Fantasy Football Daily - 2022 Fantasy Points Town Hall: NFC East and South

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Taken from the 2022 Town Hall livestream, John Hansen (@Fantasy_Guru) and crew, featuring Greg Cosell and Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) go through the NFC East and South, touching on rookies and free agent signings, expectations for 2022, and more. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time for the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Hello, everyone. Welcome to 2022 FantasyPoint.com town hall. I'm John Hansen. You see the crew here. Our guys, Greg Cocell and Adam Kaplan. we've got grand barfield joe dolin scott barrett west uber tom brolly a lot of cooks in the kitchen what's up everyone we're going to try and keep this as informal as possible here uh big shock i had a a technical problem and uh you couldn't hear me earlier but everyone hear me now guys you guys

you guys hear me good all right good good good here we go all right well let's get right into it we're going to break this up into conferences. We're going to do one conference today and then early next week. We're going to do the AFC. So we will start in the NFC and we're going to start over in the NFC East. We'll go alphabetically and we'll go to the Dallas Cowboys. And I'm going to try and rotate back and forth, ask questions to Adam and Greg, obviously focusing on their specialties and then we'll open it up for the rest of the guys if they have any questions things that i miss adam i'll start with you um any any any intel any insight any information on anything note that the cowboys did in the draft well other than tolbert right now until

gallop's ready told what we'll have a real chance to get in rotation um early on because gallop has come back from one of holds and isolated acl with a little bit of a cleanup of something else but he'll be able to play the season and should be ready early on, but they don't have an exact time frame. So Tolbert's going to get a lot of reps in their offseason program. And that's, you talk about the draft. And obviously the Tyler Smith edition, which is, you can call it controversial. Talk to line coaches, they had a much lower grain than first round with the Cowboys did.

It doesn't mean that they're right and the Cowboys are wrong. It just means it's Greg knows because he'll get into that. Tyler Smith's more of a project. And they're going to play them inside first, which I find to be interesting. So that was that, John, and you know about Jake Ferguson's edition. Don't know how much he'll catch the football with Dalton Schultz there. But you asked about the draft, that's what I kind of know. Greg, the first question I have based on the draft is the aforementioned Tyler Smith.

I know you liked it. I liked him. I know you like, you know, the nastiness, if you will, in the running game. can he, in your opinion, step in and offer immediate support because we saw Zeke Elliott running behind a deteriorating offensive line last year? Well, I think they're smart to claim at Guard whether that works, we'll find out. But I made the point in my transition notes that some might suggest an initial move inside to offensive guard, reducing the space with which he would have to work while emphasizing his

strength, power, nasty, quotient, and perhaps allowing him to clean up his undisciplined play would be a positive. So that's their hope. We'll have to wait and see he's a young kid. I believe he's only 20 years old. But he would not be ready at all to play on the outside. He needs to be reworked when it comes to pass protection on the outside. Yeah, well, and that's a problem, past protection for sure. And DAC's protection wasn't all that great. So it doesn't seem like you think Tyler Smith is going to be able to kind of move the needles, so to speak. I mean, it has to be an upgrade, I guess. So it sounds like you're saying that, Greg. Well, I think because he's very nasty and physical and does play with both strength and power that he could play inside. They're doing the right thing, in my opinion. And I don't know if they drafted him to be a guard. Some might think he's a guard totally and not even a tackle. So we'll find out. But for sure. And at a right, there's no way that anybody's going to think that he's a starting left tackle in

2022 in the NFL. Yeah, Greg, you did not get to Jake Ferguson at a Wisconsin at tight end yet. I don't believe so. No, I did not. Yeah. Well, Adam and I saw him at the Senior Bowl. A very productive guy was there, played all four years, and, you know, not a stud by any stretch, but a darn good player. And he's sneaky good, kind of like Dalton Schultz, honestly, Barry Alvarez's a grandson. by the way. And Adam, Dalton Schultz, like, he's not going to be likely a fantasy, a NFL priority as a free agent next year. So I'm wondering if they let him go and maybe Jake Ferguson could be the guy down the road. Yeah, it could be. As long as they don't sign Schultz to an extension, yeah, I certainly could see that similar situation between Jarwin and Schultz and then

Schultz and Ferguson. I'm a little bit surprised that he went to the fourth. Again, I talked to coaches for the draft about him, so I was familiar with him. So I'll tell you what, though, with Amari Cooper traded, one thing we should probably mention, there's going to be some past targets available on this offense. There's no question about it. You know, that's a great point. And Gallup hurt, yeah, there's going to be an opportunity here. Back to Jail and Tolbert, Greg, I know you probably liked his tape.

I certainly watch him closely at the Senior Bowl. More of an outside guy, you know, not a marvel by any stretch, but sure seems like a good football player moves pretty well. How do you see him fitting in here? I would see him as more of an outside guy here with, you know, Lamb can play inside. And I know they tried Gallup inside, but maybe they'll use all three inside.

Well, Talbert is long. He's more of a finesse receiver. He's smooth. He's fluid. I would think he'd be an outside receiver, but teams do move receivers around now. He does have that size length. three level dimension profile.

I think he's best when he has free access off the ball where he can build up speed. He's not purely explosive, but he moves well when he can stride out and build up that speed. He's not really a short area separation quickness guy. You know, he's kind of long. So I like to tape. I think he's a really intriguing prospect. And to me, he has the look of an NFL wideout, just the way he moves, the way he catches. He looked to me like he'll be.

be an NFL whiteout. Totally. And very quickly, I believe you, you watched Donterio Drummond, who did not get drafted, but I watched him at the senior ball, and I'm like, hey, it's a big body, you know, in the middle of the field, Greg. It could maybe be a helpful guy if he makes his team. Yeah, and guys like that immediately get dropped because they don't run really well. He's not as big as you'd ultimately like. He's six feet a half inch. He weighs 217. He's got size. He's got strength. He's got good hands. He can run after catch. You know, he's got that strong body. That's the kind of receiver he is. He's solidly built. He was primarily featured at Ole Miss out of the slot. He ran a ton of in-breaking routes because

that was the old Miss offense. It was a ton of either RPO's or bang play action. So he ran a ton of slant routes and glance routes. And that's where his size and his strong hands can be used to disadvantage. That's probably what he is. He's not going to run by anybody in the NFL. Yeah. Anybody else have any questions, comments on the Cowboys before we move on? Yeah, Greg, I want to just talk about C.D. Lamb because obviously from a fantasy perspective, CD Lamb is going to be a super high pick with Amari Cooper moving on and obviously Gallup coming off an injury. When it comes to Lamb, what have you seen from him in his tape, his first two years.

And do you think really he's better as a slot receiver at the next level, at this level? I think he should do both. And I think he'll become the guy now. So he'll probably get a high target share. You know, Gallup is, he won't be ready week one. So basically you're going to be playing with who. You're going to be playing with maybe Talber. They signed James Washington.

So you're going to get other guys. I kind of like the Fahoko kid who came out. at Stanford last year. I don't know if they have plans for him, how he did through his rookie year, you know, because they saw him every day. So there's going to be opportunities here for others, but Lamb is going to be the number one guy.

So I think he's going to line up Joe both in the slot and outside. Greg, you could argue, correct me if I'm wrong, but let's say Gallup is back and Tolbert is up to speed. Gallup, I know they want to try him inside, but probably ideally suited outside. So you could argue that CD Lamb, when they're in 11 personnel with those three guys, probably is best in the slot, which is ideal, I think. I mean, if it works out that way, you'd probably be right, John,

because what you'd have is you'd have Gallup, who's been their boundary X. He was their boundary X, even when Cooper was there. And then Tolbert would probably be best on the outside as the Z, as the movement receiver to get him with free access. And then Lamb would be the slot. more than likely if it was that trio. Let's move on over to the Giants with Brian Dayball taking over the team and the offense. And my Kafka certainly bringing some optimism here for Daniel Jones.

And I really like the selection of Evaniel for him, for them and Daniel Jones at right tackle here. And also, you know, Wondale Robinson. They didn't do a ton to help Daniel Jones. But Greg, I'll go right back to you. Evan Neal, maybe there's a medical, maybe some have some issues and concerns with him at left tackle, but I feel like he could be an elite right tackle here. I know those lines are blurred a little bit, Greg, but between Andrew Thomas and Evan Neal, I feel like the Giants may actually have one of the five, six best tackle sets in the league here. Well, I don't think there were concerns at left tackle. I think the Giants, Neil played right tackle the year prior to this year.

because he ended up at Alabama in his three years playing guard, right tackle, left tackle. So he has right tackle experience. I think their thought process was probably this, John, that Andrew Thomas improved as last year went on as a left tackle. And they do not want to move him back to right tackle after he spent last year playing left tackle and clearly got better. So Neil comes in. It's not that they were concerned that he couldn't play a left tackle.

It just works for the Giants. Yeah, yeah, fair. Fair. Then Wondale Robinson, you could argue it was a little bit of a reach when they took him, Greg. He is a smaller receiver. Good kid. He came on the show with me and Adam. Guy told us that he didn't even start playing receiver until like two years ago. I mean, at first blush, I didn't really like the pick here, but we don't know what they're thinking, short-term, long-term, Greg. But you definitely seem to like him, and you were intrigued. And you actually think. he could ultimately be like a high volume guy. Yeah, I mean, he's a playmaking receiver. So, you know, he brings versatility. You know, he could become a volume target without question.

I think you'll see him with manufactured touches, but I think he can do more than that as well. Now, he'll probably be a slot receiver because he's 5-8-178, but he's really good with the ball in his hands. You know, I don't know if it's a reach or not, John. I mean, because we have no idea, you know, what other people thought of them or what people's boards look like. Yeah. You know, I think in the NFL, you're trying to look particularly with a quarterback like Daniel Jones, who's, you know, new coach.

They're trying to figure out what Jones is. They're drafting a player that gives Jones easy throws and then can do something with the ball in his hands. So I think that's probably the plan. I don't know what their plan is with Tony. Tony is somewhat similar in that regard. But that's what I'm sure they're trying to do with Daniel Jones. Get him receivers where the ball can get out quick by NFL standards, relatively easy throws, and put it in the hands of playmakers.

I know, Adam, you obviously have heard almost all good things over the years, maybe not 10 years ago, but Brian Dayball and Mike Kafka. And what's the word that you're hearing in terms of that mixture there? day ball is a guy who you know really coached josh allen up hard i don't see a problem with that at all with daniel jones i think day ball is you know potentially the a great thing for daniel jones what's the word out there in the in the in the world and the afl insider world yeah i could go on my reporting on this so kathgow was told two months ago was going to call the plays uh he's going to bring he was a he put together all the passing game concepts for the chiefs he was the brains

behind the passing game not a lot of people understand that that's the truth um he's super smart. Now, he doesn't coach as hard as Dayball. Dayball is a super type A. Like some of the coaches, Greg and I know personally, we've seen these guys. They coach hard. Now, the word from team sources for the Giants on Daniel Jones is that he was too afraid to make a mistake with the other staff. They coach him a certain way where he was just afraid to do, like he couldn't cut it loose as the tournament. He just didn't feel like he could be himself all the time. Find the quarterback position. You never want to get a guy coached being coached like that. That's not good. Dayball will know how to push and pull back from talking to people close to him

work with him. And now, Daveo will definitely be involved in the offense. Don't, you know, don't get me mistaken here. Cathlin will call it, but Daveo will be heavily involved. And Brian, I would assume, will be the guy because the quarterback's coach is not really experienced when I understand with the Giants. And early returns, by the way, the early returns that they have on Barkley, they were very good.

The early intel I have with the staff is they're very happy with the way he looked in shape. and his health. I know it's super early. I just get letting your listeners know we're drafting early. At least he looks good physically. How about the Giants doing nothing at running back? Yeah. In the draft or in free agency. That was stunning. Yeah. The Corby kid, I don't know anything about him, the undrafted running back. But, you know, Matt Brita's only third down. Dave will had him. Of course, he got bent with the Giants after, with the bills with a fumble. But that, you know, I don't know much about Gary Brightwell. So I'll be interested to see how he, I mean, special teams guy. I don't think they look at him as an option, but I could be wrong there.

I think the Giants are a threat to pick up of that here in a couple weeks. I was just going to say, I think they could bring back the kid that they did a great job with. They are. They are. A little surprising. Yeah. Yeah, we're only in May. We're not in August, so it's really not a big deal. I was a little surprised, too, that it didn't address tight end a little more aggressively. Now, that said, that Daniel Bellinger kid, you know, senior bowl guy. I interviewed him at the Combine. I honestly didn't know much about him, so I quickly looked into him. And he was a great dude.

And he seems like an overachiever. Tested pretty well. Didn't get a lot of balls, Greg, at college there at San Diego State. Is this guy athletic enough to potentially be a difference maker? Is he a plus athlete for the tight-end position? Probably not. He's probably a number two tight end. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, that was my sense watching his tape.

I think he's probably a number two tight end. I don't think he's a guy down the road that is going to be your number one guy. Now, tight ends are a different animal because that's all target share. There's a lot of tight ends who you would say are not necessarily great athletes. You know, not everybody is Darren Waller and Travis Kelsey. George Kittal. I mean, Donald Schultz had 120 targets something last year. No one would have said that before that happened. So, but Bellinger is not going to ever be discussed at the level of the top five or six receiving tight ends in the league, John. Yeah. Wes, you were there with with me when I

interviewed Bellinger, I believe. Dude looks like a right tackle. I mean, he definitely looks like a more of a trench player. I think we lost Wes. Well, moving on, anyone else have any other questions on the Giants? Yeah, Adam, just like with the Sequin deal, there was never any real serious discussions to move him? No, one of them. They don't want his contract. It's not even a question of serious.

You're not going to take his contract because here's the problem. If you give up something, then you got the worry of the fifth-year option. It's just, they were open. They would have listened, certainly. It just, it became a moot point because the guys had such a significant injury history. Why would you trade for running back and can't stay on the field? It's like, although the only one that I knew of that, that had some legs as I reported this while back is that the bills really wanted Christian McCaffrey and the Panthers were not going to do it.

There were some, there are a couple of reasons why we don't have enough time, but the bills, you know, we'll get to them on the next show, but they had a reason for it. And the giant, they did, my understanding is they did not call the Giants for Barclay. Before we move on, we did release season projections at fancypoints.com yesterday. We did have a little deliberation about my, I guess, ranking of Kenny Goladay, who I've never been a Goladay guy. But, Adam, when you look at the depth chart here, Sterling Shepard, of course, cannot be counted on. I'm not even sure he's going to be ready for week one. They've got Wondell Robinson.

Cadarius has got some issues. He can line up anywhere. But don't you think by default, like Kenny Goladay, Again, I've never been a big fan. He didn't look great last year, but he's got to step up here and be like the one, right? Well, he will be if he's healthy. But here's the thing you've got to understand. This coach of staff in front office is the heart of this player.

They had nothing to do with him coming here. It was Dave Gellman, we did a bad contract. Yeah. So they could get out of his contract after the season. They could cut him after the season, own $4.5 million. What I've learned over the last few years, team, if they don't want a player, they'll walk away from money. They don't care.

So he's got to play well. conceivable that Slateen out plays them. Well, and Slayton, by the way, this is what this group could look like next year, okay? For Dynasty League people. Galdane could be gone. Shepard is on a one-year deal. He got his contract cut.

Slayton's on the final year. It was rookie deal. So after the season, Wondell Robinson, and Cadarious Tony, if this staff wants up liking, could be the last man standing. So this thing could, this to me is a one-year situation. I know it's crowded right now, but look long-term for Robinson and Diocese Leaks. He could be

certainly the last man's standard. Adam, Adam, do you smoke to the Cadarious Tony's news that he would be in shopped? What was the deal with that? It was available. They made him available, but there was just nothing. The information on him is well known what happened last year.

You know, it's all been documented. Injuries, couldn't play for injuries, attitude and all that stuff. We know how gifted he is, and the staff knows. And this is, and this is a great but i'll tell you what mike kathka he's so creative from talking to people work with him i think we know how hard he uh finds it staying on the field but he could be really special with these coaches yeah um i i feel like they didn't draft tony and they probably know that you know he could

potentially fetch them something so they maybe just throw it out there kind of thing you know that's something like i'm said though i mean he's such a perfect fit for what they want to do yeah yeah i mean So it was the most bizarre thing, especially, I mean, Strong Shepard's 29 now. I mean, Darius Slay and he's coming off in Achilles' tear, by the way. Yeah. Adam, I'm going to make this directly a fantasy point here. My first draft I just did, I'm doing a slow draft right now. I got Sequin Barclay in the third round.

You think that is a very fair place for him to go. Yeah, you didn't get him as your first. You didn't get him as your first bat. No, no, Javonte Williams is my first. Yeah, yeah, you're good. All right, let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles. Obviously, we're all, well, Greg, Adam, and I are in the Eagle territory in Philadelphia. I think we all know this is a good situation here.

Greg, you know, when you learned of the trade, I'm sure your brain started processing, you know, in terms of, you know, how does he fit in? How much can he help jail and hurts? And how much can they grow and maybe, you know, be a little bit more pass-oriented? you know, what were the first things that kind of came to your mind as you kind of wrap your head around AJ Brown fitting in with J.L. Harts and the offense here? Well, I mean, he obviously fits because AJ Brown is really good running and breaking routes. We saw that when he was in Tennessee. They ran a ton of those bang play action inbreakers, glance routes, slant routes. He's terrific

run after catch, very competitive. The Eagles will do a lot of that. You know, I think with what the Eagles did in the offseason with Brown and Zach Pascall, by the way, who I think is a pretty solid receiver. They want to expand their passing game. They know that they can't play the way they did the last seven, eight games last year and really compete. So they're going to try to expand their pass game and, you know, it'll fall on Jalen Hertz. Because, you know, I always have this conversation with people. Receivers don't make quarterbacks more accurate. You know, Jaylen Hertz is going to have to become a more consistently accurate thrower. Now, whether he can or not remains to be seen.

But Jaylen Hertz isn't automatically a better quarterback simply because A.J. Brown is there. A.J. Brown fits what they did a year ago and what I'm sure they'll do more and more of because it works with A.J. Brown. But it doesn't make Hertz a more accurate thrower. Yeah. Could increase his complete. A completion percentage a little bit, though, with the quick game, you know, getting the ball out quickly to A.J. Brown. It could. It could because they'll run a lot of those plays. Yeah. But they know they need to, they can't live on RPO's in bang play action. They know this.

Yeah. How much better can A.J. Brown make Devante Smith, because Devante Smith, correct me if I'm wrong, but was an X a lot. And is he better off at Z? I would think, I would think so. Well, I think he is, and Brown was the X in Tennessee, so we'll see what they do. They'll move them around, but I would imagine Brown, when they start their mini-camps, he'll be the X, and probably Smith will be the Z. Okay, Adam, so now the real important stuff, because we're all in on Hertz, obviously, the guy got it done last year without A.J. Brown, but now there's maybe a little bit more pressure on him if he makes some bad mistakes and they start losing, you know, at some point, they may, you know, come to the conclusion that he's not their guy and pull the plug for Gardner Minchot. So, so talk about all the possibilities in that regard. It would have to be pretty extreme for him not to lose the job. They've done, look, we know about the Sean Watson still, okay? We know that if Watson or Wilson wanted to come,

Russell wanted to come to Philly, we're talking about a completely different situation. It was move point because neither wanted to come to Philly. So the fallback option was Jalen Hertz. he's the guy. We know about the running. John, you brought up the start of the season. 34.6 past attempts per game through five weeks. We all saw that. He struggled with it.

To Seriani's credit, he pulled the plug. No one saw that coming. Still kind of shocking. Then the rest of the season, 27.4 attempts per game, which is bottom five attempts per game for a quarterback. Greg's 100% right. There's zero chance that happens this season. You know it's unbelievable about the Eagles?

Four seasons in a row that they spent either a second or first round pick on the receiver. Or if they go white side of 19, second rounder, first rounder Rager, first rounder in Devonte Smith, and first rounder in the trade for A.J. Brown. They're throwing the football. And if it doesn't work, we know it's coming. It won't be hurts. So you got it, Judge. Greg knows.

We all know it. How about that Cam Juergen selection? How about Kelsey, like, you know, helping out the process and basically helping them helping the Eagles draft his replacement essentially. Yeah, yeah. But keeping it on here, it's going to be fun to watch because A.J. Brown is so competitive. Greg could speak what the routes look like.

It was a stunner. Just to move on from this, this certainly was not expected. In fact, because the Titans told everyone he's not available. And when they were struggling getting this contract done, it's just shocking. me, they didn't even come close to what, not only what the Eagles offered him. He went on record with our friend Toronto downboard and said he would have taken 22 million a year, which, by the way, is lower the market value. That's, to me, which I don't know this is a fact.

It's just my sense. They know about his knee issues, which have been fairly documented, I think, fairly well documented. And they probably don't think it's worth paying a guy who can't stay on the field enough. He's definitely been hurt. There's no question. But when he plays, he brings it. The backfield, they'll still have a very good running game for sure.

Maybe hopefully for them, not as frequent utilization of these guys. But I guess we know who Miles Sanders is at this point. I mean, AJ Brown has got to help the entire offense. But I'm actually intrigued by Kenny Gainwell. I know he's a satellite type of player. And, you know, he's not a bell cow. But, you know, digging deep, I kind of think he could catch 40 balls. I mean, we know that he's got great hands.

How high are the Eagles at him on Kenny Gainwell? Two things. Actually, one thing I want to just add, we all know this, and we didn't know what's coming. Gamewell became a goal line back for the Eagles in the first half of the season. He had a bunch of touchdowns. Yeah. That's not the way. In fact, I remember talking to his coach of Ryan Silverfield at Memphis.

He kind of gave us the intel the way he saw, because Brian was a longtime assistant in the NFL before he came to Memphis head coach. And he explained because he knows Camwell very well. John, the way you talked about is what he saw. In fact, he thought they'd have Santers and game well in the field at the same time. It didn't happen very much. So what I would expect is in year two, now that the coaches understand him and they've had him in, you know, in a program, I would expect them to expand the way that they use him more into what you said, more of the satellite back. I think we all would agree.

That's what we saw. But we didn't see it. I can't explain this. It was Nick Sirianney's first year calling plays. But I would expect them to expand his role to answer question. One more for you, Adam. We all know Goddard. Anything going on behind him?

You know, the intriguing Tyree Jackson. No. Calcatera, the kid they drafted there from SMU. Nothing going on there? No, I mean, it's kind of comical. JJ, J.G.R. Fagga, White Sots could be a tight end. Didn't work at receiver, so they're going to make him a blocking tight end. Tyree Jackson tours ACL, unfortunately.

He had a back fracture. I was there the day he broke his back. He was unbelievable story. I mean, six, seven, lanky, but caught everything, and then he, he broke his tailbone, and then he comes back later, John. He tears his ACL, and Greg could get in Calcutera, who you and I saw at the senior ball. And I'll say this, if Hurts us like a 60% pass, 63% passer, let's say, he might be a top five fantasy quarterback. He might not be even in the upper half of passers, but John for fantasy doesn't matter, as we know,

as you correctly called last fall, he could be really good if he could improve his accuracy. Anybody else have anything on the Eagles before we move on? Greg, Kenny Gainwell's tape last year, was there enough to really draw any conclusions from what you saw to Gainwell last year? You mean conclusions on how he'll be used this year? No, in terms of just, you know, how he looked in the NFL, you know, how he handled, you know, physicality, whatever. And he thought he looked pretty good. running the football. They used him, as Adam said, he basically was used in the red zone quite a bit. You know, I think there's a lot more to get out of him as a receiver because he's really, really good.

But, you know, we're going to see how this offense is kind of structured now. They have an interesting balancing act here, and then we can move on between the fact that you want to, you want to accentuate what Jalen Hertz does well, which obviously is the run game with him as a foundational piece, but also they know that the past game has to become far more expansive. And they've basically done that by what they've done with the trade for A.J. Brown. So, you know, they know what they need to do to be potentially a true championship type team. But there's a balance here because you don't want to take away from what Hertz does well. And that's the issue a lot of teams face that have quarterbacks that are really, really good runners.

You know, you don't know what that balance is. One more thought. Kennedy Brooks might be, okay, but he might be intriguing just to take the reason he was undrafted, John. Yeah, it doesn't move very well. You know, I watched him last summer or the summer before because I thought, you know, that he was going to come out and then he took a year off the COVID year. I didn't think he was very good at all when I watched him two years ago. and I wasn't surprised he was undrafted. Yeah. All right.

I don't even think he's going to make the team? I mean, unless they kept four backs because the top three spots are taken. Huntley contributed nothing in two years. So, I mean, unless there's injuries, you know, so John, as we go into the season, assuming no injury, he's not a factor in the league. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know.

But, I mean, Gainwell, Scott and Huntley are all smaller. backs, you know what, Gainwell, John, though, he's a little stronger than, you know, I saw him in training camp. Greg was there, too. Yeah, Gainwell's 2.15. Yeah, he put weight on. Oh, he's 215 now? I don't know what that.

Is that out there that he's 215? He might be close to that, though. Really? Wow. Because I know he built his body up on what Greg said, though. Well, there you go. Well, then there it is. I mean, Kenny Gainwell is a nice little sleeper here.

Yeah, to move on here in a sack. They've got to use them more than passing him. That, that to me, and I understand he's a rookie, so you don't want to go overboard. But this kid could be super dynamic if this staff could figure it out with him. I think he had like 36 catches. I was surprised he had that many, honestly. But you never, but you never watched, they could have said 70. I never felt like he did anything in the past game where you go, oh, wow. We didn't see any wow plays from them. That's the point. Yeah, 33, 33. Let's go to the football team, Adam. Right back to you. We're all panicking about

the drafting of Brian Robinson. What do you think this means for Antonio? Gibson, as I asked you on the radio, like, how much of it was, hey, we need a better backup for Gibson and another number two, you know, not including McKissick, because Jared Patterson, not really cutting it here. Talk about this backfield now. No, you got it. This is more about Jared Patterson than anterior Gibson. They were, the way I was explaining me, which I told you weeks ago, is that they were looking to get someone to back up Gibson to compliment a that would size. Patterson is an interesting story, but I think what happens sometimes is these undrapped

free agents, they look great in offseason program, which he did, good in training camp, but when the games, when he actually gets in games, they become who they were. There's a reason why these guys aren't draft. That's what happened to Patterson. He's a third back, no better. And Brian Robinson, barring something shocking will be there too. The guy who won't go, ever go away, Johnson is still on the roster. And that's it.

Now, could Robinson take some carries away from Gibson? Sure, he's been banged up a little bit. The shin injury, the toe injury. The word that I got from my guy there is the thing that you worry about Gibson is, because the tape shows it. And there are metrics on him show it. As I told John, I gave you that stat that they had. I don't have it in front of me.

But his lack of instincts to play the running back position are a slight problem. He doesn't always see where you need to go because he's not, he's new to this position. And it's something as you and I have done these shows. for 19 years working in Series XM. We didn't have a lot of guys that became a really good running back. Later in the group.

Later. Yeah, it's hard. It's really hard. Sometimes either you have it or you don't. Right. He did well. Now, he did well, considering a shin fracture,

but for fantasy, we'll turn it back to fantasy, I would not jammer as the number one back. I'll admit I overdraft him last year way too much. Yeah, we all sold them. We didn't realize that the vision Yeah. We also.

Yeah, the vision. Yeah, the vision. That's the issue. Right. Greg, it kind of feels like, you know, one of those things like Adam said, either you have it or you don't. I always say with quarterbacks, I feel like you can tell early if they have it or not. With running backs, might a guy like Gibson show, you know, measurable improvement in that regard. I would think at least pre-snap recognition of defenses, you can become a little bit more advanced. there, but how much better can a guy get in this regard?

Well, I don't think he gets better in terms of his overall running traits. He gets better on understanding fronts, understanding where not to run based on a front. You get better at those kinds of things. He's not going to become better as far as his traits. You know, it's always interesting to me because I thought when Antonio Gibson came out of Memphis, I thought he was a slot receiver because that's really what he was his last year. And I thought that's what he should have been in the NFL, but obviously they made him a running back. And I really like Brian Robinson's tape.

So it'll be very interesting to me how that plays out. Yeah, where is Brian Robinson in the spectrum, if you will? Because I look at him and to me he's like right there almost in between, you know, like kind of a guy. And then but on the positive side, like, you know, he does move pretty well. And he is pretty versatile. It can catch the ball. like how good of a prospect is Brian Robinson? I think he's a very good prospect.

He's a good blocker, too. You know, he's 225 pounds. He's got featureback size. He's got featureback traits. I really liked his tape. I watched all of his runs from 2020 because they were only about 95 of them because Naji Harris was there. And then I watched a ton of his runs from this year.

I think that he's kind of a surprising back. Because you don't look at him and go, wow, he's explosive. but he's got kind of light feet. He can stop and start. You wouldn't say he's purely shifty and elusive. But he did sort of flash lateral quickness and agility. He could re-accelerate, which is very important. I thought he was looser this year than he wasn't 2020.

I thought he was a good prospect. I mean, you know how backs are. I knew he wasn't going to be drafted high, but it would not surprise me if when all said and done, he's the better back there. Okay, yeah, that's kind of where we're going. I thought, I guess, third round for him, and that's where he went. Greg, back to you.

Jahan Dotson, your thoughts on this fit? Certainly going to play a lot of Z and slot, because McLaren apparently, you know, he's locked in there to X, which is probably okay and ideal maybe for Dotson. I know you like the prospect, but give us the cliff notes and your thoughts on the fit. is he the guy that Carson Wentz is going to be taking downfield shots to because we know that's kind of his game Carson. Well, Dotson can pretty much do anything. You know, he's a really complete receiver.

What really stood at about him, given his size, is how fearless and competitive he was in the middle of the field. You can line him up inside. You can line him up outside. He played Boundary X at times. He had significant snaps at Boundary X. This year, the much higher percentage. of John of his targets and receptions came from the outside. So he's not big in terms of his height

and weight, but he plays big. And I think that really stood out on tape. I liked him more than Chris Olavé, and I thought they got the better receiver just based on tape. So I really like Johan Dotson. I think he's probably a guy I would think could be ready to play early. It does feel like they need to integrate some size into this group, though. You know, McLaren, Samuel Dotson. Do you agree? And I guess that would be maybe Cam Sims if he's up to the task. Harmon coming up that ACL. Yeah, the only guy that they really have was size is Cam Sims. Well, Dami Brown, actually, he's 6-1. He could go. They'll be able. Gany Golden also has size. I agree, though. They need to get someone with size. By the way, Samuel finally is completely healthy.

He suffered a groin injury last May, and literally was never healthy the whole season. It's just, it's ridiculous what they're paying him. He's their slot. You know, between the three of them, it'll be interesting to see how much they could cut into, Samuel and Dotson had cut into McCloren's target share. That's going to be interesting. How did you project those guys, by the way? I'm interested in see what you have numbers.

I got, yeah, it's a tough one. I mean, I've got McLaurin with 75 catches, got Dotson with 60, Sammy with 37. You know, it's a guess. Diamondy Brown is a rotational guy, 19 grabs, and then Cam Sims as a big body guy, 12 grabs. So these are educated guesses. You know, Logan Thomas coming off that injury, too.

That's a problem. Greg, Cole Turner, did you get to him? Yeah, I saw Cole Turner. Yeah. Is he like a receiving specialist? What do you think of his game? Cole Turner is long. Yeah, he was the Nevada tight end.

He, there were times I kind of saw him as a strong flex tight end prospect. He's got really good size. He's a plus athlete. There were times I thought he could work the middle of the field well. Other times I watched him and I thought he really lacked what was needed. Change of direction wasn't very good at all. He's kind of straight line. But he is over 6'6, which gives him a.

stride length element. He didn't run real well. So is he vertical? I don't know in the NFL if he is or if he isn't. So I thought that his projection would be in the eye of the beholder. I think there's a lot of coaching and development that is needed with this guy. But because of his size, his length, his body control, he does catch the ball. I knew that there'd be people who would like him and would feel they could make him into a quality receiver. Is he a number one tight end? I don't, that's always hard to say.

He has good size, but I don't know if that's enough. John, you and I saw him with the senior ball. He's really tall, like super tall. I don't remember, I don't remember him, honestly. I remember him because he stood out. Like, he was so much taller than any other tight end there or any, like, the defenders. Oh, yeah. He had a purple jersey and a silver helmet on because I've made a note of it.

I'm like, oh, that's called Turner. Okay. He's a team guy, but, you know, he's listed as 250. he looks for a guy six six and a half he looked even like two 30 that could be you know what I mean so I was not super impressed with him but look he he can run there's no question about that and you know look John they've got kind of a mess of tight end right now yeah they do Logan Thomas come back a serious injury you that's why I brought it up Greg what do you think of John Bates just real to throw it back I think he's one of those number two tight ends you know in the kind of Daniel

Bellinger category you know I think he's a really solid number two tight end Yeah, I kind of liked him a little bit, you know, expecting nothing from when, you know, he started to play. I had no idea who he was, honestly. I knew the name. I was about it. Adam, do you look at the draft capital used to get Sam Howell in the fifth round and think, does that prompt you to think that he's not going to be that big of a threat to Carson Wentz or not? It's really not connected because they're going to go, the way that they're looking at it,

is this. Hanneke will be the backup to once. If Wentz does not play well, he won't be on the team next year. They could get out of his contract. They have to make a decision by middle of March. Then they have a decision to make. If Hal is just unbelievable practice, it would be Ron Rivera's call. He has personnel control, and he'll consult with Scott Turner and Sam Psi, the quarterback coach. They'll have to make a decision. But Ron Rivera's taking this year by year. He shouldn't have gotten control of the personnel, but they did it. Ron is going to, you know, Ron knows the story, Wenz, three teams of three years. We all know listening. Everyone watching knows what the issues are with Wents. He's still very gifted. And he could still

throw the football. He doesn't check the ball down. Nothing's really changed, John. But they saw Howl is a very good value. This season, this past season was a disaster. But the guys put good tape together before that. So what, Sam, how is it? I can't answer. But he's drafted to be a backup. Could he factor in in future as a starter? They're not looking at that. They want to get Wentz right. Here's the thing about Wentz at 29 years old. He's still as gifted as he ever's been. That's the funny thing about this guy.

I mean, he does make throws that like four other dudes on the planet can make still. Greg could attest to it. Greg could break him down. He knows. Oh, well, Greg's tape study revealed an approved player from the year before. Yeah, I know.

You know, everybody remembers the last game when he was bad, but he actually did not have a bad year. But the other factor, too, is and this is the stuff we don't know, they did kind of take the ball out of his hands a little bit down the stretch. Now, they may have thought that was the best way to play, given their back and their all line,

and their defense had, you know, start to get better. But, you know, I think Wents is in some ways devolved into kind of a system player. Now, is he capable of making a great play? Sure. I remember he did that on, was it a Sunday night game against Arizona, where he roll left,

incredibly great touchdown that if Patrick a Mahomes made, we'd still be watching it. But because it was Carson Wence, everybody laughed about it. But he is talented, and the issues with Wence go beyond the talent. Yeah. That's a great way to say it. He's devolved into being a system quarterback. You know, it's not like a Joe Burrow where he could just plop them in and, you know, any offense and he could pretty much run it.

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