Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - PAMELA ADLON Was a Scrappy NYC Kid

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

Pamela Adlon joins Seth and Josh on the pod this week! She talks all about living at the Carnegie house growing up and what it was like to have her dad in the business, how she feels about her own kids moving out, and more! Plus, she ignores ominous omens during the recording! Sponsors:NissanThanks again to Nissan for supporting Family Trips, and for the reminder to chase bigger, better, more exciting adventures. And enjoy the ride along the way. Learn more at nissanusa.com Cuts ClothingRefine your style with @cutsclothing and get 20% off with code ISLAND at cutsclothing.com #cutspartner ClaritinGo to Claritin.com right now for a discount so you can Live Claritin Clear. Use as directed.

This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by the 2024 Nissan Pathfinder with seven drive modes. The Pathfinder is built for even the most epic journeys. Learn more at NissanUSA.com. Hey, Pashi. Hey, Sufi. Life moves fast, Pashi. Yeah, it sure does. Moves so fast, you know what we totally missed? What's that?

We did our 50th episode of Family Trips. That's nuts. It's nuts. Yeah. You know what's also nuts? Huh? Is how mom and dad want to celebrate. How's that?

They want to do an episode. They're keeping a list of everything we say about them. Oh, yeah. Dad wants to do a rebuttal episode. He wants to do a rebuttal episode. This is what we're doing. Here we are doing a podcast. Basically, we're doing this podcast for them, right?

They're the perfect audience for it. And what do we get in return? They want to do a rebuttal episode. Well, I'm home right now. And yeah, dad was saying he wanted to do this rebuttal episode. And I said, have you been taking notes? And he's like, no, but I'm going to have to go back through and just listen to the intros. And I'm like, we've done 50 episodes. And he's like, well, when we listen, we're like

on road trips, like we're driving a fair distance. And so I'm driving, so I can't take notes. And I was like, well, tell mom who's sitting next to you to write something down. Doing a crossword puzzle. Literally pen in her hand. Pen in hand. Just take a little note. But I'm very curious to know all the things that they're going to rebut. Do you know who's going to sponsor that episode?

Who's that? Sour Grapes. That episode of Family Trips will be sponsored by Sour Grapes. I'm home, and we were driving through town the other day, and Dad's like, there's this pond coming up, this beautiful pond on the left. You'll see it. I'm like, okay.

And he's like, and there's all these signs, all these like real estate signs, but there's no houses. And so I don't know if they're going to like build houses in there or what. And then our neighbor Franz was also in the car and he's like, well, yeah, all these, all these signs. And we drive by them and mom's like, yeah, I guess it looks like they might, maybe they're going to build houses. And I was like, you detectives. You figured this out. They have, like, and it's, like, it's just woods. And they're like, what's going on here?

There's, like, all these realty signs, these half driveways just sort of carved into the woods. And it's like, yeah, of course they're building houses. Oh, that's so good. They're detectives. Yeah. Dad also, he'll want to rebut this, but he can't rebut this. By the way, the rebuttal episode might be our longest ever. We were watching a movie last night, talking about a detective.

And there's a twist. There's a twist in the movie. Okay. Three seconds before the twist, he says what it is. He there's a twist. There's a twist in the movie. Okay. Three seconds before the twist, he says what it is. He's still doing this. I can't believe he's still doing it. Whoever made this movie is like, you're going to pull the rug out

three seconds before. You win nothing. You rob the moment of its effect. Now, here's the thing. Sometimes he won't ruin the twist, but Poshy, I'll allow you to do the impression. The twist happens, and then Dad says what real loud? I

knew it. The best I knew it wasn't from Dad. I hope I haven't said this on the podcast. The best I knew it was that movie Call Me By Your Name. I was watching it with Alexi's family. I don't know if you've told it or not. Anyways, the dudes make out and my brother-in-law yells, I knew it.

And I was like, what did you think this movie was about? What in the world? It was the best I knew it of all time. Dad's I knew it are always, he just wants credit for having been one ahead. Yeah. Yeah. He is a detective. He is.

He's a little bit of a detective. The amount of conversation about what day it is and what like, there's one day you take like the trash out because the trash guys are going to come and then there's another day that's recycling And then there's another day that's recycling. And then there's another day that's like it's paper. And then there's cans and bottles.

And the conversations that go on among our parents and the neighbors, it's no one just has it written down. Here, I'm going to do an impression of dad asking you a question. Yeah. What day is it? Monday. I knew it. He did. He did.

He did the other day. When I was flying home, he's like, I'll see you tomorrow night. But it was two days away from when I was flying. And I was like, I come on Friday. And then he texted back and said, I know you come on Friday. I was like, okay. Right. Well, why on Wednesday did you say I'll see you tomorrow night?

Now, you mentioned him. And I feel like we haven't talked about Franz enough on our podcast. We've been lucky enough to have the same neighbor almost our entire life. Franz and Linda, a wonderful couple that live across the street from us. And Franz, you know, you've been home more recently than me. Franz is the closest thing in my life I've ever had to a Kramer. Yes, he is the wacky neighbor. But he has to walk across a cul-de-sac. He's not across the hallway.

Right, but when he arrives, he comes right in. He opens our door, front door, and he is the most lovely man. The only thing that surpasses his loveliness is his volume which is yeah it's yeah it's it's can be piercing he has the accent of a man named franz give me a little give me uh what he says when he opens the door hey what are you doing is anybody naked he does ask he opens the front door of our home and loudly asks if anyone's naked yeah but he only in case you're worried

that gets old he's only done it every time he says nanu nanu all the time yep and I was saying

we had lunch with him yesterday and when they gave him they boxed up the rest of his the half of his sandwich he didn't eat and they wrote on it

nanu nanu and I feel like Franz has made more unintentional references to Mork and Mindy than anyone in the history of the world. I think probably an excellent chance he's never seen the show. Yeah. Like, he got his Mork and Mindy catchphrases secondhand. Still using Nanu Nanu. Yeah, he's not developed a new catchphrase

in the past 40 years. But yeah, I was home, we played golf with him. He always has a little flask with him. And he also, one of his other phrases is, good shot, take a shot, bad shot, take a shot. There you go, that's a good one. Yeah. And I had two shots on a nine-hole round yesterday,

and then we go to lunch, and I got water, and he was sort of like, what? He was like, well, I have a martini or something. And it was the afternoon. I was like, I'm going to go home and fall right asleep. Yeah. By the way, if anybody from our parents' club is listening and this is violation of club rules, it's a different Franz.

It's not the one you're thinking. That's not his club. He gets, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Now, you are home, and I came to Boston. I did stand-up in Boston. Yeah. And you came up with mom and dad because you were home.

And we got, you guys showed up. We went and had lunch. And then there was time between lunch and the show. I was so tired. I'd done two shows. You sounded like you needed to not be talking. And we went and I said, what do you guys, what is your plan on what to do? And mom and dad were like, we thought we'd just come hang out in your hotel room

and play cards right up until your show. And I immediately was like, I really need a nap. Everybody was totally cool with it. I'm not busting. But then you guys came over, and I feel like you didn't stay that long because I went to bed, and I did not hear you. Yeah, we went down into the lobby and we had a card game we played

we played crew well it was appreciated and then you came to the show show was great had a little bit of material about you first time you'd heard it I don't want to go into what it is but it was a little bit of material about you

yeah but it took some good digs at me, which I appreciate. I got no beef with. No beef with? Yeah. All right. I mean, I had a good feeling, but I had some trepidation. Gave you a heads up. Yeah.

I think you got to let that stuff. If anyone's like, hey, you went at me pretty hard. I don't know. I think you got to recognize that someone's being a comedian. You might, you know, dial some things up a little bit. You might embellish to a degree. Seed of truth and everything. But, yeah, it was really fun.

And then you guys had to, you came to a seven o'clock show and then you drove back to New Hampshire, the hour drive, which I really remember from our youth is, you know, we would maybe go see a Red Sox game and have to drive back to New Hampshire. And it's, you know, it's an hour,

but at nighttime that could be, I didn't feel like a fairly long drive. Did you drive or did dad? Dad drove. Yeah. It's so funny even in this day and age, we've never taken the wheel of dad's car. Yeah. Well, also when you do, like we're both taller than dad, right? Yeah. Yeah. The seat in his car, I've driven his car when he's, you know, not there. It's so far back. It's so far back. And it's, I just don not there. It's so far back. It's so far back. And I just don't know how he reaches the steering wheel.

It's like he's like, it must be like a low rider for him. But yeah, I always have to move the seat forward. And I don't know how he does it because you look at him driving and he's not like hunched forward like, you know, with his chin over the wheel. He's laid back when he's driving. He's got his thing, you know, his chin over the wheel he's he's laid back when he's driving he's got his thing you know

he's good to go yeah well it was very nice I'm glad we got to all see each other it had been too long and very excited about

this rebuttal podcast I think yeah as our listeners are as well and yeah we have a

we have a wonderful conversation with a very funny woman, Pamela Adlon. Mother of three. Mother of three girls. Mm-hmm. And I was delighted by this conversation. Yeah, as was I. But first, why don't you guys listen to a little Jeff Tweedy.

Family trips with the Myers brothers family trips with the Myers brothers here we go hi hello hey how are you? so happy to see you.

Do you remember me? Do I remember you? I never think anybody... Of course I remember you. Do you remember the last time I did your show? 2016? Is that right? It was right before all the shit went down.

It was the primaries. Oh. And I looked at you and I was like, and John Prine was on as well. Ah. I'm wearing a John Prine t-shirt right now. Oh, fuck! Yeah.

We love John Prine. Look at your adorable brother. Like, who do we know? Why do you gatekeep him? That's so rude. He's out now. We let him out. Yeah.

Okay, good. I'm here. I'm here, Pam. He was a real break glass in case of the world going sideways. And once it did, we were like, let Josh out. Let Josh out to delight the masses in these dark times. Oh, my God. Wow.

It is. Yeah, so of course it was. I mean, if it was 2016, right? No, it was 2020. Wasn't it? Oh, no, I think it was 16 because it was the primaries before. I thought it was right before covid that i did you how many times you've been on twice okay so maybe it was maybe i'm only i don't fucking know all right i'm

confusing you with jimmy fallon doesn't everybody do that how dare you i know i know but i remember looking at you and going okay i guess yeah i'll see you on the other side and here we are and thank you Josh yeah now I'm very excited to talk to you Pamela because you are something that I am raising something that I am not but something I'm raising which is New York City kids you were a New York City kid yes I'm so I we are suburban boys the Myers brothers are just very quiet suburban boys. And it is so fascinating to watch my children grow up in New York City. So what was it like?

Did you love it? Well, so I was born at Doctors Hospital, which was near Gracie Mansion. It's not there anymore. It does sound, it's the funniest name of a hospital, doctor's hospital. They let the kids name it. It was that or plumber's hospital, but yeah. What do you want to call this? Um, but yeah. And I lived on the Upper East side, uh, and I lived on the Upper East Side until I was like six. But then we moved to Scarsdale, to Edgemont. Gotcha. And then we moved to L.A. And then I moved back to New York City for high school.

And I went to PCS Professional Children's School, named also by children. Oh, I went to teacher's school. Oh my God, that's so funny. So you moved back for high school and then the whole, all of high school was in Manhattan? So I went to 13 different schools. Did you really?

Yeah, my dad was a writer, producer. And so he would get a job and there was a time that every six months, he was moving us across the country, back and forth. He was like an OG TV writer producer. Did you dread those moves? Or did you get so used to them that you expected they were always coming? You know, I feel like they probably saved me from getting into trouble. You know, I didn't fall in with the wrong crowd. I didn't like get exposed to too many things because all of a sudden we were gone. So I know I would have probably had sex when I was nine or, you know, hitting the crack pipe, you know,

but, oh, I'm leaving town just before the trouble could start. Just before you're about to close the deal sexually, they get you on a plane. Or crackually. And so, but it was always, it was New York and LA, right? That's the assumption? That's right. Okay.

That's right. Did you have a preference as a kid? That's right. That's right. Did you have a preference as a kid? I kind of got into a phase where I wasn't happy. I wanted to be back in New York. I had a whole idea that that's where I should belong.

And so I didn't really plant roots in LA. And then finally, I was like, what are you doing? You know, I mean, that lasted me until I was an adult. And I was like, I'm, I'm making a living, I'm having a good life here. And then eventually raising three girls and doing that whole thing. So I just stopped thinking that there was something more. And it's kind of the way, you know, I think about life now at my tender age, because it's like, you can fantasize about living anywhere in the world. And we're lucky enough to be able to do that. But, you know, if you move to like Fiji or whatever people's idea of the best place to be, where are your friends? Where are your people? Where's your heart? You know, so I choose to be good where I am. That's great. Now, your girls, did they all, were they all East Coast or all West Coast? No, they're all L.A. kids.

And so they grew up in L.A.? Yeah. And did they stick around? Are they still there? Because they are older. One is still home. Okay, great. One is still home.

And it's fucking weird. still home and it's it's fucking weird when when my first one was moving out the second one the middle um and remember single mom so this was all like no zone defense at all and the first one you know made the announcement the second one right away because the competition, Oh, this is relevant to the pod. Of course. Yeah. Well, let's keep going down this road. Yes.

So, um, it's so funny because my, my brother is almost three years older than me. And, um, when he moved out, I moved out still not over it still fucking pissed still holding it

over me oh he's mad that you just stole his thunder and we're also yeah so funny total thunder stealing so in my life um my oldest was moving out then the middle like I go over to her room and she's sitting on her bed playing Minecraft and I said you're moving out is this a real thing like I just looked at her like and she's like this on Minecraft with that hypnotizing music and I'm standing in the doorway like oh I feel so free and hot. Like that music on Minecraft is unbelievable. So I'm just looking at her and I'm getting hypnotized. And she looks up from her computer and she goes, yeah, I found a place.

I'm moving out on Thursday. And I'm like, and I walked down the hallway like a brick in my stomach, like somebody threw a brick. A Minecraft brick. A Minecraft brick! They're both sharp, the Myers brothers. Who's there with you? You know, the A camera, B camera. Oh, right, right. Perfect.

You take it. Oh, yeah, you're directing. You're directing now. Yes. Yeah. So, perfect. Oh yeah. You're directing. You're directing now. Yes. So yeah. But I just, I remember looking at her and I said, I've been waiting since you were three for you to move out. And now that it's happening, I want to throw up. And she was like, thanks mom. How old was she? Probably 19. Okay. How old were you when you moved out? How old was she? Probably 19.

Okay. How old were you when you moved out? I was just a little bit younger than that. Okay. I have a question, and I apologize to the Minecraft community for my ignorance, because my kids aren't quite old enough to play it yet, and I was, of course, too old when it came out. 19 seems old for Minecraft.

Am I wrong? No. Okay. Oh, No. Okay. Oh, no. Okay. I mean, there's people, like... I would assume if a 19-year-old was playing Minecraft, they were going to live with you forever. Well, I think she was 12.

Let's just correct the record. How was your youngest when the older sisters moved out? Fantastic. I mean, this is like, this is the youngest of three girls. Must be the dream right now. Like a Manx cat, whichever way you throw me,

I land on my feet. You know what I mean? And so, you know, she's the Robert Plant of all of us. Like, she walks through and everybody's like, cool, just, you know,

if I could get a minute of your time. You seem really chill. She was great, you know, and we settled into a routine that was, you know, quite lovely. We

have quiet. There's so much music and incredible love and stimulus in the house. Nana lives next door, I swear to God. to move in quiet spaces together, which is really nice. We cook together, we'll do the dishes and things like that. That was a big part of that transition was real. And I'm realizing this now that her sisters were gone and things were quiet and we just kind of didn't need to fill in the silence. I, having three children, cannot wait for that. I mean, it's years and years away. You said like when one of them is away, then it's just a totally different dynamic, and it's much quieter.

Getting one gone is unbelievable. And I will say we have, when our oldest, who's only eight years old, which is deeply unfair. Like he came back and immediately started fighting with his brother. And we were both, my wife and I were both like, it was so nice when you were gone. Totally. Totally. Wait, you have a 104 fever and spinal meningitis. You're still going on the school trip.

Yeah, exactly. I think you're fine. Let me spray your mouth. Just don't say you feel hot. Don't tell anyone you feel hot. Just put this soccer towel on the back of your neck and go! Did you have, like, a move when you were going into a new school? How would you ingratiate yourself to a new group of people?

If you never fell in with the bad kids, you must have found crowds. You must have found friends or maybe not. Maybe you didn't. But is there do you get better at that technique of being the new kid at school doing it so frequently? You know what? That's such a good question. I think that I was mostly, you know, I just like people. I always was like a people person, but I was, you know,

I was scrappy when I was a kid. I would be like, you know, you know, oh, you think it's funny that he's wearing a sweater with a belt? That's gay to you? Come here! Like fifth grade. I was this small. Like, anybody who would make fun of people,

and I would get into, like, physical, you know, I would always, like, that was, I'm a 70s kid, guys. I would also think a 70s, a scrappy 70s New York kid in L.A., that almost seems like a movie i watched that doesn't exist you know what i think i was in it yeah i think you were in it you you played yourself but it does seem like i wouldn't be surprised someone's like you know pamela adlon's first uh first movie she plays a scrappy she was very. She was nine years old. I've played it in movies, you know, on TV with like Ed Asner or Red Fox or just pick one.

Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. This episode of Family Chips is supported by the 2024 Nissan Pathfinder. Hey, Pashi. Yes, Oofy. From muddy jungle paths and snowy trails to rolling sand dunes, the 2024 Nissan Pathfinder. Hey, Pashi. Yes, Oofy. From muddy jungle paths and snowy trails to rolling sand dunes, the 2024 Nissan Pathfinder has the capability to take you to some of the most epic destinations on Earth. Oh, man, we are excited to once again partner with Nissan

because, as our listeners know, this podcast, Family Trips, is occasionally a podcast about trips and about the joy of having adventures and exploring new places and making memories. And if you're one of our listeners who doesn't know the podcast is called that, what is the holdup? There's no better vehicle for chasing bigger, better, more exciting adventures than the 2024 Nissan Pathfinder with seven drive modes. The Pathfinder's available, intelligent four-wheel drive is built for even the most epic journeys. This thing can tow. A Nissan Pathfinder

can tow, Souf, so you can bring the fun with you. Yeah. How many pounds would you say? Six thou. Oh boy, that's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun to tow. Nissan also knows it's not just about where you go in a Pathfinder, the real fun comes from getting there.

Ooh, now that is well said, Sufi. Thank you. Whether getting there is a new physical place or just the end of an amazing story told by one of our guests. That's why we're excited to partner with Nissan to celebrate adventures everywhere. So thanks again to Nissan for supporting family trips

and for the reminder to chase bigger, better, more exciting adventures and enjoy the ride along the way. Learn more at nissUSA.com. Intelligent four-wheel drive cannot prevent collisions or provide enhanced traction in all conditions. Always monitor traffic and weather conditions. Towing capacity varies by configuration. See Nissan Towing Guide and Owner's Manual for additional information.

Always secure cargo. Family Trips is supported by Cuts Clothing. Hey, Bajie. Yes, Oofy. Do you know what I'm wearing right now? A t-shirt? Yeah, guess what? Guess what brand? Oh, that's Cuts Clothing. That's Cuts, and it's my first Cuts, and I'm very happy to say I'm a big fan of Cuts so far. Yeah, I mean, it is high quality, wrinkle-free. Their t-shirts are so buttery soft that you can look like you're dressing up even when you're dressing down. Yeah, you heard that. Wrinkle-free. Wrinkle-free, Suf. No wrinkles. And you know, Posh, you've known me for a long time. Yeah. In the wrong shirt, I'm Wrinkle City. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's embarrassing. I also like cuts because that's,

as you know, that's what I've always called my muscles. Yep. My cuts. And I've always said things like, oh, bad news about my cuts. But the good news about Cuts the T-shirt is for a limited time, our listeners get 20% off your entire order when you use code TRIPS at checkout. At CutsClothing.com, that's 20% off your order at CutsClothing.com with promo code TRIPS. Please support our show. So obviously you're going back and forth. Their clothing is as comfortable as athleisure, but fashionable enough to wear to work. So obviously you're going back and forth. Your dad's working in TV.

So you've got that sort of lifestyle where you're traveling a lot for his work to live places. But did you guys take trips? Did the four of you, you and your brother and your parents, go places? Many, many. My mom was early days. She was a travel agent. We went on two cruises. And those were incredible. But, you know, I remember one that we were late because like my parents rented like Vespas.

We went to Nassau and Bermuda. And we were running back to the ship because we were late, which is why I'm never late. Like maybe it stemmed from that. The anxiety of running for a fucking ocean liner cruise, screaming and feeling scared and embarrassed and everything. And, you know, but those cruises were great, great vacations. I just remember the last time that we all did a trip together. What was that one? It was really, it was so bad uh it was so bad it was so bad it was just you know we were just cusping adulthood my brother and i gotcha and bad time to be with your children in a car okay okay road trip my dad's bmw whatever sedan it was just uh the perfect storm it was the perfect storm it was like you know um my dad was kind of you know he was a very volatile person i mean he was somebody that was very beloved and he was a comedy writer. He was a

comedy guy, but at home it was another story. And, you know, and my dad and I like locked horns the whole time. I was like my childhood from the time I was 11 until 18, moved out. And one of the reasons I had to move out, well, the reason was because I couldn't live under the same roof with my dad. What was your brother's relationship with him? Was it very different? So recently, I guess it was October, I'm with my brother and his wife and we're talking about our childhoods. And he said, he just looked at me and I mean, I don't want to say too much, but I'll tell you guys if we go out after the pod just for him. But I realized that we both had an entirely different childhood yeah that three years um something happened and i feel like you know my dad and i clashing um it was such a part of, you know, my genetic, uh, Minecraft of my body, like how I was formed.

Um, and I would go for it with my dad, you know, I was the scrappy remember. And so like there was family dinners. Um, almost every single one would end up with somebody getting up and storming away from the table. And, you know, I would come home and sorry, dad, I feel bad, but. Wow. Did you hear that? Something fell off the shelf When I said Sorry dad Oh my god

It's a Tibetan scroll A Tibetan scroll And you don't even own a Tibetan scroll I swear to god wait Pamela has left the zoom box To go check this girl I'm not kidding This

Fell off the shelf when i said sorry dad well whoa that is deep and there have been birds pecking at my window but that's another story so anyway um no one has ever ignored more ominous uh uh omens to do this podcast than you. Yeah. Poop, poop, poop. Um, but I knew like my dad, he was funny. He was a funny guy. And I remember him walking into my room when I was 11 and he said, he would say things like it says in the book, there was no book. He would just say things out loud that little girls and their fathers, they have a hard time getting along when the girls turned 12 until, and I'm like, what the fuck are you telling me this for? I'm 11 years old. I don't want, I don't want this. years old. I don't want, I don't want this, but I think that, you know, he first saw, or I don't even know. I think that he was trying to like, he knew that the teen years were coming, but my dad,

it was, it was hard. It was hard growing up. So when I went back to high school in New York, my brother was home with my dad here in LA. Got it. And that's part of the bitterness. I see. Bitterness. Where did you live in those years when you were back in New York? Who did you live with? mom okay i lived um i lived at the carnegie house and um on uh 57th and 6th you know around there and it was great for me you know i mean i was you know in school and working and um and my brother has not you know what i mean he never i feel like some locking horns is, is important.

Yes. So, I mean, he was always kind of like my bully because he's my big brother. But I always like, couldn't get enough. And like growing up, he would play like, he created like one of the first computer games. He's absolutely brilliant. And like he gave me a job one summer punching floppy disks like like we had the first computers in our house. Like this is so crazy.

He said he was going to pay me for punching squares out of the corners of floppy disks. And I remember my room being covered with all these little squares. He still owes me. Now, I have a question. Your dad, was he still around as you became a comedy writer? Did he, I mean, it must have been interesting for you guys that you locked horns and then you sort of followed his path. Well, when I was in my early 20s and I'd been living on my own for a while, we rekindled in a big way.

And we actually, I kind of used his little technique on him inadvertently because this is the way I started writing comedy was my dad and kind of doing therapy. So I wrote a scene about a daughter and a dad and the dad's writing partner. So my dad had a writing partner and they wrote like a whole bunch of crazy shit in the 80s, you know, anyway, he, my father, Don Siegel, who came from writing comic books, softcore porn novels in the 60s. And then like Chico and the Man, The Jeffersons, The Love Boat, all of that. And his partner was Phil Margo, who was a token, The Lion Sleeps Tonight. And so they were writing partners. And I wrote a scene about these two Alta Cocker writing partners and this young daughter of one of them.

And I was able to kind of shine a light on my dad's little naughty behaviors. And he died laughing. Ah, that must have been something. It was incredible. It was really incredible. And, you know, then I started kind of trying to do stuff with my dad. And there was a book that they were going to option. And I said, let me buy the option. Let's, let's pursue this. And we had meetings. I remember we met with Sidney Poitier and like, I was young and I was doing like these big out of the box things when I was in my early twenties.

But he never saw my trajectory into being a professional writer. And my mother has said to me, like, you know, I guess when Better Things season one or two, when it started to kind of blow up and get bigger, she said, it's a good thing your father's not alive. Because he would have resented your success? Jews, what are you talking about? So now your mother is British? Yes.

Okay. Did you ever go, when you were little, did she have family back in England? Did you go visit? Yeah, we went to England. And one of my core memories is, I think I was like 11 or 12. And she took me to see the Rocky Horror Show live. And it was like, they were like fucking and swapping in beds.

And it was like, it was crazy. I'm so happy I was like, it was crazy. I'm so happy I was there, but not with my mom. Yeah, that's my English mom. A British mom, even worse. Right. And I remember sitting in the seat and I kind of was like trying to peripherally see my mom. And I felt her head turn to look at me like this. And I pretended to be asleep.

A very hard musical to sleep through, Rocky Horror. I was asleep. I don't see anything, Mom. But I was a sheltered child. So I knew that it wasn't my place to be watching the thing she took me to. Now, see, I wouldn't have guessed sheltered at all. I mean, a comedy writer have guessed sheltered at all. You're, I mean, a comedy writer father,

New York, LA, in the business. Do you feel sheltered? They were strict. Okay. It was a double standard in my house. My brother had one thing. I had another. I was barely allowed to have a friend over.

And if my brother was going out, my father would be like, you going to get your pipes cleaned? How old were you when you could go out like in Manhattan on your own or just with your friends? Like, was that a thing that was not allowed? I think I actually, you just triggered a memory on the day I graduated high school. We went to there was a like I graduated from we were at Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center. And we went to eat green eggs and ham at this place that used to be right outside Lincoln Center by One Lincoln Plaza where we were living.

I don't know if you guys remember the place that sold green eggs and ham. Anyway, I went out after that. I ended up smoking opium. Oh, great. Yeah. Because high school's over. Yeah. It's time to transition into adulthood.

I think opium, I think the... Take it out. No, statute limitations, statute limitations is passed on opium. Also, kids can't find opium right now.

Thank you. Yeah. This was 1984. Yeah. You know? Times Square was full of opium dens. Dude, Times Square, if people only knew.

I know. Where I would get my fake ID. Like, literally, you're like, oh, mine got, I scratched it off too many times. I got to go get another one. What do you pay for a fake ID? What do you think you were paying for a fake ID in Times Square? Probably like 20 bucks. And was it a thing where you would actually, they would take your picture in front of a full driver's license, you know, like with a giant size driver's license or how

would they do it? Do you remember? I think it was like, you know, you'd put your head in a circle and then you'd be like E.T. in the basket with Elliot behind you. Like it would, everybody bought everything. Right. Like it was like, you know, and I'm, I would get other people's IDs and I would be like, uh, my name is Virginia Thompson and I live at like, I would like, we all did that. But I remember I was, when I was 17 in New York city, I couldn't wait to turn 18 because I was going to be legal. I turned 18. They changed the drinking age to 19. When I turned 19, they changed it to 21.

You took it personally, I hope. Yes, of course. But the good news is they kept lowering the age for opium. 19. I can't believe the drinking age was 19. Right before you jumped on, I was talking to Josh about this. I'm actually giving a commencement address for a New York City school at Lincoln Center in a couple of weeks. You are?

At East Fisher? And I'm so, yeah. And I'm so, I, and I'm so, I don't know how you would feel if you got asked to do this. What wisdom do I have to impart to 18-year-old kids? I feel like I'm a thousand-year-old man to them. It's such a good question. I guess I'm there for the parents, right?

I'm there for the parents. Oh, yeah, it's true. They're like, who is that? Right, exactly. None of the kids are going to be. But be but you know just think about like your favorite person and google the commencement speeches they've given yeah and it'll do their speech yeah yeah but it'll it'll like trigger something but it's like you just want something that's gonna resonate with them and not just be Seth Meyers for mom and dad. Yeah. I think I have. So I actually have one thing that based on my college experience,

one thing I think I want to say, which is, again, I grew up in the suburbs. Josh and I both went to school in Chicago. And I remember all the New York kids were snobby about Chicago. And they would say, this isn't a real city compared to New York City. And so I'm going to tell all these New York kids at the commencement, like don't, when you go somewhere else for school, like don't talk about how it's shittier here. That's great. And totally use the word shittier.

Yeah. Just like, don't be, I mean, we all know, we all know, just don't ruin it for them. That's hilarious. I love that. Great.

Glad we're working through it. And then I'm going to be like, no, everybody go outside to get your diplomas and opium. I mean, I don't know if it's too real, too raw, but this trip, this road trip, where were you guys going on this trip? Where did you, was there a plan that went awry or was it just sort of personalities that conflicted? Yes, I remember everything. We were on our way to Laughlin, Nevada, which is not even like Las Vegas or a thing. Like it was like, you know, and our parents told us like, it's going to be a thing.

Laughlin. And we were like, uh, really? And it just, my dad was just at his worst and he was driving and he was, I remember him being really mean to my mom. And when we got to Laughlin, I mean, I had to be 21 because I feel like I went into a casino. I don't know. When you showed up, they changed the legal gambling age to 22. It's so... I mean, yeah,

going to Laughlin feels like they waited too late to book a room in Vegas. Yeah. Yeah, or Reno. And the drive, the drive. And I remember like making some jokes, like on the way that, like I wrote a song and it was from a musical that I was writing called The Button

Pushers, and it was about our family. Oh, it's great. The Button Pushers is great. I mean, and it was just like, and that was a way that we laughed through because everything was a fucking landmine you know what i mean and so um it was just a really uncomfortable trip and i just knew that that was the last time yeah it was just it's it's not a good story there's nothing funny about it it's like um it just feels like really like sad that we ended on the button pushers. And then I remember looking at my mom like, really? You're going to fucking hang out with that for another 50 years or whatever? And did they?

Did they stay together? They did until my father dropped in. That's good. Well, that's the best time to move on. What is happening? Get somebody else for this podcast. Did anything fall down? Did anything fall down when you said that? Okay.

Did the scroll jump back on the wall? Is the scroll in English now? And it's a letter from your father? The eggs are cooking on the counter. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Shout out to Claritin for supporting this episode and providing us with samples. Hey, Pashi. Yes, Hoofy.

Do you mind if I take this one? Please do. You know me. Allergy City. Yep. That is a true story. Mouth Breather Jones. When I'm all stuffed up in the nose, not a lot of fun to be around. That is a true story. Mouth Breather Jones. When I'm all stuffed up in the nose, not a lot of fun to be around.

Yeah, that's true. Luckily, for someone like me who lives with the symptoms of allergies, I can live Claritin Clear with Claritin D. Claritin D's been a game changer for me, Posh. There's certain places I go. My in-laws' house. Our parents' house, where I have an immediate allergic reaction to people

their age. No, there's just things in the air and all of a sudden I can't breathe well and Claritin D has just made my life so much better. Designed for serious allergy sufferers Claritin D has two powerful ingredients and just one pill that relieve your allergy symptoms

and decongest your nose so you can breathe better. I keep a bottle on hand at my house just in case you might come over or anyone with allergies might come over. It's just a good stopgap measure. Yeah, when your nose is stopgapped. Right. And if, like, if you're having a dinner party and you don't want to sit next to someone who's eating, like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and go to Claritin.com right now for a discount so you can live Claritin clear. Use as directed. This episode of Family Trips is supported by the 2024 Nissan Pathfinder.

From muddy jungle paths to snowy trails to rolling sand dunes, the 2024 Nissan Pathfinder has the capability to take you to some of the most epic destinations on earth. And we're excited to once again partner with Nissan because, as our listeners know, this podcast, Family Trips, is occasionally a podcast about trips and about the joy of having adventures and exploring new places and making memories. And there's no better vehicle for chasing bigger, better, and more exciting adventures than the 2024 Nissan Pathfinder. With seven drive modes, the Pathfinder's available intelligent four-wheel drive

is built for even the most epic journeys. And it even has up to 6,000 pounds of towing capacity so you can bring the fun with you. But Nissan also knows that it's not just about where you go.

In a Pathfinder, the real fun comes from getting there. Very well said, Pashi. Whether getting there is a new physical place or just the end of an amazing story

told by one of our guests. That's why we're excited to partner with Nissan to celebrate adventurers everywhere. So thanks again, Nissan, for supporting family trips and for the reminder to chase bigger, better, more exciting adventures. And enjoy the ride along the way. Learn more at NissanUSA.com. Intelligent four-wheel drive cannot prevent collisions or provide enhanced traction in all conditions. Always monitor traffic and weather conditions. Towing capacity varies by configuration. See Nissan Towing Guide and Owner's Manual for additional information. So you, single mother of three, where, do you remember the first?

Do you remember? Yeah, three girls, right? Thanks for clarifying. I want the full points. Don't soft, yeah. Do you remember the first big trip you took the girls on where you were the sole parent? Hawaii.

Oh, so you took a big swing. Yeah, it was the dynamics of siblings, man. the dynamics of siblings, man. I, I remember, uh, years ago, um, one of my friends, I was talking about like how they are all at each other's throats and, um, in over my head. And she looked at me and she said, you don't have a sister. You have nothing to compare this to. And I realized that was really true. Like I did not have that bone that like, you know, you know, executioners bone that girls That girls in the same house have for each other. It's an intense dynamic. And watching them go through all these phases and, like, who's the alpha and who's the climate controller of the whole house is so fascinating. And, you know,

I just wish for, do you have kids, Josh? I don't. Yeah. You feel kidless. There's a light. Yeah. His hair, you see everything. It's just a rosy, just like, what am I going to do today? Um, am I going to do today? But it's really, I wish, like, I always think this, and I want this for you and your wife, to, if you could be you now, and just, like, always be present. Like if you could have my perspective. Yes, of course. Because I mourn them being kids all the time. I dream about them. I remember when I was in the UK,

I was shooting season five of Better Things. I was dreaming about my kids being kids every night because there's like the veil breaks and they really become grownups and they are in the world. And, you know, it's, it's just an astonishing thing because no matter what the dynamic is at home and how many hurt feelings you get as a parent, which is like the most you'll ever have in your life. Like, oh, shit, that really fucking hurts me. The perspective and the feedback that you get from other adults about your kids, it's profound. And so, like, if somebody says something about my kids and I'm like, you should have seen what a fucking cunt she was being this morning or something like that. They don't need to know that.

Right. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? We just had a – I remember we just had – we have wonderful teachers at our boys' school. And we were saying, God, one of them is just being a lot at home. And the teacher said, well, it's exhausting because they are very good kids all day. And they're great kids in school. And then they get home and that's when they have to let it all out. But they go they go just no you're not we're not getting the worst of them you're getting the worst of them

and they're great when they're with us that's absolutely true and that's better you would you know you'd you'd prefer that I mean you have to pay the cost yeah well you pay a lot to send them there and for them to say those things to you yeah exactly exactly to the tune of okay but um they're wonderful at school yes count i mean it's just like this to the tune of licensing a beatles song yeah exactly fucking totally i remember one of my kids teachers saying at the parents uh night i am going, over the course of the next school year, spend more time with your kids than you are. And I was like, oh, wow. It's really true. But the second they walk in that door, it's Kramer versus Kramer. You're like, what? You know what I mean? Don't eat the ice cream, Billy.

Good Dustin Hoffman. Really good, out of nowhere. I always remember, we watched Kramer versus Kramer at home in New Hampshire once. And at the end, and who is it with Dustin Hoffman? Who's the woman? Meryl Streep.

So Meryl Streep is, she's crying. Josh is sort of famously not into her. So he kind of forgets her often. She's my cousin. Is she really? Yeah, I found this out on Finding Your Roots. Oh, cool. That kind of cousin?

So not a cousin? But so Meryl Streep's in tears and she's like about to go see the kid and she's crying and she asked Dustin Hoffman, she's like, how do I look? Or she's like, I look terrible. And he says, no, you look great. And I remember sitting there saying, no, she doesn't. And everyone like hissed me down. Like it was like, shut up, Josh. Like this is a really wonderful moment in this movie.

She's radiant and glowing. All she did was wipe tears off her face. Yeah, but in my like whatever it was, 10-year-old brain, I was like she's crying. She looks – she's a mess. She looks a mess. That Meryl Streep. You look terrific. It's a good Dustin Hoffman.

You know, we don't do a lot of impressions on the podcast, but this is top five. Yeah. If you're listening and not watching it on YouTube. Edward Kimberly. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Now it's getting a little worse. Yeah, sorry.

No, I was being Tootsie taking off the makeup at the, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. That everybody says about you, like her Kramer versus Kramer Hoffman's really good. The Tootsie's rocky. Her Tootsie Hoffman's a little... She got too much positive feedback on the Kramer versus Kramer. Totally.

I was all gassed up. So do you have... All right, don't name names, obviously. When you have three kids, because I find this right now, rotating favorite? Duh. Yeah. You know, you don't think that way when they're little.

Mm-hmm. But you really think that way when they're little. Like, you're just like, oh, God. You know, there's the moment where, you know, somebody pops off on you. And if you have three or more that you go, oh, great, you were my last fun child. That's it's over. You know, I remember one of my friends saying to she's single mom, two girls to her oldest who was still like young at that time but maybe like pushing 10 9

and she looked at her daughter and she said you just lost your cute you just lost your cute like that's there's like there's a whole bunch of currency that comes with being adorable and sweet and a kid so they can be an asshole. But it's like, you know, Phil Rosenthal, his first book is called You're Lucky, You're Funny, which is what Monica, his wife, would say to him all the time. funny, which is what Monica, his wife, would say to him all the time. Yeah. You know, I mean, you got to have something going for you. You got to give me something. Because. I heard a friend of mine say to one of her children, which I thought was, oh, I like that a lot, which is she goes, I love you.

You're making it very hard for me to like you. To like you. And that's really good. I like that. Yeah. I feel like that resonates with kids. Yeah, because they get scared because they have to like you. That's really good. I feel like that resonates with kids. Yeah, because they get scared because they have to own that.

They just think the love is automatic and we've told them, I love you no matter what. You know, I mean, there's no line. Maybe Nazi porn. You know, that might be the line. Right, right. Hopefully.

It's at least a conversation. Hey, we got to talk about this. How many steaming turds can I drop into one lovely family podcast? No, it's good. It's good. You can't believe how often Nazi porn comes up on this. I was with my, so I had all three kids. I'm no hero,

by the way, but I had all three kids this weekend by myself. And I was then walking the boys. My wife's getting home Monday night. I was walking the boys to school on Monday morning. And at one point I just stopped and I said, I can't talk to either of you anymore. You have to talk to each other. I can't answer any more questions. I don't, I have run out of energy for both of you. And they both also, they, I have a real good thing going right now, which is they're both wearing glasses, which makes their eyes look like super big. And they just like looked up with their dumb faces, like, huh? That, no! That's amazing because I had this conversation

with my 88-year-old mother yesterday. About you didn't want her to ask you any more questions? No more. We're at quiet time now. Yeah. We need quiet time.

We have one of those. We have one of those for a mom. Like, just... Alex Trebek didn't ask as many questions as our mom does in one afternoon. Oh, my God. So your mom lives next door to you now? Yeah. And how is it in general? She has literally crossed over into, she's either a toddler or a teenager.

You know, defiant toddler, asshole teenager. So lose-lose. Massive lose-lose for you. Absolutely. And it's stressful. I sat down with her and I said, okay, we got to talk about going into a restaurant. Okay, let's start with that. Okay, great. What are the problems?

Give us the things your mom needs to improve going into a restaurant. We just need to sit down and be grateful that we're there. And we don't send back the water right away. I'm not making this up. If it's, you know, I said, you can't do that. It's too stressful for me. It's too stressful for me. Yeah, that's a good tact.

it's too stressful for me yeah um that's a good tact also um you know if something's not right or we have this huge conversation yesterday i did a show at the groundlings and uh kathy griffin was there and i told her about my mother and i said my my mother's in the audience and my body's just regulating from going to dinner with her at Cantor's. And the woman who was serving us, single mom, because she's talking to us. She's great. Nana does some fucked up thing off the back.

And I'm like, we discussed this. Set off the back. And I'm like, we discussed this. Set the water back. I'd like one ice cube. I say to the girl, I'm like, what's your name? She's like, Tatiana. I go, do you deal with this?

She goes, this is Cantor's. Yeah, I'm asking for it. Line of fire. Yeah, totally. I go, okay, two questions. What's a kishka? And two, are you a single mom? And she goes, yeah, of four. I can smell it.

I mean, it's like, you see like the pan about Josh. He's like, you know, puck. It's the reverse of the Josh glow. Yes. It's like, you know, you're like oh yeah and so josh has stolen her light is basically no i yeah i want to give her i want to give her light i might go to cancers later this afternoon yeah if i can get tatiana i gave her a massive tip of course yeah Of course. Yeah. But yeah, it's a lot. And I mean, that's another thing.

Like I'm fascinated right now with aging. It's all I think about. I'm totally fascinated by it. My brother is somebody who became a single dad of three when I became a single mom. He got back at you for moving out at the same time. Turnabout is fair play. Oh, are you a single mom? Well, guess what, Pamela?

Yeah. Fuck you for getting a BMW when I had a lemon yellow Dodge Dart used. No, that's so funny. Yeah. Same time. Fuck you for getting a BMW when I had a lemon yellow Dodge Dart used. No, that's so funny. Yeah, same time, same year, same month. We separated and the father of my three girls moved to another continent and the mother of his three boys moved thousands of miles away. Wow. continent and the mother of his three boys moved thousands of miles away. And my brother and I were sitting there like, and my brother, like, I remember he was like gasping for air because he just had the wind knocked out of him. He was going to stay in And he said, what are the odds that you and I,

you'd have three girls, I'd have three boys, and that their parents would leave? Stunning, actually. He then met my new sister-in-law, who I love her. I think she saved his life. And then he took her three kids on as well. And so he's just my fucking hero. I'm going to cry. Did you guys?

My bully is my hero. Your bully is your hero. Look'm going to cry. Did you guys? My bully is my hero! Your bully is your hero. Look at that. Yeah. Do your daughters and his sons get along? They adore each other. That's nice. His sons are geniuses. His sons are... Two of his sons are

virtuoso, brilliant musicians. And his other son is in the business sector, like he is, and just incredible. And plays the kazoo. Are your daughters the best version of themselves when they're around their cousins? Incredible.

You absolutely, yeah. Is that a thing? I just got a sense. I was like, oh, I bet this is, it just sounded like they get along. And I bet when you're around three brothers, and I bet the boys are too. There must be something about seeing yourself through the eyes of, I don't know, cousins. Were you like, oh, let's be better? We just recently, we were all together.

And we had one of my nephews here, all three of my daughters, my brother, his wife, my mom. And because Adam was here, my nephew, it elevated the whole night. It was just, it was like spectacular. And they feel so connected. Like those core feelings and memories in the kids and people, you'll never divest them from it. Do you take trips? Have you taken trips with all of them?

Yes. We did Divorce Mexico. Alright! It was the Brady Bunch on steroids. How old were the girls for Divorce Mexico? Okay, Divorce Mexico was 12, 9, and 6.

Oh, man. And now how were they, were they like going through the trauma of the divorce in Divorce Mexico? It was, you know, again, it was a rare opportunity that they were there with their boy cousins and all together.

That's where the bond really formed. I mean, what a nice support system you and your brother must have been for each other. I can't imagine either of you going through that alone. Yeah, it was pretty crazy that being able for us all to form a nucleus and be like an antibody altogether. It's the same thing for me

because like sometimes I'll say to Josh, like, oh, the three kids are driving me crazy. And he'll be like, yeah, the line for my kale smoothie was really long. So I know what you're going through. Yeah, totally. Waiting in line for a kale smoothie. I make my own kale smoothies.

That's right. You have time to make your own kale smoothie. I'm going to a for a kale smoothie. I make my own kale smoothies. That's right. He's like, I'm sorry. You have time to make your own kale smoothie. I'm going to a double feature right now. Do you need anything else, Seth? I'm going to go catch Barbie Heimer again. Yeah. I'm going to go stand in line for standby seats at Wicked. When was the last?

So your girls are all in their 20s. When was the last, so your girls all in their 20s, when was the last time the four of you took a trip together? So that was five years ago. Okay. They're all, you know, I mean, they all like are women in the world. Yeah. They all have boyfriends now and I don't. So it's like, I was trying to couch my, they all have sex and I don't, you know what I mean?

It's just that one moment that it's the one moment when your kids, you're like, okay, everybody get to bed, get to bed, get to, that's the mantra all the time. Just please go the fuck to sleep. Like Samuel L. Jackson says. And then finally you're like, oh i'm going to bed right bye yeah and they're all awake yeah pretty good the drop the drop there's different drops yeah um i want to ask real quick uh because we have some questions for you but um congratulations you you have a movie, Babes, coming out. Thank you. It was incredibly well received at South by Southwest.

This is your first feature you've directed. That's right. So that means it's the first premiere you got to go to of a film you directed. Was it a trip? I was not prepared because I just thought it was, you know, we're going to South by to see the movie and it's opening on May 17th. Like I didn't connect that it was the world premiere, but it was kind of an extraordinary thing because five of my dearest friends were there. And my my friend Josh flew in from New York and then three of my friends flew in from LA. And then one of my friends was there because she manages Brooke Shields. So I couldn't, I've never had people like that around my, my people. And my friend Josh looked at me and he said, no more alone.

No more alone, which was like really incredible. And it was it was it was an incredible experience. We were at the Paramount. They closed down Congress for us. It was the theater was packed and watching it in the theater, you know, feeling that energy of being in a theater, seeing a movie like Josh does every day. Um, is, I mean, it's so infectious and it was just like, I'm like, is this just because like, they know that me and Alana and Michelle Boutteau were all there. But it was one of the biggest moments for me professionally. Like, I was just like, wow. And having a comedy that works in front of an audience, there's nothing, no greater feeling in the world.

Yeah. Because you know, you don't have to wait till the end. Yeah. And just a packed house for a comedy that's working, laughter feeds laughter and it's it's the best like yeah yeah are your daughters proud of you i did turn to one of my friends i think it was paula and i was like i don't think the girls understand what's happening here right now

because it was like it was junket it was like the thing feeding up to it and then the premiere and it was like whoa like i was i was shocked i didn't expect it and i was, I just don't think that they can know what's happening. But I came home from that trip. Bye. I can't talk. Oh, no. Sounds like your daughters did something very sweet. They had balloons for me. Oh. Stop it. Ew. No, this is great. This is great.

They make me cry. You know, I cry all the time. I cry all the time, too. They had balloons for me and caviar and champagne. That, especially that thing where you don't think they even know and they knew because clearly your friend paula called them and was like that's what those friends are for swear to god oh that's really great good for them good for all of you can i tell you uh real

quick and then just ask going to ask a question. Sometimes when I just want to be cheered up, I have like some go-to like cheer up things. That Better Things dance scene. Yeah. It just like cheers me up. I mean, it was such a wonderful show. But that, I think it's season two, the end of season two.

Yeah, the finale. Yeah, it's just so wonderful. I'm so happy. Now Josh is going to ask you some questions. All right, some quick questions. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? Educational.

All right. There you go. What's your favorite means of transportation? Train, plane, automobile, boat, bike, walking? Boat. Boat. All right. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be?

Come on, Josh. Look, some people aren't going to want to be on that island. Some people, maybe they'll be like, I'd be happy to be left behind. My grandfather, Harry. He was a funny, funny man. I found his letters recently that he wrote to my dad, the correspondence. It's incredible. I have to publish it.

It's like he was. What did he do? If your father was a comedy writer and same with you, was he, so did he work in the business at all? His father was a junk man and they had, so the, the business became, um, penny slots and And then it became like slot machines. And then they were in like Vegas.

And then the story goes that they sold the business and bought racing dogs. And all I could remember is the Jim Jarmusch movie. Horses, not dogs. Horses, not dogs. And all I could remember is the Jim Jarmusch movie, horses, not dogs, horses, not dogs. And then they, you know, the whole family, bad blood, my father and his brothers, like the whole thing. But yeah, I would pick Harry Siegel. Great. Good pick. And you're from Manhattan. safe to say? And I'm not a bum. Would you recommend Manhattan as a vacation destination? I mean, the city's changed so much, guys. I mean, I wouldn't go to Midtown every...

Yes, I would recommend Manhattan. It's a layup. It's a layup. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. I got you.

I got you. And then Seth has two questions, or sort of finishing questions. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? I don't remember. We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there. I've been to the meteor crater in Arizona.

Oh, yeah. I've been to that one, too. All right. Well, since we can't remember if we've been to the Grand Canyon, was the meteor canyon worth it? Would you tell people, oh, God. Yes. Gotcha.

Yeah, it's fucking cool. You know, and I would go, I would plan your trips with intention. That's the biggest piece of advice. It's like, you know, or travel alone. Yeah. You're going to have such a rich experience. That sounds nice. But traveling with a family.

Traveling with a family, I agree with you 100%. The intention part is key. You don't want to get anywhere. Do not use your time away from home having the same boring conversation about what we're going to do now. Like, know what you're going to do now like know what you're going to do yeah one of the biggest things that i would say is try to get a kitchenette wherever you stay prepare your own food you're going to save so much fucking money it's unbelievable you know and it's like you know i would travel with the girls we'd have a little kitchenette or just a little side thing. And I'll get like sardines and avocados and eggs and cheese and bread and PB and J. You're good. Bananas. You don't have

to go to a restaurant. Don't spend your money on hotel food when you've got three kids. For God's sake, woman. And then the girls would come back and be like, you have to go to France and have the PB&J in your kitchenette. There you go. They would be like, mom, why do we have to eat sardines again? Okay. Pamela, thank you so much. Isn't it lovely seeing you again?

Lovely talking. I mean. It's a gorgeous day out go go grab it is so gorgeous yeah and to think

I'm gonna spend it in a movie theater just watching whatever whatever is out there babes cause I got I'll see babes yeah babes

and we thank you so much to the ghost of your father for joining us with his angrily slapping a scroll off the wall. I'll let him know. Love you, Pamela. Thank you.

Love you, guys. Thank you. Bye. Take care of yourselves. Pamela was so scrappy Bounced tween L.A. and N.Y.C. Her brother moved out and so did she And now she is a mother of three

A mother of three A mother of three A mother of three One's still at home but she's a mother of three Went to Laughlin, Nevada But things were pretty tense between her mama and dada In the sedan they were smushed And their buttons were pushed She don't mean to be fresh but she's got a killer dustin hoffman impression when the marriage went south along with her bros they all went south for

divorce mexico Thank you. Turnin' your TV on, Pameladlon Better things marathon, Pameladlon Hulu not Amazon, Pameladlon Pameladlon, get you some of that Pameladlon