Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers - ZOEY AND MADDIE DEUTCH Went Gorilla Trekking

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

This week on the pod, Seth and Josh welcome sisters Zoey Deutch and Maddie Deutch! Zoey and Maddie talk about their incredibly close sibling bond, how years of childhood fights eventually gave way to a deep friendship, and Maddie serving as her legal guardian at one point! They also share stories about growing up with lots of rescue animals, memorable family trips to Montana with a dog and an African gray parrot, and why food is still the centerpiece of how they travel today. Plus, they recount adventurous sister trips through Switzerland and Africa and chat about Zoey’s latest project, Voicemails for Isabelle! Watch this episode on the Family Trips YouTube or Spotify, or listen wherever you get your podcasts! Watch more Family Trips episodes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlqYOfxU_jQem4_NRJPM8_wLBrEEQ17B6 ------------------------- 00:00 Introduction with Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers 07:20 Meet The Deutsch Sisters 08:07 Sister Bullying And Bonding 28:13 Childhood Trips And Montana 30:42 Switzerland Sister Getaway 32:52 Africa Trip Gorilla Trek 43:16 Food First Family 44:02 Games: Mahjong Cribbage 53:39 Growing Up On Set 01:00:13 Castles Are Overrated 01:02:10 Ghosts Chelsea Hotel 01:06:03 Speed Round Farewell ------------------------- Support our sponsors: Hero Bread Hero Bread is offering 10% off your order. Go to https://hero.co and use code TRIPS at checkout. Cash App Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/4aafc4yf #CashAppPod Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card at cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement, for the Sutton debit flex card at cash.app/legal/us/en-us/debit-flex-card-agreement-sutton and for the Bancorp debit flex card at cash.app/legal/us/en-us/debit-flex-card-agreement-bancorp. Savings and Offers provided by Cash App, a Block Inc. brand. Offers may not be affiliated with third party merchants. Parents and legal guardians can open a managed account for kids 6-12. Cash App will pass through a portion of the interest paid on your savings balance held in an account for the benefit of Cash App customers at Wells Fargo Bank, N.A., Member FDIC. To earn interest on your Cash App savings balance, you need to have sponsor approval. Exceptions may apply. Savings yield rate is subject to change. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. ------------------------- Family Trips is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Theme song written and performed by Jeff Tweedy. ------------------------- About the Show: Lifelong brothers Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers ask guests to relive childhood memories, unforgettable family trips, and other disasters! New Episodes of Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers are available every Tuesday. ------------------------- Executive Producers: Rob Holysz, Jeph Porter, Natalie Holysz Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Coordinating Producer: Derek Johnson Video Editor: Josh Windisch Mix & Master: Josh Windisch Episode Artwork: Analise Jorgensen #familytrips #sethmeyers #joshmeyers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, Balsie. Hey, Sufi. How's it going? Good. How are you? Good. Axel goes to like an arts camp and he was in a play this week. Okay.

What was the play? So there's a different theme every week at the camp and this theme, the theme this week was space. And they write their own plays. The play was four and a half minutes long. Great. I'll send you a video of the play. Oh, perfect. I'll watch all of it.

And Addy goes to camp. camp with him. And so it's really fun because they kind of rehearse, they write and rehearse the play all week. And Axel was like, I'm an astronaut named Bob. For whatever reason, Axel's favorite name is Bob. He says, hey, Bob, to everybody. All right.

It is a great name. It's a great name. Yeah. Also, one of my favorite things is one time Axel said to me, if I have a kid I'm going to name it Alexi oh he said if he goes if I have a daughter I'm going to name it Alexi and I go oh that's really nice and what if you have a son

what are you going to name it and he said Bob Lett I was like oh it's just impossible to predict so anyway I knew that Axel was going to be an astronaut and Addy was going to be an alien but Addy did not have any lines but Axel had a lot of lines so anyway one of the parents sent me a video of this play that was last Thursday and I was in New York doing the show. Axel's really good.

Great. Now, one of the reasons he's elevated beyond his other castmates only one in a costume. They're all just kids in camp clothes and Axel wore a full... What's the toy story dude? Buzz Lightyear?

Yeah, full Buzz Lightyer. Which he might wear on a day when he's not doing it. On a regular day. Yeah. They might have been just like circumstance, serendipity that he was dressed for the part.

But they sang a song. They discovered a new planet. The aliens came out. We're mostly just the kids that were too young to have lines. And I would say their performance matched that. Their energy was that. But it was great.

It was really fun to watch. I'm very happy with his performance. Yeah. So what's, do you know what the theme next week will be? International trade. Oh. Yeah, it was fairies and trolls space, and then I think it's international trade.

Yeah, well, maybe he can play Ponky. Yeah, oh, you'll play Ponky. Pongy the donkey. How about you? How's everything going? Good. I'm off to, as we record this, I'm off to Comic-Con later today. So.

I get my list of everything I need you to buy for me. Yeah. And then, yeah, I've got a lot of stuff coming up. I've got a birthday, a weekend with our pal, Brendan Hunt, who has just been all over this World Cup. He and Rebecca Lowe have had this podcast. And then I texted him, and he at some point had texted you and I during the World Cup. And he was like, hey, I might try to go to the next Holland game.

It's going to be on the 4th of July. It's going to be in Houston. He's like, but I don't want to get ahead of it because first, Holland will have to beat Morocco. But I'm just putting this in the back of your mind. And I really was like, am I going to go to Houston for the 4th of July for a soccer game? And I was like, I probably would. And then sure enough, Holland loses.

And so I knew he was traveling all over and he was going to see all these games and he was doing this podcast. And I reached out before the final. And I was like, hey, are you going to get to be at the final? And he's like, yes, I will be there. And I was like, oh, awesome. And then I'm watching at home, and he's in the halftime show. Yeah. He and Jason Sunnaker because they're in the halftime show to introduce Justin Bieber.

And as Bieber is walking onto the pitch, and Brandon is holding up the sort of substitution thing that just says Belib. And he made no mention that he was going to be in the show, which is awesome. Did not know that until I returned home, and our text chain was exploding with praise for Brando because I was at the game, and when you're at the game, you don't watch the halftime show. Yeah. Yeah.

You just drink some beers. But it was so, I had the best time. And it was so hot, and it was obviously logistically, a little tricky getting there. But man, oh man, so glad I went. So much fun. And you, I mean, it was a great game. Spain, Argentina, and you happen to be sitting behind a pretty big Spain fan.

Chef Jose Andreas, not only a huge Spain fan, but I'm going to say one of the best 10 living humans as far as what they give back to the world. And so I went in a little agnostic about who I wanted to win, and then I just saw the friendliest, happiest, most lovely man, and I wanted good things to happen for him. And I was dreading that it would be a game that would go to penalty kicks and so relieved that it did not.

Yeah. And it was just great. Yeah. It really, it was a great tournament, and I had some friends over here to watch the final. But it's, yeah, it always, you know, the Euros we always sort of watch and the World Cup we watch.

And it was great. I, you know, did a few of the games at bars with a bunch of people, a few of the games at home with some friends. And kind of couldn't take my eyes off it. Yeah, I'm a little sad it's over. Yeah. Especially, you know, like you said, it was very disappointing for those of us who love the Dutch. But, you know what?

People are happy. Happiness reigns. Man, we got lucky. We got to speak to some really nice sisters this week. Yeah. The Deutsch sisters. The Deutsches. Maddie.

Zoe. And you know what I love? Sisters, any siblings, really, who are both truly themselves with each other, own their foibles, own the bumps of their upbringing. And, yeah, so it was a great conversation. We laughed a lot, and we really do hope you enjoy it. I will also say, just as a quick teaser, I think the song for this one was a little out of my range. Oh, vocally?

A little out of my range. But I couldn't back off. It was written. I got into my little closet to record it. Yeah. I couldn't back off. Thank you for letting everybody know in advance. Yeah, I know.

I'm letting you know that I know. Sound off in the comments. If you think that the Pasha's being true about how out of his range it was. All right, love you all Love you, Sufi. Love you, Pudgy. Family Chips, brothers. Yes.

Same computer. Hello. Hey, guys. Two sisters, same computer. Are you guys usually this codependent? Yeah. Great question. Yes.

That's great. It's nice. I'm asking I have not made one decision myself my entire life. So my wife and her sister are the same age gap four years and just deeply codependent. Have they always been? Yeah. I mean, I think, well, I was going to ask, I does feel like there were some bully years.

And so, Maddie, I'll let you answer first. Do you feel like, and no, just know, I'm going to let Zoe go next. Do you feel like you were a bully? Yes. Okay. No hesitation. No hesitation. No shame.

No regret. Yeah, no, I was not. Like our poor mom, she got a Scorpio and an Ares. She didn't get a break. Yeah. But I thought back. That's the thing. She might have bullied me, but I tried to bully her back.

So I think she's had, it's, we've, I think there's been an equal amount of torture. Yeah. Was it, was it physical or more psychological? Both. Both? Well, one time. I was so pissed off with her. I don't know how I thought this was, it did get to you.

Do you remember when I went into your closet and I took every piece of your clothing out of all the drawers, all of the shelves, and I threw them on the ground? Yeah. Oh, I thought you were going to talk about the time you stole a bunch of my stuff and then like went to a rave and like got stuck in the rain and ruined like all my favorite things. I don't remember. The second one is more understandable. The second one is I needed an outfit. You know, I'm going to steal an outfit. The first one is a real psychic.

move of any anytime the crime includes the word everything. Remember when I did everything? When I took everything out because there's just it takes so long and at no point that did Zoe take her foot off the gas is really great to me.

But let's go back because I do think this has been unfair. We've talked about two bullying incidences from me. Do you have any sort of things you want to share to the class about ways in which you bullied me? There's too many. There's really too many to count. It's I have not been a good person.

We're working on that still now. But did you, so my question is with that age gap, like, at what point do you become peers? Like, at what point does the four years disappear and you become just friends? Because it seems like you are. I have a specific memory of Zoe visiting me when I was in college. And I started college earlier. I was like 17. And she came to me and it was like.

And it hard. Literally, no, I just... I started at 17 because 16 seemed too early, so I deferred for a year. You know what that's called? It's called never doing my math homework and cheating the entire way. Oh, great.

That is. My only reoccurring nightmare is that they go, you have to go back to high school and do math. Yeah. But she came to visit me and, like, I have a... It was kind of like a core memory. I remember you coming to visit me in New York, and it felt like the first time.

You were young. You were probably... 15, 14 and a half or something. I just graduated college. You took a year off before postdoc. Yeah, sort of wanted to wander, travel, see the world. Yeah, but I remember that being really sweet because it felt like the first time we were also out of our parents' environment. And I think it helps for a younger sibling, too, when the older one goes and they get to get like the focus.

You know what I mean? I think that's the younger kid for a beat. I don't know if your wife talks about this too with her sister, but the level of difference between us as human beings because of your hormones when you're like 13 versus 17 is just so astronomical that, you know, it got so much easier the closer. Yeah. I feel like once I turned 17, I feel like we started to get.

Yeah. And then the problem is you decide to have kids and then your hormones go buck wild again. And you're like, I need to turn on my sister. Yeah, you're totally unwell again. You're like, oh, I remember what I do in troubling times of hormones. I turn on my kin. When Zoe came to visit you, Maddie, did you, like, were you taking her to parties? Or were you sort of doing more tame college things because she was 14 or 15?

We were definitely parties. Yeah, I think we were parties. I think, but also Zoe was like. really mature for her age. Like she could definitely hang. I think we probably went to some college parties. Maddie, when I had my first, so I got emancipated. I started working at, I think, around 14 or so.

And I asked if I could get emancipated so that I could work legal hours. Because honestly, it just was more work to, like, go sit in a classroom. And I couldn't focus on the work. I was just on the homework. I was like, I wanted to learn and see everything. So I got emancipated. But I still, my mom. Mom was still like, I don't know, I want you to have a legal guardian.

It was my first time going on location to bat. I was, where was it? No, New Orleans. Maddie came and was my legal guardian when she was, you were 18? No, no, I was, I was 20 because I had graduated college a year early, also because I cheated my way to college. And also, also because I'm a degenerate. And I was like so rudderless that our mom was just like, you are purposeless. Like, you have to go.

She was like, Zoe needs supervision. She's insane. Well, both. I was purposeless and you were insane. And so she was like, you have to go be with her in New Orleans. But it was like a free for all. But when I imagine like I'm a child, you're a child, you're taking care of me. We're in New Orleans.

It was so. Living on pretty. I actually. It's very funny that your mom would have what looking back was just a terrible instinct. Like that it was born of concern for Zoe's well-being. And then she, it seems like, and again, we're very, you know, early. into our relationship, Maddie, but it does seem like you were just a terrible choice. I was the absolute worst possible choice.

No, but you know what? What my mom's greatest hope and wishes is that we stay close and stay friends. Her greatest nightmare is the family, you know, pulling apart. She just is so obsessed with us staying together and not fighting and be. So she didn't care what happened on the trip as long as we were okay. We were friends. We were, you know, having a good, I think that that was, that's like her, um, I think that's how it feels until she sees this.

And she's like, whoa, what happened on the trip? You did major in guardianship, though, right, Maddie? Yeah, exactly. 20 years old, I was majoring in being a grown-up. No math. New Orleans is a good place. You know, there's a lot of guardrails just there. Totally.

Yeah. Totally. Or sorry, drive-thru-dac-thoucats. They're like hurricanes and like, yeah. Yes. It was awesome. Good time. It was great times.

I had a memory the other day of going to a yoga class, and my dinner after in New Orleans that night was I went to a bar across the street, had two whiskeys and a bag of chips. Perfect. That was healthy. Yeah. Are you, do you guys feel like you were, I have a stereotype about L.A. kids, which is you just, like New York kids,

which I'm raising now, so, you know, no judgment. But like that you do, in general mature faster. Did you feel like when you went out? to like college and stuff. Maddie, you were like, oh, most kids aren't where I'm at. I have such a mixed answer on this because L.A. is also weirdly like a small town. So, like Zoe and I both have the same thing where our best friends now. We have like three or four of the same best friends that have been our best friends since we were like four or five.

So there's this weird super close-knit thing, I think, that happens. And also I feel like because it's such an. a major kind of city, people like leave, but they always come back. So it's all your people from your childhood are kind of like still here. So I think it's like yes and no. But in terms of like going out, going to shows, yeah, I guess that happened. But I do think it's crazier in New York. My friends that grew up in the city, I feel like really mature and super fast.

Where are you guys from? New Hampshire. We grew up in southern New Hampshire. It's like an hour north of Boston, but very like American suburb. Like more, if I always feel like. My wife first came to New Hampshire. I think she was picturing Robert Frost, and she was like, oh, T-C-B-Y. I'm like, yes.

And where's your wife from? She's from New Mexico. And, like, when you go, where she grew up is exactly what you picture from New Mexico. You know? Which part of New Mexico? She's between Albuquerque and Santa Fe. And so. I'm here.

Yeah. It's great. New Mexico, I love New Mexico so much for three days. And then I'm like, all right. I need to eat some other kinds of foods. Yeah, you don't just want the green chilies. Yeah. You want it a lot for like three days.

And then you're like small intestines like, hey, let's get on the horn with Delta. Get out of here. I feel like the truth is, I agree with you. I agree with you that there's like an element of growing up pretty fast in either New York or L.A. But I don't want to believe that because I, but I think you're right. I think it's true. But you guys also, your parents are, you know, were in the entertainment industry, but then you also, at least from what I've read, like grew up on like a little ranch sort of a thing with a lot of animals. So you weren't necessarily just like Hollywood kids.

Well, we're pretty Hollywood. I know you're pretty Hollywood. But was that your life or was it sort of sectioned off? Guess who's not a reliable narrator? Double nepo. Yeah. Yeah, our mom, God bless her, was like so obsessed with trying to do whatever she could to like push as much as possible against, I don't know, whatever the culture of L.A. can be. So she used to get a lot of compliments from flight attendants being like, your kids are really well behaved. and I think to her that was the height of like,

right. I mean, our mom was, like, strict in the sense. She was. For sure. Like,

I would not call, we would, I would not say she, I mean, it wasn't a trend then, but like, gentle parenting was, you know what I mean?

She really wanted us, like, be polite and, like, show up and look adults. Yeah, that area of her life, she was strict on. Yeah,

other, she had no ability to, in terms of me going crazy as a kid. She couldn't. But our mom always said, this is like a little deep, But our mom always says this, like, beautiful thing about Zoe that I feel like I really resonate. I have a one and a half year old now and a girl, and I feel like I really resonate listening to her talk about this.

She always used to say this thing about raising Zoe, which was like, she was like, I intuited from seeing her as a little girl that I could either like try to break her spirit because she was so, like, bombastic and alive in the world and confident and big. like I could either try to crush her spirit or I could just like take the risk of like letting her fly and just kind of like be who she was, which was like scarier because it was like a lot of energy and a lot of person. It was scary. Yeah.

But I like love that as a parent. It's such a like beautiful thing to like acknowledge kind of who your kid actually is and then be like, okay, I'm going to try and really let them be that. It's very funny to me that there's another telling of that story where it ends with. And my mom decided to break her spirit. And yet Zoe prevailed. And when she was about 12, my mom said, you win, Zoe.

Well, since we are, you know, it's family trips. Speaking of squashing a spirit, we should mention we have unfortunately squashed our mother's spirit in the context of traveling. My mother cannot travel. She cannot be, even the idea of the airport, the idea of a plane she sent into like a different dimension of her personality. And she says it's because we were so traumatic to travel with. Despite her, also saying flight attendant said that we were polite, maybe we took it out on her, but she has this like, we did some bad stuff. She has this like undelt with anxiety over traveling with, because she had to travel a lot with two kids alone without my dad or anything, and, you know,

whatever, which most people do, I get. And I now see how hard it is with you and Robbie. but we have since seen the effects of what we've done to her when we fly. She can't calm down. She has to go to the airport like four hours early. She's like running through the terminal. She completely abandons you. She's like, we have to get there. It's intense.

Well, Maddie, you said you did some bad stuff. What kind of bad stuff were you guys doing? I mean, apparently I threw tantrum. So my mom has a story of like, I threw tantrum so bad that she locked herself in the bathroom and let everyone else get off the plane. She was afraid to look anyone in the eye. She, like, stayed in the bathroom with me for an extra, like, 40 minutes

until no one was on the plane anymore. There was a lot of that. I think you were better to travel with than I was. It goes back to me being a bully. Yeah. It also sounds like, again, just based on this bathroom thing, everybody's better to travel with than you. Like, I mean, that's like Damien in the omen.

I feel like even his mom was like, I don't think we got to go in the bathroom for 40 minutes. How has it been traveling with your one and a half-year-old? Oh, it's so hard. I mean, Josh, you have kids too? I do not, no. Yeah, but I got them. We're over the hump with, because again, our youngest is our daughter and she matured faster to begin with. And so we really now flying is kind of, and I wouldn't say it's lovely, but it is so lovely compared to what it used to be like.

that it feels like the vacation officially starts on the plane because the kids are just like self-sufficient and they want to do your own thing and when that day comes mattie you'll be a you'll be a happy person i'm really excited today is not coming soon yeah um but it's impressive you guys travel a lot together and with your dog and the whole thing and you're always on a plane and going on a week you're like very impressive about it we just got delayed for 30 hours in jfk with uh our giant pit bull and are 18 month old and it was wild we didn't actually leave jfk until midnight and the baby you know when they're like overtired and it's like they've it i don't know it's like their energy quadruple and you cannot i anyway i don't have any smart thing or funny thing it's just like

literally traumatizing you're like what do i do what do you guys think about the online discourse about planes that you can get that you can have let me go back and stop you're speak English and not have a stroke. If you guys are open to it, I'd love to. Well, I'm going to interrupt. I don't think based on the words this is discourse. These are. And by the way, I'm just going to back up and pause and start again.

I don't even know how to say it. There's a discourse about what if there was a plane you could get on and book without children on it. Right. I, you know, God bless, but there has to be a few things left that are community. I'm just like, you know, sorry. Yeah. I have the opposite thing, which is when I get on a plane and I see a baby, I'm stoked and I love babies. And even if they're screaming, I'm happy because then if I'm scared about the plane or if there's turbulence, whatever, I look to the baby to be like, it's okay.

Like there's something else that's dogs and babies in general calm me down, even if they're freaking out. So I don't have, I'm a part of the opposite side of the discourse. I agree with you. Do you ever think it's like good? karma when you're on a plane with a screaming baby and you're just like, it's all good. I always thought about it like for posterity. Like I was staying into the like screaming baby piggy bank. I was like, okay.

If I'm just like super chill about the screaming baby, then when I have a screaming baby, no one's going to be mad at me. I'm the reverse, which is I feel like I only in retrospect now am incredibly patient because of my kids. Like I'm not, I'm not, I'm paying it backward as opposed to forward. I'm like, hey, I feel like I oh, carmically owe people based on how loud my kids. kids have been on planes. But I do, I, I, I'm very zen now when a baby's melting down because I know for a fact that it's worse for the parent than it is for me. Yeah, yeah, it is. I also think it's

incumbent upon you to have noise canceling headphones. And if they're somehow like, those are too expensive, you can get those like things that people wear at gun ranges. They're not expensive, just like those headphones to just like block out like gunfire. Like, just bring those. If, If you can't handle it, then do something like that. I will tell you, I would be more put off by a man wearing gunfire headphones than a screaming baby. So I would like people not to do that. Having been to a gun range before, I actually do think the screaming baby is more upsetting than the sound of the guns. Oh, 100% yes.

I'm kind of with you both, you know? I see it both ways. They look like headphones. They just don't plug in it. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from Cash app. Hey, Bosch. Yes, Suf.

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We're going to play games. We're going to watch movies. We're going to do a lot of things out. And we're going to do a lot of stuff in. And every one of our Pittsburgh trips has been made so much better because we have booked a home through Airbnb. Yeah. It is. We stay in a neighborhood that just allows you and the boys.

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terms, and more at applecard.com. What kind of travel did you do when you were kids? Everywhere. Parents took us everywhere. Oh, I was going to literally say the opposite. We didn't travel that much. We would go to Montana every winter, but otherwise we did not travel that much. But you guys, you know, we went to therapy together a couple years ago to sort of work out some whatever stuff, sister stuff.

And it was wonderful and really, really, um, it was. was really special, but one of the things we realized is, like, we have totally different experiences. The same thing that happened, and this is an example of it. I'm like, no way. Was the therapist, like, here's the good news. You actually don't have to come back because you're very clearly not sisters. You have, this is an accidental booking, and you should go back to whoever your real siblings are. You actually don't think we're sisters all the time when we travel.

People are always like, you guys, so not. They're related. Again, I don't agree because everybody who meets you is like, holy shit. You guys are the same, you do the same mannerisms, the same hand things, and the same, we have the same facial expressions. No one. I've literally never had someone say to me like, Josh is your brother? Well, let's start with Montana. I think we can all agree that you went to Montana.

Right. We agree that we went to Montana. Our parents did some really unhinged stuff that was so brave. They would take the dog with us to kids. but not only the dog, they would bring our African gray parrot. And we every year would get trapped in the Salt Lake City airport during a snowstorm with an African gray parrot and a giant black lab and the two kids. You know, they have an appetite for destruction. I mean, by the way, Maddie, next time you're on a plane, your baby's crying, just say to the person next to you, like, it could be worse.

I could have my parrot. Yeah. No, we would go to Montana every winter and it was beautiful. Our grandparents lived out there and had an, and our grandma was an artist and we get to, you know, it was beautiful and special and very different, a very different experience, obviously to growing up in L.A. and that was our mom's recipe. She was like, you L.A. kids, you're going to Montana. Every time you would come back there'd be some other weird thing.

One time we got there, there were like 17 llamas in the front yard. There were a lot of. still figuring out what that was. But it was beautiful and we loved it. And then, you know, later in life, Maddie and I started doing, like, sister trips. So we've done a lot of sister trips together. And we try once a year to do a sister trip. Last year we did, what did we do last year?

Well, this year we went to Switzerland, which was amazing. Wow. That was so. What time of year did you go to Switzerland? It's a great question. Ask my sister, who knows everything that I don't. It was like at the end of winter. But I mean, it was, like, extraordinary.

because it was like the kind of winter you never get where it was glittering snow on the ground beautiful but not like frigid. It was amazing. Did you go to ski or did you just go to B? We don't do that. We don't do that. I like that you go to the places where skiers go, Montana, Switzerland.

Yeah, but no, we go to eat. We went to eat. There's this little village called Sils Maria that we ended up in that was really special. And like every person we met was sort of a philosopher, like a crazy guru philosopher. Like that guy. Ancient village. That new cheese to go to.

Oh, that's amazing. What did that guy? Everyone makes their own cheese. You know, everyone's like tapping a tree for like sap. It's like so cool. My wife and I went to Switzerland for like four days. We went the worst time to go, which was November. Everybody says like, don't go in November.

And we still had one of the greatest trips of our life because we just took all over. And we just like, we had no plan. We would just like go from, you know, Zurich to Geneva to like little towns. But we would have so far. You get on the trains, they were so dependable. And you would just get off and go, you know, have fondue. And we had the best time ever. If you're ever back there, it was a kind of accidental thing that we stumbled upon this place.

But it's called Chesa Marchetta. And it's this, it's a small boutique hotel with all that an art gallerist owns. and it is so unique and beautiful, and, like, the best food and the people there were so... It was very cool, very cool. That's awesome. Lucerne. We went to Lucerne.

Lucerne, I've been, is so beautiful. Yeah. Extraordinary. Yeah, we, we, uh, probably our craziest sister trip, though, was we went to Africa, just us, and we had a hairy situation. Well, no, no, we had a great trip. We did, we did, we started in Kenya. We did Kenya, Rwanda, Uganda, and Tanzania.

So we did a, it was really spectacular. We started doing safari in Kenya, which was by far one of the most amazing. Top life experience. Totally top life experience. And then we went to the beach in Zanzibar. And then by far my number one greatest experience of my life, travel or not really, was we went trekking with the guerrillas in. That's what I was wondering.

In Uganda, we did both. Yeah. And it was just life-changing. Have you done that yet? No, but it's definitely on the wish list. And I certainly never heard anybody who's done it who said it's been anything less than totally worth it. It's a spectacular. People never believe me.

But if I have friends that are going Africa, they'll be like, what do I have to do? And I'm like, if you have to pick gorillas or safari, gorillas. And they always get me like, I'm crazy. But it kind of changes the way you. think about human nature and all the sort of pre-programming that we have, being human beings, when you see them and when you're close to them, it's like, it is life change. I mean, it felt that way for me too. So wumbling. It's so intense. It's so powerful. And it's so like, it, yeah, it's like you're, this maybe sounds stupid, but it's, it felt like I was speaking

or I understood a language. I didn't know I spoke without words. It was, it's such a connect, You just feel so connected to these creatures. How close do you get to them? So close, Josh. A couple feet. And you're not, especially if the babies, like the babies, they'll come up to you. You're not supposed to touch them, of course. But the babies are much more curious and they'll talk to you and they'll sometimes play with your camera or it's beyond.

It's otherworldly. And it was cool to do the trek in two different places. And we ended up actually going back. We took our parents to do the trek because it was so... I mean, the first thing we said after it, we were like, mom and dad need to experience this because we're such animal people. We love animals. We grew up rescuing animals and, you know, with our weird parrot and a lot of freaky animals.

Was it a rescue parrot? Literally all the creatures were our freak. The ultimate goal here is to get the Silverback Mountain gorilla to my... Montana. Yeah. It was like, oh, or anything

for here. Yeah. But the gorilla was like, are you guys the ones who always get stuck in the airport? Because I might want to pick a different family.

But Maddie was referencing that when we were, we drove, we decided to drive from Rwanda to Uganda. Maddie, take it away. What happened?

It was, we basically got kind of stuck at the border. They were sort of shaking us down for money. Money we didn't really have. We were like opening up our suitcases on the

Uganda border, like pulling pounds out from, like, you know, the zipper pockets. And we're trying to like pay them to get through the border to get where we need to go. And we're supposed to grill a track in the morning. And this is evening and it's like nightfall. It's becoming darker and darker. So yeah, because of this, we, we are, our drive was supposed to be during the day. And instead, it was in pitch black. It gets later and later as night is falling. It literally was like, they let us go finally after we, they let us cross the border. And they're like, okay, it, we didn't this at the time. But it was basically like if you make a right, you'll get to the hotel.

If you make a left, you will end up on the side of a volcano for a five-hour drive with no power, no cell service, nowhere to stop, nowhere to stay, no road. And we made a left. And it started pouring rain. Started pouring rain. And it's the dirt road, pouring rain. Again, to be clear, this volcano is the volcano with the guerrillas. Yeah. Every moment the car is getting stuck in the mud, you look to your left, there's a cliff on the right. You're like, is there a gorilla?

That's the volcano filled with gorillas. You don't want to go in there. You go like, what's the worst that could happen? In this situation, there's something bad that could happen. There's a lot. And at one point, I finally got cell service. Like, for one second, my phone, like, all of a sudden I get bars and I see an Australian number calling.

And I'm like, look, maybe it's a hotel. I don't know. I'm like, okay, pick it up. And it's, I just hear, Hi, honey, what's going on? How's the trip? And it's our mom. And I don't know why it showed up as an Australian number.

I still know, but I'm trying to fake it to her. Like, I'm like, that's going great. Everything's fine. We're just making our way to that touch. She's like, oh, amazing. Where? You know, what's going on? You're like, you don't have to worry about me.

I'm with my legal guardian. Yeah. I've kept her safe at every turn. You're welcome. Eventually, eventually when we made it back. to the lodge. They had sent out like a search

and rescue team fully. I will say that. I feel like there should have been a better sign. Yeah. Were you like a tough four-wheel drive,

like can handle the mud kind of a thing? Enough. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Should have been more wheels and more drive.

It was honestly really sketchy. How long is that drive? It should have been like maybe an hour, but it ended up being five probably. Oh, really? They're that close.

Oh, that's. Well, no. The drive is. From the border. In the volcano. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We were going to the top of the volcano. Sorry.

Let me just. No problem. But that was a silly little hiccup. And we made it. And then we had the greatest, totally the greatest experience of our lives. So it was worth it in the end. I did Africa and we did safari not guerrillas. And the more you hear you talk, the more I regret it.

And I've said this on the pod before and I feel like it makes me sound jaded. But would you agree with this? The first time you see a. giraffe, you can't believe it. And then by day three, you're like, okay, move it along. Like, I don't, everything you said

about guerrillas, I don't feel at all. It's not like, when I saw a giraffe, I'm like, I learned so much about myself. I'm just like, okay, weirdo. Out of my eye line. I mean, I've never done acid, but when I saw a giraffe, I was like, is this what it's like?

Yeah. I guess it just doesn't feel of this earth. There are some animals on the safari. You're like, that kind of looks like, that looks like a little like something else I've seen. But then you see a giraffe and you're just like, so maybe what was going on is you couldn't, maybe it was, maybe you were on acid.

No, well, I was going to say I have been on acid. And I think it's great, but it's not great on day three. And maybe that was the thing. We're like, I'm like, I want to go back to regular thing where the horses don't have tree necks. And the way they run. The running is. pretty cool at first. Yeah, the running is good. Where did you go on Safari?

We were in Kenya as well. Nice. It was very cool. It was so special. It was amazing. It was truly amazing. But that the very idea that you guys were, let's drive and let's make sure we don't have a lot of cash makes me seem like you're a little adventurous, yes? We're very adventurous. I would say we are very adventurous. I love to travel. I've learned the hard way traveling. You really don't want to go anywhere without like quite a lot of cash and also you don't want to go anywhere without a three day course of a zithromycin yeah good to know that's very smart how did you go how long was your trip to africa how many days that trip i don't know it was two weeks two and a half weeks yeah yeah something like two and a half weeks we've and all the all of it the first africa trip yeah

yeah and did uh was it as rewarding for your parents as you had hoped when they saw the guerrillas yeah I think so. Yeah. Even more. And it's really, you know, they don't travel much like that in that way. It seemed totally impossible to them. I don't know about your parents how they are, how they travel. But our parents, it seemed like they just kind of were like, we're never going to do that.

It's impossible to do that. We think it was extra special to experience that together because they had just sort of resigned to being like, well, that's for somebody else. That can't happen to us. And so it was a really, it was a really, it was. It was a really beautiful trip, but yeah. How much trekking is involved? Like, how many miles are you hiking into a jungle to see these? It's so cool.

It depends. You can do different treks, like, depending. You're like, if someone's older and is like, I can only trek a couple miles or I can't go super up, because there's different guerrilla families all over the volcanoes. So depending on the day, you can go see a different family. And if you go, you actually, Zoe was smart about this. If you ever go, you actually should do two days in a row because you're guaranteed to have a vastly different experience one day to the next. You'll meet a completely different family. You'll go to a totally different kind of, you'll be in a different landscape.

You'll have a different experience of getting there. They, like, call ahead to the trackers that are, like, up in the mountains and they find them. And then they call down to your group and go, like, okay, these are the ones you're going to go see. It's an incredible program, too, that they've created in terms of how much it's brought to the economy. of Rwanda while also protecting the animals. Right. And, you know, bringing money to the people of Rwanda. It's like a, it's an incredible conservation program that I wish so many other parts of the world could take note of.

And when you go and when you experience it, you're like, not only, you're so happy to have spent the money that you did, but you want to continue to give back to the community and to the guerrillas in a major way because it's so, breathtaking. And yeah, it's inspiring. Honestly, I just wish that other parts of the world could figure out, could take note of what they've done. It's, it's very, to me, very impressive. That's really cool. Yeah, going back quickly to Montana, if you guys weren't skiers, like, what would you do up at your grandparents' house? Like, what was, what were the activities? Eat. It's all meat food. Just eat. Yeah. Josh, it's pathetic. We don't do any family activity.

No one drinks. No one drinks. It's literally, we just talk about cooking, eating. What's next for food? Are we going to the grocery store? Like, there. Were you disappointed? Were you disappointed when you found out that you didn't get to eat the gorillas?

I was a little. A little. You were like, oh, I'm sorry. We thought this was part of a foodie tour where it was like, where you get a lobster, where you pick out your lobster. Are you guys, are you guys a game family? We are. Big time.

I knew it. You guys are. It's okay. You don't have to be. My wife is not a gamer. She's not, she doesn't come from game people and any time we sort of break out games. It takes her a minute to. Who's more competitive of the two of you?

I think we are the best kind of people to play games with because we just like the thrill of competition more than actually winning. Wouldn't you say that, Josh? Yeah, I think we, my. My sort of bar is like, don't be a gloating winner and don't be a whining loser. Yeah. And if that, if you can do that, then you're great. We've had some, like, very bumpy moments where my family, including Josh, has played games with my wife's family. And it hasn't gone well because her family is a den of thieves.

Cheats. They're fucking, the way they cheat, it is, you cannot believe it. Wait, and what will tell me, like, in what we just late? ruin a relief. Like where if you're playing a game where it's like you're allowed to say one word and then they, to make somebody guess something and then they say four words. Or if you're like someone's going to grab a piece and they're like,

oh, like don't grab that piece is everything that's in that sort of noise. And it's like, you can't do that. You're like not allowed to make any noise when they pick. And they're like, eh, it's bad.

Like Alexi's basically said like, I can't play games with your family. it's too intense. I'm like, oh, good. We don't want your kind. Oh, my God. We are not. Actually, wait, hold on. Is that, that's not true because our grandma loved Scrabble. The two weirdest games. She loved Scrabble and cribbage. She was like a cribbage. Oh, cribbage. Have you guys ever heard of? Cribbage is, uh, is, yeah, that's real weird. Yeah. I'm feeling inspired in this moment. Everyone's all like, fucking so stoked about, uh, fuck, what's it called? Mahjong. Majon.

A long moment happens. What if I make cribbage cool? You could. You could do it. Come to my cribbage, and it's my house. Come to the cribbage. Yeah, it's on MTV2. Correct.

Does that mean, so have you not been caught up in the Mahjong wave? Not yet, but that's because I've been so focused on cribbage. Oh, nice. Look, you're already in it. My, my, you're cribbage gal on TikTok, right? Yes. That's me. I can't get into the mahjong.

One, I hate games. I hate all games. Weird. Why do you hate games? I hate games. And two, I'm already too much of like an old Jewish lady. I don't like also need mahjong.

Do you know what I'm saying? You don't need to speed it up. I just like suggested buying a Z pack for going out of the country. I don't like need Mazz. You know what I love that celebrity. That game is fun. I do like celebrity. Celebrity's fun.

I like celebrity a lot. I, the thing about Majon is. that's fascinating to me because I do love games. And my mother-in-law, my parents were visiting, my wife's family, so we were all together. And my mother-in-law is like, oh, my God, let me give you a tutorial on mahjong. I'm like, great.

And it's so, I'm sure once you learn it, it's fun. It's so complicated. And we had like 45 minutes. And at one point I was like, Joanne, did you think you were going to teach this to us? Not just, by the way, not just to be, but to my parents? Yeah. Like, what? We had, Elizabeth Banks was just a guest.

and she said that she went to a friend's house or she had people over, but they, like, hired a professional, like, teacher to teach everyone. And no disrespect to Joanne Ash, but she's not a professional, no, teacher, and an art of Mahjong. Is the teacher a mother,

and she calls herself Majong? Oh. But now can you come up with something like that for cribbage? Because that's what you need to do. She already did, yeah. Oh, yeah, they did. I was already like, I'm sort of, you're ahead of me. You're so far ahead of me.

I'm trying to get down on the ground floor on this cribbage thing and I've already missed the boat. Word names, what you just did. Like, taboo is fun. It's okay. Taboo is fun. I'd look into code names. If you guys are looking for a game. Code names is good.

Code names is really hard. But we did go. You were asking a question and we went away from it. The truth is, and I do think this is, I like this. This is the core truth of our family. It is what it is. Everything revolves around food. And that was, that was always.

on vacation what we were thinking about. And it's quite sweet. Like it's, it's now a huge part of, you know, our lives. We love to cook for people. We love to feed people. That's the culture of our family is, is like, I joke, but it's not a joke when people say, what's your hobby? I say dinner. Because like dinner to me is everything. And that even when we take trips, the number, at least us, the number one most important thing is what are the meals? And we love traveling. When we're doing her sister trips. Like we did a road trip through Puglia and we would do minimum two dinners. So bang, bang, always every night. Do one earlier, one later so that you could, you know, make the trip feel twice as long and you could have twice as many meals. Having a bad meal when

you're in a great place. Yeah. Almost nothing makes me more depressed. It's, and I will say, I think Italy is maybe one of the most stressful places to eat. Because, no, to where you are so worried you're going to get it wrong. Like, because you've had. you know, I feel like in certain countries and certain cuisines, you don't know what a good meal is, but like we all know what a great Italian meal is. And so you have these like high standards. And also with Italy, there's two,

if you go to a super fancy place, and then if you go to a touristy place, it's a, it's, it's in general though, right? Like with traveling. And I was watching this really, I was watching Lulu Garcia Navarro's interview with this amazing travel, guru that I'm forgetting his name and he was talking about the difference between tourists and

travelers is that what I've oh that's great and he was saying you know he always encourages people to be to immerse themselves as much as they can in the actual place and the culture which seems obvious but also is not as easy you know it you have to it requires a little bit more work to not be a tourist to not go to touristy places and go to the touristy restaurants but find the places that feel more local. And that's always the goal when we travel. And that's why I keep, I want her to go to Southeast Asia, but specifically Thailand, so bad, because I've been twice. And it's like, it's impossible to have a bad meal in Thailand. The food is so extraordinary. I mean, you could eat off the floor. And it would be great. That's

also why you need the Z-pack. But it's like, you really, I like need you to go. Because I just know mind will be blown. I will say I went to Thailand alone. And my first day in Bangkok, I got, uh, took took me around to, uh, all these like temples. And my took-took driver was like, hey, do you want to like go out and do something very like local centric tonight? And I was like, sure.

And we went to this restaurant that was like on the side of a 12 lane highway. Yeah. Um, it felt like the chicken was just sort of chopped in equal pieces. with the bone intact. Like in like, if this piece has bone, then this piece has bone. And then he took me to like a weird massage place. We met up with someone else. I got super ripped off.

They drove me to a very sort of dark corner under a subway. And we're like, now you owe us like $400. Oh my God. Yeah, I got fully ripped off. So there's, I think what Josh's saying is there's tourists, there's travelers, and then they're suckers. Don't listen to your talk-tock driver, whatever you did. Yeah, I mean, like, he was very nice, but boy, he took me for a ride.

He took, he took, took you for a ride. I think is what you're supposed to say. I was so close. I know, no. Well, I, now I had to, I'm still, like, licking my wounds over Mahjong, so I had to jump, I had to jump the line. I can imagine how you feel. I had to jump the line. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors.

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Guessing is for game shows, not your business. Workday is the Enterprise AI platform for HR, finance, and IT, with AI grounded in your context to get work done and done right. It's a great. It's a new work day. So I know Zoe doesn't remember any of the other family trips when you were younger other than Montana, but Maddie, can you recall any of them? Any other places you went? You know, I think this, I think the special thing was our parents would take us, I guess this is super Hollywood, but they would take us, they always took us on location with them. Right. Oh yeah. Like wherever our dad was working, doing a movie or wherever our mom was working or, you know, doing a play or they would bring us. And I don't know.

I thought that was so fun because when you're, I'm sure stuff, you have this like with your kids. Like when you give your kids the opportunity to like see how the sausage is made kind of. I feel like they feel less like a kid and more like an adult that you trust in like an adult environment or something. Yeah. So I think we both, I mean, clearly we both love being on set. like, you know, we wanted to kind of stay in that world. But like I, it's just funny how the business changes. Like, I have a memory of one of the craziest trips we ever went on. Our dad was trying to make grumpier old men.

I don't look to me. I don't know any of this. There was grumpier old men. And there was grumpy old men. And I think they were trying to make grumpiest old men. Sure. Sure. And, you know, they, our dad. dad was the director and they, I'm pretty sure the studio sent him to Italy for a month to scout for a movie that was not greenlit, which like literally would never have. Like, this is the movies. It's the glory days where they're just like, money is just getting spit out of Hollywood. Still proving my point.

We didn't go on trips. This was work. I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. It was like, take your kids to Italy for a month for a scout. We stayed in a castle in Tuscany. Like, it was.

I mean, it was crumbling. like there were ghosts for sure. Who's the person for you guys in your relationship that does all the booking for travel? It's me and it's Seth's wife. Yeah. And do you guys do a lot of trips with both all of you guys or no? We haven't in a minute. We did some great trips.

We went to, we did half of the Tour de Montblanc, which is we started in Italy and then hiked into France and then hiked into Switzerland or maybe it was Italy-Switzerland, France. That's the third tier of traveling that he was talking about. about, which is called the pilgrimage. Oh, yeah, that was, I'm a big fan of a pilgrimage. And that, that is very impressive. You guys are doing the highest year of traveling. Sorry to interrupt you, but I have a problem with interrupting.

That's fine, but we did that and we did like a, we did a New Year's in Iceland that was also great. But it's been a while since we've, but we do, Josh and I do trips together with our parents still once a year. We're supposed to. We mostly just, I mean, we go to Pittsburgh because our father's from Pittsburgh, so we go to see a Steeler game. And then Seth has started bringing his sons. My wife is going to come this year for the first time. She's never been to Pittsburgh. So it'll be great.

That's so sweet. Yeah. We have to be. We're not sure what our next sister trip is going to be. I'm not sure, but maybe it'll be. So who picks between you? Who is the, or is it chat GPT? Let me explain.

No, no, no, no. Zoe's name. in our family is the minister of tourism. Like, she is, like, a person who is, like, in a government position of a country who is responsible for travel, tourism in every country all over the world. So I call her the minister now. She could literally be like, oh, I know the guy in Japan who runs all the trains. And you're like, why do you know that person?

Like, Zoe is the, Zoe is the minister. I love to be the minister. But a lot of their trips are sort of organized and created out of where work takes me. Yeah. It's such a blessing, but it's also, it's, for me, I'm like, I feel so greedy and gross when I get these great opportunities to go to across the world. And I am only there for a day for work. I just, it just makes me like, I can't fathom it. So I try my best to be able to bring someone I love, like my sister or my partner or my mom,

whoever is available and willing to deal with me to go and then extend the trip on. Yes. Because I, so like for instance, the Switzerland trip was because I had work in Italy for a couple days. And so we went and then extended and continued on. Same with Africa. I was working in Kenya. And so it brought us there and we were able to experience that. And traveling is so, so.

expensive, obviously, as everybody knows, and it continues to get more expensive. So it's my personal hack. And also it makes me feel, like I said, less guilty about these, you know, about getting to see the world and not actually experience the world. And I always have so much empathy or like sadness for touring music. Well, that's, I mean, yeah, they, you mean that they don't actually see anything? Yeah. And they go to all these amazing places and they, and they don't, you know, sometimes multiple times. And they're like, yeah, I don't know. I never even, I didn't see anything. I didn't do anything. So even if I'm in a place for a day, I will, I don't care how tired I am. Like, I'm going out and I'm seeing something and I'm having a meal and I'm doing one thing that feels

like an experience to me that I can hold on to for my life. Yeah. I'm always shocked like when friends of mine go on location to work on a movie, you know, I just assume, how was it? And they're just like, you don't see anything. You work, you work the longest days and you're so tired and your calls so early and yeah it's such a drag. But I take it, even when that's the case, when I'm on location, I really take it upon myself to be like camp counselor and on the weekend we go to a museum or we all go to karaoke or we do something that feels specific to the place that we're in. Otherwise, I just, it kind of depresses me.

Do you, sometimes when you sort of are camp counselor, I feel like I do a lot of that for my friends as well. But like, what happens when you miss? what happens when you rally everyone out to something? And it's like, oh, that was a dud. And it's kind of like they would have done nothing if it weren't for you. And they've probably done a lot of things that are great because of you. But how do you cope with when you...

He doesn't miss. Okay. She doesn't miss because she's the minister. She literally does not miss. You mentioned Castle. Can I just say I would like to badmouth castles? Please. They are bad mouthable.

Go, go, go. Let me just tell you, anyone who's listening is like, oh, my dream is to stay in a castle. It's not. There's a reason nobody lives in them anymore. They're cold. Go visit. Go visit. Go visit.

Walk around the outside of a castle. Have you stayed in a castle? Yeah. We stayed in an Irish castle that I don't. I think the name, it was an old Irish name that translates to mud castle. It had like, it had carpet from the like late 70s. early 80s. A lot of carpeted castle.

And again, they just are hard to maintain. And their heyday was a long time ago. They just are not maintained well. No, they're definitely scary. Anytime someone's like, I got a deal on a castle, you didn't. Don't they want people to buy them? They do because no one wants them. Yeah.

And it turns out there's a pretty big castle tax. when you buy the tax When you buy a castle There's hidden costs In the market Why do you know about this? Look, I Do you guys, and this is totally unrelated

Would you guys be interested in buying a castle That I may be trying out of like Sounds totally like you bought a castle And you're not I bought a castle I did I've talked about this as well I did like

Accidentally bid on a week In a Scottish castle at a charity event And I thought the bidding was going to take off And it did not And Josh came... It was one bid. One bid. I was one bid.

That's the one that won. And then Josh and I and our spouses and some friends were at a Scottish castle. And it is not remembered fondly. Was there a ghost? I think even the ghosts were like, we're going to go to a regular hotel. Speaking of ghosts, though, have you guys never had real ghost experiences? No, but I would like to. I think I would like to, unless it's the kind that, you know, wants to try to.

Be careful. Be careful. Be careful what you wish for. Are you guys, what is it, open to ghosts? Our mother is fully psychic. Totally. 100%. And as a result, I think they've been present in our lives.

Yeah, because he's like a transmitter. Gotcha. So you guys see ghosts, but the only thing they ever say to you is it's your mom. We'll come back later. Just yeah, let her know. We stopped by. There was I recently. There was a really annoying ghost.

Oh, really annoying. I was staying at the Chelsea Hotel, which obviously everyone says it's haunted. And I'm like, guys, guys, guys, let's all calm down. Like, come on with the lore. And night one, my blinds just go, and open. Like, it wasn't on a thing. They just fully opened.

Yeah. I closed them. I watched. It's like full. It was so amazing. It was so ghosty. There's no other way. It was a ghost.

Did you go for it? It just kept opening and kept opening. And then I was like, fuck it. He wants me to like be away. I'm not really sure what this is. And then like kept doing it every night. So. Oh, it kept happening.

Yeah, that was like a couple weeks going on. Oh, perfect. Good news. You know, did. I'm sure. There was a cat in your room, remember? Hmm. A ghost cat or a real one?

A ghost cat. Wow. Yep. Zoe fully had a ghost cat in her room that would visit her like every night. See, so the ghosts don't just want to see my mom. You're more psychic than me. The ghosts are like that. You pet, you pet sit.

Yes. I pet sit the ghost. But also, ghosts at the Chelsea Hotel, I was like having a good time with. I was not mad at this. It wasn't bad at her. Also, I had the best time. I had a great stay. It was a little, like, frustrating that he didn't want me to sleep.

but I also was like maybe he's lonely and wants to hang out. I don't know. Would you talk to the ghost? No, I just, my big thing about ghosts is just like be nice. In general, when people are like, oh, I'm scared to the ghost. I'm like, well, of course they're going to be mad at you. If you enter a situation, like, I'm scared of you. They're going to think you're, you don't like them.

So I'm always like, what's up? Like, hey, but psychically, you know, Josh, not. I don't say that loud yet. It's more like, hello, we're all good. Like, you're my friend and I'm yours. that energy, you just put it out there. This is really a late-breaking ghost advice on the pod. Detour.

Detour from the family trips, for sure. But hey, you know. You know what? It's all a trip. It's all just a, yeah. It's a trip to ghost town. You guys are the best. And I will say, like, it is so much fun when we're lucky enough to talk to siblings on

this pod. So thank you both for making time for us. It's just the best. No, thank you so much. Thank you for having us. It was so fun. I did want to say real quick, Your plastic surgery impression on the tonight show was so funny.

Thank you. It's going to fuck one day when I need the flip slip. Yeah. No, it's going to everybody. That clip's going to resurface when that happens for sure. I've heard so many, I haven't seen yet. I've heard so many great things about Gail Daughtry. Can't wait to see it. Oh, I can't wait for see it.

And you also have voicemails for Isabel out now. So you've been very busy. I feel like I would have watched that with my wife. And then she gets home from work and goes upstairs. She works with horses. And so she goes and takes a shower first thing. And then she, like, just didn't come downstairs one night. And she had just, like, gotten into bed and started watching it.

And I was, went up, I was like, what's the deal? She's like, I'm watching this movie. It's really good. And it's like, okay. But she loved it. Good. Well, tell her I said, thank you for watching. Yeah, of course.

Before we let you guys go, though, we have to ask our speed round questions. And obviously, we're going to be disappointed if you have the same answers based on. Okay, great. Yeah. All right. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing? adventurous or educational.

Relaxing adventurous or adventurous for me. Yeah, I think you guys are. You travel together. That's fair to be the same. What is your favorite means of transportation? Horseback. Fuck. What the hell, dude?

Rwandan rental. I don't know. What do you guys say? For me, it's bicycle, I think. For me, it's train. but I feel like I have a romantic idea of a train. And like 90 minutes into the train, I think you're like, I should have flown. I think I'm going to say plain only because it gets you so far. Sure.

Yeah, yeah. This one's tricky. If you can take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? The Myers, obviously. Okay, great. Great answer. You're going to play some games, though.

Yeah. Oh, no. I don't love biking, but we can deal with the games. Okay. Yeah, we do, uh, we like set up a tray on the handlebars, and so you kind of are playing games while you're banking. Wow. Like, yeah. Um, Maddie, do you have a different answer?

Are you good? Oh, obviously the same as my sister. Her brain is better than mine. Okay. This one, uh, this one, uh, we'll see if this causes a rupture. If you had to be stranded on a desert. Island with one member of your family, who would it be? Of our family?

Desert Island? Probably. Not me. No, no, no. I mean... I would definitely say you. You're very resourceful. Here's the thing.

I've seen mom kill a rattlesnake with a rock before. So, like, it has to... Wow, really? Yeah, I mean, she's like... Out of self-defense. Out of self-defense. She's literally, like, from 200 years ago. She just like...

I'm going to say you because you're like, Mom. Yeah. Okay, great answer. Thank you for that. What is your dream destination for a family vacation? Greece. We keep trying to get into Greece. I've never been to Greece.

Oh, Greece. That's great. That's great. That was so fun. How fast you guys are on that. You are both from Los Angeles. If you had to get more families to come visit Los Angeles, how would you sell this city? So here's the most amazing thing about Los Angeles.

In an hour, you could go anywhere. You could go to the beach. mountains, the desert. You can see live music. You get the best food from all around the world. Yeah. Wherever you want. There's a variety and joy and nature, but also city. You have it all here. It's spectacular. It's right out, sure, but it has something for everyone. I like how Maddie was just kind of a quiet flavor of flave through that whole thing. Just like snapping, pointing, a couple of years. I'm right, man. Yeah. And then Seth, has our final questions.

Have you guys been to the Grand Canyon? Yes. And was it worth it? Yes. Okay. Okay, you don't agree. You don't think it's worth it? No, it's fine.

I'm not going to do it, but it's going to do it fine without my endorsement. It's obviously thriving. Can I ask you a follow-up question? Sure. I bring you Zion? Because Zion is like if you want to shit on the Grand Canyon, maybe you just need to go to Zion. Great. I would love to shit on the Grand Canyon.

It's basically like full. Zion's amazing. I think I'd have a lot better standing if I was like, oh, I like Zion. I think that people would listen to me more. You need a castle with a giraffe in the Grand Canyon. That's sort of what I think is your dream trip.

I'm going to be like a giraffe, a giraffe-shaped castle. Yeah. You guys are the best. You guys are. Thank you for having. Thank you so much. This was so fun talking to you.

I love. your parents as well and your and your babies and your husbands and loved Jimmy Zellie? You guys, he was just on your show last week. He had a blast with him. We had a blast with him. We had a blast. So please say hello to him as well. My future brother-in-law. I know.

So exciting. All right. Thank you guys. Be well. Bye. Bye. to the pot to talk. Their memories hold different truths. They told their stories of their sisterly adventures

and shared stories from their youth. They told us after Zoe was emancipated, Maddie stood in his guardian. But after taking her to college rager, surprised, their monlet mads have that role again. In the end, it all worked out all right. And these girls, they still get out and travel far and wide. It sounds fun even though spent time by a volcano,

just the Deutsch sisters and guerrilla. Young shoot through insane. Octoself ends off the plane. He says he does to a night when he's a night when Traveling with her sister They don't like They have noon The Chelsea swell