Fantasy Football Daily - 15 Underrated Players Who Are ADP STEALS | Fantasy Football 2025

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

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Theo Graminger for Fantasy Football Daily on the Fantasy Points Podcast Network. Today, joined by my friend Andrew Cooper of Fantasy Alarm. We're going to jump right into it, Coop. No time to mess around a July right around the corner at the time we're recording this. Let's start out with one of your guys. And let's specifically start at the running back position, Kenneth Walker. Dude, I'm all for Kenneth Walker here. And I'm actually all in on this entire offense.

I know you've been drafting some JSN. Even I'll do a little Cooper Cup too, because you've got to understand what Clint Kubiak's bringing to the table, right? He took his offense and went to San Francisco and kind of matched minds with Shanahan, started using the fullback, right? Started using blocking tight ends. He brought that to New Orleans. And we saw early last year how successful it was early on,

especially running the football, right? Alvin Kamara was on pace for his first 1,000-yard rushing season ever. He was 50 yards away when he got hurt. Obviously, he would have got those 50 yards over the last three games. But the guy that got the second most snaps in that backfield, besides Kamara, was Adam Prentice, the fullback, the fullback, the fullback, the fullback, the fullback, and the blocking tight end. He brought Rick Denison, the offensive line whisper with them. They drafted Gray's Abel in the first round. They drafted Robbie Uts, the big fullback, 270 pounds.

Like, they're going to come in and they're going to use a highly consolidated offense with a fullback and the blocking tight end. that's good for Kenneth Walker, obviously, because what the fullback does for the run game, you see it in Miami, you see it in San Francisco. But it's also good for those past catchers because there's only going to be so many guys on the field that actually get the ball when you have, like, Miami, Alec Engold and Julian Hill and Durham, Smyth,

those guys don't factor in. So it's going to be really good to consolidate that offense, and I think that they can turn this run game around. Offensive line can't be worse than it was last year. One of their guys retired in the middle of the season. Connor Williams, retired during the season. They've got to have more continuity of this year. Yeah, I mean, we used to podcast together every single week, Coop, and you were all over Clint Kubiak last year.

I've been sort of all over him this offseason, Scott Barrett as well as on him. I don't need to really dive into Kenneth Walker because Scott, Scott Barrett and I had Derek Brown of fantasy pros on School of Scott this week. And we all are on the Walker train. We completely agree with you. He was the player that we came like a way that he was such a good fourth round value in a lot of these drafts. With your friend, Dan Williamson and I, we took Kenneth Walker at the 310 in an FFPC main event. We started to pull him in there. And I think that's sort of where he's going to head this summer.

Love that you talk about the use of the fullback. Seattle was bottom like 10 in rushing yards per game over the last two seasons. So people think about Seattle having running back production with Kenneth Walker, Zach Charbonnet. But it's been sort of despite the lack of rushing yards. I think that with this new scheme, they're absolutely going to hit that. Kenneth Walker could have his big career year, was like 16 points per game last year. We could see like 18 points per game this year. That's really not that big of an ask.

Absolutely completely agree with you on that one. And for me, I'm going to talk about a running back being drafted a little bit higher than Kenneth Walker. But it's so funny. Like I've been podcasting with some people over the last few weeks. And there's some Devon A-chain faders, doubters, and possibly some. Devon A. Chan haters out there. Devon A. Chan is a second round pick. It's unbelievable to me that there's not more arguments to take them inside the first

round. And I realize there's a ton of competition, but Chris McCaffrey steamed up. Ashton Genty was drafted. Absolutely, the volume is going to be there for Genty to support being a first round pick. Certainly, Derek Henry is a huge value going around Devon A. Chan, but just not enough as being made of what an upside Devon A. Chan has. Last year in games with Tuatunga by Loa, he averaged 22.6 points per game. And he led all running backs in football in receptions. He didn't lead them in targets. That went to Alvin Kamara, but he led them in receptions.

And with Tua, Devon Achan averaged about six receptions per game. So could that number come in slightly with Tyree Kill, bounce back, Jalen Waddle, bounce back, maybe? But what if it doesn't? And what if Devon Aitchan has an even better sense? season as a receiver. We saw the yards per per rush attempt last year go down. What if it goes up? because year one, he had one of the best rushing, rushing yard attempt averages in like the history of the game. This past year, it dropped to like four and a half and people were like, see, I told

you it was unsustainable. Of course, seven plus rushing yards a game is unsustainable, but why can't Devon Achan with his explosiveness get that number back over five? So for me, Devon Achan might be the lowest drafted player with a chance of being the RB1 overall. You can start your build out with a Jemir Gibbs. You could start your build out with Ashton Genti or one of the high profile wide receivers that we all like in round one and follow up with Devon Achan in the middle of round two. To me, that could be an absolute sheet code, coop. Your thoughts.

Yeah. And I get some of the detractor arguments. I don't understand being a hater. Being a hater is a huge mistake, especially if you're something. I kind of made it up for emphasis. There's not really haters out there. No, I've seen some people that are just completely off. And like, if you play, you know, best ball mania or you're going to max those out,

you have to have some exposure to a guy with explosives like this. Like there are people that, you know, they're worried about Toronto Armstead being gone. But, you know, he was kind of getting up there shadow of himself a little bit. You know, people are worried about the team in general falling apart. But you're going to look at this individual player, man. On top of the things you mentioned with the receptions, the reason I think that that's going to continue is that you, I wouldn't look at the last, like, decade of running backs that actually played meaningful wide receiver snaps,

like running from a wide receiver spot. And there's a couple of big seasons, you know, Tariq Cohen had one at one point. Christian McCaffrey does it a decent amount. But last year, Devon, A-chan, 168 routes from a wide receiver spot is the second most that we've seen since David Johnson in 2016 with like 178. I mean, like, you don't see a wide receiver three out there. they don't use Braxton Berrios. They basically go out there with two tight ends, a lot of the times, or a fullback, and two wide receivers and Devon A.Chan.

That's why the guy that was like fifth on that team in targets is Julian Hill. Like he's not even a factor. You know what I mean? It's Jonu, the two wide receivers and the running back. So Achan is going to be a meaningful part of that game, and he's got the explosiveness. So definitely in full PPR and best ball. Like if you play standard, go ahead, take Derek Henry, right? Any sort of PPR, though, I feel like you've got to be leaning.

to these guys that can potentially take over the entire role, you know, and people worry about Jaylen Wright or Ollie Gordon. There's very few running. There was only two running backs last year that played more than 80% of the snaps. Jonathan Taylor at 80 and Karen Williams at 87, nobody's playing all the snaps. As long as you're getting the meaningful touches, the pass downs, the goal line downs, then you can give up a handful of touches to whoever, right? Like we don't worry about Tyler Alger having 600 yards because Bejohn's awesome and he gets

all the meaningful touches. That's going to be a chance. I have no problem taking him in a second. You know what? Early first, no problem either. Yeah, I mean, I think if you're, you could make a real argument that, that it's the one to turn is where he belongs. Right. But I think with the Christian McCaffrey steam, Ashton Genty sort of entrenched. And then all of those appealing wide receivers, he's just going to continue living inside a round two.

And then you bring up Derek Henry where people are chasing, like I think Derek Henry is a fine value where he's going. But at the end of the day, like Derek Henry is older and he's going to have to rush for what he's did last year. He's going to have to give you a 1900 rushing yard season. He's going to have to come close to leading the NFL and rushing touchdowns if he finishes as the, the RB1 overall. Devon A. Chan just needs Miami's offense to get a little bit closer to what it was in 2023, not like a insane ask, a little bit of a tall task considering their offensive line turnover. But we've seen the guy be one of the most explosive runners and now one of the best year one to year two receiving jumps.

The guy's just a unicorn. And I'll say, like, I think that a lot of the faders still are fall back to their priors where he's a smaller back. So they always have in the back of their mind that the low BMI back is unsustainable. I think that's sort of the, if you a lot of, that's another reason where I think a lot of people head to head, it's just harder for them to dive into that profile if they haven't already. Let's keep this going.

We talked about, just real quick, Rahim Moster was a smaller back and he scored 20 plus touchdowns on this. team in the past. 100%. So I'm not worried about that one. 100%. And another back who was always a not a bruiser, but has been absolutely a fantasy football ATM machine for his entire career.

And another player who Scott, Debrough and I all agreed was a value where he's going is Alvin Kamara. Last year, you were all over Kamara at ADP. This is a player you were saying had RB1 overall potential. You took a lot of pushback on that one, Coop. But when the season started, Alvin Kamara gave you. like a 40-pointer. Alvin Kamara averaged what was the 19 points per game last year and finished as a easy RB1 was a huge valued ADP. You're seeing him as a huge valued

ADP this year again inside a round four. Yeah, he was the RB1 through six weeks last year and the RB2 through 12 weeks, right? And then he ended up getting hurt towards the end of the season there. I mean, everyone got hurt. Eric McCoy got hurt. The entire team fell apart, right? But like, this is the player. I mean, you go in, and right now at this time of year, especially, you're thinking about closing line value, right? You kind of alluded to it earlier. You're taking Kenneth Walker at 310 because that's where you think he should go. You're taking Devon A-chan every time in the second because you think this guy could end up closing as a first round pick, right?

You look at the guys that win best ball mania. Yeah, they have stacks. Yeah, they have correlations. And I have an article coming out on this exact topic. But they create so much value at closing value. The guy that won baseball mania last year only picked two players that ended up being below their closing line ADP. And one of them was Ricky Pairsall who got shot on August 31st and his ADP plummeted right before everything closed. You know what I mean?

Like this guy was picking players. He was getting his stacks, but he was getting them at the right price. Or you know, earlier in the summer, if you draft guys that you think are going to move up, then then you get value. So that's what I'm doing now? I'm looking at it. I'm saying what happens every single year with some of these guys? Alvin Kamara every year, this time of year, because of the hype and the steam on other players, he's picked like RB 16. And then week one, before the week even starts, everyone's doing their work.

weekly ranking, they rank him like running back eight. And then he goes off and then everyone's got on their top five for the rest of the year, as long as he's healthy, right? So this is a guy, I'm all over. I don't care that Killing Moore didn't throw to other backs. He already came out and said, this guy is a phenomenal feature back in this league. We're going to get him the ball, however we have to. Obviously, we have an emphasis on running, but we're going to throw him the guy the ball at a ton.

He's the best player on the team. There's only four guys in the league at running back that have averaged over 100 yards from scrimmage for their entire career for the O. Christian McCaffrey goes in the first round, right? Jonathan Taylor goes in the first second round. Seekwon Barkley goes in the first round. Alvin Kamara is the fourth, and he goes in like the fourth, fifth round.

I mean, I feel like I'm taking crazy pose with this guy. It's going to be fine. It's going to be great. Yeah, I mean, you talk about ways to find value at the running back position, and we did this Dead Zone running back episode on School of Scott. I keep referencing just because I recorded it yesterday, and I think a lot of it's relevant. There's ways to find value at running back.

One of it is older players get faded. It's definitely an ages position. Last year was sort of the perfect storm for all of the older guys scoring points. It won't be quite as good this year, but it's not like they're all going to fall off of a cliff. Another way to find running back value inside of like this dead zone area is backs who can catch passes. Camaro has both of those. He's going to catch a lot of passes. He is a guy who even if the scoring regresses coop, he's still going to give you like six

16 points per game. Another like, and this one's a little more dangerous because you can get left holding the bag, another way to find values in fantasy football is to draft players from teams that no one wants to draft because you see these collective ADPs for multiple players on the same team just shoot down. And every year, we'll find a few offenses that after a month or so, we say this offense was very, very mispriced. Alvin Kamara definitely fits the bill because no one's stacking. A lot of it's like the underdog effect. Underdog sets the ADP market, then it sort of like gets referenced in FFPC, NFFC sleeper, every single league, because people have that early best ball baseline ADP that they start off with.

When there's no quarterback to stack with and there's like nobody wants to correlate this particular team, then all those guys are a little bit different. So I would argue, Kamara based off what he did last year, despite his age, despite the trepidations about the offense, just like Walker should probably be considered a third round pick more so than a fourth round pick, but you're able to get them inside of the round four every single time. Absolutely love that one. Let's take a quick break. We come back.

We're talking about a few younger running backs that we also think are incredibly underrated at their current prices. Welcome back, Fantasy Football Daily. Theo Greminger here over at the Fantasy Points Network. Koop, we podcasted together so many times. You're absolutely putting out fire content. love podcasting with you, love coming on your shows, love having you on mine. You are working on a very cool best ball project these days. When's it going to drop and where can people find it?

Yeah, so it's a free article that's going to be coming out within the next day or so over at Fantasy alarm.com. And basically, I've been seeing this trend, right, where when you have these teams that win these big tournaments, that have these stacks, sometimes they have like week 17, week 16 correlations, these are all great things, right? These are things we want. but what I'm feeling with the trend of people reaching to get those stacks and reaching by a little too much bleeding value. So basically I'm going through and kind of showing some examples of how that can hurt you.

And then the short and sweet is this deal. If you're going to do something like underdog on best ball maintenance, there's 672,000 teams in that, right? How many leagues is Joe Burrow going to get drafted in? All of them. All of them. All of them. All of them. How many teams is T. Higgins going to get drafted in? All of them.

All of them. How many teams made it into the final. last year with stacks of T. Higgins and Joe Burrow a lot. There are thousands upon thousands of stacks of these teams, of these guys. If you reach to get those stacks, all you're basically doing is putting out a worst copy of the stacks and the correlations that everybody's looking at. So if you go in to actually look at teams like Pat Carrains when he won, yes, he had the correlations.

He was also in like the 90th percentile ADP. The guy last year, I mentioned it on the show, the only two players he reached on above ADP that finished above closing line. ADP where Ricky Parrisor, who got shot, and Jermaine Burton, who was a non-factor. In fact, at one point in the draft deal, he already had Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, and he had an opportunity to take Joe Burrow at ADP, and he took James Connor, because James Connor was up there on the board three rounds behind ADP. Then he got Burrow a round after.

He got Brock Purdy with his correlation around after. Guys like James Connor and Brian Thomas Jr. are how he made it to the final round, right? It wasn't necessarily a stack. Stacks are how he won. But there were so many copies of similar teams. He managed to combine value with those other options. He didn't even have a single week 17 correlation. So I'm going in and I'm kind of trying to pump the brakes.

It's kind of a balance here because I love watching teams, you know, reach and make all these mistakes. But I'm trying to bring people back to the light on a little bit of value-based opportunity. And that's kind of what we're doing today on the show. We're looking at running back, wide receiver, tight-end quarterback. Where are the values at ADP where you can actually jay. Generate closing line value now and also include it with your stacks and whatever are the correlations you want to have. Now, an article like this, Coop, probably costs 50, 60 bucks. Do you have a discount code for people to read it for a little less?

Free, baby. For you for you, for you, this one's free. All my rankings and stuff, all the yin and yang tight end. That's on the draft guide, which is available now. That's one, that's for the members at Fantasy Alarm. And for anyone that just wants to buy a copy the draft guide, that's updated all summer. This one's going to be free just because this is a, It's a, it's a pandemic here.

The reaching for the stacks, Theo, it's getting out of control. Dude, I have to do a public service to get this one out. Love it. And I'll give you, like I'm always promoting your stuff, but specifically, whenever you drop, like, a strategy guide article, you do it for Scott Fishbowl. You've done it for all of the FFPC postseason contests, like, and now specifically best ball, like that. You're always putting out great work with that. You've, you also won a couple of awards. We can, we can share that as well.

FSWA writer of the year last year, Andrew Cooper. And I know you won a couple of other FSWA awards as well. So I want to love everybody to know about that one, Coop. Ah, man, I hate that. Drop it like it's hot. You know you don't hate it. Go to my Twitter profile at Coupe Fiasco. I got them up there.

But we won. We did good last year. We got, I won writer of the year for football. I had the article of the year. That's on a dynasty trader. So go to Fantasy Alarm 3 books. Fantasy alarm.com slash three books. Three books for the dynasty trader.

That one won. and then we won radio show of the year for the Fantasy Alarm show. Can't take all the credit for that. Howard Bender, Jim Bowden, Josh Wagner, and Shane Blunt behind the glass every weeknight, Series XM, 6 to 8 p.m. Channel 87. So good stuff last year. But hey, dude, that's last year. It's in the rearview, man.

It's all about this year. Let's go. And one running back this year that I'm surprised there's not a whole lot of steam for is Caleb Johnson. Every time Mike Tomlin opens his mouth and starts talking about Caleb Johnson, he's like effusive in his praise. And just we'll say things that it's like he's trying to make people more excited about this player. A few days ago, he referenced Levion Bell and Richard Mendenhall in the types of backs that he sort of is comparing Caleb Johnson to, younger backs with more room to run in their profile and a ton of production.

Like he's talked about Caleb Johnson with nothing but praise. we see Aaron Rogers sign with Pittsburgh. We think the offense is going to be a little bit better with Rogers behind center. There's not a massive amount of mouse to feed in Pittsburgh in general. And then if we specifically look at the Najee Harris role that on paper Caleb Johnson should step into, that's a really good one. Every year, Najee Harris had over 1,000 rushing yards. Every year, Najee Harris had over 270 carries. So for me, it's like last.

year, I think, is getting people a little bit in trouble where you get to like round six, round seven, and people are leaning into a lot of these older running backs who have produced at a high level and they're sort of continuing to chase that prototype. And they're a little less into the unknown upside pick. You also have the discount now with Caleb Johnson where it's become an ambiguous backfield. We didn't necessarily think this would be an ambiguous backfield, but it's, it's one of the most ambiguous backfields in ADP because Caleb's running back 26 and Jalen Warren is running back 32. So it's one of the closest convergences of ADP. For this one, I've been a Jailen Warren guy for

years where I think he's talented, but I don't think he's a player that's going to take on some outsized role that we haven't seen in previous seasons for him. Caleb Johnson just has so much juice to the profile. Third round pick could have been drafted higher. It was just a really good draft class for running backs where I think Caleb, if it was last year's draft, probably would have been a second round pick. He's only 21 years old. He's got great, great size. And the college production was awesome. He had 1,500 plus rushing yards and 21 touchdowns last year at Iowa, finalists for the Doke Walker Award. Like Caleb Johnson had a lot of people who liked him. Brett Whitefield over here at Fantasy Points really liked him as a prospect. And it's like, people are just not

excited about this. Coop, I'm in an FFPC Slowman event where he fell into round seven and he continues to do that. So you see him at like the late six mid seventh. I think we're going to see him rise up as the summer moves along and people just get a little bit more aware of this is the guy you want in Pittsburgh. Yeah. And the thing is we had a stretch there where like the third down backs on teams were kind of taking over the full role at certain points. We were getting this crazy upside like Kamara and Austin Echler. And that kind of changed the narrative on that to make people think that you want the third down back. I encourage people to go check out Nathan Yonki over at PFF.

He did a study on running back utilization. If you can get a guy that can take over the full role, whether he comes from the running side or from the passing side, then that's the biggest value. After that, the value is not even really split up between PPR and versus or half our standard. The guy that's the starting running back almost always gets the most touches. He almost always has the most RB1 weeks,

almost always has the most consistency, right? In most cases, that's how it works out, especially if you have just this dedicated third down back. I mean, go look at Derek Henry last year. They had a dedicated third down back in Justice Hill that was playing on third downs, that was playing on passing downs. But they were good offense and the starting running back of the bulk of the touches and put up crazy points, right?

So that's the situation that Caleb Johnson is going into. And I just want to remind people that I don't know what happened here, because going into the NFL draft, Everyone's like, oh, best running back class is 2017, right? And that's what everyone's saying. But the players didn't change. The draft went the way it did because of how running backs are devalued. And because of how there were so many options, you were able to roll the dice and say,

okay, we'll wait until the second round and take a guy here or wait to the third or even the fourth round and we'll take a guy from this tier. But the running backs in this class still are better than the wide receivers from this class. Like this could be a class where we look back and say, just like in 2017, where we had Christian McCaffrey and Leonard Burnett and John. Joe Mix and Alvin Kamara and Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams and James Connor and like five other guys. Like we could look back and be like, oh, wait a second, all these guys are good. But you're getting a discount on Caleb Johnson and also Quinchon Judkins to a certain

degree. But the difference between those guys is the Steelers have an actual quarterback in Aaron Rogers. They have Arthur Smith that wants to use 17 different tight ends and move them around as move tight ends and fullbacks. Like this guy could easily just walk in and just be better Najee Harris in day one. And that is ADP. I would take regular Nagy Harris. Yeah.

I made the exact same point this week, and I've made a couple of these points about how there's just not a lot of steam for the rookie class. It's like even Genties at a palpable ADP where you had, I thought Genty, like, when he was drafted, you could have envisioned a scenario that you're drafting him at like rookie year

Seekwan Barclay, rookie year Zeke Elliott prices. He's actually closer to rookie year Najee Harris won two turn prices than he was with those guys. Like, he's going about a little bit behind in a lot of these drafts where Bijon was going in his rookie season. So it's like there and it's down the board. It's like Trayvion Henderson's at an interesting price. Omari and Hamptons at an interesting price.

Caleb Johnson, I would say your Quinshaun Junkins argument was awesome. Like those two should be flipped in ADP because Judkins also has Dylan Samson behind them, much worse offense. Pittsburgh, like the offensive line, they put a lot into it last year. I completely agree. You're on another running back who's a younger one, but in this case, it's a second year player that was a big disappointment last year, but this year is one of the more high profile handcuffs in fantasy right now, Coop.

Yeah, and this is a guy, I'm looking at Trey Benson. And again, I don't like necessarily playing the handcuff game. I don't like handcuffing my own player. It's definitely not in baseball. But if you're going to play those games, you need to ask yourself, what unleashes these guys? right? Like who is most likely to get hurt? And again, I'm not a Dr. Fortune Teller type guy, but we got a 30-year-old back here who's gotten hurt in every single one of his season so far in

James Connor. And if James Connor doesn't hurt, he's going to get hurt, he's going to be a great value. But when I go and watch Trey Benson in these interviews, he doesn't sound like a guy who wants to play more. He sounds like a guy who's been told that he's going to play more. And he came out and said that he's been working out with James Connor, who's absolutely yoked, right? And he said that he's doing every workout that he does with him. and he's lifting all the same weights. He says that he's gone through every one of his clips last year, identified the spots where he was overrunning,

where if he had a little more patience, he would have broken off big plays. Like, to me, this guy is poised to be the next big thing. And I think a lot of people, especially in your dynasty leagues, man, you can go out and get this guy for dirt cheap. I wouldn't be shocked if he did carve out a bigger role. I wouldn't be shocked if James Connor got hurt and he took over the entire role. And when you look around, there's only so many of those guys out there.

I mean, if Derek Henry gets hurt, do you really have a guy that's going to step up and be in every downback? Not really. Keaton Mitchell, Justice Hill. Like, a lot of these older guys aren't like, Calvin Kamar gets hurt. Devin Neal, seventh round pick, Kendry Miller. There's not really that opportunity out there with the older backs besides

Trey Benson. So I find myself clicking his name a lot in these early best ball drafts, just because you never know what's going to happen. And that's the guy that I believe in. And I think that office is actually going to surprise some people. Yeah, it's interesting one. And I would say that you could make an argument for both James Connor or Trey Benson at ADP.

Connor is at like a decent range. You're getting him inside of like round five, round six was 15 points per game every single year. But when you look at it, Trey Benson sort of is like a potentially like a Zach Charberday was last year where any week he goes in, he should have the exact same amount of volume. He's incredibly explosive. I mean, we both liked him a lot when he was coming out last year from Florida State and was a third round pick.

People were taking him in the first round of rookie drafts. They were very enthusiastic about him. I mean, Benson was going like near guys like Brian Thomas, like Ladd McConkey in these rookie drafts. And then last year, it was Amari Di Mercado beginning of the year. And then we started seeing Benson coming on over the second half of the year. I agree with you. I think this is a post type.

This is a trusting where I think they really fully trust him in this offense now. There's been positive coach speak. And you love to hear the confidence out of the player as well. Let's take a quick break. We come back. We're talking about wide receivers. All right, welcome back, Coop. And I'll get us start at the wide receiver.

Wide receiver got a couple of interesting ones. The first player I'm going to talk about is Chris Alave. And Chris Alave, there's always like collective groans. There's always a couple of people like a little bit annoyed when you bring up a Chris Alave because there's been seasons where he's failed to deliver at like a really, really hyped up ADP, has had injury concerns specifically last year. The concussions really caught up with him. But when you look at New Orleans, same sort of argument with Alvin Kamara.

People are treating this New Orleans offense like they're not going to score any points. Do I have concerns about Tyler Shuck being a good NFL quarterback or potentially Spencer Rattler? Sure. But I do have confidence in some of the talent of the skill position players and also just how consolidated this offense should be. It's a Kellyn Moore offense, a offensive mind that we're pretty much believing in. like Kellyn Moore obviously did a good job with Philadelphia. When he was in the Los Angeles, we saw a massive season out of Keenan Allen,

obviously high-level production for Mike Williams when he was on the field as well. Then you go back to his work in Dallas. The wide receiver scoring was really, really strong. Obviously, guys like CD Lamb, but there's always wide receivers producing in Kellyn Moore-led offenses. And even if it's a Tyler Shuck behind center,

I still anticipate Chris I'll have to get a very high target share. He's never had lower than a 23% target share in any season of his career, including his rookie season. He's always had a tremendous amount of air yards. And his profile, I think, is more static than Rashid Shaheed. Rashid Shahid is a guy that I know you were on last year and I also liked. Rashid Shahid, though, for him to bounce back in this offense with a rookie behind center, that I'm not so sure about. He's obviously fine at. his current best ball price tag because he's so cheap. But if one of these two is going to come out and be like a mid-level wide receiver

two, my bet would be on Chris Alave. I think when you also look at Alave, New Orleans extended him. So they have a lot of faith in Alave. And when you talk about coach speak, Kellen Moore has said he's going to be a huge part of the offense. And I'm still able to get Chris Alave at low end wide receiver three prices. currently he's going off the board in these FFPC 350s as the wide receiver 35 or 36. That's just too low for a lobby.

If he stays healthy, he's going to obliterate that ADP. He's the kind of player that could finish 10 spots higher or more than that ADP coop. Easily, dude. I mean, last year, think about it, the Eagles, Kelly Morris team last year, was dead last and past attempts. And both their wide receivers missed four games. And they were wide receiver 20 and 27 because it's a highly consignment. And the thing with Rashid Shaheed last year, the reason we loved him so much is because Kubiak used

that consolidated offense and, and he was going a lot cheaper. But it wasn't that we didn't like Alavi more than Sheid. It was just that Alavi was going a lot earlier. This year, Alav is at such an easy price to get. And I will say, I love picking guys like this that have these like biases against them that don't always translate, right? Like, number one with Alavi. People are worried about the concussions.

People are worried about, it's so easy to forget that people wanted Devante Adams to return. higher. People wanted Devante Adams released by the Packers with after two years. He had multiple concussions early on. Turned out 10,000 yards later that it's an injury that can potentially heal at times. And then as long as you're outside of a certain window, you're not more susceptible to getting them. Same with Brandon Cooks, right, who's now a threat to Rashid to Shaheed on the Saints, but not to Chris Alave. I mean, this guy to me, his floor is to have the tight seasons that we see, we saw it for years for Terry McCorren with bad quarterback play for, you know, a guy like Garrett Wilson with bad quarterback play.

I can't really throw Andre Johnson's name out there because he's a Hall of Famer, obviously, but he never had a good quarterback, and he just continued to produce. Like these guys, when you get that kind of target chair, you're still going to get your 1,000 yards. You're still going to be good. The difference for a guy like Tara McLoren is that when he actually got a quarterback, he went from scoring five touchdowns to scoring 13. Like Chris Alave, the worst case situation is that he comes out.

He has his thousand yards. He has his big target chair. Only scores a couple touchdowns because the team isn't good. But what if Tyler Shug is good? What if playing college football for 75 years, he is actually ready to hit the ground run. What if he's just not awful? If he's just not awful and they're like the 20th highest scoring team in the NFL, not like we're asking them that like right now people are treating New Orleans like they're going to

be the 32nd, like Cleveland and New Orleans are the two offenses that people are treating like they're not going to score points. These are the bottom two offenses. We're often wrong when we try to identify who is going to be the worst. offense on the season. Yeah, and you just got to fight back a little bit. Like the Browns last year were obviously brutal, right? But the volume kept their fantasy guys a lot, but they were scoring like 15 points

a game. The Saints and Panthers, these teams only won five games. And the idea of wins holds people back from the possibility that these teams can at least punch back. The Saints last year were punching back. The Panthers were punching back. The Chuba Hubbard had 1,400 yards from scrimmage. You know what I mean?

Like, Alvin Kamara was also an Army once. Like, you can have these guys from the bad teams if the offense can punch back. And I think this offensive line is going to be a little bit better again. Eric McCoy missed virtually the entire season last year. You know, you got a good coach coming in. You still have the weapons around. I don't see why they can't at least fight in these games. The fact that the defense is bad and they're probably going to lose games,

I don't really care about that as long as they're not flat out, straight out, dog water. So it's entirely possible that this team can at least make the game. games, you know, entertaining versus some teams out there that I'm not sure what the plan is. The plan is probably to get the first pick, you know? Yeah. And I'll say for New Orleans, a lot of times when we see these teams that are complete disasters offensively, it starts up front with the offensive line. There's been nothing but positive reports out of New Orleans about this offensive line play

this year. They drafted Kelvin Banks in round one this year inside of the top 10 overall picks. Calvin Banks is a player that was unbelievable as a collegiate, started for like four years, excuse me, for three years at Texas, was considered by some to be the best tackle in this entire draft class. And that's to combine with Talisi Fuaga, who last year they took in about the exact same range. So they have two premium top 10, top 12 pick offensive tackles. And then interior linemen, they have two or three, Trevor Penning, Cesar Ruiz,

Guys like that, that a lot of these offensive line, people who are rating offensive line, I'm certainly not going to give you my offensive line ratings. But anyway, the Saints are going to have a tremendous offensive line as well this year, potentially. And if their offensive line takes a little bit of time to gel, then it's still going to be middle of the pack. It's not going to be a bad offensive line situation in New Orleans. So I'm on a lave at ADP. And I'll just keep going because I have more wide receivers listed than you do. Jordan Addison at wide receiver 38 might be even a better value than Chris Alave at

at wide receiver 36 because we see Addison falling into these insane ranges of the draft. So like Chris Alave, the latest will see him drop in like an FFPC league is like round seven. But occasionally with Addison, we see crazy things where he'll drop into round eight. And I just don't understand the Jordan Addison fading out there where Jordan Addison averaged 13 points per game as a rookie. He averaged 14 points per game last year. He has 19 receiving touchdowns in only 32 games as a pro. 19 receiving touchdowns over your first two seasons in the league is tied for top 12 all time in NFL history. We're talking about a player who was a first round pick in the NFL draft, went 23rd overall in the

2023 NFL draft. He's only 23 years old, Coop. There's room to run in the profile. But when we go back with Addison, you're talking about a player who was all everything in college. He was first team all PAC 12, first team all ACC. And he also won the Bolitnikov Award when he was at Pittsburgh. Like Jordan Addison is a elite level talent where people treat him like he's a boom or bust like high end wide receiver four. I just don't get that. And I also think that there is with Minnesota, the offensive ecosystem is so good. good. And I understand that like we can bring TJ Hawkinson into this. Like Justin Jefferson's

doesn't need us to talk about. He's amazing. Draft him inside the first round. But with Hawkinson and Addison, they're both sort of appealing at ADP where one of them's going to be the number two target, one of them is going to be a number three target. But I think it's going to be very close for both of those guys. I think it's going to be consolidated. It's an offense that was able to hum, even with Sam Darnold behind center has sort of been quarterback proof. Now you get the X factor where it's J.J. McCarthy, a player with athleticism and the ability to extend plays like this offense could really take off this year and there's a lot of appealing ADPs.

But Addison's the one that's continually disrespected every single offseason. Yeah, the one pushback I'll give on this is that it is fairly rare, historically speaking, to have three guys in the same team, all get a hundred times. We talk about that quite a bit. I personally would rank at Jefferson Addison Hawk. But you also have to add in that with these super high-leg consolidated situations, with nobody truly wading in the wings, that when someone goes down, it really hyper-focuses those targets.

So you have a lot of outs with the guy like Addison. Like he could just flat out be the number two target and Hawkinson could be on the back burner, just like we see with the Eagles. Like take the Eagles offense. You have A.J. Brown and DeVontes Smith at the top and Dallas Goddard's waiting in the wings. when any one of those three players gets hurt, go and look at what the targets look like for the other guys. Even last year when the wide receivers were hurt, Goddard went out and had that one hero game where you had like 150 yards and got like 12 targets.

Like you have so many outs with players like this that you have to also imagine what are the contingencies. What happens if Justin Jefferson does go down? What happens if T.J. Hawkinson gets hurt. And if you go back and look at the teams that came close to or did have all three guys on the same team, getting 100 targets, I usually look at a pro football focus is where I look. last for it. But the last team that did it was Kevin O'Connell's Minnesota Vikings. Yes, there was a little bit of it asterisk there because Hawkinson got traded to the team midseason, but they were throwing the ball to Jefferson, Adam Thielen, and Hawkinson. So if I was going to

pick a team to be there and actually get it done, I'd probably pick this team. So I mean, the guy can also obviously like in the best ball streets, everyone knows that this guy can go out and have 150 yards and three touchdowns at any given moment. The only format that I would say that Addison's completely off my board would be something like fast draft, right, where it's total season points, right? And he might miss three games if he gets suspended. That's where I take that guy off my board. Every other format, I don't care if he's suspended for three games. I'd much rather draft a suspended player than somebody coming off injury. Way less moving parts if the guy is healthy and missing games than if he's hurt and missing games. From week 12 on last year for Addison,

Addison had two games where he scored more than 30 points. Week 12, a 30-pointer against Chicago. And then week 14, that near 40-pointer against Atlanta. And then on top of that, he added a 19-pointer in the fantasy championship a week. So I'm with you. And then anytime we've talked about this before on pods, these guys with suspension concerns almost always turn into ADP values and not landmines. And, Coop, if we draft well, we don't take zeros.

You don't take a zero in redraft. I'm not taking a zero the weeks he's out. So maybe he'll get suspended. I don't draft scared, Coop. I don't drive scared. He wasn't, you couldn't use him for the first three weeks last year. I will say this.

I got to give this shout out. He came on our show, Jordan Addison did on Series XM, Channel 87. And Howard Bender straight up asked him. He's like, should we use you this week in fantasy? He's like, you better. That was the week he went out and had 130 plus yards and three touchdowns against the Falcons. So anybody that was listening to that, making their D. Fass lineups, they're on the Jordan

Addison train. Shout out to Jordan Addison, continually disrespected, but never on this show. Talk about your wide receiver. There's been a lot of hype, a lot of hype from people at fantasy points, including Scott Barrett, and a lot of other fantasy analysts that I respect

that are on the Josh Downs train. Josh Downs has started to steam up, but you're on another Colts wide receiver, a blast from the past, Michael Pittman Jr. Yeah, and blast from the path, the guy's 27 years old. I know. I know. We're talking about 35. This is 20, 23

numbers, you know. I love Michael Pittman in Dynasty. I wrote a, sorry, I love Josh Downs in Dynasty. I wrote an article last year talking about the path that these guys take as slot wide receivers that get a bigger role. In the article, I mentioned Josh Downs. I mentioned JSN. JSN got that path.

He surpassed Tyler Lockett to be an every down player. You look at guys like C.V. Lamb as a rookie, he played 94% of his snaps from a slot spot. And then, because they had a Mari Cooper and Michael Gallup. The next year, when he was a full-time wide receiver, it was wheels up. Chris Godwin, stuck behind Deshawn Jackson, stuck behind Mike Evans.

Year three, finally gets the full-time role, laser show, wide receiver two overall. So we want to look for these hyper-efficient guys. You know, you guys, you look at the stats with the separation stats with you guys. You look at the route success rates with Matt Harmon. He checks all those boxes. The concern I would have is this for Josh Downs for the short term, is that one, a lot of those separation. because he pretty exclusively plays the slot.

He only had 6% of his snaps last year come in two wide receiver sets. The rest were basically all in three wide receiver sets. Because of how much slot he plays, it is easier to get separation going against nickel corners. He's not often going against the top, either of the top two corners on the other team. You're not seeing Josh Downs going up against Trent McDuffie

and Christian Gonzalez, right? Maybe those scores can be a little inflated, just like we see with the running backs that only play on third down. their metrics can be a little inflated against light boxes and things like that. But the guy's a tremendous player. We're hoping that he can graduate to being a full every down player, Josh Downs. The problem I run into is last year, Michael Pittman got hurt and missed the game.

He did not take over that role. Adonai Mitchell did. Another game, Alec Pierce got hurt. Josh Downs played 58% of the snaps in that game. Adonai Mitchell played nine. They're hesitant to make this guy in every down rule. And I know they can probably run enough three wide receiver sets to make it happen. but no team is running three-wire receiver sets at, you know, 95% of the snaps.

When I look at a guy like Michael Pittman, this is a guy who is the captain of the team, he's a split end, he's out there every single snap, sometimes playing 100% of the snaps. And over the past few years, this guy's averaged eight, nine targets a game. Last year, he breaks his back. He fractured his back and found out that he could play through the injury with a fractured back, and he did so. You know, I ended up having 111 targets, even playing through a broken back. Josh Downes even said, Josh Downs had a toe injury, and he said, I almost sat out of the game with a toe injury, but how am I going to sit out when this guy's playing?

So, guy absolute big time motivator. And with the bad quarterback play that he's had, right, this guy was wide receiver 13 the year before last with Gardner Minshue throwing for under 200 yards a game, right? Daniel Jones, his career average is 208 yards a game. That's 3,500 yards. Even if he's just his career average type player, that's 3,500 yards, which is what. Jayden Daniels threw for 3,500 yards. Jalen Hertz last year threw for under 3,000. Like, it doesn't take much to have a decent quarterback come in,

and this guy that's been in every snap player, been a target hog player, now he's healthy, healed from this broken bone. It's not a disc. It's not a muscle issue. It's a broken bone that is now healed. We're not fading anybody that broke a rib last year and played soft because they were dealing with pain. This is a guy that could easily go right back to being a guy that gets 100. 130, 100, 40, 150 targets at the age apex for wide receivers, 27 years old.

And he's being drafted at wide receiver 50. A lot of the pushback I get, Theo, is because people think that you still have to draft him at wide receiver 18, where he was drafted last year, wide receiver 50. You can draft your entire starting lineup. Three wide receivers, three running backs, a quarterback, a tight end, another player, and then take Michael Pittman. And he could be the top wide receiver on his team, like he's. been every year in targets. You know, you make such a good argument for Michael Pittman,

and I've been trying to sort of adjust my priors on Pittman, where I want to add a little bit more best ball exposure to him because there's some smart people like yourself making this exact same argument. And I think when also you look at Michael Pittman, this is a player that Indianapolis treated like an alpha wide receiver. He headed into free agency and they bottled him up. They signed him in March. So they gave him his extension. And it was a three year 70 million dollar contract. This is about the same amount of money that Houston gave Nico Collins that Miami gave Jalen Waddle. And this was 46 million in guaranteed money. Michael Pittman's going to make $23 million this year. And it might be more than that. I believe it's $23 million. So let us know in the

comments if you got that one wrong by like $300,000, dude. But Michael Pittman, like if we just go back to 2023, the guy was excellent. And I think that I've made the argument that there's more target competition, Tyler Warren, Josh Downs. But like you said at the wide receiver 50 price tag, Michael Pittman could end up being a low-end wide receiver three, a guy who's in your flex spot at times. And he's still a huge win considering the ADP price. People are sort of leaving him for dead right now.

So I'm going to adjust my priors a little bit on Pittman. I really, really like that call, Coop. Right. And here's the thing. There's a fallacy, right? They call it the false choice or false dilemma fallacy. And this is lowering the ADP of both. Josh Downs and Michael Pittman.

And we saw it for years with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, where it was this fake choice that you were told like, oh, you could only do this or you can only do that. If you like Josh Downs, you have to hate Michael Pittman. And that's not the case. The upside case for Josh Downs is that he gets more snaps, that he gets a better role. And in that case, what you would have is for three wide receiver sets, Josh Downs plays in the slot. And then for two wide receiver sets, the field stretcher, Alex Pierce, come.

out of the game. And we know that they're willing to do that because if you go back to the early years for Alec Pierce, Zach Pascal was playing in every snap role where he primary played slot and then moved out for three for two wide receiver sets. That's the true upside case for Josh Downs where he would absolutely hit the moon. That's what we saw with JSN, with Cideland, with Chris Godwin. That doesn't affect Michael Pittman. Just like the ups, when Chris Godwin hit his upside case, it didn't affect the split end Mike Evans. Mike Evans maintained his role and continued to have a thousand yards year after year from year. The upside case for Josh Downs,

the real choice is Downs versus Alec Pierce or Downs versus Tyler Warren. Those are the real choices. Michael Pittman, there's no world where they take, they take their big 6, 4, 250 pounds split end and say, hey, you're not going to play in two wide receiver sets because we got to get the 5,771 pound downs out there. It's the flanker versus the slot guy.

The Michael Pittman's role is not under threat at all. If it was under threat, wouldn't we have seen him lose snaps last year when he had a broken back? He didn't. Yeah, no, I think you make an unbelievable case for Michael Pittman. I'll keep my next one pretty short and sweet because, again, this player is not being, like, disrespected at ADP. Devante, it's Devante Adams. And Devante Adams is one where I think he's just being mispriced in the sense that

this profile in this offense should be a player that you draft at the two, three terms. not necessarily a guy that's falling into the end of round three. And what's interesting with Pittman is Pitman is going behind Terry McLaren. He's never been outscored by Terry McLaren in any season of his career. Last year, Devante Adams averaged over 17 points per game on two bottom eight offenses. He had 1100 receiving yards, excuse me, a thousand receiving yards and eight touchdowns, 85 receptions in only 14 games played. and again, doing that for the Jets and the Raiders.

It's sort of your Albin-Kamara argument where I think people are less enthusiastic about Devante Adams because he's 32 years old. But there's nothing in this profile that screams regression. In fact, the scoring in the second half of the season was awesome. 17 points in week 13, 26 points in week 14, and then a 43 point week in week 15 to get the fantasy playoff started, another 20 points in week 16.

So Devante Adams is playing at extremely high level. It's an offense that we saw was very consolidated target share between Pukina Kua and Cooper Cup for a large period of time last season. I think we'll see the exact same thing. Devante Adams, again, going behind Terry McLaren. He's also going behind Tyreek Hill, who he scored five more points per game than last season. Devante Adams is just a great value where he's going.

end of third round Devante Adams. You reference like the Joe Burrow T. Higgins. We could see like a Matt Stafford, Devante Adams team in the Best Ball Mania finals. You took the words out of my mouth. He's one of the quarterbacks I wanted to talk about today. When I draft Pookin de Koo in the first round, I just crossed my fingers that Devante Adams is going to be there in the third round

because I think that's going to be a Best Ball Mania final day type stack. Because if you look at where Jamar Chase, goes in the first round and where T. Higgins goes at that two, three swing, right? And then you look at where Pooka Dekua goes in the first round and where Devonty Adams goes in the third. Joe Burroughs being drafted at like pick 60 overall. Matthew Stafford's being picked a hundred picks later, 100 picks later. Like if you're going to be somebody that that not even maxes out, bestball mania, but if you're drafting 20 teams, you would be a fool not to do your best to get one team that has Puka, Adams, Stafford, and I'll even toss in there, Theo.

When I do that every once in well, I circle back with my very last round pick, and I take Tutu Atwell too. Because if one of those guys goes down, Tutu Atwell is now in that Demarcus Robinson role where he's already playing a huge snap share. He could see some extra points. And when you look at the teams, last year, it didn't pan out the way everyone thought, but last year four of the teams in the top 10, Theo, had Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, and Jermaine Burton.

They were prepared for that type of situation. Burton just totally disappeared. At well, we've seen him go out and get 10 targets a game. So I'm going out and I'm stacking those up. If you want to compete with me, you've got to go out, get those guys at value now. And Matthew Stafford is the easiest pick to make ever if you get Pukinakua and Devante Adams,

because you don't really lose any value at that part of the draft reaching by one round. We're talking about round, what, 14? Yeah, and also, like Matt Stafford, he's going at the QB2, QB3 line. You're able to get him as QB. So if you're talking about your best ball strategy, you're able to get Matt Stafford in a three-quarterback build as your QB2.

You could go like Matt Stafford and Cam Ward, Matt Stafford and Gino Smith. There's so many things you could do. You can really, like, build a really fun three-quarterback build and really attack those premium wide receivers, premium running backs, even get a high-level tight end. And so I really like your Matt Stafford call here, Coop. You can build a miniature. I've actually done the exact same thing you talk about where I take Stafford and Cam Ward. And then I build a miniature because it's so easy to get after you take Cam Ward,

somebody like Chica Conquo, Tyler Conklin, Elyleke Aminar. Yeah, 18th round I Amanor is like super easy right now. And he's going to start. Free real estate. There's one guy, Calvin Ridley, and then we don't know. So you can get such a cheap back. The fact that it's a backstack with Cam Ward going where he goes. It's like I'm ending my drafts with a lot of that correlation.

It's not that hard to do. Let's take one more break. We come back. Coup's going to talk about a year two quarterback that could be a cheat code for you in fantasy football. All right, Coop, let's talk about your guy. I don't know if they know about this, but you're a Boston guy. And there's a reason to be excited for a couple of Patriots this year. But Drake May could really be the one incredibly exciting player.

we talk about him on School of Scott, continues to sort of chill at QB 14, QB13, QB15, despite the immense rushing upside that he has. Right. And I just, I do a little bit of, I don't know if the right word for it is like arbitrage, but I try and find like ways to get access to discounted versions of players that I like, right? So you look at last year, a guy like Jaden Daniels came out, ran a ton. threw for 3,500 yards, 25 touchdowns, which, you know, that doesn't really blow your mind, but the rushing was all put them over the top. You look at a guy like Josh Allen.

Like Josh Allen also only threw for like, what, 3,700 yards? It was the rushing that put him over the top. So when I go through and I look at Josh Allen's stats last year, a guy like Bow Nix, those stats are very similar, right? Like they threw for virtually the same. I mean, Bo Nicks actually threw an extra, another touchdown, more touchdowns,

and he threw for very similar yards per game. It was the fact that Josh Sean scored 12 rushing touchdowns and Bo Necks scored four. That's the difference between those players. So I get to that range and then I'm going down and I'm looking at Bo Knicks's numbers versus Drake Mays. I mean, Bo Nix ran the ball 92 times for what, 430 yards? Drake May ran the ball 54 times for 421 yards.

Like he was incredibly efficient with his rushing. People are underestimating the fact that his 40 times is very similar to someone like Jay and Daniels. This guy's absolutely willing to run. He has Josh McDaniels coming in. say what you will about him as a head coach, but this guy has won many, many rings and orchestrated absolutely ridiculously efficient and awesome seasons. That was obviously with Tom Brady, but Tom Brady at times with an island of misfit torts. They got Stefan Diggs coming in.

Derek Henry is a touchdown threat. Trayvion Henderson is now hopefully going to be there. The ceiling would be like a Jamir Gibbs, Alvin Kamara type. But, you know, worst case, you're getting to James White. What happens when you throw the ball to James White? 78 times, 110 times like they have, the quarterback gets all those stats, all those stats. That's why Drew Breeze is so great for all those years because the run game was throwing the ball to Alvin Kamar and Drew Breeze got all those numbers. So we could see him come out, Drake May and be this year's Bow Nix, be this year's Jaden Daniels, and he's doing it at QB 15.

In your redraft leagues this year, if you wait on quarterback and you draft somebody that you consider it to be boring, right? you know, like a, even a Baker Mayfield, but like a Jared Gough or, or Brock Perry, and that's your starter. Use a bench spot on Drake May, who's going outside the top 12 quarterbacks easily and just see if you can catch lightning in a bottle. That's how we got Jane Daniels last year. That's what we got Lamar Jackson's rookie year.

It's okay to draft two quarterbacks. And in your super flex and your best ball leagues, I don't have to tell you why a guy who's capable of running the ball over 100 times, the floor for that guy is QB1. Almost always has been. If you run the ball 90 times, you have to go out of your way to not be a QB1 in fantasy football. Yeah, and Coup, I'll just ask you this. Who's going to have more rushing yards this year, Kyler Murray or Drake May? Honestly, Kyle, I was going to say Drake May, but Kyler just came out and said that he wants to run the ball more this year.

I think they could be very similar, but we're talking about the QB8 and ADP versus QB14. And I would say, I'd say it's a coinflict. I'd say it's a coin flip between the two rushing yards. Right. The guy ran for 421 yards and go back and like don't watch the games because I watch the games and they're painful. But just go back and just look at some of the game scripts. Those were nightmare games. Those are nightmare games.

He didn't even start the season, obviously. He comes in off the bench. So, you know, he gets knocked out of one of the games as well with the concussion scare. Like this guy played not even close to a full season. And when you look at what, you know, the path he could be on as a guy that runs for 600, 700, 700, 800 yards. I mean, we've seen quarterbacks that are flat out bad. Quarterbacks that flat out get benched and cut having QB1 seasons because they're willing to run. I've seen Tyrod Taylor have a QB1 season. I've seen Vince Young have a QB1 season.

Marcus Marriota, Daniel Jones. The willingness to run is so valuable in fantasy. It's virtually all that matters for some of these guys. Yeah. And also you have to think like with the Patriots coaching staff, there's going to be a lot of design runs and the potential that Drake May is heavily utilized inside the five yard line and on the goal line like we saw with Josh Allen. It was sort of a let's draft our Josh Allen here. They had a huge offer from the Giants in terms of they could have gotten this year's first round pick and last year's number six overall pick, which turned out to be Malik neighbors to trade down from Drake May. They stood pat. So I think this year, Drake May is

a great value. I completely agree with you. This is one where he's really, fun. And I think like when we look at back of the college rushing production, before O'Marie and Hampton, like, took over at UNC, Drake May led them in rushing yards. And alongside O'Marion Hampton, and Hampton was 1,500 plus rushing yards. Drake May had like nine rushing scores, nearly 500 rushing yards next to a first round running back. So like I think Drake May is a really, really strong recommendation. And one for me at the quarterback spot, like you brought up Stafford on the low end. We talk about Drake. May also on the low end. Another player who's sort of living in high end QB2 range is Brock Purdy. And he's right on the border. He's QB 13. But when we look at Brock Purdy, Brock Purdy's been consistently good on a points per game basis. He was QB6 in points per game in 20203, QB 10 in points per game last year. Now he's being drafted as QB 13. I think that Brock Purdy's got some room to run in this profile. We saw the rushing yardage last year go up. He had 323 rushing yards and five rushing scores,

which was a little bit out of character compared to what we saw from him, his rookie year, where the rushing yardage was like non-existent, didn't run at all. So he really seems comfortable. And we saw this big contract awarded to Purdy this offseason, but people still like, they're not that enthusiastic to draft him. Coop, he's 25 years old. He's incredibly efficient as a passer. He has a 30 touchdown season, two seasons ago in 2023, gets back Christian McCaffrey this year. You referenced Ricky Purcell. There's a lot to like about this wide receiver room. I understand that there's turnover.

But last year we saw Joanne Jennings take a huge step forward. Ricky Purcell, there's some steam and buzz there. You've got guys like Jacob Cowing, then DeMarcus Robinson that the beat reporters are on. George Kittle is still George Kittle. And then Brandon Ayukes sounds like he could be back October, end of October, something a lot. like a November. So the weapons are going to be there for Purdy. The offensive line play is going to be better this year. And he's just living in QB2 land. I think with Purdy and with May, you could make an argument that the high-end QB2 range players really have just as much of a good range

of outcomes as sort of the low-end QB ones. Yeah. And the thing with Purdy is that, you know, people still dwell. Again, we talked about it earlier, some of the biases that people have against players, you know what I mean? Like, oh, he's not a good leader. Oh, he was the last pick in the NFL draft. Like people think that this is just a system guy. But like even as a Patriots super fan and a Tom Brady super fan, I'm willing to admit that early in his career, Tom Brady was a system guy,

that he got a lot of help from the defense, that he, that he also, his rookie contract helped out a lot, right? It helped build these teams, right? Like, but then when you look at the metrics, it was there all along that the completion, you know,

from everything from the, from the yards for pass. attempt and the big time throws and the completion percentages and everything you go through on Tom Brady was all there. Well, there's no statistical argument against Brock Party. I very rarely see any, it's all, it's all, oh, Shanahan could make anybody a good quarterback, this and that. Nobody ever pulls up the stats and says, here on this chart, look where Brock Party is, because every time you look at the chart, he's up in the top right corner, right? Like every one of the efficiency metrics, like Brock Purdy is a good distributor of the football. Downfield passes. I mean, he hits on so many metrics.

If you go to Fantasy Points data and you pull up Brock Purdy, like there's so much to like. It's just it's not the only argument would be like Shanahan's going to run the football. They're going to have balance. He's not going to get the overwhelming amount of past attempts. But you could also make an argument, sort of like the George Kittle targets, where it makes them way more efficient, you know, the use of the run game and sort of to open up the passing game in San Francisco. maybe the efficiency would take a step back if they went full-on pass attack.

I'm not quite sure, but I just know that Brock Purdy, like the chances of him finishing as QB-13, I think he's more likely to finish as a QB-7 than like the QB-13, QB-14. Good teams. The thing about the fallacy of the good teams being too good to throw the ball enough is not really a huge problem. It is, if you're drafting Patrick Mahomes at QB. 3 and you know what I mean and then they don't throw it as much and he ends up being you know QB 8 9 10 whatever it is like but a guy like rock purdy two years ago this team was dead last in past tense nearly in the entire league right dead last and past death but they were super efficient

they were passing to the running back george kiddo was scoring the touchdowns of the air and this guy was QB 7 right like anyone that had jalen hurts last year were you that upset about the way the season went like he only threw for 2,900 yards they threw the fewest attempts of any team in the league. Were you upset to have Jalen Hertz last year? Of course not. So for me, like Brock Purdy, he's going to be just fine. Super highly consolidated offense also allows you to stack those guys easily. I do, I will say, I do like taking Joanne Jennings. I'll take Joan Jennings. I love John Jennings. I mean, you know, yeah, he's, he's fantastic value. Kittles a great value in non, like non-tight end premium. Kittles fantastic. And then I like taking shots on some of the other

wide receivers as well. Like, it's just a very well priced offense to have success. And to your argument, 2023 stats had the fewest pass attempts of any team in football, but he was fifth in passing yardage, had over 4,4,280 passing yards. He also was ninth in red zone attempts. And when we go a little bit further down into the metrics, like, first of all, third in passing touchdowns despite the lack of volume. And the efficiency, number one in yards per attempt, number one in adjusted yards per attempt. I mean, just checks off so many a third in fantasy points per dropback. So like for me,

Purdy checks off a ton of boxes. Right. Love it. And Kup, you know, we talked about every position here. You usually get typecasted on a lot of these channels, but not here and not here on fantasy points. We know you are well-rounded, but your reputation is tight ends. You write the yin, yin-yang tight-end article, which is just fire every single week. And, you know, you're sort of known as one of these tight-end gurus. like people will say i i said this years ago before you like blew up i was like Andrew cooper is the matt harmon of tight ends and now it's like is Matt harmon the Andrew Cooper of wide receivers i don't know because you're blowing up my man but i don't know if i go that far i know you didn't want to talk about tight ends you didn't even want to talk about him you said i'm tired to be up at and

typecasted Theo don't do this to me but you got to drop two i need two tight ends from you that are underrated right now it's so funny everybody everyone knows me knows that's the complete opposite And people will do that deal. They'll be like, oh, let's do something else because you don't like talking tight ends. You're tired of talking tight ends. No, we've had full on. And like Ted and you came on this channel and you were, you did a full tight end episode with me like two months back.

I'm sure we'll do that again. But yeah, you could talk about whatever, my man. Well, that's the thing, though. It's like, it's like being a chef and you're like, your main thing is steak, but you obviously eat other foods. So like you do like talking about them. But I ask me about steak because that's where I have all the most takes. Like, tight end is where I have.

where I have the most takes, no question. And there's a lot of people out there that I respect in this industry that do tight end work as well. I'll give a shout out right now, Daniel Williamson. He is part of, in my opinion, part of the brotherhood of tight end whispers, along with, you know, Howard Bender and a few other guys. So shout out. We'll throw one more into your, your mix. We had him on school Scott. Max Tiscano. Yeah, like a lot of, a lot of good tight end stuff recently. Yeah. I, dude, I'm still trying to, I'm still waiting in line to see if I can get on with you and Scott. We'll have to say. We've got to get, we got to get you the mix.

We got to get to see the mix. But yeah, Max does a great job, especially with scheme. I love that he really dives into like the, like people can enjoy Max's stuff, even if they don't play fantasy football because he does a lot of that, like video stuff, the scheme stuff. He does a good job. So shout out to Max for sure. But yeah, there's a lot of good tight and stuff out there.

But, you know, we still deploy our yin and yang tight end to great success. And where it really thrives is, as you mentioned, guys like George Kittal, guys like Mark Andrews, maybe not as good in tight-end premium. If you play on like FFPC, you really should lean into the philosophy of the Yin and Yang tight end. Definitely, there's an article I put out every year, what makes an elite tight end? You can pull up the metrics on that and decide for yourself. But basically the short and sweet is that going back to 2020, 2003, so like 20 plus

years, every top five tight end has had either 90 targets or 10 plus touchdowns. And the guys that have 10 plus touchdowns are so hard to, uh, to find the only guy in the league right now that has had multiple seasons of 10 plus touchdowns is Travis Kelsey. Everybody else has had only one. It's pretty crazy that like it's just so hard to predict, you know. So even Mark Andrews only had one. It's just it's a hard metric.

So we go after the targets. So ideally we're looking for guys that are athletic and our top two targets on their team. And when I go and look through, I don't see why a guy like Evan Engram can't come out and be the Joker, right? he can't come out and be that top two target along with Cortland Sutton this year. And even if it is highly consolidated among him and Sutton and R.J. Harvey, that's not going to stop him just like it didn't stop Sean Payton teams from years past. And the thing about Angram that I love is that he has a stigma on him. It's kind of coming off as we get farther away.

But so many people look at players if they get released or they get traded and they say, this guy must be bad. But the reality is that Liam Cohen doesn't use this type of tight end. He uses a two-way in-line tight end in his offense, just like the Rams, just like the Falcons. They don't have a big slot rule for tight ends because the main wide receiver plays out of the slot. Chris Godwin, Cooper Cup. This year it's going to be Brian Thomas Jr. Travis Hunter mixed it in there.

They looked at the big slot tight end and said we do not use that in our scheme or getting rid of it. Teams do it all the time on defense when they switch from like a 3-4 to a 4-3 and they say, hey, we don't need a nose tackle. So we're going to release a good player because we don't use it. it. That's what happened here. They don't use the player. They got rid of them. Christian Kirk as well. We don't need that slot guy. We use a big slot type wide receiver here. So they moved on from them. And the perfect landing spot came around with a guy that uses a wide receipt, a tight end like a wide receiver, has done it to great success with guys like

Jimmy Graham. He tried it last year with Devon DeLay and Will Jordan Humphrey and Lucas Kroll and Greg Dulcich and all these Misfit toy players that just couldn't do it. He tried it. It didn't work. Now they brought in the guy that's going to do it. Evan Engrom. wheels up. And we know he's going to play that Joker role because he tweeted a diff, a goddamn Joker deal. I mean, like, where do you think he got that idea? Sean Peyton said, here's what we're going to do with you. And he said, that sounds great. Let me tweet that out. Yeah, I mean, Evan Engram is is steamed up, but I think steamed up for a reason. And when we look at Denver, it's really hard to imagine that he's not the number one or number two target there. And we talk about

Cortland Sutton, like I like Sutton this year. But Sutton, we saw sort of a peak outcome in terms of his usage last year, a peak outcome in terms of his targets. I think if Sutton hits his same target share as last year, huge win for Cortland Sutton managers. More likely than not, it's going to be a little bit more of a balanced offense. But Evan Engram in that role, I think it's justifying the ADP. I'll share a very similar player to Evan Engram, but a little bit cheaper in ADP. We keep talking about these ugly beat-up offenses.

And I think the best tight end value on the board right now is not Evan Engram. he's a really good one. But the best tight end value on the board is David Njoku. And Kup, you talk about this all the time where it's identify these tight ends that are going to get 90 plus targets. Identify the tight ends that are going to be the number one or number two target on their team. It's just a super simple way to look at the position that gives a lot of people problems. And when I look at David Njoku, much like Evan Engram, I would be completely shocked if he's not a top two target in Cleveland. you're talking about a player in David and Joku.

And this is sort of like when you look at the tight ends have earned the most targets over the last two seasons, Travis Kelsey has 254 in 31 games played. Trey McBride has 253 in 33 games played. But the number three highest target earner at the tight end position is David and Joku, who despite playing only 27 games, six fewer than Trey McBride, He has 220 targets over his last 27 games played.

He is an absolute target magnet and Coupe. We could potentially have Joe Flacco, David and Joku, the sequel. And back in 2023, this was the biggest fantasy cheat code. This was the league winner. Was your guy Evan Engram and my guy, David and Joku, in that fantasy playoffs were you needed one of those two guys. And Joku had four straight top four weekly tight end finishes. every single game he scored at least 16 points.

And then he added another 16 points in that playoff loss to the Houston Texans. So like, and Joku has so many outs here to return value. He's criminally underrated. You're getting him at tight end 12 on underdog. And FFPC goes somewhere between tight end nine and tight end 12. He could have his best season as a pro. I like Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy's, I'm not anti-Judy,

but Jerry Judy was not a 25% target share guy. He was like a 23% target share guy. And the number two target at the wide receiver spot, Cedric Tillman, who was really good, but for like a month, this is an offense that's going to have to lean on David and Joku, despite the presence of Harold Fannin Jr., who they drafted in round three. Fanon's going to be one of the youngest tight ends in football this year.

Whatever they get out of Fannin is sort of going to be a positive. And they could also be in 12 personnel an absolute ton, but it's going to be a ton of David and Joku. I love them this year. Yeah, it's so funny just to watching the foul. Maybe I'll do an article on fallacies. Do it. That'll be the one.

Let's rework the word. It's not good SEO. Nobody's searching the word fallacy. You got to come up with something. I do. No, no, no. Every year I'm allowed one article that has no SEO benefits, that has no SEO keywords that we, that we chase the awards with.

I think that might be the one this year. I think that might be the one. Let's do it. Fantasy fallacies, but I think that's what we're going for. Because again, the false choice comes up again where people think, oh, you don't. Because Jerry Judy is going to get targets, this guy's not. going to be bad. That Dave and Joe can't get enough. The reason we say top two is because the number one tight end season of all time was Rob Gruncowski on a team where West Welker got 173 targets.

So as long as you're in that top two range and you get your 100 targets, ideally 110, 120, it's not a problem. We see it all the time with wide receivers. We have no problem drafting Jamar Chase and T. Higgins because we think they're both going to get 125 plus targets if things go according to plan. Well, why can't we do that with a wide receiver and a tight end? Like, I mean, last year, Marvin Harrison, Jr. got, what, 117 targets? Wasn't a problem for Tram McBride, who got 147 and missed the game. And then I'll have people arguing that, okay, you're rushing out the best case scenario

with Joe Flacco and David and Joku and the amount of targets that this guy is getting. Like, he's not going to get 12 targets a game like he was getting. Last year he got, last year without Joe Flacco, he got 97 targets. and only 11 games. That was tied for six in the league, despite only playing 11 games. Like, what we're doing here is we're not saying he's going to get 15 targets a game. We're shooting for the stars and you at least land with the clouds for the player like this. He might get that many targets a game, but he doesn't have to.

Like this guy, if they didn't fall for the Austin Hooper volume trap years ago, this guy would have broken out years ago. He would have been a household name. They got tricked into paying Austin Hooper a bunch of money, and that set this guy back. But Dave and Joku is awesome. So I have no problem going out and taking a guy like this at his ADP. In fact, for the first time ever, Theo, my strategy is almost always either trying to get a good discount on the top guy or go with late guys. This year so far, if the ADPs hold, I'm drafting guys in the back end, tight end one range, which you know I never.

I brought this up on another pod the other day that I agree with you. I've said that it's a rare year where the back end tight end ones are really, really hitting. and then you don't necessarily see the, you know, Leporta was, Leporta is a good example. Like we were on Leporta when he was a rookie and neither one of us were like Loporta is going to be the tight end one overall. But we both discussed drafting Sam Leporta regularly. We both had exposure to him, his rookie season. And in Dynasty, I had an absolute ton of Leport. I still do.

But Leporta was a guy you were able to get like tight end 14. You're not necessarily seeing that. Like Lovland and Warren go ahead of where Leporta went. So that the tight end, the high end tight end two range guys are a little bit less appealing than some years. Whereas the back end tight end one guys, it's a really, really strong year for them. So that's like a draft. It's a fallacy. A lot of years, it's like that's not the area you want to attack.

It's sort of the dead zone for tight ends. This year it could be live. It flips because usually it's that year is that, usually that group is filled with guys that are, that somebody got hurt. and that's why they got boosted, right? Somebody that's clearly a third target on their team. Usually it's guys like Dallas Goddard and Jake Ferguson in that range, but this year I like the guys in that range. And I will say because of the way things are shaping out,

one of our stats is at risk here, Theo. Every year for eight years now, a tight end's come from outside the top 15 in ADP to finish top five. Every year. Last year, it was Johnny Smith came from way downtown. Yeah. And John, John Smith finished as a top two target of his team.

You know, injuries helped out of way. little bit, the wrist for Tyrake, Waddle always dealing with something, but hey, he got there. That's after that range, that's where you got to, I encourage you, use your imagination. Look around and say, who could be a top two target on the team, or at the very least, where is it highly consolidated the way that the 49ers are, the way that the, the, the, the, the dolphins are. I mean, I'll tell you this, Leo, how high are we going to rank Elijah Arroyo if no a fan gets cut, right?

because that's the same scheme that created Johnny Smith, that created George Kettle. And if he doesn't get cut, I mean, you know, Noah Fant runs a four-five, so I'll quietly throw that out there. But ask yourself, like, where are these consolidated offense? Where are these guys? I'm looking at Hunter Henry, who, you know, we talk about David and Joku having 97 targets last year. Hunter Henry had 97 targets. Chigacu Kankwa, why can't he be the second target on his team? Why can't Jatavian Sanders take advantage of this period where Tommy Trembles got a back surgery?

You know, why can't Mason Taylor pop on the on the jets? And, you know, those are just some names. Use your imagination. Sit down and say who could really push themselves in the top two target, right? That's the game we play. It's been working for us and we're going to keep doing it. I like your Hunter Henry call. And I know Henry's a guy that last year when we podcast together like every week,

Henry was a guy that we were constantly talking about on our waiver wire show because he was always available and always in a strong role. But, Coop, if you look at the Patriots, like a lot of steam for coffee. Williams right now, a lot of hope for Stefan Diggs to return to really a little bit more than he was in Houston. He was 15 points per game in Houston, but like a higher A dot role in New England, there's hope for those two guys. But I can avoid both of those guys if building a Drake May correlation play or a stack. I can skip both of those guys and I can just go right to Hunter Henry. And Henry, as good an argument as any, it's sort of a way less exciting pick than an Engram or an

Joku, but the same sort of argument that a guy who has minimal wide receiver target competition, and Kyle Williams also could be like a really exciting 85 target player who just gets a lot of like big play looks. Think about like James and William's Jordan Addison, Addison, light, light in the offense. And they'll get as much out of digs as they can. But I think Hunter Henry's in a really good spot. Yeah. I mean, again, this is another guy who is very good versus man to man, always in the top of the league and those type metrics,

which translates to the red area. That's why the year before last, when they only threw like 18 touchdowns, he had six. Like this guy, if this is a better team, you could come out and have six, seven, eight, nine touchdowns. I mean,

and the year for last when he had six, that was the second, tied for second most in the league. Like touchdowns are hard to come by. And guys that can win and man to man and in those situations benefit from that. So I think Hunter Henry absolutely could be one of those guys. But that's the move out there.

Use your imagination. And all year, as always, I will have my yin-yang tight end rankings in the fantasy alarm draft guide, and then I'll be updating them in my waiver article every week so that the strategy doesn't end when the season starts. The strategy, we're committing to finding these guys, and we will find them. And I'll tell you what, even in best fall, Theo, last year I took a team to the final day,

finished 226 out of 600,000 people. That's the top 1% of the top 1%. My only two tight ends that cracked my line up the entire year were Hunter Henry and Pat Brammer. Those are the only 10 ends I had. That combination didn't score fewer than five points. Only one game they did. It was week one.

Every other week, more than five points from those guys. So, like, you can get there without drafting elite tight end if you just do it, right, and do it at value. Look for Coop on a tight end-centric episode, either here or School of Scott sometime this summer. Check out all of Coop's work over at Fantasy Larm. Absolute fire every time we get on a podcast together, Coop. And appreciate you going long.

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