Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - ROSEBUD BAKER Watched the Chincoteague Pony Swim

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

This week on the pod, Seth and Josh welcome comedian Rosebud Baker! Rosebud talks about growing up in suburban Alexandria, Virginia, with a famous grandfather, former Secretary of State James Baker, and the strict expectations that came with visiting her grandparents and the White House. She shares stories of chaotic, alcohol-fueled family reunions, growing up with a huge extended family, and childhood trips to Chincoteague for the pony swim and Watch Island in New York’s Thousand Islands, where the kids had free rein while the adults drank. Rosebud also discusses keeping her standup career secret from her family for years, writing about her experiences with SNL, her memoir Fully Baked, and how her disciplinarian father has mellowed with age. Watch this episode on the Family Trips YouTube or Spotify, or listen wherever you get your podcasts!" Watch more Family Trips episodes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlqYOfxU_jQem4_NRJPM8_wLBrEEQ17B6 ------------------------- 00:00 Introduction with Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers 02:01 Napa Trip and Falconry 02:33 Wine Cave and Snack Debate 06:24 Cape Cod Gigs 10:12 Meet Rosebud Baker 15:43 Family Legacy and Memoir Talk 37:31 Chincoteague Horse Memories 38:11 Watch Island Summer Chaos 42:11 Selling the Island Goodbye 44:23 Bud Nickname and Accents 46:58 Road Trip Rules and Dad Discipline 59:39 Comedy Career Reveal and Farewell ------------------------- Support our sponsors: Article: Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://www.article.com/discount/trips and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. Aura Frames: Exclusive $35-off Carver Mat, Aspen, and Walden frames at https://on.auraframes.com/TRIPS. Promo Code TRIPS Hims Ready to reach your goals? Visit https://hims.com/trips to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Weight Loss by Hims is not available in all 50 states. Wegovy® is the registered trademark of Novo Nordisk A/S. To get started and learn more, including important safety information, Wegovy® clinical study information, and restrictions, visit Hims.com. ------------------------- Family Trips is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Theme song written and performed by Jeff Tweedy. ------------------------- About the Show: Lifelong brothers Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers ask guests to relive childhood memories, unforgettable family trips, and other disasters! New Episodes of Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers are available every Tuesday. ------------------------- Executive Producers: Rob Holysz, Jeph Porter, Natalie Holysz Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Coordinating Producer: Derek Johnson Video Editor: Josh Windisch Mix & Master: Josh Windisch Episode Artwork: Analise Jorgensen #familytrips #sethmeyers #joshmeyers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good. I'm in a hotel. I could tell you're in a hotel. Where are you in California? Hotel. Yeah, I'm in Napa. Ooh. Doing an episode of the California Now podcast.

It's been pretty cool. Going to three wineries. Yesterday, I got to do a big falconry experience, so I got to spend some time with a hawk. with a hawk, an owl. Did the thing where it lands on your arm? Yep. Great. How'd it go?

It was great. Yeah. Cool birds. Then sip some wine. Then we went to a cave and did like a sensory, immersive tasting. And then later today, I'm going to go look at all this art. Sorry, you went to the cave to drink wine? Yes. Yeah. And was the idea that you wine taste better when you can't see or hear other stuff? They are trying to get you to...

To get you in the cave to put a boulder in front of it, trap you forever? They want you to focus more on the texture, on the smells. But yeah, so it was very... And also, caves are sort of classically where wine was kept because the temperature stays at a good. Gotcha. And when you go into this cave, is there like... Is it cave seating or have they kind of made it like modern?

They made this one modern. but they have some, like, more ancient caves as well. Gotcha. That was at the Buena Vista. This is one of the newer caves? It was in a, it was made, it was like sort of has like a smooth roof, I want to say, smooth walls. So they've covered up the sort of rocks. But they have other ones that are just like, have been chiseled.

They covered up all the dirty cave paintings. I don't know if there were cave paintings in there. I don't know that it was like cavemen. And then wine. Maybe at some point, you know, if there's a cave, there's a good chance people used to live in it as something that I'm going to say with no research. If there's a cave, somebody live there. Yeah. So, yeah, so I'm in the middle of doing that, but it's been.

How long were you in the cave? Probably two, three hours, maybe, two hours. Wow. A lot of time in a cave. Did you, no, I would be very excited because there would be maybe some snacks along in the cave. Were there cave snacks? I didn't know. Why?

What makes you think a cave has snacks? Well, because you're going into a cave to drink wine. I would think they put out some cheese and crackers. Okay. I didn't know if you were thinking like caves in general you think have snacks the way you think caves. No, no. I think like a wine tasting has snacks. And this one being in a cave, I would think I'd still get my snacks.

Yeah, I did not have any snacks. I just had some wine in that. Did they not have snacks out? Or is it you're a vegan and you were like, no, thank you. I mean, maybe they had snacks and they knew about my veganism. And they were like, our snacks aren't going to be good for this guy. I mean, man, oh man, if I went into a cave for three hours to drink some wine, I'd want a cracker. I'm just saying.

I ate lunch before I went to the cave. All right. Yeah. I just feel like, for any of you cavemongers out there, like, just have some chips or something, bowl of nuts. Do you think if you were traipsing through the woods, let's say, you came upon a cave, in the back of your mind, does something say, ooh, I bet there's snacks in there? No, and by the way, I would never find out

because I'm never going into a cave. Even if you were hungry? Even if you were hungry. I cannot tell you how hard it would have to be raining for me to go into a cave, an unmarked cave. Yeah, that you didn't know what was going on in there. I mean, I guess I go into the overhang of a cave, but I would never go far enough into a cave

that I wouldn't be able to see the, you know, exit. If you, yeah, if you, like, had a lighter, which would be strange for you to have a lighter, you don't think you'd click it on and just walk in. If I had, like, yeah, cell phone flashlight or I was with dad, because his cell phone flashlight's always on. Dad would be good. Dad, if dad was doing his cross-exam.

word on his phone and you would then know for some reason um but don't see any of us his flashlight would also be on i'd be like take me into the cave very there was i don't know if i talked about this on this podcast but there was a time mom dad and i went out to a restaurant it was on martha's vineyard but you weren't there um and it's like in an old barn like an old converted barn a very nice restaurant but it was so dim and everyone in there was of a certain age, and everyone had their flashlights on. And it, like, it didn't sound like a club from our Amsterdam days, but it looked like one.

Because the beams of light just flashing around as people were trying to look at their menus. It's, I mean, again, you know, if you're watching this on YouTube right now, a couple pairs of cheaters, like, it is. Like, I mean, again, it's age discrimination. Dim lights, tiny, tiny menu print.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, just say, just put, just put a sign up. It says 42 and younger. Assholes. Or turn the lights up. I did a show in Cape Cod, a place called Truro. Oh, yeah.

McKenzie's family used to have a place in North Truro. I did a couple years ago, and I was happy to go back. But two years ago, I had some real trepidation about it because I was told it was a tent with no running water. It's all, like, Port-a-Potties outside. Yeah. A very nice tent, as tents go. But it's also way off the main road, and it's an old, I want to say, like, naval radar base. So it's like a decommissioned military base.

So you really feel like you're in the middle of nowhere. It feels like where you do stand up after the apocalypse. Like, what was that? It's like Station 11? Yeah. Yeah. And, but I'd done it before it. And I kind of knew it would be fun times.

But I ferry over and, like, hour drive. And then did two shows. I did a 4.30 and then a 7.30. Now there's no ferries. And I've done this before, but like now it's a two-hour drive. Because it's just like... Traffic? Different, different...

Different direction. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Different place to get on what feels very much like a boat that would run cocaine. Go fast boat? I mean, it's just a bit like you go to like, it's like, Middle of like an unlit street, boat pulls up, you get on boat, and it brings you to the other side, like 25 minutes. Amazing.

But like, it's great. Is it like, is it the nose of the boat like banging over waves? It wasn't that choppy, but it is like it was, I was in like the hall. Is that what? It was like, it was just like, yeah. It was not high-end travel. Yeah. Okay.

And then my brother-in-law, very sweetly, was like, I'll pick you up. And I'm like, oh, man, are you sure it's going to be so late? He's like, yeah, just give me your ETA. And so then I was like, ETA half an hour. And nothing. He didn't write back. He didn't write back. And then I wrote, and I'm on a boat, you know.

Yeah. And I'm like, hey, you're getting these? And he goes, you got it, brother. I'm on it. And I'm like, hmm. And so then I, I land, and I write him, ETA, and he says 25 minutes. At which point I said, okay, well, so turn around because I'm not going to wait 25 minutes. And there was an Uber right there.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's sweet. Yeah. But it was a lot of fun. Thank you, Truro, for a really, really nice time. Yeah. Nice.

Nice. we've got a wonderful conversation. Yeah, absolutely. With our new bud. A new bud, rosebud. Rosebud's baker. She's got a great new memoir, fully baked. I highly recommend.

It's really funny. Very sweet. Sad at times. Just a great memoir. Yeah, and great stories here. And she's a fantastic conversation. So check it out. And love you, Pashi.

Love you, Sufi. are you? Really good. That's good. A chaotic drop off at school, but, you know, we love those. Oh my gosh. You got one of those good schools that's taking people in the summer. Yeah, yeah. They're doing the camp. They call it camp. And then, yeah, yeah. That's how they trick the kids. That's how they trick the kids into thinking it something special. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So wait, how old is yours? She's two, she's almost three. She'll be three in October. Oh, that's fantastic. I mean, if you can get a kid at a camp at like late two, it's good.

I know. Yeah. She goes, every day, she goes, we're not going to school, are we? And I'm like, no, we're going to camp. And she's like, it's a celebration. She just, I'm like, I don't know how I got away with that. But yeah, she believes it. You got to get to just start calling school when back in September. You got to just start calling it camp. Yeah, exactly. And your daughter's name is Minnow. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. Well done. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a family name. I mean, but Rosebud is not your given name. No, Rosemary is my given name. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, which is like... It's a very nice adjustment. It is, it's a good adjustment. Rosemary is like, I feel like I'll adopt it later in life.

Like, once I'm, once I have a cane, I feel like Rosemary has like a really nice ring to it. But it has to be accompanied by. a cane in my mind. Yeah. Yeah, and I will say I try not to judge based on the name of the comic. Rosemary Baker, I already am worried. Yeah. It's going to be like, I don't know.

I'm like, I think this is going to be mostly cooking tips. Right. Yes. Right. Exactly. It's very, it's elderly, it's matronly is what it sounds like to me. Yeah. Yeah.

Have you considered what kind of cane? you would like to get it's got to be funky i know that yeah yeah because it's like you know i i'm at this stage in my life now where it's like i'm starting to consider i'm like what kind of old lady am i going to be and it's like you know you can either you can either dress younger than you're supposed to or you can go weird with it and i'm going to go real weird with it that's how i'm going to get real funky glasses i'm going to get a cane to match and i might i might mess with a cape I don't know. We'll see. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. A cape, you know, because there is, I think with a cane, you're like, is this funky or not? But a cape, there's no gray area.

Yes. Yeah. You got, this is all intentional. I feel like all the clothing they sell at, like, the MoMA gift shop is made for, like, older gals who have, like, decided they're going funky with it. Josh, you are picking up exactly what I'm putting down. That's exactly what I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. It's there for you. How is, as you think about being an older lady, how have the matrix in your life handled it? Like, do you have, did you have grandmothers that had a style that you would aspire to? No, well, no, no.

Yeah. My mom is definitely, my mom lives in Maine. She's divorced. She's only been married once. She's divorced. and she moved to Maine. She's a painter. And so she lives on the St. George River

and she just paints all day long. And she has all of these friends. And she will call them up and ask to, like, rent their husband for the day. And then, like, have their husband, her friend's husbands, like, fix stuff up around her place. And I kind of dig what she's doing. She's just had a boyfriend for a long time. who was like a boat captain, like an Alaskan fishing boat captain.

And she broke up with him. And this is a direct quote because he liked her too much. So I was like, that's interesting. That's it. I've never heard that as a reason to break up with someone. I like that you both described your mom and the lead character in a Stephen King novella. Yes. I feel like this main painter who borrows husband.

Yeah, I know. Right, exactly. There's a lot of women being like, hey, did he leave? Is he on his way home? It's like, yeah, no, he left an hour ago. As far as I know. Yeah. He was on his boat.

So you grew up in Alexandria, Virginia. And when we think about that, is that basically D.C.? Like what's the... Basically. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. It's like they call it the DMV, which is like D.C., Maryland, Virginia, like those, the border, that those three states that border

each other, basically. I mean, D.C. is not a state, but, you know. You know, you think of Virginia and you kind of think of the South, but northern Virginia is like a different. It's more like D.C. Maryland. Got it. And I believe because we just watched it with my sons, I believe remember the Titans is. Yes. Alexander? Okay, gotcha. Yeah. I like that I immediately forgot a key plot of a movie that has to remember in the title. Yeah, I mean, I think that, to be fair, I think that Virginia, Alexandria, Virginia, and D.C. and Maryland are kind of, the reason why they get grouped together is that they don't really have one personality.

They're sort of, you know, and people will argue with me about this. I don't see them as having like a strong, they don't really make a strong impression. Yeah. Okay. You know. Well, it's a lot of people. I would imagine most people are, are they feeding into D.C. for work? Is that the sort of center of it all?

Yeah. And I think that's part of why it sort of lacks personalities because D.C. is such a transitory place. I mean, literally people move in and then four years later they leave. So, you know. Yeah. Did you, was your, so should we pick? your upbringing is like suburban. Definitely suburban.

Yeah. Okay, got it. Yes. And your grandfather was James Baker, Secretary of State James Baker? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It goes to the end of the Cold War, all that. Wow. Pretty much. Just almost like an emotional Fort Knox of a grandfather. Do you know what I mean? I could see that. I was wondering because, you know, if my children, If their grandfather, our dad had negotiated the end of the Cold War, I don't think he would do anything but talk about it.

Yeah. But it seems like that maybe wasn't the case. Was it? Was he sort of, was he, did he share the wealth of his incredible life with you guys? In terms of like, we talked about it a lot. And we would go to like, we would go to the White House and do Easter and like Christmas sometimes. Not like Christmas Day, but we would go to like the Christmas party and the, um, And I have like vague, vague recollection of that. But it wasn't, it wasn't really like, you know, to me it was just like, oh, God, we're going to like granddad's work again. It wasn't like we're going to the White House. Yeah.

Yeah. You know? And I remember being really fairly unimpressed with the whole thing, even as like a, I mean, I was a kid. So obviously. But I just was like, this is not. I remember being like. you were like, I feel like there should be a ballroom, even as a kid. Yeah.

Yeah. I remember being like, this is, so this is a rental. Like. Was there, when you were going to the White House, I don't know if you'll remember this or not, but would you sort of get more of a talking to of like, hey, you have to be on your best behavior because this is. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And I'm guessing for Easter, you're really like.

it's pastel dresses. I'm just thinking of the era. Oh, for sure. For sure. Pastel dresses, you know, ribbons in your hair, matching ribbons, matching shoes, the whole nine. And I remember, and this is where you start to get into, like, where I ended up and it being the most obvious, you know.

But it was like, it wasn't just the White House. It was like any time we went to go visit our grandparents. He was like, you got to dress up. You got to be on your best behavior. you can't you can't be loud you can't be um crass you know so it was um it was like there was a rule book that that when that accompanied like visiting my grandparents in a pretty strict rule book you know that i feel like takes away a lot of the fun of having uh grandparents it totally does yeah it totally does like when i reach out to my granddad to this day like i i have his secretary

number, but like, I don't, you know what I mean? It's not, it's a totally different thing. Yeah, like when my kids, uh, I feel like they have grandparents, both sets are just like act like they have a diplomatic community and they can't just do whatever they want with my kids and they can't, you know, it's like my kids go there to like live their worst life. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, now that I have a kid and I have a set of grandparents on the other side of the family, I'm starting to see what it's supposed to be. And I'm going, oh, my God. Like, they just come home.

She comes home with just suitcases full of, like, new stuff. Yeah. Well, that's what it's supposed to be. I had no idea. You know? I didn't know what I'd missed out on. We're next door to my in-laws in the summer, and my daughter, who is four,

just like woke up before anybody this morning, anybody this morning, went over to her grandfather's house, had a cookie, and just came back over in a full nightmare because she had like just started her day with a cookie. Was anyone awake when she went? Yeah, he was. He's the one who gave her the cookie. Okay. I just didn't know if she like is like, well, that house, I know where the cookies are and she just sneaks in and steals a cookie. No, I mean, I wouldn't put it past her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from article.

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If a table is in a kitchenette, can I call it a table at? Sure. Okay, you're going to allow it? I will allow it. Oh, thank you, Ponsie. It was truly exceptional. It's my favorite way to stay in a city that I'm not really, uh, familiar with. Well, you know what, on behalf of my brother who had such a nice trip, thanks Airbnb. Was your grandfather's job, did that mean, like, did it open up a different kind of travel for you guys? Or I guess probably he would only travel for work and, yeah. So we, we would go on these, like, family reunions every once in a while. And I remember going on one family reunion, I believe it was in South Carolina.

It was a resort in South Carolina. And we did this for a while. We haven't done it in years. But all the uncles and their families would come. And we'd all be on like one resort, right? And there would be these like fancy dinners and these, you know, we would all go to church together. It was very like, it was always like a very nice place to visit, a gorgeous resort, but not relaxing at all. Like, not relaxing even a little bit.

The parents were, they do love to drink. They love drinking. And, and, you know, famously, I mean, you guys have seen Succession, I assume. Yeah. Yeah. So you know the bloodthirsty clamoring for the father's approval, that that's, I don't know if I was alone in this, but I remember watching Succession and being like, oh, finally like I I'm seeing my family on television you know I'm finally seeing this kind of it's funny but it's dark and and it was that was what I grew up with watching my dad and his brothers just clamoring for their father's approval and all of them being kind of a mess in their own right you know and you and how young do you think you were when you sort of clock that dynamic were you the sort of kid and

who had a real sort of eye for that? Yeah, the first time I, well, you can't really miss it. It wasn't like, you know, I remember I tried to, I was a teenager, and all the little grandkids were there for this family reunion. And I was like, oh, we'll do a talent show. Like, we'll do something that's like fun, you know. And I was like, I'll organize it. And we had this one big dinner in this ballroom.

And there was a hallway adjacent to the ballroom, and I gathered all the little grandkids in this hallway and peeked my head in to check to see if, like, the grownups were ready. And as I peeked my head in, I see one of my uncles lunging across the table, swinging at another uncle. And I remember, like, shutting the door and being like, okay let's just do our stretches for a second we'll just stretch for a little while you know just waiting for this to sort of I don't know die down or like I didn't I was like this is so insane like oh my god

by the way I liked that what I asked I was like did you notice could you pick up on the subtle social cues you're like yeah actually yeah I did I did every now and then yeah so yeah they were they were wild They were an insane bunch of people. Did you have a large group of cousins? Was that a big part of your upbringing as well? Yes. Yeah. I still have cousins where I'll go to, you know, if we were to have a family reunion today,

I would have to, it was like Veep where like my sister would be coming up and like whispering the names of my cousins into my ear while I was like shaking hands with them. Because I just, I was like, I don't know who you are. I don't remember seeing you. Wow. And it's kind of also mentioned that like, if I were to guess James on any of the men, like, there's a 50, 50 chance that I would guess their name for me. That is, man, that is such a unique kind of family that obviously we're not a part of where there's just like names. Yeah.

Just get passed down and passed down. And they're always like the normiest most white bread names. Yes. Yeah. And it was like, and it's always like, it's always like a dead relative. They always pick a dead relative and they just keep it going, you know? Yeah. So for me, when I was pregnant, I was like, I know there's going to be this pressure to, like, pick a family name. But so I was like going back and forth about it. And then I thought I have this aunt who was named after a dead relative, but her nickname was Minnow. And then, and I really liked that nickname.

I remember being like, that's a really pretty name. Yeah. And so that was the compromise that I made. That was the choice I made that sort of quieted down the peanut gallery in terms of like the name that I had chosen. So it was greeted with acceptance. Everybody was good with Minow when you get, yeah. Yeah. The other thing about like having like multiple Jameses in the same generation of cousins is I feel like based on what you've said so far about the uncles, there's a real vibe of like they can say like not only you not the best cousin.

you're not even the best James. Yeah. You're the fourth best James in this family. Right. Exactly. And is it, I guess, minnow's too little to know if minnow likes her name, but I would imagine that minnow's friends and cohort are pretty excited to have a minnow in their group. Yeah, so far.

Yeah. I mean, I thought about it and I was like, is she going to get, like, bullied about this? But I'm like, I don't know if they're still doing that. I don't know. Yeah. I think kids can find anything to bully someone about it. You shouldn't. Right.

If it's the name, it would have been something. Right. Yeah. Right. Might as well give them a name instead of, you know, at least the name is like they can change the name. Yeah. My boy's names are Ash and Axel. And one of them the other day was like, why did you name us after curse words?

And we're like, what? And like, like, ass, asshole. I was like, oh, I did not realize until you said it that that's exactly what we really have given a full quiver of arrows to the bullies. What did you say to him? I was just like, yeah, I would just like really hit the S-H when you say it. Lean on that X. Anything you can do. Yeah.

Yeah. Congratulations on your memoir. I'm wondering how did you find it easy or hard to write about, about you very interesting and tumultuous life? Yeah. I found it, you know, I found it very easy to write. about my life. The parts that were difficult to write about, obviously, were the parts that, like, involved other people

and, like, shared experiences, because when you're writing a memoir, so much of it is based on your memory. And, you know, you don't want to offend people with the way that you remember things. So, but you also, like, can't let that get in the way of, like, writing it, the way that you remember that it happened.

And so that was, that was difficult. When it comes to my family, I was kind of like, you know, this is, no matter what, there's going to be like holes poked in this by them or they're going to say this is like, this isn't how it happened or, you know, I mean, they are just, they litigate everything. So like every point, you cannot have a casual conversation. with them about the weather without something being litigated. So I was like, that's kind of like, who cares, you know? But when it came to writing about S&L, I was freaked out.

I was like, I don't know how to write. That scared the living crap out of me. I was like, and so I tried to, I'm like, let me just write about my favorite moments there. and and keep it to just that. Because you don't want to, you know what I mean? Like it's, it's tricky. It was really tricky. Look, I'm in the same boat.

It's so funny, too, because I think when you write about your family, you have this long history of litigation with them. Like, you know how it's going to go. And ultimately, you've been prepared. And I imagine to some degree, you've been through it by being a stand-up and talking about your family. So this is, but there is a thing of, like, writing about a shared experience where everybody else involved is a writer.

Yes. And you know that if you get something wrong, eight of them will side text. Yes. About how wrong you got it? A hundred percent. I was like sitting at the keyboard like trembling, writing about this. And so that part was that was really difficult. I do think that's like the magic trick that Lawrence pulled is every time people

write about them or even do a documentary about them. They're like they ultimately land where you did, which is like, I'm just going to talk about the best parts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what, I'll just do the best parts. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. So your dad, your dad was from the D.C. area or grew up around there? So my dad and my mom both are from Houston, Texas. Got it. Was that part of your upbringing? Did you go back there ever? Um, I went to Texas. I went to camp in Texas for a month every summer. Um, yeah. And it was like a Christian camp in Texas and we like learned how to, um, We learned valuable life skills, like, you know, like riding a horse and shooting a gun at, like, eight.

So I did that, but, like, I didn't really have, other than that, like, my connection to Texas was purely based on, like, legacy. Like, they wanted me to feel, you know, my grandfather, like, put, like, Texas soil under the, under the labor and delivery table. just so that I was like born on Texas soil kind of thing. Like they're like crazy about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say that's a full crazy person. Yeah, it's really insane. And really crazy.

And but I don't have any connection really to that state. My mom and dad grew up there. My mom ended up moving to Connecticut in her teens and like was raised in Connecticut for the rest of her life. But they they continued to talk about. Texas as if like they both had lived their entire lives there, you know? Mm-hmm. So funny. Yeah.

Yeah. And they were actually like right around the block from each other. My mom, my dad and my mom's brother, my uncle, were very close friends. And my mom and dad, you know, grew up like kind of running in the same circles, like same group, group of kids. And then when my uncle on my mom's side was getting married, he had, um, And Usher, like, fall out, like fall through. He couldn't make it. And he called my dad and my dad came to the wedding.

And that's when my mom and my dad reconnected. So, and then they ended up getting married. So it was like this kind of cool, you know, they were friends growing up and then didn't see each other for years and then reconnected. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. And were you, what were, when you were a kid, did you guys take? What were your family vacations like?

Like, where would you guys go? So we would go to Chinketig, which is, I don't even, I think it's in Maryland. It was like, it was known for like horses. There were like wild horses that lived in Chichita. Is it an island? You know what? I don't know. I have no idea.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if you're like, I think it's imaginary. Yeah, it actually could be. It's a place of horses. Yeah, it could be fake. No, it's like a thing they set up in my room. No, like we would go, we would go to Chinketake and we would like take these family vacations. It was like my parents and then their friends would bring their kids and like buy us matching bathing suits for the weekend. And we would all like wear these matching bathing suits and look for these horses and play on the beach.

That was, I remember that pretty. specifically. And then we had this house called Watch Island. And it was in my family for like decades, generations. And we would go to Watch Island, which was in upstate New York. It was in a thousand islands. And so we would drive. I remember the drive feeling like it was four days long. It was probably like eight hours. But it was like, I remember being a kid and being like, this is crazy, you know? Like, I'm calling the authorities, you know? And driving that distance and then getting on a little Boston whaler boat and my dad emptying a

bunch of like groceries into this boat. I remember him just like cursing and putting groceries in a boat and making a ton of noises and grunts and groans. And and then we'd all climb in the boat and we go across from the dock to the house and we'd get off the boat and go up to that. It was one house on one island. And I think it's like, it's still there. I remember looking up how much it was going for a few years ago because I was like, what if I like bought that house back? But then I was like, oh, this is like completely uninsurable. So I highly recommend anybody Google Watch Island, which I just did. Yeah. It's insane. It's insane. It's crazy.

I mean, what a dream place to be as a child. Yeah, it was amazing. And yeah, it's just moments, I would say, till the sea takes it back. Yes, 100%. Yeah. And we would just run around that island for a whole summer while our parents, like, drank on the dock.

You know, it was like, they would just... And then every once in a while, like, somebody would fall into the ocean and, like, one of our blacked-out parents would, like, jump in and, like, save our lives. there was always like one life-saving attempt that happened per summer for somebody. It does look like if it was listed on a rental site, it'd be like, do you love drinking and a little bit of danger? Yeah.

Then Watch Island is the place for you. Right. And if you're like a 90s parent, that's the dream, you know? Yes. They were like, we're all just going to do this where, you know, you sit in the backseat and we drive to church drunk. and that's going to be what life is. It's such a small island. How often would you leave the island?

Like, would you leave every day? No, we would never leave. We would never. It was, and it was like where my great. Yeah, just to let people, it's 1.3 acres. So, I mean, it's great, but it's not big. It's not big. But like, if you're a kid, it's huge.

Yeah, right. You know, we'd get on the boat and we'd take boat rides around just to like, there was like a restaurant, you know, I can't remember the name of it, but we would take a boat ride to like go to a restaurant to like go out every once in a while. But for the most part, it was like every day we just walked around this, what I can only assume is a haunted house and, and like climbed around on these rocks and just had a great time. How many of you were there on a trip like that? So I think they sold the house shortly after the twins were born. So there was one, two, three, four, five, five of us that were, that were, and then my mom and dad.

And then whoever, whatever friends they brought with them. So, and their kids. Would you get to bring friends as well? Or it was like siblings are coming and. I wasn't like old enough to really be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to bring my friends along. You know, I think like maybe the last summer. that we spent there, I was like 12. Okay.

So I wasn't like, oh, yeah, I'm going to bring my friends on summer vacation age yet, like preteen. Did you, do you remember like having an emotional response to the news that they were going to sell Watch Island? Totally. Totally. It is crazy. I mean, it looks like it was, it's the sort of house where I wouldn't be surprised if everyone who stayed there wrote one book about it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it was a really incredible place. And I just remember having some of the best, the best memories there. I remember at one point, I was like a little bit of a chubby kid. And my parents were like, you know, how do we like bring this up with her? How do we like, how do we get her to like? And the most subtle way that they could think of was to be like, what if we just made her swim around the island? And so my mom was like, guess what? You and I are going to swim around the island today. And I was like, I don't want to do that. She was like, well, we're doing it. And she's like, suit up. And so I get in the water. And she sort of pitched it to me as like, we're just this is a bonding experience, you know, but kids pick up on, you know, so I was like, I know what this is. I know this is, you're sending me to fat camp right now, like by myself, it booked with you. It was, and she, my poor mom, she's like swimming. And I remember her just being like, be the bud, like yelling like, be the bud, like over these waves while I'm like, you know, just choking on salt water. And then I remember going to the attic where, because this was my great, great grandmother's house and finding like old like wedding veils. and old handkerchiefs and old, just old things and bringing them downstairs and being like, we're going to play dress up in this. And it would be like covered in spiders or something, you know.

Yeah. It was, yeah. A spider's dream is old wedding veil. Yeah. It makes them feel pretty. Perfect match. Yeah, they do. They look pretty in them.

So when, uh, be the bud, when did, when did you adopt bud as the nickname? I know it's sort of your Tom Boy nickname, right? I didn't. They just sort of named me that. They were like, it was Rosebud, and then I remember just being called Bud from like a very young age. I don't, like, I don't remember Rosebud. I know Rosebud was like pre-memory. And then by the time I was like conscious and could like form memories, I was being called Bud. My son calls me bro, which is very upsetting.

but a parent calling their kid Bud is even funnier to me. I know. I know, just like a trucker's name. Yeah. Especially when you come to it naturally, which is like rosebud is like very cute. But then when you like take the rose off, which is the rosemary part and just end up with bud, like with no context, you're like, why are they calling their daughter Bud? Yeah, I know. I seem very close with the other daughters.

And then that one seems like an old friend. I know, especially when you're like. Like, you're at the White House and you're in like an Easter dress and you're looking like a little lady. And then you hear your dad from across the lawn being like, bud! Like, okay. Did your parents have sort of southern accents? My dad does. Yeah.

Okay, gotcha. My mom doesn't because of the, all the time spent on the East Coast. But my dad for sure has that. Like, do you think your mother consciously tried to lose the accent or it just happened naturally? I don't know. that she ever really had one. Her parents weren't from Texas. You know, my dad's parents were from Texas.

So there was, that accent was just in the family for so long. And now when I'm with them, there is this kind of, I don't know, it's this desire to like, maybe I'm just immature, but I can't, I can't not copy their accent when I'm around them. Like I've tried. And I just can't. stop myself from being like, so what time's dinner? Like, I can't, I can't, I can't stop myself from doing that. Do they, do they take it as, as they're being mocked, or do they just appreciate your

falling back into it? I think that I don't, I really can't tell. If they, I would assume that they appreciate it, because if they did feel like they were being mocked, there would certainly be some sort of. They'd let you know. Yeah, they'd let me know. Yeah. Yeah.

That's good. Yeah, they'd lunge across it. What was the dynamic on the eight-hour drive? Like, what was the car? How did you interact with your siblings? It's awful. No music. It was always, there was always music.

There was always one portion of the car ride that was like, you know, karaoke. Oh, that's good. Yeah. I remember, I remember certainly my mom playing the Meredith. What's her last name? I can't remember her last name. But that song, bitch. Oh, yeah.

My mom got a real kick out of all of us yelling the lyrics to that song. Michelle Branch. Michelle Branch. I don't know. Meredith Brooks. Meredith Brooks. Okay. Meredith Brooks.

Yeah. Branch is someone else. Yeah. Did I get it right or did I say Medi? You did. You got it right. I just guessed a name of a singer. Josh was like, not only do I not think it's a Meredith, I mean, to guess someone else.

He couldn't have been more wrong. Well, I remember being in the backseat. And all of us like really being like, now is our chance we can yell this word and our parents are going to laugh about it. And so I remember that. I also remember portions of the car ride where everyone asked every five minutes, when will we be there? There was always, you know, my dad or mom threatening to pull the car over, somebody farting, inevitably somebody farting. and everyone turning on that person in a way that was like, you're no longer a part of this family.

Yeah. Do you, it is so funny, like, if you, because the thing about it is, like, you can deny it for as long as you want, but like, once you admit it, you've just basically given everybody your fingerprints. Exactly. And then, like, everyone after that has that sort of, uh, yeah, bouquet to it. After that, anyone can do it and blame it on you. So it's like, never admit, never, never admit.

Did you, were both of your parents disciplinarians or was one more so than the other? No, definitely my dad. My dad was definitely the disciplinarian. It's very funny now to see my father because he's just like, it's almost like all of the testosterone has sort of drained from his body. And he's like, he like collects orchids and has like a special room in his home for his cat and is like the gentlest, sweetest man. But like at the time, he was just a terrifying individual. And I remember my mom being like, I'm going to call your dad being basically like, I'm calling the cops. And I remember when my dad, you would hear my dad's footsteps and you would just, you would just be like, I got to find a hole in the wall somewhere.

Yeah. Yeah. That rings a bell. Yeah. Yeah. Very, they're very kind. footsteps are, you can hear him from a while away. A little bit of time, a little bit of time to scatter. Are you surprised that your dad's chilling out over the years? I'm very pleasantly surprised by it.

Yeah. I mean, to see my dad with his grandkids now is, I will say, there's a little bit of bitterness where I'm like, where was this guy? What the, where were you? You know? Yeah. Skips a generation. Yeah.

It's like, what the? You know, but I'm like, I think it's even the bigger burn I've heard from friends of mine who's like, whose dad remarried and had like a second set of kids. Yeah. And so like it's not even like grandkids. It's just like needed like 15 year gap. And then it's like real cool guy now. Yeah. You're like brutal.

This is brutal. Yeah. I mean, uh, my dad, luckily he did not have more kids. I think he was like by the time he got remarried. He'd had five daughters. and he was just like, there's no possible way. You could ever convince me, you know? But he certainly was waiting on grandkids for a while.

You know, he was like, with five daughters, he just could not believe that by the time I turned 30, he was like, well, where, what, what's going on? You know? I remember one time he called me up and he was like, I guess in his mind, he was like, maybe it's the nickname. Maybe that's why she hasn't found somebody.

And he was like, you know, you got to change your, he's like, you can't call yourself bud anymore, you know. And I was like, well, I don't. I call myself Rosebud. And he's like, well, you're no Rosebud either. You know. He's like, we got to go back to the drawing board entirely. What?

How many grandkids does he have now? He's got three. Okay, got three. Yeah. My sister has two kids. And I have one. And my other sister, my other sister is just married, but is not planning on having kids. And then one of them is like more, more like me.

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Did you bear witness to that? I know it's, like, it's kind of a harrowing thing, I'm sure, for the horses, but, like, Like thousands of people go to witness this thing. Yeah. And you were there for that? Yeah, I have a vague, vague recollection of it where it was just like, but what I remember from that was just crowds of people, you know? Right.

And being put up on my dad's shoulders and then, but not really getting to see anything. So it's like the, I wish I could, actually, it's like a good idea for me to just bring my daughter to see it. I don't know if they're still doing it. Are they still doing it? My wife's an equestrian and my wife would say like, this is terrible for horses. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it's like not a good thing that a lot of people are like, I don't know.

I like watching it. But yeah. Yeah. But I've definitely like I've seen videos of it. And it, I imagine as a kid it would be thrilling. But if you can't see anything, you can't see anything. I know. And it's also like you've got to be a certain age of kid to appreciate that.

You know what I mean? And I think I was just too young. I think I was like two or three at the time, you know? So I don't really remember it that well. Yeah. I remember things like, weirdly enough. Like I remember concerts. I remember like going to Paul McCartney as a kid.

Was that with your parents? That was with my parents. Yeah. That's very cool. Yeah. It was very cool first concert. That's great. Where was that?

I don't remember. All I remember is like the music. And I remember being like, oh, this is, oh, cool. We're like watching music. Yeah. And in my child's mind, I was like, I didn't know you could watch music. Right. Did you, were you, was your family, the kind of family that, like, introduced you to the Beatles?

Like when you were in a car, was that, like, when you went to see, Paul McCartney, were you like, I know all these songs? I didn't know all the songs, but I remember my parents playing them on the way and being like, you're really going to love this. This is, this is your dad and I used to listen to this at blah, blah, blah, blah. They'd give me these whole stories about their connection to the music. And I think that's what made me so interested in it was like, oh, this is like kind of the story of my parents a little bit.

So I was really into that aspect of it. Our dad, we have a really interesting thing with our dad, which is he doesn't like the Beatles. He doesn't? Nope. It's a very funny thing when like over or like early in your life, your dad like puts a flag in the ground that the Beatles are overrated. Yeah. I kind of can appreciate it. I can.

I mean, I like the Beatles. I really do. but I can appreciate that. Well, I can appreciate it. I think in general, like, I mean, again, the Beatles are great. Let me just say. It hasn't been passed down. But there is that thing where like there's any band where like the people you know who like really like the Beatles, you're kind of like, all right.

Yeah. Right. We get it. We get it. Yeah. Also, it's like, oh, do you like the Beatles? Yeah. That's great.

What a cool. Did your have your parents, did your parents ever, uh, Do they ever travel to see you do stand up? Do they ever come and see you? No, I tell them not to do that. I say please don't do that. So they've never come or do they ever sleep? I mean, you did it.

You kind of started a little bit later, right? So there wasn't. Yeah, I started a little bit later. And also, like, I hid it from them successfully for years where I would just hide it like a drug addiction where I was like, just that's like a life that I have that nobody needs to know about. and I can tell them that I'm up to other things, you know? And then I couldn't hide it after a while because I'd gotten, I booked this like documentary that followed comics that were trying to get into the Just for Last comedy festival as like a new face.

And so when that, when I booked that, I was like, okay, so we got to have a conversation and I told them what I'd been up to for the last like four years. And they were like, what? What, like, what are you talking about? And I was like, yeah, I've just been doing this. And I booked this thing. And they were like, oh, my God. Because it was like, like, I moved to New York to be an actor and then decided that I didn't want to do it anymore.

And was like, I'll just be like a social worker or something. And I'll do comedy while I figure out what I'm going to do with my life. and then because it was fun and it was like I could do it without anybody giving me permission and so when I and my parents were aware that I was like sort of recalibrating and figuring out what I was going to do that was going to be really sensible and so when I called them and I was like hey I booked this documentary I'm going to go to this festival in Canada to be a stand-up comic They were like, what are you talking about? What could you like?

I decided to make a giant left turn from sensible. Right. Yeah. They were like, this is so much worse than what we had imagined. You can't believe what we've been telling our friends. Yeah. And how long did it take for them to kind of come around to it? I would say, I mean, they came around pretty quickly.

Once they realized that I had jokes. They were like, oh, okay, few. You know, it's like that feeling of like, oh, my God, this is, now we just have to watch her, like, embarrass herself for the rest of her life, you know, which they're not wrong. But it was like, at least she's doing what she intended to do, you know, like, yes, she's being laughed at, but she wants to be. So we'll. Right. She's made this choice. Yeah, yeah.

I just like, were you saying, like, once they realized you had jokes? Like, in my mind, I want to imagine that the very first call, they were like, do you have jokes? You know how this works? Bud, please tell us you have jokes. Where are your jokes? Do you have tags? Do you have runners? What do you have?

Yeah. Are there any? How good's your closer? Yeah. They truly were like, what could this possibly be? Because I think probably in their mind, the worst of it would be just me on stage. just like watching an SNL audition where I'm like running around. There's like moments of long silences where I'm gathering wigs.

And then, you know, to my parents, that that would be a nightmare to them. Right. So they were like, okay, at least she's talking the whole time. And there's no like moments where she has to like change a costume to silence, you know. Right, right, right. That's terrifying to them. Yeah. And also to me, if I'm being honest.

I will say that when we used to, and Josh does not care for when this podcast beers into SNL, so it'll be very brief. Yeah. When people audition for SNL, and oftentimes it was worth the freight, like once you got through the moment where they put a wigged on, it was fantastic. But I will say that moment of like being sitting and observing while someone quietly puts a wig on. Yeah. Is real hard for me. It's pretty abysmal. It's pretty abysmal.

Yeah. And by the way, I'm not saying it was often more than worth it. But I did not know that. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's like when you over commit to a bit, you know, a real physical bit and it lands you on the ground. And then you have to slowly get up to silence. Yeah. I just tried a new on the ground physical bit just this week. And I had that exact.

I didn't realize until you said it. But I'm like, oh, right. That was the worst part is like I thought I would get up during laughter. Yeah. Yeah. Instead, I feel like they heard my knee click. on your show you did it or to your children? No, I just stand up this weekend.

And it's like, this is going to crush. And then you're like on the ground and you're like, maybe I'll just stay here. Yeah, yeah. Maybe I'll act like I fell. Maybe I'll act like I'm hurt. Yeah, that way at least they'll clap when I get on. Yeah, sympathy.

I'll be like, I think I can get back up. Maybe a round of applause. Tinkerbell me up. Right. Yeah. Congratulations on your book. Thank you. Thanks so much for talking to us. This has been fantastic. Thank you guys for having me. This has been awesome. I might bud you when I see you in person. I hope that's okay. Please do. I might go with the bud. I would love that. Yeah. Before we let you go, Josh is going to hit you up with our speed round questions. Lightning round. All right. Here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous or educational? I would say adventurous. Very good. What is your favorite means of transportation?

Train. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? Oh, that's, um, okay, can it be like a chosen family? Like, I would really love to spend one day on Gilligan's Island. Great. Oh, that's perfectly fine. Yeah, definitely. Great. Speaking of desert islands, though, if you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? My sister, Jackie. Great.

And how much older is, is Jackie older or younger? Jackie's 10 years younger than me. Oh, my God. And so, just because you mentioned, how, what was your, at what point were you and Jackie close? Because that's a big gap. We've always been close. She's always been, like, she's always been troubled. You know what I mean?

That's what my family would, like, categorize her. They're like, well, bless her heart. Jackie's troubled, you know. And I was the one who was troubled before Jackie came along. So when she came along and I saw that that label was quickly being sort of switched to her, I took on this sort of protective, like, role in her life and found that like she and I, you know, there are certain members of your family that you're like, yeah, we're friends because we're family. But Jackie, I'm like, I would hang out with you whether we were related or not, you know.

Fantastic. Where is Jackie now geographically? She lives in Chicago. Okay, great. Yeah. Do you see her fair enough? Do you feel like you're doing good? I do. I see her a lot. She comes to, she took my daughter to Disneyland with me this year just, you know, for kicks. And if I need her to, like, she'll watch my kid on the road. If I pay for her flight. Yeah. She's an artist. So I'm like, if I just use Miles to get her out there, like, and my kid is obsessed with her. I mean, it sounds like it. What is like, can you just, if you can remember, like, what's the dynamic like with you and Jackie when you're like 15 and she's five?

We were just like the naughty girls. I was like, we're just naughty girls, you know? And I remember like whatever it was that she wasn't allowed to do, I was like, let's go do it. Right. Do you think, looking back, if you could give them like truth serum that your parents thought you were a bad implausen or felt so grateful that there was someone who spoke Jackie? No, I think I was definitely a bad influence. I think that, you know, by the time, because when I was 27, Jackie and I, like, took these golf carts out.

My dad's, like, club and flipped both the golf carts sober and then tried to tow those golf carts out of the water with my dad's, my stepmother's BMW. you. And because we were like, if we could just tow them out, then nobody's going to find out about this. Right. And I, I could not. I remember my dad being like, did you relapse? And I remember that's the funniest part where you actually, you guys were so dumb that you want. You're like, please tell me you were drunk. Yeah. Please tell me you were drunk. And I was like, I really wish I could tell you that. I genuinely wish I could tell you that. But you flipped them, you flip them into water? We flipped them into water. And then... When the first one went in, the one behind did not have time to think...

We went in at the same time. So we were like, we were racing up this hill and we came all over the hill and we were like, oh, look, there's a river here. And we just... We were just in the river. You know? Yeah. And I'm guessing the towing out didn't do... Was it really the play? Well, once we landed in the river, Jackie was like, you don't understand. I can't do this. Jackie had been kicked out of three schools in one year. And she was like, I, she's like, I flipped a golf cart this summer. And there was a girl who had to go to the hospital. And I was like, okay, so we can't like tell dad about this.

We got to just like solve this. And I'm 27. So I'm an adult. I can do this. You know, I can handle this. And I had this brilliant idea that we could tow them out with this, like, SUV. And, but I was like, Jackie, you sit in the front. and drive forward while I, like, rig it.

And so I'm sitting back, and Jackie is so nervous that she hits reverse and just backs up into both golf carts. Oh, my God. And the fact that that didn't end up, you didn't end up with three cars in the river is actually a triumph. Yeah. I mean, it was like, we, I remember being like, well, now we have to tell. We've got to tell, you know.

Yeah. And I remember being like, and. look, I'll just take the, I'll take it. You know, I was like, I'll take this one on the chin. And I'm like, I don't live with him. So, you know, I'll deal with it. And to this day, I don't know that he knows that Jackie was involved at all with that. Well, hopefully he won't listen to this.

I mean, it feels like you should try to be able to piece it together based on the second cart. For sure. What was your story? You're like, I drove one in and then I drove a second one in. open to knock the first one out. Yeah, the towing aspect, I was like, I'll, I'll take that, you know. God, that's really good. I love Jackie being like, I can't go to a fourth school.

Well, she's troubled. She's troubled. She's troubled. Hi, I'm Jackie. I'm troubled, if you're wondering why I'm here. If you're wondering why I'm joining you in February. Right. Yeah, she's like, I was kicked out of my school.

I was trying to steal from a vending machine and my arm got stuck. So I was kicked out. All right. Continuing on, what is your dream destination for a family vacation? I would really like to go to Greece. Okay, great. And you are from Alexandria, Virginia. If you had to get more families to come visit Alexandria,

what would you say to them? You know, come visit Alexandria because you'll meet people that are just exactly like you. Like, yeah, there's come to Alexandria, it could be anywhere. That's great. Great. Yeah, that's great. I mean, you can almost hear the people booking.

You could be anything. Yeah. It could be anywhere. Yeah. And then Seth has our final questions. Rosebud, have you been at the Grand Canyon? I have. And was it worth it?

Yeah. Great. That's the kind of answer. You're never going to hear a more honest answer. That's my new answer. Yeah. Posh. I've long said it's kind of not worth it, but that's really the truth.

It's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember standing there and being like, I guess I'm not really a views girl. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right. If you're not views forward.

Yeah. Yeah. That's not views forward. No. Not really a views gal, I guess. No. No. the amount that I'm just like, you know what I like?

Sometimes like, you know, my whatever my MacBook picture is, I'm like, oh, that's nice. Yeah. Right. You know what's one thing to say when you've gone on a really long hike with somebody that they're very excited to show you the top. And then you touch the top with them and you go, I'm not really a views guy, I guess. Yeah. I'm not into the views. I don't mind like, I don't mind trudging, I should say.

I prefer a view that at least you get a like a workout in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I like the dream. Thank you so much for your honesty about one of our great national treasures. Absolutely.

It's the least I can do. Thanks so much for joining us, Reds, bud. Thank you, guys. Nice to meet you too. Have a great rest of your day. All right, you too. Bye. Bye.

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