Fantasy Football Daily - 2023 NFL Trade Deadline Review | Take Talk Podcast

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

Steve O'Rourke (@callmesteveo7) and Brett Whitefield (@BGWhitefield) go through every NFL trade deadline deal, review the deals, and incorporate some big-picture team-building theory into their discussion! SIGN UP FOR FANTASY POINTS WITH CODE GURRIFIC25 AT CHECKOUT FOR 25% OFF: ⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/⁠⁠ READ DR. EDWIN PORRAS' INJURY [PRO]NE GUIDE WITH CODE INJURYPRONE25: ⁠⁠https://injuryproneguide.myshopify.com/⁠⁠ Want to join a high-stakes dynasty league -- or any other high-stakes league? All new FFPC users get $25 off their first FFPC league of $35 or more, including dynasty orphans, using our affiliate link: ⁠⁠⁠https://myffpc.com/cms/public?affid=fantasypoints⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠FANTASY POINTS PROJECTIONS ARE LIVE⁠⁠⁠ FOR ALL STANDARD AND PREMIUM SUBSCRIBERS! Interested in playing Best Ball in 2023? There's no better place than Underdog Fantasy. ⁠⁠⁠Use our code FANTASYPTS⁠⁠⁠ to sign up for a new account at Underdog, and not only will you get a 100% deposit match up to $100... but you'll get a Fantasy Points Standard subscription for only $5! ⁠⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/underdog⁠⁠ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoints.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Whoa, welcome in to another episode of Take Talk. Steve, we're back. This is kind of a fun week. We're a day late, guys. So we're not going to go game by game this week reviewing the slate.

And that's fine because it was 16 games anyways. But it actually worked out perfectly, Steve, because now we get to talk trade deadline deals. Yes. Pretty awesome stuff. There's also some other news dropping on the scene late. What was that like 3 a.m. yesterday, 3 a.m. Wednesday morning? Yeah, it was 1 a.m. I know this because I was up and it was the last thing I saw before I went to bed.

I was literally looking at my phone. like the last tweet that I looked at was Josh McDaniels fired and I'm like all right well I think that's a good time for me to go to bed because Las Vegas is getting stuff done really late and I need to go to bed but it's like a warm blanket Exactly it was exactly what I

What you needed to hear because I mean You've been calling for it and saying that it was going to happen He was going to be the first one since the beginning of the season Yeah, thank you for victory laping for me, so I don't have to. I'm going to do it anyways, though, guys, in the staff pickums this year. He was my guy, my first coach fired. He sucks so bad, though, Steve. He outpaced what I thought.

I thought he'd make it to Thanksgiving week, and he'd be fired the following Monday after Thanksgiving. But hey, man, Mark Davis just had this epiphany. Like, you know what? I think we're done with this. I was talking to Chris about this yesterday. That culture that the New England people try to take. take everywhere. It's so toxic unless you have a Tom Brady in the building or unless you've won six Super Bowls. It just doesn't work. And I think Mark Davis probably looked in the mirror and just

said, you know, enough's enough. We just got embarrassed on Monday night football. We didn't do anything at the trade deadline to help this franchise. I think everyone's gone. And he just cleaned house. So I have to imagine that there was some moratorium on even thinking about doing anything at the trade deadline for them. Like they had to know this was coming down the line. And they're like, no, you guys don't get to, you guys don't get to play with the kids. You're stuck inside until we figure this out. And they fired him.

Yeah, I do wonder if, if maybe, like at Devante Adams, they've got no reason to carry that contract. Yeah. We're about to go through a rebuild stage, presumably, right? I mean, so. I mean, yeah. I wonder, and this is peer speculation, obviously, but I wonder if Mark Davis was like, you know, let's, let's get whatever we can back. for a guy like Devante. Obviously, I don't think trading Max Crosby was a good idea.

That was rumored for a while. That made no sense. He's still young. I know he gets paid a lot, but he's obviously a top five defensive player in the NFL. Or if you talk to Scott Barrett, he's the best defensive player in the NFL. Whatever the case is,

worth keeping around for sure, super valuable position. So I didn't understand that. But Devante did no reason not to trade him. Shoot, I would have killed Jimmy before he got injured. Well, I mean, he's healthy again. I would have traded him probably, if you could well unfortunately coming off the heels of the game that he had against detroit it's

it's probably tough to garner some interest in jimmy g right now but yeah it doesn't make a whole lot sense for them to hang on to devante adams i mean for what at this point jacoboby meyers is becoming one of the more targeted guys on the team compared to adams i mean that didn't happen monday night monday night they were trying to get the ball to adams it just wasn't working out for various different reasons. But, you know, the weeks prior to that, Jacobi Myers was right about on pace with Adams for targets through like from like week three to week eight.

And then now they're starting to get Michael Meyer more involved. So it's like you can feel them not necessarily phasing Devante Adams out of the offense because you're never going to phase Devante Adams out of the offense. But they're definitely incorporating more of the guys that you think would be around more long term than. Adams. Yeah. For sure.

And the other thing, too, is like, Adam's age. And I know it hasn't fallen off yet for him. He still looks great. He even looked great in the Detroit game at times. Yeah. Detroit's defense was smothering him early. And then a couple deep balls, though, he was, I mean, he killed something on one.

You know, like, yeah, wide open. The other one, Sutton kind of squatted on it because it was like a, you know, a blitz situation in the end zone where Jimmy had to get the rid of the ball very quick. quickly. So it was a throwaway. But like, I mean, Adam still looks really good. And at his age, though, you know it's going to fall off. So I don't know why you don't get what you can back. Yeah. And ultimately, I do wonder if that, if that played up hard. And, you know, that regime Ziegler getting fired as well as McDaniel. So. Right. Anyway, speaking of trade deadline, there was, it was a busy day. The NFL trade deadline's gotten to be

an exciting thing in time now. Yeah. Years past. We talked about this last year, obviously, but in the past, the trade deadline was boring. Teams are really stubborn. I know playbooks in the NFL are obviously a lot more complicated than NBA.

NBA, it's pretty easy to throw a superstar into your lineup and just have them go score 25 points a night. NFL doesn't really work like that. There's a lot of nuance to what you do, culture, fit, all that stuff is important. So in the past, we hadn't really seen a lot of trades. It's changing, though. GMs are

way more open-minded than they used to be. Yeah. Especially with positions like defensive end is probably the easiest position to plug a guy in. There's no scheme really they have to learn. It's literally C-ball, chase ball. Right. You know, obviously there's a couple calls they might have to know as far as like shifts go, but ultimately it's pretty easy.

And that's probably why we got a lot of defensive linemen dealt this year. Yeah. Let's jump in. Let's start with some of the smaller ones. The Vikings unwilling to mail it in on the season. And then they would go out and get Josh Dobbs from the Arizona Cardinals. Really light compensation here. The Cardinals actually didn't even get back what they gave up to trade for Josh Dobbs.

But they got a little something back, though, which is smart for them. Kyler Murray's coming back. The season for them is probably over. So why not get a little bit back there? What did you think of Josh Jobs going to the Vikings, Steve? I make sense if the Vikings think they can be competitive this year. I mean, he's a guy who so far this year, for all intents and purposes, like, has looked pretty solid. I mean, in Arizona, given the talent that he has around him, given the offensive line he has in front of him, he's helped keep Arizona competitive in nearly every game they've played in.

So why not get him on a different roster with better receivers, a little bit better offensive line, a little bit better defense, at least away where they're playing. and, you know, I guess make and see what you can get and see what you can get out of the season and see if you can make a push for a wild card because the NFC is so wide open. And there is a there is a chance you can sneak in as a wild card. And then, you know, at that point, it's who knows what happens is the playoffs, anything can happen. But it makes sense, you know, they obviously didn't give a give up a lot. But, you know, I don't think Minnesota has showed signs of wanting to mail it in at any point and have this become a rebuild. and I think that this further shows that they're just trying to get the most out of the roster that they have. Yeah, I think, you know, because Dobbs isn't a needle mover.

It's still a downgrade going from Cousness to Dobbs, obviously, probably a big time. Of course, yeah, yeah. And they were already, you know, kind of in a hole with the way they started the season. So I do wonder if it's maybe less them not willing to mail in the season and more just them protecting the rookie quarterback, Jaron Hall. Yeah, maybe. hey, we need to get another quarterback in here that can play. And it sounds like Paul is going to get the start this week, obviously with Dobbs just getting there.

But I do wonder if some of it has to do with that. It's just like we got to protect our team a little bit, got to try to maintain some level of competitiveness to develop players and yada, yada, yada, which would make sense. I think it's a good trade. The other one Minnesota did, this one was puzzling to me, Steve. I still need someone to explain this to me. They traded Ezra Cleveland to the Jaguars for a six-round pick. Yeah. Ezra Cleveland's low-key been a good guard in the NFL.

He's a solid starter. I don't know why. And the Vikings struggled so long trying to find decent offensive line play. And they still don't have a great offensive line, right? They have really good tackles. And then Ezra Cleveland was a good asset. The center guard combo there, other guard. The kid's names, you know, skipping me.

But he's from LSU drafted last year. I don't know why I can't remember the other guard. Anyways, that combo. It's really struggled. And just we've been talking for five years about how the Vikings need to build that offensive line. They finally get somewhere where they've got three plus starters, I would say two excellent starters at the tackle spots.

And then Cleveland, then they go dealing for a six-round pick. It just didn't make sense to me. Cleveland's also a guy with some positional versatility. He's big and long. He can play tackle on a pinch if you need him to. I just didn't understand it. He's been a good starter now for two years.

It just seemed like really light compensation. for a team that needs him. That's the thing that's surprising. Like they need him. Yeah. And I mean, so Ed Ingram, I think is the guy. He's been bad, by the way. Right.

And it's been the interior offensive line for them has kind of been somewhat rotating cast of guys. They've had, you know, Garrett-Bradbury's gone out with injury a couple times. And so, Ezra Cleveland was a really good, you know, player as well as a not, I mean, he wasn't a depth. piece but he you know he was able he like you said he had the versatility where you know who they when bradbury was injured i think they bumped down risner into center and then cleveland at guard was that what they did sounds right but you know either way like just having cleveland in there and the ability his ability to jump into different spots at a pinch and understand the assignment and you know help keep that offensive line going you know it for a six-round pick

what Jacksonville is able to pick up, again, another team that's kind of, they don't have as much security at their tackle spot as Minnesota, but they're a team that has been looking to protect Trevor Lawrence a little bit more. And this is a huge, this is a big pickup for a six rounder, a guy that, you know, does, I think ensure a little bit more of that offensive line and allow, will allow Trevor Lawrence to have a little bit more time to throw. Yeah. And one of the biggest, I would say, one of the most coveted traits on the, offensive line in the NFL is experience. I mean, Cleveland's, he played 1,200 snaps last year. Find me, the list of offensive linemen that played that many snaps last year is, is almost none, actually. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that he's got that level of experience, he started, what, six games this year so far, like, it's a dude with a lot of experience. So I was just surprised by this one. I think it's a great pickup for the Jaguars. I know we focused all our attention on Minnesota just now, but I think there's

a great trade for the Jags. Does it move the needle a ton? Probably not, but anytime you're investing into keeping your quarterback clean, I think it's a win. And I would imagine by the end of the year, Cleveland's a starter there, if not right away. Yeah. And like they were dealing with their own depth issues. You know, they had one of their backup guards going IR. And they had Walker Little who was starting to get some playing time and was playing at mixed reviews. And I think that as were Cleveland coming in, again, bolsters the offensive line, allows them to work on Walker Little a little bit more instead of having to throw them right into right into the game.

and have him get kind of eaten alive. I think that allows them to develop him a little bit more while also getting, you know, solid starter play from Ezra Cleveland. Agreed. All right, we're going to move on. The Packers were sellers. They mailed it in. Well, I shouldn't say they mailed it in.

They traded Russell Douglas, who literally just came back from injury, to the Buffalo Bills. I think this is a good trade for both teams. This is a really savvy trade for the bills who are decimated at corner right now. Yeah. Asul Douglas fits their scheme really, really nicely. He's a big, long corner with really good instincts and ball hawking skills. Not a guy that I really feel good about trusting in man coverage and getting in phase.

So I really like him in the scheme. And I think his best moments as a Packer were when they were playing zone. I really like, I can't say enough. I really like this pickup for the bills. I think this is going to help them a good bit. What do you think? Yeah, I agree. I think the bills had been shuff.

that corner spot opposite Benford. They've been pretty solid on Benford. They have Turan Johnson in the slot. It's been that other corner that they've been kind of dealing with injuries as well as just trying to peg the second starter. It's been kind of between Dame Jackson, Kyrie Elam. Kair Elam hasn't really shown what you've been hoping to see from a first round draft pick yet.

And so I think that getting Rasul Douglas, it does really bolster that secondary. and, you know, they've lost a cut. After losing Milano, Trey White, that defense has been susceptible to getting beat. And I think that Roussel Douglas ensures, you know, that passing defense a little bit more. And, you know, good on Green Bay to get a third rounder back. They gave up, you know, they gave up Douglas in the fourth and got a third rounder back. I think that that's about what you, the best case scenario for him. And so from both, like you said, from both sides, I think that this benefits both teams.

and clearly you can see that the Packers, like you said, not, I guess not clearly. They're not necessarily phoning it in, but you can tell they're shifting into the next phase of what this team looks like. Yeah. I know that, you know, McDermott made that zone coverage. He ran in Carolina when he's the decorinator was made famous. He also was on the staff in Philadelphia when Russell Douglas was drafted to the Eagles. interesting thing too here, Steve, a little note I want to throw out. It's kind of crazy how DBs hold their value.

Like, he was drafted, what, seven years ago with a third round pick and then he gets a third round pick back. Yeah. You don't see that a ton. You don't see that a ton. Like, especially with the next two guys we're going to talk about, they kind of lost value in a way. Some of that is because the pending contract doom.

But, man, I don't know. The Packers getting a three for Rasul Douglas just seemed like. like really good business for them. So I think it was a good trade by both teams. Probably the best corner, corner scheme fit the bills could have, you know, hoped for. And then, you know, they also get a five back with it too. So. Yeah. And like you said, he's definitely built to play in a zone scheme and the bills run zone defense on 79 or 78% of their defensive dropbacks. So he'll plug right in. And to the point of the staying power, it's of something, or like the holding value of some of these corners.

It just shows how important good corner play is when you can get it. And the NFL mindset in that regard, too, clearly. Yeah. Yeah, it just speaks to how valuable a corner that, you know, I mean, he's jumped around a couple times so he understands different schemes. But being able to play at a high level as well as understand multiple schemes is such a benefit to a player in their ability to retain. value and have staying power in the league.

Yep. All right. Let's keep moving here. We're going to do, let's go the Bears first. They make a trade for one of the Washington edge. I want to save the Washington talk for when we, after we talk about both of them. So the Bears trade with the Washington commanders and pick up Montez Sweat.

They give up a second round pick, which is likely to be 33 overall, 34 overall, something in that range. Yeah. They did it again. They did this with Claypool last year. That didn't work out. Obviously, they got bigger hopes for sweat.

This one was a little puzzling, Steve. I think Monteswe was a really good player. Want to make that clear. I think he could help a lot of teams at the trade deadline. The Bears, though, they're bad, really bad. Montes Sweat is 27 and facing contract, you know, contract time. I don't. Yeah.

He's going to cost him a lot of money. probably 25-ish a year, 25-million a year. I would go four, they're probably going to go four years, 100 million, something in that range, maybe a little less, maybe a little more. And they're going to be paying this guy a lot of money so that by the time they're actually good, he's done. He's going to be 30, 31 years old.

I don't know. Unless they have some miraculous turnaround, but this team is far away from competing. I don't, I don't know, man. I know they have cap space to spend. It's almost like they should have done the opposite and given up the third for Chase Young. I'm not sure what happened there, but I don't know.

What are your thoughts? I didn't understand this from any angle, really, because the immediate reports came out from both sides. You know, Montez Sweat was like, I'm going to see how this year plays out. There's rumors that an extension is getting worked on. There's rumors that an extension is not getting worked on. Overall, like you said, I just don't understand the long-term plan.

of this. I mean like you said, Montes Sweets, a good player. He, you know, the ends are kind of scheme-proof. You can let him do what they want. He's great in the run game. He gets decent pressure. He's been okay this year. He's kind of been in the mid-40s. He's definitely a little bit of a down

year, but he's been a, his track record suggests he's just a menace, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I'm, you know, who knows how much attitude and the culture in Washington has affected his drive to play. I don't know. But, again, I just don't understand why this, why you would want to bring him in.

And then, I mean, that's case scenario. If he walks, you get a third round comp pick. And that's assuming you don't spend in free agency. So I'm massively. They have no choice what to spend. Right. I'm massively interested to see where this goes and what the overall plan was with was with this. because I can't come up with it as I'm sitting here trying to figure it out. I just, it doesn't make sense to spend a second round pick when like you said, Chase Young went for a third, a second round that, you know, from it was close to it's as close to a first rounder as you're going to get.

That's not a first rounder. I just, and a guy that isn't under contract that you still have to resign. That's just a lot of capital to give up for something that's, It's not necessarily a guarantee. He could absolutely make the decision not to re-sign there because he's, again, he's a 27-year-old defensive end who plays well in both the run and the past, which isn't, you know, super common.

He's going to get a ton of attention in free agency. I don't know how the bears, unless they overpay, which they have the cap space to do if they wanted to, but I don't understand why Montez Sweat would choose to go back to the bears. I'm assuming. maybe I'm being too generous but I'm assuming they were granted the chance to have that conversation with him

before they made the trade it's usually how this thing right where the team will grant that right he's not a Chicago kid is he by chance I want to say he Tennessee Kentucky something like that I know he was a Michigan State recruited him

he came to Michigan State you know was a big time recruit there but it was a you know certified not a good dude in the locker room. Mark D'Antoin put up with some of the craziest most defuncts. He's from here. I thought so. Be it Mark D'Antonios put up with some just crazy personalities at Michigan State when he

was the head coach. Yeah, he did. Montes Sweat was one of the few guys. He kicked out. He didn't even kick out Glenn Winston, who, who, you know, was arrested like three, four times when he was at Michigan. But he kicked out Montez Sweat. So that tells you a lot about that.

Anyway, I mean, that was a long time ago. So obviously Montez has matured quite a bit. He's been out of the past five years. But point being is like I was thinking maybe there was a hometown connection there, but there's not that either. So yeah, like I said, I would assume they had to have had that conversation where they were, you know, granted the ability to talk to him real quick and just say, hey, you're interested in being a bear. Bears still carry a lot of like tradition and like a lot of kids grew up watching the bears. Yeah. So I don't know.

Yeah. Anyways, I, from the Bears standpoint, you know, I think this tells us a lot about how they see their team. I don't, it seems maybe like they're bringing the whole regime back, Getsi and GM and just rolling. Yeah, I mean, I don't think you get to make, I don't think you get to make this move unless you've been kind of assured that you're coming back the next year.

So I don't know. let's say they signed sweat, they re-signed Jalen Johnson. They have the linebacker duo. Yeah. But that's it. They're building. They got a pair of detackles they drafted that are playing pretty well. So I don't know, maybe they feel like closer than we feel like they are.

I don't know. Kyler Gordon is a solid nickel player who they drafted pretty recently. Jaquan Brisker is an enforcing safety, you know, that they play in the box pretty often. And their defense has played better in the last few weeks. After you're getting really ripped apart the first couple weeks of the season, they have come together a little bit and been a better performing unit. The past rush has really been the one spot that it hasn't. And so looking at it from a, you know, with tunnel vision, you know, under a microscope for just this year, it's a good acquisition. If you don't talk about what's going on in the future, I think this, he that Montez-Swed does add an element to this defense that they've been missing.

and there's a chance that this defense could be solid. I think like a middle of the league defense. You know, Jalen Johnson, like we said, Jalen Johnson is shown a lot of promise and stayed in town. Kyler Gordon's been well. Their entire secondary is healthy for, I think, like, the first time this year. It was just the defensive line. They had nobody that was really making a huge impact. And so they, you know, they went, took a shot to get an impact guy.

I don't know what they're, you know, they have obviously a ton of draft capital this year. So they can kind of do what they want because, Carolina's probably not getting much better. Right. But it's just the long-term aspect of this that I think is really the big question. Because short-term, like I said, it does make sense for this season. It's someone they desperately needed. I just don't see the plan long-term.

Right on. All right. Let's move on to the other Commander's Trade, which was sending the former number two of overall pick Chase Young to the San Francisco 49ers for a third round pick. Now, first question, Steve, did it surprise you that sweat went for more than young? Yes. I'm actually kind of by a lot. Yes.

That's going to be a third round comp pick. And sweat went for a top 35 pick. So you're looking at the top 35 compared to what would be in like the 80s of the 90s? It's probably a 60 spot difference there. So that's arguably. I mean, you could argue that's... Two rounds of value. I was stunned that Chase Young got less than what Montes Sway did.

And that was, like, not to belabor the point, but that was why I, you know, am a little bit disappointed what happened with the Bears is did you, like, were you the ones that went out with a second round pick and then they accepted and then you find out about this or, you know, how did that all go down? because I think that you got the older. Now, I think that Montes Sweat has more facets to his game that he's better in. I don't think he's necessarily a better player, but I think that he's a more all-around player than Chase Young.

That's probably, right now. I've got a resume too. Young's been hurt and a little inconsistent early in his career here. Right. And so maybe that played a factor in it. But, yeah, that really did surprise me that, you know, Washington was able to get a second and second almost first compared to a, third almost fourth for young that's fair um as far as a 49ers go steve i everyone's celebrating

this like they just traded for freaking patrick mahomes man i don't know i it's a good move like it's never bad to trade for a good pass rusher like so like of course not saying this is a bad move but does it move the needle at all i mean but just list the delinman they already have on the roster that play on the edge nick bosa eric armstead obviously armstead kicks inside a lot so he's both. I'm guessing this probably cemented him as an interior guy fully. Yeah. Randy Gregory,

Drake Jackson. They have another feeling Farrell. Feeling Farrell, yeah, that's so yeah, as Young a better pass rusher than Cleveland Farrell, yes. But man, like, what are they going to, you know, go 25%

snap share with all these guys? Like, it's kind of crazy. Drake Jackson's looked very good to me too. They just made the move for Randy Gregory two weeks ago. Yeah. I don't know what we're doing here. It's really weird too because Chase Young's not the best run defender in the world.

That's clearly the weakness the Washington command or the, sorry, the San Francisco 49ers have. It's like, and they did this with Javon Hargrave in the offseason too, where it's like, oh, we've got this big weakness defending the run. Let's get a detackle that literally doesn't defend the run.

Only pass, you know, Russia's passer. I don't know. It just seems like they're doing more of the same. And I don't really know that moves the needle that much. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Chase Young, with under Chris Kuresec develops into the best pass rusher in the league. I don't know. But I'm just, you know, face value.

I'm just not buying this as a move that does anything, you know, of significance for the 49ers. Yeah. And you hit the point that I was going to hit exactly is that the 49ers have been susceptible against the run game this year. And Chase Young doesn't add anything to that. If anything, now if you trot out a lineup of Armstead, Hargrave, Young, and Bosa, I mean, teams are going to run up the middle. Teams are just going to run if you, you know, if you line up, let's say, young and,

young and Hargrave on the same side, I mean, you run at that all day long. But I don't know. The 49ers have been this kind of team where it's just like, hey, the top, like, top tailons out there, let's go take a chance and just try to fit them in. That's kind of been their M.O. a little bit lately. I like with, you know, obviously they understand that they have a cheap quarterback. And so they have the ability to go make these moves. And, you know, again, Chase Young, he's on an expiring contract.

They don't have to keep him after this year. So if he doesn't have that grade of a year, if they don't see the needle move the way they want to see a move, they can, you know, pick up another compensatory pick because, you know, they haven't been huge spenders in free agency. So that shouldn't influence that too much. money to be yeah right so i it's a play it's a ceiling play i mean that's what this is it's a ceiling play to try and you know become that more ferocious on defense it's just you know did it help them in the areas that they need to we'll know but we'll see if you know if he adds an element to that

pass rush we're now bosa and young are getting into the backfield with under 2.2 seconds and disrupting plays every passing down, then I guess who cares if you can run the ball against them because you're not going to be able to do that all game. Yeah, I, so my analysis is strictly based on the idea of this is a team chasing a Super Bowl. How do we get better right now? If you were to sit down and say, well, the long-term plan is, you know, Eric Armstead's getting a little old. He's also expensive. We're going to let him walk or cut him.

I'm not sure what his contract situation actually is. But we're going to let him walk and hope Chase develops in maybe that. that he takes on that, you know, that placeholder and the salary cap for us. And we just move in the ball that way. Sure, that's great. Maybe it's a future, maybe it is a future move for them. It was inexpensive. If Chase completely flops this year, like you said, they'll get literally the same

pickback that they gave up to get him because he's going to go for decent money elsewhere. Right. So business sense, it was a smart move. Like I said, I'm never going to crap on a team for, you know, adding depth to pass rush. that's a very important position. So good on them. I just was confused, I guess, for team chasing a Super Bowl, it seemed like there had to been a move out there

that helps them more right now. An offensive lineman would have helped more right now. A cornerback would have helped more right now. Now, I can't claim I know any deals that were out there. I see Oswald Douglas get traded for a third. And maybe that probably helps them a lot more. I know Rasul, they're playing, 49ers are playing a lot of man this year.

Yeah. Steve Wilkes more than they have in the past. So maybe they didn't see Rasul as a fit necessarily. whatever. That's kind of where my head was at, though. It's funny because if you swapped the Chase Young and Montes Sweat, Montes Sweat to the 49ers, Chase Young to the Bears, I think I would have liked those deals much more.

100%. Bears get the one of the ceiling. 49ers get the good run defender guy who can really set the edge with Bosa or Armstead, depending on how you want to do that. Yeah. It's funny. other than like literally any other move like even if they went and did the azure cleveland move i think that that helps them yeah it's just funny that they went after the one guy where it's like yes he

obviously adds that juice to the pass rush and you have an amazing tandem but again i just don't you know the scheme the whole the overall scheme fit is questionable just because it doesn't like you said it doesn't bolster what they've been susceptible in this year yeah also this show is called Take Talk. I want to throw out like a little take that I saw that it's just, it's not even a take. It was a crazy backtrack. I saw

San Francisco's beatwriter. I won't say his name on the pod. He wrote a little article about the trades he'd like to see. And the trades he wouldn't like to see positions they don't need to add to. One of them was defensive end. And then as soon as they trade for Chase Young,

he writes this this shine piece, where he's shining it up. Like, oh, this is such an amazing deal. The 49ers really wanted to get some more help on the edge. Bro, just, that's not journalism. Do your job, man. Anyways.

I think that Minnesota game spooked him overall, though. I think that Minnesota's game plan in the way that they eliminated Nick Mosa, I think that's maybe what. How many teams are going to run into that have a tackle tandem of that caliber? The Eagles. The Eagles and the Lions. Those are two, those are the two teams.

seems that you're focused on, arguably. So I think, like, honestly, I think that's where this move is derived from, as they saw what happened in that game. And they were like, Nick Bosa got eliminated. We got completely shut down and thrown on. And so I think that's the mindset of this move. We'll see how it played out. Fair enough.

That's a good point. I didn't think about the Eagles, Lions aspect of that. So, all right. I just thought. of that. So that was right off the top of the dome of remembering the Minnesota game because Nick Bosa was completely shut out and they didn't have anyone else who had anything going for him. Right. Okay. The, well, we got to hit the commander's side of this, right? So the commanders stayed, they're two starting defensive ends. You look at the depth chart, who's behind those guys.

I can't even tell you the names right now because that's how bad it is. I don't know what they're thinking. I get trading one of them. Like, hey, on paper, we can't afford to keep both these guys. We're going to trade one, try to recoup some value. Montes Sweat obviously becomes the easy choice. He's 27. You're getting a top 35 pick for him. Cool.

Chase Young, though, I probably would have kept him if I'm them. I mean, they still have the fifth year option with him. Yeah, and my question to them, too, is why? What did you think was going to happen when you drafted a defensive lineman four years in a row? Right. Was it four years or three years in a row in one year they took two, I think. Then they take sweat and pain in the same year, maybe. Was it sweat and pain?

Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. So four first round picks on the D-line over a three or four-year span. What did you think was going to happen if you hit on those guys? Like you weren't prepared to deal with that? Like, that just is super weird to me. Really weird team building. Yeah.

I don't know what their plan going forward is. They haven't been terrible this year. They've had terrible games for a short. sure but sam howells shown some progress a little in the passing game a little bit um shoot he started what sunday's game like 20 for 21 or something passing yeah he looked i mean he looked they had a good game plan against the eagles on sunday very good game plan i'm not really sure what the commanders were we're doing there or how they didn't plan to have at least one of those guys in the roster um i know pain makes a lot of money i know john allen makes a lot of money yeah maybe

you try to trade john allen um maybe i'm bitter because i wanted the lines to trade for John Allen. But I don't know. See, I think that's the moves that would have made more sense to me is moving sweat and Ailan, keeping pain and young. Yeah. Because now they have Aylan and Pain in the middle. They have no one outside.

I'd give you a dollar. It's going to be a dollar. I guess anyone. It isn't going to be hard to run up the middle. Getting outside might be a little bit easier. But I just, what is Washington's game play? I mean, like, I don't understand what they're building toward or where the direction of any of this is. I agree. Was this a white flag on the season? Was that like, I don't even know where we stand still.

Like, I don't. Here's their starters on the edge right now. James Smith Williams legitimately don't know who that is. And Casey Two Hill. I know who that is. They also have F.A. Obata who was with the bills for a while. I know that as a rotation. guy. K.J. Henry was a rookie Andre Jones Jr. I mean, this is a guys, this is bad. They have nobody. Yeah.

And this is coming up on, you know, it's year one, but it's looking dicey for their first round pick from this year with Emmanuel Forbes. Oh, God. It's going to be dicey until that man drinks a protein shake. And so it just

often, I mean, they're still like their offense. They've got great weapons at receiver. They've got a okay offense. I mean, their offensive line has been brutal, but Sam Howell's been not helping them in any way, shape, or form. But I just, they're stuck in this weird purgatory of, I have no idea which direction they're trying to go toward. Are they trying to make a push to get better?

Are they trying to dial it back to go into a rebuild? I couldn't tell you from what their roster looks like right now. Sorry for the distraction. I just wanted to show the YouTube viewers this. You got it. That's sweet. Bumblehead. I didn't attend the game.

My father did, and his wife didn't want one of those, so he took two and gave me one. So gave me his wife's. So that'd be a nice little backdrop for the matchup point show with John. I like it Yeah Right on do you want to

Do you want to hit the Lions one And then we'll maybe talk about some week nine games Yeah And then there's yeah there's one other thing I want to touch on Just as an overall Oh overall all right thing So the Lions They go out and they get a wide receiver

Donovan People's Jones from the Cleveland Browns They gave up a conditional sixth I think it was right Yep 25 2020, yeah, down the road conditional sixth. So I like this move for the lines. We've been saying since week one, they need a receiver. Now, obviously, as time has passed, that the need was still there,

but it didn't seem like their biggest need. Right. I was kind of hoping they'd go get an edge rusher. It sounds like James Houston's going to be back early December. Yes. It would help the pass rush. So maybe that's why they opted not to go get a sweater, or young or whatever.

But evaluating this trade, I really like the Donovan People's Jones trade. We've talked about the need for an X. Josh Reynolds can play X, but he's good as a, you know, good as a, you know, Z or a flanker as well. They've got speed and JMO and K-LIF.

They've got the route running in the middle of the field on lockdown with Amon Ra and La Porta. This really was the last, I guess, skill set they didn't have. And especially with Marvin Jones going to retirement. I mean, this, or stepping away from football, I should say, this just made sense.

Donovan People's Jones is, you know, 6-4-220, really kind of athletic guy for that size. Not a burner necessarily, but he's not slow either. But he's, you know, great vertical leaping ability, all that stuff. Really productive vertical threat for the Browns previous to this season. Obviously, this season for whatever, well, I can tell you the reason. It's Philip Walker. they're not good quarterbacks. Right.

Plus the addition of Elijah Moore. He was just, he was playing. He ran over 200 routes this year, just not getting targeted. Yeah, he's been, he's been an all world track team guy this year. All, all, all, all, especially if you watch the, the types of routes he's running. Yeah. Nine ball, nine ball, pose, nine ball, double move, nine ball. It's like, dude is out there.

Like, he's definitely coming in with good conditioning, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. For the lions, with the JMO, like we're not sure what JMO is right now. He's on the struggle bus. He's got the yips right now. He can't catch anything. Couldn't catch a cold in Detroit right now.

I mean, this is, it's a little scary with Jamo. And I think DPJ helps offset some of that concern because he is a vertical threat. He's also a contested catch guy, red zone type player, which we saw Monday night. They struggle in the red zone. They don't have a guy that can throw a ball up to. I think, the Porter can. be that guy, but right now he's more of a catch and run type of tight end. So he's got to develop there.

Amon Ra's not, you know, he's good at what he does, but if they congest the middle of the field, Amon Ra is just not going to score a lot of touchdowns. So they needed, they needed this type of player for sure. And I think it's a really good fit for that offense. I expect him to probably play more than Jamo right out the gate for sure. Yeah, I would think so too. And it just helps them continue to stretch the field. adding this element of speed that he has compared to what Marvin Jones does not have is that

this opens up their offense a little bit more. Ben Johnson loves his crossing routes, his overroutes, and bringing in a guy like this, having a guy like Jamo in the roster, you know, be it what he's done, not that much, having that element of speed with two guys instead of just one and then you can even throw Khalif Raymond in there, it just opens up their offense a little bit more to be less methodical. and you can take a couple more shots. You've seen it at times this year where, you know, when JMO wasn't playing, you know, during a suspension, that they lost that vertical aspect to their offense a little bit.

It had to be really schemed up and they really had to, you know, take their chances when they got them, but it wasn't often. Bringing in DPJ, having JMO in the building back in the building. It's just the speed difference between that and the first couple weeks of the season. and it just gives Ben Johnson more ammo to play with. Yeah. The vertical stuff, too, like early in the year, they were hitting a lot of deep shots.

I know Amun Ra had the long touchdown against, was that Seattle or Atlanta? Atlanta, the double move. Yeah. Yeah. Put the slot corner on skates. That was a good ball. You mean the stick and go against Green Bay, you mean?

It was a Green Bay, sorry, Green Bay. Yeah. And then you had Leporto won a, rep on a two-way go against a safety for a deep ball. He also had one schemed up to him. I think Caliph had a long touchdown on a flea-flicker. So a couple schemed up, a couple scheme-dependent looks where they needed the defense to play a certain way to hit those.

You don't want to have to rely on your tight end to hit deep balls for your vertical game. You know, you need, and Josh Reynolds has had a couple back shoulders, too. So there is, there was some vertical elements there. But this gives them a true, like, reliable vertical element where Jamo is just not reliable right now. So it's not necessarily going to be scheme dependent on either side, defense or offense for them to, like they can work that vertical tree in. I maintain, I think when golf is throwing within rhythm, he throws a really nice deep ball,

especially for the boundary. I think he gets in trouble when he's thrown over the middle of the field a little bit, you know, downfield. So I think this does really help. Also, the big note here for the lines is it's pretty clear they weren't going to take two things they weren't going to do. We're going to take a culture risk on a character concern. I know a lot of Lions fans really wanted sweat or chase young. They don't understand why we didn't make those moves. But the reality is it's like what we know about both those guys, they probably wouldn't be a culture fit here.

And they just weren't willing to do that. The other thing is they're not, they weren't willing to accelerate the clock either. It's like, yeah, we're good right now. We're competing. But this isn't a one year endeavor. We're in this. We're building a long-term stable product where we're winning year in and year out.

so we're not going to give up that capital. They've built this team through the draft. So why give up a ton of draft capital for another player? Who's going to be cost-controlled? I understand all of that, too. Not every team has a plan where they can audible and all of a sudden you're taking on a contract player who is going to be $25, $30 million per year,

which is what sweat or young are looking at. So I think from those standpoints, it made sense the lines were a little more low-key. And I guess the last thing about DPJ is he's a special team, guy too, which they love. They love versatility. He's a really, really good returner, especially in the punt game, but he's got a bunch of good reps too as a, he's even played some vice. He's played Gunner. Like he gets after it in the run game as well. Like he just checks all those boxes, Detroit kid. I don't know if you see the interview.

Steve. Say it again. Do you see the interview with him at the combine? Do you hear he came out? No, I didn't. Someone asked him like, how would it, you know, what would it mean to you to play for the lions if they were to draft you? And he said, oh, it would be a dream come true. I've been a lion's saying my whole life. I grew up watching the Lions. I'm from Detroit. That's where I want to go is Detroit.

And then four years later, here we are. Yeah, I mean, he's two, I think he's two years younger than me. I remember watching him at Ford Field in the state championship for Kastak and look in, you know, me and my buddies when we were watching, I remember it being like, he's going to be good. He's going to be good. And I've been, I've honestly been a DPJ truther since he was in Cleveland. I always thought that he didn't get enough. enough wraps. I always thought he didn't get enough chances. When he did get chances, I thought he

made use of it. So it's a, I mean, it's a great buy low, low risk, potentially good reward, you know, you know, maybe coming, coming back to the city, rejuvenates him a little bit, and you see some decent production out of him. I mean, the expectation shouldn't be super high, but I think that there's definitely a chance that, you know, he contributes pretty, pretty soon. Yep. You made it so it's you made the point that I actually wanted to touch on real quick because you saw a lot of chatter about it throughout the trade deadline yesterday or Tuesday or whatever day it was and the big conversation was you know it was for Lions fans and I saw on a couple other teams pages is you know why didn't why didn't we make the trade for Chase Young? Chase Young was really the big one Montes Sweat the his price tag was a little bit. but Chase Young was the big one where a lot of people are like, oh my God, why didn't our team take a chance on that?

And, you know, the rationale was from a lot of people, I heard it from radio analysts, I heard it from a lot of people of, why not just sign him for the third round pick? You're going to get the third round pick right after anyway. Yeah. And for everyone out there, that's not necessarily true. You cannot just, you cannot just sub in a guy and immediately assume you're going to get the compensatory pick. Especially it needs a lot of cap space. what the Lions have. Right. Right. And that's the biggest thing is that it all, the compensatory pick is that you spent money on a guy and you are not able to go and spend that money in free agency.

And so to make up for that, you get this draft pick to help fill the void of talent that you didn't. It helps even the playing field. And so a team like the Lions and a lot of other teams that were in this position where they're probably going to make moves in free agency. They're probably going to do different things. And if you signed if you trade for Chase Young for that third round draft pick, and let's say you don't want to re-sign him, he gets injured, he doesn't play well, he's not a fit for your culture,

and he goes and signs somewhere else, you're just not going to automatically get that third-round pick, and you could go and make these moves in free agency, and all of a sudden, that compensatory pick gets moved to like a sixth, and then what's your return? You traded a third-rounder for a guy that now you're getting arguably back a six-rounder, and you may have bought lesser talent and free agency.

It's just, it's not this one to one, uh, trade off that everybody wants to like think it is. Right. It just like, I think, I just think a better understanding of that because I didn't understand it.

I actually saw it from Jeremy Risman's, he, you know, friend of the show, he had actually put up something by over the cap that kind of showed that trade off. It made more sense to me. And I think that opened my eyes a little bit.

I think it would open a lot of people's eyes. of like this isn't just a one for one. San Francisco's a perfect team because they're not going to go spend a free agency. They have so much money tied up. They're going to get that third round pickback. Exactly. The Lions, that's not how it would probably work out because the Lions are probably not carrying all of this cap space

through free agency. All it takes is one signing, Steve. So like they have the lines at the fifth most cap space going into the next year right now that's before cuts and all that. That implies they will sign at least one player to a big contract. Yeah. Probably only one. that's usually how they roll.

So even if they signed the one player to a big contract, it offsets whatever Chase Young is going to get from another team. So the cop formula would definitely negate that to probably a sixth round pick. It's, I mean, it's a great point by you. It's just, it's not easy for a team with a lot of cap space to play the compensatory pick market.

49ers are great. They're cash strapped. They got a ton of superstars in their team where all their money's tied up. They know, they know what they're doing. Eagles have played for a while too. Yeah. where we're not big spenders, so we'll make aggressive moves via trade, let those guys walk.

Next thing you know, we're stacking those comp picks back up. And then they're trading them back out for more veterans, letting them walk, just kind of rinse and repeat. That's how teams with maxing out their cap improve their team usually. Yeah. And you hope Detroit gets there at some point and these other teams get there where they're making those maneuvers at some point. But that's not where a lot of these teams are right now. And that's why a lot of these teams did not make this trade for, guy on an expiring contract who has health health issues, who has rumblings of workout issues,

things like that, that's why these teams didn't make this trade. And that's why San Francisco, this past rush Eden with their defensive line coach, that's why they make this move is that they see an opportunity to develop. And it's a no risk move for them. For sure. Actually, another point that you just spurned in my head. Like, we still, so this idea that we're going to trade draft capital for position players and that are, have expiring contracts is kind of new to the NFL. Yes. We have not yet seen enough of these deals to know to do a full analysis on if this is actually good.

Roster building or not. Like trading two first round picks for a wide receiver for the right to make him the highest paid by the receiver in the NFL. I don't think that's good business. I love Tyree Killey's the best. player in the NFL that's not a quarterback. I think that's hurt Miami in some ways, too, the way they did that. You're seeing this with other moves where it's, I just don't know that that's the best way

to do things. Now, obviously, we're not talking about trades that were that big in the deadline, but I do think there's some utility to the fact that, like, I don't think we really know what the impact is of trading for the right to pay a guy, because that's a weird proposition. You don't necessarily get to see enough reps in your jersey either to make that call. throughout NFL history, it's tough for guys to go to a different team and have the same level of success for whatever reason. Yeah. Team culture is different.

They're being coach a little bit differently. Not really sure. It's better for some positions than others, but point being, it's not like a slam dunk to trade for a superstar player and have him, you know, break out on your team. Yeah. We do need to get going, Steve, but I can't leave the pod before we at least. hype up the slate this week. We've dealt with two back-to-back, just horrendous slates of football games,

although this past week panned out decently. All the games were close, but the paper were ugly. This week, we're getting some good football guys. I'm going to run down the list real quick, and then I'll let you give some thoughts. Dolphins Chiefs is a Germany game. You're getting that at 930 National TV.

I'm canceling church that day. I'm staying home. I'm watching Dolphins Chiefs, guys. Absolutely. I would say even Vikings, Falcons is interesting. Two, four and four teams jockeying for that last playoff spot in the NFC. Both making moves into new quarterbacks. Both making moves into new quarterbacks.

Falcons still got a shot to win that division. Vikings are current. If the playoffs started today, the Vikings are in. So these are not bad teams. Seahawks Ravens, two two lost teams going at the 1 p.m. Slate. That's a great 1 p.m. game. We haven't got a 1 p.m. game of that magnitude in quite some time.

Yeah. There was another one on the, what was it? Oh, Cowboys Eagles, obviously, 425. That's the game of the week. Then we're getting Bill's Bengals, Sunday night, Chargers Jets Monday. I know I don't want to watch the Jets in prime time again. I'm really frustrated about that. But these are two contending teams.

Like we have a lot of good matchups. Almost half the slate this week is, I would say, playoff implication type matchups. Yeah. big time, for both teams, that is. Obviously, there's other playoff contenders as well, playing non-playoff contenders. But for both teams, there's like half the slate matters this week. It's really exciting.

A lot of good football we played. Steve, any thoughts on that slate? The Dolphins Chiefs game, I mean, from every aspect is fascinating. I think that the Chiefs have a bounce back opportunity. This could be for a one seed, realistically down the road. Really, I think this is mainly a huge game for the

dolphins. The dolphins have beat up on some bad teams and they've run into trouble when they play good teams. And so I think that this is a huge game for the dolphins to try and play against a very stout Kansas City Chiefs defense. A defense has been playing really,

really well. And so that match up there, I think that watching the Dolphins New England, game, you're starting to see a trend of if a defense can just maintain the Miami run offense, you don't even necessarily need to stop it completely. But if you can maintain it and, you know, take out their explosive runs and force to it to be a dropback passer, that's when the dolphins are starting to run into trouble a little

bit. And so I'm really interested to watch that. Seahawks Ravens, right now, Seahawks are winning the AFC West. They're an FACS, sorry. And it's like that, I think that this is a huge matchup. The Ravens, you know, beat up on a really good Lions team. They've been playing really well. Their losses, you could argue that the Ravens could and should be undefeated right now. and it'll be interesting to see how the Seattle run defense holds up because that's been what they've been doing really well this year. They've been playing against the run really, really well. I think they're like third in yards per carry against in the run game at like 3.6 yards per carry.

And so can they hold hem in Lamar Jackson and stop the passing game, stop the running game? I think Lamar's developing as a passer in this offense a little bit better. so saying turning into a dropback pastor doesn't have as much credence as it did, you know, in the Greg Roman offense. So that matchup is exciting just to see if how Seattle's run defense holds up. Cowboys Eagles. Hold on.

Really quick? Yeah. Sorry. I know I gave you the floor. Seahawks Ravens, we didn't talk because here's the problem with Google. It's not smart. So when you Google today deadline deals, it didn't include the Monday deal, which was Leonard Williams, going to the Seattle C.

for a second and a fifth round pick, I believe. This was another one where Leonard Williams is a high paid guy and he's on an expiring deal. So they're paying for the right to pay him a lot of money. However, this one was different because the Giants came up and said, we just want the draft capital. We'll pay. We'll pay the bill.

The Seahawks are on the hook for $1.5 million of that money this year. Now, if you want to talk about a trade that was missed, this is this would have been better for the 49ers this would have been good for a lot of teams i this one surprised me this was the most surprising i can't believe i forgot to talk about this it's because google sucks um i blame google but yeah seattle seahawks making moves guys like they have fastly kind of built that defensive lineup a little bit here draymont jones the brother in the offseason uh boy mafie's playing out of his mom's playing out of his mind like I knew he could when I saw him at senior bowl two years ago like the guy is balling

they bring in Leonard Williams who's a run stuffer who's also got some pastoral chops length size all that plays in that odd front really really well to that Seattle's going to run you know you can play you know down to three technique on passing situations or he can play on the you know you know the base defensive end and and rundowns so yeah really good pickup by them yeah yeah you're right I forgot to touch on that too but yeah that's uh Seattle's making good moves. I like where Seattle's headed. And then the 4 p.m. slate, it's Cowboys Eagles.

The Cowboys are in enigma in a way. Like, I don't, they haven't been in a close game yet this year. They've been in one close game so far this year. And that was against the charges. Everything else has been a blowout either way, whether it's them getting blown out or them blowing someone out. So I think that this is a really good overall test of, if the Cowboys defense can't score two touchdowns,

can DAC lead a neutral situation drive to go, you know, lead a game, tie a game, that type of stuff. So that I think, I think this is a huge game for the Cowboys. Obviously, it's for control of the division, at least for the near future until they play again. But it's a great test to see where this Cowboys defense lines up against one of the better offenses in the NFL and how Dack plays against a good defense. And then the, I mean, Bengals bills at Sunday night that the Bengals are starting to roll a little bit.

Joe Burroughs getting into a rhythm. Everybody's talked about it, but I'll talk about it too. You can tell that he's back because he checked into a QB draw. Three, and he juked out of safety. It was a great move. It was a great. All right. I'm feeling back at full strength.

It's going to be an exciting matchup to see Jemar Chase go into the slot this week because the last three weeks, Jamar Chase has a 55.6% target rate when he's lined up in the slot. And the bill has been a little bit susceptible getting burnt in the slot this year. So that's going to be, that'll be fun. I think that Jamar Chase might be in line for 15 plus targets in this game. And then Chargers need to make a move. They've got to keep climbing against the Jets. And the Jets defense is going to be tough.

think that they could give Herbert problems. This could be, it could be, I think this could turn into a really ugly game. It's going to be, I mean, I think it's going to be another Jets game. Really? I do. I think that, I think that the Jets defense lines up well against, uh, against the Los Angeles chargers and that they could, they could throttle down to Herbert a little bit. Nice.

So the charges have officially scorned you enough that you're finally turning your back on them. I am. I am and I've lost a little bit of faith. If they can if they can put up points against this Jets team, I might change my tune but you're going to have to see a good performance

against this Jets defense because that's kind of the standard of what they'll have to play the rest of the way and you got to see Herbert have a good game. Yeah, you're not wrong. I mean the Chiefs stifled the Chargers pretty good and the Chiefs do have a good defense good secondary but the Jets defense

is a little better than that even. So it could be a tough setting for the charges. I agree with you there. Yeah. All right, guys, that's going to do it. Big time football slate coming at you this week. We will be back next week to go game by game and review them, or at least the important games, I should say.

Yeah. We'll do a review next week. Also, it will be officially the halfway point in the season for every team elite. So maybe we should get into some mid-season awards. I don't know. Yeah. We'll maybe talk about that. that. So anyways, we will be back next week. Guys, thank you so much for listening. We are out.

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