Fantasy Football Daily - 2021 IDP Corner - Week 3 Preseason Review

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

Justin Varnes (@downwithIDP) and Tom Simons recap some notable preseason action from Week 3 from an IDP perspective. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top-level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Really? Really? Week three? This is what you're going to give us for preseason? What a colossal letdown that was. I was expecting so much more. I know obviously this is our first time having only three preseason games. But there were a lot of questions we were hoping to get answered, a lot of things we were hoping to get cleared up that shall remain fuzzy. But I'll end my rant there. My name is Justin Varns. I'm with FantasyPoints.com. I'm one of the

IDP analysts. Welcome to the IDP corner. And with me and equally frustrated on the left, frustrated on the left coast is Mr. Thomas Simons. How you doing, Thomas? I'm frustrated, Justin. As you had, you may mention, there were nine of the 32 teams out there had their full starters to begin the preseason week three. Four teams went with partial starters and partial starters sitting on the bench. 17 teams did not start their starters. They arrested them. They didn't even dress. And then two teams didn't even play. Now, one thing we need to preface here is that this podcast is being recorded before the final cuts on Tuesday, August 31st. So if you, if we mention somebody or talk about some things that happen or players that get caught on Tuesday, which there are going

to be some big name veterans let go and or traded, then we'll have to address them in our first regular season podcast. And everybody out there should know that the reason this is happening is because we're recording this before the final cuts. And speaking of the final. And speaking of the final preseason games and heading into regular season. This is going to wrap up our preseason podcasting and the offseason podcasting. And next time you hear our melodious voices, we'll actually have actual meaningful football to analyze and discuss. So we're pretty excited about that. But for now, let's review what we did find out from week three with our news and notes. You said melodious. The Jets traded their 2020.

six-round pick to Houston for one Lawson to replace another. They traded for Shaq Lawson, the defensive end, and he's going to step in for Carl Lawson. They've been using Bryce Huff from the meantime to fill Lawson's shoes, but apparently didn't feel comfortable with that moving forward, so they went out and traded for Shaq Lawson, who most likely stepped into Carl Lawson's position. And we'll get into a little bit more why Lawson might have a little bit more fantasy. value than we would have originally thought. It has more to do with than just Carl Lawson being gone, but we'll get to that at a later part of the podcast. For now, one of the things that we've

been watching, we read over the offseason about Jeremy Chin being moved around a little bit more, playing less linebacker and playing more of a traditional safety. Chin was a top safety and top DB for us last year. Not only was he near the line of scrimmage, but he also had a couple of back-to-back fumble recoveries turned into touchdowns that also helped. But we were trying to be careful to pump the brakes a little bit on chin for this season because they won't be using him on the line of scrimmage as much as they did last year. And for the first couple of preseason games, we saw chin playing deep more often than fellow

safety Justin Burris, who was playing a little closer to the box. That really had us worried. However, in this final preseason tune-up with the starters, Jeremy Chin played 14 of his 19 snaps either in the box or in the slot. So that's where we want to be seeing him. And it was Burris who played 13 of his 19 snaps at deep safety. This is more of what we're hoping to see so that Chin can maintain his fantasy irrelevance. We don't think he's going to be able to repeat the season he had last year.

year. But now we think he's maybe back into the top 10, top 12 conversation for defensive backs. Yeah. I mean, one of the things we were concerned with, as you mentioned, is that Chin would be playing more deep, playing more of a safety role than a linebacker role. But with the departure of Denzel Perryman in the trade and Jermaine Carter playing linebacker, you know, they started using Chin more in what we thought was last year's role. And, that opens the door for Chin to actually rise in our projections a little bit and something to keep in mind. Now, granted, in this past preseason weekend, Chin did start along with Carter and they both took every single defensive snap. So, yes, the numbers that we just gave you are an indication that Chin's going to play the same kind of role he had last year.

But Carter is not a definitive three-down linebacker yet, even though it looked like he was in this past preseason game. But we mentioned they're only doing 15 to 20 snaps maximum for these starting teams so you don't know what they're going to do for a whole game. Now, we can go ahead and move on to the Rams who didn't start any of their defense at all. but it does look like Darius Williams is going to start at left cornerback, and opposite Jalen Ramsey, and David Long will be the nickelback going into the season. Now, the surprise here is that Micah Kaiser didn't sit with the starters. He actually played.

He started the game, and it looks like Troy Reeder is going to start with Kenny Young inside. Now, are they going to rotate these three? I don't know. Was Kaiser being used? because he hasn't seen any time during the preseason, and that's the reason why he dressed and played. We don't know quite yet. But whatever, you know, all the official depth charts we've seen so far has Reader and Young as the starters.

And there have been, I think at least one, if not two reports that they're considering trading Kaiser, which makes a lot of sense because he's certainly a capable linebacker, and there are lots of teams out there that could use at least some, linebacker depth, if not have him play some meaningful snaps. I do think that it is Reader and Young who they are putting their faith in. But we saw that Kaiser was still playing well into the first half. I think might have even been into the second half. But definitely he was out there after both Reader and Young came off the field. That either could be a showcase. This is, you know, as Thomas had mentioned, And this is the time where not only do cuts happen, but trades happen, where it's just clear,

like, hey, let's just see if we can at least get something for this player before completely cutting him loose. Kaiser could very well be that kind of player. In fact, by the time this podcast hits, Kaiser might be a linebacker for another team. Either way, all that really means for now is be careful not to draft Kaiser too highly. I mean, I would draft him at most at a bench spot. but we're seeing Reader and Young, the two valuable linebackers here. And remember that neither Reader nor Young should be wearing the communication helmet,

which means they may not be three-down linebackers. They'll likely play enough snaps to be fantasy relevant, but just keep that in mind that they may elect to keep Kaiser and create a little bit of a rotation between the three of them. Time will tell. Speaking of linebacker rotations and linebacker muddiness, we actually did get at least to see a little bit of action to help us figure out what's going on in Chicago. So next to Roquan Smith, it's been Danny Trevathan for the last several years.

Travathan's 31, but still playing well. Last year, he didn't have his best season. Showed a few cracks last year. And they brought in Alec Ogletree, who was somebody that was basically relegated to backup spot and was struggling to make a team, much less make a starting lineup. Well, Ogletree came to the Bears in great shape. We talked a little bit about this last week and played very well and was really impressing in training camp while Trevathan was out with an injury. So this last preseason game was hopefully going to give us some tea leaves here, as we like to say.

And that's exactly what we got, which was that Ogletree, he did not play just like Roquon Smith didn't play. So the Bears were one of the teams that played almost. none of their defensive starters. So Ogletree and Smith sat while Trevathan started and played essentially with the rest of the two. So that by itself on the surface looks like Ogletree is the starter next to Roquan Smith. However, there are a couple of key pieces that you have to include in this.

One, Trevathan played great. He had an interception, a past defense, had a couple of tackles. He looked great. He hadn't played for much of training camp or preseason. And afterwards, the coach said, because he and Eddie Goldman, another presumed starter, didn't get much, many reps during training camp that they needed live reps. So the fact that Trevatham was out there doesn't necessarily mean he's fighting for a roster spot. I think his roster spot is fine. And then the other thing is that I did some research and there was a beatwriter, a beatwriter Anthony Heron said this whole situation with Ogletree and Trevathan is being misinterpreted.

Ogletree just gives them a legitimate backup. Similar to what they had with Nick Kikoski a couple of years ago, he was an extremely capable backup for both Roquan Smith and Danny Trevathan and would step right in for either one of them if either one of them got banged up a little bit. So Heron at least believes that's what Ogletree is going to be for this team. That said, it still makes Trevathan a shaky pick for maybe a reliable LV3. So he's somebody you might want to either avoid altogether or wait, wait, just deep in drafts for both of these guys. Yeah, and as we mentioned with the Rams, with Kaiser and Reader and Young, there's, you know,

because these players haven't seen much action in the preseason games, and because of the fact that, that, you know, there's a shortened preseason, it really complicates and muddles the situation or muddies the waters to understanding exactly what their roles are and how they're going to play this out. Now, Treveithen hasn't played until now, so that's probably the reason why he got the playing time, whereas Ogletree has been playing a lot up to this point. So it doesn't, like you said, it doesn't mean anything in regards to Ogletree being of Sarder over Trevathan. But it's a risky situation that you have to pay close attention to because now they have almost two weeks to prepare for the season. and final cuts are going to happen.

And then all of a sudden, now you're going to start seeing how they're really practicing and getting ready for the season. So let's, yeah, let's move on to our quick hits now. Yeah, I agree, Thomas. That's something we're going to have to watch carefully as a season goes along. On to our quick hits. So Seattle, Seahawks had a great game against the Chargers after having a disastrous outing at home against Denver the week before.

Well, Darrell Taylor looks like he's going to be. the starting strong side linebacker for Seattle. He had a heck of a game against the charges. He took 63% of the snaps. He had a solo and an assist and he had one and a half sacks along with a pass defendant. So Taylor is looking more and more like a solid strong side linebacker. He's a two-down linebacker most likely for them. There is the concern that K.J. Wright, who's still out there, could come in and if the price is right, could come in and probably steal some snaps from Taylor at that strong side linebacker spot. But after what Taylor did this past weekend, I'm not seeing K.J. Wright being a sign for the Seahawks in the near future.

Last week for the Patriots safety, Kyle Dugger, second year player Kyle Dugger, started with the ones while Adrian Phillips, one of the other safeties, came off the bench. And that was a bit unexpected. We are expecting to see Phillips be the starter there and Dugger come in as the third safety. Well, that's what we saw this week. This week we saw it kind of returned to normalcy where Phillips got back out there with the ones. We think both these guys are going to play a lot, along with Veterans Safety, Devin McCordy, kind of being a more traditional free safety. We imagine a lot of three safety sets where McCordy is out there and you're going to have both Phillips and Dugger.

There might be times when Phillips is not on the field and Dugger is. So there's a little bit of a rotation there. However, both Phillips and Dugger have fantasy value, but we think Phillips has the path to more snaps and more productivity. Yeah. Let's move on to Jacksonville and talk about move from D.Bs to linebackers. We talked about Miles Jack and Damien Wilson being the two-set line. linebackers for the Jaguars, especially after they traded Joe Schober to Pittsburgh.

Well, through most of this preseason and in their practices and scrimmages, the Jaguars have been running a two linebacker set for most of the time. So it's beginning to look more and more like these are the two linebackers you can count on and that they'll see the field quite a bit. Based on training camp and all three preseason games, a couple of deep sleepers for linebackers. And this goes from ADP as well as my own experience in a ton of drafts, both in expert and casual leagues.

Both Logan Wilson in Cincinnati and Anthony Walker in Cleveland look to be every down linebackers there. And they're all but forgotten in these drafts. And the reason I say they look to be every down linebackers, we read that they're supposed to be the wearers of the green dot. They're supposed to be the ones communicating out there. So that means they're expected to be. be three-down linebackers. And then when these preseason games, if they're playing the snaps,

they're supposed to play with the starters, or they're resting with the starters, then there's no indication that they won't be exactly what they've been all preseason. Now, the reason these guys are so low is because they're risky. We don't actually know if Logan Wilson, right? We're not, we're not worried about Darius Leonard. He's going to be an every down linebacker unless something traumatic happens, right? We're not worried about roe. Quasman Smith or any of these other guys. But when you were when you were down lower in drafts and looking for players with upside, Wilson and Walker have have really kind of clear paths to playing. Maybe then maybe they won't be 100% opportunity there. But maybe they'll be, you know,

80 to 90% snaps. We'll take that. Particularly if you can, because you can get them so late, they're a solid LB3 or LB4, but they actually do have LB2 upside just based on the fact that They might log 1,100 snaps this year. Yep, that's very true. And we'll move on to another linebacker who could be in a similar type mode, and that's Jermaine Carter, which we mentioned earlier with Jeremy Chin. He took all the first team defensive snaps, which is 19. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's a three-down linebacker,

and therein lies the risk and why he's dropping or is going low on the ADP. But again, he was on the field for as many snaps. is Jeremy Chin, even though Chin played in the box with him. So there's a lot of belief that Carter is the guy that the Panthers are comfortable with, and so much so that they let Denzel Perriman go in a trade. So again, Carter fits the same bill as Logan Wilson and Anthony Walker as far as being taken late, but looks like a linebacker four could be a linebacker three or two. Now, he's not a defensive coordinator. He's not the head coach. He's not the GM. He's not the GM. But Steve Smith is clearly plugged in to the Carolina Panthers. And Steve Smith said that Jermaine

Carter was the quote unquote new leader of this defense. Now, again, that's just a former player saying that that doesn't necessarily mean a ton. You know, you don't want to bank a whole lot on that. But still, you know, there's a lot of things pointing here to say that Carter is going to be on the field a lot. So I'd still rather Walker or Wilson and Thomas, I'm, I'm, I'm sure you're the same way. But again, as we get laid into drafts and you need a fourth or a fifth linebacker, you need a bench spot, there are a lot worse players to take a shot on than somebody like Carter, who could be an 80, 90, maybe even 100% snap guy there in Carolina.

Another linebacker, we're going on a little bit of a linebacker run here, but another linebacker that situation that we were hoping to get some clarity on that we did was the linebacking spot next to Alexander Johnson in Denver. There were hints that second-year player Justin Strannad was going to be replacing Josie Jewel either full-time or possibly splitting snaps with him. It was Jewel who played with the starters while Stranad came off the bench in our final preseason game. I'm still concerned about Strannad cutting into Josie Jules' snaps.

That certainly could still be a thing. So I'm not drafting Josie Jules. and I'm going to be watching waiver wires for Justin Strannad over the first couple of weeks. What it really kind of does is help solidify that AJ Johnson is the linebacker you want to own there in Denver. Staying in line with the quick hits and linebackers, the Jets, Hamza, Nasrildeen, and Jamie and Sherwood both started. And they both took 25 snaps for the Jets first team defense. Nasrildeen had two solos and an assist with one of those. Solo's being a tackle for a loss, while Sherwood posted four total tackles, one solo and three assists.

Sherwood played mostly inside and Nasrille being played outside. Well, Thomas, right about now is a good time to remind you to come prop up on Thrive Fantasy this football season. Thrive Fantasy is a daily fantasy sports app and e-sports app for player props. With Thrive, you can eliminate countless hours of research and focus on only the top-tier athletes that have the biggest impact on the game. Choose 10 out of the 20 available player props to build your lineup. Each prop is assigned a fantasy value for both the over and the under based on how likely it is to hit. Hit the most props and rack up the most points to win a share of the prize pool. Thrive has over $140,000 guaranteed in prize money for NFL's week one and is already awarded over $4 million.

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Well, there's quite a few injuries that we're going to find out about, especially when the final cutdowns happened. Because then you'll see players that go on IR or the PUP list. And you're like, what? What happened there? Because there's a lot of injuries that took place on Sunday that we don't know about. yet. But we can hit some of these injuries that we're very well aware of. And the first place we'll go to is the poor Jets defensive line. Vinnie Curry, defensive end, was announced that he had a blood disorder and it will force him to miss the entire season. So we talked about how we'd revisit Shaq

Lawson. Well, now you can see why they went after Shaq Lawson because not only did they lose Carl Lawson, but now they've lost Vinny Curry as well. So we had mentioned that Bryce Huff was taking a lot of the time and that they're bringing in Shack Lawson. Well, it looks like that Huff could maintain the snap counts that we were thinking he would in the loss of Carl Lossom because now they've lost two defensive ends. So we'll go ahead and move on to Dallas and their rookie cornerback, Kelvin Joseph, suffered a groin injury. Now, the extent of this injury is currently unknown.

There is a chance that he could miss opening day, but we'll have to wait and see. Trey Wayne's cornerback is day-to-day with a hamstring injury. Going back to Dallas, Donovan Wilson didn't play this past weekend due to a groin injury, but he should be ready for the season opener. Nicholas Morrow is likely out for the regular season start, and that's evidence in the trade for Denzel Perryman. And Perryman's banged up, too. So that linebacker situation in Las Vegas is really, really muddy right now.

And finally, two linebackers on Minnesota, Troy Dye and Rookie Chaz Sarat, both left the game, die with a leg injury and Sarat with a neck injury. The extent of these injuries are not known. They're both back-up linebackers, but if they are out and miss any extended period of time, that leaves Minnesota very, very thin at linebacker. Now, Thomas, last week you asked me, what is Monkey Knife Fight? and I'm pretty sure you didn't hear me, so I'm going to repeat that again for you.

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So head to www.munkyknifeight.com and download the app on the App Store or Play Store. You can also find out more information on the Fantasy Points homepage. Now, we're going to turn our ebbfeight. attention to some of our favorite folks out there, which is our Discord app. If you are not a premium fantasy point subscriber, you're missing out on a great opportunity. We have a Discord board that puts you in direct contact with not only myself and Thomas for any IDP related questions, which comes in handy if you play 90% of your leagues are non-IDP, and then you've got a draft. We have a couple of guys right now who are in the middle of drafts, and they don't follow IDP.

they have a couple of teams where they play IDP and they don't want to have to spend the time figuring out which of these 30 linebackers is the guy to take. Well, they'll reach out to us directly through Discord. Say, hey, I'm drafting tomorrow. You know, here's my scoring and then we can help them directly. Now, that's just the IDP version of it. The other channels, you know, get you in touch with John Hanson and Graham Barfield and Scott Barrett and Joe Dolan and Tom Browley. You talk about betting. You talk about trading cards, you name it.

So it's one of my favorite parts about the Fantasy Points site is getting a real chance to just one-on-one connect with our Discord members. So what we started to do is ask them to ask us questions so that we can kind of deliver them here and address them. So we're going to start with one of our users, Stop at Yellow. He asked us earlier, how do we feel about Alibu? Alex Highsmith this year, the edge rusher for Pittsburgh. Is he a potential impact IDP? Thomas, I want to get your thoughts on that. Well, for 2021, I'd have to say no to him being an impact player.

And let's preface this by saying he headed into camp, training camp with many pundits and experts, thinking that he's going to have a really big sophomore season. He may start games, but you have to ask yourself, why did the team go out and sign Melvin Ingram the third? to a $4 million one-year contract if they're really, really happy with Highsmith. So I'm looking at the situation with Ingram, and then they also have Notre Dame outside linebacker Jemir Jones, who went undrafted, signed with Houston last year, and now is with Pittsburgh. They have a lot of bodies there, and for them to have that many bodies, you can't really

expect Highsmith to be a three-down linebacker. And that's a huge gauge when you're asking if a player is going to be. an impact IDP. Now, Highsmith has a lot more potential in high-end in big play scoring leagues. And that's something to consider if you're in a dynasty keeper leagues. But he's more of a cover linebacker too, because you've got T.J. Watt on the other side who's going to be racking up the higher number of sacks. So Highsmith, being an impact player in 2021, I don't think so. Unless injuries happen, you never know. But if there are injuries, then yeah, then he has the potential to be a high-impact player.

But I wouldn't gamble on him being it right now at this point in time. Yeah, and I have to agree. But, and you alluded to this as well, Thomas, as a dynasty pick, I'm actually pretty happy with him. Or even for a late round stash. And it's not his talent that we're concerned about. It's what Thomas said. It's the signing of Melvin Ingram, who still has legs underneath them. The path to playing every down, which is, you know, we've talked before about this.

You know, there's a handful of defensive linemen who play 90% of their snaps. And, you know, being an edge rusher is, you know, it's like a poker player with a great starting hand. You just have to, you know, it's going to hit. But the randomness at which it hits requires that you play it over and over and over again to be successful. It's the same thing with edge rushers. You need them to get a ton of snaps because there are so many factors that have to work out for them to get a sack that if he only sees, you know, 30 snaps a game, his chances are limited. But if Ingram sits or if Ingram wears down or if Ingram gets hurt, you know, he, he, he, he, he's the older player, then High Smith's chances do increase exponentially. And there's a

couple of big things here. One, any edge rusher playing across from T.J. Watt will have clean looks. I don't care who you are. If you're playing across from T.J. Watt, teams are just not going to double or triple even remotely you. So we saw that last year with Bud Dupree. So High Smith, if he can gain more snaps, has that great opportunity. The other thing is he did have a really good training camp in preseason. In preseason, he played 61 snaps. 20 of those were, sorry, 40 of those were pass rushes, and he had seven total pressures during that time.

So pretty solid numbers. That's not Hall of Fameworthy, but he definitely has potential there. It's just the signing of Ingram muddies the waters a little bit for him to be a high-impact player. I would say no to high impact, but late round stash, I'd have to, I'd have to say he's a, you know, he's, he's a pretty good shot. Uh, just got to get through Ingram. Yeah. And, you know, with speaking of Ingram, you have him as if he was 2019 Ingram, well, yeah,

he probably starts over Highsmith. But if he's 2022 or excuse me, 2020 Ingram, well, he went, he landed on IR twice last year. And once with a knee injury at the end, which sealed his fate because you can't come off of IR twice once you go on the second time you're done. So, but they signed him for $4 million, which is a clear indication. They feel he has a lot left in his tank. So I'm, again, we go back to the whole situation of, of, with Ingram there. And if he's going to be healthy, then Highsmith may be sharing time.

We had another question on Discord that we want to get to. And this comes from Kino, aka Mr. Dominator, one of our, one of our favorite. Discord members. He's asking about rookie cornerbacks. Who are some rookie cornerbacks that we like? What are our thoughts on Tala Noah Hu Funga? And are there any defensive tackles or defensive end sleepers over there in San Francisco? And that's, that last one's a good question because, you know, this was a stacked line a couple of years ago. But through free agency and trades, et cetera, that line is thinned out. So who's kind of the next wave coming? Thomas, you want to start us off? Yeah, I'll start off with Tala Noah Hufanga. The 49ers Jimmy Ward sat this last preseason game, and Hufanga started next to Jukwiski Tart. Now, the initial thoughts are that Ward is going to start over Hufanga, and Hufanga will share snaps with Haha Clinton Dix.

But we haven't seen much of Clinton Dix this preseason. and there's a possibility that he could get cut in the final cutdown. And if that happens, then Hufanga's stock rises dramatically. And there's a good chance that if Ward is unable to overcome the injury bug that has been plaguing him his career so far, then Hufanga could step into a starting role and could, especially with Tart having an injury history too, Hufanga could become the primary safety for the 49ers. So there is high-end potential there, but there's also the possibility that he could start as a third safety or maybe even share the third safety with Clinton Dix.

Now, if you go to the sleeper, quote-unquote, aspect of the 49ers DL situation, I really don't see a sleeper, sort of speak here. Maybe Javon Kinlaw, but people know enough about Kinala from last year to negate that sleeper tag. So, yes, you have Eric Armstead. Armstead is underachieved. DJ Jones has been trying to overcome an injury bug. We all know about Nick Bosa. We know that Bosa has a potential to be a sackmaster, but he also is overcoming an injury.

They've got Samson Ibucombe, who came from the Rams, who probably, you know, when the Rams, he played a linebacker spot here with the 49ers. He'll be a defensive end. You know, D. Ford is long in the tooth and has an injury history himself lately, so he's kind of not really a sleeper opportunity. Contevis Street and Kevin Givens are also backups with, I think another sleeper here might be Maurice Hurst, but he got hurt, so there's a possibility that he could start the season on one of the injured lists or PUP lists.

Now, go ahead. Oh, no, I was just going to set you up for the cornerbacks because we've got, I think, you know, I talked a little bit about this. When it comes to the rookie cornerbacks, these guys can be tricky. The real formula, you hear this term all the time, rookie corner, oh, the rookie corner rule, this is going to be great for fantasy. That is true. However, it's a pretty limited set that creates that explosive Ricky corner.

rookie cornerback. And it's A, he's usually drafted in the top, in the first round, um, late, I'm sorry, early second round max. So it has to be a very high draft pick. They also have to have a clear path, um, or essentially they have to play about at least a thousand snaps. Um, and that's harder than it seems we've seen a lot of rookie cornerbacks over the last couple years, um, struggle to, to make an impact early on in the season. So, um, you can't just pick any rookie cornerback, you have to have, you really have to have them most likely. And this is, this is just what the numbers say. This is over the last, you know, several years, if you track which of these rookie cornerbacks actually become fantasy irrelevant and likely

stay fantasy relevant, it's pretty much, it's got to be in that window or it's almost impossible for it to happen. So, I think what we're going to do here is, is Thomas is going to list off some of the players who fit into that category. And then I'm going to, I'll pick a few, like, deep, deep, sleepers. These are not people that you should draft. Do not draft them. However, unless you're in a dynasty league and you start several cornerbacks and you just want a couple, you have a last round pick. I'll throw a couple of names out there. But really, these are people to be watching on the waiver wire for. But Thomas, let's start with the big dogs first. Well, I mean, coming out of the draft, there was a couple of players that were touted as being high-end cornerbacks. And one of them was Patrick

Sartan from who Denver drafted. The problem with Sartan right now is that Denver has two starting cornerbacks in Kyle Fuller and Ronald Darby. So with Ron Darby and Fuller being the starter, Soutan is going to be battling Bryce Harper for playing time as the nickelback and obviously would be in dime packages. But there's the, he still has to overcome Callahan who has injury history. So there's a good chance that Sartan could be on the field. And when he gets on the field, he'll be, you know, targeted frequently because he's a rookie. And the teams are going to check him out early on to see what he's made of. Another corner that is coming in that's a rookie who likely starts is J.C. Horn.

Now, Horn is Joe Horn's son and obviously has NFL blood in him. Now, the key with Horn is that he's probably going to start, in the beginning, because A.J. Bowie is going to be on suspension to start the season. And Horn comes in with a chip on his shoulder because he was drafted late and a lot of teams passed on him and he took that to heart. So Horn's going to play with an attitude. And these two could have impacts in their first season. Now, Mr. Dominator did ask about Eli Molden, Elijah Molden. Molden and Caleb Farley are. two Titan rookies who could see the field as well in 2021, but they're currently deep on the

depth chart. We don't know their status until the Titans actually make their final cuts, and we actually see their depth chart and whether or not these two make it. The Titans will roll out Jack Rabbit Jenkins and Christian Fulton, a recent early pick for them as starters, and Farley and Molden are most likely going to be battling for the nickel cornerback spot with Dane Crushank and Brian Borders. And I'm going to piggyback on that just for some of these deeper players. And they're often going to see their roles start in the slot and hopefully then expand from there.

Two potential players, although one of these players actually might end up starting outside. This has kind of been an interesting development. And that's in New Orleans. Paulson Adebo there for New Orleans has been. climbing up those ranks pretty quickly. He's somebody that we like, as well as our own Wes Huber, who's our Devy and college football expert and knows a hell of a lot about defense. We all have kind of our eye on Paulson being somebody to move up the ranks for the Saints. They had Patrick Robinson, who was one of his main competitions for that cornerback,

outside cornerback job across from Marshawn Lattimore. That was Patrick Robinson, but Patrick Robinson retired. They did bring in a veteran Prince Amucamora, but I'm pretty sure that's just for a veteran presence. So there's a chance, there'll be, you know, there's a little competition there for Prince Amukamora, Grant Haley, and Paulson,

but there's a pretty good chance that Paulson will end up playing meaningful snaps. So either grab him with your very last pick or leave him on the waiver wire. and let's see what the Saints roll out week one. If Paulson Adebo is out there for every snap on the outside, which is far from guaranteed, that could be somebody who is a sleeper pick that could come in handy. Another one is Tyson Campbell, the rookie out of Jacksonville. Their secondary is a work in progress. They're trying to piece some stuff together.

As it's looking like now, there's a chance that Campbell will come in in nickel packages. And remember that nowadays, nickel packages are the predominant setup. So I think it's still going to be, you know, Shack Griffin on one side. Then they've got C.J. Henderson, Trey Herndon on the other. But Tyson is building up a rep there and could start seeing if they play a ton of slot and Tyson Campbell is that guy, he will likely get picked on. And that's the type of late round or week two or week three pickup. off the waiver wire where all of a sudden, you know, you read Campbell had six tackles one game

and eight tackles an X and, and that's exactly why. But for redraft, these are guys I'm avoiding. This is either Deep Dynasty or these are the players I've got checkmarked as to let's look at what they're going to do over the first couple of weeks of the season. And I'll roll out two more that fit the same bill that you just mentioned about Deep Dynasty only type players. Greg Newsom on Chicago, excuse me, on Cleveland is another guy who, could see time in the nickel position, but it all depends on whether or not starter Greedy Williams can overcome his injuries that he's been plagued him so far in his short career because he has obviously Denzo Ward at one starting spot and

Troy Hill is the nickel back currently with Greedy Williams starting. Hill could slide into Williams' starting role and Newsom could take over the nickel spot if Williams is not ready to start the season. But that's a risky move on Newsom because of the fact that he's most likely a dime if everybody's healthy. And the other player I would mention is on Seattle, Trey Brown. He doesn't fit the mole that the Seahawks love, which is long, lanky, tall cornerbacks. He's only 5'10, but the kid can hit. And he also is a good cover corner.

He has closing speed that the Seahawks love. The problem right now is that he's a little bit dinged up with a tissue injury. So Brown has been somewhat inactive this summer, so his progression has been slow. If he's healthy and he's playing well, then he could be the nickel cornerback over Trey Flowers. All right, that's going to wrap it up for us, our preseason action for the IDP corner over at Fantasy.

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