Fantasy Football Daily - 2021 Staff Pow-Wow: AFC South

Episode Date: June 4, 2021

John Hansen and the Fantasy Points staff break down the NFC South on the 2021 Virtual Pow-Wow livestream series. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-po...dcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:07 It's time for the Fantasy Points podcast, brought to you by FantasyPoints.com. Top-level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Only two divisions left to go in our 2021 virtual powwow series here at FantasyPoint.com. My name is Joe Dolan, and I hope everybody's been enjoying this virtual powwow series with Mr. Adam Kaplan. and Mr. Greg CoSell as we break down each and every team by division in the NFL for the 2021 season. Today's podcast is the AFC South now. There's a little bit of problems with Houston.
Starting point is 00:00:56 We spent a little bit too much time talking about a team that's not going to be very good, but there should be some interesting teams in this division. Can Carson Wentz rebound? What will Trevor Lawrence and Urban Myers offense look like in Jacksonville? Can Tennessee still continue to run the power run game? the way Tennessee does in a modern NFL that kind of dissuades teams from doing so. It's going to be a very interesting division, and I hope you guys enjoy listening to the breakdown of the 2021, AFC South.
Starting point is 00:01:25 What is up, everyone? Welcome to the fourth and final installment here of the 2021 FantasyPoint.com virtual powell. I'm John Hanson. We have Adam Kaplan, Greg Kosell, in the Zoom room, in the chat room here, Graham Barfield and Joe Dolan as well. We need to barrel through two more divisions, and that's a wrap. That's all 32 teams.
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Starting point is 00:02:46 Without any further ado, let's get into it here as we cover the AFC South. I'm not going to ask how everyone is doing. I'm assuming they're doing well. I know they're doing well. So I'm not going to waste that time. Let's go to Houston and break this down here as David Cully is in a fucking, in a pretty unenviable situation here with this Houston Texan team. Adam, I'll start with you. They signed Rex Burkhead. And now you look at the roster. And have you seen a sadder roster in your 20-plus years?
Starting point is 00:03:20 Yeah, there's a combination of washed-up players, guys coming back from injury, Burkhead, ACL reconstruction. Lindsay, who's been on the downward flight a little bit. Ingram, I don't know what he has left. And David Johnson, who will be the lead back. So I expect to be a committee. Johnson will be the lead back. Tim Kelly's back as the OC.
Starting point is 00:03:38 That was something to placate. Watson, but you know where that stands. And we'll kind of look at Cully. And the good thing about David Cullio is not that the receivers need coaching, because they've got Cobb and cooks are veterans, but guys like Nico Collins, QT, and Coulter, David Culley's, for many years, was one of the better receivers coaches the National Football League. So that actually could have an impact on that group.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Can this group be competitive? And Greg, you can look at the other side of the ball, too, and a lot of problems here, a lot of problem. I see Bradley Robey, and I'm sure I'm missing someone, but no one else really jumps out defensively here. Greg, you have a pretty good feel for this roster. Is this a non-competitive roster? You know, I don't think so. I'm a little confused here, guys.
Starting point is 00:04:27 I think they have a pretty good quarterback. I think they actually have a pretty deep running back group. Maybe they don't have a star, but I think it's a pretty deep group. I think the receiving core has some quality. It's not high level, but they don't have four stiffs. The O-line has improved over the last couple of years as guys have gotten more experience, guys like Max Sharping, guys like Titus Howard, who were first and second round picks in 2019. Defensively, do they have a star?
Starting point is 00:05:02 No. No. But I think they've got a few quality players. I mean, I don't think, I don't look at this roster and go, oh, my God, this team's going to be lucky to win a game. Obviously, because of Deshaun Watson being in the news for other things and his so-called demands, of course, he has zero leverage unless he doesn't want to play the season. But I think offensively, they'll probably be okay. Well, Greg, I would kind of that by saying Watson played an MVP level last year and they won four games. So if we're looking at Tyrod Taylor, he is not going to come remotely close to
Starting point is 00:05:39 Elevating others around him. Well, no, question. I'm talking about Watson plays. Yeah. Oh, no, no. I'm assuming Watson's out, like for now. One way or the other. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Right. So you're assuming he won't be the quarterback? Yeah. I'm assuming he's going to miss minimum at him. Is it fair to say minimum half the year? Well, see, the thing is you say we don't, we, there's so many ways it could go. I'm not even going to guess. I'm just assuming he won't be the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:06:03 quarterback. Right. It's another discussion for another time. Let's move on and just for now he won't be the quarterback. Well, obviously that changes things dramatically. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry about that. My bad there. I didn't make that assumption clear. I guess, you know, what we look to do is look at, okay, who's going to maybe take advantage of this poor roster. I mean, they've got a lot of receivers here who've played, but as a group, it's extremely underwhelming. So Greg, a guy like Nico Collins, at a Michigan. Didn't have a distinguished career, I don't think, but, you know, the quarterback play there wasn't very good. But he is big and physical and passes that eyeball test. What do you think of
Starting point is 00:06:42 Nicco Collins? No, well, let me just ask you this question. Are we going to make this the assumption here that Tyrod Taylor is the quarterback? For the sake of discussion. Do you want to go that one? So if we make that discussion, the offense is totally different. The offense will have elements of a Ravens offense. You'll have run game elements. Receivers will not be a huge factor. in terms of volume. Nico Collins is a long, athletic, fast, wide receiver prospect. He's a prospect. He's not necessarily going to be a big-time player this year,
Starting point is 00:07:15 and he certainly wouldn't be in terms of volume if Tyrod Taylor was the quarterback, John. Yeah, no doubt. And look, I hated David Johnson last year. It wasn't bad. I know, Greg, you kind of held down to your position that, you know, he was going to be fine. I mean, you well, yeah, you can't compare him to the year he had an hour. Arizona. Oh, yeah. I mean, again, he got hurt, so he did not play 16 games. But I thought that, given, you know, what the number of games he played, I thought he was an effective player.
Starting point is 00:07:45 But if we're talking Taylor, I think you'll have a backfield that includes Johnson, Ingram, Burkhead, I'll probably get meaningful snaps. Lindsay's not a bad player. They've got backs. They've got four NFL backs on the roster in Johnson, Ingram, Lindsay, and Burkhead. Of course, Johnson, a year older. Ingram is over 30. Lindsay was discarded by the Broncos. Burkhead is a walking injury report. Adam, make hedge or tails of the receiving core. You know, cooks is your one. I mean, they list Andre Roberts as a start. You have to ignore our lads when you do that. Our lads does, has no idea. Andre Roberts, if he does anything but return, I'd be shocked. because when Nick Casario was with the Patriots,
Starting point is 00:08:32 they made a significant offer for Roberts to be of the return, just so you know. He's not there to catch passes. I mean, they got a million slot receivers, basically, too. But again, it's, Andre Roberts won't be a receiver barring anything unforeseen. It's cooks, it's Cobb, as you said. It's after that, it's QT, who's two, every once in a while, does something. Chris Connolly.
Starting point is 00:08:51 They have Chris Connolly, who was not a bad player. Yeah, good backup receiver. Bad hands, bad hands. Right, right. Alex Erickson. and yeah, it's a mismatch of receivers, a group. It's not a terrible group. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:04 It's okay. It's just average. It's just average. John, the problem is, is the volume situation. And I don't envy you. If you're assuming in your projections that Watson is not the quarterback and it's Tyrod Taylor, then that to me that would change everything. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Well, for me, I'm assuming that they don't exist, that there's 31 teams in a league here. I'll ask Graham first Graham Anyone here interest you for fantasy I think you'd probably default to cooks But his ADP is you know He's not dirt cheap Yeah probably cooks 30 deeds are done jerk cheap
Starting point is 00:09:42 I got that one Yeah probably honestly just probably cooks I mean he's going ninthish round Which is fine it's just you know The whole Watson situation is looming over The heads here and you know For better or worse the Texans are going to probably be in a lot of games where they're trailing. So that'll help the pass rate. But I think,
Starting point is 00:10:01 you know, I think Greg nailed it. They're going to be a run-based team with Tyrod back there. If you do draft a Texan, it will be a dirty deed. So hopefully it is done dirt cheap because you don't want to pay a tax for any of these players, Joe. Anybody in the backfield interest you? I mean, I've done like a best ball 10 where I took David Johnson in like the 11th round just because like, hey, he's a fourth running back and I think he'll get touches. But, The problem with Philip Lindsay is he doesn't catch passes. He's never done that. So he's now in this back.
Starting point is 00:10:33 By the way, they have Mark Ingram, who, yeah, Rexpert. It's old. It's, there's just a lot of pieces here. And it's just, again, like they're signing guys to one-year contracts. They obviously need to build up draft capital because of what the trades have done to them. So I don't think they're expecting to be very competitive this year. And that leads me to a question I have for Greg. and I know we can go back and look at his scouting report in the fantasy points draft guide.
Starting point is 00:11:01 You're going to ask me about Davis Mills? I'm going to ask you about Davis Mills because if Sean Watson doesn't play this year, Mills is probably going to get a shot at some point. Greg, I remember you saying in the draft guide, and I also want to throw out, you don't make this personal, but you thought Davis Mills made a mistake coming out of college. I did, although I think he's got talent, but I thought he should not have come out. And in fact, I know the coaching, a few people on the coaching staff there at Stanford, they were truly surprised because they really thought that this kid with another year could become a really, really good player. Because this kid's got talent. He was the number one pro style quarterback coming out of Atlanta when he came out.
Starting point is 00:11:42 And, you know, he does have traits. He's a pocket quarterback. He's got a plus arm. He's a little mechanical. He can't. move a bit. He's got enough functional movement to make a play outside of structure here and there. The things he really needed to work on and refine are the things pocket quarterbacks need to do. He was not as precise with his ball location as he needed to be. He was not as strong in his progression reading. And I had this conversation with a coach on the Stanford staff. But the traits are there. The question is, if Watson is truly not going to be their quarterback, when do they feel that Davis Mills can play because the last thing you want to do with them, and Graham made this
Starting point is 00:12:28 point is if they're in games where the quarterback has to drop back by choice 40, 45 times, I don't think you really want to put Davis Mills out there. Don't necessarily want to put Tyrod out there in that environment either. Yeah, but at least he's played in the NFL, John. I mean, we know what he is. Everybody knows what he is. Davis Mills is not a playmaking quarterback. So when you ask a quarterback to drop back 40, 45 times, and he really has to refine his pocket skills without really a second reaction dimension.
Starting point is 00:12:59 That's a little problematic. And then, well, it's funny, Jeff Driscoll has second reaction ability, but that's about it's about all he has. Yeah, exactly. He doesn't have first reaction ability. Yeah, he's just, he's a runaround quarterback and we don't want to see him. We've seen that before. So look, there are a team that's in transition.
Starting point is 00:13:17 You know, they, I don't know if this is a record, but they've added over 30 flyers this offseason that were not drafted. either through trade or through free agency. That's just not the way to build a football team. There's some talent, but get it all together, John, it's going to be hard. You got a new, you got a new defensive scheme under Levy Smith,
Starting point is 00:13:35 completely different from what they were doing before. So look, I'm not expecting to be very good, but there's some players there. They have a new coach staff and, you know, for fantasy. Greg's right. The positives are they have a really good offensive line. Justin Britt is a good center. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:52 No, their all line has improved. I mean, this is not being dead a lot. Marcus Cannon. Yeah, their line won't be a problem. Greg is right. What the, what the Chargers were going to do last year, if Tyrod was going to be the guy before the freak injury, is that they were reining that offense in.
Starting point is 00:14:12 It was going to be tie rod option, a lot of running. So I think Greg's on to something with their offense. That's what they're going to do. Yeah, I expect it to happen. And the other point is really. good. Forget their, forget their targets of the receivers. It'll be ugly. Good luck trying to figure that out. Well, in my opinion, I'm most interested. Let's assume again, Watson is not in the mix. To me, it's a developmental team and year. So I want to see Davis Mills. Ideally, he doesn't play
Starting point is 00:14:42 until like maybe late, late in the year and you see some things. Nico Collins, give us some hope for the future. Greg thinks he, you know, big athletic guy. Looks like Tarzan. I don't know if maybe play. He can play. No, no. Nico Collins, one of the receivers coaches I talked before the draft loved him, said, you know, obviously not playing last year, didn't help him, but love the size.
Starting point is 00:15:05 And they pre-draft testing this team did. He did very well. He's a size speed profile guy. Yeah. He's got, for Dynasty leagues, John, he's got some real value for the future, not this year, obviously, but for the future. And then for Evan Jordan. The Texans also gave up a ton to get Collins.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Did they trade up to get him? Yeah, they trade. Yeah, they traded up to get Collins. They gave up like a fourth last year or fourth this year and a fourth next year. Obviously, this is a team that needs direct. They had no picks. They know picks. So they obviously love them.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Nico Collins, I would think would project best maybe down the road is an outside ex-receiver. Put that guy out there on an island. Probably. Probably. He's got the length of size. Yes. Yeah. How about Brevin Jordan?
Starting point is 00:15:49 I love his tape. I heard from people. that he interviewed really, really badly and people thought he was kind of a jerk that I heard from people. That's not my opinion. I never talk about that. I'm just telling you because his talent's better than a fifth round pick. He's actually a very gifted tight end. He's not Kyle Pitts. No one is, but he can move around. He's got athletic ability. He's a monster run after catch. His talent is better than that. So it'll be very interesting. He's another down the road guy, John. and Isaiah Coulter, Adam, I know there was some optimism about him, but man, they didn't use them last year at all.
Starting point is 00:16:26 That's a bad sign. He had some refinement to make as what. Small school kid, Rhode Island. Right. Yeah, he had a long way to go, long way to go. QT is a guy that, you know, every once in a while, you go, wow, what a game he had. Then he drifts, but he's got some ability. And he's on the final of his rookie deal.
Starting point is 00:16:44 So he's got, the thing is, like, as a group, it's not terrible. It's pretty average. But just before we move on to the Colts, they're going to be, they'll be in some games. Now, assuming that it's Tyrod Taylor, this is a low octane pass game, John.
Starting point is 00:17:03 That's unfortunate. I mean, again, they won four games last year with Deshawn Watson at an MVP level and Will Fuller. Yeah. And now.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Right. Right. Fair point. I mean, Cox is so inconsistent. Brandon Cooks is talent as he is. He's just very inconsistent. He was pretty good last year.
Starting point is 00:17:19 though. I mean. Well, that, yeah, but John, 35% of his numbers, he got in two games late in the season. Hey, look, I was the biggest Brandon Cook's fan there was. I know. It was incredible what he did. I kind of bailed on the guy, but the bottom line, he's actually held hold it down pretty well the last couple of years.
Starting point is 00:17:36 All right. Let's move on because this is, I mean, this is not worth talking about this team for 20 minutes. It's not. The Colts, as we move on here with Reich and Carson Wentz. and all that. Early vibes are pretty good. We don't have a ton to really break down because Ty Y. Pittman, Paris Campbell,
Starting point is 00:18:00 Zach Rascal, aka Zach Pascall. I think Campbell's the wild card here. He's got a lot of talent. And he just hasn't played yet. You know, talk about it. Is he slot only? I mean, I don't think his traits indicate that. I can't speak to what they have in mind.
Starting point is 00:18:19 we know that Hilton can move all around. Pitman played all over last year. I think that they move receivers around, John. I would not say he's slot only. Okay. Well, that's good run. He's really good run after catch. He's got a lot of traits.
Starting point is 00:18:35 He's just been injured. Size, too. He's pretty big kid. I remember him being close to 6-2, probably 205-ish. He's a pretty good-sized kid. I interviewed him at the Combine. He was, I know I'm 6-2. He was the same size as I was.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Adam, do you think Eric Fisher will hold it down their left tackle? Can we count on him in September? No, that's why they have Sam Tevi, who formally started left tackle. They're hopeful, but they won't know until they get there. He tours Achilles, so it's, yeah, it'll be in the neighborhood of nine months by September since the surgery. I mean, it'll be close. They'll see, but they've got insurance policy. Greg, didn't you tell us that you liked Tevi before, if I'm not mistaken?
Starting point is 00:19:15 No, Terry was not a guy I love. Who was the other, what was it the other church, the other charger tackle that you liked, I thought. The other charger tackle. Who was the guy last year? I thought you, Pipkins. Do you like Pipkins? No, I didn't. I'd never talked about him.
Starting point is 00:19:27 All right. I thought there was someone the church. All right. I mean, he was, he started. I know he did. I know he did. Well, the one thing that kind of stands out to me, and I don't know if anybody wants to chime in, but they do like to spread the ball around.
Starting point is 00:19:40 So I don't know if we'll have a true go-to guy. I think initially they would certainly want to lean. on Hilton, his veteran experience. Michael Pittman is still ascending. Now you have Paris Campbell presumably healthy and well in the mix. I mean, he was very active week one. So, I mean, I think it all comes down to the intriguing guys actually Wentz, in my opinion. I mean, I think Hilton will be decent.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Pitman is a breakout candidate. Well, the question is, John, though, here's the question with Carson once. He locks in to us, we know that Ertz was his favorite target for years. now this is a new team we don't know who will lock into it assuming he'll still do that he might we don't know he has to be rebuilt so there's a lot of mystery here theoretically hilton's the possession guy that we know it could run and pitman as greg said you can move him around paris camel complain inside or outside it's hard it's hard to say what who's going to be the top target i think it's actually impossible to be honest with you yeah watch it be jack doyle uh that would be shocked
Starting point is 00:20:41 yeah yeah because he's a tight end yeah yeah i get but as you if you're Frank Reich as you're looking to get Carson Wentz right back on track. I mean, what approach do you take? Do you come out early in the season and settle them down and run the ball? I mean, they want balance. They want to run it anyway. But if you're Frank Reich, how do you get Carson Wentz comfortable immediately? I love the environment.
Starting point is 00:21:06 That's the offseason, John. That's not week one. I mean, Adams right. Wins has to be rebuilt. That's an offseason project. Right. Do I believe they're going to run the ball? Yes, of course. So they're going to be a team, I think, that starts with the run game and works off that. Taylor, the last six, seven games last year was a true feature back. They've got a pretty deep running back group. They've got Taylor, they got Heinz. They still have Marlon Mack. Even Jordan Wilkins has played a bit. I mean, they've got a deep group. This is not going to be a toss-it-all-around team, especially early in the season. Yeah. But when you pop in the tape and, you know, they lose Siriani. My recollection of the Colts and their receivers last year and maybe even back is guys get open.
Starting point is 00:21:55 Guys are open. Well, that scheme. That scheme. Yeah. Pitman got open. Hilton, I thought, was open. Yeah. So assuming they're open, you know, it shouldn't be that complicated, you know, call the play, guys open.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Carson, pull the trigger and throw. I know it's easy. That was one of the issues Wence has had. I know. That's why he has to be a adult and that's an off-season project. So, John, here's what some teams told me who graded Wence, who were actually interested in trading for him. Their opinion, and these two teams agreed with each other basically on several things, they thought Wence was conflicted. He, A, wanted to do his own thing.
Starting point is 00:22:33 He also wanted, he took what the coaches would take, would give him. And he couldn't process. He just was, he broke down mentally. He could see by his feet. Everything was screwed up. and he's got to get a clear mind. If he doesn't have a clear mind, he'll be an absolute dismal failure. If he could clear his mind and do what the coaches want,
Starting point is 00:22:50 the thing that was very apparent, he could still swing it. He still got the arm strength, but everything else is off. Greg, back to you, though. What if you had to give one reason why that happened to Carson, what would it be? I would say because he looked and no one was open. Well, it's a little strong. Or guys weren't open consistently. That's a little strong.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Were they open consistently? I mean, I think the breakdown was with Wence, not with what you're talking about. Right. I think Wence, I think Wence mentally just somewhere along the line lost it. And he's a very smart guy. I mean, you know, I was told by Josh McCown, who I know and has been in the league a long time, that Wince is the smartest quarterback he's ever been around. Wow.
Starting point is 00:23:42 I think he lost it. I think something just didn't click for him. Yeah. And that plays in, John, and trying to do too much and not get rid of the football. He's, we all know that he held on the ball
Starting point is 00:23:54 at times way too long, and that's part of it is because he's trying to make the play which you're talking about. He doesn't check down his history of doing that. He used to get away with it because he was such a high level thrower.
Starting point is 00:24:04 And a processor, by the way, when he was on in 16 and 17, but you also have to look at, Reich left and DiPhilippo left. then he started trying to do his own thing because that crap wasn't happening when those guys were there particularly the quarterback coach you notice how everything changed after those guys left right right to me it's a chicken or the egg thing you guys seem to be leaning placing more of the blame on carson which well that is where the blame is yeah sure i mean look if you watch the tape john and adam talks
Starting point is 00:24:32 to people then i've talked to some that's where the blame is you know i mean ultimately it is no matter what i guess got to be you're trying to think what you're trying to do which is your job john is think how this plays out from a fantasy perspective, and that's impossible to know because we don't know where Wince will be. I'm trying to understand what caused him to unravel, basically, mentally.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Trying to do his own thing. I would think, I would say, bad O'Line, because it's been really banged up the last couple years. Yeah, injured. Yeah. A couple that with poor play calling design
Starting point is 00:25:06 and guys not being open, now all of a sudden anything could happen. Or maybe because I watch too much criminal minds, maybe he had a psychotic break. Could be. It's all fair. Now, the hope is that he's very close to Frank Wright, guys like a big brother to him. The hope is that Reich rebuilds his confidence.
Starting point is 00:25:27 He's out of Philly where he thought it was a negative environment. And Marcus Brady, who's the OC, is apparently very gifted coach. And Scott Milinovich, who was with Jacksonville, some other teams, also in the CFL. I mean, the hope is they'll be able to rebuild him. and could he be what he once was in 17. He's a very talented guy. I don't know if he could get to 17, but he might be able to get close to know.
Starting point is 00:25:48 What would that mean if he gets close, John? It could mean 30 plus touchdowns. That's the upside. He could get to a game. He really could. Yeah, he could. The great thing, the best thing that I heard about him last season is arm's strength
Starting point is 00:25:59 has not been lost at all. Right. Everything else is. And I watched him yesterday and I saw that myself. I'm like, yeah, he's still physically. So I go back to like the old, remember when Doug Flutty finally got an opportunity and they said, how'd you do it?
Starting point is 00:26:13 He's like, I don't know. We went in a huddle. I called a play. A guy was open. I threw it. And then we went and we got a fur. And like he oversimplifies it. But maybe I'm doing that with Carson.
Starting point is 00:26:25 There's a lot just so we can move on. There's a lot for him. There's a lot against him because even when he, even if he does take the coaching, there becomes a point where sometimes he wants to do his own thing. I'm not saying it's Ryan Fitzpatrick, that type of guy who wants to do his own thing. But he has a history, unless he's coached hard,
Starting point is 00:26:40 he wants to do what he wants. Well, and guys in the backfield, I mean, Jonathan Taylor was incredible in the second half of the season. Nothing but, you know, positivity. It'll be more run-based, by the way. They're not good.
Starting point is 00:26:54 This is not, Frank Wright does not believe what Doug Peterson believes in terms of throwing the ball a lot. That's not what he believes. And you're right, when you said earlier, they're going to be balanced.
Starting point is 00:27:02 The personnel will tell you that. They surprisingly brought back Marlon McWell, they didn't need to. Heinz is the change-up, third down. Taylor is a power back. George Wilkins, for goodness sake, is still there. So you know it's going to go through the run game.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Right. And Graham, I think you have a little bit of an issue with Jonathan Taylor because of the presence of Neheme Hines. Of course, Heinz is probably screwed too since Carson Wentz is not really much of a checkdown guy. But my opinion is if Taylor can get me 34, 37 grabs again, I feel like that's enough because he's going to probably push for, you know, 300 carries. I mean, you know, especially in 17 games. Yeah, this is kind of like the Nick Chubb argument all over again, you know, we have a back who's extremely, extremely talented. I mean, one of the best, maybe in the top three already in terms of just pure runners. But, yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm Hines is not going to come off the field on passing downs. I mean, you know, this coaching staff loves to mix up backs.
Starting point is 00:28:00 And Hines is a, you know, really good passing down back. Good change of pace. You know, that's the thing that you have to kind of reconcile is like, okay, if you're going to spend the seventh or eighth overall pick on Jonathan Taylor, you got to understand that, like, you're banking on him rushing for 100 yards and a touchdown every game, which he can certainly do. But, you know, you don't get in that added bonus of, you know, someone like Ezekiel Elliott who's going to play every single snap and catch a bunch of balls. But, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's tough because I think everyone knows what Taylor's ceiling can be. And that's top three. But it just comes back to, you know, the simple fact of how many, you know, how many snaps he's going to get on passing notes.
Starting point is 00:28:38 I mean, he did great in the passing game. as a rookie. He did. He caught 36 to 39 targets. But John, the biggest difference is Philip Rivers checked down at an extremely high rate. Carson Wentz is way more aggressive. He hates it. Wins is way more aggressive. These running backs had like 120 targets.
Starting point is 00:28:58 That's a lot. It's going way down, man. I think, look, we could be looking at a Nick Chubb situation, although Taylor still will catch more than Chubb, where he's going to be dependent on touch. It's just the way it is. I think that's, I think Graham nailed it. Unfortunately, I'm not saying for fantasy, you don't take him late in the first, but top five, I don't think so. Yeah, like if you're on the clock and you've got Tyree killer or Ezekiel Elliott, I'm taking one of those two guys ever Jonathan Taylor every time. It's fair. He's also 22. Yeah. Extremely durable, Taylor and that I like. Well, you say extremely adorable. He's play one year. Yeah, well, I do, I do like the fact they've kind of figured out left tackle, you know, because Don's,
Starting point is 00:29:40 those leaving was obviously a huge loss, but then they got Fisher. So that definitely helps you say that. We just don't know how he's going to perform coming off that injury. Hopefully he'll be fine by September. We just don't know. Adam, I, you know, with Taylor, I mean, the dude played three years of Wisconsin got 300 carriers every year. I hear you, but that's also
Starting point is 00:29:56 he's a running back. I mean, Derek Henry is an outlier. Well, so far so good. Yeah. I'm a little bit concerned, though, about the checkdowns, because just knowing how I would know whence and how he just does not believe in it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:11 He's trying to make the play, which has got its good and bad parts. Is he going to click with a guy like Granson, the hybrid type of? No idea. H-back, tight-end guy. Greg, did you spend any time studying Kylin Grantsom? I did. What do you think of him? And how does he fit in here this year and long term?
Starting point is 00:30:32 Well, he's a, he's really a split player. He's not a true tight end. Like a Trey Burton type? Yeah. Yeah, he's, you know, he's that. kind of player. I actually thought he was a really intriguing guy. I mean, um, he's, he's not a typical tight end prospect. Um, he, you know, he's, he's short. That's the problem. His height weight profile does not lend itself to being a conventional
Starting point is 00:30:55 tight end. Um, he's an offensive weapon, more an 11 and 12 personnel groupings with, uh, his speed, his movement traits. Um, he can line up all over the formation. He's a receiver. Also have Moe Allie Cox, do they like? And, uh, Jack Doyle, of course, we'll say if maybe Zach Ertz is in the mix. Real quick, for fantasy, I love their D. Now, I'm not expecting seven touchdowns like they got last year, but they get turnovers. Adam, I'll go to you on this. They get turnovers. They've been okay for Sacks, and now you have quitty pay. If that kid pans out, that's a great fantasy day right there in Indy. Yeah, the one issue they've had is at D.N. Obviously, they're really good at D tackle. The issue is clearly
Starting point is 00:31:39 at D&M. They lack of passion. as you're saying, if pays the guy, I mean, if he comes in and plays great as a rookie, sure. Your, cornerback wise, they're okay. They're able to get T.J. carry back. Eagles actually made an offer, but. Yeah, Corner is a question. I think so.
Starting point is 00:31:56 You don't like, oh, oh, I'm going to guess. Rock Yassine did not play well last year. He did not play well last year, and Rhodes is a year older. So I think Corner could be a question. Like Kenny Mordo is a slot, right? Kenny Moore is a great slot. Yeah, you've always. But rock, Yossi and John is the key to this.
Starting point is 00:32:13 If he plays well, they'll be fine. If he doesn't, he did not play well a year ago. I did, I hated Rhodes a year before, Minnesota. I thought he was better last year, Greg. Rhodes, he did hang in there last year, right? Yeah, yeah, but he is a year older. So the corner could be an issue, could be. How great of a pick was getting Buckner last year?
Starting point is 00:32:34 Like, man, that was worth it. The trade. Their tackles are really, really good. I mean, Buckner and Stewart are really good. And by the way, Buckner played probably quarter of the season hurt, and he still was dominant. Now, the key thing is they did lose DeNco Autry, who was a very valuable piece for them because he played DeAnd in their base and moved inside to deep tackle and the nickel. And that's got to be replaced because they take Grover Stewart out in passing situation. So we'll see what I think they would love to see happen is they'd love to be able to move Tyquon Lewis inside, essentially in the archery position.
Starting point is 00:33:06 they'd love to see Camico Torre out of Rutgers who actually has really good edge pass rushability but has been hurt an awful lot since he was a second round pick. If he could end up becoming an edge rusher because the traits are there, that would really help their D-Line and their nickel. Do you know about this Oddenic Bowl?
Starting point is 00:33:25 What do you think? The second rounder? The kid from Vanderbilt? Yeah, what do you think of him? Yeah, he tore his Achilles, I believe. Very, very late. I'm not sure what he's going to be this year. What was he on tape, though? He's a little bit of a freak.
Starting point is 00:33:36 his arms are ridiculously long. He's big. He's physical. He's athletic. He's a really intriguing player, but I don't know if he's a factor this year. Gotcha. Before we move on,
Starting point is 00:33:46 Joe, we'll get you involved here. You used to work for Philadelphia Eagles.com. You grew up an Eagles fan. You're obviously dialed in. Do you have any interest in Carson Wentz as the QB2 later? He's not getting love at all. He'll be affordable.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Do you think there's some upside from his 80s? John, where he's getting drafted, though, there's guys like Baker, Mayfield, and Tua, and even if you go to Justin Fields, who we talked about last week, and, you know, Greg said he would start him week one, and I think he's going to start sooner rather than later. Wentz just isn't ending up on many of my teams. I mean, John, there was, you know, I think Carson, what I saw last year was, like, extremely disturbing. And I expect he'll be better. I mean, it's hard for him not to be better, but how much better, you know? I wonder if 2017 is just completely out of reach at this point. We barely saw flashes of that in Philly.
Starting point is 00:34:48 I expect he'll be better, but John, I just think there's better bets to Baker Mayfield, guys who, you know, two is supporting cast we talked about him last, yesterday. it's loaded. Baker Mayfield is on the on the ass end like yeah it's fair went is just not ending up on many of my teams right now it's fair I mean at this point you're probably crossing your fingers that he's just solid and if he's just solid you know not going to move the needle all that much so very fair unless anybody has any other comment I mean we can talk about michael pitman real quick Greg how how impressed did you did you like the tape like you said I was a little surprised I didn't use him a little bit more in the red zone I thought that was a one area where they could have taken advantage, but seemed like he was, I don't want to say plug and play,
Starting point is 00:35:35 but he did seem to assimilate pretty well. Yeah, he's had a solid rookie season. You know, I think it's the problem we're having here and we're just going back and forth because of Wence is we just don't know how this is going to play out in terms of target. Fitman's a very talented guy. He's big. He's athletic. He's physical. They can use them in multiple ways. But I couldn't begin to tell you what the volume situation will be. Joe, what was that that, that, thought you had about Carson and like the deep crossers that that's not a route that he completed many of and Pittman did several of those last year. Yeah, well, with Pittman, there was, um, I, the play that I, the play that I really, uh, go,
Starting point is 00:36:18 go to is the touchdown he scored. I forget who it was against, but it was more of a shallow crosser. You're talking about Pittman and the 40-yard touchdown when he caught the shallow crosser? And he just ran everybody. Yeah, well, that. He can run. It was the Packers.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Yeah, it was, I mean, it was spectacular. It's just the problem, John, is, you know, for a guy to outrun everybody on a shallow cross, the throw's got to be perfect. And, you know, Wentz struggled. I mean, how many screen passes last year, Adam, did we see Wentz with misthrow? I mean. He was just off, but the question that John has is if every, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, Wence is back to a good solid degree, not 27 level, what could this offense look like?
Starting point is 00:36:57 I think it could be a, I think it's got the potential to be. with the one game a top 12 definitely pretty good they got receivers yeah right and and look Zach pascal's not bad i mean it's uh but gregg's right we just it's very hard to expect to know it's expect for once it's next to impossible to be honest with not only that as i mentioned they do spread it around so for example i love michael pitman um you know i only have but 59 grabs you know it's tentative but 800 yards five six touchdowns i mean you gotta that's another thing you got to spread the production around a little bit. They like to spread it.
Starting point is 00:37:32 Moving on here to the Jaguar. We actually have some excitement here. And Adam, break down anything we've learned. I know you're not a Jaguar insider, but. I've got a pretty good idea. Good. In terms of this backfield,
Starting point is 00:37:47 ETN, James Robinson. Yeah, Robinson's the lead back. He'll be the primary first and second down back. They're going to figure out a way to get ETN in there. Not only, you know, you know, he's being cross-trained as a receiver a little bit. Yeah. You're going to be on this field the same time as Robinson?
Starting point is 00:38:03 I mean, we're in June. I have no idea. I'll know by July or August when I'm there, but I don't know that. I just know that Robinson's the lead back as they're thinking, first and second down. ETN will come in and back them up. I will see some work. It's going to be a run-based offense. You know when Darrell Bevel is calling the plays, you don't need to guess. You know exactly what it's going to be.
Starting point is 00:38:22 They're good at receiver. Their offensive line is back once again. This is three straight years that are all back. I know they've underachieve, but the 10. talented. George Warhop still their O-line coach. So it's, John, there's talent there, but tight end's a disaster. They didn't even watch Josh Oliver, which is disappointing, because he could have been a factor. They got Tebow at him. Yeah, I know. What are you talking about? Yeah, exactly. We're good. Right? He's got a tight end number. You know,
Starting point is 00:38:52 just to some of it, the offense is going to be based on the run game. Will Lawrence throw it 40 times a game unless they're behind no i don't see it i'd say low to mid 30s lowish 30s per game just depends on how they're doing uh defensively they're going to be much better they think from personnel standpoint talking to them about it um so look the personnel if you just sum it up their roster's way better and it was last year way better yeah there's all kinds of optimism great and and well Lawrence look john Lawrence has been on the field but way or only we expected they're limiting him purposely yeah that's a good sign yeah the I wish he had a young tight end of throw to that that disappoints me i mean i don't know about luke farrell if
Starting point is 00:39:31 greg seen him i don't know there are people who really like luke farrell and think that that he has a chance to be a really good player that you know he wasn't used a ton at ohio state as a receiver but that he's pretty gifted kid who could become um you know in some ways be a hunter long type guy i mean he's just you know there are people who really like luke feral well they need somebody to step up at tight end because you got a rookie quarterback that that would help but uh the the kind of questions i don't know yet is or they're going to figure out was chenault he's got a new staff they got to figure out how to use him he's a different type of receiver uh but ultimately he's a wide out right right but again bevel needs to figure out how to use
Starting point is 00:40:11 him to be if he's you know he inherits his pliers so that's that's a challenge charke and jones are their starting receivers we know about colin johnson who's a nice story late in the season so you know overall john they're pretty good with past targets in terms of receiver yeah um Greg the backfield here, ETIN, as you transition ETN to the pros, and maybe even also on the Jaguar team with James Robinson, I mean, what type of back do you see him being in the NFL? Is he an Alvin Kamara guy that you don't want to go over to like 200 carries, use him in the passing game, can he be more than that?
Starting point is 00:40:45 Can he take over at some point and be the clear primary back over at James Robinson? What do you think here with E.T.N. I believe he can be the primary back over James Robinson. He's far more talented. I don't know how they see him. He was almost exclusively used as a receiver in the OTAs. So I don't know what their plan is. And they said, hey, they just want to draft explosive athletes and that's fine.
Starting point is 00:41:12 ATN is an explosive athlete, but he's a running back. And while I think can he run some routes, yes, but he's not Camara. Right, right. Trevor Lawrence, right out of the gate. Greg, I mean, I guess expectations are high, but, you know, Adam mapped it out. I mean, it's a pretty good environment here. Continuity on the O line. Granted, a lot of these guys overwhelmed, but a lot of names at least. Well, the key thing will be their defense because, as Adam said, they don't want them to throw it 40 times a game. And the defense is the key factor here because if they're in games, then he doesn't have to do that.
Starting point is 00:41:49 If they're not in games, then he's going to have to drop back and throw. I mean, there's a lot of things that need to happen. C.J. Henderson needs to, you know, play well. And Shaq Griffin needs to be, you know, a good acquisition here. I mean, look, you could say that if both those guys play to what their skill sets are, they've got really two good outside corners. And can't and Tyson Campbell. And they drafted Tyson Campbell, who I really liked.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Yeah. I mean, they've got play. They really were, Tray Hernon, it's been a good story. I mean, he shouldn't be starting, but is he a slot corner, Greg? He's been both because of both injuries and got you, the whole deal. But you're a big Luke Barco guy, Greg. You're a big Luke Barco guy. Oh, right, right.
Starting point is 00:42:34 He played last year. Andre Sisko, I really liked his tape from Syracuse. He was their third pick in the draft. He's a safety. He had 13 interceptions and 24 games at Syracuse. He's a really interesting safety prospect. I could make the argument that I liked him more than the Trayvon Mowrig. So I like Sisko's tape a lot.
Starting point is 00:42:55 I like Campbell a lot. I think they expect their defense to be much better. Yeah, it's not a bad roster, Graham. DJ Chark, we lost. I like Chark last. He was the only one of the second tier wide receivers that I was pushing myself that disappointed. They all came through buttchark.
Starting point is 00:43:14 But where are you at the confidence level after last year? No, the quarterback play was a big problem. Turns out when you have a mullet, it doesn't guarantee good quarterback play, Graham, but where are you with Chark? Can he quickly bounce back? Or are you a little concerned about his unevenness early on in the career? Yeah, well, I think, you know, the unevenness last year is just simply their quarterback situation. I mean, they, Chark and Loviska Chenault both said after the season eight,
Starting point is 00:43:44 there are some weeks they had no idea who's even going to start, like, on Saturday morning. So that's not an environment you want to go into at all. I got to say, I love DJ Chuck this year. I was kind of, I wasn't necessarily off of him. I was just more lukewarm because the caught, like the price was coming up. But now we get a significantly better quarterback, obviously, in a significantly better offense. Yeah, they're not going to be super pass heavy, but Chark should be the primary guy in this offense. I mean, he has a lot to prove. I mean, this is, this is his year where he can kind of, you know, say, hey, my 2019. season wasn't a fluke.
Starting point is 00:44:20 The last year of his deal, too. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I think, you know, I think some of the last year of the wide receiver deal stuff is kind of bunk. But in this case, I think it makes sense because Charkman, I mean, he could have a sensational year. And the Jags don't have a true, you know, they have Marvin Jones, but Marvin Jones is more of a flanker.
Starting point is 00:44:38 Like, I think Chark is going to be their boundary X. And I'm excited to see it. Joe, Leviska, Chanel, is getting some love as 80Ps like a hundred. 100, 105, maybe it's 115 on another side. I mean, Hollywood Brown is in that realm. Michael Pittman is in that realm. No way in hell am I taking Chanel over those two guys, but where are you with LaVisca?
Starting point is 00:45:01 Well, I think I initially really liked him just because, you know, you look at some of the things he did at Colorado and even last year. And you see that there are some similarities to kind of the way Percy Harvin and Curtis Samuel were used in Urban Meyer offenses. Then you have Darrell Bevel, who's the offensive coordinator, who obviously coach Percy Harvin at both Minnesota and Seattle. But then I hear Urban Meyer come out, and Urban's probably going to learn very quickly about the way he talks to the media
Starting point is 00:45:35 is getting people raising their ears a little bit. I mean, he openly admitted, and I'm sure Travis E.T.N. was like, well, thanks, coach, that he wanted to draft Cadarius Tony in the first round. and you view cadarius Tony as kind of a player like that. They're working Travis E.TN at wide receiver in OTAs and mini-camps. And you wonder what does this new staff think of Leviska-Chinault? And I'm kind of with you, John, the Cadarious Tony talk, working E.T.N. at wide receiver, where he might be used on jet sweeps and things like that,
Starting point is 00:46:10 although I agree with Greg, the guys are running back. I think I'm out on Chanel after initially. thinking when Urban Meyer got hired and Darrell Bevel got hired that this was going to be a really interesting fit. Yeah, I would, yeah, I couldn't disagree more with Bevels. I've, you know, talked to people working with him. Good guy. His issue is with imagination. He's not the most creative guy. You have to be creative to understand what Chenault is. One of the most unique receivers, you know, Greg's outlined for us and I've talked to receiver coaches. He's not for everybody. If you don't understand how to use him, it's a complete waste of time. You might as well trade the guy.
Starting point is 00:46:44 So Bevel's got a job here. He's the good thing he's got Marvin Jones. He's a good accomplished football player. Tark is a, well, we'll just chalk it up to the quarterback play last year. I mean, I think there's some fairness in that. But Charnold's sort of the outlier here. If they could figure out how to use him, he's so interesting, you know? Real quick, Adam, then we'll move on.
Starting point is 00:47:05 Third down, passing situations for the entirety of the season. When you're looking at it as a whole, who's going to be the preferred option? I would, well, right now it would be Robinson, but ETN could take it over. We're in June. I don't know yet. If you're asking me to forecast it, I'll say they'll share it. But also, we have to find out, and maybe this is a better question for Greg. Do you remember Greg how ETN blocks?
Starting point is 00:47:29 He block? No, I don't remember that. Yeah, because that's going to be a key for him to get on the field in that role. ETN was not a good pass blocker. Well, that's going to be a problem. Yeah, he had technique problems and he got overpowered. They were very happy with Robinson with that role. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:47 That's why he got it. He did bulk up. I don't, Greg, if you have any thoughts on that because ETN did gain, I believe, 12 pounds and still ran pretty well. Since when? Since the, I believe the season ended. Yeah, and Scott mentioned this, I think, in his article when he was recapping the post-draft press conferences. But, like, one of the first things Urban said to ETN is that he wants him to, like, bulk up. he was like, look, you remember that picture we sent you?
Starting point is 00:48:14 Which is weird. The N was 215 at his pro day. Yeah, because exactly. I mean, ETSN's never been skinny. He's not been slight. That's kind of, that's weird. Yeah, I don't know why he would say that. Well, I guess he, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:48:28 I saw quotes from him talking about bulking up a little bit. I mean, look, at the end of the day, and I'm just going to say this, ATN's a better player than James Roberts. Okay, so at the end of the day, you got to decide. I mean, Urban Myers knew with this. When I say new, he's new in the NFL. he's probably a lot smarter than I am, but ATN's a better player than James Robinson.
Starting point is 00:48:48 You drafted him in the first round. He's an explosive athlete. He's a running back. So at some point, he's going to have to play running back because that's what he is, and he's better than the other guy. Right.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Do you see an environment where these two could coexist in the back field that could be really good and really healthy? I think, yeah, I mean, can you have plays where you go with, you know, with pony personnel, two backs? Of course. You're not going to do that on 50 plays, John. Yeah. let's move on to Tennessee and boy Adam I go to you because in my opinion the
Starting point is 00:49:19 whole air Jones thing comes down to Tennessee New England San Fran but you could argue Tennessee needs William Jones more than anyone I mean I understand AJ Brown is an X and I don't think they want to give up a first round pick yeah they don't I know where that I know where they stand here so they want them they're so weak at receiver Josh Reynolds is just not a starting NFL receiver he's a very good backup, but it just don't see him being a 50 play, a game guy for 17 games. So that's their interest there. And we'll see what happens. But for now, let's just assume they're not getting because that's where we're at. Reynolds starts as there's the opposite brown. Fitzpatrick will not be
Starting point is 00:49:59 the slot Chester Rogers is, as I understand it, as we speak right now. Fitzpatrick will be cross-trained. But that's kind of where it is. It's, you know, Tidanza is what it is. I mean, it's pretty much Not much has changed here, other than a couple of players that were added in the offseason. Well, you know, of course, new office coordinator, too. It's all going for the Derek Henry. Nothing's strange. Greg, I know you like Des Fitzpatrick's. I do like Des Fitzpatrick's.
Starting point is 00:50:26 I like him a lot. I feel like he could maybe even beat out Josh Reynolds straight up if he picks things up quickly. I don't know about that. I feel a little more strongly about Josh Reynolds than Adam does. I mean, I don't think he's a star, but I think he's got a certain. certain kind of traits that fit. And the reason I believe they signed him is because he has vertical ability because he's long and he can run.
Starting point is 00:50:53 And in this offense where you're going to get eight in the box and you work the play action pass game, I think they see him as a guy that can create some big plays down the field off of play action. It's got some inside outside versatility too. Yeah. Now, does that mean I don't believe he's going to catch 80 balls? But I think they'd be thrilled if he caught 50, 55, you know, and was a 15-yard-to-catch guy and caught seven touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:51:16 You know, I think that's in the context of this offense, I think that's probably how they see him. He's a good example of, I have him with 56, by the way. He's a good example of not bad NFL player at all and real, and for real football. But fantasy, we were like, we're over underwhelmed. Right, right. But I think he's a solid NFL receiver, not great, not a star. but you can line them up and I think you'd be okay.
Starting point is 00:51:44 The issue with Josh Reynolds is, is he a 25 to 30 game, a play guy to be successful? Could he handle 50 plays? We just don't know that he has been a starter before, full-time starter for 16 now. Right. So they're taking, that's where, I don't want to say a risk, but that's, you know, they're looking at the traits and thinking that, yes, he can do that. Right. And we'll see.
Starting point is 00:52:04 What's funny is I actually went back and I looked and I calculated the number of times where he had to be kind of a starter, Reynolds, and I kind of added up all the numbers and it essentially resulted in like a season's worth of numbers. And it was very comparable to Corey Davis, ironically enough, who has departed here. Greg, when you look at the tight end spot here without Johnny, we know what happened last year with Johnny.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Well, they really like FERC. And FERC is a really good receiver. He's a detached player. They really like him. He's going to play in 12 personnel, and he's going to be the tight end when they go to 11 personnel. in long yard at situations because Swain is a really good blocker. A really good job a year ago as a blocker.
Starting point is 00:52:47 So basically can Swam just be Janu from last year? And we do just what we did last year in FERC. I mean, John who's a way better athlete in terms of role, though, you mean? In terms of blocking, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Swain was there last year. He was a really good blocker.
Starting point is 00:53:03 I know. Yeah, I know. I believe Johnu missed a game or two or something and Swam. I guess my point is the optimism for FERC is real based on this roster currently, what he showed last year and his role. Yeah. It's totally. I mean, he's that guy.
Starting point is 00:53:22 I mean, he's a receiving tight end. I do wonder, I do wonder just before we move off to Tennessee if they'll add another tight end to give him a little bit more, because they didn't even draft one, which was surprising to me. They signed a kid from Alabama, Miller Forrestall, who's actually a really just one of those solid guys. Again, they didn't draft anyone, so it's to compete against FERCOR. So, yeah, you're right, it's going to be FERCOR.
Starting point is 00:53:45 But nothing's changing. The philosophy will not change. It's all going through the running back. Right. Well, speaking to that, might be, though, get a little bit more Darrenton Evans this year. Yeah, he was unfortunately hurt, yeah, for most of the season. Now, don't forget, Brian Hill's there, though. So we'll learn a little bit more about that as we go along.
Starting point is 00:54:03 But they like Evans as a change-up. That's where they're at with him. Yeah. Greg. How? Sorry, John. Greg, how much did the injury to Leone kind of limit and restrict this? Well, limited their past game because they needed to help their tackles because they were playing with Dennis Kelly and Sanbrayo.
Starting point is 00:54:21 And they needed to help their tackles in past protection. And that limited what they could do with their past game in terms of concept. So it was a factor for sure. Graham, Ryan Tannehill, I don't know what we do with this guy. He had 40 touchdowns last year. I don't know how he even gets 30 this year. I mean, he had seven rushing, which is fluky. Wow.
Starting point is 00:54:44 I believe it was seven. I'm going to call it up. I mean, how do we get to 40 touchdowns or 35 plus? He had 33 passing last year, ground. I'm just not seeing it here. Oh, we got an extra game, John. Oh, that's true. I'll have an extra game to get there.
Starting point is 00:54:59 I'm joking. I like Tannhill again. I mean, the last two years, pretty much ever since he's, started. He has been one of the three or four most efficient quarterbacks for our game. He was second in fantasy points per drop back in 2019. He finished third last year. And that's like in, you know, he's not in the Lamar Jackson or like, you know, that kind of category with just in terms of efficiency. But, you know, if they draw, if he has to drop back and pass a little bit more because if the Titans regress, you know, it should lead to a few more passes. I think
Starting point is 00:55:30 Tannenhill will be just fine. I mean, he's been a back in strong, consistent QB1 for the last two years and I think I think we're looking that again you know the touchdowns should regress for sure you know with only a j brown there for right now but if they get Julio Jones i mean it's it's this is going to be a really fun off yeah that's Joe i've got tannahill throwing 17 touches to wide receivers and i probably zero to running backs and then you know you know so john you know Derek Henry's taking a screen at least once 90 yards to the house that happens. Right. You know, it's funny, I do wonder, and I'll check on this, if they'll get him more
Starting point is 00:56:12 I don't know about Arthur Smith's belief. Because I know from talking to the Titans, they think Henry's got great hands. They just don't throw on the ball much. So I do wonder, will they use Henry a little bit more in the past game? Probably not. That was a talk last year. But I want to ask, and I'm curious. Yeah. John, I'm just curious from your perspective. I mean, we talk, we, the, the Julio Jones thing would be huge here. And like, I'm not even sure in terms of, like, Julio's numbers, but just what this would mean to what this would mean to the passing game in general.
Starting point is 00:56:42 I mean, we have Tanahill, we have Tanahill at 17, John. If Julio, if Julio were on this roster, and I like him a little bit more than Sal, I like him more than Daniel Jones and Wentz, and we have Wentz and Jones above them. But if Julio were on this roster, would we bump him past Wentz, Jones, and Cousins? Yeah, oh, for sure. I mean, I think that would be a huge addition for Tennessee. I mean, yeah. It feels like a slap in the face for Tanna Hill to have them only at 17, honestly.
Starting point is 00:57:12 But I got to tell you, I got to be. I feel like I massage the numbers to get him a little higher because he's been so good. I mean, they did lose Arthur Smith, too. Yeah. That is a factor here. I'm giving him 27 touchdown passes. And I can't add them up on the rest of the players and get to 27. So there's like a missing four four touchdowns there.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Like maybe it's Julio, but. Yeah. You know, it's tough to wrap my head around it. As you guys know, I was a big Tanna Hill apologist forever. And I was buying them last year. I did believe it was for reals. Just not so sure this year without Arthur Smith and Janu and of course, Corey Davis. But we'll see about Julio.
Starting point is 00:57:57 Anything else here of note, jump out here. I'm not seeing much defensively. Not that into it here. No, defensively, there's some questions because Janice Jenkins is an older corner. Greg could talk about how good he is or what he looked like. Roger Pree is coming back from ACL Reconstruction. They spent a ton of money on him.
Starting point is 00:58:15 Caleb Farley's incredibly gifted. He's fun. We'll see if he could hold up. I mean, they address, they've addressed Kevin Johnson's in there. It could play nickel as well. Danica Watcher, Greg talked about earlier. He's a good football player. He's on their D-line.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Have they upgrades the talent? Yeah. But, John, there are a lot of questions of their defense still. Thanks for tuning in to this edition of the Fantasy Points podcast. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite platform. And come join the roster at FantasyPoint.com.

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