Fantasy Football Daily - 2023 AFC Town Hall with the Fantasy Points Staff

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

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It's time for the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top-level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. What is up, everyone? Welcome to another town hall series here at FantasyPoint.com. This is where we informally gather up after the NFL draft, free agency, the books, the draft in the books. Rosters are basically set.

Obviously, we need to see what transpires in training camp with injuries and all that, but we do have a lot of information about the upcoming 20, 23 campaign. So it's time to break it down with the crew here. Our guy, Adam Kaplan here, with the, he's out there, NFL insidering, as always. So he's ready to go with some information. Our guy, Brett Whitefield, our draft Maven, and really our overall football. a guru person here. I know he loves the word guru. And Graham Barfield and Joe Dolan as well.

So I'm sure everyone is doing well. We already did the NFC. We're going to go through the AFC here, go team by team, and, you know, talk about the fantasy ramifications of everything that they've done during the offseason. So let's start over in the AFC East with the Buffalo. bills and I'm going to go right to Brett and or Graham. I think those two dudes are are into Dalton Kincaid. So Graham, I'm going to actually start with you because you are Mr. Statt here.

I believe you're into the Kincaid. I could be wrong here. But, you know, I just have a real problem. I understand what they did. We all thought that they'd look for a wide receiver and free agency and or the draft. and they opted to go with a glorified, you know, basically a big slot receiver who's a tight end. But it just seems to me that people are expecting big things from Dalton Kincaid right out of the gate. But I'm not there yet.

I understand the process. But what about Dalton Kincaid Graham for this year? I mean, what are you thinking? Typically speaking, rookie tight ends are really bad bets for redraft and best ball fantasy. Like really, really bad bets. Like very, very rarely do these guys pop? Don't Kincaid could be the one outlier, though. I mean, this Bill's team has been looking for a slot receiver for the last couple of years here.

Analytically speaking, Kincaid as a prospect is really just kind of a one-year wonder. He did have eight touchdowns in his second season. But, I mean, on tape, this guy is a beast. Brett can speak way more to that and his fit with his bill's offense. But I think we're just speaking from just like a fit perspective, long and short term. I mean, Kincaid makes a ton of sense. Stefan Diggs is going to be. 30 soon.

Gabe Davis has been up and down, to say the least in his career. This team desperately needed an interior receiver. So fit-wise, I think Kincaid is fantastic. But I'm kind of with you, John. I think he's getting a little overhyped and fantasy. I love the fit. I love the fit, but I do know how many targets he gets here, one. Brett, I think you're kind of banging this drum.

Maybe I'm thinking of Scott, too, on Kincaid. But, you know, any thoughts on a target number for him? I just, I don't even see a hundred, but, you know, he could flirt with triple digit targets. Your thoughts on the immediate fantasy impact of Dalton Kincaid. I am skeptical. Yeah, from an immediate fantasy impact standpoint, John, I'm not sure what to tell you there, because targets, I got to see how much this guy plays in an 11 personnel before I can really commit to that. If Dawson Knox is still taking the lion's share of those reps, then then honestly, his target number is probably not going to be great at the end of the year.

So yeah, but from a football standpoint, this makes a ton of sense. I mean, Josh Allen was at his best when he has someone who can attack the defenses at all levels of the field, getting a guy who can work to shorten middle part of the field. Like I love what they're doing from that standpoint. I think this helps Josh Allen a ton from a football standpoint, how much it, you know, contributes to the fantasy world. I have no idea at this point. Adam, what is the word on the street on Ken Dorsey?

Because I don't know. I thought, you know, if you look at the numbers for Josh Allen last year, they were almost identical to the year before with Brian Dayball, but I do feel like we got a drop off from Ken Dorsey. I mean, can we assume that Ken Dorsey is going to take full advantage of a guy like Dalton Kincaid

quickly? Yeah, I mean, look, the numbers may have looked similar, but the it didn't look like that on tape. There was a drop off. It just didn't look as good. Now, part of us, because the Davis had the high ankle sprang in week two. It was never the same. John, you know, he shouldn't have played. I don't know why

they didn't set him down. Now, one thing you'll probably see is clear Shakir, you're going to see him get some time in the slot. The added Hardy is probably going to be more of a special teams player. And then the big addition, John, and this will help Ken Dorsey out is they're going to, the one thing behind the scenes, I know they really had a problem with is they just had no one to close games. If they wanted to run the football, we know they're going to pass into it,

but when they wanted to run it, they couldn't do it, consistently enough. And this is where Damien Harris comes in. He's going to be affected. Joe Dolan, I believe you were with me on Gabe last year. And again, I would contend. I was very much with you. I would contend if we don't get that game canceled and we don't suffer the high ankle sprain. You know, injuries are part of the game, but that's a pretty serious injury that I will contend all day until the grave that I would have nailed the projection on the head here.

he was up in like targets, catches, yards, yards per reception. It wasn't as bad as we thought. So the question is for you, Joe, are you back in on Gabe Davis? By the way, his price tag is decreased by about 50%. Yeah, I mean, it's a very, it's a, I think it's a pick that a lot of people are having to hold their noses to make this year.

And so they're, so it's dropped his ADP down despite the solid situation. He's currently wide receiver 40, by the way. Remember, he was consistently being drafted inside the top 20 wide receivers last year. And look, we overpaid. We got it wrong. There's no, like, bottom line.

But they didn't do anything on the perimeter this offseason, which actually surprises me. Now, I think there's certainly a chance they would be one of the teams in for DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, if those guys were to become available. But they didn't currently do that. But that leads me to a question for Adam, because I know. know Adam's giving us good stuff with the bills. There's a gentleman who's a second year wide receiver who is free in best ball drafts right now.

Adam, his name is Khalil Shakir. What do the bills feel like Shakir can give them? Remember, no Isaiah McKenzie, Cole Beasley's gone. Kincade's probably going to play some of that slot. But do they think Shakir can play outside at all? Yeah, no, Shakir's going to be, I think you have to be careful when you say, how many, you could say, Kincaid will be detached tight end. There's no question.

and that's the way that team saw him. But we were talking about wide receiver. Who's going to line up more as a slot receiver? It would be Shakir over Kincaid. Kincaid will move. He'll be a move tight end. We line up inside, absolutely. Line up on either side.

But if you're just talking about who's a pure receiver who can line up inside, it would be Shakir. In fact, last year they crossed trained him because they didn't want him just to be a slot. That was the obvious position for him when he was coming out of Boise. But they cross-trained him. Then they want to take a look at the kid Justin Schroeder as well. It's a fifth rounder.

They'll do that in OTAs in training camp. But I believe Shakir will, I don't know, but it will be their main slot, but he'll line up a lot there. That's probably the future for him is inside. Yeah, Dalton Kincaid Tide End 11 currently on Underdog. Like that's bad. That's steep. That's ridiculous. It's really steep, man.

And then like, John, I know we've been going through tight end projections. Like, I'm taking Chaker Conquo over him. I'm taking Dalton Schultz over him. I mean, Schultz is so boring, but like he could very well score six, seven touchdowns in this offense. Like, Kincade, I'm with Brett. Like, I kind of see this offense as like, okay, they have Gabe Davis on the outside, 99% of the time just like last year. Diggs will play obviously a ton to be the leading target guy. But, you know, they kind of rotated him in and out a little bit too, keep him fresh.

And then the rest will just be a rotation between Shakir, Kincaid. I think they like Deonti Carty. they get Hardy a lot of money. So I think the rest of this, this builds offense is just a full on rotation. That's another factor with Kincaid. You know, if they're paying Hardy,

they may rotate them on in there. Well, like Brett said too, I mean, I don't think Kincaid is a lock for playing in one tight end sets and 11 personnel. I think they're going to play a lot more,

well, for sure. They'll play more two tight end. Sure, sure. I mean, Dawson Knox, I'm sure has a big advantage

on Kincaid in terms of blocking and experience there. You know, Adam back to you real quick, and then we'll move on from Buffalo. But I talk with our guys, Sal Mayerana, local beat writer. A, he said, like, no one knows what the deal is with Naheem Hines. He's basically just going to be a return man.

B, he was with me. Like, what was the urgency? Oh, we got to get Latavius Murray. What's that? It's May 9th. We got to get Latavius Murray. Does that speak potentially to a little bit more of a commitment to running the ball? Maybe they don't want to use Josh Allen, those QB keepers.

No, no. Why then? My understanding was, and I'll just repeat what I said a couple minutes ago, they were frustrated the last couple years with their inability to sustain. When they got to leave. Yeah, yeah. Coaches will tell you, when we have to run the ball, we've got to be able to do it. And they just couldn't do it.

I think the bigger thing here, John, is like they've really committed to their interior O-line. They drafted of Cyrus Torrance out of Florida. I think they just had a really poor interior line and they've had a really poor run game scheme. And, you know, okay, they've recommitted to Dan, you know, they've recommitted with Dame Harris and Latavius. But like, I think their offensive line moves are another signal

that they're going to run a little bit more. But I still, Josh Allen's still the call line back. I would tell you they were not happy about what they're off, their interior though, just to take that. There wasn't so much they want to run the ball. They'll never be a running team. They just were frustrated with their inability to stay in blocks, in the interior.

Ryan Bates was an amazing story. If you follow the story formerly of Penn State and the Eagles and no one thought anything of them and somehow they developed them in and three teams in on him as a restricted free agent. He's a marginal starter. They're not very good at guard. That's just this thing and that's why they drafted Torrance

second rounder. They just have to, their offensive line was bad. It was below average last season. That's a clear fact. Anyone watching tape would tell you that. And it's got to be better. And that's why they spent the second rounder. it's, they're not going to change their belief.

They're passing offense. It's not changing. It's just when they need to run it, they got to block better and they got to get it. They need a banger inside. Damien Harris fits exactly what they're looking for. And obviously they know it. So is James Cook your primary back on a passion team, right?

He should be. Now the block. The team touches. Yeah. Yeah. The blocking got better. So one thing you got understand is the lead back for them does not, it's not the sense that we would see with a normal offense. Leave back there might get 14 total touches. Harris might get 10.

And Murray might spell, because with Harris's injury history, you need a third back. And Heinz, to me, remember they were in, they were in on McCaffrey. They had interest in them. It didn't work out.

Cathars weren't trading them then because the Panthers were still trying to make the playoffs about last summer. Then, you know, they went through a bunch of running backs that were looking for. They traded for Heinz. It didn't work out. It's tough sometimes when you make a trade

for a running back in season. You're trying to figure this guy you don't know. You're trying to figure out how to use them. And honestly, now with Cook's role in the past game, I don't know what Heinz is going to do. Nothing. He's going to do nothing. Just return kicks.

Like I said, that that's going to be their kick returner, basically their main kick returner. I guess he can do both. Let's move on to the Miami Dolphins. They did not have a number one pick in this draft. They had to forfeit that puppy. Adam, though, back to you because you and I discussed this this morning, despite the drafting of Devon A chain.

Of course, the third rounder is not a high volume guy. I am still thinking Dalvin Cook is in play in Miami. He went to high school like 20 miles away from the damn stadium. And they do have a need here. So what do you think here with Dalvin Cook? Yeah, if he gets released, that's where I would think there's a possibility. This most hurt well into his 30s major injury history. Jeff Wilson's a good second back.

A change is a change up. Remember, this offense is predicated that the Shanahan system is still running the football. I know it seems illogical based on having Waddle and Hill. And by the way, they brought in whatever he's calling himself now, Robbie Chosen and Berrios. But no, they need, they don't have that. They don't have that guide back, though.

They still don't have that. Right. Brett, Mr. Fantasy Points, prospect, God. you've broken down Devon A chain out of Texas A&M. How do you think he fits into this running game, this backfield? I mean, he's so similar to what Moster and Jeff Wilson already do in the run game. I mean, blazing straight line speed, you know, not an overly elusive guy, but for that outside zone team they're going to run, he's pretty much perfect for it.

I think, John, we talked on your radio program about perfect landing spots for A chain and Miami was in the discussion the whole time. It was either Miami or Cincinnati, in my opinion. and he landed probably in the best scenario for him. I'm curious to see, like, you know, they brought in Edmonds last year and paid him a little bit of money and Mostert still beat him out, you know, being one of the McDaniels guys.

I'm curious to see how much A-Chin gets on the field because McDaniels obviously likes Moster and Wilson, Jr. Those are both his guys. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know if you saw the projection I have. I mean, it's a tough one for sure, to your point there. But I gave this dude, you know, I feel like he's going to be a fast.

actor, you know, not a big one, but I gave them 100 touches. That seems fair. I mean, honestly, they had very limited draft capital this year, and they spent one of their best picks on a running back. It seems like they're going to use that guy. Yeah. What about a tight end? Do you know anything about Elijah Higgins, who was a wide receiver? Yeah, so Higgins is, you know, right away when I watched him in Mobile, I noted that, hey, this guy should probably move the tight end. He's a little clumsy for an outside receiver. He's big.

He's got good juice. He's fast. Yeah, yeah. But you can just see the stiffness in the hips. He doesn't have that sink and flexibility in his ankles that you kind of look for in an outside receiver. So I think him running a tight end route tree is going to be a much better option for him long term.

So I love the fit. I mean, they kind of have the weirdest tight end room in the NFL possibly. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't see a reason he can't get on the field if he, if he performs well in mini camps and OTAs. That is a needless to say, a very difficult projection. And I had to do that.

But, you know, Durham Smythe, I think I actually have higher, believe it or not, because he'll get some targets. But we're going to take a wait and see approach here with the dolphins' tight ends. I don't have much else other than, you know, Adam, I'm out on to it, man. I said last summer that this is going to work. this was looking good and it was, but I just cannot see this guy, you know, staying on the field here.

I guess he's all jacked up now, so was it going to be slower in the pocket now? The problem is he doesn't see the rush. He just doesn't have that field. Intuitive field quarterbacks have. It has to be feel it, don't see it. You know, you know when it's coming and you've got to get the ball. He's a target back there.

It's not the talent that he has, and it's not the talent around him. the offensive line still not great. Just he doesn't have that feel about, okay, I better get, it's 2.5 seconds that ball's got to be out. He just doesn't have that. Yeah. Well, Graham, Joe, for fantasy, where are you at with Tua?

I mean, he was on my target list last year. It was a, you know, it was a good call until it wasn't. Where are you? I think he's a little overvalued this year. I think Tua is just a guy who I'm not terribly interested in. I'll take his wide receivers. and if his and if his receivers hit, then maybe he'll end up hitting, but I'll get my piece of that offense by drafting his wide receivers.

There are guys going after him who I definitely like better. Daniel Jones, Kirk Cousins, I like Aaron Rogers better. I think I like Gino Smith better. Gough is up in the air for me, but I mean, the ugly reality of the game that we love is Tua might be one hit away from never playing it again. And unfortunately, we have to, we have to translate that and extrapolate that to fantasy football. And drafting Tua as QB12 is, in my opinion, is too pricey.

I just, I can't get myself. I don't know how Graham feels about it. I can't get myself there. Yeah, unless I have Tarek or Waddle, I'm not drafting Tua either. And keep in mind here, I mean, Mike White is like a functional backup. Skyler Thompson, like no. no hate. He tried his best, but I mean, that offense could not move the ball. So Mike White, you know, at least gives us a little bit better backup playing a little bit better safety margin

and feel better about Tyreek and Waddle. Does anyone expect a third wide receiver to do anything in Miami this year? Anyone at all? That's actually what you, you know, you kind of outlined it, John. There's not really a whole lot of questions about this team. That's my only question. Like Waddle last year, like if you look back at Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill splits, Tireke had a massive advantage. in terms of targets. Like first three targets, I mean, he was the guy. Now that Gassiki's gone, I'm wondering if a few of those targets do trickle Waddle's way because, like, they've got nothing else.

Like, this is an already super condensed target tree. I know we talked about this last week with the Eagles and the Vikings. They were already super to condense, but I think it might get even more condensed because they don't have a three and they don't have a tight end. Adam, they did sign Cedric Wilson last year before that Tyreek acquisition. And he was pretty good. talk with Mike McCarthy at the combine last year. I mean, that dude was going on and on

and on about Cedric Wilson. I don't know what the hell happened. Maybe he got mad that they brought in Tyreek, but there's a guy who might do something here, don't you think? But they don't really use third receiver. That's the problem. Maybe we could Sicky gone, though. Maybe a little

bit, but don't, now they'll have to figure out how to use Brax and Barrios. Robbie Anderson's there also again. So, I ignore Cedric Wilson. I mean, The only thing is, as you said, they don't have that past catching tight end. Now they'll go with the total committee. Those guys are there, by the way, all they're there to do is blocked.

They're not there to get us. Right. Let's move on to the Jets here, covering the AFC East here, the AFC version of the FantasyPoint.com Town Hall for 2020-203, post-draft, kind of gathering up and going over all 32 teams and all the fantasy issues here. Adam, I'll go back to you for the Jets. Corey Davis on the team. right now. I kind of think it's important. I'd like to see him for Aaron Rogers

stay here because he is very capable. It's a good depth guy at the very least. What do you think here? Because a lot of people thought that he'd be pulled off this roster. Well, Joe Douglas hit it. He didn't say exactly what it meant, but I know what he meant. He spoke highly up Davis, but he goes there's a business side, which means he's going to take a pay cut.

That's my read on it. Gotcha. I don't see any way he could stay for $10 million and be a backup because Wilson and Lazzar to your starters. And Cobb will be, Cobb will play the slot. It's the only position he plays, but I don't know how many snaps he'll get. Hardman is there. Ironically, before Joe Douglas got there, they actually tried to trade for him. Really?

Actually, no, they're going to draft him in 19. As a matter of fact, they had a trade and worked out. They'll work on a trade to get him. The former GM just didn't work out. Kansas City traded up to get him. They'd want to not get them. But it's going to be interesting to see because Conklin and Yuzam are getting paid a lot of money. So theoretically, you would think a lot of 12 personnel,

but with Wilson-Lazard, Hardman, Cobb, and Davis, they could go back and forth to 11 and 12. Yeah, I have no interest in any of the other jet receivers. I mean, maybe Alan Lazzar, but to me, it's Garrett Wilson or bust. I am a little curious about Tyler Conklin. Could he emerge? I could see Aaron Rogers being into Tyler Conklin. So that might be a thing. But even he's a little canceled out by you, Zonk. In the backfield, Brett, our guy, Izzy Abanacanda here. Love Izzy. A great kid.

Grew up in Brooklyn. And I'm sure I know he's happy. His father. I saw the video what he got drafted, that he's staying home here. Do you think Izzy Abanakanda, based on his body work and skill set and maybe deficiencies, is a safe bet to be the handcuff for Brice Hall right out of the gate?

it feels that way because it doesn't seem like they like Michael Carter but it seems like they did kind of fall in love with Zonovan night last year and Zonovan night ran pretty well for them so I think Izzy's got to compete a little bit he has to win that yeah but yeah Izzy's skill sets perfect for this offense you know they're a zone heavy team there a lot of inside zone a lot of outside zone talk about his burst vision and you know acceleration all that stuff home run hitting potential it's all there he doesn't give you really much in the past game as of right now so I think he's probably an early down rotational guy at this point. But with Breece coming off the injury,

they're going to need someone to take early down carriers, I think. Adam, what is up with Michael Carter? I mean, I thought that we were good. You know, I understood they drafted Breece Hall. I wasn't worried about Michael Carter for Breece Hall last year, but I thought we were good in terms of being a real nice complimentary guy. I'm not going to go 1B, but, you know, a very nice complimentary guy who consistently get 7, 8, 9.

here's what happened. Here's what happened. This is pretty simple. So they wanted to run the football because of the problems that quarterback. They did not want Wilson dropping back a lot because you saw how Bailey he struggled.

Yes. They went with Knight is real stiff. That's the knock on him in scouting. He's extremely stiff and upright, but he's strong. They wanted volume carries. Carter cannot be a volume back and that's their thinking.

Also on this. Van of Canada, if he's active on game, they will probably see time if they're down. I'm told it'd be gets everything together in training camp that's probably what you'll see.

Well, that speaks to them seemingly not like Michael Carter. Again, I mean, like, I don't get it. Like, I thought he was a good complimenter. Maybe in training camp, they could push for that help on third down, but I'm just telling you, their thought process. What I understand is, if

a band of Canada is active on game day, it probably would be more on third down. Okay. Well, I'm not into Rogers much, Joe and Graham. I'm sure you guys probably like them a little bit more than I do. I'm not really down on them. I just feel like it's going to be all about touchdowns.

I just look at last year's numbers in Green Bay and I think, well, there's Aaron Rogers this year. Good defense. You know, what do your thoughts, Joe? I mean, you seem to like them. Why is it exactly? Well, I mean, I like them more than Tua. I have them at QB14. I have two at QB16.

Here are some guys I have above them. I have Gino above them. I think you can make an argument for Kerkie. I have Kirky literally one pick directly below Rogers, so that's splitting hairs. I like Daniel Jones more than I'm obviously like Dak Prescott more. I like Anthony Richardson more. So I'm probably with markets on Aaron Rogers. I'm just a little concerned from a fantasy perspective, and this is more anecdotal than

anything else, that he'll end up leaning on his boy Lazard more than Garrett Wilson, who, Garrett Wilson Graham, I think is justifiably carrying a second round ADP right now. and I don't have a problem making that pick either. Yeah, no, my thing with Lazard is like, if you look at the last eight games last year and Christian Watson finally got healthy, got past all the injuries, Watson,

I mean, his target per route run was way, way higher than Lazard. And I mean, I think Lazard is what he is at this point. That's like a really good two to three. I'll be the Aaron Rogers bull in the room. This guy has led the lead in touchdown rate four times. He's now got way better weapons, a way better offensive line. John, I think the defense helps them.

I think they're just going to be a, I think they're going to be a really, really good team. Yeah. I'm not saying Rand Rogers is going to come back out here and throw 48 touchdowns like he did in the, you know, 2020 year on it. He's not, you know, I'm not that's, I'm not saying I'm there. Yeah. I could absolutely see a return back to the low 30s in the touchdown range with.

Agreed. I think it'll be the touchdowns. I just think it'll be the, it'll need, he'll need to be touchdowns, right? I just don't see him throwing it 38 times a game. Yeah. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. They're definitely built to run as well.

They're just going to be a good offense, I think. I mean, I think Rogers is just going to take them to the next level. As of mid-May, Adam, back to you, you feel okay about Brees Hall? When I'm told, he's ahead of schedule. He should be on the field and training camp. I don't know how much he'll practice, and he's certainly far as setback. Should be ready for the season. I'm certainly higher on him than for Giovante Williams who had a worse knee injury.

So that's kind of the way I would say. New England Patriots next up here, the AFC Town Hall over at FantasyPoint.com. And it was like watching a car wreck last year that you knew was coming, basically, with the office coordinators there in New England taking over for Josh McDaniels and not doing very well at that. So, Adam, what are you looking at? What is the goal here? Can we basically just get back to 20, 21, you know, by years in, if we're back to where we were in 2021 with Mack Jones,

then that's like a win for this year. Yeah, I mean, Brian's a real play caller. You could say what you want about him as a head coach. He's not very good to a certain extent if he has too much responsibility. But as a play caller, he's certainly above average. That's the way coaches work with him, tell me. Above average, the good. He'll do a good job with Matt Jones.

He'll coach him hard. And it's the Stevenson show in the backfield. They will run the football. When you look at the receiver corps, to me, they probably, John, will be a little bit more 12 personnel this season than you probably would think. Because it's Juju, it's born, it's more of a slot, it's Parker and just a bunch of guys, Rudy and Douglas. So to me, it'll be probably more 12th. There's a nightmare for fantasy. I mean, it really is.

Graham and Joe, I'll go back to you. It's like they've got like these little pieces that they'll use every 3.7 weeks. on average, you know, like Gisiki or maybe even Taekwon Thornton. I don't see a single player here that really stands out to me as a good pick. And I'm even going to include Ramandre. Oh, I don't know, John. I was literally about to interject to say I thought Ramandre was a big winner of the NFL draft.

Like the Patriots go out of their way to draft running backs on day two. You know, they do it. They drafted Damien Harris when, and he redshirted a year. year. They always seemed to redshirt these running backs. Remandre was one of the few who came in, made an impact as a rookie. Last year has his breakout season. They lose Damien Harris, and they go out and do what, sign James Robinson, who multiple teams couldn't wait to get rid of. I think Ramondre was one of the biggest winners of free agency and the NFL draft. And one of the reasons that I'm, I think it's really viable to be bullish on wide receivers early in your fantasy drafts is

that Ramandre is available in the third round. And he's going to be a Belcat. So I think Ramadre was a huge winner. I don't think this offense is going to be good, but I think Remandre is going to get the ball. I mean, look, we all love Ramandre last year. I was way out in front, too. I'm just trying to, you know, make sure

there's not something that we're missing here. I mean, he did wear down late in the year. That wasn't great. They do have a guy and, you know, Pierre Strong. Look, I get it. they didn't do crap and Ramandre's in line for another 300 touches but i just and and look the adp down is good too but i don't know man i just something weird about it he did wear down late last year um yeah i guess by default with the volume it looks good but i don't know adam do you do you uh

think any other player right now in the roster is going to factor and i will say james robinson he does seem like a Patriots type of a guy, and he does seem like he could be really annoying. Well, I don't see it that way, John. They just need a number. They don't have a number two running back other than him on the roster. Remember now it's O'Brien's show. They need a backup for Stevenson.

The offense is going to revolve around Stevenson. They think super highly open as I told you last spring. This is a guy. Really, when I was there for two days in training camp, I mean, he was the talk of training camp. He did a very good year. You could say he wore down. I don't know if he had a nagging injury.

I don't know what it was. Yeah, he didn't look as good. I mean, but it's going to start with him, telling him. Let's start with him. Yeah, sure. I mean, I don't think that's a hot take, but my man got 72 total rushing yards and four catches for 14 yards. So for the semis and the ship, thank you, Ramandre for getting us there.

But you crap the bed, you got like six points a game, dude. You know, and I know that because I had them. And I died like a dog in the. the playoffs because of them. Brett, is it possible that James Robinson, look, dude, scrappy, I mean, the guy gets every inch out there if it's blocked up for him at all. Is it possible that he factors in here and maybe a guy like Pierre Strong comes in and dilutes the water a little bit for Mondray? I'd say probably not on Robinson. Robinson just seems more of a backup candidate for short yardage situations. Pierre Strong, I could see them from a skill set standpoint using him

was a change of pace guy. Oh, for sure. Lightning fast. But other than that, I think Ramandre is one of the more complete backs of the NFL. I mean, he's one of the toughest outs in the league, insanely hard guy to tackle. It's going to make guys missed. You know, he's going to get yards beyond his blockers. Catches the ball really well, runs good routes.

He's good in pass pro. Like, there isn't a thing Stevenson doesn't do well. So I don't see a pressing need for them to kind of mix in another back at a high level. So, yeah. Well, my biggest question with Vermont. under a genre real quick is like, you know, he got 88 targets last year, only scored one touchdown. I do wonder if bringing in Gisicki, bringing in a few extra past catching targets, get Tyquant Thornton going. I think that's my only real concern with him is like maybe the targets come

down a little bit, but I'm more with Joe and Brett that like the workload, the skill, everything is there. I think if you want to poke holes, that would be the one hole. I think you can poke. It's like maybe the targets come down a little bit because he got so many dump offs last year. and I think ideally they probably don't want as many Lomandre dump balls as last year. Well, let's say it this way then. James Robinson's a key. If he's looking like really good and getting a lot of buzz,

I think that might be a bad sign because I did talk with a guy up there, Andy Hart, who I love the guy's really good, works for WEEEI up there, and he used to work for the Patriots publication. He does think that James Robinson is going to be a factor. So we shall see. but just throwing it on out there

as someone who was a Ramandre Stan last year. I mean, we ranked him freaking 30 spots over the markets and it worked until it didn't. Just throwing it out there. Moving on here, the AFC powwow here at FantasyPoints.com along with me, John Hanson,

Joe Dolan, Graham Barfield, Brett Whitefield, and our guy, Adam Kaplan, doing some NFL insidering. Well, we are in the AFC North. Things are looking good. with Todd Monkin taken over. Brett, I'll go to you for more of the football stuff here.

And Monkin is a, you know, guys done a lot of different things. But clearly they're going to throw it more. They're going to spread them out a little bit. Is this a good fit? And is this almost an upgrade for Lamar? We know Greg Roman's all about the run here, but I don't know how good Greg. Gromon is. I'm not a Greg Roman guy. I'm thinking here spread him out here. That might make Lamar even more deadly. Yeah, I think it's a phenomenal fit. I mean, I don't know how many

dropbacks more you want to add to Lamar's plate, but they definitely are surrounding him with receivers that are going to help with obviously Zay and Odell. They've got a really good tight end room. So you know, Monkin's play designs are going to benefit Lamar's accuracy issues quite a bit. They're going to get him a lot of a lot more easier throws, take advantage of his ability to get the ball downfield as well. That said, I, you know, I do have some pause because like, you're going to get to a point with Lamar, we're like, how much can we feasibly run this guy? You know, and that's, they've got to be, especially with the new contract, like, they've got to be considering that. And so I don't know, like Roman maximized Lamar's legs, of course.

Munkin's not going to do that, but, man, I don't know what, what the drop-off looks like for Lamar as far as running the ball goes. And I think that's a big part of like his fantasy relevance obviously is. Yeah, yeah, sure. As a runner. So I think it's a good fit to get him going with his arm a little bit more, but it could be at the detriment of how often he's running the ball.

Well, to your point, I actually I'm only projecting eight and a half carries a game, which is Joe, Graham. Any thoughts there? It's kind of a low number, but I'm just reacting to the moves that they've made with Monkin and Odell and Zay Flowers. We know they have 17 tight ends from the year before, but what do you think here? Lamar running it 8.5 times per game. I think it's fair. I still have him

as my as my QB 5. I have him right ahead of Justin Fields just because I trust Lamar Jackson more. The question I have here is about this receiving court. Look, on paper, we knew they had a bad one last year, at least at the wide receiver position. That's why everybody was in on Rashad Bateman. The question I now have is, and then I'm asking myself is, all right, now they have name value in Odell Beckham and Rashad Bateman and they drafted Zay Flowers. But how much does O'Dell Beckham have left? Are we sure Bateman's even good? Right. Because we've gotten two. Look, he's been hurt. I understand that, but we're not sure he's good. Zay Flowers is a rookie. So the question, They definitely made an effort to improve.

The question is, how much will it be improved? That's my biggest concern with this receiving core and why maybe push come to shove, November, they're just like, screw it. Let's just let Lamar be Lamar. So that's one of the questions I have. I think it'll be a better receiving group. I'm actually all about drafting, especially flowers, but I'm all about drafting these guys where they're coming off the board because nobody really

knows what to do with any of them. And they're all super easy to stack with Lamar. but I'm just concerned that the improvements are more on paper than they are in reality. Well, Graham, they could always revert to, you know, 12, 13 personnel if need be, based on the damn personnel here. I mean, they got Charlie Kohler is a damn good tight end three along with likely and Mandrews. But your thoughts here. Yeah, I'm with you on the eight and a half carries per game. I think that sounds about right.

We can probably tick a few off. I mean, in general, I mean, we've only had four running, four quarterbacks in the last like 12. 20 years to average over 10-and-a-half attempts per game. I mean, I think that makes sense for Lamar's attempts to come down in the run game. That said, wheels up. I'm 100% with Brett on Todd Monkin and the fit. Look, maybe Odell Beckham doesn't have much left in the tank. Maybe Rashad Bagan's not very good.

I'm with you on that, Joe. But, like, they finally have a three-receiver set that's functional and might actually have a little bit of upside. He mix in the fact with Andrews and Isaiah likely, like you're saying with 12, like this is a very, very diverse passing game they can get to. Keep in mind, Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely clear big slot receivers, basically. Isaiah likely looks like Anquan Bolden out there in terms of the way he moves. I mean, it's wheels up for Lamar. This is the time where he can get back to, I think, the MVP forum we've seen.

And it'll come down to whether or not he wears down at the end of the year. And I think that speaks to your broader point about running his. a little less. Brett, with Zay Flowers. I personally was a Zay Flowers guy. I had him at one. I love that kid. And I think by December,

I know that's late in the year, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's like the one here if Odell's hurt and Bateman's a little up and down here. But your thoughts on Flowers' ability to jump right into this league and make an impact.

I mean, a dude did play four years in college. Yeah, I like Zay. I was a little lower on him. I think the consensus was. He was my wide receiver four, but he has a lot of really good qualities. He reminds me a lot of Golden Tate when Golden Tate was coming out of Notre Dame. I don't think Zay is going to have the same success in the deep parts of the field that he did in college. I think he's going to be more short and intermediate guy, scheme touch screen game, yards after catch kind of guy. But he needs, he's going to need to be better in that facet of the game. I think there was a lot of yards left on the field with him at Boston College. Now, some of that was he was the only thing Boston College had. so teams were playing to that obviously but um i'm a huge baitment guy personally i know we have questions about what he can do he's he's kind of missed most of two years so far but he was a top he was a top 12 player for me in his class coming out i i love his game and i think from a from a tool standpoint

he's got the the most complete skill set to be the guy there in baltimore that is very fair and and this time last year i like bateman too uh no question about it adam what what do you think here that that that is a good point. Like we did kind of really like Rishaw Bateman last year. And he's a guy who can line up anywhere, I would say, probably outside, obviously. But what do you thoughts on Bateman? Look, he was going to be one of my breakout players. But yeah, the worst of the list front injuries, he had the bad one, the nine-month one.

So he's doing well. He's running. And we'll see how he looks at training camp. So they're going to go, two things you're going to see from them is they're going to go no huddle. And they're going to see a lot of spread concepts. and this is the Monkin's background, particularly when he has enough guys who received. Don't forget Nelson Agil was there.

No, it's not great. Yeah. I was just about to say, Adam, they've got five guys. I mean, if you include Devin Duvrenay, who is fine? Yeah, who's a spread for them last year. I mean, they've got five guys here that they can rotate. Yeah, they've got the ability now to go 11 or 12 whenever they want. Again, that's if everybody's healthy.

And you've got likely in Andrews. So that's a pretty good group. Now, the chances are probably slim that these guys will stay healthy, particularly Beckham and Bateman. Really Beckham, that's the one at 30. Though I'm told his workout was really good. I know it's only a workout, and you wonder about the condition of his knees, particularly the one said.

He'll be 31 in the fall, too, 31. But the offensive line is back, other than Ben Powers, it's in Denver. It's not a big deal. And this could, this offense actually could be more forward-thinking. And I can't wait to go to the training camp. This is going to be certainly different from Greg Roman's run base. Oh, look, they've got Andy Isabella.

We're good. We're good. baby. I was actually at the campus of UMass on a Saturday, where my, my oldest son went to college. I was up in that area. I showed my 17-year-old twins drove around that campus to see where their brother went to school. Anywho, moving on to the Cincinnati Bengals. Not a ton here in terms of the questions, but Adam, back to you. I did throw this out there this morning on the radio here. a couple of draft picks to add some nice depth there. You're Sivis.

I still struggle with the kid's name from Princeton who doesn't have great hands. Kind of like that Charlie Jones as a maybe replacement for Tyler Boyd. But on the chance, if I'm the Bengals and I'm Zach Taylor or Duke Tobin or whatever, you know, like I'm looking at Jamar Chase T. Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Joe Burrow thinking, man, we may not have this group back, all four of them at the very. release. So why not just come out and throw it more this year? They're going to be super heavy, super heavy 11 personnel. Irf Smith and there is a slot tight end.

Yeah, bringing him in. Yeah. That tells you what they want to do. Their offensive line, John, you know, they've upgraded it. We'll see how it looks. They actually have depth. They could go nine deep. So this should probably be far as best offensive line. Things are looking better here of mixing. This should be it for him. This should be his last year. Yeah. I watched Chase Brown, whose brother with the Eagles. They're two. watch watch him he's a very interesting fact

in his fifth round of Illinois yeah he's a fun back I would not be surprised if he wins the number two job and now about him being the replacement for Minton I wouldn't go that far but he has a very good chance to do that number two job right oh I'm I'm already handing it to him John

I'm drafting him John I'm drafting Chase Brown just in the look Mixon's been disappointing like they they take him off the field and passing situations there were rumors that they were going to move on from him this off season there's not a ton of depth there. Chase Brown is just a guy. He fits the profile of a guy I want to be drafting. It could be in a great offense. Mixing gets hurt. All of a sudden, we're looking at a lot of opportunity there. Yeah, Brett, with Chase Brown, you know, I watched him in Mobile for a couple of days.

And, you know, I would, I would not have qualified, called him like a big guy, you know, I mean, but man, I interviewed him at the convoy. My man's upper body was jacked up here. What do you think about Chase Brown? Great kid, by the way. Oh, he's as rocked up as it gets, man. Like upper body, super lean, muscular dude, lower body, giant thighs. He looks like a track star, actually, and he was actually. That translates.

But he's another one of these guys. You know, we talked about A-Chane, Ebeneaconda, and now Chase Brown were like scheme was really important for him. Like landing spot was really important. He landed in a great spot. Cincinnati kind of got away from outside zone a little bit last year, but it is there. It is what they want to do.

what they've done in the past and done it well. I think Mixon's lost a little juice, which is why they went away from that outside zone. But Brown has all the juice in the world. So like I could really see him taking, you know, that RB2 spot and doing really well with it. If they're going to get back to outside zone, I love the fit here.

Yeah, there's a tremendous upside as a fifth round player too. Like it's great. Yeah. According to some of zebras tracking at the senior bowl, Chase Brown had the fastest top speed among all the running. Well, that's what I'm talking about, because I'm watching them. do that and then I interview him in person and I mean the upper body I couldn't believe how big he was

you know so he's kind of that's intriguing that's good um I'm with Brett I'll take it a step further like I was a humongous Joe Nixon fan coming out of college he popped in yards created he's obviously been a great fantasy back up until last year he he I mean his advanced numbers last year were borderline awful I mean yards after contact mistack was forced he was dead last and this tack was forced per rush carry. Excuse me, per rush attempts. I mean, I don't think Chase Brown's going to come in here and get 180 carries. I just don't think that's going to happen.

You're one, but like there's a very real chance here. Joe Nixon's fancy value for us is like, basically he's just like Zeke. He's like the goal line back and they don't throw, they don't run very much near the goal line. So I'm pretty concerned about mixing. John, for ranking and projection standpoint, though, like, it's very hard to not rank Joe Nixon like at like RB20 right now. I mean, yes.

The other thing is like, it's. still the Bengals offense. They're still a top three team. Like Mexican could easily fall into the end zone eight to ten times and still be a fine RB two. Well, and also my thought on it was that they'd lose Somaget P. Rine who got 51 targets last year. You know, Mixon caught 60 balls. I mean, between the two of them, they caught 100 balls. So I'm thinking Chase Brown will get triple-digit carries. I wonder if this is the year we see Chris Evans at a little bit of the passing role. He was in that

role in Michigan. That's like really the only thing he did at Michigan. He missed a year 20, I think it was the 2020 year he missed. But in 2019, he was like a passing down back for them. They've been, you know, they kept him around. They kept trivia on Williams round two. It'll be a full-on competition, I think, between those three. But Chase Brown, absolutely talent-wise has the upper hand on those three.

Yeah, I don't know what to think of Chris Evans. because, you know, I'm talking to people, our guy Jeff Hobson, who works for the Bengals website, you know, insider type. You know, he told me they loved them two years ago. And then they gave him like literally seven touches last year. Well, I think Somagie was one of those guys that like really popped for them and they love protection. Mixing can't pass protection.

That has never been his thing. Even in college, he was not a good pass. Right, right. And some guys, officer coaches just don't really have a good handle on how to use a guy like that, you know, where you're going to throw him three balls a game and give him maybe two carries a game. Let's move on here. The AFC North in the Fantasy Points AFC Town Hall. Oh, Joe Burrow is good, by the way. We all know that. So is Jemar Chay. Oh, real quick. Is anyone with me on Jamar Chase over Justin Jefferson this year at one overall?

just because, just because the momentum is in his favor. He fits the exact profile of Jefferson last year, 23 years old, entering year three with two good seasons. I know the availability stuff. Is anyone with me on that? My only pushback, John, is that T. Higgins is also, like, really good and stuff. Yeah, it's a problem. When Higgins, when Higgins is healthy, Chase and Higgins' production is pretty similar.

I will say, Jamar Chase was out there, like Greg Jennings and Madden on that YouTube video. out there with no broken leg. He had a broken hip last year, and he was still balling. Yeah. The dude broke, he had a broken hip and he still, like, did not miss a beat. So, I mean, he's a dog. There's no doubt about it, but T. Higgins is too. Yeah.

Well, it'll come down to touchdowns. I mean, would anyone be surprised if Jemar Chase scored 19 touchdowns this year? That's the thing. It's like Higgins and Chase could have very similar receptions in yards. Maybe Chase has a little higher yards per reception, but like Chase could score 14, 15 touchdowns. Yeah, John, I'm not. I wouldn't be shocked if Jamar Chase outscores Justin Jefferson this year. I just think logically Jefferson's the call just because of the questions with Minnesota

that you don't have with Cincinnati at the wide receiver position. Yeah, yeah. I'm feeling it though, man. It's just the way life is, you know? I mean, I said this about Debo last year. And you know, I freaking, I freaking love Debo. Yeah, that's the thing. is like Chase is absolutely going to be

the wide receiver one certain years. Like these guys for the next couple years are you'll eventually get one. And I'm with you. This could be the year. I think it's close. And is Justin Jefferson Adam really getting 183 targets again? I mean,

that's a big number. It'll be hard. Yeah. It'll certainly be hard. But I don't think much is going to change in terms of what they're going to have to do to win. They're going to have to throw the ball to win. Well, that's true too. That helps. Addison there. I mean, he's a favorite of a lot of receivers

coaches I talk to. It'll be Jefferson. The one thing we have to remember is Hawkinson is now there full-time where he wasn't last year. Yeah. He used a home from the factory he was. Absolutely. Josh Oliver went from like just being a pass catcher to a blocker. You know, he's one of the better blocking tenants that nobody knows about.

So Hawkins will catch the ball. And now Osborne will be the three. Jalen Rager's still there. And it will see about Cook. And Madison signed a pretty significant backup deal. He'll be the guy. I think we'll move on from Cook in Minnesota, but we'll get back to the AFC.

By the way, I did fail to cover for a previous team, J.K. Dobbins. I am all in. This is the year for J.K. Dobbins. I've actually never up in other than 2020 or whatever the year he got hurt in the preseason. I was pretty much all in that year. But I was not the rookie year, and I was not last year on Dobbins. but I am all in. Like, this is it.

Last chance, really the only chance for him probably to get a big time payday. Are we all in on Dobbins? I think by default, you kind of have to be. Last year, I was completely out. I just was not drafting him at all after that injury. The first couple of games he tried to play, he was not himself. And then he came back in December and he looked really good. like not all the way back, but really, really good.

And now he's going to have a full year to recover. My biggest question, I'll kick it back to Adam is like, they've got to bring another back in here, right? I mean, they can't go into the year with just Gus Edwards as they're two and just as Hill as they're three. Yeah, they certainly could use one more guy just for depth, a veteran journeyman type, but Dobbins will be the guy. There's no competition.

Edwards is not competition. He fell off. No, no. And if they throw it more, Dobbins, can catch it. If you recall, one thing I want to add, he was super pissed off at, I guess Roman, because he felt great around in mid-season. And then he'd get in and then he'd pull him. And he just didn't understand it.

No one other thing we should add here. This is a, John, this goes back to this run, the final year of the contract theory, which we started to hit last year. Oh, yeah. It's a big year. This is a final year. Does that a ton of motivation? He's healthy.

He looked good. As Graham said, a close season. I would, I, I, what now all in, where's he going in draft so far? Oh, and that's part of it. But, you know, the running backs are getting pushed. down the board. So Underdog Fantasy 58.

Yeah, it's like the end of the fifth round, six round. He'll sneak into the six round. You can get him as your RB too. I mean, I mean, that's good. Yeah. Even if they bring in another guy and he only gets like 220 carries, like he could, yeah, he can get there on 220 carries. That's why I wouldn't say I'm all in. You don't have to be. Yeah. Like, it's kind of fun.

Like, I have them like lower than you do, John, but I still have them above what ADP is and it's one of the reasons underdog and I'm sure you'll cover this in your in your underdog draft plan. Like it's almost stupid now. Like you almost have to go with the flow and draft wide receivers. You have to.

Because the running backs are just so freaking cheap. It's amazing. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I have never in my life drafted three wide receivers to open a draft. Never. Yeah. And I wrote already, the article will be done today by the way. we'll get it up later in the week, but I actually wrote that. I'm willing to do it.

First time in my life. Let's move on here back to the Cleveland Browns here, the AFC Town Hall at FantasyPoint.com. This is where we all gather up post-draft and just chop it up and talk some stuff out. We've already got the projections up at FantasyPoint.com. I'll make some tweaks if anything comes to the surface here. But Cleveland Browns, by the way, with all in on Dobbins, what I meant was, I'm all in on him as being like I'm playing the flag. That's one of my top five running back targets this year is Dobbins.

John, if they don't, real quick, I know we're trying to move on, but like if they don't add a back, Dobbins is going to be one of my RB2 targets. Like there's very few guys at RB2 that I really target every year and Dobbins will be one of them. I think I mean, I think I'm structurally speaking, I'm always with you. Like I always want a stud RB1. I want to have one guy that I can count every single week. that RV2 spot is different though like I'm fine streaming that but if Dobbins

is going to stay in that fifth six round slot and you're telling me I can get my RB1 and two or three receivers and then get Dobbins like I'm going to be all about and by the way when Dobbins is going off the board this is you know through me looking into everything for the plan I'm like I don't like the receivers

exactly all the those are to take it yeah that's that range where it's like Jackson Smith and Jigbud Tyler Lockett Mike Evans Williams oh yeah you can poke holes and all those guys. I don't like any big Mike this year. If you're big and your name's Mike, I don't like you.

Mike Williams, Mike Evans, Michael Thomas. Anyway, moving on to the Cleveland Browns here. Again, I'm very high on everything. I love the O-line continuity with Stefansky and Van Pelt. You know, Watson's my number one quarterback target in terms of an ROI. We all love Elijah more like a son. Amarie Cooper was really good. Tillman, I met at the Combine, great kid.

I mean, what is there? I like in Joku. I mean, I'm all in here on these Browns. I mean, does anyone have any brushback on that notion? No, I mean, the only brushback I have, John, and like there's so many caveats here is Watson was so freaking bad last year. But there's obviously just a million caveats there. Yeah.

Right. Yeah, I mean, the main caveats for me is like the dude didn't play football for two years. like that's a very real thing, very real thing that he switched offense coordinators, switched teams, a whole brand new receiving core. I'm back in on Watson. I mean,

you know, he was a top five quarterback before, you know, everything happened in Houston. I mean, I don't know if he ever gets back to that. I don't know if he ever gets back to the top five guy. But you look at the surrounding talent,

you look at the continuity, you look at Stifansky. I mean, this system is set up for him to really have a great year. I still can't believe how good Watts it was in 2020. It's been three years. I still can't believe it because it started out slow. I'm like, oh, boy, this is. And then he just dominated from the pocket with 30 plus tutty, 70% completion rate.

Brett, any thoughts on these Browns here? Are you in? Are you a skeptic? A lot of continuity here, a lot to work with. Yeah, I mean, I like the Browns. I think my big concern has already been mentioned. That's Deshaun Watson. Jacobi Brissette was significantly better than he was last year.

And they don't have him on the roster anymore. So, you know, obviously Watson, they've committed a Brinks truck load of money to him. So, but yeah, he's got to get it back. If he doesn't get it back, this is going to all be for not. It's a few bricks trucks, Brad. It's, there's multiple here. Adam, anyone in your recollection, like, well, I guess Carson, Wentz. I was going to say, lose it, you know, at 27.

Yeah, Wentz is completely different. It was passing mechanics. It was coached of being willing to be coached and all that. He just did it completely different here. Watson was incredible. I know that the Texas defense, John, you remember how non-competitive they were? Yeah. That's why people were lost on Watson in 2020. He was phenomenal. Then you fast forward now. Now, I'm not going to say they're going to throw the ball 10 times more for a game, but Watson it through the ball, I think left about 20 times per game. That's going to go up. It's going to go 30, 30, 35 times per game. Oh, yeah. And by the way, by the way, Adam, real quick, I'm going to piggyback off

of that. I feel like their lack of moves that running back speaks to them throwing more this year. Maybe, but they can't get rid of Nick Chubbs, so they're going to have to run. But you don't spend all this money and not let Chishaw Watson throw the football. He's not their football off-season. Yeah. We're used to Kareem Hunt getting $150. 50 touches in the backfield. I don't think anyone is doing that other than Chubb. No, I told you last year, Ford will eventually be the backup to Chub.

And that's now we're there. So he'll be the backup. But the big story here is Cedric Tillman. You watch, if you've got him in a dynasty league, he's going to start opposite to Cooper. If it's not this year, it would be the following year. Yeah. Yeah. And now, the good thing about Moore is he can line up with three receiver positions.

So they have actually really good depth between Cooper, People's Jones, is still there finally for sure if you deal more Tillman really went and david bell i know is didn't really do much and then good dude man he is a the rock solid guy yeah so he doesn't run very well i know i know and then you got just to finish us off let's get through this and joku and jordan aiken's got to be like 40 years old now who could run yeah this is going to be more of a fast break offense i know stepansky hasn't done this before but the personnel will tell you that you have to do that let's go over to the pittsburgh stealers and another team where I'm in.

Now, I'm optimistic very much so. I don't know if I'm like loving, you know, George Pickens in Fryermuth, for example, at their ADPs. I will say that, but I'm, I don't get it with Kenny Pickett. I understand the man through like freaking nine touchdown passes. I know.

I know it's bad, but, uh, hello? he's due. That's what I would say after he roll with a freaking 1.8% touchdown rate last year. That's awful. That means brutally bad. So I think we're looking good with Kenny Pickett. Again, I don't think there's going to be 30 touchdown passes to go around. So I actually don't love, love, love anyone, really, other than nausea. but any thoughts on Alan Robinson, Graham, I'll go to you. You know, what is he going to contribute? Is he going to help?

Or is you just going to be, you know, paying the butt who dilutes things for Deonté and Pickens? I think last year we know exactly what Alan Robinson has left. And I think he's basically just a red zone threat at this point in his career. This is a super weird passing offense because like on paper, Deontay, Pickens, Friermuth all fit really well together. And you throw Robinson in there as like the Reds-Zone guy. They all fit well together.

My biggest question here is this offense coordinator of Matt Canada. I mean, guys, I don't not look, Mike Tomlin's one of the best coaches of all time. I'm not going to sit here and act like I know a tenth of the ball that Mike Tomlin knows. But Matt Canada was, it was a rough watch last year. I think that's a part of the reason that Pickett's efficiency was so bad. I mean, how many games did George Pickens get like a target on the first drive? And then you wouldn't hear from him until the fourth quarter. I mean, look, I realize that he's a prototypical 1980s throwback X classer,

clasher receiver. He's just a vertical guy. He's not going to win on a ton of slants and stuff. But like, throw the rock to this guy. Like, just throw it up to him. And it's like, we have to beg Canada just use as receivers in the way that they win. And like, I don't know. I'm not, I'm just not there on this offense.

like you outside of Nashi. Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, I freaking love Pickett last year, and he did literally everything I thought he was going to do. So, I mean, it's like I can only default to assuming some growth here. But yeah, no, Canada's the bus kill. There's absolutely no doubt about it. They might get some contributions from Calvin Austin, too.

That'll help here. Brett, when you look at the, you know, the fantasy points data aspect of Naji Harris, and you want to work in the O line, that's great, because I think that, you know, he's a, kind of a winner coming out of the draft, adding Darnel Washington and Broderick Jones here. But, you know, was there anything with the numbers on Najee? I mean, he was dealing with that foot injury.

We're not going to get the targets that we got with Big Ben, but I am in on Najee this year. Yeah, Najee, so, you know, he started the season with the injury, did not look great early in the year. And then I thought slowly kind of got back to himself as the year went on. he you know that line was so bad when you actually look at his efficiency numbers like for things within his control they were really close to what he did as a rookie like not much actually changed so i think this the talent is still there it's just they mass they needed a massive upgrade on the o line or in the run block scheme in general so yeah i felt like they got they came together though the o line down the stretch a little bit yeah a little bit so they you know last year they brought in

like mason cole and uh james daniels two guys that like can pretty much only play in zone scheme. For whatever reason, Pittsburgh tried to not play, not, you know, use zone concepts with their run game early in the year last year. And then as they slowly kind of transitioned to a more zone heavy scheme, they started tagging a lot of read option under their run plays for Pickett. And that kind of opened things up for them a little bit. And they did gel a little bit as they went to a zone heavier run run scheme there. Do you like Pitt? Do you like Pickett? Sorry, Graham. Do you like picket? No, I don't think he's bad. I think the things he struggled with last year were predictable. Like my big knocks on him are he can't, he's struggling.

is pushing the ball outside the numbers downfield. There's Pickens issues right there. You want him to throw the ball down there more, but he really can't. Like it's not his strength. And then he doesn't play within the structure of the offense super well. I think that's what the Allen Robinson trade is all about for them. I think Robinson is going to play in the slot for them. He's going to be the short part of the field, middle part of the field.

And the whole goal of Robinson for them is just to get picket on schedule. Let's get him throwing, hit that back foot, get rid of the ball, and get him playing on schedule and then the other stuff should open up for him as he gets better at that i think that's the whole goal of alan robinson though that's a good way to frame that and then maybe a little fire mute there as well here adam uh do you have any concerns about jalen warren at all like is jellan warren going to be you know they're talking about maybe a little bit of a one two punch there in that backfield could he maybe get a few more touches than people think yeah i mean could but again it's it's a nage harris show one thing i would add uh talking to people coach alon ron

to work with him. He's got outstanding short area equipment. It may not time well, but guys who have coached him tell me that they like him in that short area, it's what Brett was talking about. Now, Austin obviously is a guy to have to take a look at him and play last year because he was hurt. And I know he could play on the outside. He showed at the senior ball, but he really, because he's small and he needs to play inside. But Robinson's a taller slot. Austin's a smaller slot. Robinson, as we know, has been an ex-receiver. He just gives him a possession receiver, a leadership guy in the twilight of his career. John, if they just had a better coordinator, this could be a top five, top seven offense with this past target group.

It's with Prymouth, Deontay, Pickens, A-Rob, Calvin Austin. I mean, that's a really good five. It's a shame. No doubt. Anything else, Graham? Yeah, the one thing I wanted to add about Naji last year, I was a huge, huge Nogie fan coming out of college. The Steelers lied to us last year. They said that Najee had like, he got stepped on in August and in one of their training

camps and, oh, he's fine. Turns out he had a Liss Frank injury. He had a freaking foot sprain that he was doing with all throughout August and September. And if you just like, I'm a big believer, especially at running back, and especially for a player like Najee, who's a bigger guy, bigger body guy, and any loss of juice is big for him. Yeah. I'm a big fan of injury discounts.

and Najee, I think, is one of the best injury discounts in recent memory. I mean, the guy is, he was a blue chip prospect. I think he was a borderline blue chip prospect at running back. And now he's going in the fourth round. I just see him as old school, like, available, like 17 games, check, check, first two years, all kinds of touches, injuries, check. I show up for work. Would it not surprise you if he led the league

and touches this year? I mean, no running back in the world has more running back and more touches than Najee the last two years. Like he's number one. Yeah. He was number one the year before.

And then he had up to two years. He's number one in the league. Houston Texans over in the AFC South, obviously transitioning with Damiko Ryan's and Bobby Sloick, C.J. Straits. A lot of moving parts here. there's no doubt. I mean, you could argue that the Texans upgraded everywhere. Head coach, coaching staff, quarterback, backup running back, wide receiver,

tight end, and offensive line. I mean, I believe that's everywhere. Brett, I'll go to you when we try and navigate and handicap the receiving core. You've got the big perimeter guy in Collins. You've got the gadgety guy in Tank Dell. But then you have John Mechie, who I think is just the best overall option and can line up in all three spots. Is that fair? I know he's done nothing. But John Mechie, I think is the best option for the Houston Texans. Yeah, I mean, Metchie profiles a guy who you can play inside or out.

When you look at the construction of the rest of their core, like Nico Collins is like probably an X only. Robert Woods. Yeah, Robert Woods at this stage of his career is probably best served in the slot. And then Tank Dell is a slot player. Noah Brown's probably a best served in the slot as well. So METCHI is really the only guy that has the versatility that you're going to look for to build an offense around and, you know, to the moon with him. I love that. My guy, Bobby Sloick, former colleague of mine at PFF, love Bobby.

He has his work cut out for him, taking all of these collection of parts and putting it together and making it work in his first, I would say his first big boy job in the NFL. So shout out to Bobby. I hope he does well. Hope he does well. and, you know, if he has any, you know, Lou, which I know he does, he'll love John Metchie because that kid is awesome. What a great personality and good, good on the field. I mean, you know, I talk with him about the precision of the route running and all that, and he's talking about how, you know, it's Alabama, they're pushing one another, very good route runner.

Ironically, he's a lot, got a lot of Robert Woods in him. Adam, are you worried at all about Devin Singletary disrupting things for Damien Pierce? I'm actually not. They don't have a three. Without him, they don't have a two or three. So Singletary would be that guy. And he showed that he can't handle a load in the fourth quarter.

The bills were frustrated so they moved on. No, not really. It'll be it's Pierce's one, Singletary's the two, but it'll be the three. That's it. And that's, when you look at Houston, it's pretty straightforward. Robert Woods last year was clearly not ready to come back from the ACL injury. And I'll tell you what, they fully guaranteed it signing nine and a half million,

which is insane the Texans did. I know they had a lot of money to spend. They have a cash spend had to be up by NFL rules over a three-year period. So they overpaid for Robert Woods. He's there. He's a possession guy. He doesn't run that well anymore because he, he's in his 30s. He's got the ACL.

But being that he's John, I'd be careful. I'm not saying that you can't leave them at receiver. But man, the money that they're paying Robert Woods is absurd. Bobby Slow, talking to someone who's work with him. He's a great kid,

younger guys, remember his dad, his coach. But this is a big step up for him. This is like a really big step up. Yeah. Well, always worth noting the contract.

That's a factor, no doubt. Back to Pierce, though. I just think everything's better, better quarterback situation. they used to pick on Scruggs here to upgrade the old line, better receiving core, better coaching staff.

So, you know, I'm still more than fine with Pierce. But some of you guys seem to, Graham, Joe, maybe you seem to be a little bit worried about Singletary disrupting things. I still think there's room for 17, 18 touches the game for Pierce with Singletary here. I'm taking Pierce the, sorry, Graham. Yeah, no, go ahead. I'm taking Pierce pretty much the exact same place I was taking them last year. fourth round. I have them, I have them R.B. 20. I think you can argue that's a little low. I have them right behind Joe Mixon right now. I have them behind Kenneth Walker and Dobbins. I might move

Walker down, depending on how vibes go. But I think I'm taking in the exact same spot. And last year, I thought he paid off his ADP and kind of was, and did that. He wasn't, he wasn't like a league winner. He just, he was a good roster filler at his spot. where he was getting drafted. Yeah, no doubt. Graham? I was just going to say, Pierce was one of my guys last year. I think Brett and I were like the only people in the world maybe who had him at RB3 after Ken Walker and Bruce Hall.

Yeah, like you said, Pierce is up and down. We've got the 220 carries last year. Obviously, you know, my biggest thing, John, I think I said this to you a couple weeks ago, is like Devin Singletary is a replacement level running back, but he is much better than Rex Burkhe. And he will find a way to get on the field. I think that's my biggest thing with Pierce this year is like, you look back through once he got the full-time role last year, and he was a borderline bell cow, 78, 75% of the snaps.

I think this year you could maybe touch that back a little bit, like 60, 35, and that's just enough to be like, okay, Pierce goes from being like a rock solid RB2 to like maybe he's a little more up and down. I think, Brett, real quick, we'll end with you. I feel like Singletar will get two to three carriers a game, or series a game, to keep Pierce, not, overexposed them. I don't know about the passing down work. Maybe they split that up here, but do you have any thoughts on Singletary potentially disrupting Damien Pierce?

That's what I'm most worried about, John, is the passing down stuff. Pierce looks like a guy who can do it for sure, but Singletary has played a really pass heavy offense and we're a smaller guy. He's decent pass protection. He can catch some ball. So I do worry that he's going to, you know, take snaps and touches away from Pierce and that part of the game. But other than that he doesn't hold a candle to Pierce's ability in the run game so yeah yeah yeah and we could argue too i mean a good point taken about singletary coming from a past happy offense but i would also argue it's not that wasn't that great and in that and as a receiver in that offense here let's move on to the indie cults here the afc town hall at fantasy points dot com Shane sykin taking over

anthony richardson we already know that he's well in the mix to play i mean there's not a ton here to go over, honestly. We were talking at them earlier, and you asked me the question, do they have enough to support Richardson? And, you know, they're a little thin, depth-wise. And I do think Pierce and Pittman are a little redundant, maybe, but Pierce can run a little bit better, I guess.

But between Josh Downs, Michael Pittman, Alec Pierce, that is not bad at all. The answer is, I believe they have enough to support. the rookie Anthony Richardson. Your thoughts, Mr. Adam Kaplan, first and foremost. Will we get a tight end that we can actually use? I mean, Jolani Woods would be the sexy one here. Yeah.

Moe Alley Cox is their wise. So he's the guy they've had for many years. They like him in that position. And Woods will be the move guy. There's enough there. The only thing, getting back to Richardson, that's obviously the major story with this football team, is when will he be ready?

Remember, he only started one year. this front office, their jobs are on the line here. They've got to get this one right. They're not going to rush them. And as I understand it, one of the big reasons why Mitch who's signed with the cults is he, not that he would know they were going to draft Richardson, but his intel would tell him that he might have a chance to get some starts in, and that's probably pretty accurate. Yeah, yeah.

Now, how many, no one has any idea, they won't know whether Richardson will be ready until probably mid-August. Now, if he, if he's got the right attitude and he, and he, He meshes well with his staff and Jim Bob Cooter and Shane Steichen work with Jalen Hurts in Philly, particularly Stuyken. They're going to run a similar philosophy. They'll come out throwing early. That's what Shane said on the record.

And he got that from Philly. That's the way you win. And I expect this to be an aggressive passing game. It may not show that with the talent there, but Stuyken's a super aggressive playfaller. Like that's coming from the Eagles. That's one thing they really liked about him. They didn't know that because he wasn't as aggressive with the choice. But it does help because the Eagles leaving coming off throwing.

I expect it to happen. And Taylor will get its touches, but mostly in the second hand. I don't know who he's going to be aggressively throwing to. I mean, you don't have AJ Brown, Devonthe. He's a lot of it open. That's what you do. You scheme it open. That's what Stike it and Chubbop Kudor will do.

A little weird, Brett, thinking we're likely opening the season with Richardson. Maybe not week one or two, but, you know, We're going to get them in there probably in September. And yet we're going to throw to throw early to grab a lead. I mean, that would be a little weird with Richardson, right? I mean, you would think, you know, put the training wheels on and run the ball with Jonathan Taylor. But what are your thoughts here on the landing spot and the immediate impact for Richardson and Indy? I mean, Richardson landing was Stuyken is a matchmate in heaven, considering what he did with Jalen Hertz.

I think throwing early is fine with Richardson because of the way Stuyler. and we'll do it. He's not just going to drop him back on a seven-step drop and sit him back out there, you know, having to read, you know, multiple progressions and defensive coverages. He's not going to do that. It's going to be, you know, RPO, read option heavy, play action heavy, where, you know,

you're putting that second level defenders in conflict constantly. And I like the receiving core. I was a huge Alec Pierce guy coming out last year. He was my wide receiver five or six, don't remember, had a fringe first round grade on him. They took him in the second. I liked him too. I remember we talked about that.

Yeah, yeah. And I wasn't a big downs guy this year, but when you look at what Pierce and Pittman bring to the table, I mean, that's a perfect fit for downs because he really is probably only going to be able to play in the slot in the NFL. And two towers on the outside. So those guys weren't really going to move to the slot anyways. So downsliding it.

And then I say McKenzie, they brought him from Buffalo. I wonder if he holds off downs at all in the slot, at least early in the season. But either way, I like the, I like for a rookie quarterback to fall into this landing spot, it's a better situation than a lot of,

a rickies have had over the last few. So I will say that. I like the way Stuyken's going to call plays. And I think that pass first mentality is going to be fine for Richardson, considering how he's going to design those plays. Joe, Graham, and anyone have any interest in Jelani Woods? I mean, normally this guy fits a profile of, oh, okay, second year guy. Just took him in my dynasty rookie draft where he was a free agent at the FFPC,

which is tight end premium. He's now my fourth tight end. And yeah, he fit. I actually said during December of last year that I was going to have Chigaconquo and Jalani Woods on a ton of of best ball teams in 2023. It seems like everybody was with me on a Conquo and nobody was with me on Jalani Woods. But this is a talented kid. And he is just free in drafts.

I would rather probably take him as a third tight end than take like a ninth wide receiver. That's a good third tight end for sure on underdog. even though, and I say that as a Will Mallory guy, but they didn't use a fifth, they used a fifth pick on them only. And Kyle and Grantson needs to go away. But moving on to the Jacksonville Jaguars and, you know, another kind of were good situation here

with not a lot of conflict or, you know, potential pitfalls and landmines, you know, with the office of line in decent, shape, Evan Ingram brought back, strange added as an interesting backup and long-term guy. The most intriguing situation. Well, there's too, obviously Calvin Ridley. But I'm going to go right to the backfield, Brett. Tank Bigsby, very cool name.

And to me, he does stand out as like, this guy could get early down opportunities right away. I do not feel good about ETN this year. But talk about Tank Biggsby here. Tank Biggsby is a three down back. I wrote my pro I know I'm just saying in my profile I wrote up on him if you're looking for a guy in this draft

that could be a bell cow that's not named Bijon Robinson Tank Bigsby is that guy Wow They draft them with a third round pick Doesn't seem like they like ETIN too much in the past game And I think maybe that's where Bigsby makes his impact first Is in the past Wow

Well they do like hasty They do like hasty I mean we'll see about that I guess Yeah I just when you put on the tape and watch Bigsby run routes He was criminally underused In college as a pass catcher and I think he, I think he's a legit mismatch guy, opportunity against linebackers in the past game. This isn't a guy you have to only, you know, use checkdowns and screen game to get him the ball.

Like he can actually go out there and win one-on-one against, you know, bigger safeties and linebackers. And something they obviously don't trust ETN to do. So I think that's where his impact comes first. And then, you know, depending on how ETN season unfolds, maybe he chips into the carries there as well. Well, talk about ETN while you're talking because, you know, I was very high, him. We were way ahead of the markets. And I actually kind of feel like I got a little lucky with it.

I mean, it was up and down. There were moments where like, oh, wow, okay. But I don't know. I mean, it just seemed to be disjointed. It just didn't seem to be a normal kind of breakout year. I'm still shocked that he only caught 35 balls. But what were your thoughts on ETM?

Yeah, when he was coming out, I loved him as a prospect. You know, his, from analytically speaking, he was a good receiver and a good runner, very explosive runner, but when you actually go watch his tape, his last year at Clemson, he wasn't actually a good receiver.

They basically brought him back. Dabbo brought him back just to throw him the ball just so he could put that on his resume, but he was catching swing passes and checkdowns and screens. He wasn't out there running routes. It's evident when you watch him in the NFL, that that's just not something he's very good at. Yeah.

He's got decent hands. He's fine, and he's an explosive player. So ideally, you get him the ball in space. He should be productive. it just hasn't really happened in the past game for him. As a runner, though, he had a little bit of the Kenneth Walker syndrome last year where it was like boom or bust. It's like either he's ripping off a 50-yard or he's getting tackled for minus five.

It just never really felt consistent. I think that's why he disappeared in some games just because they couldn't get it going sometimes and eventually you just have to go away from it. So I think that probably disappointed them. This regime did not pick him either. I think that's worth noting. I'm not sure Adam can tell us more about how they feel about him. but it seems like that they're kind of just more milk toast with him than the obviously urban

Meyer was when he picked them. Yeah, I kind of disagree. I kind of disagree. I think ETIN was awesome last year. And I think he fits exactly what they want to do in their run game. I think this is a past first team. I think especially with Ridley added now, Ridley is a massive upgrade on Marvin Jones.

They're going to be a past first team. I think ETN is basically like the change up as the runner. And he has got a lot of juice, man. The juice was fully back last year, two full years removed. off the foot injury. I think he's still like a perfect fit for what Peterson does. You go back and watch some of their run game scheme last year. I mean,

Peterson did such a freaking phenomenal job at running the ball against light boxes. Like they would spread out and then run the ball against light boxes. They're going to continue to do that. I think ETN is going to be a really solid runner. But Brett, your points on the passing game work for fantasy. Like that's, that's the big thing. It's like he's never going to be anything close to what. people thought he could be coming out of college where he's coming out here and running Texas

routes and shake in defenders. Like, that's just not him. But he is a fantastic fit in this run game. And, I mean, I keep going back to midseason when Lawrence was starting to pick up. There was a couple of games in there, guys, where ETN was getting 24, you know, 25 carries to salt games away. I don't think they want him doing that again. I think that's why they picked Pink Bigsby.

They didn't have a good number two. I still think ETN's a walk for like seven. 17, 18, 19 carries a game. And you just live with the fact that the passing down work is probably never going to be what we wanted to be. But all of that being said, like, he's still the lead back on one of the best offenses for fantasy in the league. Like, I was still lying.

You take him at RB12, that early? I have him ranked right there. I have him ranked right ahead of Breeze Hall coming off the knee injury. You could sell me on Bruce over ETM for sure. If you can tell me Bruce is healthy. It's May 17th. Yeah, for like this season, for fantasy, I think E-TN is priced right at his ceiling at RB12 in like that third round pocket. Right.

So might end up being a little overvalued here. Yeah. I'm just saying as a player and is like the way he fits in this offense, I still think he's, he's the perfect back for this offense. Well, it's a good thought to add some sort of, you know, contrarian angle on things because, you know, we don't want to be stuck in the group think. you know, like a lot of people got stuck in group think last year that we all did on like Miles Sanders and some of these other contract year guys who did a lot better than expected. Well, moving on here. Well, anything else on Jacksonville, you know, I think Trevor Lawrence is this year's Joe Burrow in that like, let's not overthink it.

This is a complete slam dunk, you know, like a lot of. of volume, a lot of, you know, weapons, you know, and the running, you know. But real quick, when you look at Lawrence, like, I don't think we're getting any better in the running department, but that was pretty good at five rushing touchdowns. But like his YPA can go up. I mean, there's room to grow there. And his touchdown percentage is not that great. Graham. So you're Mr. Jaguar and Mr. Lawrence. So I'm thinking higher YPA with Ridley and, you know, some more touchdowns. All of a sudden, Trevor Lawrence is now like a juggernaut for fantasy. Yeah, my biggest thing after Lawrence's rookie years, like, I always said, if you go back and

watch the end of his rookie season, like he was, he was getting there, right? My question was like, one, what were these receivers going to look like? Could Christian Kirk take a big step? Could Zay Jones take a big step? And the answer was not only yes, it was like resoundingly yes, and Lawrence also made them better. So here's my question. question is like, how good does this office become now with Calvin Ridley? They have, they have an actual boundary receiver who can win inside, outside. I think Zays are really good underrated deep threat. And Christian Kirk can do a little bit everything. It'll, it'll kick him back naturally into the slot role. He was in the slot all the last year anyway, but he's going to be there strictly

full time this year. My thing is, John, is like every single year, we've got four or five teams that have not just like two top 30 fantasy receivers from the same team, but two top. top 24 guys. You know, last year, it was the Bengals, the dolphins, the Eagles did it. This year, I think it'll be Ridley and Kirk. I think these guys are two top 24 or fantasy receivers on a top five pass heavy offense with the quarterback and Trevor Lawrence, who, like you said, the touchdown rate, the YPA could all come up this year. Oh, by the way, the Jags defense still sticks too. They're going to give up a ton of points. I think this is just a, it's like, you know, it's a fantasy carnival team. I always try to find one fantasy carnival team last year.

the lions were that team. I wanted to put all the players from that team. Just because their defense was going to be so bad, we love their offensive skill guys. And I think the Jags are kind of that team this year. Let's move on and hit up the Titans who might have the worst wide receiver core in the history of organized football. But we do have our guy Chiggy Akonkwo. Red, I know you were not a trail on Burke's guy last year. Neither was I. But I kind of like them this year. I know the early, early vibes are good. You know, he's in a

much better place than he was last year at this time. Obviously, they need them. You know, Tim Kelly's okay. You know, decent proven track record. And look, you need production. You need a playmaker. And Berks is a big physical guy who's got talent

here. Are you considering trailing Berks this year at Wives here like 40, which is decent. Yeah, for fantasy. I love Berks this year. They don't have really any other options. So what are they going to do? You know, the scheme there is still decent. You know, they still run that heavy play action scheme and, you know, Burks can get loose on some crossing routes. And I think you saw that last year at times. He catches a drag route and he'll run 30 yards for a touchdown. So I like the scheme for Berks especially. I think it's going to hide some of his deficiencies. Yeah, I'm totally

in on Burks and as far as fantasy goes this year. I still don't. like him too much as a player but great situation for him. Underrated guy though, Kyle Phillips, my dude loved him. I loved him last year too, actually. You see a like it, right? The stock guy. Yep. I think he's, you know, he's got some upside.

He's probably not getting drafted anywhere. But, you know, I think he's a guy who could produce a little bit for them and they desperately need someone to establish themselves as a number two. So he's pretty strong, right? Phillips for, you know, for small frame slot guy. I think he's, you know, because that's what I always look at, like, you know, like, are you strong enough to, you know, break arm tackles and stuff like that, right? Yeah, for sure.

And he played on the outside a little bit at UCLA too and was fine getting off press. So for a guy without a ton of vertical juice either, that's pretty impressive. Chigia Conquo, we're basically all in. Like, back to you, Brett, what did you think of the usage of Chigia Conquo? Well, I mean, the dude was, you know, getting a lot of love and a lot of, you know, target share love, if you will. But, you know, a little bit of, you know, like a checkdown guy. But then, you know, he's kind of all over the map last year. But what do you think?

And what do you think about the prospects this year? Yeah. So he has a lot of John Smith to him, obviously. They liked him in that role. The thing that's different between the two is Chig can actually run routes. He was a receiver at Maryland before they moved in the tight end. even when he was even when they moved in the tight end he still played more of an f-type tight end where he's moving around the formations and he's out there running route so i i love chig i'm all in on him and just about every dynasty league i have i have chigin he's my guy he is one of my guys so you must have liked the projection we did uh where we have him well over the markets here at tid-end nine thank you i love it yeah all right um adam uh are we going a little overboard on chiggy are because i want to get chiggy with it he's he's He's a smaller guy.

You know, that's the thing that, you know, he's more of a slock tight end. And he's just, he's just got to build his body up. But he is super explosive with a ball in his hands. I don't know if I'm talking to the Titans last season, they were trying to figure out a way to get him freed up. Because, as we all know, the receiver court is the worst in the national football league other than Baltimore. And they haven't really addressed it. Shockingly, like they didn't do anything. They drafted one guy.

Yeah. And Burks just have a full off season now. He's healthy. was hurt last season. They brought Chris Moore in, who did a decent job when asked to do it, I'll play special teams,

but Shick could have a really good year. I could see 50 or 60 catches now that Tanna Hill is healthy. And one thing you're going to see, I don't know how they're going to do this because is Henry still on the team, but Brayble, the word I got behind the scenes, if Brayble wants to be more forward-thinking with the offense,

he can't go away from Henry. There's nothing. He's still in the team, so there's nothing you can do about it. But he wants to, I would expect to pass the time, I know it looks like and how could they do this, but I expect the past attempts to go up a little bit. Maybe get a little Tadje Spears involved as well, like maybe a little bit more than we saw from Dantrell Hilliard over the last couple of years.

A little change up kind of a thing or? But no, but I'm talking to testing football. I'm talking to Tazje can catch it. Yeah, but I'm talking to the receipt. By formation variation. Kellys have actually a pretty good OC and that probably got to work with him. Brable's pretty close with him. We brought him over from the Texas with him.

So that, that, I just wish they had better talent to throw to. That's the problem. They just don't have the group. But I'm going to say for Dynasty League people, 24 should be his breakout season of Conco. I really, and hopefully Will Levis has got himself together. That's another issue. Yeah. I'm with Adam too.

I mean, I was always a little impressed with Tim Kelly and the work he did with Houston, that offense and with Deshaun Watson, especially in 2020. I think they're going to have to throw more too, John, just because they're going to stink. I mean, their defense is really, really bad. That's true. Yeah, defense is really strong. AMC South, obviously, is the weak Lincoln AFC, but, like, yeah, their defense is going to stink. I'm in on Burke's not in a very similar way as Brett.

Like, maybe he's not the best player of all time, but like, who the hell out? I mean, he's going to walk into 110 targets this year. Exactly. And the thing to keep in mind with Traylon last year, He really struggled with injuries. He had a really unlucky turf toe injury. As we know, with receivers, you know, that could be super painful. Then he had a concussion midseason when it seemed like he was finally starting to break out a little bit.

So really unlucky rookie season for him. And, you know, maybe we're not in on the talent, but like there's no one else here. Over in the AFC West, moving on here, the Fantasy Points Town Hall, Denver Broncos. Adam, you know, how good of a sign is it for Javante that they only sign Samage Piron of note? And here we are in mid-May. Sean Payton is talking about how Javante may actually avoid P-U-P. I mean, these are good signs. Oh, definitely a positive sign.

But again, it was a multi-leg of an injury similar to Dobbin. So I'm most skeptical with this injury than maybe Sean is in terms of hit for what the purpose of this discussion. I'm not saying he won't be ready in September, but for him to be even close to the normal, it's just not realistic with his type of injury. He's a guy I'll be avoiding, to be honest, within redrafts. Yeah.

In the second year from it, just with Dobbins, I'll want him. But this is a year, no matter what they say, I just know that I have a good thing. And, John, keep in mind with the PUP, the new rules allow teams to basically keep guys off the PUP list so they can be engaged in practice in August and stuff. So anytime we have.

your coaches say, oh, he's going to avoid the PUP list in August coming off a major injury. Like, that's major grain of salt because they usually do that just to keep players engaged. Yeah, because once you understand, once training camp starts, you can't go in PUP. Exactly. Start a training camp. So, yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, as we just developed this Denver thing, if Sean Payton could get Russell to be just a little bit above average, look at this past target group, Sutton, Patrick, Judy, Callow,

Mark West Palow, you could say what you want. Sean Payton wanted him, I'm called it the worst way. Oh, wow, yeah, that's right. Yeah, like three or four opportunities, and he chose Denver. Marvin Mims is one of my favorite receivers for the draft. Hamler, I know he's been a train wreck. He can run if he's healthy. And Dolson is-

Do you think Cortland Sutton is on this roster all year? Well, Peyton, I mean, now people could say what they want about Sean Peyton sometimes because he said stuff. He swore that they weren't going to trade them. Now, trade dayline, if they're out of it, a different story. But if Russell Wilson could just play a little bit above average,

this pants of game could be something else. Brett, I was not in on Russ last year at all. I did call him a declining player, but I kind of am in this year with Payton back here. And the cost dropping dramatically. I just like he's a one read quarterback, right? One and a half.

I don't know. And Sean Payton will get those guys open. You know what I mean? like right? I mean, am I, is that overly simplistic? I mean, if there's anybody that can fix Wilson, it might be Sean Peyton just because, you know, how on schedule he gets his quarterbacks to play. So, I mean, that's, that's a future of us. I don't know, though. I mean, there's so much I don't like about Russell from an on the field standpoint. And then you

consider the fact that he's like creepy youth pastor vibes. I just, I don't know. You know, no, no, no. I mean, look, I'm with you. I haven't been feeling good for a couple years about Ross. He's a weird dude to handicap. There's absolutely no doubt about it. But, you know, he will run a little bit. You know, he was pretty good down the stretch. It is a very good receiving core with a lot of, you know, weapons here.

Adam, you had something to say about Dulcich earlier in a... No, he's just, if you add him as a slot tight at him, and there's a super duper deep test target group overall, it's, can they just get Wilson to be more accurate? Right. I'm not expecting anything great, by the way. Well, but his misthrow rate, he had two problems last year. Inaccuracy and not seeing it when guys were open, as I was told,

when people were degraded his tape, that's really bad. When you're not making throws, you normally would make because you didn't see it. That's a term when you don't see, when guys get open and you just, you freeze and you stare down to the past target. That's really bad. Yeah. And drives coach is crazy. They call the play. I'll leave it at that.

plays there. Yep. And your guy didn't pull the trigger here. John, real quick, the only thing I really want to add on this passing game is Jerry Judy last year when healthy was quietly awesome. Like not just from like an advanced metric standpoint.

Like yards per route, Ron, you look at any split man versus man coverage for zone coverage. Really, outside. Yeah, you look at the, yeah,

you look at that too. Like look at the bulk production. So I went back and looked. So if you discount the two games that he got hurt, he hurt his ribs and he had an ankle injury. If you just throw away those two games, he only played like 10 snaps on both. Throw away those two games. He averaged 15 and a half fantasy points per game.

That would have made him wide receiver 14 over Jalen Waddle. If Judy can't pop this year with Sean Cate, like it's not going to happen. Yep, I'm with you. He was their number one receiver last year. And again, you look at games where Judy and Sutton were both held Judy had more targets. I mean, if this isn't the year, it's got to be now. And Judy, Judy's real quick, John, Judy's like one of the only receivers in that fourth round range on underdog that I'm really in.

I just think the ceiling is right there with them. We've seen it in so many small spurts. If we can fingers cross, Russ takes like a very, very small step and Judy stays healthy. You don't, I mean, you don't have to look very far for a, you know, very strong wide receiver two season out of Judy. Oh yeah, I'm all in. I've always been a Judy apologist. I'm going to do an all, it's now or never team where like here's a all-star team of dudes like this is it. Like J.K. Dobbins, RB1, Camakers, RB2, Jerry Judy, wide receiver one, you know, guys like that.

Anybody not into Judy this year over here? I assume we're all sharing her brain on. I'm fine with it. metrics, like Graham said, the underlying metrics are good. I also have serious questions about whether or not Cortland Sutton's actually good. Oh, yeah. I've never looked at. I mean, Cortland Sutton's had one good year. I know he's had the injury, but he had one good year and five NFL seasons. Yep, yep. Yeah, that was before the injury. And then you look at, you know, one trick pony, one trick pony. Yeah. You look at the target numbers last year. I mean,

Judy was clearly the one, especially once he came back from that ankle injury, you know, last six, seven games of the year. The problem was, how much do we actually believe? that Sean Payton can get Russell Wilson back to playing decent football because he wasn't even close to decent last year. And that's a big concern for me. I'm much more optimistic than if they brought Hackett back. But still, I think that's a viable question. And it leads me to one to one of my points. The guy who's going to be my most drafted Bronco this year is Somaget Pry. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think at the very minimum is going to be extremely relevant in September. I'm calling him September Somaget. And if he plays well, you might get a low-end Belcal back for

eight to ten weeks, and you're getting him in the ninth round of fantasy drafts. Yep. If you need four yards, it gets you at 3.9. You know, I mean, that's, you know, a good receiver, though. He pass protects, and they're not going to have Giovante on the field in those situations. I know, and John, I said this to you last week when we were talking projections. Okay, Javante's not ready. Somaget's and a replacement level runner at best, they could throw the ball here 40 times. And like, look,

Russ might be washed, but like the volume here could be really, really sick for this offense. And that's another reason why I am buying in on Judy. And I'm buying it a little bit on Sutton 2 in the ninth round. Like maybe he has a one-trick pony. Maybe he is, you know, a little, maybe he's lost a step. But, I mean, volume-wise.

I mean, this offense could be in the top five that Pat and pass attempts by your zone. Let's head on over to Kansas City here. The AFC Town Hall continues here at Fantasy Points.com with me, John Hanson, Adam Kaplan, Joe Dolan, Graham Barfield, and Brett Whitefield.

Casey Chiefs take our guy, Brett Rishi Rice. As soon as a pick was made, I thought goodbye MVS. Though I'm just not sure Rice is going to step right into this offense and do well. Rookies almost never do. but your thoughts on Rishi Rice here in KC, it's a pretty intriguing trio.

I mean, you could literally look at the next five years and say, okay, it's Rice, Tony, and Skymore in the slot. There's your top three. Yeah, my only issue with that, John, is I think Rishie Rice is going to be in the slot for them. Right. You said that. Yeah. Wow. Some of his best tape at SMU is him playing in the slot there. When you look at this receiver core,

the only thing they lost from it was Juju who was made in that roll down. Rashid just is a natural fit to replace him. One of the things, you know, Mahomes was clearly frustrated about last year. Going back to that playoff game is the lack of precision and discipline

that Tony and Sky Moore had in their route running. There was that one game where they would have two healthy receivers and they just literally stopped throwing the ball the receivers because it wasn't there. Risholries is a very disciplined route runner. I know he's coming from an SMU offense that didn't have an elaborate route. tree but when you you know when you look at the routes he was asked to run he ran them all very

efficiently there's no wasted movement there everything he did was on time and on schedule um i think rice kind of gets them on track i wouldn't be shocked if he starts day one for them in the slot um and it doesn't mean he's limited to slot only duties either john i think rishie can obviously play on the outside as well he's got a little juice to him he was a productive downfield threat at smu as well so um well i mean if you're right about this this does not bode well for scy now Sky did line up outside too. And he could do that. John,

they believe they're in a changeable just so you know, they think Tony and Skymark could be moved. So I wouldn't worry too much about it. What about Rishi Rice, though? Well, he's going to play inside. I would agree with that. And by the way, MVS is the reason why they brought him back

is they just didn't have any size of receiver. Yeah. It's a lot of money they're paying him. It's a little bit too rich for me. And he's, from what I heard, he is kind of what they thought he would be, a big, deep threat, a big target.

get from a home. They just need to get in the ball a little bit more. But as we know, he's never really commanded the ball. But they're paying him a lot of money. In fact, he is going to make this season. It's just almost hard to believe that they brought him back with us. Well, they're going to continue to throw it a lot because look at the running back. He's going to make $9 million this season. How many carries for Isaiah Pacheco to open the season? A couple surgeries. You know, a little worried about that. But anyway. Yeah. How many carries, though? I mean, do we pick off right where we left off with Pacheco, you know, down the stretch,

kind of getting the ball. Okay? I don't know. This is a sound thing. You know, I was not looking. You're making faces. I'm like, hello? Is this thing on? Okay. Well, they don't have much. Graham, Jerich McKinnon, brought back

Clyde Edwards Allaire. I don't know. I still don't know what the hell happened, but. Injuries. Yeah. Well, the injury, before the injury, though, he he had been he fell out of feeling what's that right lack of talent yeah i know bret you've always been lower on him um yeah look i mean i i was a fan of his game coming out of college uh i thought at least as a as a pass passing down player he would pop i really do think it was the injuries though man he had a really really bad high ankle injury and then he had a hip injury his rookie year uh he had his

cold one of remove the dude has had a really really bad injury history he's a distant three here. Isaiah Pacheco over their last 13 games last year was averaging 14 carries per game. I think that's about right. I think you can give the 12, 13, 14, 15 carries a game. The thing with him is he's just never really going to be a big player in the passing down. I don't think especially with McKinnon back. Not a zero though, not a zero. Yeah, they'll throw him screens and just try. I mean, he's obviously like, he runs like the Tasmanian devil. Like sometimes he doesn't know where he's going, but like he's going to run through people for sure. Of course.

And you dial them up in the screen game. I like him a lot as an RB2. Get him in the seventh round. You start zero RB, maybe get a running back in the fourth, fifth round, come back, get a check on in the sixth, seventh. I think that makes a lot of sense. The question, Adam, I'll throw this to you here with this receiver.

This receiver core is like, okay, we know what NVS is. We think Rice plays in the slot. You know, elephant in the room here is the chiefs have been kind of signaling that Tony is going to be their number one receiver. And I mean, just from a target. It could be. They're just talking about his talent to be based on what I know. They just think he's so gifted. They just wanted to get him to the offseason because of everything that happened last year. He does things that no one else in the roster could do, including

our guy's guy more. But that's all that he can do. Whether it's jet sweep, playing on the slot, getting a match on a guy can't, he's got incredible movement. Like, he's a freak. He's a freak. Yeah, there you go. That's what I saw. He's a frontrunner. So that bodes well. Like, you're out in front when you're with Annie Reed and Patrick Mahoney. He's a front runner. You cannot trust Tony. You just not. You can't. You can't know what you can't. But his inability and unwillingness to play for injury is the problem with him. You don't know what he's thinking. The Giants could probably tell you they didn't know what who's sick.

Yeah, exactly. And they moved on from him, but no, he, look, if he plays like 14 games, it could be pretty special. Who knows? Yeah. I mean, I did a solo interview with him. It was fine, but, you know, a little all over the place. I did actually, ironically, compare him to Tyreek.

But, you know, so is Skymore screwed here? I mean, we'll say. He'll go that far. It's just to have a great off season. He does. He does. And they're going to be. They're heavy.

trust. John, they're heavy 11 anyway to begin what they're going to be. Yeah, yeah. A lot of production to go around. But the problem is, though, John, not that if he has to catch more than 40 balls, but Tony, if he plays, if he's healthy, he's going to play a lot. Shear Rice, he's a rookie off to work into it. If he knows what he's doing, he's going to play. Yeah. And you've got Kelsey, who's obviously going to be their bell cow with targets,

so maybe more only gets 50 receptions. Well, we'll say. Kelsey, obviously a huge factor. But if you're telling me that MVS, Cadaris, Tony, Skymore, Rishi Rice, Richard James, Justin Watson. If Scott, that you're telling me that Sky Moore can't rise above this, I retire. I don't see.

I'm retiring. Let me ask you. Skymore cannot rise above this group. Do you see 70 catches from them? That'd be a lot. No, no, but I see 65 if things go really well. Yeah, I got a little bit. Really well. I think that's my thing, John, with like,

okay, we can think Skymore is the best talent on this. Tony is the best talent. Yeah. We can think the world of Skymore's talent. I just think that, I mean, look at what the Chiefs are telling us. I mean, they want a full-on rotation. Maybe one of these guys pops is like a full-time guy. Yeah.

They want a rotation here. They've been telling us that, no doubt. I mean, they want, this will be maybe the last year they do it. Maybe they'll try to go out and get a much better receiver next year. But like, this system with Kelsey is the guy. And then you just mix in all these really fun, speedy players around him. Like it obviously clearly works. And I mean, it's better this year.

You know, you're at your age, Skymore's that you're older. It's better this year. I mean, there's no one you can really key on other than Kelsey. And no one seems to do that anyway, even if they wanted to. I know, Adam, you need to run real quick here. Are you good for another five minutes here to do Raiders? I can do the Raiders. I can do the next team then I got.

All right. What do you got here on the Raiders with Michael Mayer? They did not do much at running back. here. So is Zemir White still Yeah, maybe a guy of future? Zemir White should wind up. Now again, because McDaniels loves Brandon Bowdoin, I don't know how he's still there.

He's back. Mere Dula has his little role. But if Jacobs got hurt, I would look for Zemir White more or less to be the guy. Yeah. Other things, no, it's Mayor, Hooper, Howard, they're going to be heavy 12 personnel. There's some 11. Devante, not, not exactly. loving life in Vegas in year two.

Yeah. This is a mess. And I'm shocked that they did not adjust the offensive line. That's another thing. I don't understand. What the hell are they doing? Yeah. Well,

anybody excited about the Raiders? Yeah, that's my question with this team is like, okay, Jacobs is back. We feel good about him. But with Adams and Jimmy G. here, man,

like, I think the bottom could fall out pretty quick here for Devonte Adams. And like film wise, Adam was, Adams was awesome last season. But Jimmy G with Adams, man, like, Brett, what's your, what's your read here on these two? I'm super worried about it, man. Yeah, I mean, Adams is so good, you know, downfield, whether it's in a possession role on back shoulder stuff or just, you know, shoot, he crushed on post routes last year and deep crossers. Like he was separate. He looked 24.

He looked 24. He's 30. It's unbelievable. And Jimmy is just not going to push the ball to him downfield. And then when you mix in the fact that they have, what, like five, six guys that are all best suited to play in the slot. Exactly. And Myers, Keel and Cole, Hunter Renfro, DeAndre Carter, they drafted Trey Tucker. I don't even know how they come up with the starting three for 11 personnel.

Right. It's a strange group. And Adam's never getting in slot inside this year. Right. And he dominates from the slot too. And if you want high volume from Jimmy, you probably need to put him in the slot. So, yeah.

Oh, and they drafted Trey Tucker. I could not believe they took him in a third round. Yeah, Brett. What are the draft? Yeah, Brett, your points on the personnel are taken, well,

my actual bigger concern with Jimmy G is like, he's never been a guy to push the ball outside the numbers. Like, he's always a middle of the field guy. And he's pretty good at it. But, I mean, they're going to throw it to Jacoby Myers

and all these other slack guys. Like, John, You know, we're talking about group think and trying to get away from thinking like the masses. And I made this point projections a couple weeks ago. Like, I like C.D. Lamb more than Devante Adams. Like, we know they're going to scheme land into all those targets. We know he's going to play in the slot.

Dallas is still a top five offense. Like, we, I mean, I love Devons Adams. I mean, I have, I've had the dude on all of my dynasty teams for so long. But, like, I am extremely concerned about, one, the volume here. They could become extremely run heavy with Jim. G, I think that's what they should do if McDaniels is trying to save his job. And then, too, like, Jimmy G. and Adams are like polar opposite, Philwise. Yeah, yeah, I'm pulling back a little bit.

I'm taking like 35 yards away just on his comments yesterday about the direction of the organization. I mean, that's a bad vibe too. He's got to be pissed. I mean, he got traded, got the new contract to go play with his boy with Carr. And then, like, it took 13 games from McDaniels to be like, all right, I can't work with their car. Like, they're a rudderless ship right now. I feel like Devante was sold a bill of goods that it's a two-year window with his boy car and they cut it short. They didn't give him one, you know. Okay, well, we can move on for

Mr. C. You do have to leave here, Adam. Last team is the Chargers. Any closing thoughts on the Chargers? Me? Yeah. Yeah, before you leave. John, as I told you, this could be it for both receivers because their cap numbers are absurd. They have quarterback cap numbers in 23. So let me give you that real quick before I get out of here. Mike Williams' cap number due to a restructure. It's over 32 million. That's you can't. You would have to read. You basically would have to extend now. They could extend them next year to lower his salary in his cap number. He has a roster bonus to do in a fifth day of free agency. They'll have to make decision anyway. And then Keenan Allen, same problem due to the restructure.

this cap numbers over $34 million and $24, $18 million base salary, no guaranteed money. Both could be gone. Both could be gone. Wow. That's a lot to walk away from. But clearly, though, them drafting Quentin Johnston, who's an extra receiver, Mike's an extra receiver, Mike Williams is an extra receiver. They're kind of telling you that he's his replacement. That's what that would signal to me.

Yep, which begs the question, why did you re-sign Mike Williams? But it's neither here nor there. I guys I think Quentin Johnson right now an underdog is grossly overvalued what do you guys think I mean I also think Jackson Smith and Jigba's undervalue but Quentin Johnson is wide receiver 43 yeah I'm with you on that John

I think I think some of the rookie receivers have gotten bumped up a little bit too much on underdog just because everybody's chasing receiver receiver falls off pretty drastically around wide receiver 30 and underdog and I think that's a big part of the reason I can you can make the case for Quentin Johnston having a big year one role though i mean if

keenan or Mike Williams gets hurt you know keenan's going to be 31 he's coming off a bad hamstring injury mike Williams obviously dealt with injuries his entire career dating back to Clemson you know that would be the the bull case for Quentin Johnson i love him for dynasty because I'm with Adam 100 percent keenan and Mike Williams are probably both gone after this year and Quentin could just straight up replace Mike Williams if they do indeed cut him or trade him but yeah for this season I mean we've got to basically project an injury for Keenan or Mark Williams or Quentin Johnson to really, really pop this year. Yep, yep. Joe, you're on the clock with the fifth pick, fourth pick of your draft season long.

And it's Jamar Chase or Austin Echler. Go. Chase without even thinking. Wow. Okay. And if and if and if, and if, and if the top three are Jefferson Chase and McCaffrey, I'm probably taking either Cup or Kelsey there as well. I'll also take Tyree Kill. Okay. So you're going to play it safe a little bit and avoid the running back. Yeah, I just, I'm, and then I'll tell you, this might be a hot take for this room. If you forced me to take a running back in that situation, I'd take Bejan Robinson. Okay. All right. So that, that is, that's where I'm going with that.

I'm not down on Eckler. I still have him as a first rounder. It's just the trade demands, you know, the new offense, which, which I, like, I just, I don't know, maybe I'm just falling trap and looking for the next great thing, but I think Bijon Robinson is pretty clearly that. Yeah. Yeah. Ultimately, I think Echlor wants a new contract. Like that's what he wants an extension. He's not going to get traded. Their GM Tom Telesco has said, we're not trading him.

Yet his underdog ADP is like 11, 12 overall. I've got him at seven because Joe, I'm with you. I still want Cooper Copped, Perry Kill, Travis Kelsey, like the stud, receivers, pass catchers over him, but like you can't. I mean, I don't really think you can go. go too much further than like 11 or 12 with Ecclure right now, even if you are receiver-heavy and you do like Bejohn. My bigger concern with Echler is not even the trade concerns.

It's not any of that. It's Joe Lombardi's departure. Joe Lombardi was one of the worst offense coordinators in the NFL last year, but he was awesome for Austin Echler because their offense revolved around like, hey, Justin Herbert, if the first read isn't there, just check it down to Echler. And your first read will be six yards downfield. this year will be totally different, especially with Quentin Johnson. Ackler's still going to catch the ball.

He's still going to play a time. It's still going to be a bell cow. I think we've got to pull back a little bit from his reception total, and that's a part of the reason why I'm a little lower on him. But if you were to tell me that Austin Eckler is going to continue to get the 100 catches and all the touchdowns in the world, like he should be at worst the third pick in fantasy this year. But I do think we have to bake some regression from a coaching scheme.

Yeah, although I still think Kellan Moore is pretty good. Oh, no, Kellan's, I love the fit with Kellan more. I'm not taking any point. I'm just saying Echler really benefited from LaVarty's very, very stale scheme last year. Oh, yeah. The other day, Herbert was looking for receivers downfield to get open. And one, they really weren't doing a great job of scheming it. And two, like the default was just dump it off to Echler.

I do think that changes this year. Yeah. Yeah, ironically, I wasn't a Lombardi guy, but the one thing he did well was Echler. So now that's gone. Brett, any closing thoughts on these charger? charges going to charge. You know, they just kind of like the AFC Vikings, you know, just torturing the fan base year in and year out.

Yeah, I love what they did in the draft on offense specifically. I mean, Quentin Johnson, first round pick, I mean, this is exactly what they've been missing from this offense, playmaking ability. Mike Williams and Keenan Allen are probably the most vanilla receiving duo in the NFL. Now, they're good players. They're good at what they do. But if you really want to maximize Herbert and what he does,

you needed some juice, needed playmaking ability. Quentin Johnson gives you that all over the field, whether it's obviously the run after catch stuff piles, but he's also a really good downfield threat. The juice he provides this offense should be extraordinary. I think you talked about his ADP, underdog ADP. It obviously seems high,

but I wouldn't rule out him having a monster rookie year just because I think he opens up this offense. And Kellan Moore is going to use him the way he used CD-LAM. I'm pretty sure of that. my confrequented Johnson is actually a juiced up CD lamb. So this works pretty well. And then Darius Davis in the foreground. I know he's kind of a nothing for fantasy,

but for an NFL standpoint, a football standpoint, they lacked juice last year on offense. They get another guy with a ton of juice, 435 guy, insane punt and kick returner. You can scheme up touches. He can play that D'Andre Carter role for them. He can get open downfield from the slot. Right.

You know, if they did happen to move, on from Mike and Keenan next year. I mean, at least they're replacing them with guys that have some serious amount of juice. So. Yep. And then last thought on Echler, too, guys. You know, I know Lombardi's offense helped Echler get a ton of targets. I don't see Kellynne Moore's offense preventing that from necessarily happening, though.

Eckler's an elite checkdown option. He's going to go spread. He's going to go tempo. Those, you know, going tempo and spread, that that leads to a lot of checkdowns. And Echler might not have the same reception total he had, but he's going to get. more efficient because a lot of deep combinations are going to open up space in the middle and the short part of the field for him. So in a phone booth, he can make a guy miss really, really well.

When he's in congested areas, he struggles a little bit. He's going to have those phone booth opportunities a lot more this year. Yeah, I mean, look at the job that Kellyn Moore did get in Tony Pollard space last year. Yeah, absolutely. That's pretty damn good. Yeah, no, that's a totally fair point, right? And a great one. I guess my thing is like he caught 107 balls.

What was it 110 balls last year? We'll see that happening. Yeah, that's going to go back down to like 70, you know? I think we have 70. We should help offset some of that loss there. Well, that will wrap it up here. The AFC town hall at fantasy points.com. Special thanks to our guy, Trey, behind the glass.

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