drive next? Everybody acts like they're dead asleep. And I'm like, okay, whose turn is it? And everybody acts like they're asleep. All right, who's gonna drive next? Everybody acts like they're asleep.

And then it's my turn. And when it's flipped, I'm just laying there like, not me, please don't choose me, please, it's not me. So yeah. I remember a couple of those drives where that thing of having to pull over and say, when it was definitely my shift, having to pull over and say, I am so sorry, we are going to die if I die.

Yeah. Like I don't, I'm not trying to shirk my responsibilities. This is fully, I have turned up the music as loud as I can. I've drank as much soda as I can and nothing is working. Yep, I know that feeling well. Aside from camping trips when you were much younger, like if you were going to visit your mom, if there was like a Christmas or things,

would you ever take trips with like you and your sister and your mom or you and your sister and your dad? Yeah, we traveled quite a bit. I remember when I was living with my mom and my stepdad and my sister, we took a train trip up to Seattle and then into Canada. Uh-huh. We took a train because we thought that would be cool.

And let me tell you, that was not rad. The train ride from San Diego to Seattle, Washington, it gets old. Yeah. You know, we're gonna ask you later about favorite forms of transportation. A lot of people say train, and I totally get the allure of train,

but some of those trips are pretty repetitive. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a sleeper car? Were you... We did. We had a sleeper car, whatever was a sleeper car. I mean we couldn't afford anything great, but you're right on top of one another and it's loud and it never stops clanking and the romance of train travel, especially overnight, it's not like an Alfred Hitchcock film from the fifties at all. It is like, you know, looking at the subway in New York in the seventies or something.

It felt like. Yes. Also, you know, the Hitchcock thing, you realize they probably weren't shooting it in an actual train. They would have built it big enough to like have scenes in it. Totally. We, my wife and I once, we were in Amsterdam shooting it in an actual train. They built it big enough to have scenes in it.

Totally. And we, my wife and I once, we were in Amsterdam in November and we were gonna take an overnight train to Zurich and I thought, oh my God, Europe, a train, it'll be so beautiful. And of course the sun goes down so early. We literally got on pitch black. Pitch black for 12 hours, got out.

There was still like three hours before you could even see Zurich and I all right, I have planned this terribly. And yeah. Overnight travel when it's all dark is probably not the best. Not the best, no. Hey, we're gonna take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors.

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Was that part of his upbringing? Yeah. Totally. Yeah, he came out on tour. He was like six months old when he came out on his first tour and toured with us until he started school. And then once he started school, he didn't want to tour anymore. He was always like, I don't want to leave school.

I want to be with my friends. So then my wife stayed home with him, but we took so many trips with Jack when he was young. We took him to Antarctica when he was six years old. He was the youngest person who had ever been on the boat. And people thought we were crazy to bring our six year old on this boat across the Drake Passage in 40 foot seas to go see Antarctica.

Wow. Whoa. How many, so when you take that boat, first of all, who wanted to do this more? Me. You or your wife? Okay. Me. Great. Did your wife also want to do it a little

or is she just like, if you want this, I will do this for you? Both. She was intrigued by it. I don't think she would have chosen to do it on her own, but she was open to the idea and we are so glad we went. It is one of the best vacations we've ever taken. Our son doesn't remember any of it at all,

but we have some rad pictures. Yeah. So talk me, talk us through the entirety of how you make this trip. Like you fly where? We flew to Buenos Aires, where we stayed the night. And then the next day we got on a charter arranged by the boat company to fly to Ushuaia on the very southern tip of Chile where we got on a boat and then we took a three day

passage across the Drake Passage in 40 foot seas with 70 mile an hour winds. And the crew was like, you guys are so lucky. This is the nicest crossing we've ever had. We'd never get this lucky. So what does 40 foot seas look like? Is it just like giant swells? It's giant swells and winds swept. And occasionally like you see some random bird

and you're like, what the hell are you doing out here, bird? Like it's 40 foot seas, where are you going? What are you looking for out here? It has to be heartening to see a bird though, to be like, well, you must be going somewhere. Like you are a bird. Yeah, you'd hope so. How many-

That bird is just so screwed. How many people are on the passage? How many people does that boat fit? I think it was like 200 people because there's laws in Antarctica that you can only put a certain number of people ashore at a time to preserve the environment there. And so the ship we had had, I think 200 people

and we went in shifts. To walk out. So it's like three days and that passage is what are you doing on those three days? Cause I'm assuming this is not like one of your luxury cruise ships. That's it's not there. I mean, it was a great ship and we,

it was definitely nicer than a lot of boats that go over there. But for three days, I was reading a book about Magellan. Yeah, that's a good time to do it. And kids love that kind of stuff. And I was playing video games with my son and we watched movies, they had movies. And this was before like streaming and stuff. Did you go up on the deck or was it freezing?

Okay, you went. It was freezing. You could go out on the deck, but it was freezing and windy and you'd be foolish to do that. But they had like lectures and you could learn about the nature and they'd have stuff about the geology and they'd have a lecture about the plants

and they'd have a lecture about the wildlife there. Unbelievable. And then you get there and when you do one of your shifts on land, talk us through what that feels like. We went to like research stations. We went on Zodiacs and cruised around icebergs. We walked amongst penguins.

We saw such amazing life and vistas and landscapes that just blew my mind. It was awesome. You mentioned that he doesn't have any memory of it, but did your son Jack have fun as a six-year-old? Yeah, he had a great time. It was really fun. It was a great time as a family.

No one could get ahold of us at all. So it was just, whatever it was, 11 days of calm in 40-foot seas, just chilling in the 40-foot seas in 70-mile an hour winds. But it was great, loved it. How was the sleeping? Sleeping was cool. There was only a couple of times,

like the boat had stabilizers on it, but there were a few times that we'd be at meals and all the plates and everything would slide to one side. They had like a little cage around, like a little two inch rim around all the tables so that when it did that, the place wouldn't fall onto the floor, just all the food would fly off into somebody's lap.

Yeah. God, I love a little cage, little food cage. My kids on perfectly flat surfaces could use a little food cage. I might have one installed. Wow, what a trip. I mean, that sounds like you're pretty adventurous then. Have you done other trips that sort of would cause

people's jaws to drop? I got really into scuba diving around the same time. We were on vacation in Hawaii and I was by the pool and one of the scuba instructors was walking around like, anybody wanna learn scuba today? And I was like, I'll do it. And I liked it so much that I ended up doing 200 dives in the first year.

Oh my God. Wow. Like I went everywhere. I went to Fiji, I went to Turks and Caicos. I dove all around Southern California, you know, from Santa Barbara all the way down to into Mexico. We did, we went everywhere, dove everything, wrecks and lots of cool stuff.

Sharks? You do some shark stuff? Oh yeah, lots of sharks. Did your wife join in this passion? No, she really does not. She's gone diving with me, I think, twice in tropical locations, but she detests the water. She almost drowned.

She was taken out by a riptide when she was swimming with her dad one time, when she was a kid, and she just has a lifelong fear of water. She doesn't like to get in our pool. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it does sound like you were like, I'm gonna come up with something that like 198

out of the 200 times I'm gonna be on my own. Totally, yeah. And my family was actually talking about that the other day, we were talking about scuba diving or something, and she was like, remember dad was really into scuba diving? And our son was like, yeah, he was always gone. And I was like, remember, dad was really into scuba diving. And our son was like, yeah, he was always gone. And I was like, ah, that sucks.

Yeah. I like that you thought he'd be like, he's communing with the fish. I know, but looking back on it now, I'm like, not only was I gone on tour all the time, but then I come home and I'm like, peace, I'm going scuba diving, serious and fierce. Daddy has a new hobby that doesn't take place here.

I've done a little bit of scuba diving and I always find, I'm sure you've sort of seen these things but when you like go over a cliff, like an underwater cliff or a shelf or whatever it's called, do you get that fear that I get when you go over and all of a sudden it just drops? Yeah, it's breathtaking when that happens and you see like, you go to those edges and you look over and it just sinks.

I dove the oil rig, I took a class in technical diving and I dove the oil rigs off of Long Beach. And it just goes off into forever. Like you don't see the bottom ever. Yeah, it's such a strange thing to have a fear of heights underwater, but it's a real thing. And when you dive an oil rig,

are you just sort of swimming around, is it around the oil rig itself? Yeah, you're just like trying to stay close to the pylons so you have spatial awareness of where you are. And for that one, it was really about managing oxygen and different gases and things like that. I was taking a course at the time and I was getting certified for technical diving.

So it was a lot of, it wasn't really about what you're looking at, it was about managing your air and your decompression and making sure you were within safe boundaries and all that kind of stuff. You know what are some buzzwords for me that don't signal chill relaxing hobby is managing oxygen. Yeah. I know.

Look, I've got scuba dived a couple of times, not for me, but like it's immediately not for me. Anything where the first thing is people being like, so we're going to teach you what to do to not have your head explode. Yeah. I don't want to do this. I'm good, man. Yeah.

And I got into the really technical side of it and I almost got into like rebreathers and really deep stuff. And there's a really great wreck called the Andrea Doria that's legendary ocean liner that sank and people dove it and it's known for being very, very dangerous. And one of the people that I came up scuba diving with dove it and passed away while they were diving on that. Oh my God. And so I, and at that point I was like,

I don't think I really want to get into this like deep technical, like, I just want to see some cool fish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good. Did you ever take your son? Has he done it? Yeah, he's gone.

We, when we, we actually lived in London for a few years. And from there, it's very easy to fly down to the Maldives. It's almost the same time zone. And the Maldives just has the best diving in the world. Yeah, I was really worried you were gonna be like, we're in London, some of the best scuba diving. Yeah. The Thames, you have not scuba dived.

Yeah. That's fantastic. Did your son, how did he, how many years were you in London and did he like it? He loved it. We went there, my wife and I were like, oh, my son was entering fourth grade. We're like, let's move to London for a year.

We love it there. It's a cool adventure. Our son's not really, you know, so beholden to a school like he was changing school, whatever. So we went to London. We were gonna stay for one year. We stayed for three years because we loved it so much. And talk about a place to vacation from.

My wife would on a Thursday night say, hey, let's go to Rome for the weekend. And we go, cool. So we'd book flights for the next afternoon. Friday afternoon, we'd pick our son up from school, go to the airport, be having dinner in Rome. Yeah. For the weekend.

Like you go to San Francisco for the weekend. Like you go to Vegas for the weekend. Well, you know, living out of London, we went to Paris, we went to Germany. And it's weird. I feel like, you know, again, right? I live in New York. I could go, I could be in Philly tonight or DC tonight.

But there's something about, I'm gonna go to a different country that just makes it so exciting and cool. Yeah, it was great. And we took our son to museums and we went to Italy and we went to Florence and we saw, works of art and architecture and cool stuff. So it was interesting.

Does he remember any of that stuff? Yeah. Or is he, yeah, is he still like, no, I don't remember. I'm gonna have to ask him about that. Yeah. Because if I wasted all this money on him, I know it's really.

Like, okay, you remember me being gone scuba diving, but you don't remember like seeing Caravaggio's shield with Medusa painted on it? Like that's cool. He's like, no, I just remember you being gone. Yeah, I just remember the disappointment. A lot of different reasons. It was like touring and scuba diving, a lot of stuff.

Yeah. Did you, when you tour, do you feel like you, you know what, again, you've been at this a long time. Have you gotten good at like actually experiencing a city when you're doing a show there? No. Or is it, yeah. No, never. Is every single time we go out on tour,

I'm like, I bring cameras and camera equipment and recording equipment. And I'm like, I am gonna go and make art on tour. I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna see these cities. I'm gonna take photos of everything. I'm gonna take my recording equipment. And if I'm at the hotel, I'm gonna be writing new music and I'm gonna write the great American blah, blah, blah.

And I never do any of it. I sit in the hotel room and look at my phone because I'm so tired from the night before. Yeah, blah. And I never do any of it. I sit in the hotel room and look at my phone because I'm so tired from the night before. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, we're traveling so much that we don't get a lot of chance to be tourists in a city. Yeah. I also think you must have, you know,

I think an appreciation for the fact that you're about to be everybody's night out. And part of the trade-off is you rest up during the day to make sure that you execute on that. Totally. But my wife comes on tour with me now and she always wants like on a day off, she wants to go do cool stuff, go see a city,

go out to a nice restaurant, go to a cool store, go do this. And I'm like, I just want to sit by the pool and have people bring me things to eat and drink. Yeah, right. I get it. I'm kind of that way too. Also, I always just want to fiddle with stuff when I'm out doing stand-up and so my wife will say like let's go do

This I'm like, I actually just kind of want to Write this I feel like this bit. She's like, uh What uh What was I gonna ask you how did writing the book was it did you find it came easy It seems like you have a good memory for things. Or was it an arduous process? It was both. It was both very difficult because the hardest thing about writing the book was thinking that anyone would care in the first place

because I'm just a dude that got lucky and played in a band, and I've gotten to see some cool things, and I feel blessed in that way. But I love my band so much, and I love Blink, and I love Tom and Travis so much that I wanted to tell the story of Blink-182. And then I started, you know, writing about how I got to be in the band. And so I was writing about my childhood

and things like that. I had a great co-writer who was almost like a bandmate. Like I would write a whole bunch of stuff and he would come in and say, this is cool. People don't care about this or whatever. Or I would tell him stories and he would write down my words. And I would be like, I don't like the way that I speak written down.

I like the way that I write written down. So I'd go back and rewrite everything, but it was fun. I'm glad that I did it. I think it helped me a lot because I tried very hard in the book to make things even handed. And when I was writing about like banned arguments or like being angry at this person, I would try and write it also from their point of view. So it made me think about old arguments

from the other person, specifically arguments with Tom about what's gonna happen. He's quitting the band or whatever. And I'm like, well, why was he like that back then? And so I think that helped me a lot with the old grudges and animosities, too. Did I have Travis and Tom,

did they see the book through the process? Did you wait till it was done? And what was their bounce the first time they read it? I don't think that they've read it yet. They've been supportive, incredibly supportive the whole time. I literally just got the first copy of my book three days ago and I said,

I got my first copy in my hands and I called up my management and I'm like, we gotta get a copy to Tom and Travis immediately. And they can read it if they want and they can ignore it if they want, but they've been nothing but super supportive and I want them to have it. The only thing they can't do is make changes.

They can't make any changes. At this point, they can't say, hey, I don't want that. April 8th, 2025, I really compliment the title Fahrenheit 182. Did that come early or late? Cause it's really kind of great. Thank you. That was my first idea for it. And I was... And I love my editor so much at Day Street.

She is great. I said I wanted... Everybody else is like, you have to name it, you know, what's my age again? Or this is growing up. Or all the small things. Or like some kind of that, you know. And I went to my publisher and I said, I really want to call it Fahrenheit 182. And she's like, I love it. That's it. growing up or all the small things or what, like some kind of that, you know.

And I went to my publisher and I said, I really want to call it Fahrenheit 182. And she's like, I love it. That's it. And then for the back cover of the book, I was like, I don't want to, I don't want a bunch of blurbs on the back cover. I don't want to have to go to my friends and beg them to read the book and say something kind.

She's like, blurbs suck. We're not putting blurbs on your book at all. It's like, holy hell, this is a dream come true. I love my editor. I mean, I've blur is a dream come true. I love my editor. I mean, I've blurbed a lot of books, and I love your editor too. Yeah. I've done a lot of blurbing over the years.

And I'll tell you the worst thing that can happen is when you blurb a book and then the book comes out and you're not on the back cover. They bury your blurb, but I'm like, tonight, Matt, this wasn't a... I kind of thought I'd be on the cover. It was mediocre blurb, Sue. Yeah. Cutting room floor for your blurb. I I'm like, did I not? This wasn't a, I kind of thought I'd be on the cover. It was mediocre blurbs, Sue. Cutting room floor for your blurb.

I mailed in my blurbs. Congrats on the book. It is so lovely to talk to you and Likewise. tell your stories, but before we let you go, Josh has some questions. Okay, go for it. Okay.

You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? For me personally, educational. What is your favorite means of transportation? My favorite means of transportation is when they pick you up from the airport in the suburban. Nice.

If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? Take a vacation with any family ever. I would love to go, like do the Oregon Trail. Okay. With who do you think?

Go with whoever was out there doing it for the first time. Not the Donner Party. Let's see. Donner Party. Yeah. I don't know, any of like the original, my mom has like a pioneer spirit and she's always had this pioneer woman energy about her

and been fascinated by it. So I don't know. Maybe Lewis and Clark. Lewis and Clark on the Oregon's realm. Yeah, let's go Lewis and Clark. That'd be awesome. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be?

My wife. Good answer. You're from Ridgecrest, is that correct? I am from Ridgecrest, yes. All right. Would you recommend Ridgecrest as a vacation destination? Absolutely not. It is in the middle of the desert.

The only reason that the city is there at all is because the Navy has a military base in the middle of the desert where they test their ordnance and their missiles and their airplanes. That's a very funny line. The only reason it's there is because there's nothing there. It's so funny to be like, bad news is at dinner,

good news is where the Navy tests their missiles. But it's called, the base there was called China Lake. Okay. But there's no lake within a hundred miles. The nearest lake is like Lake Isabella. That's some real estate agent shit. Yeah, it's called China Lake. And when people showed up, they were like, they got stationed in China Lake.

They're like, where's the lake? Like there was a lake here in prehistoric times, but now it's long gone. Seems deeply unfair to still call it China Lake. Yeah, I've driven sort of past the exit to Ridgecrest a lot. And I, up at Mammoth, I was told that like, Ridgecrest is where like the, there's an American manufacturer of monoskis

where you just click two skis into one thing. And it's like, Ridgecrest is apparently the home for it. I assumed that it wasn't a straight up desert out there, but now I'm fascinated. No, it is an entire desert. It is straight up Mojave Desert. Gotcha. Well, Seth has our final questions here.

All right, Mark, have you been to the Grand Canyon? Yes. Was it worth it? Yes. Great, did you bring your whole family? Oh, I haven't gone as an adult. I went as a child. So I kind of got driven there.

Yeah, it was cool. Pre-divorce or post-divorce? Pre-divorce. Airstream or not airstream? I think this was probably on the trip that the camper got stolen. Oh, gotcha. So it was sort of a farewell to the camper trip.

Yeah. I'm glad. You know what? I'm happy the camper saw the Grand Canyon before it ended up getting sold, stripped down for parts in New England. Totally. What a delight to talk to you, Mark. Congrats on the book.

Likewise. This has just been wonderful. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much. Be well, my friend. Appreciate it. Bye. Got out to see what was going on Truck stolen from the common Ran after it but it was gone, baby gone

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