Fantasy Football Daily - 2022 Take Talk Episode 17

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

Fantasy Points' own Joe Dolan (FG_Dolan) joins Brett Whitefield (@BGWhitefield) and Steven ORourke (@callmesteveo7) to talk about how the Philadelphia Eagles built their team as well as interesting trade scenarios ahead of Tuesday's 4 pm trade deadline. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time for the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoints.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Welcome in to another episode of the Take Talk podcast. I am your host, Brett Whitefield, with my usual co-host, Stephen O'Rourke, and today we have another amazing guest for guest Friday. Please welcome to the show, Fantasy Points own Joe Dolan. What's up, my man?

Yo, Brett, you know, Steve, what's going on? It's good to be with you guys. I've been a fan of the podcast ever since you started recording it. Brett, you asked me at like 7.30 this morning, do you want to be on it? I'm like, what else am I doing? Yeah, of course, especially when he said we're going to talk birds. I feel like I can BS about them for a half an hour pretty easily. It's great to be with you guys.

O'Rourke, it's good to see your smiling face. I haven't seen it since Canton. I know. My friend. It's good to be. It's just good to be here. Glad to chop it up with you guys. Heck yeah, man. For the listeners who don't know, I don't know why you wouldn't know, but Joe is a founding member of the company here at Fantasy Points. He is, you know, one of the many awesome decision makers we have at the top. And it's honestly a pleasure to have them. And I know we've been wanting to have this Eagles kind of team building discussion for a while as we've kind of gone through these team building conversations. and Joe, I'd like to start by just asking you, why do people keep answering Howie Roseman's phone calls?

I don't know. And especially something that includes like a future pick. And you know, the Robert Quinn trade, let's put it. Like the guy's an impending free agent. He's what, 32, 33 years old. His production's been down this year, though I think there's good reasons why for that. And the Bears are a team that like, we're not. winning games this year. We're not trying to win games this year. Let's just get some picks for the

future. I, you know, I understand that from the Bears perspective. But when it comes to like, I just keep going back to the Saints trade on, on draft day. Now look, Chris Olavi, and I'll fully admit Chris Oliva's outproduced my expectations for him. But right now, Chris Olivae cost the Saints two first round picks, including a top five draft pick. And I'm just not. not sure. I think Howie just takes advantage of people who are desperate. Like, they're desperate to make an impact. I just feel like Howie is just very attuned to reading when somebody is just in deal-making mode. Tennessee did not want to pay AJ Brown. Well, Howie's like, all right, I'm not going to low-ball you. I'm going to give you a first-round pick for him, but you don't want

to pay them and we do. So we'll make that decision. for you. I don't know. He's just really good at that. And I have to admit, like, I completely had lost faith in Roseman, as Philadelphia's relationship with Howard Roseman is very complicated. But, like, when he made the Jalen Hertz pick, it was one of those things where I'm, oh, God, this is, talk about a galaxy brain move. And it turns out it was maybe one of the single smart artist draft picks we've seen in the last like five years, if not more than that. And so props off to Howie, man. I just, if I'm a general manager, I don't know why I pick up the phone. I think it's, I think general managers know how he's willing to make a deal, which is,

which if you're desperate, you know, he's going to, he's going to give you what you want. Yeah. For sure. One of the things, well, actually, you have a couple points I want to piggyback on. The, the losing faith in Howie thing is so true, man. When I, I remember talking to Chris Weck, a couple years ago saying, you know what? I think when Joe Douglas left for the Jets, it broke how he's brain because it seemed like he wasn't making as many good moves. And then all of a sudden, he just flipped the switch back on. And he's like back in the driver's seat going full force.

But man, the desperation thing is so crucial to what he does. I think that's so true. I mean, the Bears trade that they made with Robert Quinn. It's just, it's incredible because he only got up a fourth round pick for a guy that can probably really helped this franchise and what looks like a title contention year. And they convinced them to eat all of the cost. And I don't know if you saw Schefter's tweet this morning. You know, Quinn actually had two more years on that deal of a pretty hefty salary.

And they got the bears to agree to basically eat those years too. And they actually removed them from his contract. So they don't, yeah. So they have no strings attached to this guy who is probably a little overpaid but could help them. And the only thing it costs them is $700,000 and a fourth round pick. I mean, it's genius roster building. And a fourth round pick, by the way, that they're going to easily recoup value when they inevitably trade down with the Saints pick.

Right. Like, which is like, so I put this tweet out there the other day and I said, how much you want to bet Howie Roseman makes two first round picks this year and still is able to kick one down the road to next year in a trade with a desperate team? Like, yeah. You know, like, let's just, if the same season, best case scenario for the Eagles is it goes completely sideways. Like, I saw Aaron shots of football outsiders, like running simulations, you know, for the rest of the season. He said in one out of every hundred simulations that football outsiders runs, the Eagles win the Super Bowl and get the first overall pick in the NFL draft.

Oh my God. That's ridiculous. Like, I mean, does that ever happen before? I was just about to ask that And I like The minute I thought that I was like there's no way Because how like

I mean So I feel like we haven't seen this minute This much like draft pick movement Yeah Like until out of late really When um When the 49ers drafted Jerry Rice

Um I feel like they had a pretty high draft pick In that year Um So actually they picked 16th, despite, I believe, coming off a Super Bowl championship. So they did some trading up. And that's the only thing I can even like remember coming close. Dallas traded up to get Russell Maryland at first overall,

but I don't think they were coming off the Super Bowl at the time. When that happened, as a matter of fact, I might have come on the heels of the one in 15 season. No, I have to imagine winning the Super Bowl and picking first in the draft has never happened. I mean, winning this Super Bowl and going top. It's 10 is crazy. Yeah. I can't even think of an example of that.

Howie also, here's the other thing with the Saints, guys. Howie also, I think, saw Mickey Loomis and correctly evaluated the Saints saying, like, this team's not that good. Like, they think they're better than they are. Ergo, they think they're giving me a pick in the 20s, which, by the way, I'll take. You know, if that's what happens, that's what. happens. But I think this is a deal I really want to make because I believe this could be a really good traffic. I think he just, he, like, Mickey Loomis going with this kind of weird all in move

when you don't have Joe Breezing, you just lost Sean Payton. That was just how he Roseman saying, like, what are the ways this can really work out for us? And he's just really good at that. And just taking advantage of, frankly, delusional people. Like, Mickey Loomis. And Loomis, and Loomis, is a victim of his own success because a lot of this all-in stuff has worked for them. But it worked for them in large part because they had Sean Payton and Drew Brees. And they don't have anything. Something I compiled a list of all like the the trades they've made, not all of them, but a good amount of them the last few years. And so two things really dramatically stick out to me.

I'm going to read you a list of players and you guys try to tell me what they have in common. Yeah. Some of these trades are small. Small-time trades, by the way. But there's an overwhelming theme I want to get to. Chauncey Gardner Johnson, Hugo Amati, Carrie Vincent Jr., Tay Gowan, Josiah Scott, Darius Slay. They're all defensive backs. They're all defensive backs.

Cornerback play in the NFL is so vastly important. And it's so underrated by most NFL teams. And I know the Eagles have one of the best analytics departments in the league. There is no doubt they're telling how we, if we don't like to keep the cornerbacks that we have, we have to go out and acquire new ones. And even though the Kerry Vincent trade, they gave up a six for Carrie Vincent, it didn't work. Who cares?

They traded Ertz for Tay Gowan and a fifth. Who cares? It didn't work. Who cares? But they're constantly overturning that roster, trying to find CB play. And guess what? They ended up getting Darius Slay,

one of the best cornerbacks in the league for a third and a fifth round pick. Again, trading with a team that was desperate. And then Chon Taked Under Johnson this year, one of the best slot corner safety hybrid combos in the league, they get him for a fifth and a 2024-6th. Like, it's ridiculous.

I remember when this, when that trade went down, I went over to Saints Reddit before like the compensation was out and they're like, oh, we're getting our one back. Like, like, we're going to get the one back, you know? So here's the interesting thing about the Eagles defensive backs. And, you know, I think Howie's been knocked for having an ego and maybe at one point he did. I mean, I think to be in this business, you've got to have an ego. like right um but like look at their

look at their starting secondary okay Darius sleigh James Bradbury Marcus Epps uh C.J Gardner Johnson Avanti Maddox are their top five defensive backs the Eagles drafted one of those guys right Maddox is the only homegrown corner or defensive defense back in their starting lineup now Kvonne they drafted Kamalas who's a special team

but but like all right we messed this up instead of waiting until next year and draft in a first round corner who might not work out. And if he works out, it might take a year or two for him to work out. We're just going to go. Yep. It's going to go trade for Darius Lay. We're going to sign James Bradbury. And the other thing about Howie, too, and there's a lot of luck involved in this, right? The Eagles had to trade to. Darius Slay was their backup plan. They wanted to sign Byron Jones. That's right. Right. You got lucky there, right? Right.

Jay Brown was like their 12th backup plan at wide receiver. They wanted to, they wanted to sign Alan Robinson. I have it on good authority. They thought they signed Alan Robinson. Oh, wow. That would have been terrible. So, right.

So, like, you also, like, there's luck involved in all this, but it's also like, oh, we missed our window. Can't, now we're just going to, no, no, no. The thing is, Howie Roseman never sits on his laurels, and I really respect that about him. Like you said, Brett, not everything works out. but you trade a you trade a six round pick they traded a six round pick for josiah scott okay now to eagle fans that's not that's not a big deal and it probably isn't but avonte maddox missed you missed two games and

josiah scott prayed pretty good in those two games so you know and he's a core special teamer for you exactly so you so you look at that and just say like it's possible without josiah scott playing solid defense you know maybe against christian kirk in the jacksonville game or like making a solid play against Ron Dale Moore in the Arizona game, the Eagles have lost a game. So that's picking up a win on the margins with the six-round pit. And that's the thing is it's not like, it's not like Howie Roseman is taking these huge, like,

swing for the fences. They're like, like, they're just like value plays. Like anybody could have. It's money ball. Like anybody could add James Bradbury. Bradbury. It's not like they signed him to this monumental contract. Like, he was there for anyone.

The Eagles came. in and got him at a pretty good rate. Chauncey Gardner Johnson, like, it's not like they gave up a ton. And in the end, this is like, it's working because I, Brett, I told you that I told you this yesterday. Joe, I think you'll like this one. The Eagles have played man coverage on 30% of dropbacks. It is easier on just like a per attempt basis.

it's easier to run the ball against every NFL defense than it is to pass the ball against the Philadelphia Eagles man coverage. They're giving up 3.3 yards per attempt on a 6.8 a dot when playing man coverage. That's insane. That's actually insane. It's actually absurd. They are giving up 46% completion percentage, 3.3 yards per attempt on a 6.8. dot. Yeah, I mean, so my question then becomes, why don't you just play man cover more? Like, like, that's what I said. Yeah, like, I know, like, there's a, there's a

give and a take here, right? Like, right? But, like, I mean, the Eagles, this is, secondary had been a big bugaboo for them, like, prior to the slay trade. And sometimes even after the slate trade, because they're, they're rolling out guys who, you know, Stephen Nelson, you know, who's an NFL corner, but, you know, like, the Bradbury thing. And that, that, that, that, that, that, comes to to another thing with the luck part or what's the what's the adage luck is the result of good design or you know something like that right like james bradbury could have signed with anybody but he picked the eagles it wasn't like the eagles were like hey james bradbury's out there he has to sign with us you know like james bradbury who was a free agent who's been one of the best corners in the

nfl this year james james james there are 32 teams in the nfl james bradbury can help yes like not a single team is going to turn down the services of James Bradbury the way he's playing this year, but he picked the Eagles. And I think that's a result of, hey, I see a good roster here, I see Darius Slay, I see leaders on this team, I'm going to pick this team. So, you know, luck is the element of design or whatever the adage is. I think Howie Roseman set himself up well in that regard too. Heck yeah. Another thing I love that how he does too when he's making these trades is I think a lot of NFL teams have the tendency of, of, of under, valuing those mid to late picks and they'll just throw them away for nothing and then they

never try to recoup those so even when he's making these deals where he's given up a sixth he's also flipping a joe flacco for a sixth or a zach ertz for a fifth or matt he got a draft pick for matt prior guys like a guy who wasn't even to make the team he gets a draft pick for him also flipped a broken carson wents for a first and a third like he's constantly adding more picks to the roster or to the to the to the arsenal so then he can either make selections with those or of course deal them out for for a guy like robert or trancey gardener johnson it's it's honestly it's genius stuff i mean and and i also love the look look i think i think the jalen rager pick was a pivotal pick for roseman and because i think roseman twisted himself into a pretzel to make that pick where he's like well we had the slowest off of the first off of

offense in the NFL, we need speed, Jalen Regger has speed, boom, done, we drafted him. And completely just missed the evaluation on Justin Jefferson. I feel like that that picks gotten Roseman to admit some of his faults or his mistakes. You know, like, it does make sense. Like, why would I draft Traylon Burks with this pick when I can just trade for A.J. Brown? Yeah, it's going to cost us money, but I know I'm good with the salary cap. Right. Like that's my, that is arguably my biggest strength.

So I know A.J. Brown's good. If Treylon Burks hits his 99th percentile, then, okay, they have A.J. Brown on a rookie deal and we don't. But what are the odds that Traylon Burks hits his first percentile, you know? Right. Like, I think that's just like, and I think a lot of teams in the NFL are actually starting to realize that now. It wasn't that long ago where the NFL trade deadline, you didn't even realize it was happening. Yeah, true. came and went like nothing you you never even notice it like yeah yeah um the rager pick like looking back on

that too i don't want to absolve them of making the pick but man like they're an analytically forward-thinking team there were every analytic department you know that wasn't an NFL team loved rager whether it was pf or football like his his profile was really attractive to analytic heavy guys I think Eric Eager over at PFF, you know, called him the number one receiver in the draft, analytically. Like, his analytical profile made him obviously not a lot of people agree to that necessarily. But the point is, like, the Eagles weren't the only one that thought that that guy was going to be something. Yeah. So one of the things about this Eagles team, too, is like you can see, like, as analytically aligned as they are,

I think they've done a good job bringing in a coach in Siriani who really relates to the players. and it's clearly a strong clubhouse. And I think one of the things that if you got a Roseman, a couple beers in them, he would say is like they didn't do the best job scouting the people they were drafting. Like Andre Dillard. Now, Dillard,

Dillard has become a quality NFL lineman like once, but like early in his career, he did not have really the mentality to succeed in the NFL. People thought he was a plug and play guy on the office. I don't know what you thought of him coming out, Brett, but there were a lot of folks who thought Dillard was kind of a plug and play. You're getting a solid starter minimum day one, and he was not that.

And like they hadn't, what I remember is they hadn't really met the player. Roseman just saw was like, oh my God, our scouts love Andre Dillard. We didn't even visit with him, but he's falling. Let's go get him.

You know, and I think they mis-evaluated Wence's mentals. Like they thought the kind of hardheadedness, strong-wildness would result in, a strong competitive leader as opposed to someone who thinks his number two doesn't smell. And Reger just, Reger was a disaster from day one because he wasn't able to handle the success of Justin Jefferson and the constant comparisons. And yeah, those are unfair to Reger. He didn't make the draft pick. But I feel like they've really started to go and say, we're going to draft players

from big time programs. Devonte Smith, Landon Dicester. Nicobie Dean, Jordan Davis. Like now they've really, oh, these programs that are kind of NFL franchises, we're going to draft guys from this team because we know they're going to have the makeup to play on this team and they're going to have the makeup to play with a strong leader and Jalen Hertz and all that stuff. I just think that's a fascinating aspect of Roseman's improvement that that doesn't get talked about a lot.

For sure. And which it's a sound strategy with those top picks, those first and second round picks. Like you can afford, as long as long as you. you're drafting high value positions, you can afford to be a little safer, you know? Yeah. Dillard, for me, man, like, his pass pro in college is incredible. But the problem with that is he literally never run blocked in college. And he didn't take a ton of true pass sets because that offense was so quick game, screen heavy. It's like, yeah, he looks good in these reps, but he's only has to pass block for a second and a half, you know? Well, that's what made it hard to scout

Cornelius Lucas, too. Not that it was like the exact same, but like, you know, I thought was interesting Seattle just to go because drafting one of my big adages and this is another thing that Howie Roseman has done. I don't care who you are. I don't care if you've got Anthony Munoz, Walter Jones and Dermony Dawson all on your offensive line. You draft offensive linemen every year. Every single year. If you don't think you need one, you do. You know, and Roseman's done that. But like, I just wanted to get the point I was making was Cornelius Lucas and Charles Cross, though, I thought that was so funny

that Seattle drafted those two guys who were both, like, never run-blocked in college, which makes scouting the line very difficult, in my opinion. Yeah. And, you know, they've obviously- I think you mean Abraham Lucas, right? Oh, Abraham Lucas, yeah, yeah. Cornelius Lucas is...

Old-time Lion player there. Yes, yes, yes, yes. He's still in the league somewhere. I don't remember where, but I believe he's still in the league. Yeah, he is... Oh, he's with the commanders. He's with the commanders, yeah. Cool.

There's so much value, just real quick, there's so much value in what you said, Joe, and the fact that, like, the Eagles are so good at just, like, throwing it at the wall when it comes to offensive linemen and, like, quarterbacks, too. That's how they got into the situation with Jalen Hertz is that they are willing to, like, just, you know, take a chance on either, like, a late round quarterback, mid to late round quarterback every once in a while. they'll trade for Gardner Minshu. They'll, you know, draft a couple offensive linemen every year. Like just setting themselves up for success and the potential of finding of good player at a high value position is what they're so good at and why they continue to hang around. For sure.

All right, Joe, before you go, I did want to ask you one not as nice question about the Eagles. That is, we've seen them now through what? six games and a constant theme that I'm seeing is they're taking the foot off the gas in every single game they've played so far and it's a little scary for me I don't know if it's intentional or if teams are just figuring them out in the second half of games but I don't know is that alarming to you at all because there's um in Philadelphia there is a there's a great tweet that says there are only two moods of Philadelphia sports. cocky and distraught.

And there's always, but even when the dial is turned to cocky, there's always just like a little bit of the distraught coming over. And that has been kind of, I think, the big talking point. And the question here is like, and Greg CoSelt discussed this as well on the matchup points podcast. And he always made the point. He's like, yes, they've allowed teams to come back into games. they're the, I mean, obviously they're the only undefeated team in the NFL, but you guys know they've had at least a lead of 14 points in every game this year.

Right. So you're right. But Cocell's point that he made is like when they've had to run the ball at the end of the game to win it, they've done it. They've managed to. But I completely agree with you. I would like to see just a little bit more, you know what? And maybe there is extenuating circumstances. Against Arizona, Vance Joseph was bringing the house on every play,

and their entire game plan was horizontal. I didn't love that game plan against Arizona, by the way. No, me neither. Like, I thought it was too much. I understand where it came from, but I thought it was too much. Against Dallas, I don't think they've just trusted Cooper Rush to be able to come back from a three-score deficit. Yeah.

I know they hadn't. But the thing is, is like, I do agree. Like, I do agree. I would like to see, let's just say they're up 17 to 3 against Piss. at halftime this week, which is within the realm of possibilities against a rookie quarterback, quarterback. I would love to see them just take a freaking shot down the field on the first and second series out of, out of half time. Like go for the throw, break our tendencies, you know, teams have gotten back into it. I agree with you guys. That would be my

concern. And as somebody who, where I've gone on Jalen Hertz, when he was a freshman in Alabama, I'm like, great story, great competitor, not an NFL quarterback. When he got benched for Tua, completely just reiterated that to me. And then he goes to Oklahoma and I'm like, all right, there's something here. And then it comes to the Eagles and you're like, second round pick, man. And then as the year went on last year, oh, there might be something here. And now this year, I think he's been pretty good. But there is still an element of like, do they not fully trust them?

and I would like to see them because you need to know. Like Jalen Hertz, right? That is the one thing about the Eagles. They need to know about Jalen Hurd. They need to know sooner rather than later. Last year he did just enough to kick the can down the road. And this year, I think he's doing more than that. But in this second half, you know, you self-scout over the buy.

We've had these big leagues. What can we do to make sure our fans' butts aren't clenched in the second half of all of these freaking games? Like, you've got these big time receivers, right? You've got three, three guys who are maybe top 25 at their position in Brown, Smith, and Goddard. Yeah. Yep. Let those playmakers make plays as well. I think that's a great point, Brett.

And I think a lot of people would love to see them come out and come out and show, hey, Steelers, we're the boss. Like, you're not coming in here. and you're not going to get false hope in the second half. I really think the only team, well, Minnesota and Washington didn't really have anything going in the second half. Like, you know, like Minnesota came close a couple times. Washington did enough to make it look not like a slaughter. Yeah, like, because when, I mean, I said to my co-host,

and I know I'm rabbling on here, when Wentz was sacked twice on the first possession of that, Eagles commander's game. I said Paul Kelly on, I said, Paul, this game's over. Yeah. Like, there is no way Wentz is coming back from getting sacked twice on the first series. But that was, that was unique to Wents. That wasn't unique to like the Eagles and like, you know, like Cooper Rush, who has more poised than Wence at this point. So, no, I totally agree with the point, though. I want to see them come out and have a strong, I think that is what any Eagle fan would want. They said, all right, you're 6 and 0, your double digit favorites against

Pittsburgh. What do you want? We want a big third quarter. That's what Eagles fans will say. I want them to bury a team. Kind of like we saw the Bengals bury the Falcons this week. Like they were up 21 to zero and Burrow was still dropping back, letting it freaking rip. Yeah. I just want to see them do that once. So. And I feel like so much of it, I mean, so much of it feels like pace. Like they just, I think their pace goes down to like their like first in the first half of games and like 30 first in the second half of games. So, like, they just totally just shut it down into neutral and just kind of coast until, until like you said, like, it always comes down to the fourth quarter where they do have to make a pivotal drive. And they end up doing it because they have a great offensive line.

You're glad you can do that. Right. Yeah. Like, yeah, don't give you wrong. That's a luxury that maybe three to four NFL teams have to be able to just like, like, close out a game when you need to. but like you said, maybe just once we see what it looks like to win by, you know, to win by 14 and have them never get closer than 14. Let's get Gardner Minshu in a game. You know, let's get Gardner some reps in the fourth quarter.

Right. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like when you have Jalen Hertz and that there's the balance and this is what coaching comes into. When you have Jalen Hertz, you do not, you don't want to be a 45 drop back team. Right. Sure. Like that's completely misallocating your resources.

It would it be nice if you know he can do that if you need to, sure. But like not when you're up 17, but there is, again, you know, you miss a block here. And then you get when you're in a run grinding mode, you know, the chances you go three and out or you're behind the chains. I get it. I would just like to see them be able to mix it up a little bit more in the second half. But I, based on how well this team is coached and how well, I think Siriani and Shane Stike in or calling plays and game planning, I kind of feel like it's just a gut feeling that

if they have that like 10 point halftime lead over Pittsburgh, they're going to come out and they're going to try to put their feet on their throats. That's what I think this week. Awesome. I love it. I hope so too. I'm definitely going to be watching that game. This is kind of a bummer of a slate too, so I'm very much looking forward to firing up. Just like last week's slate? Like what the heck? One, what is it? Like one matchup of a winning team? One thing I want to ask you guys now that I'm here. Like I saw, I've seen the charts. If you go by EPA, XFP, DDOA, DMB, whatever three-letter, like, metric you want to talk about,

the quarterback play in the NFL right now is the worst it's been in a number of years. Do you guys have any, any, like, theory on that? Like, how many quarterbacks are playing? Will you, will you right now say, pound the top? table, this guy's playing well. And I'm thinking there's like five. Four. There's four. Yeah. Alan Mahomes.

Mahomes, Hertz, Borough. Oh, Gino. I can't forget, Gina. Yeah, right. And like, yeah, and Gino's one of them. It's like, it's kind of amazing. Like, do you guys have anything thoughts on that? We've tough talked about it. It's, yeah, I think you're, you're in a big

kind of weird changing of the guard type feel right now, where there's been a lot of old blood retire or get old, like Rogers and Brady are ancient. They're not playing great. You've recently seen Big Ben and Drew Breeze and Matt Ryan fall off or retire. So there's just a lot of young guys without a ton of experience playing right now. And then on top of that, there's a lot of teams with weird situations like Baker, Mayfield, Sam Donald, and PJ Walker.

Like, what the frick do you expect? I did not expect PJ Walker to ball out the way he did the other day. but. And I didn't expect Baker to be the freaking downgrade he was. Oh my gosh. I thought at worst that was like a sideways move. Steve and I both thought it was a slam dunk for a comeback player of the year. Yeah.

I just. And it's just. Which is so interesting to think about because you take what Baker Mayfield was this year, what he was when he first got drafted. And then you'd think about like Jacoby Brissette everywhere else. except Cleveland, is Kevin Stifansky secretly good at coaching quarterbacks? And nobody wants to talk about it because he fails in other aspects of that, like, of doing that because that's, like, I saw someone say that the other day.

And it like, I was like, oh my gosh, that's such a good point. Like, because maybe it wasn't that Baker was good, maybe Stafansky. But anyway, that's a rant for another day. Yeah. And I mean, Rissette's been pretty good outside of like, the god-awful turnovers. I mean, he's had a couple. Good for Brissette.

Yeah. He's playing his best football. But Steve, do you remember Case Keenham's year he had in Minnesota? Right. I mean, that guy hasn't even made an appearance in the NFL since. I mean, he appeared in a game with Cleveland, and I remember that Cleveland fans were like,

all right, here we go. This guy led the Vikings. And then he probably promptly got sacked, fumbled, and then threw another. interception and that belief went out the window. But it's like it is. It's crazy to think about that. It's this thing where I think that the Browns have had so many other issues,

whether it's Stefansky, not running Nick Chubb enough, whether it's, you know, this or that with the Browns. Like that's one thing that has stayed pretty constant is that Stefansky gets value out of guys that have little to no value in most other places. That brings me to another question, but guys, and I know I'm, but like, I want to, I want to bounce a take off of you. You might have seen me tweet this when I was like tilting for fantasy. Because I work from fantasy brain, right? Right. Like, you, like two weeks ago, when Packers beatwriters are saying, A.J. Dillon looks like he's running in cement. And then I look at the box score and he's got more carries than Aaron Jones. And like, you just mentioned with the Nick Chubb thing, oh, oh, we got Cream Hunt. We got to get. get him involved. Do you guys think coaches sometimes outsmart themselves with running back rotations? Oh my gosh, 100%.

100%. Steve and I have talked about that exact comparison to the Jones Dylan thing, but you talk to any running back, any former running back or any O line guy, like running backs need rhythm, just like a quarterback does. Now, it doesn't mean every good running back needs 30 carries, but man, like let's stop with the 50-50 splits, especially when the talent discrepancies, enormous. Like it is like drones is so much better of a player than Dylan. It's wild to me that he doesn't get more than 50% of the looks there right now. It's it looks, although this past week it does seem like they kind of started to shift, didn't they? Oh yeah. I think I called it a quiet benching of Dylan. I think it was like 70.30, which by the way, it's fine. So we can work with 7030. Exactly.

You know, like, and there are some teams that like there are some, and I think some backs who are uniquely talented where you can handle the 50-50. But man, when I see three backs working in on a bad football team, I'm like, how is this team supposed to get in any sort of rhythm? Because if you're a bad football team, it likely means you have bad quarterback play. So you need to run the ball better to kind of isolate that. Like I'm thinking of Denver where, you know, Mike Boone, Latavis Murray and Melvin Gordon are working in when you've got bad quarterback play.

I just don't understand how that's supposed to work for an offense. I mean, it barely works on a good team. We've seen the Patriots do it when they had blunt and white and and guys mixed in there. But even on good teams, a three-man rotation is hard to assist me. Yeah, the key team that do it well, it's usually because each guy has a very specific role. His role isn't X amount of number of snaps. It's, hey, on these situations, we're using you.

That's why the Patriots one work that you mentioned. With the Packers, it doesn't. seem like they know, like they're both just playing snaps. Like they're not changing what they're doing for Dylan or for Jones. And it's, it really just isn't working. I mean, Dylan has looked honestly terrible. So, which I predicted. Well, and I also feel like Dylan, he's like three runs of over 15 yards.

Like he literally only gets between two and 10 yards. And I really feel like Dylan is the kind of guy who, do you guys remember Derek Henry early in his career? Like, yeah, when he was rotating with. DeMarco Murray. And I was like, I remember there was a game the Eagles played the Titans. And I literally remember saying to myself, every time they give the ball to Derek Henry, it's a wasted touch. And like they'd give it to Derek Henry and he plow forward for two yards and then they put Murray in the game because they had to throw the ball. Like I also wonder if Dylan

might just be one of those guys who, man, if he is not your lead back, he's unusable. Yeah, I think that's for sure. Sure. The other thing with him that's different than Henry, I know they get the comp because they're similar in size, but Dylan needs runway to get moving. Henry's got a little bit more burst for his size. But Dylan really, he, I mean, the way Boston College used him, there'd be snaps he was 11 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Like, he actually needs a legitimate runway to take off.

It's kind of scary. So in that Green Bay offensive line, they've been okay pass protecting, but the interior of that line has not been good in the run game this year. and if Dylan gets hit anywhere near the line of scrimmage, it's going to be a bad play. He doesn't have the burst or the agility to make guys miss like that. Yeah, he doesn't force miss tackles. He's a pretty, yeah, like a pretty north-south runner.

You're not looking at him, you know, planning his foot in the ground and getting outside and beating anyone around the edge. Literally just it's pounding him into the back of linemen in a way. Right. But like, I think there's merit to what you said, Joe, of like, AJ Dillon might be one of those guys where it's like, you got to give him 25 carries because he is the guy where he hasn't come alive in the first half. He's just there to kind of beat people down in the first half.

It's the second half where, you know, the old, like, oh, you wore him down. Now you're like now that you're starting to pick up yardage. He gets, you know, he gets better as the game goes along while everyone gets tired. like that feels like AJ Dillan might be in that. He might not, but still, like, you'll never know because why would you ever give him 25 carries in a game? Yeah, it's just, anyway, that was just something I've been thinking of quite a bit here. And I wonder with this like, with this like kind of crap quarterback play around the NFL, if this were to continue. And frankly, God, I hope it does not.

We need one of these, we need one of these young guys to like actually come up. And we need Lawrence or Fields or Wilson to come out and say, hey, guys, yeah, I was playing like crap. And we, God, do we need that badly? But it's just something that I wonder if, like, maybe there's a little, little bit of a shift change back because if teams can't trust their quarterbacks. And it's not just the lack of guys who are playing well.

It's the number of guys who are playing, like, crap out there that's really alarming. You know, like, Wilson is hard to watch. You know, Lawrence has had, like, two good games. It's Mario, Stas throwing 13 passes in a game they trailed by 31, 21 points, 15 minutes into the game. So, yeah, I don't know. That's just kind of an overarching thought that probably needs a lot more time to talk about than just the 30 minutes. For sure. Well, Joe, we did tell you 30 minutes.

It's been 38. So I think it would be, you know, doing you a good favor to let you go at this point. So we really appreciate you coming on the podcast. You guys rule. I just love chopping it up with people. who are smarter than me. This makes me sound smarter. So, no, guys, I really appreciate it.

I'll be back soon, I hope. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, ma'am. All right. Farewell to Joe. Me and Joe is awesome.

One of the guys you just, you love to work every day because he's part of the team, you know? Oh, yeah. He's like, he's one of those guys where you do want to just like chop it up and talk football with him because he's, he's just, he just has. has so much energy and just loves it and you can tell. That's when you know it's good is when like you can really see and hear the passion behind someone's voice and that's what he definitely has that.

And that's why it's so much fun to talk to about all this. That's how like a lot of our company meetings go. Like when when we get, you know, all the all the guys in the same room together, it's just like we just get off track because we're just talking ball the whole time. Right. Right. But anyways. Let's wrap this up with a brief discussion about trade deadline. So trade deadline's approaching.

It's Tuesday, right? Tuesday, 4thm. So Wednesday, 4 p.m. Is it? Yeah, is it? Because Halloween's on Monday, which is the 31st. So Tuesday would be the first. Wednesday would be the second.

All right, cool. Second at 4 p.m. So instead of kind of addressing a ton of the rumors, I would like to spend time maybe talking about trades you want to see. happen trades i want to see happen um obviously we'll probably use a lot of the same guys that are being rumored because we're just not going to randomly manufacture a trade in our head but um it is Tuesday at 4 p or my yeah Tuesday at 4 p.m you're right okay cool it's Tuesday 4 p.m. so it's so perfect then because we're not going to be recording another pod between now and then so

might as well get this conversation out of the way so real quickly i'll throw out the first one given that we're both, you know, Detroit folk here. I would be the Detroit line trade. T.J. Hawkinson. Oh, you're on the, you are, you're on the trade him away train. I'm on the trade of the way train. Okay. Trade T.J. Hawkinson to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

I think based on things I've read, you could get a first or second round pickback for him. And that's a huge win to me. That'd be massive. And honestly, it would make sense in like from the standpoint of you're still, you're still in a rebuild. You have to pay him next year, I believe, right? Yep. You have to pay him next year.

He's been up and down in his career. He'll have an explosion game. He'll disappear for a while. And then they also have had Brock Wright, who's been way more involved in the offense, who is T.J. Hockinson, who kind of has a little bit more yak opportunity. because he doesn't fall down when he catches the ball. He's also a better blocker, Brock Wright. Yeah.

So, like, honestly, it makes a ton of sense. I had, just because I like Hockinson, I had always been on the, like, retain him. When you have a good player, retain him. But if they could get a first or a second round pick, especially if it was a team, like the, if it's a team that's in limbo where it's like, yeah, their season could go either way. I think, like, there's, it'd be such a smart play. Well, I think with the Bucks specifically, like, they've been bad. They lost last night to Baltimore.

They're three and five, but they're still in the mix for that division because that division is terrible. Right. Yes. Add talent. I don't, Brady's not the kind of guy who's going to mail in the season. He's going to want to go out with a bang. They've already basically pushed all the chips to the middle. So I am 100% fill that void.

They have a huge void there. No gronk, Brate's hurt. K.aten could probably be good someday, but that day is not. today. So go get Hawkinson, get Tom another red zone weapon. For the Lions, too, Hawkinson's just been too inconsistent. Now, some of that is playing in Detroit. Like, let's face it, when you're on a bad team for most of your career, inconsistencies come naturally because your team sucks. Quarterback play hasn't been great since he's been, even Stafford's last few years there, he was hurt and dinged up, and it just. And just, man, I, having times where he's

the number one receiving option, which, like, not what he, I mean, he can be, but not on a regular basis and not like, he should not be the key of a defense. If that's the point, then it's going to be. Game plan specific number one option. Right. I'll throw another one out just because it's tied to the bucks as well. And then you can throw a couple out.

Isaiah win, Patriots offensive tackle slash I think he could play on the interior. I would also like to see him trade into the bucks. probably cost a fourth or fifth round pick. They clearly want a fresh start with him. I don't think it's working out. He's for whatever reason in the doghouse there with Maddie P and Bill B. Send him to the Bucks. The bucks desperately need interior O-line help.

Luke Godke has been really, really bad at the left guard spot, which is the one area we were really concerned about. Maybe Wynn can play there, even if he can't play left guard. If they determine he's never played interior O-line, since, you know, early college days, great. They still need depth because they are one injury away from that whole thing falling apart. So I think that would be a very wise trade for them, get some Wurfs insurance, get some Donovan Smith insurance. And then hopefully, in best case scenario, he can actually take one of those starting spots on the interior.

Right. What do you think of that? I think it makes a lot of sense. Like you said, I think the Buccaneers offensive line is teetering on, like, like disaster like they're really towing the line and any insurance against that is valuable and especially a guy like Isaiah win who you know he's not the best he's not you know incredible but he's consistent he's you know I think he started like 39 of his last 39 of the last 40 games you know he's just a consistent guy and that's I mean that's what the bucks need is consistency they need someone

they can be there down in down out someone who's not a rookie honestly right someone who's who's not a rookie, someone who, yeah, someone who can just kind of, so you can plug and play, step in and do that. One of the ones that I think,

that I want to see, and I, everybody, I think everybody wants to see it in some way, shape, or form, but I'd like to see the bills

just go and get, like, a Kareem hunt, or even, like, the rumors of, uh, Camara.

Just, just like, if they can get, like, uh, if they can flip a low, a low pick, low end pick for a, for like a cream hunt. I think cream hunt could fit into that offense really well.

I missed the team somehow. The Bills. Bills. Oh. I think the bills, the bill is going to grab Cremont at like a disc, if they can get them at like a low price. I think I like, I like that just because I think that Kareem Hunt's better than Singletary and just adds a little bit more pomp to their run game that they just don't have from running backs.

and they haven't had for three years and has come up and been an issue at times is not having a guy that they can trust to tote the rock. Yeah. I think that, you know, going from a Zach Moss, Devon Singletary to like a Kareem Hunt, Devon Singletary, I think that's a big upgrade. And kind of changes the trajectory of their team because it allows them to, it allows them to run the ball without having to sacrifice Josh Allen as much. For sure, which is going to be crucial down the stretch.

I actually like that. I like either Kareem Hunt or Kamara there. I probably lean Kamara a little bit because his ability in the receiving game. I know Hunt's also good in the receiving game, but Kamara can legitimately move out and play wide receiver and the slot. And we just know the bills love doing stuff like that. that. Yeah, player-wise, Camara would be my top choice.

Price-wise, I think that I'd mean Kareem Hunt because I think you can get Kareem Hunt for, yeah, I think you can get him a lot cheaper than you can to Camara. Yeah, I totally agree with that. And we're not sure the Saints even are ready to move on from Camara. No, no. Again, these are, one day will be plugged in enough to really, really have that. But right now, we know. Right now it is just kind of going off of rumors and what you've seen,

what you've heard consistently over the last few weeks. For sure. Throw another one out there. I'd love to see Jibril Peppers moved. Oh, wow. I was not expecting that one. Yeah, like I think it's the Patriots defense has played really well. And I don't even think that it's necessarily that Jibriol.

It's because Gibral-Prepers isn't good. I think it's because they're getting so much value out of guys like Kyle Dugger and Phillips, that Peppers doesn't really see the field. He comes in on dime packages, usually third down. Third down in five plus is when you'll see Peppers hit the field for New England. They'll go to a dime package where they'll play Mac Wilson in the middle, and Jeproo Peppers will play in the box. I think I like Jepreau Peppers, and I think that he still has value.

as a as kind of like a hybrid box safety who can you know who can fit up against the run as well as as well as you know hop in and you know guard up against a tight end if he needs to sure i like gibriel in new england is my only problem that's fair like even when he was coming out in the draft steve i thought new england was his best landing spot he's a new england guy yeah bill bill would just know how to use him the overlap between him and dougar is really similar now granted so do they actually need him like you said probably not he's not really playing but right there's probably not a better system for him no i don't think so and that's where i'm trying to i like he's just a guy i want to see on the field more i'm trying to like fit him to a team and it's yeah i mean like he could he probably could

honestly work in Jacksonville, but they're not going to move for him. Yeah. I think that he could fit in with Jacksonville. It's hard. The funny thing is it's hard to find, usually at the deadline, you have clear definition of who are buyers and who are sellers. And I think this year there's so much ambiguity to that. Yeah. Then there has been in previous years because there is so much of that just muck in the middle of two and five, three and

four, four and three teams. So many three and four teams. It's like, it's just this mismash of teams that could go in either direction, which is why it's fun because, you know, that's why the deadline I think will be more active than it has in previous years. Like between, between like teams kind of figuring out where they value veteran players compared to draft picks.

I think that we're getting more clarity on that every year. Between that and, just like that ambiguity of, you know, which teams think that they're ready, which teams are trying to take the next step, which teams are trying to take a step back. I think that we don't really know that. And so I think you will get some kind of surprise pieces moving. Yeah. I agree.

I think it could be a wild one. Yeah. I have two more, like, I actually have a bunch more, but I got two more that I really want to see happen. All right. Both are wide receivers. Shoot, we'll just call it three. I have three more, all wide receivers. The first one is a little cliche.

A lot of people have been talking about this one for a while. And that's Houston-Texins wide receiver, Brandon Cooks, to the Green Bay Packers. I need to see this happen. This should have happened, Steve, in June. Yeah. It should have happened to get in July. Yeah.

It should have happened again in August. And the second, they broke training camp and realized their wide receiver room was freaking terrible. It should have happened again then. I don't know why the Packers have not made this happen yet, but it's been rumored out there for six months now, and it needs to happen. And Brandon Cooks would fit in that system,

fit with Rogers, fit in that system so well. You know what I, like, do not want them to do? What's that? Is make the mistake and go get Claypool. I have Claypool on this list that we're talking about,

but I do not want him with the Packers. That's what I mean. The Packers specifically, I do not want to see Claypool. I do not. not think that Claypool runs structured enough to fit with Aaron Rogers. Like he legitimately, I don't think would fit with Rogers at all. Because like, think about all the ways that, the only ways Claypool gets the ball is through

like structured touches seemingly. And so like, I don't, I just don't think that he, I don't think he has the, the route running discipline. Right. To fit with Rogers. So like, I agree with that. Like, Cooks is the answer for that. Yeah, the reason Cooks is perfect is because he's an established guy.

He's a veteran. He's an route technician. He's one of the most underrated receivers in the league. He has over 1,000 yards with four different teams, by the way. That doesn't happen very often. He can do literally everything. He can be involved in your screen game. He can be your deep threat, your intermediate guy.

Like, there's not anything Cooks doesn't do. Right. He does every single. every single aspect of wide receiver he plays pretty well. So I think he would immediately establish rapport with Rogers. It'd be the best quarterback he's played with in a long time, too. Yeah. Drew Breeze?

Probably Brady. Brady. Yeah, that's right. Brady was after Breeze. But, man, I think that'd be a slam dunk. And I don't think it would cost much, Steve. I think it'd be a fourth round pick, maybe to save a fourth round pick to salvage the last couple years of Aaron Rogers' career is way worth it to me.

Especially when he immediately elevates the development of a Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson. Like he did like the value that he immediately brings the moment he lands in Green Bay is crazy. And it's like it's so beneficial. Because like you said he is, he has played with like we said, he's played with Breeze and Brady. So, like, he understands and, like, can work within a very structured, like, I need you here at this time. And the ball will be here at this time. Ready go. Like, Brandon Cook has operated in those offenses.

So, like, he has, he's no stranger to, like, a scheme like that, a quarterback like that. It's a plug and play that I don't, like you said, I don't think there'd be really any. any ramp up period. Right. Next. Chase Claypool. This is another receiver here. Yep.

I want to see him, and I don't think I've even seen his rumored yet, but with the Chargers. Interesting. I want this guy, so the Chargers love guys who can play inside and out. Yep. And they desperately need an explosive element that's not Mike Williams to this offense, like really, really badly. Palmer's dinged up. Especially now that Mike Williams is out for at least four weeks, right?

Yeah, Williams is out. Palmer's dinged up. Alan's dinged up. Like, this is a move that could really help them. Now, I don't trust Lombardi to use him correctly, but that's beside the point. Claypool also does really well on some of the scheme touches, as you mentioned. Yeah. Some of the screen game, the Jet Suite.

Right, right. You can give you something there, and he's a legit downfield weapon that Herbert, like, really, really needs. and I would love to see Herbert throwing deep balls to this guy because he is a monster when he's down the field. He hasn't gotten deep targets in years because he's been playing with Ben Rossesberger, Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky, you know. Yeah, he's been playing with noodle arms,

so it's hard to get deep targets. Yeah, I don't hate that. I just, yeah, Claypool, it is interesting because you do, I feel like you do have to scheme him touches a little bit. So it would be interesting to see what, if, if and where he goes, if a coaching staff is ready and able to, like, kind of take that on. But, like you said, the charges would be the perfect one. Keenan Allen's been in flux. Mike Williams is out for four weeks.

Like, they're desolate at wide receiver. And what a better way to get a guy acclimated than have him immediately step in, be the number one or number two for a couple weeks and get him, like, right into the offense. But that is something where, like, Joe Lombardi is more of the concerns. in there than anybody else. Yep. All right. Do you want to throw the last one out? I thought you had a third

wide receiver one. I did, Steve, but I didn't want to hog the spotlight here. You know what I mean? No, no. Keep going. This is, it's good. All right.

I want to see Jerry Judy traded to the New York Giants. Yes. Judy with Wondell Robinson and then whatever tall guy they trot out, whether it's Slayton or, you know, whoever. Whoever. I think Judy in this offense could be insane.

My comp for him coming out was Stefan Diggs. And guess what receiver Brian Dable had a ton of success with in Buffalo? Stefan Diggs. Let's get this cracking. I would absolutely love to see it. I think he'd be used appropriately in New York. I would have no doubts about the way Dable would be able to get this guy back to be in the elite prospect that he was.

It would probably be a little expensive. I don't know that the Broncos would sell for less than a second at this point. Yeah. Maybe a third and a fifth or something like that. But I think it'd be worth it. And the six and one Giants team could get a heck of a lot better by adding a guy like Jerry Judy to the team. Absolutely.

I mean, right now, Daniel Jones has been sitting with about a five and a half, A-DOT. He, like, they, if you look at it, at everything like it's short throws it's short quick scheme throws and they don't really have a lot of good they don't have really any good receivers and jerry judy's a guy that at least gives you kind of a little bit of a breakout play potential with some of those shorter throws with some of those like quicker schemes you're able to kind of work him in space and use his speed a little bit yep exactly um I actually get excited thinking about that one. Just because Davele is such a good offensive mind.

I would love to see. Judy's separation ability is so top-notch too. So, yeah. And if you can get it, if you can get him for a third and change, like the Giants are in a fun position where they are not in win now mode, but they're winning now. They're all, but they also can kick it down the road a little bit. Like they have so much with where they're at right now,

they have so much flexibility on what they can be. And like Judy is a perfect like is a perfect buy because there is more there is more like longevity and youth and like you can have them around for a while. It's not just like a, you know, a deadline, you know, a deadline post deadline push guy. Yep. For sure. The hidden thing too that I love here is. As we've talked about,

dropping a quarterback into a situation with a good O-line, good receivers, is the meta. That's the most effective tactical advantage possible. So if the Giants decide to move on from Daniel Jones and perhaps go with a rookie next year, he's going to be in a decent situation. If he's got like Andrew Thomas and Evan Neal, book-end tackles who are both playing pretty well.

Neil, not so much, and he's hurt right now. Or he's hurt for the year now, right? Yeah. He'll be back next year. but Thomas is playing like the best tackle in football. And then he's also got, you know, some decent weapons to throw to with Sequin Barkley back there. Like it just makes that environment so much more hospitable for whoever is playing quarterback

there next year, whether it's Daniel Jones or if they decide to move on from him. Yeah. That's the underrated value there to me. I think it is still a team building move. It's not a win now move. Right. So. Last one for one more.

Yeah. I'd like to see, I'd like to see Roquan Smith. I honestly, I think they would never do it, but it'd be fun to see him in Washington behind that defensive line. I, yeah, I love that. I mean, they've been. I think that they, like, they've been, they've, they've never had a good linebacker because they haven't really needed a good linebacker because when you have a good

defensive line, you can kind of afford to short yourself that linebacker. Yes. But I think that for a team that, again, they're another team that, It's like in this weird kind of period where they did just make a trade for Carson Wentz that was kind of a future-ish move. Like they valued him and thought that he was going to help them win games. And so I think that like on their defense, adding Roquan Smith, keeping that defensive line intact, because I know that Duran Payne has been kind of rumored to be available.

But if they keep that defensive line together and if they brought in Roquan Smith, who I think like he obviously wants a new, he obviously wants a new contract, but I think you could get him at a reasonable price. And I think that he would immediately bring quite a bit of value to that Washington defense, having a lot more freedom and operating similarly to how he operated when he was like when he first came into the league

and he was playing behind a better bear's defensive line. And he really was moving around and making a lot, making a ton of plays as a young. it's like in his first like year or two yeah for sure and I don't you know I don't put a ton of value in the offball linebacker spot but and there's not I I'm yeah so so it would be cost dependent for me to sign off on that and to also be completely fair especially to if there's any Washington listeners out there I haven't studied Jamon Davis and Cole Holcomb enough to know if those guys are it I know Jamie Davis was what a first round pick yeah yeah two years ago so I did

Without their, yeah, and he's more of their will linebacker. Holcomb's the mic and Holcomb was a fifth round pick. I have no idea if those guys have been, you know, very good or not. So I'd have to probably study up on them before I made a final decision there. Yeah, right. I would love to see Roecon behind that level of D-line, though. That much is for sure true. Right.

I think that could be massive for him. Yeah, and then that's like the old, really the only time where I feel like it off, off the ball linebacker is valuable, is if you have a good defensive line. otherwise. Or if he can lock up a premium tight end. Right. Right. Right. Well, sweet, man.

That's awesome. I'm looking forward to reviewing trade deadline on Wednesday because we can review this really, really crappy slate of games. Yep. As well as what happened at the trade deadline. Yep. On Wednesday. Hopefully we'll have,

hopefully I will have a little bit more clarity into what direction some teams are going. Yep. Oh, man. All right. Let's get out of here. Thanks again to Joe Dolan for joining the pod. This was good. This was good.

And I will, I'll talk to you this weekend, Steve, because we have to work together. Yes, sir. All right. I am the host of my wife, field for my co-host, Stephen Rourke. We are out. Thanks for tuning in to this edition of the Fantasy Points podcast. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite platform. And come join the roster at FantasyPoint.com.