Fantasy Football Daily - 2022 Week 4 Matchup Podcast

Episode Date: September 29, 2022

John Hansen (@Fantasy_Guru) and Greg Cosell (@gregcosell) preview Week 4 NFL action. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more abo...ut your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:07 It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top-level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Here we go. Another edition of the Matchup podcast here at FantasyPoint.com. I'm John Hanson. We could call this Hansen's hints, but let's be honest, The hint is listen to Greg CoSell because he's grinding tape, and that's what this podcast is all about.
Starting point is 00:00:47 It's just a little bit of a taste of what Greg brings to the table here. We've got everything covered here, analytics, data, and film review, courtesy of Greg. If you're not a subscriber to FantasyPoint.com, we'll mention this quickly here at the top. I believe, yes, we just reduced the prices. So obviously the season's underway. go over to fantasy points.com, use the promo code. Hansen 10 for, oh, wait a second. No, Hanson 22 for 10% off.
Starting point is 00:01:18 See, I screwed that up. Very little sleep. I'm going on fumes today, Greg. I know you've been grinding hard. Let me ask you this, and this is probably a tough question, but you've probably been through, what, 12 full days of tape study, maybe more thus far. Have you noticed any trend at all that, that's,
Starting point is 00:01:39 stands out. I'm thinking maybe, you know, those two high safeties, that seems to be a big one. But how are you? I'm good. I'm good. I would say that's a trend. I would say five-man defensive fronts are a big trend in the league now. Sometimes it's with 5D linemen. Sometimes it could be with 4D linemen and a linebacker, but five-man defensive line fronts are absolutely something that is really permeating throughout the league. Another thing from a defensive line standpoint is what we call loaded fronts, particularly on third down, where there's three defensive linemen to one side of the offensive center.
Starting point is 00:02:21 So, yeah, there's things like that that I notice pretty much everybody doing when I watch tape. When you just, you know, whittle it down to the basics here, when you're up again, when you're seeing, you're an offense and you're seeing more of those two high safeties, How are you beating that? What type of player is going to be utilized here? I would think, you know, an inside guy, a tight end, a slot receiver. Think of it this way.
Starting point is 00:02:48 When you play with two high safeties, what you're not giving up, which you theoretically do give up when you play single high, is you're not giving up the seams, okay? Because when you have one high safety, you can get to the scenes. Because you can have, you can control the one high safety, the quarterback can manipulate him, because he can't play both seams. Sure.
Starting point is 00:03:11 You know, just you can't. So when you play with two high safeties, you pretty much take away seam throws. In fact, I had an old-time defensive coordinator who years ago used to come and watch tape with me every Monday. He since passed away.
Starting point is 00:03:24 His name is Rod Rust. Oh, yeah. He moved when he finished coaching to South Jersey, and he called me up and said, can I come watch tape with you every Monday? You know, these guys, they just, they live it no matter what. I remember that. It was like 10 years ago.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Yeah. Yeah. And the first thing, one of the first things he said to me because he was a defensive guy. He actually coached in college, Mean Joe Green, back at North Texas State. Wow. And then he was in the NFL for years. In fact, Rod Woodson, even though Rod Rust only was the Steelers' decoordinator for one year, Rod Woodson in his Hall of Fame speech made it a point to point out Rod Rust and how much football he taught him just in one year. Wow.
Starting point is 00:04:04 So anyway, one of the first. first things he told me was, if you want to see how a defense is going to react, attack the seams. So, you know, when you play with split safety, the seams are not really available. Now, theoretically, in cover two, the middle seam is theoretically available. You know, it depends how you want to get to it. Right, right. But if you're playing more of a quarters-type look, the seams not really available, the scenes. Now, more teams are doing that because, John, the reality of the NFL now, and I wonder if it's a little bit of a philosophy change,
Starting point is 00:04:45 is teams are starting to take the approach that we don't want to build our defense to stop the run. We really want to build our defense to stop the pass, to stop the explosive pass place. Right. And that's where I was going. What's that? That's where the points are scored. Well, points come out of the passing game. That's number one lesson from our guy Jaws.
Starting point is 00:05:08 But also aren't they daring teams to run the ball now? And that's kind of what we're looking at. Maybe some teams will counteract this coverage shell. But okay, well, you want to have a fewer men in the box? We'll run it. Right. And I don't want to say they're inviting the run, you know, in that sense, because obviously teams don't want to give up, you know, long runs either.
Starting point is 00:05:31 But, you know, I think the feeling is, is that percentage-wise, points do come out of the passing game. Yeah, sure. Sure. And if you want to run it, it means you're going to have to run more plays to score. Yeah. And the likelihood of a mistake, a missed assignment, a penalty becomes greater. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Well, let's get into it then and look at some of your week three studies and apply it to week four and beyond. We started Philly. We're out of Philly. but you know the NFL world is starting to be kind of out of Philly here and the fantasy world is certainly and another very good performance I see by Jalen Hertz have they A become a passing team already and B are they a deep ball passing team because I may not have expected that with A.J. Brown added well it's funny because I think again we have a small sample size but that's all we have to go on
Starting point is 00:06:29 So this was this second consecutive game, John, in which the Eagles called past plays more than 20 times in the first half. Yes, considerable. I even wrote the note, are they making the transition to a passing team? And I would say the answer to that is probably yes. And, you know, the other thing you talked about the deep ball, I did make a note that the Eagles, when they were out of two by two sets, okay? and they got single high, whether it's man or zone, if it's single high, outside the numbers, corners have to match up, okay? It just becomes a matter of technique, but they have to match up.
Starting point is 00:07:11 You know, so the Eagles attacked vertically out of two by two sets versus single high. They threw to Brown versus Fuller. They threw to Smith for the 45-yarder. Basically, throw to the one-on-ones and let your receivers make plays. You know, the league is a matchup lead. You know, you want to feel that you can win your matchups. Yeah, and it's pick your poison time now already with the Eagles because, you know, this all started with their dominant running game.
Starting point is 00:07:41 And now they're kind of like throwing to set up the run maybe for the second half of the game, right? So, you know, you want to take that away. They'll just pound the rock too, right? And they're having success with empty sets. So obviously if you're in an empty set, that tells you they want to be a passing team more because when you go into an empty set, you obviously don't have the threat of all that backfield action in the run game.
Starting point is 00:08:04 You certainly have the threat, let's say, you have a quarterback draw, but you don't have all those multiple backfield actions that can stress defenses. So if you go to an empty set, they're basically telling you, hey, we're going to line up and we're going to throw the ball. Man, Devante Smith is, that kid is a freak. I really mean that because I don't think there's ever been a kid with his size who's got the ball skills that I mean he's playing through contact like I mean he's he's he's fine he's that's the thing it's the playing through contact and that's what what clearly the concern for a lot of
Starting point is 00:08:38 people was when he came out of college and you know the people who liked him it's easy to say well I knew this what happened you know that we know people say those kinds of things but it was smart reasonable people had serious questions about his ability to do that at the NFL level yeah sure I you know what I did I I had that I'm like I just observed them I remember you know, he had a walk-off touchdown to win the national championship when he was a freshman. Oh, I remember that played very well from Tua. Yeah, Tuatunga Val-O. Replacing Jalen Hertz in the game, you know, and I'm like, this kid is different.
Starting point is 00:09:10 You know what I mean? That was my takeaway. Just aside, John, because, you know, I think one of the great things about doing this, we do it on a Wednesday night, is we just kind of talk ball. You know, we're not worried about every single fantasy point right now. We're just kind of conversation. Sure. I think Jalen Hertz and Josh Allen, while they're not.
Starting point is 00:09:27 not the same quarterback, obviously. They make for a fascinating discussion about quarterback evaluation because you've just mentioned Devontas Smith and Tua. Jalen Hertz got benched at Alabama because he couldn't throw very well. Yeah, yeah. People forget that. And now I'm not, look, he's playing extremely well and I think he'll continue to play well, but I don't think anybody's going to say that he's just an unbelievably great natural
Starting point is 00:09:52 thrower. That's not what he is despite how well he's playing. But he's not uncomfortable. He's not an uncomfortable thrower at all. No, no, no. He's certainly a much more comfortable player. And Josh Allen, he came out of Wyoming.
Starting point is 00:10:05 People thought this kid will never make it. He scattershot. He doesn't know what he's looking at. He misses way too many easy throws. He's all over the place. Yeah. And now look at Josh Allen and is, what, is he in his fifth year?
Starting point is 00:10:18 Yeah, it's coaching. And you're very... You take two guys that clearly had significant deficiencies and look and look you know so you know the quarterback evaluation deal it's hard it's really hard you know hurts is kind of like a poor man's Alan in a lot of ways like he doesn't have the arm strength well Alan has right he has a huge Alan has a gun yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean he's like a poor poor man a poor man you know what I mean like but there's there are similarities the second reaction
Starting point is 00:10:52 the you know the the the running of course and right downfield throws, Hertz is excelling at, by the way. Real quick, you've seen the Jaguar defensive before we move on. Yeah, they're not, they're competitive. Let me tell you something. You know, I don't have to predict like you do. I certainly don't have to predict one lost record. And for all, you know, I don't know what they'll be.
Starting point is 00:11:14 Maybe they'll be 6 and 11. Maybe they'll be, you know, 9 and 8. Who knows? They could level off. They could level off. They're playing. They're kicking ass right now. But they've built up talent.
Starting point is 00:11:25 And on defense, their front group, including their two linebackers, they are athletic and they are fast. And big, too, aren't they? Big, yes. So they've got big athletes. They got Walker. They've got Josh Allen. They've got Scott. I mean, they've got Arden T, who's a good football player.
Starting point is 00:11:45 They've got rotational guys like Robertson Harris, who's very good. Hamilton, 52, very good. And Devin Lloyd, boy, is he playing well particularly in past coverage? and FOIA Loakoon, he is a really good player. We talked about the fact that he was an under-the-radar signing at linebacker, but a really good player. I mean, this is a... It's interesting.
Starting point is 00:12:06 ...eoretically should only get better and better. They have athletes. How about Trayvon, like, dropping deep into coverage? Oh, he's a really good athlete. Wow. And they've got length in the secondary. Yeah. They've got Jenkins, the safety, who's over 6'1.
Starting point is 00:12:23 They've got two big corners. I know Griffith missed last week, but he's over six. Tyson Campbell, six, one and can run. You know, I mean, this is a pretty good football team now in terms of talent. And Mike Caldwell is their decoordinator, and he was with Todd Bowles. So you know they're going to have pressure packages. He knows the importance of two linebackers because he had White and David in Tampa. So, you know, he's building that with Oluacoon and Lloyd.
Starting point is 00:12:52 So it's, this is, they're not. going to be an easy out. That's my point. I don't know if they're not going to be an easy out. I wonder if the Eagles, you know, kind of come out and just run it. Because these Jaguars, even when they travel, man, they're pretty aggressive. Remember that game against Jacksonville last year? Or no, against the Buffalo last year? With Josh Allen, they wreaked some havoc there.
Starting point is 00:13:16 They did. And they physically beat them. Yeah, yeah. That's without some of the guys they have now. Yeah, I'm just not sure if they come out slinging it in the, one, but, you know, they're a balanced attack. And then the Trevor Lawrence report continues to look good here. We just increased the sample size in 2022 by 33 percent. We're still feeling good, right? Without question. I mean, you're seeing, you know, you're seeing far more efficiency. And I think that has to do with his mechanics, his fundamental technique, the throws that he's
Starting point is 00:13:49 being asked to make. Oh, yeah. A lot of quick game, so the ball's coming out. Yeah. And it wouldn't come out as well without improvements in his fundamental technique. Very evident. He's quicker on everything he does beginning with his feet. And it's very, very evident. Yeah. And then Christian Kirk, you know, I've always been a little bit of a Kirk fan, actually. Kind of pumped him up too much a couple of years.
Starting point is 00:14:14 I have to apologize. But obviously, he continues to be utilized. In your mind, I think you've seen this offense a lot. Zay Jones has been like very much involved. two of the three games. Feels like he's a huge factor. Even though he caught a touchdown last week, Marvin Jones, he has not been as big as really Kirkins-A Jones.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Yeah, yeah, no question. And any thoughts I saw your note on E.N? I thought E.N is hanging in there. Like, I see a couple plays where I'm like, this looks pretty good. And then... Obviously, they feel Robinson is their number one guy. And he's had two big runs this year. other than that he hasn't had any particular you know he hasn't done a lot but obviously
Starting point is 00:14:57 he's but you know he's he's actually as we said last week he's actually a very good runner he just doesn't have a burst and explosion to his game but he's a very good runner thoughts on the eagles d here because you know their their linebackers are probably the weakness here they always are i wouldn't say that now t j edwards is playing really well oh i know but i i say to the point of the secondary seems to be outstanding, and the defensive front, the line has been really good. So, I mean, by default, they're like the worst unit, and they're improved. Yeah, I mean, last week, you know, through their front alignments, they were able to create a lot of one-on-ones, and that's how they got their sacks. They just won one-on-one matchups.
Starting point is 00:15:43 It wasn't scheme. I mean, you could say it's scheme if you want to talk about a front alignment, but by scheme, I mean, it wasn't blitzing. It wasn't overloads. You know, it wasn't that kind of thing. They created one-on-ones by their front alignments, and they won one-on-ones. I mean, that's what they did. Well, that's a pretty good opportunity to do that again this week, I would think. Yeah, I mean, although I think the Jags O line is pretty good. If they have a weakness, it would be at left guard with Barch. And they certainly have a rookie center, but I think he's played well.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Yeah, so Cam Robinson's hanging in there, huh? Yeah, I mean, look, is it beatable by the Eagles? Yes. Yeah, yeah. I don't think you'll see nine sacks, but, you know, who knows? Yeah. Moving on, you saw the commanders there. Yeah, because they played the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:16:35 That was a tough watch. Was that almost like your throw it in the trash game? Because it seems like they just rattled Wentz early, and they just got to him a lot. Yeah, they did. You know, Wens is not a quick player in the pocket. He's long-legged. He's a strider.
Starting point is 00:16:53 I'm not sure. I think there are times he doesn't see it quick enough. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, this particular game with the way the Eagles D-Line was playing was not very good for once, no. It was interesting seeing them play against Trevor Lawrence. It was a couple weeks ago, right? Yeah, yeah. Because they are very similar.
Starting point is 00:17:15 I mean, I see it, you know, Trevor and Carson. Eagle, so I guess, you know, we'll see about this week because we're week to week with Carson Wentz. But you're not like, you still think this is going to be a good offense, basically. Yeah, I mean, when all said and done, I mean, is it a good offense? You're talking fantasy. I mean, you know, I don't think they're going to be. Yeah, just move the ball, score some points. Well, yes, that'll happen.
Starting point is 00:17:44 How about this? How about this? It already seems like they're going to be ready. to put Brian Robinson in as their lead runner in about a month. Correct. As soon as he's ready. Now, I will say this. I don't think this is a good fantasy week for the commander's offense because they're playing Dallas.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Yeah, that front's nasty, huh? That's going to be a problem for them. Well, you're all over that last week with Daniel Jones. Yeah. That's going to be a problem for them. No problem. No question there. Let's move on here.
Starting point is 00:18:16 And, well, you saw the Chargers offense. And I'm not sure what's going on. They're off to a slow start. Obviously, the Sean Slater injury is a big problem. Well, another team like Buffalo, that they're not running the ball. Yeah. It's hard to play that way. No matter how good your quarterback is, and no one would argue that Justin Herbert is not a really good quarterback.
Starting point is 00:18:37 But it's just hard to play that way. It's, you know, so. And these teams are probably seeing too high safeties a lot. Yeah, they got. And also the Jagger. were really aggressive with pressure. Right. ...in the Chargers.
Starting point is 00:18:53 So, and again, you make a great point about Slater being out. They're going to be a little weak on the edges now, and it's going to be very interesting to see how that all plays out. I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling here. I thought Joe Lombardi did way better, and I thought, and you know what happens, regression, you know, it just seems to happen. You know, somebody overachieves, and then the next year, it's like, oh, okay. Maybe he wasn't, you know.
Starting point is 00:19:19 I can't speak to that, but I mean, you know, I think that they just have, you know, issues on their all line at the tackle position. They don't have a run game, so there's no volume and there's no production. Sure. And it's just hard. Well, last year they were getting by with Eckler at this time, and he doesn't have, I think it was he won rushing touchdown. And they also have production in the run game because he, you know, he averaged his yards for carry was good, you know, and he did have, I can't remember. how many carries he had last year, but it was probably
Starting point is 00:19:49 170, 180, 180, 1,90. I mean, it was a meaningful number. Oh, I think it was like 240 or 2.30 or something. I would call that up right now. But by the way, they also lost Jalen Gaiton. I can't help. You know, that's kind of their shoplay guy, too.
Starting point is 00:20:06 So, yeah, I didn't see that. He's out? Yeah, he's out for the year. Oh, really? That's ACL. I did not see that. Okay. Yeah, 206 carries for Echler last year.
Starting point is 00:20:16 So there you go. Right. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a meaningful number of carries. Yeah, and he's not getting, right now he's averaging 10 a game. And he averaged 4.4, which is not phenomenal, but it's good. And, you know, so right now, how many carries a game is he have? Well, he's got 10 a game.
Starting point is 00:20:35 He's got 32 carries for 2.5 yards a carry. It's very strange. Yeah, so it's, I mean, to me, I think they have to make a concert. Again, they're not going to be a running team. we think of running teams, John? Yeah, yeah. Like the bills, they need to run the ball more. Yeah, they got to get Sony and Michelle in there.
Starting point is 00:20:55 They got to get somebody. They've been trying, and Michelle's looked okay. Right. Last couple of games, moving on here. Chargers might be in a little bit of trouble here, but Miami, and, you know, I guess we'll see about two. I think it's probably going to come down to like a, you know, game time decision, but, you know, it looked like before the injury, you were.
Starting point is 00:21:16 we were continuing the good stuff with Tuotunga Veloa and Mike McDaniel scheming out plays and getting guys open. Yeah. I mean, they only ran 39 plays this week, which is pretty remarkable. Like, do you think it's completely sustainable? Because it's like, it's all those two guys. Like, they don't have a third receiver. I thought Gisickey maybe this week, no.
Starting point is 00:21:43 The tight ends are an after. It's literally just these two guys. I think that'll happen over time. Yeah. He wasn't a big factor this week as a receiver. Yeah. So, no, I think that'll happen over time. You know, McDaniel will build and build and build.
Starting point is 00:21:58 That's what he's really good at. He's really good at putting things together and building. And that's going to happen over time. And you continue to show confidence. And I'm sure you're right, because you're always right on these things where I'm sitting here panicking. But I still don't understand or I see a path to a good, really good. good, consistent running game with the personnel here in Miami. That will happen. Again, I'm not going to hear and say that they're going to leave the
Starting point is 00:22:23 league in rushing, but that will happen. Now, what about over in San Fran? Because you watch them too. Obviously, that was a weird game for Jimmy G's, probably rusty. I'm sure he looked it on tape. But I also worry about their ability to sustain what we're used to them with their personnel in the running game. Yeah, and you would assume based on Kyle Shanahan's history that they'll run the ball, they'll focus on it. Don't forget, they're starting two first-year players, first-time starters at both guard position. Banks from Notre Dame, who's in his second year, and Burford
Starting point is 00:22:59 from, I believe, University of Texas, San Antonio, who's a rookie and a center that I don't think they really want to be starting, but they're kind of stuck. So their interior three is not, you know, is a work in progress. And now Trent William, is out four to six. Yeah. I know. It's weird. It's, boy, a battle attrition in the NFL already this year.
Starting point is 00:23:21 I know we say it every year. But, man, it's like there are like 15 or 10 mini seasons within a season. You know. No question. I mean, and that's why, look, in the fantasy world, John, and obviously even in the regular football world, because guys, you only play 17 games. So every week is a big deal. but as far as making judgments about a team, separate from fantasy, that's really hard to do after three games.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Well, it's not that hard in Chicago. We won't go there, but it's not that hard in Chicago. I'm truly concerned about Justin Fields because I don't think he sees things very well, and I don't know how coachable that is. Well, I'm already gotten to this place. I'm calling for Trevor Simeon. Well, the fact that they do not want him to throw the ball, we don't have to see again, you know, I say this all the time is coaches tell you how they feel about their players by what they do with those players. Well, actually, Greg, let me cut you off because our friend, Mr. Kaplan, who joins you and I every Thursday night at FantasyPoint.com, which for basically this time, two or three, where we do go over every matchup.
Starting point is 00:24:38 He talked to a passing game coach in the league who, I guess, had an understanding of the playbook and the route concepts. And basically, the opinion was passed on to Kaplan was that Fields is just going out there streetballing it. And he's not playing with, he's not, you know, running the place, basically. So that's really bad. Yeah. And if that's the case, then we have a real problem. Then we have Trevor Simeon starting by Halloween. I mean, what happened?
Starting point is 00:25:16 Or sooner. And don't forget, I mean, the thing about Fields, though, he's a first round pick, so he has a five-year deal. So, you know, you can't just release him. Well, but the current regime is not invested in him. No question. But I mean, I'm saying, no they're not, you can't just release them. If you're in the fourth year, you're probably good. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Sure, sure. Well, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, obviously, he's not ready. So the easy answer is to sit him down if this continues for another week or two. I mean, because it's- They may have, you know, maybe they have to sit him down. Maybe they need to sit him down so he understands if indeed what Mr. Kaplan was told, which I would have no reason to doubt it, obviously. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Then that's the reason you do sit a guy down. If he's not executing the offense, it's one thing to make a physical mistake. that happens in any sport. Sure. But if you're not executing what you're being coached to execute, then that usually gets guys to sit down. You fail before you start. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:26:16 You know what I mean? Let's move on over to Cincinnati. I really felt strongly like somebody's going off here. Either it's going to be a mixing game and he goes off or it's going to be a Burrow game. I thought it was going to be a mixing game. It turned out to be a Burrow game. How did Burrow look in the passing game to you?
Starting point is 00:26:34 I would say much sharper. The guy who I loved when I did a deep dive on the Bengals this summer, and I still love him is T. Higgins. Yeah, yeah. He's... I mean, I think he's... Damn good player. Really good.
Starting point is 00:26:46 There's another team, though, that's going to have to run the ball better. They're not running it well. They're not getting much push with the O line. The tight ends this week did not block well at all on the edges, and that killed him. I saw that, Greg, and you know what my first thought was, well, number one, Hayden Hurst, not known as a blocker. And number two, do they miss C.J. Uzama? They could. I mean, but the point is, is that showed up on tape when I watched it.
Starting point is 00:27:11 So that's what I can see. But, you know, they're going to have to run it better, and their O-line is still a work in progress. Well, we nailed it on the live stream last Thursday about Tyler Boyd getting involved, if you recall. That was a good call there. The defense for Miami, you saw them, and they were. Oh, yeah. They're a tough defense to play. against. Yeah, I think this is, you know, Josh Allen, for all the accolades that he deserves,
Starting point is 00:27:42 he's been under duress a lot, you know. Yeah. Well, you know, they're just throwing the football. So, you know, they pressure. I mean, that's what teams normally do. And Josh has been pretty good. I mean, he's, but the point is about Miami's defense is they show a lot of pressure front looks. They show a lot of disguise. They come after you. They're tough to play. play against. So, you know, this is not an easy assignment. Yeah, right. Now, if they can't protect, I do think they're probably vulnerable here, but no Byron Jones out there. That doesn't hurt. Right. Xavier Howard is banged up. I think he's given up a couple of plays here. But yeah, okay. All right. Moving on here. Fantasy Points, Week 4 Matchup Podcasts. We're winding down here.
Starting point is 00:28:31 just a sample of the content that we get with Greg CoSell. We do the matchup live stream every Thursday night. We cover all the matchups, basically, all the players of note here. Another good game, Greg, for Lamar continued to say and see that less is more. I do wonder about Rishad Bateman. You know, people in fantasy are all about, you know, activity levels. you know, the number of routes run and, you know, all that stuff, which is obviously important, but... Well, that's all good, but in order to work in fantasy, he has to be throwing the ball.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Yeah. Do you think this is a little bit of a weird start with him, not getting that many targets? No, I don't think... You know what, John, I don't think that's the way their offense is. You know, say what you want about Hollywood Brown. You know, I think he just felt like, you know what? I can only reach a certain level in Baltimore. Now, I'm not saying Hollywood Brown is the greatest receiver in the league,
Starting point is 00:29:34 and I don't know Hollywood Brown at all. But I think we've seen as productive as this offense has been since Lamar has gotten there. You normally don't see heavy wide receiver production. Right. And don't forget, here's a stat which you may know. I saw this. This is mind boggling. They've played the lowest percentage of 11 personnel snaps in the league.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Only 17 snaps in three games have they had three wide receivers on the field. You know, which is not good for guys like Devin DuVernay and Thailand Wallace or whatever. But I thought, yeah, run heavy team, all about managers, sure. And they have a player in Patrick Ricard, who has no stats offensively. for the most part, for the most part, right, right. And is a critical, critical player in their offense. Yeah. I mean, I was hoping for like seven targets a game from Bateman, you know, I mean, seven or eight, but I guess.
Starting point is 00:30:39 I don't know if that's the way they play. Yeah, yeah. Andrews is the guy, and that's the guy he throws it to. I mean, he looks more and more like Kelsey by the week here, by the way. Yeah, no, I mean, that's what they are. They run an offense that's different from any other offense in the NFL. I wonder if you put Mandrews in a Chiefs uniform and swapped them out. Because there were a couple of runs.
Starting point is 00:31:04 I'm like, man, does he look like Kelsey out there today? A couple of others here. Broncos, I guess irrespective of the play calling. Any thoughts on Denver? Offense. Well, it's a tough watch. I'll tell you that. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:24 I mean, you know, I don't know, I don't. I don't, I don't, their past game is. really poor. They have some good runs here and there. You know, look, you and I both feel the same way about Javante Williams, but obviously we're not the coaching staff, so that's not likely to change unless, you know, they have an epiphany. So, you know, and by the way, Melvin Gordon has not played poorly. I saw a rumor. I won't even say where it came from. I think it's a joke. I think it's 95% of joke, but watching it, I'm like, oh, my God, I kind of, I kind of see that. It's like, Oh, word is that Rust made, you know, told the O-Lignment to only block for Melvin, his former teammate, which is absurd, I know.
Starting point is 00:32:05 But they do seem to block it up really well for Melvin. Well, Williams has run well. Oh, he's really, yeah, he has, absolutely. But I mean, you know, I'm not sure what to say about this offense. Right. Wilson's missing easy throws. Yeah. And I don't think he's playing with a good feel right now.
Starting point is 00:32:27 from the pocket. You know, he's getting stuck a lot. Yeah. He's not turning the ball loose. So will it come? I think most people would say because of who Wilson is and his track record that it will come, but it's been three games. And this week was really not very good.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Now, they played a really good defense, but it wasn't very good at all. You know, I'm probably overly simplistic, but, you know, Albert O has been kind of am I at. No, the whole, everybody really except Sutton has been. Exactly. Like, it's just like incomplete the passing offense almost. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, I don't know what to say about the other receivers. I mean, when Wilson got there, we all got excited, oh, Sutton will put up big numbers. Judy will put up big numbers. Right. Tight-ins will be a factor. Maybe that'll happen, but it's not happening yet.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Well, I was down on Wilson this year. I was down on Albert O this year. I was high on Sutton and I was pretty much agnostic on, Judy. And of course, Giovante, I love him like a son, but he's going to be fine. You know, you're not going to find many 22-year-old studs getting 19.3 opportunities per game in this league. So whatever Melvin does, hey, I'm proud of you, Melvin. I'm still starting Giovante, you know, every week. One more, Greg, the Rams, you know, I had a bad vibe here all year. Let me ask you this. How many more weeks until we start looking at Alan Robinson and wondering, okay, is Alan Robinson ever going to be Alan Robinson again? That's going to happen because last week they didn't run that many plays.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Yeah. You know, I think that McVeigh is doing an unbelievable job, taking somebody like Scaronic, lining him up at fullback. I mean, he's, you know, I think they're still working through all this. Last week, they only ran 50 plays. Yeah. That limits things a lot. They did throw to Robin. Robinson dropped a touchdown. I saw that. Oh, I know. I know. That's why I'm wondering, like, is this guy falling off to the point of almost no return? No, no, no, no, no. They don't run offense like that. I don't want to say they're solely a schemed offense, but because everybody at certain times says, hey, we're going to throw it to this guy. That's part of everybody's offense. But they are schemed in the sense that the concepts matter a lot. And Robinson is going to be part of the concept. That's a great point. That's a great analysis right there. No question. And how great does Tyler Higby look the last two weeks? Yeah, I mean, they're throwing it to him. They're screen game.
Starting point is 00:35:04 They're, you know, see, what you see McVeigh doing is even guys like Brandon Powell plays six or seven snaps, but they're meaningful snaps and he gets the ball. You know, so McVeigh is trying to build off things and that's good because, you know, coaches in the offseason study and they're really smart. So he's just trying to build off stuff. But they have staples. They'll come back to the staples. And, you know, Cup will be the number one guy. And he dropped a touchdown two this week. But Robinson will, you know, look, I don't think he'll get 140 targets, but he'll be. Yeah. I mean, it's a good question because he is off to a very slow start. And he might be, you know, like a bi-low guy. I mean, I was just a little aware like, oh, wow, we're featuring Scaronic now.
Starting point is 00:35:50 I mean, I, well, they're featuring him, but not featuring him. In other words, he does get some balls here and there. Like, he caught a third and one this week, which is a beautifully designed play for 32 yards. But they're featuring him. I wouldn't put him quite in the category of Patrick Ricard, but they're featuring him in a really interesting way where he doesn't have to get the ball. Did you see any life? I thought Cam Acres ran with some energy and he looked angry, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:19 So did I. Yeah. He's like, I got to take control of this job. Real quick, Raider offense, it's been slow going. Where do you think they are? No Hunter Renfro, I'm sure, hurt. I'm hoping that they can kind of round into form midseason and get. Well, I thought, again, every week is different,
Starting point is 00:36:40 but I thought what the Titans did was fascinating. The Titans on every third down essentially played man coverage with a bracket double over the top, whatever you want to call it, team has different names for this stuff on both Adams and Waller. Yeah. So they took Adams and Waller out of the game. Well, they do that again. Renfro's catching 11 balls.
Starting point is 00:37:00 And they played man on everybody else. Now, the question is, if Renfro was in the game, would they have done that? We don't know that, and they're not going to tell us, but we, you know, we don't know the answer to that. So Renfro looks like the third guy looks like a key. You can double three guys. You don't know. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:37:16 Yeah. You can double three. Well, this is great. podcast here 36 minutes. We'll call it a wrap here. It's just a little sample of the insight available at fantasy points.com from all the contributors, including Greg, here in the film room. Use that promo code Hanson 10. Hanson 22. Damn it, I did it again. Hanson 22 for 10% off. Wrapping it up here. Stay tuned into the feed, of course. Throw us a bone. Give us a good review. Check out the live streams and all that good stuff for Greg CoSell.
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