Fantasy Football Daily - 2022 Week 12 Matchup Points Premium Podcast

Episode Date: November 24, 2022

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What is up, everyone? Happy Thanksgiving. The week 12 matchup points live stream here at fantasy points.com. I'm John Hansen, our guy, Bankucanus, on the other side, making this little live stream happen. There's Adam Kaplan just out of prison and Greg CoSell here. Apparently, Greg was Adam's lawyer. How bad for you? That's pretty good. Yeah, thank you. Oh, I just kicked my camera. Look at that. But how are you guys? Happy. Thanksgiving. Damn to you, Johnny. All right. All right. Let's get to it here. The Thanksgiving festivities kicking off tomorrow, Mr. C. We go to you for the injury updates here. So Jeff Akuta, what is the status there, sir? Yeah, so he has concussion and he is out. He is out. Charles Harris is one of the best pass rushes out. Jonah Jackson is one of the starting guards is out with concussion. Evan Brown had been back in up center, starting guard he's out so they and uh josh ronald's they're saying is they'll make a decision after pregame warm

ups he's closer than he was last week but i i can't imagine him playing but we'll see oh so for while we're doing injuries here for the bills uh edmund's a lineback or what's uh yeah he's out for man he's out again with his scored and gill injuries and rousseau's out with his high ankle at panessa uh the one of their dns is it's not expected play with his uh with his ankle. Now, I've not heard on Trudeavis White yet. I'd be surprised if he played only because he didn't play last week. Elam is out too, you know. No, no, no, no. He's, he's scared. Uh-uh. Oh. He took all the reps today. I don't think so. Oh, maybe that's an old status from last one. I'm looking at the damn. He was in active last week. Okay. Yeah, that's an unupdated thing. Okay, good.

All right. Well, Greg, how much of the lions have you seen lately on on tape? Because, you know, we in the fantasy world we see that they're starting to be pretty good against a run but overall the defense is they're not like a pushover right now well to me the more interesting thing of the bills john because i did watch the bills i didn't see the lions um the bills made a major change this week they had been about 73 percent 11 personnel prior to this game and in this game they were about 43 percent 11 personnel and in fact singletarian cook had 29 rushes between them 22 of those rushes can't came out of base personnel groupings. So they clearly made it a change. I think they were trying to get some stability back to their offense. You could tell in the first half that Josh Allen was still a little tentative and uncertain. And as the game progressed into the third quarter, you could tell that he was starting to feel a lot better and he was turning the ball loose, which he was not doing in the first half.

But I'd be curious to see if this is a change, particularly with only three days here, keep that in mind. You know, this is not a full week of practice. with only three days if they do a lot of this similar type things, just, you know, because you just don't have a lot of practice time. Was there any tie in there with Dawson Knox's usage, or was that, you know, not not, that was kind of irrespect. Other than a seamball, he caught checkdowns.

So that's not really a usage thing to me. I mean, I know it counts for fantasy, but I can't sit here and say, guys, they were trying to pump it to Dawson Knox. Gotcha. The one thing they did a lot of, was they actually played the pony package quite a bit. And every time they did that, they gave the ball to cook. So, you know, Heinz was not used as a runner.

He was kind of used as a movement motion player, but they gave the ball to Cook who had big runs out of the pony package. Yeah, you were talking about James Cook getting a little bit more going in the running game two weeks ago. He's got juice. He's got more juice. Absolutely. Yeah, and you kind of nailed it too.

Like, no, it's not in the passing game where they might be looking to get them going. It's actually in the running game. Yep. Because he does have that juice in Adam. It doesn't seem like they right now know how to use Naheem Hines. Well, they're only using him as a returner, punt and kick, but that's not what they traded for him. So, yeah, sometimes it's hard.

You just can't plug a guy in immediately. All right, you're a backup running back. But I give the Bill's credit with this, because you remember, John, when Cook had that fumble in the first game against the Rams, they kind of bench them for two months. And obviously, he's gotten himself together, and he's got some juices, Greg said.

I mean, this is a, they need it too because they need explosions, just explosive place for having back to it. Well, we know what the lions are all about. You know, these days playing a little bit better defense and running the ball.

They're kind of hiding Jared golf. I don't know if that's by design or what, but they're really thin here. No Jameson Williams. And you said Josh Reynolds, what's he technically a game time at him? Yes, yes. Technically it'll be after pregame.

He's close on he was last week. But this is that new injury, which is the back injury. They're really down here with with with chark as his ankle. It's the same ankle that it keeps, he keeps injury. You know, he had surgery on it last year.

And he's clear to play, but you know, you can't depend on him. And that's why Raymond has been played as much as he has. Yeah. It's interesting what you say about Jared Goughlin. I know he's not a runner, but he's got the same number of touchdown passes as Jalen Hertz.

That, that is incredible. It hurts. What does he have 10? He's got a lot of rush. Oh, no, no, I'm not, obviously, he's not as good a player. That's not my point. Oh, no.

From a fantasy perspective, and obviously Hertz has like seven rushing touchdowns, which is huge. But it's not like Goff is. I mean, Gough has not really been bad this year. I mean, you don't know what Gough is, but he's not been bad. No, he was really good for all the injuries, John. I think he, well, he had two four touchdown games that really skew the numbers, but, you know, he's just not throwing it. I mean, the attempts lately are 26, 37, 26, 26, 26.

So you're at 26. Yeah. Either they're hiding you or you have no receivers. And in this case, it's probably they have no receivers. So. No, he is, he is, you know, he's 15th in the league when it comes to quarterback dropbacks. Right. And also, John, they're not, they're not behind like they were because they're changed after week six.

That too. Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're just, they're becoming more about defense and running. the ball basically, which is kind of in the mold of the coach, I'm sure, you know, overall. Giants and Cowboys, and I see Adam that, you know,

Richie James is a little still questionable because he's got to play for Wondell. Yeah, he's got it. James, this is the second knee injury. I would think he would go. They only had to walkthroughs this week. Yeah, but it's crazy, I mean, other than the Rams, the most bang up team, but Belanger, of course, with that eye injury. Azudu, who Greg has told us about.

He's out. Yep, he's out. In fact, this is really bad. They're either alignment of neck injuries. Feliciana's out their center. Zudu's out with the neck. Joey Jackson's out with his knee injury. Faber Morrow, who played a lot last week.

In fact, he was their second and third corner. He's out with him bleak injury. Tyree Phillips has been a great fine for them coming over for Baltimore, who's playing right tackle. He should play with his neck injury. Lemieux's out, he just came back from IR. He's out with a toe injury. Andrew Thomas isn't feeling well, but he should play. But John, I don't know how they're going to score this week.

It is going to be tough. Barclay averaging 3.6 yards to be carried the last four weeks. And Greg, if you had the John's, I mean, saw what happened last week. Daniel Jones had the longest stretch with that out of an interception in the NFL throws two, of course, because they had to throw it a lot. So, I mean, it's almost like some of these teams like, you know, we're down 20, but here's a handoff, right? I mean, well,

that's a really tough matchup. I just, just finished watching the Cowboys defense. And, boy, their defensive front is really difficult. They rotate in, 9, 10 guys.

They're multi-positional. They line up all over. They stunt. They're really a difficult front to play against. And when you talk about these kinds of injuries that the Giants have right now, there's going to be a tough deal. Like Dan Quinn is like bringing it this year too, right? He probably changed things up a little bit.

It seems like he's doing a hell of a job. Well, they just got really good people up front and people who can line up in a lot of different spots. Right. I love the way he uses the personnel. Yeah. So cute. Greg, how much of the Cowboys have you seen? Because, you know, I've kind of been somewhat low-key obsessed with like this whole tight-end blocking thing from last year where they had a big drop off without Blake Jarwin.

But it seems like these two rookies are really helping out. And you've probably seen they had some snaps with three tight ends last week. week. They sure did. I watched their offense this week. Yeah, they, you know, they, this was a really good week for them, obviously offensively. They were eight for ten on third down. They didn't have long conversions, you know, they were very, they were very efficient offense. And, and, you know, they probably, in the overall scheme of things, it'll be interesting to see what happens with OBJ, because the Cowboys could probably use another one. And I think Lamb is essentially a slot receiver. I think that's when he's at his best.

Sure. Yeah. We did get a jail and Tolbert catch last week, which was like, oh, wow, it was like a big deal. But, you know, I just get the vibe lately that maybe it's a function of the match of the matchup of the opponent, but they're kind of like feeling the old, you know, cowboys from like a year or two ago, you know, when they're running the rock and working off of that. I mean, this was an odd game because it was over, you know, middle third quarter or so, late third quarter.

Yeah. So I didn't see the tollboard catch because it probably happened in the fourth quarter. I was gone by then because I wasn't going to learn anymore about what was going on. Right. But, you know, Pollard's been a big factor for them both as a runner and as a receiver. You know, that 68-yarder was a really well-designed play. They matched him up on the linebacker Hicks. But no, they're, you know, they're a solid offense and they've got a pretty good old line.

So it's, you know, look, they're not going to score 40 every. week. Yeah, no, Dory Jackson, too. Again, I don't know if I mentioned that one there for the Giants. Yeah, I just feel like, you know, we saw the old line kind of deteriorate last year and they just couldn't run the ball. And boy, it's, it's getting a lot better this year. And of course, Tyrant Smith may be on the man here returning pretty soon. Let's go to the New England Patriots and the Vikings. Greg, I'll go to you. I don't know if you saw Mack Jones, but it did. Okay, because it felt like to me, okay, this maybe maybe we've turned a little bit of a corner here with mac jones in this new revived

offense did he look uh much better on tape or no incremental progress no in fact their offense is so condensed jones is still not consistently playing with the pocket precision and the ones that he has to play with um you know he's still showing a tendency to play a little fast they don't throw the ball down the field yeah you know that they have a play here and there right um you know and And so his numbers were good because he threw a ton of, you know, high percentage. High percentage throws. I mean, that's why the numbers were pretty good. But there's no verticality whatsoever.

There's no big plays in this offense. Yeah, and I don't know what that is because, you know, they were taking some shot plays down the field to Parker and Thornton just a couple of weeks ago, right? Yeah, they didn't in this game. Yeah. And even the week before, I watched him, and I kind of made the same notes. I don't think he's a very comfortable player right now. He's leaving throws on the field. He's moving when he doesn't have to.

He's not a comfortable player right now. John, you know, they made some changes that the staff, particularly Patricia, to Josh McDonaghan of his offense and I want to understand. Jones is not comfortable with it. I think that's shown all of the same. I think we've known that. I thought he was better last week. The numbers, I think.

Numbers looked better from fantasy, but he wasn't really better. Yeah. Well, I didn't study it. I didn't get to that yet, but damn. That's what we got, right? Yep. No Christian Barmore. I mean, keep one thing in mind, John, they didn't score a touchdown.

True. I know that defense, oh, man. I know, but John, but they didn't score a touchdown. I mean, that's the bottom line point. Sure. For fantasy, you can say, hey, it was 23 for 27 for 246. That's not bad. But they didn't score a touchdown.

Right. Much better match up this week, though, I do think in Minnesota. They're down the corner, right? So they're down a corner. Mr. C, right? Yeah, they're down a bunch of ones, as matter of that. So, yeah, I think...

It's not dancer. No, no. Well, dancers don't I know. Oh, it is, it is dancer, right. Yeah, Booth, the rookie from Clemson's started last week. Yeah, he booths is out with a knee injury. Remember, he left early. Evans, the other kid who was starting over,

Booth, he's out with concussions out again. Yeah. So that's where New England, I know that they don't throw particularly well because they've made some changes here with the staff. But they've got to take advantage. The thing with New England, John, is they've got a lot of guys that's the football.

Oh, I know. I mean, it's ridiculous. You got Johnu and Henry out there combining five catches his last week. Well, and they played a ton out of two tight-in sets, John. They played a ton out of two tight-in sets this past week. Yeah. You still call them a run-heavy offense, I think, to be fair, right? Yeah, I guess.

I mean, but, you know, they played 39% of their offensive snaps last week at a 12 personnel. That's a pretty high number. Right. Well, the matchup is a lot better. It is a lot better than the last week's. And it is very, I do kind of like that. They can rush the quarterback. So keep that in mind.

Minnesota. A great past protecting offensive line. Minnesota. I know. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. It's not going to be easy for either side, honestly.

So as a move over here, you know, the Vikings obviously, I'm sure they'll be a lot better. That's what they do. They will be. When expectations. are high, they fall flat, and then they always kind of regress to the, you know, to the mean or whatever. So, although I guess Darisol will not play this week, right? Yeah, he's down.

Gotcha. He's down here. Check a one in two weeks. Yep. Yeah. And how, how instrumental do you think that injury was last week, or was it more of a overall just collapsed? Well, he actually got beat himself by Armstrong on a great speed to power rush.

But the guy who replaced him, Brandel, was he struggled. right well uh i mean you do have a pass rush with the uh patriots i mean this patriot's d you know once again their d's good yeah once again on the back end too they're like really good and then judon is a problem every week right right right i know judan's a really good player really good player i mean do you do you go you know typical old school bellichickian theory when you look at like all right they're going to look to take out justin jefferson basically in this game yeah they'll do that you know situationally without question. Yeah, I kind of feel like it'll be one of those things where it's like,

oh, if Hawkinson has to catch seven balls for 51, you know, it's not a tragedy, right? You know, I think they can, you know, play it like that and maybe be a little adamant. Well, they certainly would live with seven for 51. That would not, that would, I think if you said that Jefferson was going to be relatively muted and Hawkinson was going to catch seven for 51, they'd probably be okay with that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's kind of what he's doing, actually, in Minnesota. He's got like nine targets in every game.

And I think five or six catches in every game, but not a lot of yards per catch. Should have a quarter touchdown this week. He actually dropped. I saw it. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, that was in the back of the end zone there. He kind of had it.

Low red zone. Yeah. They went to him in the low red zone on consecutive plays. Yes, they did. The one connected. Yes, they did. And do you have any thoughts on, you know, their approach? You know, it's like, yeah, I guess it's easy to say now, but maybe guys you should have ran it last week in Minnesota.

A little bit more. A little bit more. Come out, run. Well, they did. They actually played with 12 personnel more than they have in any game this season by a wide margin. And they came out and they ran the – this game was not a blowout for a quarter and a half. It wasn't like it was 30 to nothing after three series. They actually ran the ball and they ran it well.

And then the game got out of hand mid to late second quarter. Okay. All right. So again, another game, I didn't have a chance to go back and actually watch. So it seemed like maybe they were a little too aggressive with the past. No, they were, they played out of 12 and they were trying to run the ball. All right. Adam, anything else standing out to you here?

Any injury? We have Jefferson on the injury report. Yeah, he's the same tow engine. He's got a mild case of turf until his deal fight. Yeah. It's just Darrysal and all the corners being out. But if Joshman Daniels is the OC here, I'd do a lot better about MacDow. I'd think they'd rip them apart.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I have, I mean, I've, yeah. I'm trying to be optimistic. It's been a train rack. with these personnel. I don't know what they're doing from week to week. Yeah,

Matt Jones was making such progress last season. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then you, you know, love Bill, but I don't know.

It's a projection. I mean, he is at least completing 70% of his passes. Matchup's much better. Should have to probably throw a little bit more than usual, but we'll see about that. Denver at Carolina,

they finally make the switch here to Sam Darnold. Why not? I mean, we did have that run with Darnold and DJ Moore last. year. Tough matchup, of course. You know, DJ Moore is going to see a lot of Certain on the outside. That's really bad. I don't necessarily trust Terrace Marshall. Adam, do you have anything of note here on this game, injury-wise, or anything else? Yeah, the only, Jerry Judy, despite what the head coach said,

he hasn't, he's missed four straight practices. So he better, he's going to need to work tomorrow a Friday to have a chance to play. For Carolina, nothing, nothing, nothing out of order here for fantasy purposes. Well, we should talk about the backfield situation, of course.

Well, it's, Murray's the last fan standing. I mean, it's really crazy what's happened here. Now, if you're in a deep league, though, which you pick up Mike Boone, I just have this suspicion. Mike Boone is going to be back in the mix, because he's eligible, come on. When he comes back from the IR, yeah. They don't need somebody.

they need somebody he'll be the other back i think over marlin yeah because nari i mean it's really remarkable to see what they've done there running their back um and then edmund has a high influence sprain so he's on i r now they got marlin back or they just sign off the ninth practice spot so it's an absolute train wreck this team i didn't see a lot of the game last week had did dulcch miss some plays again where wilson missed him i didn't see it back but i don't know if you did gregg but he was a little bit more involved i didn't you know i can't i have not I don't really have anything on either of these teams. I haven't seen Caroline in a little while.

Carolina D. was a little bit better last week. You know, Dulcich is, I mean, until they get Judy back, he's kind of like the second option in the passing game, really, that you can count on. And they're just trying to get the ball to Cortland Sutton as much as possible, not making much down the field. And Murray will get the ball here. So will foreman, by the way, because Denver's have been run on.

So a lot of foreman here, Adam, right? No, no doubt. He's the guy there. Speaking of the guy and in a backfield, how about in Tampa, Tampa at Cleveland, they're not yet committing here on Wednesday night to Leonard Fournett.

Still apparent a little sore coming out of the by. So from somebody I heard from Mr. Brady is really advocating for Mr. White to be the guy. And my guess is what he says does mean something. Oh, yeah, baby. So did you see that? Did you happen to see that tape from Rashad White's last game? Yeah, because they had a week off. I did, yeah.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So what did you say? Did you see any, I feel like, again, like got any of reps, got some volume. I feel like, you know, it's a sample-sized thing. The more he gets, the more comfortable he seems to look. Well, at this point in time, again, that's all I can tell you. At this point in time, he's a better runner than Leonard Fournette.

And, you know, the reason Fournette has played for the most part is pass protection, because White's actually a very good receiver as well. So, you know, I think, look, you know, it's like we spoke about in the summer when I told you that sooner than later, Travis Ateen would become the back in Jacksonville. Because you know what? In this league, you've got to play the better players. And right now, White is a better player than Fournet. Now, I'm not in their meeting rooms. I'm not in their building.

But White is a better player than Fournet right now. If they want to stick with Fournet because he's been there through thick and thin and they want a Super Bowl. bowl with him and all that good stuff. You know, I can't speak to that kind of feeling and emotion, but White's a better player than Fournet right now. Well, White, Adam, including the passing down work, has moved into a 50-50 time share at worst. Yeah, I would think it would be touch share should be 60-40, 65-35, going forward.

There's no reason. Like, I get that Fornet could handle half protection pretty well. I get that. But he's got no juice. This kid gives it to him. He looked good against Seattle. It's sometimes it's so obvious. It's too obvious.

See, that's the thing. It's to me, John, and again, we don't want to spend a lot of time in this because you all agree, you know, but it's just, it's there on tape. You know, the players know, the coaches know, it's there. Oh, yeah. Well, this was literally my prediction in the summer that this would happen. And Rashad has been, Greg, is it fair to say? Rashad is everything so far we thought he was. Yeah.

You know, he just hasn't had the opportunities because obviously they have a history for Nets. with four net and i get that but white's a better player so to me he has to play now again that doesn't mean he's going to play a hundred percent of the snaps as we all agree but he's going to have to play yeah and you know bouncing it out would probably be healthy and it does it feel like to you Greg that the bucks are going to go on a little bit of a run here well they've gotten better on third down you know they've gotten better in some areas that they need to be better at um so they could i mean you still have Brady. And, you know, Brady made a couple of throws where I said to myself, wow, he's still throwing the ball really well. He threw a seam ball to Aten, which I thought was,

wow, that was a really, you know, really good throw. So yeah, could they, absolutely. It's hard to count out Tom Brady. It just is. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Cup by the way, John, right now, unless it changes, it's going to rain the entire game. Oh. Oh, so keep it out. Rain. Where's the game? In Cleveland. It's not snow, rain. Oh, well, that's terrible. Yeah, so in terms of John, the running backs could be very involved. Well, Brady is the best bad weather quarterback of all times. So, I mean, as far as I'm concerned.

See what the wind is. We'll see what the good condition is. Yeah, a little early work. Yeah, you don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Where do you think, Greg, I'll go back to you and Adam. I know you were high on this buck's defense.

Where do you think we are with these guys? A little healthier. A lot healthier. A lot healthier. I feel like they're going to go on a run. Well, I think the key guy to me watching tape is Winfield. He's back. I think he's really critical to what the Bucs do.

It'll be a tough spot here for Berset and the Browns, who actually looked damn good last week. In Rissette's last game. Yeah, it could be a tough one. And, you know, our data points on the matchup here, excluding the weather concerns for the passing game for Tampa. Very good. The Browns have been very giving pretty much all year.

You do have to worry about Miles Garrett. Baltimore Ravens at Jacksonville and apparently Lamar has got, you know, something else here. He plays through most of these issues at him, but they said he's going to play. Okay. Is it the hip or is he got an illness? No, he's over the hip. He was illness last week played. He's got a new injury came out of the game with him.

But they say he's going to, this is precautionary today. They said it's going to. Gray, I don't know if you saw that tape. What is hip? What is that? I don't know if you get, I got that one. I don't know. It's hip to be square.

No, that's it. I got it. I know the band because I actually, do you know who was from that band? This is an incredible question. Think Balco. Well, do you know the band? Yeah, yeah. It's the funk band that Paul Allen loves.

Oh. From Oakland. Yeah. That's a victor. The guy. Power of power. Tower of power, yeah. The guy from Balco was actually.

Back to Oakland. Yeah, yeah. It's a, yeah. Good call by you. What is hip? That's a great song. Good for you. Good for you.

Good for you. I love that song. What is it? What is it? Remembering a song from half a century ago. No, it's a funk song. You got you should know that one.

No, I don't. I don't. I missed it. Hey, I can't cover every single book. Power was big in the seven years, John. By the way, Paul Allen, the voice of the Vikings loves that group. Yeah, I vaguely remember the name. I was probably watching Scooby-Doo or something at the

the time though. You know, do you think DeMarcus Robinson, Greg, might kind of stick here? I mean, maybe Devin Duverne has been miscast as an outside receiver. I would struggle,

John, you could be right. All I would say is I would struggle because they're passing game really other than Andrews. To me, it is almost weak to week as to who the ball gets thrown to.

So I know he had big numbers last week. I didn't see the tape. But I don't. know if that's going to be a weekly occurrence. We got to hang around. You could be right. I'm not, you know, I'm shooting out of my, you know what. I'm just saying, you know, theoretically, you know, he is more of your typical outside

receiver, you know. Yeah, but in the context of their offense, which is a little different than many, Juvene is a factor. Now, you know, so. It hasn't been, though. That's the thing. I was optimistic, you know. Well, I don't think their past game has been that great, to be honest with you.

Yeah. Yeah. It's also, their pest game's a little bit random. Yeah. Right. That's a great word, Adam, and that's correct. That's fair. I struggle.

What I do is I'll watch, you know, I'll just flip around on the redstone. And then we get access to all 22 on NFL.com. So I'm curious sometimes, John, because you brought up Duvrenay. He's a guy, you know, he was surprising earlier the season. Yeah. I don't know. Nothing. Yeah, it's really, remember, he was an outside receiver.

Then he got moved to slot. He put up a hundred whatever catches is Fonnier or Texas. But I remember talking to Ravens in training camp. They knew that, in fact, they felt like because it was really, it was really a two-passed target offense. This Andrews and the other kid who went on IR.

Who's the kid from Minnesota went on IRJ? You know what I'm talking about. The first rounder, the first rounder who has a list front injury. Rashad Baton. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So they just, they decided, you know what?

We don't need a waste of draft pick. We'll just, we'll bring in a veteran and nothing's spectacular. Right. It's what everybody's healthy, John, I don't see Dubeney being much of a factor. Right, right. For the Jaguars here, you've seen enough of this Raven Day. It feels like, you know, they're improving. Patrick Queen seems to be coming on here.

Maybe the Roquan edition help. but I worry I wonder about like the Christian Kirk matchup. Have you seen Marlon Humphrey do any traveling? I'm just wondering if maybe this is a spot for Marlon Humphrey to travel against Christian Kirk. My immediate response, and again, there's no way to know this stuff would be no. Okay. That'd be good. That would be great.

That would be my, my just general thought, no. Okay. He is in the slot a quarter of the time. basically, 25% of the time. So, okay, that would help Christian Kirk. You know, any thoughts on Trevor Lawrence coming off that buy in this matchup? I think Lawrence the last two games has actually looked better, you know, but he looked better at the first three, four games of the season as well.

Let's hope that he's truly turning the corner. I think he's been more decisive, more efficient, balls coming out. I think the last two games, we've seen a positive sign for Lawrence. So again, will that continue? I don't know, but it's been good because I've seen those two games on tape. We're trending in the right direction. Correct. After a tailspin there for about a month.

Correct, correct. Moving on to the Texans and the Dolphins Adams, and Davis Mills has been benched. And they're probably going to take a quarterback in the first round. Not probably. I would definitely. And they have, John, they have the NFL. it's one of the NFL's worst rosters.

They've got selected. Like if you go to the roster, you go, okay, this guy could play, this guy could play. Then you go, wow, where are the players here? This is just a bad roster. It's a shame.

Mills has talent. And he just, when bodies around him, man, he just, yeah, this past game against Washington. Yeah. It's just completely week to week, Greg, right? He struggled.

I mean, I liked him, you know, and I still think he's got talent. But he's, you know, he's a classic, in some ways, I'm not saying he's exactly this guy, but they're similar. You could argue he's like Kirk Cousins.

He's an executor and a ball distributor. And those guys, if they're on bad teams, can look bad. Like Matt Schaubb or, you know. Yeah, Matt Schaubb was on a good team. Shabby was actually a decent player. Oh, he was on a good team. Then he fell off. He just completely, John.

He was a second round pick, right? Davis Mills was a second round pick, wouldn't he? Was Chabba third round or second round? Yeah. But he may have been third. I think it was second. Anywho, you know, I, I did write for the site about, I think it was two weeks ago about Damien Pierce.

I actually said, you know what? This a bit much. Maybe I'm worried about a rookie wall. So I said, you know, maybe sell them, trade them. We'll see. Adam, you've been at this for a long time. I mean, the workload of that kid in the spot that he's in. And then you saw what happened last week.

So would you be worried? Well, they got to get, they need to help him out a little bit. And, you know, I don't know if even though Benjamin could do it or they climbed off waivers last week. It will behoove them to get him to just get him off the field a little bit. They're so bad, this is what you worry about with these backs and bad teams. Eventually it becomes a problem because they just can't move the ball down field. And that's where they're at right now. They can't do anything right.

It's, uh, Greg could attest to the offensive line stuff. I don't think. Yeah, no, they're a bad team. They have a bad roster. It's a bad team. Yeah. It's a shame. shan.

What's up at Stingley? We'll see how it goes this week for him. Yeah, he didn't play last year. I don't know yet. Yeah, well, they're actually not bad. Greg, you always, you know, you always bring up, you know, Lovie, the cover two. I mean, it's everything's going to be there.

Like, Mike McDaniel knows what's coming. So I'm sure they're going to design some plays that just bust this. They could run the ball a little more this week, you know? Oh, for sure. You know, they're a bad run defense and, you know, what you're going to get and, you know, obviously, look, Wilson came in and had 119 in the last game. Oh, God, yeah, yeah, for sure. They're going to run the wrong.

Oh, like Stigley didn't work today. That's four straight practice these men's. Okay. Chicago at the Jets and more news here. Well, what do you think about this Justin Field situation, Adam? This does seem a little scary. Yeah, it's doubtful he'll play. He didn't really, he did next to nothing today.

So you're looking at Trevor Simney. that's pretty much it. It's a revenge game for Trevor Simeon. Dare I say, Greg, well, obviously they're not going to play offense like they've been playing with field, so we're probably going to get, you know, more passing from Trevor Simeon, right? Is that a given that he's going to play? No, but right now he can not get cleared to play.

They have to clear him physically. I heard he did very little today. Right. Field. So it's, yeah. Yeah. Putting aside fantasy, which he's good for, what have we learned about Justin Fields this year?

We learned that he runs like a deer compared to even the fastest contemporaries. He's incredibly dynamic for a guy. He can make some nice throws, but we kind of already knew that. You know, can he string together, you know, a bunch of things. series where he's, you know, playing, you know, a little bit less school yard ball.

No, we haven't learned that much. So are people, then we'll move on. I've had this conversation this week with a bunch of people. Are we ready to call a quarterback a great quarterback in the NFL because he's a better runner than he is a pastor? No. No, no. I think if you're a runner, you need to turn, take a turn like the turn that Jalen

Hertz is doing right now. that's a trajectory that I can sign off on, you know, you know, because it does seem like the running is more of a back pocket item. See, John, I don't know if he has it. He's immensely talented fields in terms of, I mean, he throws a pretty ball, he's got a big arm and all that,

you know he can run. But it's, it's taking the next step. Right. Greg, is there any similar to Colin Kaepernick? I think he's a better throw than Colin Kaepernick, but that's. But it seemed like, Colin Kaepard had never progressed to win from the pocket.

It was all about the running and second reaction. Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, look, Fields actually throws a ball really, really well. But, you know, we don't need to get into it because he, right now, as we're speaking right now, we don't even know he's going to play. Right. It's a fascinating intellectual conversation. It is. Well, no right.

With no right or wrong answer, depending on who you talk to. I mean, it's very topical, though, because, you know, they all. obviously made that decision five weeks ago to play this way, and he is hurt right now. So, you know, to the Tom Brady is old enough to be his dad. And Tom Brady's starting this week. You know what I mean? Right. No, but John, that's for what we do on this,

the show here and for fantasy. Oh, right, right. That's, I was talking to a coach that Greg and I know. And he mentioned, he goes, see what happens when you run, you run these guys so much. Eventually they're going to be hurt. Yeah, like, you know, Cam Newton probably, you know, could have.

Oh, well, that one was how many times a guy. Jaws have that number of how many times he got thrown to the ground over like a series of years. It was crazy. Right, right, right. You're asking for trouble. I love it in the fantasy world. I just throw out the NFL analysis while he's running, you know, 14 times again. But eventually, eventually guys like Garno Mooney won't want to play there if they don't start.

You look at Diggs. Look at Diggs last week. He wasn't in football. He's playing with the best quarterback in football. So, and Mooney's a great kid. But it's going to affect his numbers in terms of our contract. So eventually they're going to have to both. We are going to Mike White here for the Jets.

I mean, the first thing I thought of, he was like Captain Checkdown. So maybe we can get some checkdowns to the runbacks. But, you know, Adam, I'll go to you. Like, you know, never say never. And it seems absurd to say that this is it for Zach Wilson. It's not. It feels like this is it for Zach Wilson. No, he'll look.

Mike White, you saw the best of him and the worst of him last year. He definitely has an arm. He's an aggressive thrower. but there's a saying in the National Football League and it seems to never change. Backus become backups so longer you play them. So two, three, four weeks. We saw the Flip Hanuky last year.

It became like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. But Greg, could Mike White be, or was Zach Wilson so bad that even a below replacement level player like maybe Mike can still be an improvement because he was that bad? John, they're at the point,

and I'm not being sarcastic or joking, they're at the point, off their second half last week where they are interested in getting a first down. Yeah. And they don't have an offense. Right. They do not have an offense. And they've got a good football team.

So, you know, they gained, I believe, two yards of offense in the second half last week. Yes, that's correct. They are interested. And like I said, I'm not being sarcastic. No. They're interested in getting a first down. Yeah. Good point.

They had a bunch of. Yeah, they had to. Yeah, they had to. It is good news. They don't have John. They don't agree Saul, which is killer. Yeah. But they've got a good football team.

Yeah. They've got a playoff caliber defense without question and some some young quality skill players. I mean, we know about Garrett Wilson. Denzel Mims has actually shown something over the last month or so to the point where you think he's got a chance to be a player in this league. Maybe not a star, but a player. So, you know, Tyler Conklin is a good player.

They still have a zoom. I mean, they've got players. They need a quarterback that can just deliver the football. Yeah, I'm a little surprised they didn't go to Flacco. Remember, they went to White. They moved him over Flacco like four weeks ago, which was surprising. Yeah, I was surprised too, John, but I don't know the reason for that. Yeah, a younger guy, locker room guy.

It seemed like everyone loved Mike White last year. And then Adam, we're going to get Corey Davis back, right? It's looking better. Yeah, it's looking better. He's working his way back finally. Because if you put Wilson Davis, Elijah Moore we love, obviously. Not that Mims will play a lot if everybody's back,

but at least Mims show that you play a little bit. With Conkin and Yuzama, this is a pretty good group. Oh, by the way, George Fans started working back this week. He might be ready to play right tackle this week. That would really help. Yeah, Mike,

why can sit back there and distribute a little bit for a couple weeks? We'll see what happens. Bengals. Honestly, John, fantasy. I try to get Elijah Moore in like a lot of leagues this week because as soon as soon as Sal a Monday left it open, I'm like, well, we know where this is going.

So, but unfortunately, nobody cut more. So still kept. Well, I like the angle for the running back. So maybe I'm just thinking a little bit too much toward last year. But if you recall last year, I believe Carter had a couple like massive games catching the rock here. Oh, from my check to the down? Oh, God. Yeah.

Okay. Great. Flacco was doing it too. Let's see here. Yeah, Flacket was absolutely. Oh, here you go. Michael Carter in the first game that White Mike started had 18 targets. Really?

Did it? No, the 14. 14, my bad. Okay. And he had nine catches for 95. Good. Okay. So he's captain checked out.

So I would trade for Michael Carter right now because he's been kind of under you. He's done. Well, they're all dying. with the offense dying. Bengals and the Titans and the Bengals aren't dying, but they're dying to get Jamar Chase back at him. Looking good. Is it? For this week? Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is their, this is why they didn't put him on IR, so they purposely didn't have

give a ton of rest of it. He's going to play this week, John. No, he might not play 50 snaps, but he didn't play. Today was the first day back from the injury. You know, he actually had it. Remember he against Atlanta is when he left. The game did return. He actually was on the injury report with it.

People forget coming into the game, and he just, he damaged it. But the rehab went well. Today was the first day to see how he, as long as he responds well through today's practice and Thursday's practice without the setback, he's going to play. You know, T. Higgins, Greg, really, really good receiver. But, man, there's just something missing without Jermar Chase. Like, I mean, dare I say, they're kind of pedestrian. What's that?

Trent Irwin. You see that last week? They're really strong. I think pedestrian is too strong, John, given what Burrow just did last week against the Steelers. It's amazing. They played a ton of man and blitzed an awful lot. Yeah, that's true.

So pedestrian's a little too strong. But when you're missing a great player, obviously you'd rather have the great player as well. No, I think you've met the receiver core, though. Yeah, I mean, the receiving core it's a little pedestrian, you know, Haydenhurst, Boyd and Higgins basically. I don't have anybody else. Higgins is on the three guys.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think as a group, they're somewhat pedestrian, even though Boyd has been really good this year. It just seems like lately is not doing a lot the last couple of weeks. Injury-wise here for the Titans, Adam, what do we got going here? Because they're a match. About Mitzin. Yeah, the only one

that they're hard. Well, then I would say this, John, if you think that group is pedestrian, then you must think the Cowboys receiving course stinks. Yeah, I do. Okay. Yeah. I'm not going to lamb. I mean, because Dalton Schultz is a checkdown, Charlie. No, I'm just saying because, you know, because Higgins is a one on most teams in the league. Yeah. And Boyd is one of the better slot receivers in the game.

Yeah. And Hurst is not a volume target because normally when Chase is there, they don't throw it to the tight end. but Hearst is not a stiff. So it's not, you know, I mean, maybe you're talking pedestrian from a fantasy perspective, but they're not pedestrian from a talent perspective. No, I just, yeah, I mean, look, I just think the expectations are, you know, were just so high for me. And, you know, it shows without chase.

I mean, it shows. I mean, Higgins is going to get a thousand yards again this year. Oh, no, he's good. No, absolutely. But by way. Oh, DJ Reader, John might be, probably is going to be back to school. I thought he was back last week. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he actually got furt in this game this past game. Oh, okay. But I watched the tape, so I know he played last week. Yeah, yeah. But quickly, you know, C.D. Lamb, like you said, he's a sexy, glorified slot receiver. Higgins is, to me, Higgins is better than Lamb. Yeah. And so they do stink.

They play in a different, yeah, they don't even play the same position. They play a different game, but I mean, you know, anyway, irrelevant. What about the other injuries here? for the tightness quickly here. Oh, yeah. What's the name? Fulton. Altry's out.

Deneikw is not going to play. Fulton will see what they're here. Fulton is the big injury here because of who they're playing. Yeah, they don't know yet. Yeah, they don't know yet. Right, right. Molden? Is he on the end?

He's back. He was a full participant today. So what's likely to happen is you're going to see Molden play the slot because the Bengals play out of 11 personnel, a very high percentage of their offensive snaps. So you'll see Mollon. molded in the slot, McCrary, and probably Mitchell on the outside. Yeah, what do you think of those guys there?

What do you think of that matchup here? If we do have Chase, I mean, that does seem to be a big-time advantage of Cincinnati. I would think so. Yeah, okay. So the issue's up front. The issue's up front, you know, protection. Right. How's that tighten front?

We know they're great against the run here, but do you see them being a big problem for Burrow? Well, it's not Borough per se. It's the offensive line. Right, right. I mean, getting after the passer. Yeah, they'll get after them. They're very physical. They're competitive.

Simmons is a man. They've gotten really good play from Mario Edwards. If people are not watching TV, and I just think of Edwards is always a journeyman, who's been with 100 teams, but he's been really, really good for that. That's story. We're buying into this resurgence of the passing game in Tennessee.

It's one game. I mean, it was really good. Two games. It was, you know, Tannenhow was pretty good the game before, though. I mean, you know, compared to doing absolutely nothing. Well, Malik Willis had played for the two games prior to that. Well, week 10, he threw for 255 and two touchdowns, and then week 11, he threw for 335 and two touchdowns.

Yeah, and I love the last play of the game, and I'm not sure why they did this. They were up by 10. When they threw it to birth? That was insane. I wonder, I wonder if there's something going on with Matt LaFour and the Titans, because that was bizarre to me that you would do that. but but i mean

burks is you know good become a factor now a little bit oh i mean how much of a game changer is that burks you know for the whole offense they want someone who could run he's the only guy they have yeah yeah it just seemed like you had burks going all of a sudden

arbor woods look pretty decent yeah he looked good hilliard's an important part of their past game too yeah yeah so you think they might have uh you know a little bit a little bit of juice here well let's put it this way john they know that they need that. They know that they need that.

Yeah. You're not winning at this point with like that one to make. Maybe two years ago or even last year, but I don't know about this year. Falcon's commanders. And I kind of like Logan Thomas as a pickup for those who lost.

He looked great last week. Unfortunately, John, he, I don't know when. He wasn't listed after the game, but he was a riveter. He did work today. I'm hoping he didn't get hurt in practice today. But even around Rivera said he looked. He said that what's the best he's looked all season.

Oh, hell, yeah. Yeah, he was a limited. I saw it, too. I watched that game. Yeah, yeah. Well, we know what's coming. They're going to run the ball with Gibson. I mean, they've got the horses.

Like, Ron Rivera. If you could run it 40 times with these guys, I feel like you would, right? You know what, John. It's so obvious what's going on here. They're not going to let Hanuky. With that defense, they're not going to like Hanuky grow much. Let's stir behind. They're not going on.

Greg, Mike, get a little Chase Young back here. All of a sudden this man. Their defense of line has been great the last number of weeks. I mean, this is what people expected after, what, two years ago was it? Yes. When everybody just assumed that their defense was going to be a dominating force. Oh, does this? Juice got hurt in the last game.

He worked. This one kind of strikes me as one where Marioata could get pretty bad here. I mean, you know, is there anything about Marioota to where, Greg, you're like, man to man, maybe he's okay, you know, because it's the fine form or, you know, Is there any trend with this guy that you've seen over the years? I mean, I don't know. John,

I haven't seen their offense the last couple of weeks because it's a hard watch. Yeah, it is a hard watch. I did watch, John, I did watch a lot of them and they're going out of their way. And I, and I, look,

I totally get it. I get it. You've got a quarterback who you don't want to throw the ball off, but they're playing to their defense in the running game. Well, the running game's great, but yeah, for sure.

It's kind of what you would think. But apparently Desmond Ritter, Adam is not ready. I think that's fair. I guess Arthur Smith has been so defiant with Mariotta. And you know, here's the thing. They're still very much in the wildfire fund in the NFC. They're not going to win it. It's crazy.

It's absolutely absurd. Chargers Cardinals. It looks like Kylo Murray is returning here. He says he's ready to go and they only had to walk through today, but I would expect that. And how about Hollywood? He could get activated. He's closer. He's closer.

Oh, all the way. Oh, by the way. So Mike Williams, what they're going to do, he didn't work today. They're going to give him a chance to play. They think they, he tweaked the high, you know, that right ankle with the height frame. He tweaked it. That's why he went up, he had a setback, small setback. Right.

I would, for Josh Palmer people, I would play Palmer only because there's no way Mike Williams is making for a full game with that high angle. He re-injured. Right, right. No question about that. Otherwise, we're here we got Rondell Moore. Right now Moore hurt himself in the last game. Royne, yes.

Yeah, yeah. He's got a practice. It was a groin. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. First play the game. Now, Kingsborough said that's all it is. It's just a groin injury.

There's nothing like, you know, bad tear or anything. But it's a groin injury. He's a receiver, John. Not good. And Byron Murphy, too, by the way. Who the back, yeah. Murphy. So that's a big one there.

Well, it'll be interesting, Greg, to see this Cardinals offense. I know they lost Zach Ertz, but maybe Traynard can replicate that with, well, I guess we won't see it with Rondale. But I'm curious, like, what does it look like with Rondell, Hollywood, and D.Hop? I feel like Hollywood would be like your shot play guy. Like, he's going to be a big play threat. That's why they made the trade, right? Is he definite playing this week? No, he's, it's going to be close.

Yeah. Should be close. I mean, Greg, what do you think about, you know, changing up his role? Because he's been more of that volume possession guy, but obviously that's D-Hop here. I mean, some big plays forthcoming here. A lot of air yard plays, I would think. Well, you would, you know, I, I can't figure out Kyler Murray. He's a week-to-week guy.

I don't know what you're going to get from him on a week-to-week basis. Though, then again, how many? He's a very random player. Right, right. How many of these big, you know, air yard plays are we seeing this year anyway, not many? Right. That's for sure. Although Justin Herbert kind of aired it out a little bit.

How about that last week? Well, John played for Palmer. Loved it. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, Adam, I think, you know, just, I know you said this last week of the week before. I actually think Josh Palmer has a chance to be very good. I just think that, you know, obviously when everybody's healthy, he's not going to be the

highly targeted guy. And I'm not suggesting he's going to be a top two receiver in the league. But with his size, his speed, and his competitiveness, I think he has a chance to be a good player. It becomes what situation he's in. You know, he's not in a situation for that to happen right now. But I think he's a pretty talented kid. I think, to me, we've always been big fans. John, I think to me, let's say Keenan El retires two years from now.

And Mike Williams is still their X. I mean, he could be a good Z. You can move him around. Yeah, I think he's a good player. Well, you mentioned that word competitiveness. Boy, he was bringing it last week, Greg. It sounds like you watched that tape. Yeah, no, I like, I like Josh Palmer.

I mean, I liked him coming out. I had a good talk with Telesco about him. I mean, I like Josh Palmer. Working a little Isaiah Spiller, who doesn't look all that great, but he's not bad either, I guess. No, but he's kind of what he is. I mean, he's an inside grinder. Yep.

Oh, Josh Kelly started working back today. Just, you know. James Connor, you know, You got to give them the ball here against these chargers. I mean, they have not stopped the run all year. So a great matchup for James Connor. And we'll move on to the Raiders and Seahawks as Derek Carr, as soon as I wrote him off two weeks ago, now he's had two good games.

Maybe he's back. Who knows? But, you know, Greg, this is not a good matchup here overall, not an easy matchup. You know, I don't know how much of the Raiders you've seen, but, you know, it sure seems to me like, slow down Devante Adams. and you're probably good against the Raiders. Yeah, Carr's another guy that I just don't know what to make of him on a week-to-week basis, to be honest with you.

Yeah, yeah. A lot of Josh Jacobs, for sure. The Seattle D, though, is coming on strong here. Any thoughts on Gino Smith this week, Adam? I think he's as steady as they come here, quarterback this year, honestly. He's my most improved player other than Hurdison League. I never saw this government. Nobody did.

It's crazy. I don't think they did either. You could honestly, Greg, honestly, say that Gino Smith has been the steadiest quarterback in the NFL this year. Consistent.

He kind of does the same thing almost every week. He's so decisive. He doesn't hesitate anymore. Yeah. I think I'm going with that. Maybe Burrough. I mean, Mahomes has been great,

but it's hard. to say, I mean, steadily. You don't really want to start comparing him to Mahomes, but of a guy who's considered a lower level guy, you want to say that he's been very stay week to week. John, he's been better than Kirk Cousins. He's had a nice year. He's better than Cousins. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Definitely better in Brady and Rodgers, that is for sure. In terms of performance, sure. Yeah. Any injuries have known here? Gehawks, they haven't, they have, they just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not all there. Right.

Well, again, pretty, pretty good matchup here for, like, Fant, if you needed a tie-down. I know our guy, Wes Huber, actually, likes Will Disley as well here. And then a lot of Josh Jacobs, and that's about it. I don't want to advocate anyone other than Devante Adams. Rams and Chiefs here, Adam, what the hell? Can the Rams call up to season? Can we seriously cancel? Do you know that they're down on their fifth string?

left tackle. The immortal tied in a secchi. I mean, God, does this stop? This could devolve into maybe the one of the ugliest things ever. I mean, I had a coach, I'm pretty friendly with, and knows McVeigh says, Sean should have retired when he had a chance. I was laughing. Come on. I just want to serve a board. Yeah, but that's

the point. I was like, yeah, but you can't predict injuries? This is crazy. No, and McVease under 40. He's a football coach. Yeah, but he got burned out. He just had to burn out. They're going to need a quarterback. I mean, there's another team is going to need a quarterback. What about John, they ran out of offensive lineman, John.

They're down like eight guys for the season to conclude Andrew Whitworth. Yeah. He can't survive like that. Oh, Bryce Perkins is almost certainly, right now he looks like the starter. Oh, boy. And I've watched him up close. Oh, he's a tough watch for football. I mean, I did a projection.

I have him completing 11 balls. I feel like that's... Don't run. I have him running eight times for 45 yards. And he's... Maybe don't run the wishbone this week. right i mean yeah i mean it's a one read guy right craig i mean that's it yeah yeah oh boy where's jarvis red wine anyway yeah well adam do you have any interest in kairn williams for those

desperate i mean oh absolutely john they're okay so they cut darrell henderson's now with the jaguar by the way get clean off waivers today um they're going to get a look at karen once and cam acres how about him leading them in that's why i asked the question because cam acres got like 18 well it's just those two guys Yeah, Ronnie Rivers Jr. They benched him. He's still, he's now in the practice. We're not going to evaluate Ronnie Rivers? No, they already did.

So that's why they're going back to Carrion Williams down. That's it. They'll share the backfield. Three, free at, well, got his touchdown. Yep. Jacob Harris, by the way. Jacob Harris is going to stuff. Oh, oh, is he tight end?

Well, they moved to receiver. And my guy, Lance McCutcheon, who... He's a combo platter. He's a big kid who can run. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. out of Stanford, right? Yeah.

Yeah. For the ACL a year ago, unfortunately. But Lance McCutcheon, they really don't want to play him because he's a project. But the kid, he's Christian Watson, John, Lance McCutcher number 8, too. Yep. Oh, he was phenomenal in training. You were bringing him up a lot. What's the latest on these KC injuries here, Juju, MVS, and Meekyll.

You saw C.EH. He's on IR with his high-infant's brain. Yeah. Pacheco's the guy who had his first 100-yard game, best week. Tony, I'd be surprised if Tony play this week. Joe Tuny's got an ankle injury. He didn't work today. What's his injury, Tony?

Joe Tony's... Oh, hamstring. Yeah, he pulled a hand. Ankle injury for Tony, Tony, the hamstring problem. The hamstring. Well, you know, Chris Collinsworth's talking about our guy, Scott Moore, really, really truly seemed to pigeonhole him as a slot receiver. And, you know, maybe that's what he is.

I kind of feel like he's... They don't see him that way. I can tell you that. Okay. No. See, I don't feel that. way. He had six targets with five catches. This was the first game he was really

a factor. John, he, look, let's call it like it as he's been struggling. Even Erk the enemy, their OC, admitted that on the record with the media there. But he loved the way he could be it. He's a pretty strong, strong mind of kid. Like he'd handle the adversity pretty well. Yeah. And that's why

he was part of why he was a second round pick is because he's a really high character kid. I'll tell you look good. Next year. Great performance. They got a lot of receivers are going to be up after the season. And he could be one of the less men, Stan. Oh, yeah, he will be. It was a great performance. He had several third down conversions,

a couple great catches, sideline awareness. But what do you think about these other veterans here this week? I mean, Judge Watson plays ahead of more at this point. Yeah, and he could run, John. He had to come out of Penn. He's tall. He could run a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

But right now, so Juju will, Juju has started working. He's still in protocol, though they still has to get cleared. Tony probably won't play. and Vs will play Hardman's on IR and Joseph Watson. So Moore will be in the rotation. He'll be higher up in the rotation than he was earlier to see.

Would not be surprised at all if Scott Moore is like a hero in the playoffs and it makes a lot of place. I'm not, I'm not. You can get everybody back. He might go back and not playing that much. Yeah, that's my. Yeah, Joe. I don't. Well, is it possible that Sky Moore is better than Juju?

No. But here's not this year. See, John, he was drafted for the future. Right. And he has this love affair with Dujo. That's 100, he tried to get him signed two years ago. He's a pretty good receiver, John. He had a good year, by the way.

Yeah. He's a lot. He's not the same guy. I tax him for that. I don't think he's the same guy that he was three years ago. But anyway, with C.E.H. out with Checo one, McKinnon, 2, and Ronald Jones will be active. Wow.

Wow. Yeah, I'm not a Pacheco guy, but, you know, proves me wrong here. Runs hard as hell. I know. A little velocity, too, though. I know. It's not a great experience watching them for me. He'll never catch the ball up. You never catch this.

It's kind of funny. Saints Niners. What's the latest with the Saints man? And they were a mass unit last week. Yeah, they're going to get people back this week. Yeah, I'm just going to say, they think they're going to get some of these guys back. Are they good people, though?

They got people. They're really bad people, but they got people. Are they good? Bradley Roby started working back this week. He's on Injure Reserve. So. A lot more going to play football again? Yeah.

Why didn't they put him on IR? Obviously, they thought he could come back earlier. They'll see, I don't, I still have my doubts that he'll play this week. And the Niners came, by the way, the Niners came out of the game very healthy. They're, like, really healthy football team right now. Well, the Saints didn't have both their starting D ends last week. I know. What's his name is I?

Yeah. is Cam Jordan's eye. Yeah, they got to get, they got to see if you can get cleared. So, yeah, we don't know about that. Lattimore did start working a little bit today. But man, Greg, how nasty are these Niners right now? And by the way, they're not,

they're still missing Armstead and Kinlo. So it's not like they have everybody. No, but that's like the only guys on the 53 that are, Kinlo, I don't know what he's going. Armstead hasn't played in six weeks. But no one has been, they got all those players back. The guys have been out for several weeks, other than the two guys that Greg mentioned, they all came back last couple weeks.

So they're in fairly good help. Well, I think a big guy that they got back was Trent Williams, Greg. I mean, it feels like we're starting to like, this is almost maybe unprecedented with Carl Shanahan and the toys now that he has to work with here, right? I mean. Which is why it's going to be hard from a fantasy perspective because you go look at last Monday night and McCaffrey, I think, has seven rushes. Yeah, we've been on there.

here. We did get yeah, so we still didn't have that game where McCaffrey goes off and more than one receiver goes off, but not the greatest matchup for Kittal, probably a better matchup on the outside for Ayuk and Debo. St. D., again, they've really fallen off.

So many guys started. Yeah. Oh, so Davenport started working. Pete Werner has not practiced in nearly three weeks. He didn't work today. Mark Gehringham, by the way, started working today for those of those of you have won your roster. Okay, yeah. Damn Jordan started working today too.

So it looks like they have got a chance to get a lot of guys. They signed David Johnson. He actually got to catch us. I saw that. Yeah. But Greg, it sure feels like these not, not, this St.D has not been great. And they're banged up, all kinds of banged up. But it sure feels like San Frank come out here and, you know, kind of imposes their will, right?

Almost against most teams, like Jimmy's playing really well. It's starting to look like a well-oiled machine here. For the most part I mean yeah They certainly were last week And they're kind of You know Death by a thousand cuts

You know They're not necessarily a big play offense You know But over time It just they just keep making plays Yeah I mean I don't have it in front I bet you they're

Average you are You know production per play Is way up there In the NFL In this three game winning streak Has been phenomenal Two on third down Is that?

Garapola Oh Jimmy yes Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he seems to be very comfortable right now. And how about Andy Dalt last week? Well, I'm ignoring that. I mean, that was one of the better games of his career, I think, last week, shockingly.

But much different assignment. Well, you know what about John? Because he didn't have, he didn't have high volume of past numbers. You know, the Cardinal game where he put up, I don't know how many, it was over 40 attempts. That's when he's, you're worried about him making bad. Yeah, 21 to 25. Yeah, that because he, that's, well, that's ideal.

And I know they're normally he's going to have to be in the 30s because they're not a good football team. That was interesting usage, though, of Tassum in the backfield with Camara. That was very interesting. Tase him had nine carries last week. Yeah, I had another thought about Camara. You know, like, I think we just got spoiled with him

in the passing attack with Breeze. Like, how much of Breeze is greatness? Yes. Responsible for Camara catching 88 balls every year. Yeah, you're right. And by the way, without Sean, no, no criticism with Pete Carmichael, but look, Trump Payton's one of the best play college in NFL history and scheme designers.

Yeah. Big. Yeah. So if you're catching 88 with Drew Brees, you're catching like 64 with Andy Dalton, basically, is what it comes to that. That's what I learned this year for sure. Alave is still a stud, but tough matchup here against those Niners. Green Bay at Philly, a little bit of scare last week for the birds. Greg, how much did they lose, you know, their mojo without having Dallas Goddard out there last week?

Well, I think that's going to be a work in progress. I mean, you know, obviously you lose a really good player. You're not going to be the same. And over time, because he has at least three more weeks and it might be more than that. Adam might know that. But, you know, so they'll figure that out. I mean, obviously the player playing is not going to be as good as Goddard, but I think they'll figure that out over time.

Oh, gosh, excuse me. Yeah, I mean, John, you got, boy, you have a trip with the fan already. No, what it is. No, I'm on like four hours of sleep or three, sorry. That'll do it too, but they got the tape now. They see how teams are playing them. This grand calcutera, I know he didn't do anything last week. He's really athletic, and they say.

Yeah, he's an interesting guy. I know. He's got good hands. He's just not physical, but you know what, scheme him open. Get him down to feel a little bit. He can run. He's a vertical guy for a tight end. and I like to see John, they don't get the backs of all at all in the past game.

It's here. You know, he drops passes. He did not have a good training camp. And this staff jumped on the table to get this guy drafted. And I'm sure they're not happy that he hasn't been in fact that they thought. It's pretty weird. You look at the running backs last year and compared to this year, like last year, two to three guys like every week.

This year, it's just one. And even that guy doesn't do all that well. Sometimes Miles Sanders. Greg, do you think there any thoughts on the matchup here for like AJ Brown? Devonte Smith. Do they travel Jaya Alexander's? Jari Alexander, not Jari Alexander this year? Up and down.

Sometimes they travel, but he's been up and down. And they're still playing Savage unless they change it with the extra time because they played on a Thursday night so they could make an adjustment with extra time. But Savage has been the slot corner of the last two games. So, you know, we'll see. I mean, AJ Brown's A.J. Brown, right? I mean, you know, we're just every week just show up. to work and you catch six balls for 80, it seems like.

No, he's obviously a really good player. It looks easy, doesn't it, Adam? It does, but they could actually get him the ballmore. You know, his ball security, he did a bad fumble. I don't know. That was a bad fumble. He didn't see the kid from Syracuse, the linebacker. He just didn't see him there.

That was bad. Greg, I wonder, have you noticed Rudy Ford? I'm shocked that, I mean, I know they lost. But Rudy Ford now is he plays in their, nickel. He's the safety with Amos because Savage goes into the slide. He's been okay. Okay. Can we feel better about like Devonthe Smith getting more consistent targets without Goddard? I know it's one game, but any thoughts on that? Because that's been a nightmare, Greg. Without God or, you know, is it going to be a wide receiver-centric offense basically when they do throw? Maybe. But, you know,

the Eagles to me are a little odd. And Adam, you know, we'll probably discuss this this weekend. But, you know, I'm not sure on a weekly basis how much they're going to throw the ball. Oh, last five games, John, he is not, Kurtz has not thrown the ball more like 27 times. Yeah, so, I mean, they're not really, you know, they had a stretch early in the season where they came out throwing where two or three games in a row he threw more than 20 balls in the first half alone, but they've not really thrown the ball a lot in recent week.

So the receiver thing is hard to figure. Does that tell you anything at all? Because all summer we heard from you guys that they want to be a pass. Well, they were, but here's the thing. Like last week would be a good example. The defense was fantastic. Defense better this year than next. Yeah.

But John, you raise a good point. You know, I'd be curious as to, you know, we're not in the building. You know, I'd be really curious what the thoughts are because, you know, no team wants to play close games, you know, and grind it out, you know. I mean, their defense is real. No one talks about the Eagles defense because the conversation is still about Jalen hurts. their defense is really good.

I fear that we might get into the playoffs with Hurts and the Eagles with a really, really good record and go up against... Oh, so wrestling guys? No, but go up against a good playoff defense or two, and, you know, Jalen and Hertz has a tough go like last year. Well, as long as Scott, it's there, I'm not worried about it. Yeah. Because they didn't have A.J. Brown, obviously, when they played Tampa, when they were terrible.

They, if in their heart, they liked to throw the ball more. for them 30s. That's the way I understand it. They just haven't had to. And look, the Goddard injury is massive. I mean, we could say whatever he won about. Yeah. It didn't happen last week.

He just changes the way defenses have to play. No question. Unbelievable. It's a big deal. And Hertz is going to start holding the ball a little bit. That's a little bit of an issue without Goddard. Because, you know, last year, John, their chemistry wasn't always great. But this year, oh, man.

Yeah. Oh, it's like easy. I mean, it might be easier. It looks like that's like the easiest completion in the league this year, the Dallas got it. It's like wide open all the time. All the time. All the time. Wide open.

And then Adam, you had mentioned that maybe Daris Slay hasn't been all that sharp. Greg, do you see that? Is it still like truly scary back here? You know, or are they leveling off a little bit in the secondary in Philly? No, I think they're really good on the back end. Okay. Yeah, they're really good on defense. It's, you know, it's not talked about much.

They're defensive numbers, John. Over like the last eight or nine games, like I said, no one talks about it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, we do in the fantasy world. Trust me. We know we're avoiding the outside guys for sure when we're up against the... The Washington game, they gave up some plays. But it wasn't like Heineke went off.

It just they gave them some plays. And that might be just Heineke being an eagle killer or knowing them a little bit and all that. Not Heineke. McLaren. McLaren. Yeah, he had great game. Oh, yeah. They, they, he's just, I don't want to say he owns the Eagles.

He's just had some big games against it. But I will say this is a big test for Christian Watson. I would not use Christian Watson. Adam, do you agree? Unless, you know, if you need them, you need them. Yeah, I mean, Slay's sets of games against Metcalf, or of course, Watson is not strong as Metcalf. He's had some games over there against bigger receivers,

but I'm kind of with you, John. I'm so interested to see how they do against Rogers, this group. I mean, they goose egg George Pickens for what it's like. Yeah, well, but that, they did, but that also has to do with play call it. And the quarterback, too. Yeah, true, true, true. Well, Eagle Rundee, Greg, how much did they improve with Lindval, Joseph, and Domen Sue last week?

Well, Joseph played 26 snaps. He's better than Jordan Davis. And he, because he's just better on every snap than Jordan Davis. And Sue played 17 snaps. and their run defense after the first drive was outstanding. And Joseph was a big part of that. So pretty much a pretty nasty matchup for Aaron Rogers and the Packers here in Philly. Could be.

I mean, look, Rogers theoretically is still Rogers, but the best version of this team now is when they run the ball. You know, they're not really a passing team in a strict sense. Yep. And you're buying Randall Cobb, Mr. C. Might be the guy this week, though. Oh, man. I listened to it.

Oh, yeah. Back. I listened to the Pat McAfee podcast. I know Rogers and Cobb are very close, but just the way he explained how important he is to what they do. Yeah, sure. He's just been heard a lot. I mean, you know, you want to trust him earlier.

Then he's out. Then he goes on IR. So look. Yeah, certainly better matchup for him against Josiah Scott. Yeah. Josiah Scott is not created upgrade. So, yeah. And then, you know, Mollinger.

Sanders, you know, Green Bay can be run on, all that. So let's move on here. Look at the time. We're making 7.13. Yeah, hour in 13 minutes, right on track. The Steelers and the Colts. I continue to be impressed by Kenny Pickett. But, Adam, you mentioned everything is just so compressed.

I can't. I hate watching. Boring. You know, Matt, Matt Canada, seems like a nice guy. We know that offense is going to have to change next year because Pickens, Greg nailed it. an absolute stud. Deontay Johnson, the guy signed, think about this, John. He signs a contract extension. I know touchdowns aren't everything.

He hasn't even close to scoring this season. This is painful. I mean, and Frymuth is a stud. He's a stud, though. And you can't blame the offensive line. That is not the problem. Well, I don't think they're that great Greg and pass pro. They're not terrible, John. No? No. Do you see Kenny Pickett holding on the ball, though? Seems like he's

not doing that either. But it's a scheme, John. Kenny Pickett checks most boxes when you evaluate his tape. Processes. Wow. He's, I spoke to someone today who basically said stylistically, which is true, by the way. People now, when I say this, but it was a former coach who I spoke to today who said that Kenny Pickett stylistically is like Joe Burrell. Yeah.

You know, which he kind of is. He is. He kind of is. So, yeah, there's nothing wrong with Kenny Pickett. He's going to be a good place. player. Oh, no, hey, we all loved them. I fucking love them. Next year, John, will be his breakout season because they'll have a new scheme. Yeah, but you're still looking for some opportunities here down the stretch in his last. It's, no, John, you're missing

the point. There are a ton of opportunities. It's the structure of the offense. It's asking these guys to win. I don't understand what we're watching. There's too many individual isolation routes. Yeah, it's that bad, huh? Jesus, God. It's like, holy crap. All right, well, now she's looking better. He definitely. He looks better. I mean... Not explosive at all, but yes, he looked better. I mean, explosive compared to Dajian October.

Yeah, yeah. And I got to tell you, Greg talked about this, but watching it last week, not Ron should retire. It's really hard to watch him. It's, like, really hard. You thought it was hard to watch Ben Rosberg at the end. Ryan and John is not far behind. He is...

Oof. Yeah, that bad. I mean, Greg... In one year, is he this bad last year? Well, Greg, you've been saying this. the balls have been dying, you know, the down-threat throws for about four years now, right? But this is. Yeah, it's tough now.

You know, it is what it is. I mean, the guy's a notch below a Hall of Famer, but it is what it is. Hey, John, do you think they literally took the air out of the Wilson ball? Do you think that's what happened? Well, Johnny Taylor looking good. Yeah, he's healthy. He'll shut him down after the first series. Right.

He had 11 for 20 in the second half. I know. That's true. But he's healthy, John. That's true. It's true. He looks healthy, yeah. Well, there you go.

That is a wrap. Look at that. Hour in 15, 16 minutes. We'll get out a little early here. I don't think we skipped anything. I'll still be doing the Hanson's Hints and Sins for Sunday. I went out, got my props article up. 14 and 1 last week on props, baby.

Amazing. 14 and 1. That's gambling. It's not even gambling when you're 14 and 1. It's like stealing. So hopefully we can stay hot there. And wrapping up here, we thank Ben Cucanis. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

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