Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - PODCRUSHED friends Penn Badgley, Nava Kavelin, and Sophie Ansari Had Wildly Different Childhoods

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

This week Seth and Josh talk to the team (and long time friends) of Podcrushed! Penn Badgley, Nava Kavelin, and Sophie Ansari join the pod to talk about growing up in different parts of the world, the feeling of comparing your family to others on vacation, how they all became friends and started working together, and so much more! Airbnb.com Head to factormeals.com/trips50 and use code trips50 to get 50% off. Thanks again to Nissan for sponsoring this episode of Family Trips and for the reminder to find your more. Learn more at NissanUSA.com. https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/download-app.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiAo7KqBhDhARIsAKhZ4uiBZme79FOIX8IvDM5Q7xb4_f4Xg3QGcoMy3jRzaMA_WwzX7oy3T_oaArhxEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds To leave a question or story for the podcast: www.speakpipe.com/familytripspod

Thanks to Airbnb for sponsoring this episode. Here we go. Hi, Pashi. Hi, Sufi. A big annual event is coming up. Oh, yeah, it sure is. Not just Thanksgiving, which happens to all families across this great nation. The Myers family Thanksgiving episode of Late Night with Seth Meyers.

Yeah. This is, I think, year nine. You'd know better than I would. It's your show, bro. Nothing, literally nothing. No recognition crossed your face when I said year nine. You didn't seem impressed, amazed, or anything. You just looked at me like-

I mean, I don't know. You don't have a big, you know, no one gets a cake for the ninth year. I'm going to make a noise that matches Josh's expression when I said it was nine. Dang! So it's been nine years. Now, here's the thing.

It's very hard to book talk show guests on Thanksgiving. Obviously, that would make sense. So we double tape. We do two shows on Wednesday. And we decided early on it would be fun to have our parents and you come on the show. It's a hit. People really like it.

I hear about it all year long. Do you get any nerves anymore about coming on? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. I sang a song last year. It was a little stressful. Yeah. I feel like just as an actor,

I get nerves anytime I do pretty much anything. I get nerves because my parents are on TV. That's where all my nerves come from. And I don't know why. I mean, it's resoundingly positive how much people enjoy the show. Now, you should note something, a couple of things. One, NBC has a NFL football game, the late game on Thanksgiving. That is the most anyone throughout the year watches a primetime program on NBC. And because of that, the Late Night with Seth Meyers episode on Thanksgiving is every year, no close second, the highest rated show of the year. This is a thousand percent because it follows an NFL football game. What do you think mom and dad attribute that high rating to, Josh?

To them being on the show. Yeah. And us as a family. Yeah. But I think they lean in because you've been on other times without them and it has not popped the ratings. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So that's coming up.

And that is very exciting. And also, we are going to record another episode with mom and dad. We are going to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to see a football game. An episode of the podcast. Yes, an episode of a podcast. Good for clarifying. See, look at how many episodes of things we're making these days. Yeah, content.

We're crushing it content-wise. So we're going to do an episode of Family Trips. We're going to film it in an Airbnb in Pittsburgh because we are going there to see a Steelers game, which is also annual tradition. Yeah, we're going to record it, not film it. We're not going to film a Steelers game, which is also annual tradition. Yeah, we're going to record it, not film it. We're not going to film it. Oh, boy, a lot of notes today.

All of a sudden, the guy who was like nine and he was like three. You took whatever drug Robert De Niro took in that movie Awakenings. Oh, boy. Deep cut. So, hey, you listen to this. And we had one of our favorite episodes was when our listeners sent in stories and questions. Here's what we're asking. We are going to be sitting with our parents recording an episode of Family Trips.

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I think what you did was great. I don't think anybody's going to complain about it. And the link to that speakpipe.com slash family trips pod will also be in the show notes. Show notes. Is that you doing speakpipe saying show notes? Show notes. This is very exciting. So we have a very fun episode for you today.

Our guests were hosts of another podcast we really love called Pod Crushed. And it is a very nice brother or sister podcast. I don't know what you call it to ours because it is also about sort of your awkward teenage years. And it did seem like very much in to share some DNA with family trips. So this is Penn Badgley and his friends, Nava and Sophie. And it's the first time we talked to three people who are not Heim sisters. That's true. Yeah. And yeah, they were great. They're really fun. And then also we did an episode of their podcast. So if you want to hear sort of what goes on on their show

and hear about our awkward years in greater depth than we might go on to here, then check out Podcrushed, which is really a fun podcast. It was also a reminder of how much, and again, I really enjoy hosting this podcast, but while I'm hosting it, even though I do it with you, and I feel like we have, look, some people have said, a good natural chemistry. The whole time I'm like, I'm hosting it, I'm hosting, I'm hosting. And then it was so nice to be a guest on a podcast.

Yeah, we've done that a couple times, and it is very relaxing. Very relaxing to be a guest on a podcast. We're really doing great service to the people who come on ours. relaxing to be a guest on a podcast. We're really doing great service to the people who come on ours. You're not going to spend Thanksgiving with us because you're going east with your fiance. Yeah. And you haven't come east in a lot of years. And it's nice that you're going to be spending it with her family. Yeah. No, I'm looking forward to it.

What do you think you're going to eat? I don't know. There's a turkey-less vegan roast that Trader Joe's makes that I'm a real sucker for. Turkey-less. Yeah. Because I'm vegan. I hope at this point everybody knows that. I hope they don't hold it against me, but they might. I'm also, I'm not going to complain about whatever it is. I'll be fine. Yeah. I'll make do. You're very resilient. Yeah. I always got a pocket full of nuts and a pinch. Yeah. I always got a pocket full of nuts and a pinch. And now they've told you legally to stop saying that around schools, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't say it around schools.

All right. Please enjoy this episode of Family Trips with the lovely host of Podcrushed. But first, listen to our friend, Jeff Tweedy. Family trips with the Myers brothers. Family trips with the Myers brothers. Here we go. Hello, everyone. Hello. Hello, everyone. Hello. Hi.

I feel like I'm watching TV. I don't feel like this is happening live. It's so strange. I feel like I'm talking to professional podcasters. This is what I feel like. I mean, you are. You need the bump from us. We need the bump from you.

We'll take the bump. Also, I definitely want to ask mostly my questions about the chest of drawers behind you this is uh are you redoing it these have been my my stepson is now 14 these have been his for a very long time and he finally was like, ugh, I hate these. And that's what that is. And that was given to us by a friend. What I have to do, you'll know for Zoom, is if it's truly centered on this, it really looks bad.

So I had to just knock it, I had to just sort of knock it over and felt a bit silly. Thank you guys so much for coming on our podcast because that's what's happening now. And then very briefly, the tables will turn. Very briefly. Are you just giving us like 10 or 15 minutes no i'm gonna get you're gonna do the full podcast could i ask a question though because i'm far more relaxed about the idea of being a guest on your podcast do you feel when you're a guest you can relax a little

bit oh since you don't have to host yeah so much i don't know about my co-hosts here. You guys aren't as used to it. No, this is not our life like it is yours. But it is way more chill. I keep being like, oh my God, where are the questions? Where is my stuff? Are we recording? But I'm like, no, it's up to them. Yeah, you look relaxed. To be honest, I feel more nervous because I'm like, why are Sophie and I a part of this? And is Seth and Josh Josh are they going to immediately regret not only inviting Penn? Yes, that's true.

I should say when I just read some bio stuff about you guys, Nava and Sophie it seems like your upbringing was massively more interesting than Penn's. Actually that's probably true. So yeah. If we were just doing Penn right now I would think I don't know how we're gonna fill the whole hour

i got two family trips for you okay i got there's very few i do want to start with this because i saw a clip of you pen saying that vacations are a construct and i just want to it's a perfect way to start this yeah because i have a lot of thoughts about i thought what you said was very interesting this is was only a 15 second clip do you want to make your argument real quick before we dig into it well so you know what's funny what i recall saying let me just give context i was doing eight to 10 hours of press in the netflix building sure during a press cycle for for the last season of my show and um i said so many things right that i can scarcely recall i did see this however funnily enough where i'm saying something like um vacation is uh

something of a construct because if you feel like you have to travel go somewhere else in order to relax chances are you're never really going to relax and and there's some truth to it here's the irony not two weeks later or something i went on a vacation for the first time in years to of all places south beach miami during spring break we just went because it was easy. It was quick. It was the most basic trip. And I cannot tell you how much I loved it. I loved it. I was like, there wasn't a thing about it that I didn't like. It was amazing. Was it relaxing? It doesn't sound like the right place or time to go was it relaxing no yeah well it was because we were able to stay at my mother-in-law's apartment and just being at the beach just having a horizon when you're in the middle you know this is like march in new york city where the where the winter has been long and there there's no horizon you know and just to have a horizon and like maybe five to even 10 hours a day where you literally don't need to touch your phone if you don't have to you know and just to have a horizon and like maybe five to even 10 hours a day where you

literally don't need to touch your phone if you don't have to you know like it was just that that part of it i just loved and the warmth you know i was so down for that vacation and it was a vacation i mean we were doing the things we went and saw crocodile what alligators yes and were people on the streets sort of yelling at you like hey i thought you said it was a construct that's exactly what was happening um it was definitely a bit much me being where i was so i'd have to be strategic about going outside with the family and stuff but even then even the longer the press day for penn the more esoteric and cynical his comments become absolutely it's so true. That's fair, though.

Those have to just be brutal, doing that many hours back-to-back of, I imagine, the same questions. They are. For the most part, over and over. They are. And for some reason, I choose to do this thing where I think about the question

and answer it authentically, and it's draining it's draining yeah yeah right that's very nice that you don't just go on autopilot and have your canned answers i do want to say to you three this is the second time that we're interviewing three people at once the first time was the heim sisters so we're gonna see if you guys have the same connection as three. I think you'll find it's a little stronger. As three sisters. Pretty tight.

All right. So you guys have known each other for almost 10 years. Is that about right? I think so. I think that's about right. Yeah. You guys have known each other longer. Longer. Yeah.

Well, maybe 11. Maybe that's obnoxious. No, we met when I was 18. And you're 29. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey. This, we met when I was 18. And you're 29. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, this isn't a math podcast, guys. But you did nail it.

They are teachers, but, you know, no big deal. I think Penn and I have known each other last time. Five years, maybe? Something like eight. Oh, eight years. I mean, we would have met eight, seven. Yeah, yeah. But became friends five years ago.

Oh, that's my question. So at what point would the trio of you, would you say that you were officially a group of friends? Five? When we started the podcast. Yeah, it would have been the podcast. And it tests that. It definitely strains.

It strains the friendship it created. Would you say the podcast is the reason you're friends or you have the podcast because you were friends already? Okay, so Nava here is the, is the, is the focal point. I have a company with Nava. We are friends.

And then, and then Nava is also friends with Sophie and David. We were, we were cool, but we weren't like hanging out all the time. You know what I mean? Like I, I love Sophie and David.

I'm just not friends with them. But yeah. But the truth is we didn't know each other that well. I'm just not friends with them. But yeah. I'm learning a lot right now. But the truth is we didn't know each other that well. We really didn't. Yeah. And I don't think we, if you had asked us a year prior to the podcast starting,

if you had asked us, do you think you'll ever be hosting a podcast with that guy? You'd be like, what? Definitely not. Yeah. It's true. And so Nava, you obviously though thought these pieces would fit together. Do we attribute the idea that you thought,

you know what, Sophie, Penn and I, this will be good. This will be good alchemy. Yeah. And originally Sophie's husband too was part of it. So I thought the original idea for our podcast was going to be more centered on relationships than it currently is. And I was like, oh, like a cool young, young couple, a celebrity to reel in the other celebrities. I was basically just using Penn and then like a single person and sort of like all of us sharing from our different vantage points. And then the idea evolved quite a bit. But actually, I would say the three of us are really sweet and we each bring something different to the table. So it's been really nice. Although Penn's right. Sometimes it is a strain on friendship too. And how did David take it when you guys kicked him right out of the podcast?

He cried for a few days. He was heartbroken. No, he actually recused himself. He realized we recorded a couple episodes with David as a host too. And then before we ever released the podcast and then he quickly was like, I don't know. I don't know about this. You can see it on his face. He was just like, if I recall, we kind of suggested it,

but he was sort of like, oh, yes, thank you. Were those episodes sort of scrubbed from the record or did they ever come out? No, he was just edited out of them. I think there's one episode. There's an episode with Ayo Adeburi, if anyone listens, where you can hear David like twice.

Yeah. We don't acknowledge it. Random. No, but he is sort of like a character. He is sort of like a character on our podcast because he still does, he does all the audio. So he's in the room always. And so sometimes we refer to him. So for some people, it's like a nice Easter egg.

It's like, oh, there was David. We could hear him laugh. It also means that he had to edit himself out of those episodes. Yeah. Yeah, we're pretty cruel, pretty cruel at Prod Crush. It's like hiring a hitman and giving him a folder with a picture of himself. Yes. All right, so Nava, I want to start with you.

Born in California, but grew up in Puerto Rico. It strikes me that you've lived a great many places. But when you were young in Puerto Rico, where did you vacation within Puerto Rico? Did you travel a lot with your family? So we did both. We did internal tourism. So I grew up in San Juan on the coast in a part of San Juan called Condado and on Condado beach so but we never went to our beach so we would go to like the western side of the island and go to the beaches there that was like a big part of it was always beach-centric

if we did internal tourism why did you not go to your beach like because we're idiots I don't I don't know why we didn't go to our beach also the fact that all of our trips were beach-centric would suggest that we loved the beach but we hardly ever go to our beach. Also, the fact that all of our trips were beach-centric would suggest that we loved the beach, but we hardly ever went to our beach growing up. And it was literally right there. Like, we grew up on the beach. And was it as beautiful as the West Coast beaches? Or was it like, these are rocky and the West Coast is sand, so we prefer that? It was beautiful, but the West Coast was clear water and this was murky water.

It wasn't, like, too harsh or wavy. It was literally murky versus clear. Yeah. Yeah. So probably to make it feel like more of an adventure, we would go on the West Coast. We did use our beach sometimes, but not that frequently. How long did it take you to get to the West Coast?

About three hours, two to three hours. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, you've got to really like clear water. Really clear water. And we would book a little like hotel or a little bed and breakfast. We would stay for a couple of days. And then there's an island. This is actually back to the East Coast. There's an island called Culebra, I guess because it's

supposed to be like shaped like a snake. Culebra means snake. And that has a beach called Flamenco Beach, which at one point was like ranked top 10 in the world. And that is truly one of the most stunning beaches you can go to. On very special occasions, we would go to Culebra. So you take like a little boat and go to this island. So that was a lot of it. And then a lot of it was nearby Caribbean islands. So like Tortola or St. John's. So like I said, all beach-centric vacations in the Caribbean.

That was what we most commonly did. And you have one sibling? Yes, I have a sister named Jenna. And my parents are Tommy and Farinaz. And was Jenna how close in age? Jenna was three years older than me. And did you guys get along well? Jenna and I fought a lot. We're very close now. I'm trying to think at what point, and I think she and I have different perspectives on it, so I don't want to out my perspective too much, but I think we weren't that close until she went to college.

We fought a lot. We fought a lot. Yeah, we were the source of all the drama on the family trips. We still are sometimes. What would sort of work up your ire against one another? Just existing in the same car on these drives. I'm trying to think what we would fight about. Stupid things. I remember our friends, because kids fight, but i remember our friends would point out that our fights seemed

particularly stupid like absurd and it would be like you said the wrong word and they'd be like no that is how you pronounce that word it's like no you pronounce it like you're so self-right it would be like the tiniest thing would set us off and then we'd be like at each other's can i ask what language were these arguments in because english for the most part english yeah we speak spanish and persian but most things happened in english yeah would your parents also if someone told you to be quiet or if like you were reprimanded would that also be in english was would you be bouncing around languages my mom would often scold us in persian my dad in english yeah okay also my dad didn't scold us that much. He let my mom be the bad cop most of the time.

That's what I am choosing to do with my wife. I was going to say, classic man. Yeah. Yeah. I have two sons and I have a two-year-old daughter, but my boys are seven and five. And this is just a good, stupid argument because the seven-year-old was yelling at the five-year-old and he was crying to us and he said axel pushed me and he hasn't even said anything about it and then axel said okay i will say something about it you are stupid and it was really and then it was that thing it was so well delivered

that it was very hard not to laugh and enjoy how much he had just burned his older brother. Oh, he's the younger one. Wow. The younger one is, yeah, he's the one. He's loaded up with zingers. It's a real problem for the older one. And did you ever travel to the States? I mean, obviously you were born in California. Did you ever come back here when you were kids? Were those big trips? The first trip I remember coming back for, I had a cousin who got married in California when I was 12. I think we came for that. The first vacation we took, we went to Disney World in Florida. I think that was the first vacation we ever took to the U.S. It was great. I loved it. Magical.

Were you really excited as a 12-year-old? That seems a little maybe late for a first trip. No. To the U.S. I was so excited. Also, my dad had a twin brother and he was an Imagineer. So he got us like free tickets to all the parks. And then we knew like behind the scenes stories. And yeah, I think that was

one of my favorite family trips. We loved it. It was wonderful. By the way, the fact that, I mean, twin brother is cool enough, but Imagineer is really doubling down. And I also want to stress, because I did just learn that an Imagineer is somebody who builds rides

at amusement parks. Yes. That's correct, right? Oh, thank you. Because I didn't know, and I didn't want to ask. But it's specifically Disney World, right? Yes. There aren't Imagineers that work for Ford. Yeah, so he was the head artistic designer of the

Asia part of Animal Kingdom. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, and I'm just going to shout out John. He was the head designer of Disney Tokyo. Wow. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I hope you were dining out on that as a kid. Yeah, no, we were in Puerto Rico.

We were too isolated to take advantage of him. Have you ever been to Tokyo, the Disneyland in Tokyo? No, I'd really like to go. Have you ever been to Tokyo? No, I've never been to Tokyo, the Disneyland in Tokyo? No, I'd really like to go. Have you ever been to Tokyo? No, I've never been to Japan. That's my number one most want to do. You haven't been yet? Working for NBC, it's been really nice when they have the Olympics.

You can go to the Olympics. And there was one in Japan, in Tokyo. And then it was the COVID Olympics, so we couldn't go. But that was our plan of when to go. Maybe this podcast can sponsor a Tokyo trip. I was going to say, how can we somehow leverage this podcast into a Tokyo trip? I heard a Nissan ad, maybe Nissan will. Josh and I are going, but we're bringing David. I actually did get to go to Tokyo. I was a freelance writer for this ad agency,

and they brought the whole agency to Tokyo. And somehow I got tapped to go to Tokyo. I was a freelance writer for this ad agency and they brought the whole how to use the subway system or go to this cool neighborhood that somebody told me about. And then I'd get back and I was like, how was your meeting? And like, they were like, people were crying, people were fighting. And I was like, oh boy, like, I'm so happy to be a freelance writer here. But it was amazing. It's really something else. You guys should check it out. Sophie, where did you grow up? It's amazing. It's really something else. You guys should check it out. Sophie, where did you grow up? I grew up in a series of seven different countries. My dad worked for UNICEF, so we moved around every two to five years. But the bulk of my childhood, where most of my memories are, are the Philippines and then China. So I was in Manila and then Beijing. And so obviously it seems like the very, your very existence was going to a lot of places that

people would maybe go on vacations, but because you traveled so much, would you just stay close for family vacations in those years? No. So, well, sometimes we had like a few vacations that were just like purely vacation, not many but most of the time most of our travel went towards my mom is from the UK and my dad is from the US and so most of our travel was traveling back home to visit family I recently saw a video where someone was talking about like you know we invest in we invest our money and that pays dividends. But then you can invest in lots of things. And one of them is memories and travel. And that's what my parents did.

They spent a really large portion of their yearly income on just flying back home, flying back to the U.S. every year to visit family. That was a priority for them. Do you have multiple siblings? Yeah, I have two older siblings, an older brother and then a sister and then me. And were you excited about those trips home? Oh, yeah.

When you went? Okay. Oh, yeah, it was huge. The things I was excited about was like Staples. I loved Staples, but there's nothing like Staples. Yeah. I was wondering too, do you mean like milk and bread? Staples, Best Buy, Target.

Those were like the highlight. I would like think about them all year. There was one period of time where we were living in Albania and there was no imported goods. And so we would over the summer buy a ton of things my mom would buy Betty Crocker icing so that like for our birthdays throughout the year she could ice our cakes and I would go they were like in this special closet in the pantry and I would go and just like dip my finger into these Betty Crocker icing tins would you try to dip in a way that it would not be recognizable? Oh, yeah. Try to smooth it over.

You can only do it so many times. My fiance used to buy frosting when she was a little girl and keep it under her bed. Maybe she would steal it and she would just have like a tin of frosting under her bed. Yeah. As a nice little snack. Josh's fiance is a beautiful woman with only one tooth. Can't have it all. Yeah, I assume you might have only one tooth, honestly.

I went to the dentist. It was not. Of the places you lived, did you have a favorite as a kid? I think probably like looking back, Beijing was my favorite because I was there for high school. Probably like looking back, Beijing was my favorite because I was there for high school. And so I was like the most independent and I could kind of explore the city sort of on my own. Like I would take the subway places. I think I would say Beijing was my favorite.

Were you in an international school or were you? Yeah. So my parents knew we would be moving every two to five years because of my dad's work. And so the only way they could keep our education consistent was to put us in international schools. So yeah. Gotcha. It's interesting. The more we talk to people, we realize a lot of people, first time they were on a plane was 14, 15, but it seems like you would probably fly around a great deal based on where your parents were living. Yeah. yeah. I think the first move we did, we were living in Papua New Guinea when I was born

and we moved to Pakistan when I was one. Probably not a direct flight, I'm guessing. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think there's direct flights many places from Papua New Guinea. Do you remember as a kid like flying and like what your parents would expect of you in the age before ipads although

you might be you might have been at the early era no there were no there was no ipads no like my first phone smartphone was when i was 18 gotcha um so that that kind of stuff didn't exist but i actually am blanking like my my memory my only memory of being on a plane was we would often fly because we don't, we're not Christian. We don't celebrate Christmas. And so we would often try and fly on the 25th. And I remember we did go on a vacation to Malaysia and we traveled on Christmas Day. And so the plane was nearly empty. I was probably like 9 or 10 at this point. And I found a row to sleep in. And it was right around the time that that movie Flight Plan

came out, which is a story of a kid getting kidnapped by the flight attendants. And the flight attendant went up to my parents who were like at the front of the plane and just said, leaned over and was like, have you ever seen flight plan? Cheeky. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't have many memories of like how I would entertain myself. Probably with my siblings.

Yeah. Yeah. A row to yourself is such gold as a child. Like because, you know, sometimes people will talk about like being adults and like, oh, I had the whole row. And it's like, that doesn't work for a human, like a full-size human to lay down. That's not a bed. But when you're a kid, it can be full bed. That's first class. Yeah. It's true. I love that. So Penn, you said you've taken two vacations in your life. I didn't, none of my life was growing up.

And it's not many more now. It's not. It doesn't sound like it. It's not. You know, when we first talked about doing this podcast, I had heard like the Myers Brothers. And then the title I didn't encounter until later listening to your show. And I was like, oh, family trips. Oof.

Do I have... So the only one that I could immediately recall was going to Hawaii with my father when I was like nine or 10. And this was because my mother was working as like a phone rep for Northwest Airlines. I'm pretty sure they don't exist anymore. There's no way.

I think they're now like Delta KLM World. Yeah, yeah. One of the reasons she took the job i think was was because you could get standby flights for like literally ten dollars or something you know so there was this fantasy of really cheap flights anywhere but then i think with the fine print and the fact that you can't really travel that often anyway. We went on one trip and we couldn't even take my mom because she had to work. And it was not. That seems deeply unfair.

So she took the job and then your dad got to go to Hawaii. You know, again, like this is not a fun. Maybe it's funny because it was so miserable. Aw. So there's a few things I remember. I remember getting wrapped in um the tentacle of a jellyfish in the in the water uh early in the trip yeah hard to recall my father and i are driving in by the way a white jeep wrangler which was

really exotic feeling hot in in hawaii i had just gotten like a quick silver of a corduroy quick silver wallet with a chain that's a very nice purchase yeah so purchase and and i think white corduroy shorts oh man and by the way i had just as a as an eight nine ten year old gained a lot of weight because we had just moved to the northwest of america and i was having a really tough time in life and i really didn't want to take my shirt off at the beach that was just a thing it was like as i can recall it then it was it was really a thing so we're driving and like we saw this somewhat deserted beach you know it just was like we're driving in a place where you don't

ordinarily stop but there's nothing there's nothing there there's no signs whatever so i don't know we just stop walk through this little jungly patch and then we're on the beach and so i go in and i went in without my dad so i'm just kind of there in this wide open expanse of beach just like sort of alone and like kind of trying to figure out something to do enjoying it but and then i there was this like thread coming out of my bathing suit and it was like a plaid bathing suit so i remember thinking that the thread looked exactly like the plaid it like had the same striations and stuff it was so i just keep pulling at it and i'm and it's and then i realized it's wrapped around me and then i start to really really sting and then and then i keep pulling it and then i realize like i'm wrapped in a in like a little baby and then i i don't know that it was one of the really deadly ones obviously i'm not

dead but but but the signs that i saw that we saw later were like were like warning you know like it was it was a bad sight we should have been there i don't know why it didn't hurt more or like affect me more but the one thing i've never heard about uh jellyfish is if you get one on it don't antagonize it by just pulling at it it was amazing because i think i found the little body was like a baby and but it was this tentacle was so long that was just that's my memory and so i spent the night in a bathtub of of meat tenderizer i remember that was like the thing wow i hesitate to ask but did your dad have to pee on you yeah no but i wanted

to know thank you yeah i mean no that wasn't that that wasn't um on our radar at all, I think. I also don't know if it's actually what you're supposed to do. I feel like I've heard recent things. It's like, that's not what you do. I think, yeah, recently I've also heard that this was maybe a very long con by some people who are looking for excuses to PM people. I went to, that just brought a memory back of, I went to the beach with another family and there was a girl my age and we we wanted to prepare in case we got stung by jellyfish so we decided it was a good idea to to pee in cups yeah have it ready just have it ready just prepared yeah so we then transferred them into bottles and they were just laying you

know our families had like this like little tent on the beach and that this just looks like apple juice or something and we got in so much trouble oh nobody drank it no nobody drank it i feel like you were just prepared for yeah a horrible eventuality and had something gone wrong. There's a little bottle of pee. To this day. Just in case. I will say we went to the beach this summer with the kids, and someone, like an adult, walked over, a friend of my in-laws, and said, oh, I heard there's jellyfish.

And I just was like, buddy, now my kids aren't going gonna go in the water for the next month just keep it to yourself yeah that actually brings up a memory for me my mom she's passed away but this is an odd thing to say but she had like moments of clairvoyance and there was a trip so we went to a we were going to a little island offshore island called Gilligan's Island and we were like pulling out of our condo. And my mom made my dad turn around and go back. And he was like, very frustrated. We had to catch a boat. And he was like, why? And she's like, I left something upstairs. And he was like, Farinaz, we're going to be late. And she was

like, I have to get it. I have to get it. So she goes upstairs and she comes down with a bottle of rubbing alcohol. And my dad is like going to lose his mind. He's like, why do you need rubbing alcohol for the beach? She's like, I don't know. I just had a feeling I needed to bring rubbing alcohol. My dad is like in a bad mood on the drive to this island. We make it. There's like, why do you need rubbing alcohol for the beach? She's like, I don't know. I just had a feeling I needed to bring rubbing alcohol. My dad is like in a bad mood on the drive to this island. We make it. There's like a part of the water that has, I think, mangroves. So it's like bamboo trunks in the water.

And it had a strong current. And I was trying to swim against the current. And I got really tired. So I go to rest on these mangroves. And basically, it's like a hive of jellyfish. So they sting both my legs. And I get paralyzed. I couldn't swim out. And so my sister came in and like swam me out to the shore but basically it was like enough poison that it could have caused severe damage but the rubbing alcohol

like helped uh heal the poison so it was extremely painful like she poured the rubbing alcohol over my legs before we could make it back to the main island to go to a hospital um but it like prevented my legs from some sort of like major damage. The fact that she had brought that rubbing alcohol. Oh, yeah. That's incredible. It was very strange. Yeah.

Did it get to a point where if she ran back in the house to get something, you would then know what the disaster would be? Like, why didn't you just tell me not to rest at the mangroves? Yeah, exactly. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Hi, Pajji. Hi, Sufi. I'm very excited because the holiday season is coming up.

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But we got like a hard top and we got to the car rental place near the airport and we popped the roof off and started driving and instantly it started teeming rain. And it was we were soaked. The interior of the car was soaked and we had to like pull over and like sloppily try to put this roof back on. Did not know what we were soaked. The interior of the car was soaked. And we had to pull over and sloppily try to put this roof back on. Did not know what we were doing. And it was like, oh, I got burned by this. I should have taken the sedan. Yeah. I'm pretty sure we had the same thing.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I can recall. I can just have a sense memory of my dad swearing as he tries to figure out the rubber windows, the plastic windows. Yeah. Oh, yeah oh yeah the rubber that's so funny i do feel like at the hertz in honolulu they call the wrangler the sucker like so they just know they're like we'll get some sucker in the wrangler they're mr hawaii yeah all right so that was your one trip. Oh, I should say real quick because you mentioned it,

the working for an airline and getting the standby tickets. So we had a cousin, right, who worked for American Airlines. And I was living in Amsterdam, and this used to happen a lot. But Josh flew over on one of these tickets to visit me. And then for, I want to say, five days, you would go to the airport to fly standby and then just not get on the plane. Yeah, I wasn't getting on the plane. My girlfriend at the time, like a college girlfriend, I want to say I was still in college, was coming to visit our parents. Like she was going to come stay with me in our house. And eventually she was there.

Like she was going to come stay with me in our house. And eventually she was there. And my parents were like, we have to just buy you a ticket. We can't keep waiting for you to make it on standby for this $50. It was like, it was insanely cheap. And if it works, it's amazing. But when it doesn't work and you keep going to the airport. What a nightmare.

And then your girlfriend is hanging out with your parents alone. Is that why you broke up? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it was a factor. Didn't help. My parents are great. You don't want to spend, if you're dating one of us, you don't want to spend three straight days with our parents without one of us around. Your parents seem amazing.

Yeah, they do. Our parents are amazing. Yeah, they're great. We're bracing ourselves because every year on my show, bracing makes it sound negative. But there's some truth to it. So every year for Thanksgiving, it's very hard to get talk show guests on Thanksgiving for obvious reasons. And so since the first year of our show, the guests on our show have been my parents and Josh. And every year people are like, are they going to do it again? And I was like, do you know how uncomfortable the conversation would be

if I had to tell my parents you're not going to be on the show this year? They've come to expect it. They're going to be on forever. They also, like, you get paid sort of the SAG minimum or whatever it is. It's like $1,200 to be on a talk show. And my mom is so excited to get that check in the mail. I would be too. Yeah.

And then they rerun it and you get like 800 for that. And she calls herself an heiress. And she says they contribute to her heiress funds. Yeah. She talks about the $2,000 like she lives off it all year. That's really sweet. We've got a lot to deal about that. All right. So you had one to why? Do you have another one, Penn, that you remembered?

Again, we lived in Washington State at this point in this phase. And by the way, shortly after this period, my parents were divorced and then I would move to LA with my mom and basically start working. And then the only time I would travel again was for work, you know, like once I was in my twenties. So we rented an RV, like a small RV and drove around the, um, the Olympic peninsula in Washington state. And, and I recall, you know, meeting all these different families at different lakes. There's not a lot I can recall, but it was like, families at different lakes there's not a lot i can recall but it was like you know i would say the morale and the environment my parents were able to foster on a trip it was the bar was low like the bar the bar you know the bar was very low so it just it just i think and i was an only child you know yeah so it was it's just one of these things where like we just were not a family

that did this and it didn't it just didn't work well for us. Do you think there was an expectation going into it, which is, you know what? I think if we do this RV thing, which is a very stereotypically American vacation, everything's going to click together. And the three of us are going to be our best selves. And how quickly on the trip do you think everybody realized that wasn't going to be the case? I think getting into the rv i think it was like like an rv an rv is uh you know what i think it's my mom was selling rvs at this point my mom was always

i'm not kidding like she so so my mom was very successful as a broker in the 80s and like late 70s on Wall Street. She was like, she proved to have this like quality to be able to sell, you know? And so once we were a family, she would just constantly be finding a relatively short-term job to sell things. And so the same summer, I'm pretty sure she was selling Nescafe. So we would like drive around in our conversion van and like it was was she were we like door-to-door selling nescafe i don't know why we had a car full of nescafe and why we were always driving around no so so then so then but

then this rv is different um okay because i'm pretty sure the nescafe would have been like a part-time thing uh uh the r, she sold RVs for a while. And I think that was why we were able to rent one. It was like, you know, super cheap. It was like driving around the three hour radius of our backyard, you know, in the Northwest. And, you know, it actually very beautiful. Like I have really kind of special potent memories of like the incredible beauty of Washington State. But it's like, you know, kind of like a sad kid alone in the woods.

That kind of beautiful, not like, um, ha ha. Like sort of like indie music beautiful. Yes. Yeah. I feel like so much of my early like tween age hood is me wanting to be a character in a movie like that or like i remember we we moved to a new house at one point and i was alone what do you like i would imagine myself white corduroy shorts chubby little chubby like was there any part of you that was like this is this is cool like to be kind of like

moody in the woods no i would say i mean you know me well enough to like physically i am a naturally very pretty skinny person like it's hard for me to gain weight i would say the fact that i got chubby was not just the like pre-hormonal stage. I'd say, you know, it was like, I was going through a phase of depression as a, this is why we have our show. This is what I bring to our show. Because we talk about, you know.

Depression and miseries. Yeah, exactly. The misery alt. It wasn't all bad. You have that Quicksilver wallet. That was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I mean, it's like, it's, again, it's easy to recall the very special, I think what you're trying to bring out, Sophie, is like, there were things that I loved and could really appreciate, but it wasn't light. It just wasn't light. And it was, you know, I did love, like, music was an incredible solace. And I do think actually the outdoors in Washington State was an incredible solace and and i do think actually the outdoors um in washington

state was was an incredible solace what were you listening to like what genre where were you and were you listening when you were in a car were you with your parents did you have to like listen on headphones yeah yeah disc man or a yeah disc man then i would have been listening to mostly rap and and jazz i really got into jazz at that age it's funny jazz makes sense but because you said you liked music in the outdoors like rap and the outdoors don't seem like it's very fun like I just like to put on some rap yeah just like go you know connect with nature and watch the sunset here's what I actually loved about rap was the samples you know and and at that age you know you're not

exactly gonna understand how to read the liner notes and find the samples and all that stuff and go back to the isley brothers or whatever but that is really what i was loving and then you know the the conscious rap that would come out a bit later i really loved and was really moving but i hear you i mean you know puff daddy no way out was um yeah it's not like a it's not like a northwest rainforest soundtrack but it is the only record i can really recall there's also genuine i had a friend who tried to get me to nine inch nails uh and i just couldn't do it yeah that's true because you were i mean you actually were part of or near enough to a musical moment that was happening.

Yeah, oh, definitely. Yeah, definitely, Nirvana and all that. But I just, I couldn't get into rock. I really didn't like, I just was really all like rap and jazz. That was another weird thing about our family is we collectively agreed on the music. That's awesome. What kind of music were you guys listening to on your family trips?

I think, you know, John Prine is a musician, sort of a singer-songwriter from, you know, Folky. And we listened to a lot of that and Bob Dylan. We listened to one Stevie Winwood album. Steve Winwood. Yeah, but he was a, I consider him family, so he, Stevie. It's Stevie Winwood and Steve Nicks, right? Am I getting that right?

That's exactly it. Yeah, Back in the High Life. Back in the High Life, that was big. Anita Baker, we listened to a lot of Anita Baker. Yeah, that Rapture album, because we had vinyl. And our mother would always play an album when she was cooking. She doesn't know how to create Spotify playlists, and she has Spotify, and she has Sonos. So I have her login details, and I will log in as her and try and add

playlists to her playlists now. Aw. So sweet. This is an album that I know you like, and I'm not trying to throw her new music. I'm like, album that I know you like. And I'm not trying to throw her new music. I'm like, here, this has Annie Lennox and Bette Midler. And I've created sort of like a diva playlist for you. Or this is like Florence and the Machine, who I know she has said that she likes. And I try to feed her things that she will be able to play. And I hope she's listening to them. Josh is so much better at this than me. Josh tries very hard to enrich my my parents life and help them through things like technology

whereas I have no patience when my mom shows me your phone and asked me to help first of all the font on the text is so big it's like one word it's like can you read this email and I'm like you're just like scrolling forever because it's just crazy. So Josh is far better that way. I mean, I know I'm wearing glasses now. It helps me to see all of you, but I don't think my font is that big. And occasionally people will look at my phone and be like, whoa. And I'm like, what? Like, that's not a whoa, is it? Yeah. You have like a special empathy for your parents that yeah doesn't have yeah my my mother's uh iphone is is like a portal for chaos because she's a bit hard of hearing and so

the the ringer is so loud and it flashes and it buzzes and then and then like say if she's with my three-year-old i'll like maybe go grab it and then i do the same thing i open it it's so bright the text is so large and then i see her inbox and it's like mom you are subscribed to to literally probably over 100 you know i mean i'm just like she is being preyed upon by all the digital forces and it's just chaos and i'm like mama how do you deal with this how on earth are you dealing with this i think she's just trying to, she's just trying to pay it forward for years. She was knocking on doors,

selling Nescafe. She's like, this is, you know what? I get it. These bots, listen, these bots are trying.

Yeah, they're trying. And I was out there, I was pounding the pavement back in the day. I'm trying to say which one of your parents sounds more like they were in the CIA. Penn, who vaguely knows what his mom was doing? Or Navo, that's a good cover story. Like the amount of places you were, it's like that.

Oh, no, no, no. Sophie, right? You were the one. Sophie. Yeah. Unicef was a great cover. Yeah. I think it sounds so sweet. We're doing it for the children. No, yeah. I was just going to say that my mom is actually very tech savvy, but then she's recently been sending me reels, so many reels. She just sends them all day and then she'll call me. Did you watch my reels? I'm like, no, not yet. But the other day she sent me on Instagram, she sent me a link to a Facebook video, like a Facebook version of a reel. I was like, okay, it's starting to get, she's starting to lose it. It's like she's, she's gone from tech savvy. She's starting to devolve a little bit. Yeah. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our

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I do. A balcony hot tub. If you had told me, does Amsterdam have hot tubs, I would have said, that's insane. You're crazy. You know, and I think every now and then you get an Airbnb for the extra space, maybe for a little backyard. But also don't underestimate getting an Airbnb

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I have this weird thing. So again, I have three kids, so I think I should be the really busy one. Our mom and dad are so busy. I call them so i think i should be the really busy one our mom and dad are so busy i call them they answer five percent of the time and then when they do answer they're always either at a dinner or to go and they're always like hi i can't talk i'm like all right geez louise it sounds sad when that happens i get them on the phone pretty regularly and pretty easy so we're starting to see a narrative actually sometimes my dad will call me by accident or i'll just see a missed call and then i'll call him back and he'll be upset at me he's like i'm

busy right now and i'm like i'm literally returning your call he's like i didn't call you it happens some i think like once a week that happens. Nava and her dad are really charming together. They're very, very funny. The way they sort of like bicker and joke is. Nava, why do you call him, you alternate between like dad, daddy and Tommy, right? Yeah. Which I find interesting. It's like, I'm not, and there's a it seems to be like a an intuitive use behind each one or something i don't know when i call him tommy in his presence he hates it so i have to i'm trying to unlearn it when i'm thinking of him as like being particularly a character he's tommy and like tommy's such a character so when i'm telling a story where he's being like such a character i refer to him as tommy yeah that's really great and he tells jokes like um and I mean this in a good way like he like

he's a hundred years old like he's from a different time he's from a completely different time and he really gets into it it's so incredibly charming so I you know again and I'm of comedy and yet people kids sometimes will hear like their parents will say oh Seth it's a comedian and they'll come and go tell me a joke and I have no jokes I mean I you know you need to hang out with Tommy yeah I can say I can text you some Seth but that's what I mean like I gotta learn because there's I feel like a previous generation is like they always had a hundred jokes yeah they're like what do you need give me a topic wait can I ask you a question I don't know if I should wait for our podcast but you mentioned you have three kids yeah I know the birth story of two of them.

Yes. How quickly did the third one come? Oh, great question. Yeah, almost an Uber, fully the lobby. And then because of that, our baby daughter was a planned home birth. So she was born in the bathtub. Basically, the doorman said, we don't want to see you. Stay up there.

Don't come down until your child is a week old you can press the button for the elevator and the elevator is not coming it's not coming but i should say and i know this is probably not the reason but all of our kids have the vibe of where they were born like the middle one if you said which one of these do you think was born in the lobby like you'd be like oh that lunatic He's the one with the zingers? Yeah, he's the zingers. And our daughter is the chillest because she's never been in a hospital, right?

She never had to be around those blinking lights and all that. That chaos that I think as a parent, especially with your first kid, you like knowing that a nurse is going to come by every hour, but I'm sure the kid hates it. And so our baby daughter was born and just lied down next to my wife. She was born at 10 o'clock at night, then just slept through the night.

Our boys woke up, and it was like Christmas had delivered. We're like, I walked in. I'm like, yeah, I got something to show you. And they just got to walk into our bedroom and see this baby. It was the best. That is amazing. Wow. That actually amazing. Wow. That actually is so interesting.

My sister just had her second baby, and her second birth was a home birth. And that baby's way chiller. Yeah. So I think there's something to that. There is something to it. I wouldn't have had the guts to do it first. I think the order you want to do it is definitely hospital, then lobby. Lobby's definitely number two. Because after lobby, when your wife's like, I want to do it is definitely hospital uh then lobby lobby's definitely number two because after lobby when your wife's like i want to do it in a bathtub

i'm like do it wherever the fuck you want as long as it's not that's so funny pen i have a question about uh so you have a stepson you mentioned and you have a son three yeah yeah big gap but have you gone on vacations with both of them well so miami was the first time we went on a vacation together because covid was you know so like my work takes me to enough places where i don't feel like i'm deprived of travel right but but if i really think about it i've almost never gone on vacation you know i did it once when i was on gossip girl and it was insane went to like india and thailand and the maldives and it was like so phenomenally expensive and i was kind of like yeah i can't do that again how long a trip was it did you like

really take a big chunk and now it was still only like it was 13 days that's i mean it was a big chunk but i wasn't gone for like you know a month or something so yeah miami was the first was the first one and i think maybe that was why it was nice. We all went as a family. Some cousins joined us. And it was just not remotely relaxing with children around. But it's restorative. It's something else.

Yeah. We did when our kids were, I want to say, four and two. We went to Miami. So we just had the two. And it was the same thing. It was like either February or March, leaving New York, easy flight, spent the whole time at a pool in a hotel. And I just said to my wife, this is it. We should never go farther than Florida. And she's like, I agree. This is so easy. And then the next year, my wife was like, I want to go to Uruguay. And so not only, I thought we'd crack the code with Florida, but the next year we had

to go to Uruguay. And which if you can make it there is exceptional. I cannot recommend it enough, but it is not an easy trip. And you also had a flight get canceled and didn't you have to spend a night in the Miami airport? Yeah, we went nearby hotel. The plan to go to Uruguay, because it's the same time zone. So you want to fly it. It's like a long flight, but at night, no jet lag. So we left New York at 6, landed at Miami at 9, and we were supposed to get on a flight at 10 to Uruguay that would land at like 10 a.m. And we were like, great, the kids will sleep the whole flight. Landed Miami, and they said, your flight's been delayed 12 hours, which is the worst number of hours. Yeah. Because now you have to sleep in a hotel and then wake up and your kids are up for a 12-hour flight. And how old are they again? They were two and four.

And it's the most tired I've ever been. Also, it was March, and the only song my four-year-old wanted to hear, he wanted us to play music to help him fall asleep, and it was an Alvin and the Chipmunks Christmas album, which is not what you ever want to hear he wanted us to play music to help him fall asleep and it was uh an album in the chipmunks christmas album which is not what you ever want to hear i love that album we love it yeah it's actually on your mom's playlist yeah yeah it's good you know if you're ever in the pacific northwest just walk if you're a if you're a sad preteen yeah i'm really remembering through the woods and so but the other thing was i was was so tired and we were going back to the airport. I had a stroller that Axel, the two-year-old was in.

And I looked down and he wasn't in the stroller. Oh. And we were getting onto the shuttle to go back to the airport. And I said to my wife, I don't know where Axel is. And she said, you're holding him. Oh, yeah. And I was so tired. And I was so, and I you're holding him. Oh, yeah. And I was so tired. And I was so, and I remember looking at him

and I wasn't even relieved. I couldn't even like generate relief. I'm like, okay, well, call off the dogs. Yeah. I definitely in the last year recall a moment like that. I was looking for my son and was holding him. Is your stepson helpful at all as an extra pair of almost adult hands? I mean, if he wasn't helpful at all, he'd literally be resisting the human urge to be loving and kind.

So no, he's not not helpful at all. He could be more helpful. He could definitely be more helpful. But like you could leave your baby by a pool, say, and have your stepson be like, just watch him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. For sure.

If you had to run to the bathroom, not if like, I'm going to go see a movie. I got left at a party recently with a two-year-old, with an almost two-year-old. And it was so fun to just sort of sit with her at this table. There was a lot going on, but her mother had to go get some water for the baby. And she said, can you watch her? And I was like, of course. And I don't have a ton of experience talking to kids.

And I just spoke to her like an adult. It was a baby shower. I don't have a ton of experience talking to kids. And I just spoke to her like an adult. And it was a baby shower. And I said, do you know that Ruth is going to have a baby? And she said, yes. And I was like, OK, great. That's fun, isn't it? She said, yes.

And she pointed at a balloon. I was like, those are balloons. And she said, yes. But we didn't really get into it. But it was. No, I think you did. She's the next guest on family trips. Yeah. Josh is very good at small talk.

She was standing on a chair and I just had my arms around her to make sure she didn't fall off of it. And there were other mothers around who were sort of clocking that I was awkwardly dealing with this child. And they were like, you did good. And I was like, oh, thanks. I had friends of mine wrote this really good movie called Dumb Money, Lauren and Rebecca. And our talk show right now, because of the SAG strike, we obviously can't have actors on promoting SAG work. And so we're getting creative.

And they came on the show. And I've been at their houses, at their respective houses for things like barbecues and they were saying, it's so nice to see that you actually see you working because all we ever see you doing

is like chasing a kid around a lawn. And I was like, so nice. I was like, isn't that nice? I'm actually, yeah, there's one place on earth where I'm a big deal. And the rest of the time i'm just chasing little these little dicks around yeah but that right i totally get what you mean i

mean like i'm i'm like a full-time part-time dad and it's it's uh it's i think it's as hard as it can be it's it's what keeps you sane it is it. It absolutely keeps you sane. It is. With that said, when the writer's strike ended and I got to go back to an office with a door, I wasn't unhappy. There's a study in a country outside the U.S. I can't remember which country. But basically, dads wanted their wives to have like three kids and the wives wanted to have two. It was something along the lines. Basically, the men wanted the wives to have one more kid than the women did. And then in this study, the men were asked to like really be full time with the kids

while the wives went off and did other things. And it wasn't like normal in that culture. And then almost all of the men were like, no, just two. Like they all changed their mind about wanting an extra kid. Although I've been saying, I think going from two to three is weirdly easier because like there's, you have nothing left to give. Like there's nothing, what else? Like, no, there's no change in my life from being a father of two to a father of three. Yeah. And it was during, you know, the third one we decided to have during

the pandemic. And I think we were like, you know what, if there's ever another pandemic, it'll nice to have another set of hands in the house when we aren't allowed to go out for labor, just for just for cheap labor. Yeah. All right. So Josh now is going to ask our question. And this is I think these are going to be based on how interesting some not pen some of your lives have been. These questions are going to be better than usual. All right. So, Josh, fire away. Yeah.

So, I guess we'll go, if we can answer these in order. We'll see how we'll feel it out. But if you can only pick one, is your ideal vacation, is it relaxing, adventurous, or educational? Let's start with you, Nava. Let's go Nava, Sophie, Penn. Relaxing. Relaxing, 100%. i'd say adventurous because with kids right now they're not going to be relaxing plus we all know that based on your construct

theory what's restorative what is your favorite means of transportation a train plane automobile boat bike other train plane just because you can get to such cool places. Yeah. If you're with family, train. Train. Yeah, it's just something about it's more manageable. Trains are great. If you could take a family vacation with any family other than your own family,

which family would it be? Does it have to be one of their families? No, no, no. I actually think it's your family this tommy sounds like he wasn't going to choose mine it could be fictional it could be fictional as well it could be uh that's a great question from historical well a family about kids based on everything oh wait that's a really good question i have to think about it i i mean honestly i would almost want to say the myers family it sounds to me you wouldn't regret it we'd love to have you

yeah i want to go with you guys to japan so yeah you'll join us for that great great exciting all right and sophie we yeah we've got too many people with us for our Myers family trip to Tokyo. So if there's another family that you'd like to go to. This is like really a theme. I was just telling them on an episode we had, we recorded a couple days ago, that I'm like the nub of the family. And that's like the joke. And it's ha-ha. It's very funny.

But it's not. I'm very important. And you need to acknowledge it. And this episode has just confirmed it. Not only in my own family, in my Podgrush family. Barely friends with Penn. Not invited on the family vacation.

Actually, we have room. We have room. I've looked and we do. Yeah. There's a roll away. There's a roll away that we can get. Oh, yeah.

If you don't mind. I think, Sophie, this is kind of like when, you know, if there's a fight at every bar you go to, you're the asshole. So like maybe you're the nub. You know, you're just you're you're the one creating the dynamic here. I don't know. Just just just a thought. I can't think of any families.

The only family I can think of in my head are the families in Modern Family. I think I would choose one of them. I love that show that show yeah that's that's yeah it's a good family i mean yeah it'd be it'd be wacky yeah you know something something would happen if you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family who would it be okay my nephew i have a nephew named zane it's probably quite cruel to take him away from my sister but he's so funny and fun we would die we would perish immediately but i would bring zane it would just be a great time for the five days that we're together i like you're the first person who has seen this question where you think in the hypothetical of this you are taking the person with you hey zane want. Yeah, I know.

Hey, Zane, want to go be stranded and die? You're responsible for bringing them to basically be your company. Yeah. Definitely my mom. She would just provide so much entertainment. We can talk for hours. It'd have to be her. Helen. Great.

Congrats, Helen. Can I say my wife? You can. Yeah, you can. Oh be her, Helen. Great. Congrats, Helen. Can I say my wife? You can. Yeah, you can. Sorry, David. David did not register a blip. The speed at which she said Helen. Didn't hesitate.

And then, Nava, you're from San Juan, as you consider that your hometown. Yeah. So Nava, you're from San Juan, as you consider that your hometown. Yeah. Would you recommend that as a vacation destination for a family trip? A hundred percent. I mean, I would broaden it to Puerto Rico. And if you want to go, I can help you plan your vacation. I spent a year there during the pandemic.

Like I went back and it was the best year of my life. I loved it. And I just rediscovered how gorgeous Puerto Rico is. And you use the beach so much. I went to the beach every day. I made up for my childhood of neglect. I literally went- To that beach? Like to the one you never went to as a child? Yeah. I walked on it every single day. I don't think-

Murky beach? I think I missed one day the whole year. And you would tell people, you're like, I grew up here. And they're like, how come we're just seeing you now? First time. Sophie, what do you consider as your hometown where you're from since you bounced around? Is it Beijing? Yeah, I guess I could say Beijing.

I would recommend Beijing as a place to visit only if you know people who live there. I don't think you should go purely as a tourist. Or if you would have answered educational to the first question then go to beijing yeah that's very good and pen where's your it's tacoma that it was it was not tacoma actually that was just like the closest town it was it was tiger mountain it was like this mountain where we live tiger mountain sounds like a amusement park ride yeah but probably not that much fun but i bet it's beautiful would you recommend tiger mountain as a vacation destination it wouldn't make sense as a vacation destination but i would

say the northwest if you go to places on the olympic peninsula i mean there are there are rainforests that are like dripping in moss and it's gorgeous i mean it is it is a really really really stunning natural beauty the ocean there is it's very cold so cold that it like makes you sort of shudder as you get in and out but i mean the beaches they're stony but again gorgeous it's like a it's like a severe beauty but you know olympic peninsula seattle, that whole, it's very special. All right, great. All right. I like that you guys kind of went three for three.

It does happen where people are like, absolutely not. Don't know. Hard no. All right, and then Seth has our finishing questions. First part of this two-part maybe question, have you been to the Grand Canyon? I lived in Arizona for a couple years, so every time anyone would come visit me. So I've been more times than I care to. Okay.

I have been once just recently, like a few months ago, I went to the Grand Canyon. I have only been once. I went when our littlest was three months old. We were driving across country during COVID to go shoot the third season of my show. So it was a little chaotic. It was stunning.

I could not believe it. Okay, because that was the follow-up is, is it worth it? Yes. Yes? Absolutely not. I actually was like,

this is crazy. I think absolutely not. I really, that's like my hot take is the grand can we we did go to the north rim which i hear is not like the best part to go to um but it's like novice beach yeah it's the novice beach of arizona or the great yeah it'sky. We went on a road trip in the Southwest and the Southwest has so much to offer and there was so many cooler things. But we did find at the trailhead, the bathroom, someone had left their gun, fully loaded gun.

Whoa. In the bathroom, just like at waist height. Wow. That was the only interesting thing that happened at the Grand Canyon. Oh my gosh. How long did you spend there a couple not in the bathroom but with the gun it a couple hours a couple hours but I just think there's so many beautiful places Bryce Canyon stunning yeah um Lake Powell incredible so many beautiful parts the Grand Canyon's not on my top this is the worst answer for the Grand Canyon's PR pr no just for the grand canyons because you're the fact that you're pro canyon just not the grand canyon you're like look i don't dislike canyons it's true just if you're

gonna check one out bryce is the canyon but i really i i just like my experience was so different i was blown away i mean like i feel like i had never seen a vista so extremely grand and my eyesight felt like it was like uh i it was like psychedelic to me i thought it was just crazy crazy beautiful we were also there by the way for sunrise well also we've confirmed that you've not gone anywhere in your entire life. Miami and the Grand Canyon are the two most amazing. It's time to get out then. Well, it's also true when he's like, I don't know, Miami's great. There's a horizon.

You're like, where have you been? It's like you don't only have to stare at a wall. There's actually like a sky. I'm so happy that at the grand canyon there were no jellyfish yeah yeah so nava you've been the most i've been the most i think it's worth it in two ways as part of like a stop as part of another tour of arizona like sedona is beautiful so like just do it all in a day or do one of those like hiking trips in the Grand Canyon where you like go down and you see all these like lakes and things that other people don't see, but you have to be quite fit to do those. I would say it's worth it. Great. Those are great answers.

You know, I should say, I can clarify. I'll just, I'll just say, I was not expecting. I don't want to be the only one who's like pro, pro, pro. No, no, no, no. I was not expecting it. It was not a trip we took to go there. So you know how the context can make such a huge difference? Yeah. Right. We were slogging across the country during the pandemic with our whole family and our two dogs. Yeah.

This is a huge walk back happening right now. No, no, no. So all I'm saying is like maybe that contributed to my, I was just, I mean, I was truly, I couldn't even, I was for days, if anybody asked me i was like have you been to the grand canyon it's okay that you loved it pen it's okay it sounds like what pen saying is it's worth going to it if it's by accident try try not to know what you're about to see you're right this is such a delight Nava

Penn Sophie the Podcrush team it's been so wonderful talking to you guys yeah thank you and we're very much looking forward to

talking to you as well yeah thank you for having us thank you this was so fun no thank you alright bye guys

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bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye No, thank you. All right. Bye, guys. Bye. See you soon. Bye. Bye. Ooh, Nava Penn and Sophie. Sophie traveled all around the world. In the end, she's just a staples girl Target and Best Buy were such a win Eating Betty Crocker from the tin

Meanwhile Nava was down in Puerto Rico Lived on the beach but the water was too murky So they drove to a different beach To the whole other coast And now with Penn they hold Pod crushed, crushed Penn and Nava, David and Sophie Pod crushed, crushed Not really David, actually

Are crushed, crushed I mean, he works behind the scenes Are crushed, crushed Ooh, didn't take it personally Back when Penn was just a chubby boy With his shorts made out of corduroy Quicksilver wallet so cool with the chain He went swimming but there was some pain He reached down, pulled a string, and then he felt a sting.

Because that string, don't you know, it wasn't his. It belonged to a jellyfish. Just a baby one, but still not super fun. I crushed, crushed. Hurry someone, get pens and pee. Pod crushed, crushed Hurry someone get pens and pee Pod crushed, crushed There are cups over there filled by Sophie Pod crushed, crushed

He used me tenderizer actually Vacations are a construct, struct Yeah, let's spend some Puff Daddy Thank you to Airbnb for sponsoring this episode. Here we go