Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - RIZ AHMED Has a Real Life Heist Story

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

Riz Ahmed joins Seth and Josh on the podcast this week! Riz talks all about moving from Pakistan to England, how his family felt about his pursuit of a career in the arts, his rapping career, what it was like for him gaining recognition after a few films, his thoughts on amusement parks, losing all his belongings to a robbery, his wife becoming a “private investigator” to get a prized possession back, and so much more! Watch more Family Trips episodes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlqYOfxU_jQem4_NRJPM8_wLBrEEQ17B6 Family Trips is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Theme song written and performed by Jeff Tweedy. ------------------------- Support our sponsors: Visit Baltimore Baltimore is just a short drive or train ride from New York, Philly, and D.C. Plan your visit today at Baltimore.org Baltimore: You won’t get it ‘til you get here!” Naked Wines Head to NakedWines.com/TRIPS, click ‘Enter Voucher’ and put in my code TRIPS for both the code AND password for 6 bottles of wine for JUST $39.99 with shipping included. Uplift Desk Elevate your workspace with UPLIFT Desk. Go to https://upliftdesk.com/trips for a special offer exclusive to our audience. Blueland Blueland has a special offer for listeners. Right now, get 15% off your first order by going to Blueland.com/trips DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to joindeleteme.com/TRIPS and use promo code TRIPS at checkout. ------------------------- About the Show: Lifelong brothers Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers ask guests to relive childhood memories, unforgettable family trips, and other disasters! New Episodes of Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers are available every Tuesday. ------------------------- Executive Producers: Rob Holysz, Jeph Porter, Natalie Holysz Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Coordinating Producer: Derek Johnson Video Editor: Josh Windisch Mix & Master: Josh Windisch Episode Artwork: Analise Jorgensen #familytrips #sethmeyers #joshmeyers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey Pashi. Hey Sufi. How are you? I'm good. How's your summer going? It's good. I mean, you know, we have that trip to Amsterdam, which was just great.

Fantastic. Then I had that trip to Las Vegas. And now I've just got like six weeks in LA before the next thing happens. And the weather's been great. We've been having these nice gray mornings that I'm a big fan of. And yeah, I'm just enjoying being home.

You know, we did that special live episode in Amsterdam and I'm really glad everybody had a chance to finally see it. Yeah. Mom and dad got a chance to see it as well. Oh yeah, dad texted us on the family text thread and he said, watched that podcast, it's the first time we've watched on video.

And that was the end of the comment. And then I made, I don't know if it was the mistake. Terrible mistake. I almost side texted you to say, what are you thinking? And you want to tell everyone what I texted? Yeah, you said, what did you think? Yeah. Which is a little bit like Pandora saying,

I wonder what's in this little box. Here's the thing, I wanna just start with the positives. Sure. You know what, I'm gonna end with the positives, because it's not my place to give us notes via dad on our own podcast. He thought he and mom were the best. He said, I mean,

should I just read what he wrote? Well, I don't want a shade to get thrown on our other guests. Okay, well. Okay then. Yeah, he thought they were the best. But I did echo back to mom and dad. Not echo back, but I did say, I've never,

in over 1600 episodes of Late Night, not once has one of the guests come over and told me what they thought of the other guests. Yeah. Again, these are friends of theirs. Yeah, but he's reviewing it as a consumer. Dad's very good at stepping out of, he can wear two hats.

Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't usually wear hats. He says if you wear hats, you'll go bald. So he likes to wear a visor when he golfs. Very lovely head of hair. He does have a good head of hair. I will say like, I long was sort of waiting,

sitting in wait of dad going bald. So I can say, haha, I guess your hat plan didn't work. But yeah, he's got a nice head of hair. He's got lots of plans and theories. Anytime he's sick, he just eats white food. Yeah. And no doctor has ever said that. No, yeah, it's like toast.

Rice is a big thing he thinks he should eat. I feel like potatoes. I feel like- Potatoes. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think any doctors ever said that for anything. Yeah.

I would say in general, a doctor would say like, you've got to cut out white foods. Yeah. Dad used to always, every time I would try to stay home, which was effective. I stayed home from school all the time. Right, just being like, I got a quiz or something, or I just don't wanna go.

Yeah, but I'd be like, I got a quiz or something. Yeah, but I got a sore throat and he would say, come downstairs, you have to have some tea and toast and you'll feel better. But I had a great game plan, which is he had such a long commute to Boston that I would, like just, he would have to leave before I would have to leave to go to actual school. Right.

And so I just knew if I could run out the clock and he had to get in the car, then I would have to leave to go to actual school. Right. And so I just knew if I could run out the clock and he had to get in the car, then I would just turn to mom and I'd be like, the tea and toast isn't taken. Didn't work. I gave it the best effort I could, but it's a no-go. Yeah, and she was very sympathetic to any discomfort

we were experiencing. Mom is one of the, I believe the only teacher who ever retired in New Hampshire that had no hold over sick days. She took them all. She took them all. They were usually, they were like, we can't believe it. We thought the accounting was wrong,

but it turns out you took, she thought those were, she did not think those were to be saved for a medical crisis. She believed those were hers to do with as she pleased and one of the things she pleased to do was stay home with her children. Yeah. Yeah. Quick note about the songs on the pod. Oh, what is it? I mentioned in an intro, I feel like I was maybe a little bit grumpy, but I was like, you know, I record these things and I put them on video and like 300 people watch them, which I'm thankful to those 300 people for watching them.

If they weren't doing it, then I would definitely not be doing it anymore. But then the numbers uptick pretty significantly because people were like, have said in the comments, we didn't know these were here. Yeah, that's good. Sometimes it's, you know, I think ultimately you were not at fault for telling people it was there.

We just preferred if you'd be a little bit less grumpy about it. Yeah. And that I think is- I could be less grumpy about a lot of things. I think so. That's some feedback you could take with you. Yeah. Sort of anywhere you go.

Yeah. I hosted a charity function this weekend. Mm-hmm. And I feel as though this shows a lot of growth for me. Just doing anything for charity? No, I feel like I've been there for a while, and also I don't appreciate the way you said that. But the kids were there, and they, Addy, again, couldn't be cuter, kept coming up on stage. First time, so cute.

Second, third, fourth time, diminishing returns, not her fault. Right. But at the same time, I was like, what am I going to do about it? You just got to go with the flow. Yeah. You know what I mean? I know it's not the best,

but it's better than me sort of being unhappy on stage. You know, we're out here for a good cause. Yeah, you didn't like snap at Alexi to be like, get her. Get her off the stage. Right, that was all my inside voice. And then, but then, like the fifth time she came up, I had just said one of the auction items was, hey, there's going to be this special event every Sunday in August.

And you know, if you win, you get to go to the event, you have preferred seating at the event. And it had been an auction item that my mother-in-law had told me about only an hour earlier. And so I finished the whole intro and then Addie comes up. And again, it's like the fifth time she's coming up. And so, and then she comes over to whisper in my ear. Now I should say a hundred percent of the time she's whispered in my ear up to this moment. She has said poop.

Oh yeah. Well, we FaceTime the other day and she- Yeah, that's like, she just likes to whisper poop to people. I'm hopeful she'll outgrow it, but you know, who knows? Be a bummer if she didn't. But she comes up and she whispers in my ear, like, it was crazy. Again, imagine all you've ever heard is poop

from a, you know, not even four-year-old. And this time they come up and goes, the event has moved to Sundays. No, she goes, the event has moved to Monday. And I'm like, what? And she calls my mother-in-law JoJo. She goes, JoJo wanted me to tell you the event is now Monday. And it was like literally, I couldn't believe it. It was like she was like a stage manager at the Oscars. So now I'm like, now I'm a

little mad, Posh. Yeah. Now there's an auctioneer on stage as well, but I'm like, what? So I get up and I walk all the way down to my mother-in-law. I'm like, the auction item you told me about an hour ago is different than what you told me? She's like, yes. And I go, and you sent Addie to tell me? She's like, yes. But I guess the thing I was, and now as I'm retelling the story, like the takeaway was just Addie crushed it. Just did what she was supposed to do.

I was very, you know, very proud of her. Cause I know like the fact that you know, she wanted to whisper poop, but she realized I have something else to tell him. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, next time she whispers to you,

probably high odds. Yeah. It's gotta be good. Yeah. Riz Ahmed is our guest today. Love this dude. Fantastic actor. There's so many different things you could know him from.

He was on Girls, he was in Rogue One, Sound of Metal, Oscar nominated. Three Lions, is it Three Lions? Four, I believe it's Four Lions. Four Lions, right. Famously Four Lions on the English crest. And also a delightful conversation with this fantastic actor.

Yeah. You got anything else to add, Posh? You ready to get into it? I think we get into it. Let's get into it. People got stuff to do. Let's hear somebody else talk for once. Yeah.

Yeah. Family trips with the Myers Brothers. Family trips with the Myers Brothers. Here we go. Yeah! Hey guys! What's up, guys? I'm excited to talk with you guys. Hey guys, what's up? I'm excited to talk with you guys. I love it.

I mean, long time fan, first time convo for me with you. Yes. Yeah. We sometimes do this thing with guests where before you jump on, we basically realize you've been in seven things we kind of forgot we loved. Like you're so good at just, you're also

one of those actors when I, you're so good that just, you're also one of those actors when I, you're so good that I sometimes think, wait, did Riz lose his hearing? And then I'm like, no, no, that was sound and metal. He just convincingly lost his hearing on camera. Oh man, well listen, it's my goal above all else to be forgotten in movies. So I'm glad you guys have, you know.

Not forgotten. Not forgotten. Not forgotten. You just sometimes you're like, wait, because I mean, I guess, because Four Lions, we didn't, you maybe probably the first time we had seen you, I'm trying to think. Right. And so you sometimes forget like, oh. Yeah, that was back in the day. It's weird because that movie, I mean, that's such a kind of cult classic in the UK,

but that's because it's the humor is so British. So it's a movie that weirdly doesn't travel that well, particularly in America. I remember when it was the first screening for it at Sundance film festival in America. All the Brits in the audience were like cackling. Yeah. You stepped out and the Americans literally like, I was like, so what do you think? And they were like, devastating.

It is. I mean, we loved it. We grew up watching, you know, Masterpiece Theater on PBS with our parents. And then right after that was Monty Python. So from a very young age, we've been sort of mainlining that British humor. British humor. And then there was, I mean, and Chris Morris, who directed it, I remember when I started

at SNL, there were people who had like the different region DVD player at their apartment just so they could watch like Brass Eye, because they weren't, you couldn't even watch it on, this is dating day when you're like, you had to have a different DVD. You could almost not even watch it in the UK because he they got banned. Yeah, they got banned from TV They got pulled off the air when they did the day today. So it was like such an amazing group of people was like Steve Coogan Chris Morris Armando, you knew cheap Patrick Marba and they all kind of cut their teeth on this extremely intensely bizarre kind of cut their teeth on this extremely intensely bizarre, provocative and dark comedy that we probably can't even talk about on this podcast.

Right? Yeah. I mean, we can. You'll lose all your advertisers if we do that. Yeah. Yeah. So you grew up in a suburb of London? That's right.

Yeah. I grew up in Northwest London in Wembley. I think for American listeners, a good kind of analog for that is kind of like Jackson Heights in New York, maybe in Queens. You know, super diverse, immigrant neighborhood, real kind of mix of people and obviously if you're a soccer fan famous from the stadium, which we can hear from you know when we'd be playing soccer in the park, you know as kids we could always hear the fans in Wembley if there was a cup final on. What was the local team for you in Northwest London?

I mean, there's so many London teams, but I guess you could make an argument QPR, because it's Northwest London or Arsenal because it's North London or Chelsea because it's West London. I've got to be honest though, I'm just a troll who doesn't really support anyone. Great. But we'll pick the side that whoever I'm talking to will probably hate the most. Whoever they've just lost to, you know, that kind of thing. That's who you support. Yeah, that's very nice of you to admit that. Because that's not a great quality, Riz.

That's not a great quality. It's a really bad side about who I am. I was like, man. So one sibling, is that right? No, I've got two actually. Yeah. Older brother and an older sister. So I'm the youngest. Gotcha. So not too far apart. It's like five years between me and my sister,

almost three years between me and my brother. But you know, kind of interesting thing happens, I think, in a lot of families, and I think particularly kind of children of immigrants, where there's certain terrain that your parents maybe aren't able to navigate as fluidly. And, and so in a weird way, your siblings kind of become your parents. Yeah. In a way as well, there's certain stuff you can only take to them. Yeah. There's just the kind of gap in experience and frames of reference is just so big that that kind of happens. So, yeah, they're siblings, and they're quite close to me in age, but at different points in my life,

they have been like parents to me, which has, you know, disturbed them massively, but was great for me. You know? Did they embrace it? Do you feel like they appreciated they were going to be better counsel for you than your parents would? Probably not. Yeah, probably not. Yeah, they were. I think it was a, no, no, I mean, in all seriousness, I think that

this probably happens with a lot of siblings, you know, these dynamics are so, um, there's so much more complex. I mean, I feel like in therapy, we talk a lot about what, how your parents shaped you, but actually siblings shape you massively, don't they? Because they have that, they're kind of your closest friends and your worst enemies and your parents all at the same time. Um, and they did did a whole time. Well, also birth order, I've got three and it's realizing how much birth order

will play a role in who they are as people is fascinating to me. Uh, yeah. And what's, how do you think it shaped you? I mean, I went first and, and, uh, I'm the oldest and I think, you know, I'm well-rounded and, you know, whereas Josh is the younger one and he's just, you know, he can't do anything. I saw mistakes not to be made, not to be repeated. Yeah, no, actually, Josh, I weirdly like, there's a lot of times where I feel like Josh is strangely the older brother, even though I've got two years on him. So we might not be the best example.

Yeah, but two years kind of becomes nothing. Two years is nothing. By the time we get to our age, right? When you're like nine and seven, it's like an eternity. But at this point, you know, you guys in your mid-60s now, it means nothing. It really is kind of, it could be any which way. I have to put my filter, my softening filter on if that's what you think, Riz.

How do you blur your foreground on Zoom? That's what I wanna know. I wanna click that button. I want you to see the painting on the wall, but I don't want you to see me at all. Hey, we're gonna take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support for Family Trips comes from Airbnb.

Hey, Bashi. Hey, Sufi. You know, I can't say enough about the trip we just took to Amsterdam, and I can't say enough about just having drawer space. Oh, yeah. Do you want me to say more about this? Yeah, I really do.

You know, when you have a home and you are an Airbnb host, you're basically giving over your home to people who are going to stay there. And your home usually has drawers that are adequate for people who are traveling, even people who are traveling with two suitcases full of gear. And that was the most lovely thing. You just show up, you unpack. Sometimes I feel like when you have limited space, you're living out of your suitcase for a few days and the room just feels a little cluttered and then your mind gets cluttered.

You know, Poshie, how my mind gets cluttered. Mm-hmm. So everything was neat, everything was tidy. And I feel like it was just part of the wonderful experience of being in somebody's home. Yeah, yeah. I also, I mean, I had friends who were out there at the same time as us and they were staying on a houseboat.

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That's right. So did your siblings speak English before you did? It's a highly frustrating situation, Josh. Thank you. We're getting straight to the triggers. I mean, we're older. I'm sorry. Riz, you just told us we looked like we were 60 years old.

We were going to wait another 10 minutes for the triggers. The gloves are off. Yeah. So like my, my, um, wow, super Freudian. I was about to say, my parents obviously went to school before me. But what I meant to say was my siblings obviously went to school before me because they were slightly older. So they would come home and be speaking in English. And I just remember just running around the house going,

ژar me ژurdu, ژar me ژurdu. Which means you have to speak Urdu in the home, which they didn't. But it's kind of, I don't know, I kind of feel like I'm very pleased and very lucky that my parents just spoke to us in Urdu. I don't think it was a conscious choice. It was just the most natural thing for them to speak in. And actually, all my, so many of my formative kind of TV shows and sketch comedy shows in particular that I'd watch were all VHS tapes that had been brought back by someone from Pakistan. Wow. So all my, yeah, those early years, I'd just be like, curled up on the sofa with my mom all winter, just watching

these parks, the Pakistani version of SNL. Yeah, I didn't wait. It's, uh, I, uh, and that was, was that a very popular show? It was, it was a show called 50 50. Okay. And, um, I'm pretty confident that both the obviously the language, but also all the humor would be lost in translation. Right. So don't watch it. But it's yeah, it was, it was just kind of, it was, it was what was really cool about it in a way, which is

it was, you know, it was aimed at adults. Um, but I was just kind of watching it as a kid, you know, uh, me and my mom at home, we were just very close. We were kind of like best friends. Um, and, uh, yeah, I still remember some of those, some of that humor to this day. I just feel like, um, I feel like everyone saw it because it was such a massive part of my upbringing, like, you remember that thing with the... No, no one. No one's seen this. No British Pakistanis of my generation have seen this. It's a very specific, like, early 80s VHS tapes.

It's very funny because I've talked to, you know, I've had a lot of, you know, immigrants that I've interviewed over the years and so many of them have said, like, the leap for them wasn't school, but it was watching English language television. And it's interesting that your mom, in a way, was just like, I'm going to help you develop a very adult Pakistani sense of humor. Like, I'm not going to help you learn English. This is going to set you up for a really easy transition into school. You know when I speak English, all your jokes are going to be musical. They're going to be musical comedy.

So there is that. We know what I really think about it. I don't know when we actually started watching English English TV, because I don't know if you guys know this, but the biggest soap operas, particularly throughout the 80s and 90s in the UK, were Australia. Yeah. So we all just watched Home and Away and Neighbours. Yeah.

And so that was, and the reason for that is because, you know, in Britain, we have this tradition of being miserable. Right. And so when there, no one had a kind of escapist aspiration or soul proper to turn to the way you guys in America, you had Dallas. So when you watch Dallas, and then for a hit of like sunshine and surfing, we'd watch Neighbors and Home and Away. So I didn't really start watching British TV for a very long time. When did like, do you remember EastEnders starting? Like, cause- I remember it, but we just never watched it in my house.

Yeah. We just, but the whole family would sit down and tune into Neigh in home and away. And then when anyone would kiss, you know, the protocol is everyone had to hands over their eyes for a second. And whoever was sat closest to my mom or dad would get a whack for like, how day we don't be behaving, not a big whack. It's just like, what, what do you mean?

So you'd kind of strategically pass the remote to your sibling as the kissing scenes about to start. So they got the blame for what the screenwriters decided would happen. Did you continue to talk Urdu at home with your family? Did it ever, did that switch? Yeah, no. I mean, I guess once you start going to school, you know, it's just extra hassle and you know, math or whatever to do in your head. So yeah, definitely went for many, many years with they'd speak to me or do I'd respond in English.

Now we kind of speak in both, but I think in a way, like one of the cool things about, you know, this job is you get to learn and sometimes relearn things. So I did a movie with Mira Nair in 2011 called the reluctant fundamentalist. And in it, I had to play someone from Pakistan, which is very different to being like British Asian, you know. Yeah. And so I had to really get my Urdu up for that. And, you know, poetry and news and, you know,

really trying to kind of pass myself off as someone who's a native speaker, fluent speaker, that doesn't have an accent and any of that kind of stuff. So I really kind of reconnected to my Urdu speaking back then, just like, you know, 14, 13 years ago or something. And so now I really enjoy speaking to them in Urdu. You know, I really enjoy being able to switch in that way. And, you know, now, the kid myself is something that I'm really eager to try and pass on but I'm pretty sure I'll fail because it doesn't just doesn't quite come totally naturally to me you know my dream in English it's you know yeah it's my first language

is English now so. Were your parents excited about the fact that all of a sudden late in life you were getting better at it? I think they were yeah they were less excited than I'd hoped they'd be. That's always the way. That's always the way. You know what I mean? I thought maybe I'd get some kind of pat on the back for this.

They'd be like, yeah, what's the big deal? I've been doing that my whole life. Were they excited about your path as an actor? I mean, you went to a university, you'd already made that choice. Was that something they supported? It was, it was something they supported, but I think they had a very sane, rational response that most parents of any background would have when their kid says they want to be an actor, which is, please God don't do this.

Right. You know, it's, it's just, it's such a lottery, you know, and you guys know this, it's like, there are so many incredibly talented people that don't get the break it's so much there's so much luck involved um and um I I really uh and actually I'm joking a little bit because they didn't say please god don't do this they didn't say that at all I should be clear about that they were like all, all right, if you love this, good luck. You know, we're here. Just make sure you have a backup plan and, um, and, you know, good luck. Did you have, and you probably didn't have the heart to tell him that rapping was your backup plan, right?

This podcast is going to be the first time they realize that. So thanks for outing me, man. This is going to be solo therapy, not family therapy. If they actually, it turns out they were a huge fan of Rizmc, they just had never made the connection. This guy, be more like this guy. This guy's cool. But you know, the funny thing is, is like, yeah, my parents were super cautiously supportive,

I'd say. And, you know, obviously very proud, you know, when, when things turned out okay. But the thing that's really funny is I remember when I did my first kind of, um, about like 2013, I did this film called Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal. And it was like one of the first, you know, that and Reluctant Fundamentalities was like, you know, the first movies I was doing in America. And I was like, wow, like these people have watched their movies. And now I'm in a film with Kate Hudson and Jake Gyllenhaal and, you know, really admire these people. These are people who my dad recognizes, which is that's a shift, right?

You know what I mean? It's like, okay, cool. You did a British indie film. I don't care. I'm watching 50 50. That's like one thing. And then it's like, okay, yeah, that guy seems familiar. I've seen him in X-Wise It.

And I remember when I came back from Toronto or some film festival and I was like, yeah, you know, it's cool. we had a film at this festival. I remember going up into my childhood bedroom and having a moment and going like, man, I remember being in here thinking, wonder if I can make it work as an actor. This is emotional and who knows what will happen from here on in, but this is a great moment for me just personally to go and done this film and come back. And my dad comes in and smiles and looks at me. And I remember thinking he's having the exact same

thought right now. This is going to be a rare moment of emotional connection across culture and generations. And I was sat on the edge of my bed and he came and sat down next to me. And he looked at me and he put his hand on my shoulder and I was going to tear up at this point. That's all it takes. Right. And then he said, um, you know, it's not too late to become a banker. I was like, what?

He was like, you, you've done it now. You did a movie. It went to America. What's the, what do you want to do? What do you want to it now, you did a movie, you went to America. What's that? What do you want to do now? So I think that kind of cautiously support, that backup plan thing is still very much alive and kicking. That's really funny.

I went home, I had a, you know, our parents, our mom, sort of keeps our bedrooms, shrines to us. And I went back recently. And on the bookshelf is a book they bought like the 25th anniversary of SNL. They bought me that book for like a Christmas present. And I remember I was like holding it and the same my mom was like, Oh, do you want to bring that home with you? And I'm like, Oh, no, I don't you know, I don't need to bring it home with me. She goes, Okay, because I think we might throw all this stuff away. Like, oh, I kind of like

that it was here. She's like, Oh, it's like this is it was here. She's like, oh, I was like, this is a nice memory. She's like, oh, really? Because we thought it was garbage. By the way, just because you mentioned him, Jake Gyllenhaal gave my son a haircut. He does that. Doesn't he do that? It's a weird thing he does to everyone.

He buzzed my son's hair. So they had to. Sss, sss, sss, sss, sss, sss, sss. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why did he do that? Was this something you asked him to do? Yeah, yeah. Well, no, it's more my son. My son ran into Jake Gyllenhaal and said, I want a haircut like him. And then Jake, to his credit, said, I'll give it to you.

And he was like, great. Yeah. This haircut takes zero skill to give. Zero skill. And then I said, I should say I wasn't there. It, it, I was not there when it happened. And my wife was with, uh, with Axel. And then afterwards I said to Jake, I go, thanks for doing that. He goes, I'll never forget what he said when I finished.

Uh, he looked at me and said, Jake, I go, thanks for doing that. He goes, I'll never forget what he said when I finished. He looked at me and said, thanks, John. I love it. I love it. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from Uplift Desk. Hey, Baji. Hi, Sufi.

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Just to kind of make a party out of it. Obviously, everyone's celebrating apart from you. Actually, my earliest memory. Then I went back when I was like 15 and then 18. The 18 was a really was a fun trip. That was kind of nuts. And then after that it was more for work. So I did a movie when I was like 23. I went there. Then I went back in 2018. So it's kind of like, you know, twice that I can consciously remember as family trips. So yeah, I've never thought of it as home, you know?

Did your parents, do you feel like your parents felt a pull to go back or had they just sort of move on? Yes, interesting. You know, I think they always had, they had always planned to go back. And I think a lot of immigrants have this, right? They go, look, we're going to come here for a minute. We're going to stack. We're going to, you know, save up some money and then we're going to go home. Why would we stay here? And, you know, one thing leads to another. You kind of develop ties to a place. You know, a military coup takes place in your, in your, you know, country of origin. You guys can relate as Americans. And what

starts, you start thinking, actually actually maybe I won't go back. So yeah, it kind of, you know, life takes its own course in its own way. But now it's like, I sometimes say, Hey, do you want to head back? You know, I'm chilling. They've lived here for like 50 of their 70 years. So what did you guys, what was a trip you guys would do as a family? Where did you ever take them? You know, family trips were not a massive part of growing up, if I have to be honest. The trip that I thought we'd talk about is something that I did much more recently as an adult, actually. But I can talk about like childhood family trips as well.

We can touch on a bunch of trips. Why not? Um, I remember going to Disneyland, uh, when I was six and I remember just spending the whole time in lines, waiting in lines. That's my main memory. That's so funny because Disney World, I think it was in Florida. Yeah. I just, Josh and I brought my oldest

to an amusement park recently. And I kind of thought, oh, I bet for kids, because as an adult, I'm certainly aware of the lines. And I'm like, maybe it'll be worth it for a kid. Like the rides are all you remember. So it's fascinating to me that all these years later, you're like, no, the lines. I feel like in the gap though, from when we were kids,

you know, Seth and I well before you, Riz, obviously. Obviously, being in our 60s, being in our mid to late 60s. Yeah, but that amusement parks have figured out that lines need to be interesting and engaging. And I feel like back in the day, they were just sort of, you're going back and forth and there's not a lot of sort of decoration or atmosphere to them.

And now, like, we were just at this park and there is a lot of atmosphere to the waiting. What are they doing in lines now? I've completely missed out on this. What do they do to make lines interesting? If you're at like a Harry Potter world, like I feel like as you go through the line, there's like just crazy screens with like Dumbledore is like say, you know, it's like really good three dimensional stuff. Right, right. Wow. Where it's not just like sort of concrete and a heat.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay, wow. One of the many things we missed out on in our childhood. Yeah. Just staring at the back of the guy in front of you. That was pretty much all you were doing. Yeah. But I remember, I remember there was that, yeah, kind of going to amusement parks in America,

there being lots of lines. That was a big one. And then kind of like, yeah, 15 we went to Pakistan and then 18. And the 18 years old one was, that was quite fun. What was what made it a fun trip? Was it that you were 18? It was just, it was kind of nuts. Yeah, it was like, so it was just a very, yeah, you're that age, right?

Well, one thing was the age. You can obviously enjoy things a bit more when you're 18. But the other big thing was that we all went, my whole extended family in the UK, all of my mom's side, six siblings, all their kids, grandparents, who went, and so it was, you know, such a unique experience, such a weird kind of moment. And you know,

suddenly all these uncles that you'd kind of be hiding stuff from in the UK, they go back to Pakistan and they're in a teenager comes out. So they're like, you know, they're rolling, they're rolling, you know, the stuff up for you to smoke on the roof. They're like, hey, yo, like, you've become a teenager. This is great. Um, so there was that and yeah, just kind of, you know, enjoying the culture, the food in a different way. I actually had my first ever driving lessons there as well. Um, I didn't like rush to start driving. I was, I would just always be the guy riding shotgun with all my friends.

But when I went to Pakistan, I was like, let me do it here and it's cheaper. It was a really bad idea to this day I'm a terrible driver because of that. So, you know, it was like classic not not that Pakistani drivers are terrible you know in most of the world's the crazier the roads are the better the driver is but I just You know, so when you indicate yes now there's not a lot of drivers at schools operating on it. Beep the horn. Everything you shouldn't do. Beep the horn. Why have you got your seatbelt on? You won't be able to maneuver properly if you have to jump out the car.

Make sure you cross your hands. You'll get more leverage. You can really yank it. There was all that kind of stuff going on. So yeah. And were you in a city then? We were. We were in Karachi. Yeah. And you know, Karachi is a wild place. I remember we kind of found out that one of our cousins there was a gangster. And he was, we should have kind of worked it out because when we'd be sitting with

him just hanging out at the local cafe, there'd just always be a steady stream of people pulling up in a car, getting out, respectfully asking him for something, shaking his hand, like kissing his hand and then bouncing. We were like, friendly guy, honestly. This guy's popular. And then I remember we were in Pizza Hut, and him and his friends got a call, and we'd be right back. This is actually quite dark. And then left, and they came back. Pretty sure they had blood on their shirts.

They came back. Yeah, we were like, yeah, I think he's definitely, I think something definitely going on. I will say, I like to think that he's a gangster, but he was so excited that his whole family was visiting from England. He was like, I don't have time to go change into a new shirt. These people, they're only here so often. They're not here that often. Family guy.

This thing about gangsters, family guys, they prioritize family. So that was a fun one. I remember my brother, because he was a little bit older,, that was a fun one. I remember my brother, um, cause he was a little bit older when that same cousin said, listen, we've got to go buy some weed. And, um, so it's like, okay, where are we going to do that? Just stay pulled up outside of building and, uh, it turns out they pulled that outside, pulled up outside the police station. So it's like, what?

So my cousin takes my brother into the police station to buy weed. And, uh, you literally just go into the back office and they're like, this is how you know this stuff's good. They only confiscate the good stuff. And so it's got the like seized by customs and exercise stamp on it. And, uh, I didn't go on that mini adventure. My brother was going to protect me from that as my, as my semi parent. Um, but yeah, that was a-

If I had ever in my life been at a party where somebody brought in a bag of weed there and said seized on it, it would have been the most exciting party of my life. Yeah, it wasn't bad. Yeah, that's great. Hey, we're gonna take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors.

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It was me, my wife and my kid. Right? So we just had a baby. And I'd said to them, listen, give me three months off before I start the movie. And they came back and said, great, definitely. A couple of weeks go by call back and say, so weird thing with like how the financing works, but the movie is going to fall apart unless we start in like four weeks. Okay, how are we going to do this? So, um, actually gave the script to my wife.

It's this movie that the one that I'm kind of promoting at the moment. It's going to be out the end of August. It's called relay. So I showed her the script and the test they had to pass was like, would she watch it? And she was like, this is so annoying because I really don't want you to work right now, but I would definitely watch this. And you should definitely do this.

This is good. So your wife, you trust your wife's taste. She has, she has impeccable taste. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She, I go to her with every kind of creative question and um, weirdly she doesn't come to me for any.

And she's also a creative person. She's a, she's a novelist. She's an author. She's a novelist. She's an author. She's a novelist. She's also been kind of asked to write some screenplays, which she's doing a bit more of. Does she ever say to you, like, would you read this? And if you say no, she's like, then I'm on to something?

There is something like that. There is something like that happening. Because I remember early on in our relationship, she would show me what she'd written and I would give her feedback and she'd kind of nod and smile and glaze over. And then she just changed the subject. And I thought, what's, what's happening here? So yeah, I think it's pretty clear what's happening. So anyway, we're like, okay, we've got to relocate from California to New York to do this movie. It's a New York movie. It's a New York thriller. So they want to do it in location. And so we pack up everything. We pack up our whole life. We've been living in California at this moment.

So, you know, your entire life, everything from plates and blenders to TVs, to all your clothes, furniture. But also, because we just had a kid, like, you know, baby pics. Yeah. And like hard drives with photos on them and like cameras full of photos and all that kind of stuff. Toys, gifts that have been given. And we get, we fly over to New York and all our stuff gets packed up into a, into a van and we get to New York and our stuff doesn't turn up.

We're like, okay, seems to be a bit of delay we check in and go yeah yeah it's a bit of delay but it should be there. A week goes by, ten days go by, two weeks go by, go what's going on? They went oh yeah so the van had all your stuff in it was targeted in a robbery. And, but they found the van in Mexico. I'll be like, Oh my God, thank God. It goes, yes, but it doesn't have any of your stuff in it. Oh no. Oh, okay. It said there were two other families with all this stuff in there.

We're like, right. They said all this stuff was still in it. So we were like, Oh man, this is like, this is a weird, crazy situation. We're very confused as somebody specifically targeted us. They used our real names on it. Not that anyone would care, but you know, some people out there are weird. And so they're looking through our stuff. So we have to like get people like security consultants to go scrolling

through the dark web to see if like photos of our kids being, you know, it's, it's the whole thing. through the dark web to see if like photos of our kids being so you know it's it's the whole thing meanwhile the movie that i'm there to shoot is all about someone who is trying to get precious things safely from a to b right and i think like stories have this this mystical element to them like the thing that you're living ends up in the movie and vice versa. So I'm kind of living through a version of what I'm shooting in this film and More precisely actually my wife is living through a version of what I'm shooting in this film because my wife basically then becomes a private investigator Mm-hmm. I was also being a you know, a brand new mom and she is just won't take note for an answer from the police

She starts calling up the moving company, the two drivers have gone missing. It turns out, you know, one of them has kind of like got a history of meth something. And the guy at the van company is like, I can't help you, I can't help you, there's nothing I can do. My wife basically patches together like a straight up gumshoe private investigator

robbery trail. She identifies in one of the photos that was sent that there's something on the floor of the driver's side is a receipt and it's a receipt to a storage unit. She calls up the storage unit company, matches the ID and serial numbers to those lockers to realize it's one of only three storage units in the Sacramento area. Right. She calls those guys up. She then, you know, at every point she's trying to basically getting people to

bend the rules a little bit and say, Hey, listen, come on, you're going to do this for me, they identify the people on CCTV cameras coming into the storage unit. In that unit, she speaks to the person on the reception desk. They go into the unit, they open it up. There's stolen stuff in there, but it's not ours. Oh! Right? And this literally, like, four week investigation that my wife is doing is happening, it's like,

I'm coming back from work, and they're like, yeah, what did you shoot today? He goes, well, today, you know, I had to try and find some hidden stuff in a storage unit to try and make sure that people, I was like, what did you do today, babe? She's like, right. So this is what I actually did. And, um, and so it was this kind of crazy experience, but to be honest, because my wife's a writer, the one thing that she really, really did not want to lose was her journals, you know, she had journaling about becoming a mother

and, you know, those, those early months and that whole experience. And she was really distraught about that. And weirdly it was when she, she finally just said, look, I surrender this. I let go. I light a candle, say a prayer and say, all right, I let go of that. And then we get an email on the second last day of shooting from this woman in Oregon. And she says, is this your journal? And my wife's got her email address and says, how do you have this journal? This is the one thing out of everything that was stolen that we want to get back.

She goes, well, my stuff was in a van that apparently got robbed, but our stuff didn't get robbed. But this journal ended up in one of my boxes of Nikes. We're just like, what is going on, man? didn't get robbed, but this journal ended up in one of my boxes of Nike's. We're just like, what is going on, man? And we've got that journal back and it was such a, it was a trip, you know? Um, it just really kind of like blew our minds in terms of just, you know, just the mysteries of the universe and, and, um, how this stuff works and also kind of reminded us in a way, like we actually didn't,

it was difficult losing stuff. There was insurance and the producers of the movies helped out and all of that stuff. But really the stuff you really care about is that, it's like baby pics and like a journal, right? But that was a family trip that was like, I know on this podcast, normally people talking about like,

you know, really dying on river rapids with their dad, you know. But this is, this was a different kind of trip because the journey itself kind of stayed with us, you know, in the aftermath of it. And if there's a moral, it's drive your own stuff, you know, think. What a strange like, sort of racket of saying we're gonna move your stuff. It's so heartbreaking. I mean in my life I would that thrill of finding a receipt in a picture like that I feel like only happens in movies where there's a leap of logic that you know and there's never a receipt facing up that's in a photo

and then tracking it to a storage unit. I can't believe. She's an absolute G. But yeah, that's the kind of crazy thing about all of this is when you went back and looked at this moving company, it was like, this company was founded like three months ago and it has one one-star review. Why did we use this place again?

It said on the website, we have two drivers, one of whom does not have a history of math. And that should have made you suspicious. One of whom never touches this stuff. Who reads the small brain? Yeah, man. Did you enjoy shooting in New York? I actually kind of loved it. Yeah, I know.

You know, it's very much a New York movie and David McKenzie, our director, he kind of is very much into, I guess, chaos. I'll just say it straight up. He's like a big chaos guy. You know, freedom is another way of saying it. So we did not try and control any of the pedestrians, any of the traffic as far as we could. So you just really feel the kind of buzz and the frenetic energy of the city in there. You know, sometimes there's problems.

I remember Sam Worthington, who's also in the movie, kind of ended up getting into it with like a couple of passersby who did not realize a movie was happening. Like someone comes up to him and goes, hey man, don't talk to her like that. She's like, Sam just starts going with it. Sam catches a wave and just decides to start surfing. And we're like, someone should break this up. Something's going to happen. But I mean, our first day of shooting, we shot in Times Square.

Wow. So that was just, it was just wild. You know, it's just New York's got such an energy to it. And I think that comes across in a movie that slightly kind of Anything could happen kind of vibe also a quick shout out to the Phoenician scheme, which I loved Oh Man, very fun time. Very fun time a lot of Riz out there. We're very happy about that. Oh, thank you Where's Anderson? I mean you like you big was Anderson guys. Yeah Yeah, yeah. Um, Wes Anderson, I mean, you like, you big Wes Anderson guys?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I feel like, yeah, when I was, I think when I saw Bottle Rocket, it was like around the same time as Reservoir Dogs, where you just realize, oh, I'm going to see movies from these guys forever. And it's going to be the best feeling. Yeah, it's, um, it's kind of wild being on a set as a kind of massive fan myself, both me and my wife, I'm huge fans of Wes's. Um, cause it's really hard to concentrate cause all I was, all I wanted to do was steal stuff. You know what I mean?

It's like, I'm like, you just, you're in a scene in some of the, right? You come in here, you pick up this pen, you sign this thing, you're like, cool, cool, cool, and you just look at the pen and go, oh my God. Look how well designed this pen is. Are you kidding me? Did Montblanc do a limited edition colorway on this for Wes? I have not seen this. Yeah, it's just every bit of furniture, furnishing, props, costume.

You're just like, oh my God. And you probably felt like you were owed some stuff since you just got robbed. Exactly. It's why I did the movie, Seth. It's why I did the movie, trying to get some cover. But it didn't work. It's so funny, I've never thought to ask anybody.

I mean, I always love talking to actors who do Wes Anderson because it seems like it must require a slightly different kind of acting because I feel like everything becomes, it's so wonderfully set designed that as an actor, you're part of the set too. And it never occurred to me that how that stuff is real and it would be really fun to steal it. Yeah, it would be, but they don't let you. Just so they don't. Yeah. It's not honestly like each prop, each piece of costume, each piece of furniture is archived, tracked. There's someone whose job it is because there's going to be a theme park at some point, at least I hope, you know, and the lines there will be extremely entertaining.

The lines they say, the lines at the Wesley Anderson park are better than the rides. They're better than anywhere else. So, yeah, man, it was a lot of fun. Young, you got a young one, but does your child travel well? Is it too early to tell? My child doesn't sleep. Yeah, in general. In the overnight, in general, that's changed now, thankfully. But yeah, on planes and all that kind of stuff.

It's, what's your protocol on planes? At this point, we just let it ride. I mean, yeah, there's not much to do. Were you a screen? Are you like ever a no screens person? So we're very, I will say, we're no screens with our kids, except we finally caved on planes. Where it's just like, you know what?

Because they all have their own screens. It's so hard to say you have this thing right in front of you and you can't use it. Every single, every other person on the plane gets it, but you don't. My wife has tried, like she brings like a full satchel full of like clays and, you know, maze books and coloring. And by the time we're taxiing, they're like done with all of it.

They're like, we're done. We finished every maze. We finished. We've colored in everything. And we're ready to go. And so it's just so hard, especially, you know, when you go coast to coast and it's six hours. Like, it's so unfair to tell a kid like, no, you're just going to read and think.

Yeah, it is unfair. And yet that is what I plan on continuing to do. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but with zero success, you know, I mean, right now, um, getting punched in the face by my kid is painful, but it doesn't totally knock me out. That will change soon.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, they're going to watch whatever they want, man. Yeah, just out of full strength. Exactly. It is a... What a delight it has been to talk to you, Riz. Just thank you so much. We're both such huge fans.

Thank you, guys. I'm a massive fan of both of you guys. Also, I keep mentioning your work. I'll say one last thing as we're talking about screens. My two boys have been working their way through the Star Wars universe and Rogue One, that's the one, man. That's the best one. Oh man, people say that. But I should really check out the other ones to compare. I should watch some point. Well now that you got a kid just wait until they're old enough to watch them and yeah go through them with yeah with a little buddy. Also you did better than most like as what was your rogue one was Bodhi like I feel like

you had a cool name. Bodhi Rook. Yeah, Bodhi Rook. Come on. Bodhi Rook's not a bad name is it? Yeah. I mean, there's some weird ones in the Star Wars universe. You did good. Yeah, it's kind of like a porn star name. Yeah.

Bodhi Rook, you see? It's got a swagger to it. It really does. I mean, that kind of ruins it for me, but it really does. Yeah. All right, Josh is gonna ask you our speed round questions, Riz.

All right. Thank you, man. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? It's changed. It would have been adventurous now, definitely relaxing. Very good. What is your favorite means of transportation?

I think the train. Yeah. Yeah. It's a nice train. Yeah. For me, it's the back of a van full of your stuff while a guy, or while a methed out guy drives to Mexico. That was, I can't wait to do that episode of Family Trip. Someone's just gonna come and go.

I was in the back of a van going to Sacramento and it was a digital camera and it was full of pictures of Reza and his family. Oh man. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with?

Oh wow, this is a good one. Any family other than my own family. I think probably, probably The Simpsons. Great. Great. I agree. Random, but just, yeah. Just watch that show probably more than anything else.

Probably will never clock those number of episodes. It's fun, because I love, yeah, just watch that show probably more than anything else ever. Probably will never clock those number of episodes. It's fun, because I love that show, but I don't, I'm never like, they seem like a fun hangout. Yeah, yeah, no, no. Well, something fun's gotta happen. It'll be traumatic. Yeah, it'll be traumatic. If you had to be stranded on a desert island

with one member of your family, who would it be? Probably my wife. Yeah. Okay. I would have picked that for you as well. Yeah. Cause I know that she can put up with me. Yeah.

Um, she can handle it. And, uh, you're from Wembley. Would you recommend Wembley as a vacation destination? You know what? If you're trying to get some amazing authentic Indian food, 100%. Great. Excellent. Come through, man.

Come through. I'll show you. Very good. And then Seth has our final questions. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? Yes. Was it worth it? Yes.

Okay. Incredible. I wish I'd kind of hike down it. They do that thing now where you can hike down and kind of camp out in there. I listened to the Gilroy's episode. That sounded wild and crazy and... I mean, I would do it with the Gilroy's. But yeah, exactly.

Annoyed they didn't invite me. I know. Well, next time. Thank you so much. Congrats on everything. It's like I said, it's so, we're always fans to see you. And it's really fun that you got a movie out now and another one coming. Thank you guys. Much appreciated.

And yeah, see you in Wembley, yeah? Absolutely. Relay is the movie and it's out in August. Check it out everybody. Thanks, Riz. And Finitian's Game is still in theaters right now. Bye, buddy. Bye, out everybody. Thanks for this. And Finitians Game is still in theaters right now. Bye buddy. Bye Riz. Thank you. Across the country And you're choosin' Choosin' a movin' company Heads up that it might not be the best plan

Hiring a random dude who's got a van But he just drives around with his friend. They'll go cruisin', cruisin' away with all your things. You'll be losin' everything that really stings Hard drives, photos and baby stuff Your wife is a detective, looks for clues Journal resurfaces out of the blue Maybe next time you will read refuse Daddy use it

Use in the first place that you find. And remove it! Any doubt for peace of mind? Come on Riz, you know this don't you? Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah