Fantasy Football Daily - 2022 Fantasy Points Town Hall: NFC North and West

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

Taken from the 2022 Town Hall livestream, John Hansen (@Fantasy_Guru) and crew, featuring Greg Cosell and Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) go through the NFC North and West, touching on rookies and free agent signings, expectations for 2022, and more. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoints.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Chicago, this will be quick because they didn't really do much, shockingly. Greg, I know, though, you did kind of like Velas Jones out of Tennessee. a big dude. I watched him at the Senior Bowl. I could absolutely see him

contributing here in Chicago this year, Greg. Yeah, I like Valas Jones. And, you know, look, what they have, by the way, I like Byron Pringle too a lot. I thought that was a good kind of under the radar signing. So I think they're better at the wide receiver position. You know, Jones predominantly played in the slot at Tennessee, but he's big.

He's a return man. He's got a lot of juice run after catch. So I think this is an interesting receiving court, not a great one. You know, I don't want to come across as, wow, look at these guys, they're great. But I think it's pretty interesting. I remember watching Byron Pringle when he came out of Kansas State and I liked him and then he went to the chiefs. And he sort of started incrementally. He became a bit more of a factor on a team that had a lot of weapons.

So he wasn't going to get a high target share. But it would not surprise me if he becomes the number one target in this offense. Yeah, you know, that's interesting. because oftentimes when we're panicking in the fantasy world, we'll go to you, and you're not panicking. And you are right a lot in that regard. Well, do you think you? Thank you.

I will say that, you know, a lot of people like Joe were looking at this recede core, like it's really, really, really bad. I keep saying I've seen worse. Adam, what do you think here? It is not great. Is it enough? Is it enough to help? Justin Fields, you know, grow in year two.

Here's the one thing I'll tell you. Between Mooney, Jones, and Pringle, they're going to have speed. But there are questions about how many snaps Pringle should be able to play, because what they wanted to do, as I told you last year, their goal was to, they wanted to draft an X to replace Robinson on the outside and move Robinson to the slot. And it just, they, the draft didn't work out. So, what about like a guy trade for Denzel Mims? Yeah. Well, you know, no. No. It's, it's,

Why don't you say that because they've got a bunch of guys after those three we just mentioned, John, who have actually, you know, David Moore had some success in Seattle. Right. Equanimia St. Brown. I don't know, you know, I'm not suggesting these guys are a big time target share guys. But, you know, he's had moments. Das Newsom was, I thought, a pretty good prospect coming out of North Carolina. He was a real good slot receiver at North Carolina. So it's not like they don't have anybody. You know, it's easy to say they don't have that guy and they don't have that guy. So people, of course, are ripping the bears and saying Justin Fields has no one. But they've got six guys that theoretically you can line up and play with in the NFL. So you wouldn't necessarily be concerned that the current roster and supporting cast could prohibit growth for Justin Fields?

Prohibit, no. Is it ideal? No, but prohibit's a strong word, and I would not say that. My concern, John, is the offensive line much, like, I mean, I don't think the receiving core is great, but the offensive line's a huge concern for me. Yeah, well. I know they drafted a bunch of late round guys, Greg, but, you know. And I didn't see any of those guys.

Yeah, and those guys can take some time to really develop, too. Yeah, big, big issue at Wright Tackled, Adam, right? Well, the problem that Chicago has is Borm's okay. Larry Borm, they kind of like him. Is he all right? Okay. Yeah, they were, well, again, this is talking to the previous staff, but. Yeah, Borem is okay. He came out of Missouri last year. He's okay. Yeah, yeah. Here are the issues that you have, though, okay? Tevin Jenkins, you had the back surgery. He came back. He came back. He'll be the left tackle. White hair could play guard or center. Lucas Patrick played for Getsy with the Packers, so they know him. right guard's a problem.

It's kind of like it's a below average offensive line. There are a lot of questions. It could be better short, but you're taking leap to faith. One thing with EQ Sam Brown, you remember he's on there, getting back the receiver, and that gets, he knows them. That's why he's there. But the real story is they try to get MVS. That's the guy they really wanted.

They talk money with them, but they didn't seem to 10 million a year player like the Chiefs did. So that tells you that they're looking for someone John next year. They'll probably bring in someone with size. who they feel like could start opposite Mooney. Or unless Jones can do it. Jones is less than six feet, though. He's not like to six, too. But he plays for that.

He's not good size, by the way. What's that? He does. But here's the question. Yeah, but he's a finesse guy. He's explosive. They need, I do wonder, because they told me they wanted someone to protect Mooney for certain things,

because he's smaller, John. And they haven't been able to find that guy. Yeah. That's why I brought up Denzel Mims. Yeah. But Jones, listen. If Greg, I know likes him. If Greg likes him, I like him.

And we'll see. We'll see how it's all he can. Let's go to Detroit and looking good. You know, James and Williams, we'll see. But, you know, they don't need them right away because we've got Amman Ra and DJ Chark. I mean, it really wasn't much of a fantasy draft, obviously. So I don't have much.

But Greg, how did you compare James and Williams? to the rest of the class, what is the ceiling like for Jameson Williams? I mean, is he talented enough to be considered one of the seven, eight best receivers in the league in a couple of years? Absolutely. I mean, he's an impact game changer, John. I mean, there's not many guys who can move like he does, and he'll run by people in the NFL, just like he did in college.

You know, he's what everyone's looking for. He's an explosive playmaker. He gives you those chunk plays that everybody wants, and he's an in. impact playmaker and a game changer. So yes, that's, I mean, they traded 20 picks to get Jameson Williams. Yeah. Adam, how about the job that they've done here, you know, like 380 days ago, like they had nothing. I know. Terrible. They had Amon Rae last year, but, you know, they were really bad otherwise, but all of a sudden, Charc, Jameson, and Josh Reynolds, the in-season acquisition, it's not bad. No, it's funny because we were a lamented at the start of the season. They remember they wouldn't play.

They literally could have zero receivers of the roster. They still wouldn't play Amont Ra. I don't know why. Still to this day. But moving on for Matthew Lynn probably helped that. Hasten what would later happen. So, yeah, it is. Now, Char, you know, he broke his ankle.

So we'll see how he does. He's healthy now. So we'll see, you know, he's had injury history, but he's talented. Josh Reynolds shockingly revived his career. Boy, the Titans have to look back and say, why do we cut him? Yeah, what are we doing? Yeah. Yeah. Now, do you read into them not doing anything at quarterback at all?

No, John, this group was, you know, we know a couple years, a couple of Goss will surprise people. They're like everybody else. Number one, the, the, the, they're locked into Goss contract because of the structure. There's nothing. At least this year. No, no, no, no. Yeah. It's being, they cannot move on for guaranteed money. After this year, they can cut them at home nothing. But they, they know, we know. We know. We know. First of all, we know what they're going to be. They're going to be a run first offense. As long as Dan Campbell's the head coach, they're going to run the football.

So when they throw it, we kind of know what it will kind of look like. Now, the question about Williams is when he's going to be ready. Remember, he had the injury late. He had his ACL injury after match he did. So we don't know exactly when he'll be on the field. I know the reports out there. He had a schedule, which means absolutely nothing, by the way. It's only ahead of schedule for three months out, four months out.

Let's see how he is it six and seven months out. If he's on the field in training camp, that if he's even, if he's on PUP but running well on the side, then they take him off PUP, that means he'll be ready for the start of the season. So we'll keep it out of that. Yeah, notice Alman Ra's ranking. You know, I love Alman Ra. I know our guy, Wes Yuber here did last year as well. But, man, you know, he got some serious volume down the stretch that I don't think he's going to get this year.

I think his catch total. I gave him like 80, 82, which is very respectable. go on to a Green Bay because we're still a little behind. And Greg, we'll start with you. I actually think Romeo Dobs might catch as many balls this year as Christian Watson. I'm trying to stay patient. But, you know, I love Watson as a prospect. I know he's a little raw.

He's a great kid, a little raw, and had some drops. And no one's done anything as a rookie in Green Bay, like, for decades. But your thoughts on the fit here? and you did throw that MVS comp, and you nailed a bunch of these cops, Greg. Your thoughts here on Watson and Dubs added to the mix. Well, I like Dubs tape quite a bit. I thought that he was worthy of being drafted before he was,

but obviously Watson was a guy everybody started talking about. He ran by everybody at the FCS level, and that's fine. His measurables were almost exactly the same. as Valdez Scaneling, when Valdez Scaleling came out of college. You know, I think your point's correct. I think he's a little bit raw. I think he'll give him a certain number of routes and he'll run those routes. I think Dubbs has a chance to be a far more complete receiver.

And so we'll see how it goes. I mean, obviously, they still have Randall Cobb and Lazard is he'll play. They have Sammy Watkins. They have a lot of guys now, and I'm not sure how this is going to play out, John. That's your job. know how this is all going to play out? Well, I think Rogers is in a good place. I mean, he knew this was all coming.

So I kind of feel okay about him, believe it or not. Anybody else have anything on Green Bay? Not really a fantasy-friendly draft here. Yeah, guys, all the Aaron Jones, this offense is going to run through Aaron Jones. He has massive, massive splits in the games that DeFonte Adams missed last year and in the previous years. we want Aaron Jones to catch the ball. I think he's going to be highly involved as a pass catcher.

And I see like an Alvin Kamara type ceiling from him not being drafted, like anywhere close to that. He's going to the third round. Well, Alvin Kamara, that's been my comp for him for a couple of years now, believe it or not. So, yeah, we would like that. And certainly A.J. Dillon can catch the ball. We'll move on because not much going on here in Green Bay. Minnesota here. Not a ton going on here as well.

Not a fancy friendly draft whatsoever. I mean, they took Jalen Naylor late, later round pick. I mean, I like the fact that they got more help on the office of line, but I don't really have much on my Minnesota Vikings. You know, my favorite player growing up, they took the corner, they went secondary. Greg, did you like Ed Ingram from LSU? Did you get to him a lot? I really liked Ed Ingram. Yeah, he was a fun guy to watch.

So, yeah, I really liked his tape. I know you did like Ty Chandler, too. He's intriguing. I mean, for what he is, yeah. Yeah, I mean, backs don't get drafted. I mean, you know how that goes. Yeah, yeah, I don't know about the fit here because, you know, Dalvin has been such a bell cow.

But, you know, it is a new staff, Adam. Maybe they're looking to work in a change-up runner, unlike the previous staff. And I think Todd Chandler could qualify as that. He's got a little more juiced in Delvin. Yeah, the thing about Madison, though, the thing about Madison, he's really, really smart. He's really good to pass protection. I know talking their former staff, he's really, really valuable. Now, look, they also need a third back.

That's Ty Chandler in the fifth round. To me, he'll be the third back. they had a kid last year, the fourth rounder. Longmo. Yeah, who didn't really play. So, to me, and also the thing is, when you bring in a new staff, Kevin O'Connell will call the plays as that coach. They're always going to have their opinion of what they think these guys look like

compared to the other staff. But Madison is just really, he's a good football player. He's not perfect. Every once in a while, he disappoints you when he has expanded role. That's kind of the story of his career. But he also is good. He's good backup. up. So I don't know that much is going to change.

Greg, what type of back is Chandler? Like, you know, if things go swimmingly well, could he be a primary back on a pass happy team, for example, or is he? Well, keep in mind, they're going to run the Rams offense. You know, it's Kevin O'Connell, and they brought in West Phillips, who was with the Rams. So they're going to run that offense. And I would say that Chandler, I thought he was. was a pretty good back watching him on tape. He's just 200 pounds. That's the thing.

He's got compact movements. He's got no wasted motion. I thought he made sudden decisive cuts. I thought he showed really good vision. I thought he was a good prospect. I thought he could develop into a long yardage and third down back at the next level. He's a very good pass receiver. He was really good in pass protection. So he was a back. The more I watched, the more I liked. I said in my notes that he'll likely be a day three pick, but his running, receiving, past protecting, competitiveness profile will get him on a roster, and he will play in the NFL.

Yeah, I talked about his upside in the passing game. Sorry, Joe. He can make big plays in the passing game, Greg. He made some. I mean, he ran 8 seam, you know, from the backfield, the offset alignment in the backfield. There are other examples of that, too. I think he's just scratching the surface as a receiver.

He is a good receiver. Yeah. Joe. Greg, I wanted to talk because this is a guy, I mean, we know he's good for fantasy and we know he gets hurt on occasion. But I am super high on Dalvin Cook in this offense and the way that we know Kevin O'Connell's going to play offense. Do you see it the same way as I do with the outside zone focus?

Yeah. I mean, Dalvin Cook's going to be their foundation without question and he can run outside zone. And so I would imagine that's going to be the case. And by the way, think about, think of it this way. Everybody knows what Kirk Cousins is. There's no, there's no confusion here. You know, he puts up good numbers every year for fantasy,

but there's no illusion that Kirk Cousins is, you know, Joe Burrow. So they're going to run the ball. And they're going to run outside zone because that's the foundation of that style of offense. And, you know, I don't know. I guess the question is because Cook, does have a little bit of an injury history, even though he probably weighs in the 210, 212 range. He always looks smaller to me, and I don't know if they want to give him the ball 350 times.

Yeah, maybe the Ty Chandler selection indicates they dial back a little bit here. But Joe, FYI, I made a last minute decision right before we made the projections live. I bumped up to Alvin because I think you're on the right track for sure. So we have him at RB6, at his 80p is RB7, so we're a little higher on him now. I mean, I just, I'm getting him at the back end of the first round and knowing what his upside is, as a receiver, as a runner, I just think that that's worth taking the risk that he misses three games. I just think it's a really good spot for him.

Let's head on over to Atlanta as the Falcons grab Drake London, also Desmond Ritter, Tyler, Al Jir. So a very fantasy-friendly draft, Greg. I'll go to you on Al Jir. They still have Damien Williams here. Who knows? Probably nothing going on there. Cordaral, I think they're going to pull back. Is Tyler Al Jir talented enough to pick up, hell, the bulk of the rushing load here, I would argue, with Mike Davis gone? You know what? He could. I mean, he does have the look and feel of a volume runner who can wear down a deep. defense over the course of four quarters. The question is, will he be given the opportunity to be that? And he could well be given that opportunity in Atlanta. You know, my guess is a lot of teams wouldn't see him that way, but they're looking for a back. I think he's a sustaining back,

John. That's what he is. He could be a foundation runner. You know, don't forget it's Arthur Smith. They would love to have a foundation runner. If you have a decent O line, and you give a guy like Alger, 250 carries, he'll gain 1,100 yards. I mean, he may not be special, but he'll gain 1100 yards. He kind of reminded me, there were two backs he kind of reminded me of. And for you guys, I don't know if everybody knows how I do this, but I don't sit around after I watch someone and think for 20 minutes, God, who does this guy remind me of?

It either hits me or it doesn't hit me. And there were two guys he kind of reminded me of, Jordan Howard and Alexander Madison. That's who Tyler Ozu, you're kind of reminding me of. Well, Jordan Howard had that big rookie here in Chicago. Adam, what is the leash on Mr. Mariotta here with Desmond Ritter now in tow here? Ritter, you know, played four years, you know, three-year starter, winner, all that stuff. It's going to have a couple things.

How well does he understand the offense that Arthur Smith and Dave Ragoner put together? Oh, little note on Algier. Here's what the Falcons told me yesterday. They had a real problem. Whenever they would get a lead, they could not sustain it by when they wanted to run the football. They see Algier as that guy. So I'm not saying he's going to be the starter week one.

Patterson, they're paying him decent coins, so he's obviously going to be involved. But the closer to each game could be Alger, which for fantasy, John, for what you guys doing projections. He actually could get a decent amount of touchdowns, and he's a tank. I don't know if you've got seen him run. He's old school in between the tackles,

and he's a guy could hit a lot of volume, they think. So just keep that on that. He's not stiff either. He moves a little bit. You know, he's got some. I mean, you know, you probably run as fast as he does, based on what I've heard. But, you know, he is what he is.

But he's a powerback. So getting back to your question on Mariotta, I would say this. I know they're not saying this, but I know Marioata's history with injury, which is very significant. And Greg is outlined on everything we've done with Greg before, his issues with Wade Frozen and mechanically some stuff.

I get that Ritter was a third-round pick. This is sort of one of these situations, John, where you can look at him as a second-round pick. It could be their future starter. We're not surprised to me. I know they're not opening up the competition per se right now. What if Ritter tears it up in training camp? Would it shock you if he's a starter week one?

I mean, it'd be surprising, but not shocking because Mario has been... not, I'm not, yeah, I'm not ruling anything out here because this is, this is, this is a guy that has got a lot of ability. I know the league was mixed on Ritter. They don't always get it right. I'm a little bit higher on them than most people are. I know what he, I know what the issues are from talking to quarterback coaches with his mechanics and, and, and, and, uh, set up and getting his body squared up. But he's, when he's good, he's, he looks like a pro quarterback. And I, we kind know who Mario, Mariotta is here? So, you know, the question is for passing game. So we know that Drake will start on the outside. We know that Tate and Sechias will compete for the other job.

But this is, John, this is probably the bottom staff, the receiver point in the league right now, I would say. Yeah, Greg, clearly Arthur Smith likes foundational volume backs and he likes big, tall receivers. But, you know, can you even compare Drake London's situation with that of A.J. Brown several years ago, you know, they had Corey Davis there. They had a better quarterback situation here. I mean, Drake London is going to get targets, we know. But your thoughts on, you know, his ability to catch a decent number of balls make plays here in the NFL. Kyle Pitts on the field will probably help your thoughts on London as a Falcon. Who are we talking to? Oh, no, you, Greg. Sorry. That was directed to you. Oh, I mean, they need receivers. They have.

obviously like Drake London or they were to draft them with the eighth pick in the draft. I think within the context of that offense, he can line up in multiple spots. You know, he's not necessarily an explosive player. Kyle Pitts is more explosive than Drake London. You know, London is a size length hands receiver. He's smooth. He's fluid. He made his living in college making contested catches.

I imagine he'll do some of that in the NFL. He does have phenomenal body control. he can play above the rim. That's his game. So, you know, look, he'll be the guy because he and Pitts will be the guy because they don't have much else. My question here, Greg, was with what Arthur Smith can do, you viewed London on your tape study as somebody who might profile best as a big slot. Correct. Is there a chance that, like, they view it the same way?

And I'm not necessarily saying that I think they drafted them. to play X just based on where they drafted them. But how often could we see actually kind of them flipping the script and putting Kyle Pitts at X and moving London inside? Is that a thing? They'll do that a lot. Yeah. Kyle Pitts, Pitts lined up at X a lot last year.

And he's actually a more explosive vertical dimension than London is. So I think you'll see that a lot. I think London will be all over the formation. London is not contrary to what a lot of people thought, you know, draft gurus. London is not Mike Evans or Mike Williams. That he is not. Not many dudes like Mike Evans, that's for sure. Might be a hall fam or some day job.

Yeah. Yeah. Greg, what one for London? What's that? Greg, what was your comparison for London? Marcus Colston. Oh, yeah, wow. Yeah, yeah.

By the way, Colston called 700 passes in the end of it. Yeah. I know. Well, yeah, people view that as a negative. Sean Pate. People view that as a negative. Marcus Colton was pretty good. Yeah.

Well, that's because the Evans-Williams comparison was out there before I watched London. So when I said that after I watched London's tape, you know, people thought I was ripping him. But he's not Mike Evans or Mike Williams. Carolina Panthers does move along here. Matt Corral out of him should get a crack. here at the starting gig, unless Sam Arnold lights it up. They're not, just so you know, they're not approaching it that way. They're not, Matt Corral, you know, without speaking out of turn here, you know, I don't want

to speak for him, but I'm sure you're aware there's just some issues with him. He was very public about it. The media in Carolina, they knew this, Carolina knew this. That's why he dropped the third round, was not a late, first, early second round pick. The only quarterback they were going to take in this draft was Matt Correll. They didn't get him. They probably would have gotten into the Baker Mayfield to each stakes. But this is a guy they identified.

like his traits. He could throw it. He had a great meeting with them. They have a plan for him, but it's not to start week one. It would not only would Darno have to be terrible. He'd have to be exceptional in training camp, and then they feel like he's, he could handle everything that's thrown at him. It's going to be, this is going to be a process. They're not going to rush this. They like the kid. They do a lot of homework. Well, you say that, but I'd talk to them like five times about this kid. Well, when I say they're not going to rush it, the games are going to force them to rush it because Well, no, no, but you're not less. You're not really listening to him.

Let me explain to you. If Donald's terrible, which could happen in training camp, and Matt Corral, they think is really head, they're going to have a decision made. But they don't, this is a very, this is not your typical, this guy was not a first round fit. There's some issues with Corral, okay? This is not a normal quarterback here.

There's some stuff I'm not going to get into, which has been documented. This is not a normal situation. I'll leave it at that. So they ordinarily, yes, Greg, they would rush this if they had to. Well, I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it that way, Adam. I meant this, that when they're one and four after five games and Donald has three

touchdowns and seven interceptions, Matt Carrell is going to play. Well, I think you would be the quarterback then. I think that that kind of, it could be anyone, but that's not my point. My point is that. No, so we're essentially saying that, I know what you're pointing. We're essentially saying the same thing. Yeah. I don't want that to be the case.

No. That's what's going to happen because otherwise my rule is going to lose his job. Look, we all know who Darnold is, but getting back to their offense, Foreman should be the two. That's why they signed him because they saw last year, Chuba Hubbard cannot be the two. He's just, he's a change job. I think they kind of learned that.

Form did a great job, filling in for Henry. And then the question then is here at receiver, can Terse Marshall get in the field? He was hurt, what he was drafted. did what's not much of a factor. Then Robbie Anderson, you know, was on the last year of his deal. DJ Moore, they signed and, you know, what they did at left tackle. Boy, I'll tell you what, they added four new starters.

How about that, the offensive one. At least three. He got to be an upgrade to left tackle, Ikea Kuanu. Is he ready, though, to, you know, settle in and, you know, give us at least solid play right away at left tackle? I imagine he will. A lot of people saw him as a guard, but they're going to play a play. on a left tackle and that's fine.

That's what he played in college. Although he did start four games at offensive guard in the 2020 season. I know a lot of coaches I talk to said he could be an all pro guard from day one. And they didn't really feel that he was, that tackle was his best spot. But that's where he's going to play for Carolina. And I think I think he'll probably be okay. He'll have some opponents that give him problems because he has some clear inefficiencies in pass protection.

As a run blocker, he's a limited. in a good way. Yeah, okay. And Adam, you think that they've upgraded this line to the point where it's not a deficiency? No, we would always laugh on your show if the other line was. Well, if you look at it, right, they'll keep the kid at right tackle. Aguano will be their left tackle, who's got long arm for a guy who's only six-four. Bozeman, they got a steal because Bozeman turned out an extension with Baltimore last season for stupid will be their center they traded for corbett i mean they signed corbett who started in the

super bowl for the rams off line's not great he's a little we'll see if he starts but if you just and i well actually i want to ask greg about kate maz in a second but overall john they've upgraded this thing significantly another thing they love this brady christians and how to play a lot last year they were shocked at he played he went up playing getting snaps at least three positions last year so this you're right john this is this is a much upgraded offensive line is the top 10 no but it's at least in the middle well we can move on without the cave may's talk we can well he actually he actually i heard something about him pretty good so we'll see all right well more depth on the o line here john rick i wanted to ask adam about terrace marshal uh because i think

it's what what was the deal like why couldn't he get on the field was it injuries like do you have yeah he uh he had a he had a something wrong with his foot i was told when he was drafted It was corrected. Whatever the issue was, they got it under control. And it just, they kind of, you know, it was going to be two-receiver offense anyway between Moran and Anderson. And that, no, could Marshall start on the outside after the down with Robbie? Yeah, sure.

And by the way, to give you a little example, it wasn't, I don't think it got out there, but they bought, they shockingly brought Garrett Wilson in for a pre-draft visit, which I thought was interesting, considering they didn't really need it. receiver. What does that tell me that after the season, someone's going to be playing opposite DJ Moore, someone else? Yeah, they also brought in maybe a little bit of an insurance plan on Marshall with Richard Higgins who can play inside. He was a bigger guy. Yeah, that's just special. He'll play on specials. He's a fourth receiver.

Yeah, yeah. New Orleans Saints as we move along here, obviously Chris Olive, the big addition. Greg, you did not love, though, the left tackle that they drafted Trevor Penning. I thought maybe the charges would get them and put him at right tackle, which I think would have been better. But Trevor Penning replacing Tehran Armstead drop off here, but, you know, potentially a big one? I think so. But again, he was all over people's boards. Penning is the thing about penning is his measurables at the combine were off the charts for a man that size.

He does not play that way. but his measurables are off the charts. So I'm sure coaches think, hey, you know what? When I'm starting with that, I can make him into a player. Plus, he played obviously at a smaller level of college football, and he had a tendency, which they'll get rid of immediately in the NFL, of just throwing guys to the ground at the end of plays. And, you know, because he played at a smaller level of college football,

he was throwing down, you know, 225-pound defensive ends, and then people said, boy, he's competitive and he's tough. Well, that won't happen in the end. NFL, and I imagine that a coach or a veteran will call him over and say, we don't do that in the NFL. But he's super athletic in terms of his measurables. I just think he needs work. Otherwise, not much going on here.

Well, I think Chris Olive is in a good spot because Chris Olive is not a number one. He's not an alpha dog, but they got an alpha dog. So Alave is in a good spot. I mean, you can debate whether they should have traded up, you know, to get Alavi. I think he fits what they are and what they want. Because Winston throws a very good deep ball. Thomas is the guy, assuming health. He's back.

And Alave is an intermediate and vertical guy. Alabe is not going to be a third down guy. He's not physical. He's not going to make tough catches in the middle. He's smooth and fluid. That's Alave. Let me give you 30 seconds, my 30 second overview. We know about James coming off the ACL.

Dalton will be the backup. We'll see legal season. We know that Ingram will be the backup. Then at receiver, you know, it's interesting. Greg knows this because I, you know, we all, we know a lobby is more of a finesse receiver and I'm being kind. There's some other stuff people say about him, but he's explosive. What I think John is going to be interesting is because they have so many tight ends. You know, everybody knows Tacey Mills going to be a tight end now.

They can be super heavy. Now remember Pete Carmuckle calling the plays. No more to Sean Payton. So are they going to be heavy 12 personnel? Are they going to, because we know that Calloway, despite. what people think about it is not a bad player. So, and Trequan Smith is back on a multi-year deal. So, John, here's the question.

Are they getting more heavy 11 or 12? I would say they mix and match it because don't they still have Deonté Harris, a. A.k.a. Deonté Hardy. Well, here's the thing, Deonté Hardy. I think he'll be let. My senses will be more of a returner than a receiver of golf board. That's what I think.

Okay. But between Trequan, Deante, and Calloway, you know, they do have options for a third guy on the field. Sure. And Troutman, who's back from injury and Joanne Johnson, who like, man, he's got something in him. Yeah. Joanne Johnson out of South Jersey, but I don't know what to do with Troutman with Tate some Hill now. I mean, yeah, I look, they're stuck with, you won't not believe the contract that he has. They're stuck with him. And theoretically, John, so we can move on here, This contract's so bad. The money that they would owe

if they cut them next year, pretty significant. So this is going to be two-year project. Right now, based on this contract, Jason Hill. Based on your knowledge, base, and experience, are we looking at Alvin Kamara getting suspended?

Well, the information that's the tape, the video that's out there is everything that the law enforcement has is not good. So I think your theory is right, but we can't You never say never with this stuff. We know about it happened with Tyree Kilp because there was no video. Yeah, they're apparently kicking the tires on Sony Michelle.

Right. Abram Smith, I thought, was a good pickup free agent. I mean, I could see him making that team because dude plays a lot of different positions. Then Tampa here, Greg, you were, I was so glad when I went to the senior bowl and I just, I'm watching Rashad White. I'm like, I like this guy, you know. Very glad that your review. of him was positive that that absolutely helped my opinion for sure and i i kind of like this fit i

think he might be a better receiver already than leonard uh talk about the fit there i i think you know he's similar to leonard you know and a big guy um i like it rashott white and tampa gregg talk about yeah i like you know i i thought he was the second best receiving back in the class behind James Cook. So I think it's a really good spot. And plus he's 215 pounds. He's not a little guy. So if you put him out on the field, you know, assuming that happens, it's not, oh, they're passing the ball. You know, you can run with him as well. He's got some size to him. I also really like the Kate Otten pick. I think there's a lot there with Kate Otten as a receiver. He's kind of long and lean. He's not one of those big heavy tight ends. I think he's about 6-5-2-45. I think there's a lot

to unlock and unleash with him as a receiver, as a three-level receiver. I think he can run the seams. I think he can run some vertical routes. He certainly can run intermediate routes. I thought that was a good pick. Yeah, no doubt. Are we concerned at all about the reshuffling up front? And, you know, the interior office of line changes, basically.

I mean, they did a hell of a job replacing these guys, but, you know, the continuity could be disrupted. And, you know, that's a little bit of a concern with an old quarterback like Brady. Gidecki kid, I know I have offensive line coaches I'm close with who like to be Dackey more in pending. They think Gadecki is a better football player, same school in Central Michigan and think? All right. No, you're talking about Raymond.

Oh, okay. Whoever they have. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Wait, okay. Okay.

I got you. Got you. But you're right. There were people who liked him better than Raymond. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. one.

Greg, do you have any concern, you know, losing, you know, the center, Ali Marpet? Well, the center's still there. Ryan Jensen's still there. Oh, right, right, right. They lost the guards. They lost the guards. So Shaq Mason is going to, he's there now. So obviously Brady knows him.

He's going to be the right guard. I assume Stiniel will be the left guard. Yeah. Because you never know with a rookie, you know. Gedecki, they might, obviously, I liked him. He was a second round pick, but you don't know if he's automatically. going to be the starter. Yeah.

And they still got a boatload of receivers. Oh, my God. I think everyone likes the Russell Gage edition, Greg. Yep. Your tape study there, what did it reveal that he's more than a slot receiver? Dude was lying outside. John, I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's Julian Edelman,

but Russell Gage is that kind of player in terms of understanding how to run routes, understanding how to get open. He's slight. He's not really an out. outside receiver in a strict sense. They might do that with him. That depends on how they see Godwin, who I think can line up outside.

So we'll see. I think they're going to mix and match a lot. Yeah, yeah. I can see that because Godwin and gauge, you know, both inside, outside type of guys. And, yeah, Adam, anything on Godwin's recovery that's out there, by the way? Clean ACL is it.

It's just, you know, in the off season, there's really nothing. You just, you see where he is. And if he's able to get on the field, during their mandatory camp in June. I'll tell you what, because this is all you need to know. The fact that they signed to an extension when they could have just tagging them again

tells you they must feel really confident about his knee. That's risky to me. But they obviously know better they have them. We were scheduled to stop at one. So what do we think here, guys? Greg, do you need to run? Well, how much longer do you think we'll go, John? I mean, I think we could barrel through the NFC West in 20 minutes.

15. Let's make it 15. 15? All right, screw it. Let's do it. Arizona, quickly, D-Hop, that's a problem. You know, you bring in Hollywood, of course. You know, Greg, based on what we saw last year,

can we have any confidence in the Cardinals and Rondale Moore? I mean, that's where I'm going to go, because I think we know Hollywood is a good player and it's going to probably fit in pretty well here. But did you see anything out of Rondell Moore and the utilization of Rondell Moore that leaves you somewhat encouraged this year with this huge need that they have?

Well, I think Rondell Moore is probably a lot like Gwondell Robinson. I mean, I think you're dealing with guys that are smaller, have some explosiveness to them, but they're not true receivers in a strict sense. You know, I think Moore works well when you have Hopkins and when you have other receivers. And I don't want to say he's a gadget receiver, but he's a certain kind of receiver that has to fit with other guys. I kind of felt like they morphed into a tight end friendly offense. They play more 12 personnel. than you think, by the way.

And they drafted the best tight end in this class, Train McBride in the second round. So obviously they still have Zach Earts. Max Williams could well be back. You could see a lot more, particularly with Hopkins out for six games. You could definitely see a lot more 12 personnel. Oh, yeah. And that is why I had Zach Earts, pretty high up on our board there.

Yep. Greg, I don't think you saw Keonté Ingram out of USA, or did you? I did not see Keanu. No. Okay, well, you know, a little redundant to Connor, Adam, you know, and that he's a bigger guy. That's got to be the Connor handcuff right now. Yeah, because they don't, Jalen Samuels is there. Who knows they may add a veteran during training camp. But with Conner's injury history, the backup you know is going to play.

There's just no question about it. I'll take a look, John and Ingram, because, you know, Joe and I talked about that. I just didn't get to him, but I can take a look at him. Okay. Yeah. And then, look, they have a couple offensive line changes, a little movement, and we'll see if Will Hernandez, I assume he'll start. But the big thing, Greg touched on it. Certainly when Kingsbury campaign, there was no history of him using the tight end, but it's kind of more good for him.

He learned in the NFL. I mean, you know, that's the way it goes. And when you spend that kind of money on Zach Ertz, then you spend a second round people on Tray McBride. They're telling you they're going to be 12 personnel, John, heavy, I would think. Yeah, and then the splits with and without. D. Hop are really bad for Hollywood, for Murray, but Hollywood here.

You know, a different type of player. You know, Hollywood was a volume guy last year, but I think it'll be pretty good. Certainly, I don't know about D-Hop going forward, though. Sam Fran, let's move on here. John, just don't forget

that Murray was Hollywood's college quarterback, so there's a place to get there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, of course. Of course, that's why I glossed over that, but, you know, he's happy. And, you know, Hollywood, for what it's worth, the dude caught over 90 balls, and he's like, yeah, give me out of here. I mean, I thought that was somewhat revealing.

San Fran, and we don't know about the quarterback. I think it's going to be Tray Lance dad, Danny Gray. I liked him a lot at the Senior Bowl, Greg. Add some speed here. I think he's more than just a speed guy, though. Danny Gray, Greg, fitting in here for the Niners. So what do you think? Yeah, I thought, I'm looking at my notes right now.

I thought that, you know, he certainly got speed, obviously, and that shows up on tape. He's got a track background. I wouldn't say he's a refined route runner, but he's more than a track man playing receiver. He can be a factor at all three levels. I think he needs work on his hands, John. He had a lot of drops that were really problematic. Now, it improved a bit as the season went on. And with his hands, I thought his route running didn't improve a little bit too.

So I'm sure they saw that on tape and figured they could continue that. He played a lot of snaps at Boundary X. I don't believe he'll be a Boundary X in the NFL. I think if he were to play with the Niners and getting meaningful snaps, I think he'd be a movement guy. Yeah, I actually have a video of him catching a rocket from Malik Willis at the Senior Bowl. It happened right in front of me. and he double caught it, I believe, but that's to your point.

By the way, one other guy that absolutely needs to be mentioned is Davis Price. Davis Price is a really good running back prospect, and you know when running backs go to the 49ers, particularly a third round pick, he's going to, because Eliza Mitchell is smaller and he could get hurt again. It's just, you know, the way he runs and the fact that he's smaller, don't sleep on Davis Price, John, here. Yeah, I mean, you know, they took him early. than Sermon last year, I believe. And Davis Price is a really good prospect, really good. Better than, not as good as Sermon, is he?

Or was? Sermon was. I would, I would say yes, he's better. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, R.P. Trey Sermon, I guess, because he's, it's not good. It's not good.

Well, John, I think by taking Davis Price in the third round, they think he's better than third. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. That's true. That's true. One of the Ty Davis Price pick is that Debo doesn't want to play running back anymore. And they're just going to, hey, you know, we gave Debo as 8 to 12 carries. We'll shuffle that down to 4 to 6 and give Ty Davis Price, you know, quite a bit more and let him play with Mitchell. Because Mitchell was getting 20 to 25 carries a game.

I don't think they want to do that. I don't think you can do that for $7. You're small. Yeah. A lot of people speculating that Davis Price, and even the Danny Gray selections were maybe here, Debo, you know, here's some other players that, you know, we can give the ball to and not rely on you so much. Maybe so.

It's, it's, I don't see. I'm not sure. Their receiver depth was so bad. They had to do something. So. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean, Juan Jennings was a pretty good story,

but he's just like a role player, you know, big middle of the field type of guy. Seattle, well, we don't have much. at receiver here. Well, Seattle told everything about what they're going to be by how they drafted. Because they drafted to be a running football team and a defensive football team. So that's what Seattle's going to be. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

You know, at the time, I didn't love the Walker pick, but it didn't take me long to really think it through and think, well, Carson's probably done at them. I mean, this is not good. And then, you know, if you're betting on Walker or Penny, I think, you know, based on Penny's track record, bet on Walker. Yeah, I would I would bet on Walker be the main ball carrier. How they distribute the carriers, we'll see. We'll know until training camp to get a bright idea. But I would expect Walker of in the end this season to be the guy.

Whether it's week one, week five, I expect me the guy. Who you think Walker will be the guy? Yes, I do. Interesting. Penny was so good down the street. I know. He's unbelievable. He's just not dependable.

He's on a one-year deal. And Walker, they spent a second-round pick on him. So, yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. I can't wait to see their distribution, though. That's fascinating. I just can't. But the thing, the story of this thing, before we move on to the last team,

it's the fact that they didn't add a quarterback. Just, it's crazy. I mean, I know they've got time. Well, and Baker Mayfield got miraculously cut. You know, like, you know, I had a GM tell me that he thinks that'll happen because no one will take them because it's $18 million fully guaranteed. Nobody wants it. And plus he's coming off surgery.

No, that. they would have to be involved. They have to get enough. They cannot go. I get they want to hide the quarterbacks, whoever the hell it is. But you cannot take this team seriously with these quarterbacks.

It's ridiculous. Who's going to be the receiving third downback is what I really want to know. I mean, I thought. They want to Eskridge. They want to, I'm just telling you, talking to them. Eskridge had two concussions

that just wiped out of season. They want him to be heavily involved. Yeah, I could see them wanting him to win the third job over Freddie Swain. Well, no, but he'll be. Eskridge will probably play a bit inside. That's, they didn't, well, Lockett can do it because he's done it, but I would think

Eskridge would play inside quite a bit. I thought Penny was a good receiver coming out of school. I guess not. I mean, I don't know what I'm thinking here. Rashad? Yeah. When they've asked him to do it, he's had some plays, but, yeah. Yeah.

Well, who's going to be the pass catching back here, the third down back? Because don't tell me Travis Homer, because I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It is not like Carson when Carson could do that. I don't know if Walker's ready to do that. I don't know.

I don't know. I know. And DJ Dallas, by the way, can do it too. He's actually not a bad receiver. They have so many Darwin Thompson's on that team. Well, look at this. We did this pretty quickly, so it's not too bad here. And the Rams.

I will say what I did, and I told the guys this, but I did all the projections individual. I did the quarterbacks and all the skill players. So then I went back and I added up all the production that I gave to the skill players And I compared it to the quarterbacks to see them it lined up number one 31 out of 32 times it lined up except for the ramps I had Stafford with like a thousand yards more than I had their receivers accumulating So I told me like wow they're they're pretty thin and receiver and looks like right now

They're counting on Cooper Cup to have another like dream all-time great season. Wait a minute. They've got three guys. Jefferson, A. Rob, and Cup. I mean, I don't know what I mean. Well, I think what is you're looking at is they're looking to replace like

Robert Beckham or Odell Woods. You know, like the Robert Woods and Odell Beckham production, I don't think Alan Robinson can meet that. Van Jefferson kind of underwhelmed. Yeah, I see what you mean. The thing with A-Rob is,

We've been trying to figure out, like, okay, we know a cup is, we know Cup is their slot receiver generally. Or A. Rob, I mean, he just doesn't run that well. And the Bears must have said to me a hard time if we want to be our slot receiver. So how's this going to be a line, you know? I don't love it. Greg, I don't know if you have any thoughts here. I mean, the Super Bowl champs, they lost, you know, Andrew Whitworth. I mean, that is big, you know.

I mean, a couple of other two starters on the O'Line. Odell will see. No Robert Woods. Van Jefferson kind of underwhelmed. Alan Robinson's coming off a terrible year. We don't know about Cam Acres. Wow. I mean, it just seems to me like if their screwed up

doesn't catch like another 150 balls. You got them going 0.17, John? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just pointing it out. I don't like Stafford this year for Fantasy at all. I liked them a lot last year. I'm out. You guys, I mean, am I crazy?

It just seems like they're a little thin. I would disagree with you. Okay. Why? You like the Al Robinson addition a lot? I mean, I think the receivers are still pretty solid. I think Stappard's pretty good. They're going to run the ball. I mean, I'm not saying that it'll be the number one offense in the league, but I don't think they'll be what you think they're going to be. Well, I guess we're all thinking the same thing here. Expectation's going to be way up here, you know, based on Stafford's career, last year and all that. I don't think they're going to be awful, but I don't know if they're going to meet the expectations here.

Wasn't Van Jefferson, Greg? I thought I was very underwhelmed by Van Jefferson, especially in the second half. Well, he was their third receiver. So, I mean, he filled a role for them. They used him in a specific way, John. Yeah, he was their vertical after they lost details. I know.

Yeah, he fought 55, 60 balls. That was surprising that they took shot plays with him. Yeah. All right, well, I'm about Tutu Atwell, too. I mean, maybe he can help. I don't know. He's so small. I was at the training camp.

I couldn't believe. I mean, I know what his measurements were at the combine, but it's even smaller, do you think? Yeah, I think he ballooned up to 150, though, Adam. I don't see it. Yeah, and Tyler Higbee underwhelms me. I mean, they brought in Kairn Williams. We'll see.

I mean, they haven't necessarily used the third down back. They kind of rotate every down backs kind of. Yeah, I wonder for the big committee. I do wonder, like, I know Akers will be the lead back, but what does that mean? Does it mean 60-40 split, touch split between he and Henderson? Don't know. Yeah, don't know. They tried Jake Falkman.

That didn't do anything. But, you know, again, this is all kind of a moot point, Adam. If O'Dell is healthy. Well, they need him. Yeah, they want him back because they want his experience. I just, I hear what you're saying, though. I'm looking for explosion. I know by scheme, they'll create play for these guys.

Just wish they had one guy that could fly. You run relatively well on the outside. But we'll see. All right. Well, I guess that's it. So we weren't that bad. Anybody else have any final questions, thoughts on the Rams here? This is a little bit more of a fly-in-the-wall moment.

As the guys should sit back and, you know, we talk. all the time just as a staff, but, you know, not every day or week do we get Greg and Adam in the mix. And this is what we do right after the draft. We're calling it the town hall. We just wrapped up the NFC. So obviously, check that out. If you didn't catch every minute of it, a lot of great insight. We went pretty quickly.

We didn't really belabor points. And then early next week, Tuesday, we'll reconvene. I'll have my stuff together a little bit better. We won't be running a little bit late. and we'll do the FFC and we'll bang it out and that'll wrap it up here we thank our guy

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