Fantasy Football Daily - 2022 Take Talk Episode 23

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

Fantasy Points' own and very special guest Chris Wecht (ChrisWechtFF) joins hosts Brett Whitefield (@BGWhitefield) and Steven ORourke (@callmesteveo7) to review Thursday Night Football, discuss undoing some 2022 first round picks, and preview 3 games from the Week 11 slate. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time for the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoints.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Welcome in to another episode of the TikTok podcast. It's a guest Friday episode. I am your host, Brett Whitefield. Stephen Rourke joins me as usual. and our guest today

who is very special I promise a special guest and he is very very special please welcome to the show Christopher Wecht Chris this is what four out of the last five weeks

it's getting to that point it's a little weird to call me a guest anymore at this point I literally was going to say this where I think it's safe to say that this will be a trio on Friday is moving forward unless we have another guest

one of the three of us will sit out maybe it will be me maybe it will be chris maybe it will be steve but i just think it's safe to say at this point that chris is going to be a routine thing on fridays so he's a staple now he's a staple the people demanded it and and i'm i'm a man of the people so would the people get what they want i'm happy to do it anytime it's a blast talking football with with you guys anytime yeah we had we had a good time last last friday you know where we I don't think I can be here for this podcast I forgot I have something

I listen I already took my victory lap on Wednesday's pod with Steve all right so I won't do that now but I'm I'm not above taking other victory laps and so on that note I want to talk about Christian Watson for a second let's talk about last night's game Christian Watson is clearly the greatest

wide receiver to ever step foot on a football field he's got five touchdowns in the last four days. The man is a machine. And as you guys know, Christian Watson was my draft crush this year. I've touted him so hard that I was thinking about retiring with the way his season started. So here we are.

I've got two games now, especially fantasy-wise, like back-to-back 20-plus point weeks. I'm feeling really good about this. And I think Aaron Rogers is too, guys. I mean, he was about like six inches from having a hundred yards stat line last night, too, if Rogers doesn't throw that deep ball to him a little bit behind him. Yeah.

Like, that's awesome, though, because that's the level of, it seems the level of trust that Rogers has. I don't really think we've seen Rogers throw a ball like that at all this year, at least not that confidently. No, and it's actually, like, I don't know if you guys have watched the ultimate. two from last night's game yet i did this morning it's crazy how much separation this dude is getting downfield you know scott barrett was texting me a couple nights ago about christian watson's IQ like oh like you know they missed on sunday rogers threw a deep ball to him and he kind of slowed down and the ball was probably a perfect throw and it would have been a touchdown but watson slowed down and so scott was texting about christian watson's IQ i'm like listen dude we don't we don't

we don't need the greatest football IQ ever when you can literally run past everybody and that's basically what he's doing there was multiple moments last night too where he was wide open downfield and rogers didn't even throw him the ball right just because of either circumstance i think one he was pressured and just didn't get didn't get to find him another one he was i think more working for a first i think it was like third and eight and didn't really want to take the risk um but i feel like that connection is going to be super special like actually perfect for what they needed right now. They're still having them run a ton of like just playing vertical go routes as in like you said, just run by everybody. If he, yeah, if he can develop that route treaty a little bit more, whether it's on his end or the team trusting him to run some other routes, man, he could, he could really take off. Like he, I mean, like, like Steve said, he, yeah, he seems to have that Rogers trust in him.

This, like the law on that, when they got them to jump offside, his first touchdown, he, I'm pretty sure he was just staring at Watson the entire play and just saying, hey, like, get over here, go over this direction, and I'm just going to throw it up to you and give you a shot. Yeah, what's cool, too, is like the connection of it with Devante was obviously special as well. But they did a lot of timing related things, a lot of back shoulder stuff. And I think maybe it took Rogers a little bit to realize, like, no, Watson's just going to outrun his guy. like just lead him just put it out in front and lead him and let him chase it down you don't necessarily want watson having to turn around and get you know make a play on the ball that way he's good at that stuff but not devante adams level good where you know his speed is literally a world class like he's he's a

freak so i would just i would let him play like a center fielder role i think that's actually how i described him in my my pre-draft write-up of watson was like he's a center fielder chasing down fly balls. That's what he does. And that's the joy of being that fast is that you don't have to have the football IQ right away. You can just be like, hey, all right, until you, what, as you start getting comfortable for right now, just go run past people. Yep. Just either run straight and run past people or just put a foot in the ground, make a cut and get, and get away from people. And he's doing it, He's doing it really well. And, you know, odds are that if Rogers stays into next year, like, he'll be able to, and even if Rogers isn't there, he'll continue to improve that.

And he'll improve his IQ. He'll improve his route tree. And hopefully this is just the beginning for him. Exactly. And it kind of, it does make me feel really good about the Packers moving forward. We kind of knew they would struggle on offense this year, just because two. rookie, they're going to lean heavily on two rookies at receiver. Cobb is obviously washed up. Watkins is washed up. But Lazard is just a guy. He's a functional player if you get the

right pieces around him. So we kind of knew they'd struggle, but what they've done is they've really set themselves up for next year, in my opinion, because that defense is still going to be pretty good. They'll tweak it. If they can sure up their offensive line this offseason and run that back, like Watson and Dubbs is a legit combo to move forward with. So that's, you know, that's very interesting to me. I'm excited to see what happens. Chris, where were you at on Watson pre-draft? I know we talk so much.

I kind of forget where. Yeah, the first, I think like everybody, nobody really even knew he was till the Senior Bowl was really where he started to show out. And I was, I'd say, hesitant at first, just because it's so rare for us to the NFL really and everyone and the draft people and everyone that covers the NFL draft to like totally miss on a prospect throughout their college career and granted he played for North Dakota State where they don't really have a great passing offense so it's and it's not a you know not a top tier school by any means from a

football perspective excuse me what in their in their in their uh conference they are but i think i think watson won three matties when he was there but yeah yes yes the the national spotlight is not exactly on north dakota state like it is a alabama or georgia or ohio state whoever um so yeah you know like they're not going to get the the he's never he was never going to get the showing of a chris olive and garrott lison yes um for sure so anyway yeah i was i was a little hesitant on like, all right, like, is this guy just really, you know, he's crushing these senior ball practices? He looks really good compared to these other guys.

What did we miss? And I know you did a pretty deep dive on him following the senior bowl. And I was like, all right. And you came out pretty high. And I was like, all right. Like, maybe there's something here. His numbers never stood out. But yeah, I was definitely a little hesitant at first.

And then I think by the time the draft rolled around, I was, I was pretty much in the camp of outside of the Garrett Wilson's Chris Hollave who else went pretty early James and William Jameson William yeah you know Drake London yeah Drake London and then it was it was pretty much

I think I would have rather had Watson over Traylon and that was pretty much where I ended up on him but but yeah at the time when he first started what came out like I was it's so rare for the NFL to just totally miss on They miss on prospects all the time, but it's rare to have one go totally unnoticed until, you know, like, draft time comes around. Cooper Cup is probably the other example, and he is like a once in a, well, we would think once in every generation type scenario. And I think that part of that is like skill players at that, not, I should say non-quarterback skill players at like the FCS level.

I feel like it's harder to tell, like to say whether they're going to be NFL players because so much is, like, so much of it is like, who are you, who are you going up against in the FCS? Like skill players are just definitively not as good as, you know, or for the most part as like FBS schools. And so I think like that might be part of it is that sometimes those receivers slip through the cracks because as you if you're watching their film or as you're watching their film before everybody else jumps on board i feel like a lot of people fall into the like well yeah they're like you know they're good but they're just they're beating up a bunch of guys that are just

worse and like oh we haven't seen them against good competition and then that's where you know the senior bowl is such a huge help to these guys because they can then go and compete against you know, top level D1 talent that, you know, they maybe only got one chance or no chances to do. Yeah. So I,

Chris mentioned the deep dive I did. I wrote a prospect profile for him, um, with my former employer and I'm going to read you my final takeaway, my summary after doing this deep dive. Where I see Christian Watson fitting into this draft class. After fully evaluating Watson and putting him through my numeric scoring system, I view Watson,

as a wide receiver prospect with all the tools to become a legitimate number one option in the NFL and worthy of a top 50 pick and I would even go as high as a late first round selection with him. In my system, he scored similarly to the other top names in the class and is in the mix as a top five or six wide receiver in this draft class. So I was very high. I did the research back then. I was the first person in the entire draft community to give Watson a top 50 grade. basically. So I've been extraordinarily high on him from the from the get-go. So this is very

exciting for me. I'm going to victory lap this two-week stretch here. It's very nice. This got me thinking, though, guys, if you go through the 2022 draft as a whole, you know, Watson ended up not being a first-round pick, but he probably should have been a stand by that. I kind of want to take a look at the first round and go team by team and see if there's anything that would change. Like if you were the Jacksonville Jaguars calling the shots, would you still take Trayvon Walker?

I don't have an issue. I don't think there's any reason to really change it based off of some other guys that have, you know, the. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a, yeah, it's a good pick. feels like yeah and like i mean with him that the big thing was going in that stack numbers weren't always there in college and they might not always be there in the NFL but he's going to affect the game in different ways and that's i mean that's kind of what he's doing he hasn't been like the

he like the big number sack guy i think he only has two sacks on the year but he does but he is so long he is so athletic that he does affect like the run game in different ways he he he he is is effective in other areas, but just not, maybe for like the layman fan or, you know, people who just box score watch that Trayvon Walker, yeah, you'd say not, you would, that you wouldn't want the Jaguars to go after him again. But if you, like, dive a little bit deeper, he's been effective. He just hasn't had like the, he had the one interception, but he has, other than that, he hasn't had, like, a ton of the huge splash plays.

But he's been effective, he's been consistently effective. on that front seven for Jacksonville. Yeah, I mean, the deal with him is we knew he was raw coming out. He's still raw now. He's only been playing in the NFL for 11 weeks. So I personally wouldn't have taken him one overall then, and I still wouldn't have taken number one overall now. But I think the Jacksonville Jaguars are fine with their decision,

and they probably would do it all over again. Same with the Lions in Hutchinson at two. Or do you have another point on Walker, Chris? Well, I was going to say, honestly, in the top 10, to me, there's only, like, two spots that even, like, where I'm like, all right, maybe the team would go elsewhere, given where, what we are at so far in these guys' career. I couldn't find one, so give me, give me the ones you're thinking. Yeah. So the first one I could see is maybe Houston taking Stingley over Soss Garner, just because it's, it hasn't been bad by any means, but Gardner has been very, very good so far in his career. Yeah, Stingley's had moments where he's gotten abused a little bit, but that pass rush is so bad.

Right. That's why I'm not. I'm not saying it's a lock, but that's one where I'm like, all right, maybe. And then just in general, could they have taken Tibido or something like that and not go on the corner route? But do they redo it? Probably not. But I think you could make an argument that maybe they could have done better there so far in their careers. And then the other spot, I mean, I don't know how we, nobody, you don't see this

one is Atlanta with Drake London. There's no point of Drake London on the Falcons. Well, this year, though. You got to remember, they're building for the future. Like, I mean, I think they probably are elated with that pick. He looks awesome to me. Oh, he looks awesome. So, do I have zero faith that their offense is ever going to be able to support, you know, premier pass catchers. Even with a, like, once they replace Marioada? I'm, what, they're not really going to be able to. They're two, they've won too many games.

Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, where are they going to be picking in the draft? 15? 10, 10 to 15 somewhere in there, likely. So, I mean, yeah, there's going to be quarterback options there. Like, we were just talking. yesterday. I mean, Bo Nix. Like, where, where's he land now?

Like, he's had a resurrection. I, like, I think he might be better than Will Levis at this point. He's going to be a fun one because I feel like he's been around for so long. Like, we've known Bo Nix for so long that I, I am curious to see, not necessarily NFL, but, like, people in the NFL draft community, how they grade him because I feel like so many people have their biases. Like when someone's around that long and has the up and down and down and down and up again career that he's had, like, I feel like so many people are going to have a hard time moving past their prejudices with him of like, no, Bo Nix is super turnover prone, doesn't take care of the ball, doesn't make good decisions.

like that was the narrative his sophomore year sophomore junior year and it was like he's dead like he can't make it to the NFL and now he has a little resurrection here in Oregon and he looks like a completely different player than who he was at Auburn and that's fine because I mean like Brett we've talked about it time and time again of the development of quarterbacks and sometimes it does take a guy a little bit longer to figure it out listen I get Joe Burrow vibes from him not in style or skill set, but in the fact that Joe Burrow was actually a laughing stock at Ohio State. Yeah. Like people made fun of his recruitment because he never saw the field there.

Now, it wasn't even close. It wasn't even close. It was buried on their depth chart. Goes to LSU was really bad as a junior. I shouldn't say really bad. He was pretty bad as a junior. Definitely not the guy we saw as a senior. It comes out as a senior, a totally different human being.

and then it ends up being the number one overall pick. Bo Nix, if you don't have those three years of Auburn tape in your head, you're talking about this guy as a top five pick right now. I promise you that. Absolutely. I mean, I think so, yeah. Yeah. No, listen, throw for throw, he's not the most accurate guy in the world.

But he has that big time arm. Like, everything people think Will Levis is is kind of what Bo Nix is, right? Like this absolute savage running the ball. He's got, what, 13 rushing touchdowns and 500 yards this year. I know he's got close to 2,500 yards passing already and 20-something touchdowns. Like he's a legit dual threat guy with the big time arm. So anyway, I don't want to go on the side teams of college TVs again. But they're out there.

My point, Chris, is like there's going to be somebody in that. So whether it's Bo Nix or say Bo Nix leapfrogs, C.J. Stroud and C.J. Stroud's the pick. They're going to have an option. 15 is all I'm saying or wherever they're picking there they'll have an option that is better than the options they had last year my two arguments would be first off wide receiver probably more than running back is the other one wide receiver is probably second the most easy to find premier talent later in the draft we'll not get a disagreement with me so if your goal is i'm not trying to win games this year like we're just trying to build the foundation for that

next QB take you know take a Charles Cross as a tag and you know get a tackle for the future take an edge rusher like Jermaine Johnson or something like whatever it is um but take those those much harder to find edge rushers the deal that no line play maybe a corner or something they're they're not they have a j Terrell but so maybe they feel okay in their corner spot but take a position of more like Like Christian Watson, you could have, you could have, they could have easily taken Watson where they took a, who did they take? No, they could have. No, yeah, they just missed on Watson. They missed on Watson, yeah.

And you get that, a type of wide receiver like what, they were in that range to still get a level of talent of wide receiver like that. They could have got like a pickings or an Alec Pierce. Right, exactly. So like the question you have to ask yourself is would you rather have, what do they, who did they take in the second round? Was it Ebiketti? Yeah, that's why I was just looking. Okay. So would you rather have like, I don't know,

Charles Cross and George Pickens? Yes. Yes. For the state of the team, yes. Okay. That's fair then. I can buy into that. I do think that in this draft,

once you got out of that top tier, I think Watson was the last of the top tier, there was a pretty good drop off in talent. And I loved Pierce and Pickens both. Pickens I had off-of-field concerns with Pierce I really liked but I did think there was still a sizable gap between Pierce and and

Watson so sure yeah and then the other point is just that where do they see do they see themselves as a winning team this year and we keep coming back to we we think Arthur Smith and company said we're gonna win as many games as possible this year

yeah and if that's the case taking a Drake London doesn't really help you do that because of the way you're going to run your offense yeah that's another good point i mean it's it's immensely frustrating watching atlanta's offense from an all-22 standpoint and watching drake london get open on like four out of five four out of five snaps he's open with a with a step like he's yeah there's no way is negative on drake london in any way shape or form drake london is awesome it's just the because of the state of the team and how the current regime is operating.

Right. The offense, it's not probably the best use of resources. Right. All right. So I'll give you some, I think you're, I think you're spot on with after further review. It's cool. One pick in the top 10 gets changed. Then you go to the next few though.

I think Seattle still takes cross. Wilson still goes of the Jets. Olavis still goes of the Saints. I still think Jamo goes to the Lions. I think they baked his injury into the cake, unlike they did with Levi Onzerice last year. I think they actually planned for Jameson to miss most of the season. So I still think they're happy with that.

Then the first big one in my mind then becomes your Eagles, Chris, and Jordan Davis. Do you think they make that pick again? Yes, I don't see how they don't make it. Given the way, it really just comes down to how a lot of this depends on how the coaching staff wants to operate whatever, their offense or defense. And the way that Jonathan Gann and the Eagles defensive coordinator wants to run his offense, he needs that giant man in the middle of his defensive line. Right. We've seen it the past. They've signed Nidomacu and Linville Joseph in the past two days.

Partly they've had other D-line injuries as well as Jordan Davis. But they, they, Jonathan Gannon has told us time and again now that I can't run the defense I want to run without this. Now, should they be running it that way? Is it is a different question. Well, is day, like, it's just not valuable. Like, you can find guys that do what he does relatively cheap, though. I guess is my problem. It was a, it was not a valuable selection.

Sure. Big nose tackles that don't rush pass are, are legit. legitimately not valuable to your football team. Yeah, I'm not saying it was the best value pick, but I don't think they changed the pick. I mean, look right around where he went. There's not a name that like jumps at, like screams at me. Like they totally should have taken this guy over Jordan Davis.

Yeah, I agree. And that's where I come back to is like, I'm not sure where they go with that pick if they don't take Davis. The one guy I think of, or there's two actually. Actually, three. Quay Walker That's what I was thinking Devin Lloyd

Well like either one of them would have been fine Devin Lloyd might be a better overall fit in that defense Because they were never taking a linebacker though I understand that And then Jermaine Johnson would have been the last one Yeah Jermaine Johnson was the one I was the closest to But even with the linebackers

Like yeah I might prefer those guys over Davis But that's still not a valuable position So you're in the same predicament you are by taking Davis So probably would have been So it's tough It's like, yes, it probably wasn't the best use of resources, but also there's not a name that screams out like, oh, they totally whipped on here. And we'll find more as the, you know, this class has more time to be in league and whatnot. There'll be more obvious stands that people should have taken.

But right now. Very early judgments for sure. Yeah. Right. And like right now, if you think about it at the premier positions, Philly's okay. like they're they didn't have anybody that like they needed to or wanted to replace right away luxury pick right like even then the only thing i could think of or like the germane johnson was is a good one but even like i guess they maybe could have swung for a better third wide out than

quay than quez wakins like that's the type like that's the type of position that they were in where and they didn't necessarily know that at that time because, I mean, think about it last year. Our last impression was them getting blown out of the water by Tampa Bay in the playoffs. So like we didn't, I don't think anybody really saw eight and one coming or like, you know, some people did. Right. But they just, they're good at like corner and defensive end. They had like, they don't have offensive tackle. Offensive tackle.

Corner was not good at the time of the draft. Bradbury was not on the team. So like maybe a McDuffie would have made sense. Or Elon. Elon would have been great for that system. Yeah. Right. So maybe.

So there's corner there. I do wonder how far enough trade talks. They must have been pretty far in with the Titans for AJ Brown at that point. Because then if they don't do that trade and we still say Dotson's off the board, then they're, you know, the next wide receiver to go is Traylin Burks and how much do they like him, who knows? Which there, yeah, I don't. I can't believe they would go after Burke. So at the time of the Davis pick, I'm assuming they had a pretty good idea that A.J. Brown might be an eagle.

Right. Because a wide receiver would have been the other spot, but they definitely needed. Two other names. What about either of those safeties at the end of the draft, or the round scene? Yeah, because they don't know that Chauncey Gardner Johnson's on their team. Right. Also true. So safety, yes.

But again, how I wrote, like, any time, if you ever see a mock draft with the Eagles taking a linebacker or a safety in the top part of the draft, it's wrong. They're just not, Howard Rosen is not going to do it. Just assume he's going to trade. He will not take a linebacker or a safety with like a top. It would have to be a late first for that to happen.

It's just not going to happen. So there was tons of mocks last year with Devin Lloyd to the Eagles. And there was no way it was ever going to happen. He just doesn't value those positions. And it makes sense because the NFL doesn't really value those positions and that's why he can go out and get a Chaunty Gardner Johnson for what he for what he paid for him and like you're you can get a veteran guy that you that is a known commodity for cheaper than you know taking one of these

guys in in the first or second round and so like that and that's where that's why the eagles are better and have stayed good for so long is just understanding that aspect to it of what the premier positions are, who to go after in a draft, and who can you, who can you pick off from another team or off of free agency that gives you arguably better performance, at least in the beginning and more consistent performance across the course of the year for maybe a, you know, a little bit of extra money or a third or a fourth or a fifth rounder rather than spend the draft capital at the top of the draft to go get that guy. and have them be as good or worse than the guy you were going to go get.

Yeah. The next one I think we're all in pretty much agreement of is the pick right after Davis with the Ravens taking Kyle Hamilton. Yeah. They clearly could use a wide receiver on that team. Yeah. Before, before trading Hollywood Brown. and Rashad Bateman getting hurt.

How they have not filled Lamar Jackson with the weapons that he deserves is just, is just wild. Yeah, Jehan Dodson would have been nice. He does a lot of the things Hollywood does. Yeah. Don't really think Birx would have been a good fit. They basically drafted Berks and like three rounds later and Isaiah likely. So, um,

yeah. I actually I actually mean that like they like likely does a lot of likely does a lot of the same things burks does he's just a little bit bigger

just a little bit bigger but like how much bigger because you know Burke's a little overweight right now but I don't know anyways yeah it's similar to like would you rather have Kyle Hamilton

at 14 or like Lewis Seen at 32 or Dax Hill at 31 I'd rather have the latter two guys. Yeah. Yep. Or Petrie. Like even he. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Or they just didn't need to take a safety. That too. But they had two first round picks. They could have taken scene at 25. No, I don't think they're mad about Linderbaum necessarily, but like. No, I don't think so either. It's just weird planning.

Yeah, their, their safety room was with Chuck Clark and who did they cut right before, Henry Jefferson. No, they signed Marcus Williams to the biggest safety contract. And they had Marcus Williams. That's right. And then they cut Tony Jefferson. They just didn't need to do. The Ravens are the most confusing drafters ever because they get tons of praise for getting value all the time.

But it's at the least important positions always. Yep. And Kyle Hamilton is basically playing like a glorified just speed linebacker coverage position. Like he's in the box a bunch. Yep. Joker. He's a joker. Yes, there you go.

That's the term I was looking for. But, and that's what the Ravens do. They go after the, they do best player available to a fault. Yes. Yeah. And their defense, they do a lot of like positionless football, you know? Yeah. And it hasn't really helped their defense in the past few years.

Particularly the secondary has been not good at all. Yeah. every year we go into it saying like the saying that baltimore marcus peters marlin humphrey right the safeties we just mentioned and every year they they give up you know they're one of the worst you know at defending the deep ball every single year that is true i think some of that's probably their they're blitzing and their packages they kind of put those corners on islands a lot oh yeah they do but um i think the next one is literally the next pick so three in a row davis hamilton Kenyon Green.

Kenyon Green was a very, very, very, very fringe first round pick for me. In fact, I think I had a day two grade on him. They traded back, right, from 11 to 15? Someone traded up. There was a lot of movement in this rain. I forget exactly. Yeah, the Saints came up from 15 to get a lave. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. So they traded back. They take Kenan Green. Looking at the board, I just think they probably should have taken. or, oh God, they should have stayed put and taken a lot of it. But with the tradeback, they should have just taken Zion Johnson, who everybody, but apparently them knew was a better prospect than Kenyon Green.

And that's played out so far through 10 weeks or whatever. They both started every game. Zion Johnson looks 100% to be the better player than Kenyon Green. And, I mean, Kenning Green, honestly, he's been awful. He's been awful for them. So where Zion Johnson has been pretty good for the Chargers. And like honestly at this point in the season, as far as surrounding talent on that unit, not a ton of difference. Like between what Zion has next to him and what Green has next to him.

Yeah. Like think how like that could have elevated, that definitely could have elevated the Texans offensive line a little bit more by having Zion Johnson be like a bright spot on a bad unit instead of Kenyon Green disappearing. into a bad unit. Yep. That one's easy for me though. Just one for one. They should have went with the other guard. Yeah.

And then I don't. Do you think the chargers take force a guard there at that spot then? If that had played out that way or what would the chargers do at that spot then? It's a good question. Maybe they go. Well, they were tied to Alave themselves and then Alave went earlier than 17, obviously. Yeah. There's no receivers really on the board for them.

Yeah, I have no idea how they felt about Berks. I have no idea how they felt about after Berks. Who was it? Watson was next. Watson. Yeah, there's a big gap there. So, I mean, you can't assume that they were looking at him there either. I don't really know what the charges do of Zion.

They might force Kenyon Green there. Oh, they could have gone. Quay, Quay. They could have gone Quay or they could have gone Devante Wyatt. Yeah, that's true. would have been great for that team too. Linebacker and defensive tackle, we said they're not premier positions,

but when they're so bad like they are in Los Angeles, it's like detrimental to the team at this point and has been for like three years now. So I think that they're one team that should have and could have prioritized those positions. And there was like three really solid guys that could have gotten instead with Quay Walker. Devin Lloyd, Devonce Wyatt.

Yeah. So after that, though, I don't see, I don't know of another one in the first round that gets over. Do you think Pittsburgh takes Kenny Pickett again? Yeah, I think they're fine with it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. For right now.

They, they would have taken Pickett there and I still wouldn't take him there. But I think Pittsburgh's probably happy with. That's why I ask it because it's not like, I mean, right, obviously, still early. but I would say it's leaning toward not being great so far yep well what about the Patriots

pick of Cole Strange is probably one that they should should not have done well yeah we know that but Bill's going to be Bill yeah you could give him that opportunity a hundred times I bet you he makes the same pick every time do you think

do you think the Saints go penning again yeah okay I think they were dead set on getting a tackle. And him specifically. They loved him. Yeah. They like his bully ball mentality. I think that will work out.

He's just a little raw. At the time, I thought Dallas taking Tyler Smith was one they might regret, but he's been probably better than I thought he would be so far. Yeah. He's been a mauler. Yeah. Yeah, nothing else in the first round really jumps out as like a, yeah yeah we we we might have messed up here and we already know about it

I mean is this is this one of the most productive first round rookie classes we've seen in recent history I don't know I don't know about productive is the right word but like effective I don't know it feels like the least amount of quick bust potential or something maybe yeah a lot of these guys are playing they're not most of them aren't actually playing very good Like Hutch has by far been the best rookie defensive lineman, and he hasn't been that good. And this class was allegedly loaded with D-Lyman. Right. What about Carl Loftus?

Do you think he goes higher in a redraft? Yes. Yeah, that was one I was thinking about. I feel like he's been pretty bad lately, but. There's too many teams that could have used edge talent somewhere. Yeah. He probably goes higher. He's playing like significant time for them.

Yeah. I think he's, I think he's basically a full-time player on that defense now. Like 80, 85% of their snaps. Pretty much. What about? Logan Hall probably goes higher too. He's played decently well in Tampa this year.

There were a lot of people that thought he should have been in a first round pick as it is. Right, right. I haven't like, I don't think I've paid enough attention to what he's done to, to, to, to really know if I think he's played well. I know there was a game. I'm trying to remember what game it was where I thought he got absolutely obliterated. Oh, it was the Chiefs game. The Chiefs O-line just, they just obliterate both, you know, in the run game and in the

past game. So, but that was what? Like, that was a long time ago at this point. That was the beginning of the year. Chiefs was like, yeah, first three or four weeks, right? Yeah, I think it was four, yeah. Um, sweet. Yeah, there's not too many teams in the first round that, like,

desperately needed a wide receiver that didn't take one either, other than the Ravens, like we mentioned. I would have loved to have seen, like, I don't know, Watson, go for Watson, maybe. Yeah, or Kansas City, actually. That's actually, well, so you just said,

Carlathus is basically a full-time player for them, but they've made a lot of moves at receiver trading for Tony recently. Do they, are they sitting there going, oh, we could have just taken Watson or Pickens or one of the other guys. I think pre-tony trade, yes. It sounds like they love Tony, though. I mean, he's already playing a lot for them, which is surprising considering he's only been there for a couple weeks. He didn't play that much last week.

He ran about 30. Did he catch like four passes? Oh, yeah, but on like 30% of the routes. Oh, well, that's still a lot, I think, considering they have a. Justin Watson played 60 something percent. Yeah, they have a deep room, though, is what I'm saying. They've got five guys they use. So the fact that he's already getting in the mix, I think, is a good sign for him.

He wasn't getting in the mix at all in New York. Yeah, yeah. He's got to, I mean, if he, I'd be very nervous if he's not playing 60 plus percent this week because of Hartman's now in the IR. Juju's not playing. Oh, Hardman's IR? Yeah. MBS is questionable, I think, this week.

So if he is not playing a ton of snaps this week, that is not going to look great for him. Yeah, like, yeah, I was good. I took the word on my mouth that this week is going to be crucial for him. Yeah. Which speaking of Kansas City, they must, is Skymore just not good? Do they regret that pick?

Seems like they probably do at this point. I'm not really sure. See, I would imagine he takes over the Hardman role this week, to be honest. Yeah, he feels like that's what he's getting pushed into. Yeah. I might, so my expectations for Tony this year in Kansas City were low, just because it's really hard for a guy to change schemes midseason and be productive. Even with the injuries, I just, I just did not see Tony carving out a ton of playing time this year.

Yeah. So maybe he gets up to 50% this week. If he gets over that, then I think that's a very good. Who else are they going to have run routes? Did you say MVS is playing? Let's say MVS is out. He's questionable. Well, if MVS is out, he has to be on the field, obviously.

Right. If MDS is in, then you've got Watson, at least Watson playing more than him, and probably Skymore playing more than Tony. Yeah. So I would say Watson, MVS, Skymore, and then Tony, you know, works in, working towards 50%. I wonder if we could see if we'll see a little bit more. two tight end stuff out of them this week. They do it a ton already.

But yeah, it probably would get. They're definitely comfortable doing it. Right. So sure. Well, sweet. So that's some good revisionist history draft talk. Let's pivot for a sec. We're going to wrap the pod shortly here.

But there are two good games I wanted to preview this week. Only two. Unfortunately, we are back to this. The NFL gave us a few weeks of nice, nice games. nice slates. But now this week is really, really ugly. But we do get Dallas, Minnesota and Kansas City Chargers. And unfortunately, they're happening. Oh, they're not the same time slot. Never mind. I thought they were going on at the same time. Yeah, they flex Kansas City. So we got Dallas, Minnesota, 425 slot, and then Kansas City Chargers Sunday night. Let's talk Cowboys at Vikings.

How are you guys feeling about that game? I mean, are the Vikings the most disrespected 8-1 team to be dogs at home at 8-1? I mean, that's crazy. I think what they've done is a little fraudulent, but the fact that their dogs is crazy to me. Yeah, Dallas is getting full America's team hype this week. I've been on this multiple times saying I think the Vikings are not as good as they are, but there's no reason that they should be underdogs at home. No reason for them.

And I think that the Vikings match up really well with the Cowboys. Yeah, that Cowboys defense has not been as strong recently, which is not super surprising. Like defense is extremely volatile season to season and even week to week. It's hard to continuously get pressure. Actually, I'm curious. I forgot to check. but I think Micah Parsons wasn't playing a ton of edge run again last week.

I was just totally because the injuries they're having. Yeah, which is also a major, it's been said multiple times by Brett and Steve on the podcast, that that is a major, major problem for the defense if he is not rushing the passer. Yeah, we're back to just wasting snaps. And I get that Anthony Barr is out, but there's just no way you can tell me that having, Parsons fill in for him when like in reality I know they do a lot of different packages with

their linebackers they do run a lot of 6db stuff I just how can they how can Dan Quinn look at it and say that we need Parsons here he's more valuable to us at this off ball linebacker position while Barr is out instead of just keeping him on the edge I don't like I don't understand it at all I would rather, like, if I was given the choice, I'd rather play my seven-year-old at linebackers just so I could get Parsons on the edge. I mean, like, Donovan Wilson has been a solid box safety, and is arguably, like, at least on third downs when they do go, and granted, Anthony Bar is usually the middle linebacker in those positions,

but, like, I don't know, it just doesn't seem to matter that much to really fill bars spot and have Parsons drop into coverage when he clearly affects the game more and is, I think, clearly more comfortable rushing the passer. They should be looking at this. Like, Cousins is the QB, a type of QB that if you can get him rattled and get him, you know, starting to, like, Cousins is very much the QB. that can quickly go downhill if you start getting to him. Right.

He can unravel. Yes. So like don't, don't mess around with letting him get comfortable. And, you know, the bill's did okay getting at pressure to him, but definitely not as good as they've been in other games. And it seemed to let the Vikings stick around in that game longer than they should to ultimately end up winning it. So if Dallas saw anything in that Bill's,

game, hopefully they learn that we need to be getting full pressure on Cousins for the full 60 minutes. That said, I think you're, you guys are burying the lead a little bit. This is a Dalvin Cook game. The Cowboys have given their last four games, they're given up like 170 yards per game on the ground. Their last two, they've given up over 200 in back-to-back games. So I repeated myself in the same sentence.

That's hard to do, but I did it. But this is a Dalvin Cook game. Kirk in primetime, like, they got to know. Kirk is no good in prime time. We're just going to go ahead and give Dalvin Cook the ball as many times as we need to to win this game. And Dalvin could have a monster day because Dallas has not been good against the run. And it's because, and we say, like, a lot of people have said this is the turnovers have started to disappear a little bit for Dallas. and that's like big like i mean injuries a little bit too but

they were creating turnovers all last season and even at the beginning of the season at like a really high a really high rate and it was obviously very impactful but it's you can see that once those turnovers start going away and they don't get as many it starts it's you know they come back to earth a little bit they're more they do have more holes and things like that so yeah i mean delvin cook should run for 200 york That should be Minnesota's goal. But if I'm Dallas, I'd rather that than Justin Jefferson do to me what he did to the bills. True.

100%. So if it means I'm giving up a little bit more on the ground to have Parsons on the edge, rushing Kirk Cousins every single play, fine. Right. That is the way they win this game. And then on the flip side, Dallas is like, Dallas is all. offense and the Vikings offense are very similar to me and that they are two two teams that have kind of an alpha wide receiver but overall the offense as a whole doesn't really live up to the hype that it gets more often than not so the Vikings defense is not great by any means

CD Lamb's been on a very big hot streak recently could be even hot or even yeah yeah Yeah, busted coverages are nice. But that will happen against Minnesota. Minnesota has had miscommunications on the back end a little bit from time to time. That is true. Brett's just upset because he traded for, traded CD-Land for Cooper Cup in the Dynasty League. And it's not one of the way. All three of us are in that league, Chris.

Oh, yes. That's right. That is that. I traded. Yeah, so I was thinking of ways I could improve my team this year without giving up too much of the future. And I am not a C.D. Lamb guy. So I hit up the one owner in our league who I know is a CD Lamb guy. He happens to have Cooper Cup.

And I convinced him to just do a cup for CD swap because his team is tanking. He's terrible. His team's terrible. He's a big CD guy. Like perfect match. I think I had to throw like a fourth round or something too. Sure. So I trade CD for Cup basically straight up.

And then I get one game out of cup and then he goes down. Wasn't even one of his good games either. That's the worst part. I think I got one good I think I did get two games out of them one good game and then the five five catch for three yard games the week after or whatever it was

something ridiculous like that and then CEDs dropping 30 point games just to rub it in a little oh dude just sheer pain thankfully my team in that league is very good anyways I might I might be okay but I don't know your team's really good too Chris you're you're a force to be reckoned with

yeah we'll see injuries are not looking great right now but yeah just got to just got to ride it out well i kind of hope your entire team dies but that's besides the point that's besides the point so yeah so okay is zeke back for this game is he playing uh i think he's questionable but trending in because if zeke's playing i'm taking minnesota yeah that's that's that's if zeke's in i'm out on Dallas because they're going to give them way too many carries. Like we've seen that from every person in the organization time and time again that for summer that like they're just doubling, tripling down on the contract they gave Zique and just using like coach speak,

owner speak to to convince everyone else or it probably even convinced themselves that that was the right decision. Right. all right so who are you guys taking then let's go cowboys or vikings i'm sticking with minnesota they've been it's probably going to be really hilarious how they win in some way shape or form but i'm i'm taking minnesota it's i just think that there are two teams that are just so similar and so like yeah they're just very similar and I think that Minnesota has just has it this year and I think that they can make it they have the upper tier athletes on the offense that I think can make a difference against Dallas's defense to make

plays to win the game. I would take I don't feel good about it but I'm going to take the Cowboys. I would take Minnesota if I get the points but I'm going to take Dallas to win the game. What is the spreader enough three and a half? Yes, I believe so. It's three and a half. It moved toward Dallas. I thought it was, I thought it opened it plus one. I thought it was, no, it's plus, plus three, I think, and I think it moved to that point. That's even more. I thought it was plus one when it opened.

That's even worse. Chris, correct me if I'm wrong. So disrespectful to Minnesota. I mean, I get it, but. Okay, Steve, while he's looking that up, let's play a fun game. Vikings are going to win in some crazy way. Give me the prediction for what that crazy way is. Use your imagination.

I want this to be. Use my imagination. I have the perfect one for when you're done. Let me, hold on. Let me rack my brain real quick. I'm going to say it's going to be like, it's going to be like a T.J. Hawkinson breaking three tackles for the first time in his career and scoring like a 60-yard touchdown to ice it with like 20 seconds left. Wow.

Yeah, that's actually part of my case. Because that's the trajectory. their season is going, that they're getting the most improbable plays, that why not have T.J. Hawkinson have the game, like, the game clinching touchdown at the end of the game and some long, and like a long, he just like catches a drag route and it just everybody loses contain and he breaks two tackles and off to the races. It's, it's Dallas minus one and a half. It opened a Dallas minus two and a half.

Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. So the points don't really matter then, Chris. No, I thought it was still at that two and a half three area. My prediction for how the crazy way the Vikings will win is that they'll be down four, like two-ish minutes left. They'll be marching into Dallas territory. Kirk's going to throw a yolo ball into the end zone, just completely choke.

His brain's going to break. And Trayvon Diggs is going to pick it off. But Trayvon's going to make the mistake of running. get out of the end zone. Trayvon's going to get tackled by CJ Ham probably because C.J. Ham's a monster. He's going to knock the ball loose. The Vikings recover. Delvin Cook rips off a big run on the very next play.

They take a three point lead and win the game. I was thinking of going that round and I was like, that's too crazy. So I'm glad that you indulged. Hockinson breaking tackles is way crazier than that happening. All right. So I'll take the. Vikings. Home team

underdogs, I don't know if you guys know this. You could bet home team underdogs every year and you'll come out ahead. It's tried and trued for like the last 30 years. So I just, I'll take the Vikings because home team underdogs are weird to bet against in my opinion.

I do think they match up well Delvin Cook should control this game and take the pressure off of primetime Kirk. So, all right, moving on. Last game, and then we're going to bounce out of here. We have on Sunday night football, the Chiefs going into LA to play the Chargers.

There's going to be more Chiefs fans there than Chargers fans, which is fine. Yep. So it's almost a home game for the Chiefs in a lot of ways. So I'll start this one. Unlike last week when the Chargers were in this situation, I do think the Chiefs will wipe the floor with the Chargers. Are the Chargers getting Alan and Williams back?

who knows yeah okay but yeah Williams is likely I believe Alan I think didn't practice again yesterday I won't believe in Alan report until he's actually playing in a game

at this point that's fair all right sorry to cut you off Brett keep going oh no you're good so I didn't frankly I didn't really consider them getting both guys back

if they do get both guys back that might change the math a little bit because I think Herbert's confidence goes through the roof with those guys so but that said let's just assume they only have Williams I don't think they have enough juice to hang with the chiefs

and the chiefs are clicking on all cylinders I think I think they get it done bigly in their LA home game against division rival I do think the chiefs could be in a little bit of trouble if MVS is out too I mean it's just because it's it's tough to go from having your three starting receivers out whether no matter how good they actually are and the difference between them and the guys

It's true. Yeah. It's just a, it's a lot to try to deal with. That is true. So if anything, I could see. So in the world where, you know, MBS is out and the Chargers get at least Mike Williams back, I could see this being, you know, a 2420 game because the Chiefs just can't, like, totally crush it like they normally do.

And the Chargers have a little bit more juice to be able to attack. the Chiefs defense? I wonder if Andy Reid is licking his chops with their run defense and just knowing what, like, the plays he can build up off of that. I don't know, that she, I mean, Pacheco is going to have to have a very good game then because no one else on the Chiefs can run the ball. Give them in the football. He's looked, he's looked decent.

I mean, he's looked. How about C.H falling off a cliff for that? because he had three snaps last week. Do you see they put in a claim for Eno Benjamin? Yeah. They did. Yeah. They hate Clyde.

They just hate him. He may have been getting cut if that went through. Holy crap. That's true. Who would they have cut it? They're not going to cut McKinnon. I don't think they love McKinnon. McKinn's the only guy in their back foot that's like consistent.

Right. You at least know what you're getting every week. Clyde is like such a mixed bag. Pachetcho is still a rookie. and has pretty, you know, spotty vision. So. What a fall from grace in season for CEH going from this darling touchdown score opportunity to three snaps. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's, I mean, that's the way you want to attack the Chargers. The Niners did it last week using their, you know, their leading running back Elijah Mitchell, over the guy that they traded multiple future picks for. But whatever, it did work. McCasley ended up with a bunch of touches, right? By the end of that game. Oh, yeah. It was basically, I think McCaffrey actually had more in the end,

but it was close to 50-50, much closer to. It was even to like the fourth quarter, I think. It was not expected at all. I think there was a press conference with Mitchell after the fact, and he was surprised how close it was. I just wonder if it's, I just wonder if, with like that situation if it is hot hand type stuff like Elijah Mitchell was averaging five yards to carry McCaffrey was at like two and a half for the game right yeah let's trade for a really

expensive running back right and then not give up draft capital then play hot hand with him it's the most Kyle Shanahan thing it is it really is anyways we're off topic guys yeah we are yeah we're back on the pass i'd say Kansas city by 10 points i just don't like the chargers are just banged up all over the place and i just they just don't have much juice right now that like we've said that's just what it comes down to for me and i think that Herbert does play his best games against kansas city his stats and like four games against kansas city are really good but all around the chargers just look like they're kind of floating and mediocrity trying to figure out what direction they're going in this year yeah i think i think this is closer i think i think kansas city wins it but i don't think

it's by much i think the injuries for the wide receivers to the chief is going to be tough the charges derwin james is one of the best cover safeties in the league can limit Travis Kelsey probably better than other safeties out there. They've got tons of experience playing each other. And this, I'll also say that the charges have to have at least Mike Williams back. Yes.

Josh Palmer is not good. I don't even know if they threw the ball to Michael Bandi last game. Who's that? Exactly. That's all you need to know. And DeAndre Carter is kick and punt return.

Turner basically. Right. So if kick and punt. Yeah. So if Austin Echler is leading the charge for that receiving what game again, then yeah, it's not going to go well.

So if Mike Williams is back, I think this game is close, though. I'm, so the spread of this game is minus five in favor of the Chiefs. Chiefs minus five. I'm going to take the Chiefs to cover. But I am so confident that they just win this game that I will even play the money line, I think, even though the odds aren't great.

I think it's $2.50 minus $250 for the money line. So I think the Chiefs win no matter what. I'm pretty confident in that, but I think they'll cover the spread as well. I'm not sure. I'm not sure we'll end double digits because these divisional games sometimes have a tendency to be close. It's true. But I do think you're not far off, Steve.

I think there's a chance. It's a blowout for sure. I wouldn't necessarily bet on it, but I think there's a chance. I think the only way the charges win is if Justin Herbert's deep throw percentage is over 15% for the game. Well, then they lose. I know. That's why it's like to Kansas City. But like that's the pathway is that Justin Herbert needs to let it lose.

He's looked. I mean, he has looked so nervous this year towards the last. I mean, granted, he had the rib injury, but like not necessarily nervous, but just hesitant to rip it deep. And obviously injury, receivers not being there, that all plays a factor. But still, he loses that gunslinger mentality a little bit. Like, he doesn't have the Patrick Mahomes, the Matthew Stafford, like, those type of, like, I don't care who's on the field, F it, it's going deep.

Uh, yeah. And he needs to have that because the dude can fit ball into places that, like, only three quarterbacks can do it. And so, like, he needs to kind of get back to pushing the boundaries a little bit and taking those risks instead of checking down to Echler every pass. So you just mentioned that. That's actually what I'm most interested in this game is like the Chiefs linebackers have played really well this year. I want to know how many times Echler catches the ball and then gets immediately tackled. What is that number, Chris?

like eight, eight receptions for 10 yards. You think something in that area? At least half are going to be behind the line of scrimmage. So yeah. Yeah. You're right. The Bolton and gay, those guys have looked so fast. Side line,

sideline defending, like checkdowns. Kind of sounds like a law firm. The law office is a Bolton and gay. Maybe we should pitch that to him. Yeah. I like it. All right. I'm going to throw in a bonus game.

I don't want to discuss. the game though. I just want to know if I'm insane or if you know, anyways can the Detroit lines go into East Rutherford, New Jersey and beat the Giants? Yes or no? Yes. Biased. But yes.

No, I'm saying no. Really? Now we have to discuss the game. I'm surprised that you don't think Daniel Jones is going to run for 100 yards this game. I don't care if he does. Joseph Fields ran for what? 170?

Yeah. Miami. I think he went for like $130, didn't he? I just think the way. 80 on one play. I think the way the Giants are playing right now is not conducive to the way. The lines like need as many offensive opportunities as they can get because their offense is so up and down.

Whereas I see the Giants playing slower and just kind of killing them on the ground, whether it's Daniel Jones or Barclay. And I think that a short line is, are going to win this football game. And so, Chris, to your point, that is what I think is the crucial aspect of this game, is Detroit needs to hold the Giants to under 45%, 40% on third down. Like, third down is going to make or break this game, I think. Yeah, I, the Lions have got, they've gotten some drafts rehearsals for this game,

and they've kind of slowly gotten a little bit better. I know they gave up the one big play to fields last week, but they're getting better at dealing with conflict that they're put in. The one way you can exploit the Lions is deep passing, and the Giants can't freaking do it. So I think this game is definitely close, and I just have a hunch. I have a feeling that this ends with the Lions W in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

And I mean, the last from week six to 10, the Giants are giving up six yards of character. on the ground. Right. Yep. Jamal Williams is sick, though. I think he's still going to play, but that could be bad if he's not really wanting to thump.

Was he not back at practice yesterday? I thought he was back in practice yesterday. He was. He's going to play, but I know he's got some lingering. I think it was upper respiratory, which is going around Michigan right now. I don't know if it is. It's like, yeah, RSV's breaking. Well, actually, Chris, you said, it's breaking out in your area, too.

Yeah, RSV is really bad this year. So not that adults are affected by that, but there's an adult version of whatever that, you know, we get. So anyways, I do think this mad, I know the lines are three and six, the Giants are seven and two. We've praised the Giants of what they've done repeatedly, but these two teams just match up well, I think. And the lines have got the things the Giants do well,

the lines have gotten a lot of practice seeing that look in live games, whether it was the Eagles, the Seahawks, and then the Bears last week. I just feel good about what they're going to be able to do. Teams haven't really run the ball on the lines lately on first and second down, other than quarterback runs. I don't, does any team do it more than the Giants with the read option?

Maybe the Eagles, and that's it? Eagles for sure do, the Cardinals will randomly have games where they tag read option on everything. Yeah. Baltimore Baltimore sometimes

doesn't need to do a lot of redop they just do straight you know the Giants do

counterbash yeah Giants do a ton so yeah I just I have a feeling

about this and this is also the Kenny Gallaudet revenge game yeah oh is wait who is that

again I forget it's that alpha wide receiver that used to play for the lions oh baby That's right. That's how I know him. Babytron. He got he got crowned a little early on that guys.

I think, Steve, did he not get the Babytron nickname after his first preseason game? It was very, very, Detroit fans are psychotic. Psychotic. We're like so optimistic all the time for the most part. I mean, just trying to grasp it anything to be hopeful and happy about. That's what's our MO. On the flip side, Jared Goff just needs to take care of the ball. Like, he'll, Their secondary has played very well. They don't force, they haven't forced a ton of turnovers this year. And I think that if Jared Goff can be patient, I think they might get Josh Reynolds back this week, which is big.

I think that could be big for the Detroit offense to just have another legitimate receiving option out there. But I think it's just that if Jared Goff stays patient, takes what's given to him. I think Amon Ross A. Brown, who has, like, him being healthy again has completely changed their offense and their passing attack to where, like, Jared Gough having him as a safety blanket is so crucial. I think it's so crucial to that offense and is so crucial to Jared Gough's confidence throughout a game that as long as he's not trying to force things and he stays patient, plays like even just, you know, he can have his 6.2 A dot game if he wants. to, but just as long as he's not forcing the ball into coverage, he's going to be okay because the Giants defense, that's what the Giants defense is just like waiting for people to

try and take too many chances. And then those two interior defensive linemen just pinning their ears back and going and getting after the quarterback, which is a strength on the Detroit offensive line. Their interior offensive line matches up pretty well if Ragnow is good to go. I know that he was on the injury report this week. so we talked about the Vikings being severely overrated well the giants also are like they've beat the collection of the worst teams in the NFL yeah we looked at that they beat the panther yeah the Texans the jaguars the packers actually I think three of their wins are against teams the lines have also beat so um you know there is that and there's been no like there's no like convincing win that's also the case of the lines but like with a team that's seven and two usually there's uh game in there where they, you know, put their stamp on it.

But it's been a lot of flip of the coin games where they could be two and seven. They could be seven and two right now. And they are seven and two. And there is merit to that because they have the coaching and the talent and the ability to pull out games at the end. That's a, that's a talent, in my opinion. Right. And that could be really important because this is a game that probably does. come down to the last one or two possessions again.

Right. Common opponent is actually crazy. So the Lions have beat three teams, the Giants have also beat. The two Giants losses are also two teams the Giants lost to in the Cowboys in Seattle. The Lions lost to Seattle by three points. The Giants lost them by 14. So some, you know, I think some, not that you can hang your hat on that stuff necessarily, but I think there's some, there's some signs where Detroit should be more competitive in this

game than people think they should be. So I'm taking Detroit though to win. I'm not biased at all, I promise. Not biased. Sam's super hopeful at all. No, never. That's not me. I mean, real quick, is Daniel Jones probably the,

do you think he's the least athletic running quarterback they faced so far this year? Like Jalen Hertz, Justin Fields, Daniel Jones? Well, yeah, I'm on that group. I think he's very athletic for a quarterback. But yeah, of that group. That's what I mean is like the Lions. Oh, Gino, he's probably a little more. athletic than Gino.

Okay. But still, like having this be their fourth running quarter, their fourth, like, mobile quarterback play. Yeah. Like, there's also a lot of. Wentz is pretty mobile, too. Yeah, but he is a garbage, he had a garbage offensive line and couldn't move. Yeah.

Yes. But yeah, that's why I was saying that they've had, like, their rehearsals for this game. Yes. And then, like, yeah, I would much, I would much rather try to contain Jones. and fields or hurts. Like that's, yeah, absolutely. Yes. Cool.

All right. That's going to do it for us. Thank you so much for listening. We will be back Wednesday, reviewing the week 11 slate that hopefully is better than it looks. I am your host, Bart Whitefield, my host Stephen O'Rourke. Our guest, Christopher We are out. Thanks for tuning in to this edition of the Fantasy Points podcast.

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