Fantasy Football Daily - 2024 Dynasty Breakdown: What Did We Get Right/Wrong + Patriots Hired Who?

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

Mike Vrabel is IN for New England, and the process was interesting. Fantasy Points brings in Dynasty Points to examine the possible effect on Drake Maye and other Pats players. They also discuss what they got wrong and what they got right in a totally transparent look at their 2024 dynasty fantasy football season. Use promo code - YouTube25 for 25% of your subscription Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ Listen to the podcast here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts Thinking About Thinking Substack - https://jakobsanderson.substack.com/p/lets-think-about-thinking Where to find us: http://twitter.com/DynastyPts http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/JakobSanderson http://twitter.com/RyanJ_Heath http://twitter.com/LGilbertFF FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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cremation and cemetery providers owned and operated by affiliates of Service Corporation International. In a time where there's more and more questions about culture and NFL locker rooms and offensive geniuses being needed for young, elite quarterbacks, the New England Patriots decided to take the culture hire, not the offensive genius hire. We're going to talk a little bit about how that can affect coaching around the league and what that can mean for your dynasty teams. We're also going to talk about what we learned, what we got right,

what we got wrong. If you're new here, like and subscribe. Let's get right into Dynasty Points tonight. It's Dynasty Points. We're back live. I'm excited. The offseason has already begun. There's already so many takes out there in existence that are tilting.

There's already players being cut from playoff teams that were once said to be the best wide receiver on the Ravens roster. Deontay Johnson was cut. We're not here to talk. I'll be the worst hang in human history. Like, I just want to know. I don't know how unpleasant this guy is to be around. Like, he must, he must just be unbelievably annoying.

Yeah, it is, it is brutal. But, um, look, I'm excited because this is the time of year we get to really, last year we talked about the coaching cycle. This year we once again get to talk about the coaching cycle. Mike Brable was a big topic on this program last year. I said he should be hired. He wasn't hired. Then it was he's going to go be the head coach at like Ohio State.

And then it was he's going to go be the head coach at Alabama or he's going to go hop on to a defensive coordinator. And really he just kind of floated around the rest. But it turns out he's now the head coach of the England Patriots. Let's talk about it. Brian, you're the New England Patriots guy. the Discord always seems to tag you like you have insider information on the New England Patriots. Do you think they made the right hire, the wrong hire, or obviously what they're going for? They did choose culture, and I want to talk about that.

So I think it's very easy to say that the Patriots chose culture. But what the Patriots actually chose is, or what I should say, what Robert Kraft actually chose is the guy that he thinks the fan base will be. most satisfied with. That's what this hire is about. They have known they were going to hire Brable for weeks, as was made very clear by the very limited and strategic interviews that they did aside from Brable. Limited and strategic is how I would describe those interviews. And I guess my biggest issue, regardless of what you think of Brable as a football coach, and I tend to think he'll do a decent job. I believe in high school. I believe in high school. hiring offensive head coaches because generally if you hire a defensive head coach and your

offense has success with whatever Boy Genius coordinator you bring in, guess what? They're getting hired away within a year or two if it actually works out. So I have concerns about that, obviously, just with any defensive head coach hire. But I guess the refusal to interview around the league, there are. so many deserving coordinators on both sides of the ball, really, that you should be interviewing. Robert Kraft brought up Gerard Mayo as the replacement to Bill Belichick as early as four or five years ago, if we're to believe the media reports from last offseason. That was always the succession plan as Gerard Mayo is going to come in after Bill and

kind of take on the team. Now the succession plan is we're just reaching back into more former Patriots players. This one at least has coaching experience, at least has a resume of some moderate success in the NFL. My understanding from people I talk to is that Ravel is much more well respected in NFL circles. Players generally think he's good at building a culture. He can do all of these things that they're selling to the fan base. I don't think he's going to be a Gerard Mayo-esque fraud. I've listened to Vrable talk to the media today,

and I can tell you he does that better than Gerard Mayo, which is a very low bar. I mean, he didn't throw a bunch of people under the bus for no reason? Yeah, they ask him, are you going to hire Josh McDaniels? And he knows how to dodge the question gracefully, saying, oh, yeah, like, you know, we have a really long list of candidates. It's, yeah, I'm friends with Josh, blah, blah, blah.

Like, he knows how to handle a media question that's not like, oh, yeah, maybe we should bench from Andre Stevenson, like, random reporter. You're right. And maybe I will completely ruin my credibility with the team by turning this into a dramatic thing for two separate weeks at different points in the season. Yeah, I don't think we're going to get any of the train wreck stuff like that. I'm just very disappointed as a Patriots fan. and they didn't even seem to be that interested in hiring Ben Johnson, who is arguably one of the better head coaching candidates that has been available over the last several years.

So, yeah, I mean, am I surprised? No, I assume they were going to hire Grable the whole time. But I am disappointed. I'm embarrassed, as I always am, by this organization. That's, yeah, I think I laid it all out there. That's where I'm at. right now yeah i also believe like last year with the mayo thing when they hired van pelt what i said on this program was we don't know how good he's going to be like we don't know these first year play

callers i can see why someone like the or people like the craft family would be like no we want culture in the building culture over everything etc especially you get some some reports like uh man it was mike mic not mike mike McDonald. The, the Dolphins head coach, whose name is Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel saying like, what are I supposed to do to keep finding these guys? Like, they don't care. We're getting players. Like, George Pickens was late to the game on Christmas. There was that report. Like, culture is shifting. And you, if you listen to the Vibril interview today, like, he kind of said the same thing where he talked about like, you know, accountability

with players. And I don't know if that was a problem in the Patriots building. But I don't know. I could see Kraft being like, we made a terrible mistake. We need to fix it. Because obviously they drafted their quarterback. They like him. Now they're entrusting like this experienced head coach to take that next step with him. You're right, though. The offensive coordinator spot is going to be huge for them.

I don't think they're running back with Van Pelt. Jacob, what do you got? Yeah. I mean, it's going to be an immediate upgrade, right? The Mayo hire was a disaster. He, you know, it's not nice from a, like, a human perspective to say a person deserved to get fired after one year, but he needed to get terminated. He was clearly just in way over his head.

And frankly, it was probably a disservice to his eventual coaching career that he was put in that position to fail that publicly with a roster that bad in terms of probably damaging his future prospects of being a defensive coordinator in the league. You just look at how unprepared the team was from a week-to-week basis from not being able to line up correctly, not understanding basic diagnosis, blocking techniques, etc. or like it's just clear that whatever was going on Monday through Saturday was a disorganized mess. Brable's going to clean that up, right? I mean, if nothing else, Mike Brable is proven in Tennessee.

Like, he is a professional head coach. He understands how to communicate to players. He understands how to instill a system of communication and accountability. When the Patriots show up on Sundays, they might not be very good, but they will be a professional football team under Mike Brable. That's going to mean night and day difference. I think my biggest issue with it, like, like, the Vrable, that type of head coach, it's not for me. Like, I would always prefer, in particular with a second year quarterback who just was subjected to a tire fire.

Like, he had two different offensive coordinators in both of his two different years at UNC, just had a third offensive coordinator. He's about to have his fourth play caller in four years. I would just be more interested in finding a head coach that is also a play caller that can develop the most important asset on my franchise, which if you're the New England Patriots, Drake May is like arguably the only important asset on your franchise, given where the rest of the roster is. And they're at a point now where, I mean, frankly, some of the, like the Josh McDaniel stuff is not good to me. that's not a hire that gives me a whole lot of encouragement. The entire fan base wants, which it concerns me because Pat's fans are weird.

I deal with a lot of Pat's fans because I'm a selfish fan and they're weird. I mean, the one thing I guess you can say from McDaniels is no one is ever going to hire him to be a head coach again. So if he is successful, you will have your offensive coordinator for a long time. The fear to me is like you're either going to hire Josh Pagel's, which to me is a very uninspiring hire. Or you hire potentially someone more inspiring. And then he gets hired away and then you're on offensive coordinator number five in five years.

Like that's the stuff that would be really scary for me. I would rather invest in that. And then I think what's just more upsetting to me, and again, I mean, I'm not a Patriots fan, but I have a lot of Drake May stock, not just from like a dynasty portfolio standpoint, but just from like a take-having standpoint. I had a lot of a result's opinions about him. I want to be right over time. I want him to have a great career.

Like, just the process is so bad. where like realistically what does it cost you to bring in other guys for effectively free consults on your team, right? Like what does it hurt you to have Todd Monke and Liam Cohen, Joe Brady, other folks just come in and let you let you know what their plan would be for your offense. Even if you're not going to hire them. Like wouldn't wouldn't you want to pick these guys' brains? Wouldn't you want to hear them out? Wouldn't you want to have conversations with some of the smartest offensive designers? in the NFL.

Like, it's just bizarre to me. It's like, okay, well, we'll interview Ben Johnson to placate the fans. We'll address the Rooney Rule in the most expedient way possible. And then we will hire the guy that we were clearly going to hire always. It's just, it's just tough for me. And it's tough when it's an organization that hasn't done anything in several years. And then clearly the hiring process is mostly based on, like, who has played for. or coach for the New England Patriots in the recent history.

And it's like, can we look outside of ourselves? All that being sad, I mean, I'm going to have the same take on this that I had. We talked about it with the Chargers last year a lot. We talked about a lot with the Cowboys two years ago when people were thinking that the whole Mike McCarthy from Kellynne Moore thing was going to be to boomer it up. Like, just in general, I think that when we get new coaches or we get coaches in new environments or coaches with new players, we tend to have some. sometimes a lot of certainty as a fantasy community about what their play call and tendencies

are going to be, who's going to be a clown of a coach, who's going to be a great coach, in what way they're going to coach. If there is a sentiment that, you know, the Patriots are going to run this prehistoric offense and it's not going to have any chance to succeed and you want to avoid all the Patriots because Ravel's going to run the ball like you did in Tennessee, like I'm not saying that's not necessarily the most likely scenario. I just have always willing to bet against that if I'm getting paid to do it in the market. So, I mean, I was going to be in on Drake Mae regardless.

But I'm excited at least for that prospect that we won't be getting like the Ben Johnson helium on this offense. We'll probably get a lot of pessimism on this offense in the market. Well, that's one thing. Like, obviously I have Drake May, the ADP QB 10 over on Dynasty Data Lab. Now that drafts, because you degenerates are out there drafting away, drafts are starting to roll in for that live ADP. And you're right. I think if we got a Cohen Johnson and I swear if anyone takes my Todd Monk

and I'm going to lose it, then I think that would automatically jump it. Someone's got to hire this guy, man. I don't understand it. I don't want to lose him. I'm tired of losing our coordinators, man. Maybe he's just, maybe he's just an asshole or doesn't have a good person.

I don't know. But like, I'm really confused why he hasn't gotten more looks. I don't understand it. I think I get the Ben Johnson appeal, obviously. but like you're talking about a guy who has designed successful offenses in in several different levels multiple NFL teams multiple college programs been a successful college head coach I know that was a very small program at southern miss but like we're on a four-year run of potentially coaching back-to-back national championship offenses and then back-to-back MVP quarterback seasons like just

no one's interested in that and a guy who's done it in an air raid system he's done it in a pro-style system. He's done in his own read, run heavy system. Like, it's a guy who's proven that he has such a strong command of offensive design that it's not like he just walks around forcing his scheme on everybody. He shows up to a new place with new players. He says, what can I do with this? He designs a completely different offense every time. Like, that's, I think he's a genius. So I think there's a couple things that we don't as fans, like, look at. And some of it is, A, do they want to be a head coach? That's another thing. And B, can they maintain their office? offensive efficiency while running an entire operation.

So that's, I think that's why teams are going to start heading back towards the defensive coordinator slash culture coach. I think what Dan Campbell has done in Detroit has made that kind of clear. I think John Harbaugh, for as much as he gets ragged on by Ravens fandom, it's something that he consistently does, Andy Reid doesn't call.

he relies on his offensive coordinator these days. I think culture and overall head coaches are going to continue to be a strong, needed thing in the NFL now, especially with culture problems in the league. Like, it's a big thing. Like, not every coordinator becomes a good head coach. In fact, it's rare.

So I agree with what you're saying, Thomas, that I understand like that concern, of course. But from a team's perspective, from an organization's perspective, hopefully the way that you get some insight into, okay, well, this guy's an amazing coordinator, does he actually have the communication and the management skills to lead a football team? Hopefully you bring the guy in for an interview and at least try to figure that out, right? You would think that that would be your goal for a Todd Munkin, for a Liam Cohen. And yeah, we should get them in the building, ask them some challenging questions, and see how they respond in an environment like that. Yeah. It's not just, I refuse to believe that only defensive head coaches can be strong culture.

Oh, I agree. Like, we have to be looking at evaluating candidates and trying to find that perfect head coach that is an offensive genius and can also. and still a culture. And I think there's a decent shot that that's what Ben Johnson is or what Ben Johnson is going to try to do at the very least. So, yeah, I don't know. It's just frustrating to me that, well, yes, it's true. The culture stuff matters.

It's being used as like a red herring, I think, to distract from the awful process that it's taking place into it. It was a terrible process of knowing. There's no way around it. they basically laughed at the Rooney rule and how they did their candidates and like Jacob you had mentioned off like panic trying to interview Aaron Glenn all this stuff that like this was clearly and so obviously and it didn't help that Vrable goes and has a great interview with the Jets everything goes really well and then Mayo is fired and then Vrable is hired what a week a week

and a half later it's not none of it is is um coincidence right it was terrible but I could understand him being panicky. Like we need to fix the culture of our team with our new court. Like we can't risk having the wrong head coach, the wrong offensive coordinator. We just did that to Mack Jones. Look how it. I can see the pathway for him to making this decision.

But you're right. I think it was definitely a mistake because now what? Drake May is probably going to get a new offensive coordinator. That's two offensive coordinators in two years. That has an effect. I think it's now granted, I'm not an NFL head coach, but I think maybe it's easier to fix the running game

and fix the defense before it is easier to fix a complex and advanced passing game. I think maybe that kind of goes into it as well. So I think they have a ton of cap space. I think they now have a direction that they know they want to go in. They have their hard-nosed guy that they should have just hired last year. I almost want to say shout out to them for recognizing the mistake because I don't think that's being done.

They recognize that they had a problem. They made a terrible mistake like Job from Arrested Development. Everyone knew it. He made a terrible mistake. And they corrected it. So there's that. They did it in a shitty way and they might have picked the wrong guy. Maybe I liked Raver last year.

I like him now. Yeah, you could read into the interview today from, I think it was from today as much as you want to with the, you know, throwing it X amount of times. You only win X amount of games and, you know, fixing the run game and whatever. You can, all that narrative is going to be taken for what you want to hear out of it.

But I think what the Patriots did do to cap this off is they got, I think, a good coach at the end of the day. We've seen him be able to put together a good staff. We will forever have the image of him being visibly pissed, knowing that he lost his job the moment. they traded away AJ Brown. So you know that he likes his guys and can I identify what to do.

And we've seen him put together a staff that's put together a good offense with Arthur Smith, which would be hilarious if they just went after him again. I think that would be. No, I can't, I can't let this stand. The first hire that Rabel made for the Titans as OC was Matt Lafleur. Just to be clear, I think there is. An outside chance for Able brings in like a young Shanahan-esque. Well, I do think there's a chance.

I don't think it's going to be Arthur Smith. I, the most likely outcome that will piss me off is Josh. Well, look. If anyone wants to, like, go through my Twitter history, can at Ryan J. underscore he quotes Josh McDaniels. You'll find lots of gems from the 2020 through 2022 era. with Josh McDaniels there. You sound like me and Greg Roman.

I mean, I don't even think. I kind of feel the same way. So I almost feel the same. I mean, Brable is a way more likable person. But I feel similarly about Josh McDaniels as I would see that I do about Brable's head coach where it's like it's objectively kind of fine. It's just not for me. Like I don't think that McDaniel is a bad offensive coordinator.

Like he has had a lot of success as an offensive coordinator, especially I had success to the rookie year of Matt Jones, probably the most impressive thing on his resume. I mean, his offense in Las Vegas the first year, I thought was fine. It was very fantasy friendly because they consulted on Jacobs and Adams. Wide receiver two, Hunter Renfro after that year. No, I don't think that was that year. Isn't it?

Renfro was the Gruden year, and then McDaniels immediately banished him to the shadow realm. Right, right, right, right. Correct, yeah, sorry. He was playing Mac Hollins over him. But I don't know, I think his offense is like fine. It's like not that. It's pretty static. It's explicit vanilla.

Yes. Like it's just very vanilla, vanilla, but it's like, okay. It's just, yeah, it's like, I think he gets a bad rap as an OC. I think he gets, some people think he's like a terrible O.C. And I don't think that's true. He's a terrible head coach because he's the most unlikeable human being on the planet. But, like, as just a purely offensive coordinator, I think he's fine. It's just that he's not, he's just not quite as smart as he thinks he is.

That's, that's like, yeah. With from what Ryan was saying where he says he thinks he brings in someone young and until I think you're right. I think that's why Tommy Reese got promoted by the Browns because Vrabel had interest. So you're not wrong there. I think the direction is possible. The thing is I still think he's going to want to install his culture, which is run first, play defense, ask questions later, which can still be super successful for someone like Drake May. This is a long term play, obviously. they need receivers clearly

rables okay with you know running their offense through one guy two guys which i mean condensed offenses we love that in fantasy i think there's a pathway here i think the right hires really matter there's a pathway you should not fade drake may because of this decision at all and if you are i think you i think you're playing fantasy the wrong way just personally i hope they run them a lot i i think the best thing

for Drake with this roster at his level of progression I would run a very heavy personnel offense because they don't have any wide receivers and I would lean hard into Drake made's athleticism I would invest at the running back position I would invest in the interior offensive line

and I would plan to run the ball a lot including the quarterback in that run game and then try to take advantage of shot plays off of that like I would be signing guards and I would be drafting a running back in round three around four and I would be running the shit out of the ball but I would want 12 of those curies to be to Drake May yeah yep I don't disagree with any of that I think I think we hit it yeah Terry Taco says also love that name uh Tana Hill style you're right they can do it I think

they got the piece I think they can get the pieces lots of cap space there this is a bad year from what Brett Whitefield told me that if you want to fix your offensive line this is apparently there are guards there's no tackles but there are guards Ray Smith is available. Will Frize is available. You can get interior guys. I will say this. It will not be a bad thing if you roster Romandre Stevenson.

However, they're drafting somebody. The Patriots need to add a running back with some juice. Well, they have Antonio Gibson, Jacob. I don't care of what I should have. Twitter favorite Antonio Gibson undercontra. Romandre is fine, but like... He's a plodder. He's like a different...

I just don't think he fits where this offense needs to go. I want like a trivia on Henderson on this team. I want someone fun. Yeah, but I'm just saying I don't think rostering Stevenson will be bad this year at all. I think it'll be fun. He's like, if we are instituting kind of Jacob's vision here, which I don't think is a bad idea.

Remandre is not really that style of back. I'd say his worst skill is just the inside grinder type stuff. That's where he, that's where people get the idea that he's a plotter. Romandri Stevenson used to be a relatively explosive back in space at different times in his career here. We've just kind of used him as this inside grinder guy. I don't think that's his skill set at all. So, yeah, I would agree that if that is kind of the plan, then you should probably be

adding to the backfield. Yeah, and it's a draft to do it. Obviously, now multiple people going back. already Singleton. Shout out Brett Whitefield who left him off of his tier list. We were all wondering why. Probably had 10th state running backs going back. He probably had a little bit of inside info on that one knowing

Brett, but that's why. So shout out Brett. I think we hit it overall. Let's rank. Did? Just because it's in the title and it's on a thumbnail, the Patriots make a mistake in 2025 hiring Mike Rable. Yes or no. Just easy.

Yes or no. They made a mistake in the way that they hired Mike Brable. I like that. Jacob's classic cop out, Ryan. That's exactly what I was going to say. Of course, I will give you a yes or no. I'll, I'm going to go with no. I'll say no as well.

I'll say no, but the next round of hires matter. Like, obviously, I mean, they need a new GM. I mean, the Mconchi trade looks worse. They have a new GM. His name, Mike Brable. Yeah, you're not wrong. I'm serious.

I know. I mean, it's been reported. So they bring in, is it Ryan Cowan, someone Cowan, from the Giants, which is an interesting organization to take front off the people from. But they actually had a really good draft this year, so I'll give them that. And then, yeah, I mean, they got Tracy and showed out Drew Phillips. Theo Johnson. Lock corner that they got in the third round.

Yeah, so they bring him in. And from the sounds of it, it's him and Wolf are both reporting to Rable. And he has final say on personnel. Yeah, okay. I like that. That's smart. I like that. I like that a lot.

I think you can look at Brian Dabble. Dable, Dabble, Dabble. I wish that he had got fired because that would be, I think he would have been the offensive coordinator of the Patriots, and I think that would have been fantastic. I was just going to say, I think he's the type of person you look at,

where you go great offensive coordinator, went to a head coaching gig, and it just didn't work out. Like, that would be the guy you target as a rebound OC candidate who's like really driven. He would have been the perfect spot because he was the QV whisper. Right?

He had a little bit. So it would be perfect. That's the only people that they hire. So it would work. That's right. All right, that's going to do it for this part. When we come back from this quick break, we're going to talk a little bit about what we learned from the 2024 fantasy season and keep

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is over and let us know what you learned from 2024. We'll read it. And then we may take the best ones and talk about it next week on next week's episode. But I want to dive right in here with what we learned. Ryan, I want to start with you. Obviously, Dynasty fantasy football is the type of game where you constantly have to be

learning at all times. The second you think you're comfortable or you know something for sure, everything gets flipped on you. So let's talk about what you learned here that you wanted to highlight specifically on this show in 2024. Yeah. So from a dynasty, perspective especially. I think looking back and reflecting on how I approached this past off season and this past season, I was very in on these sort of late first rookie picks, late first to early second rookie picks, specifically the running backs, the Jonathan Brooks's, the Trey Benson's, even the Blake Corrums were a little bit cheaper. But you sit back and you look at that trio especially. Actually, you can throw a marshal.

on Lloyd in there as well, I suppose. You didn't get the place. Yeah, I know. All of these guys have. I think Dynasty points favorite Marshall and Lloyd. Hey, shout out Jalen Wright, too. It's not like he did much better. No.

Yeah. All of these guys have been pretty much the worst runout of a rookie season that you could ask for pretty much from a running back on day two that is coming in, not plopped into first on the depth chart, right? that's always kind of our first tier of rookie dynasty running back assets is okay a guy that's drafted is he going to be the starter immediately there was none of that really this year right my stance on all of these guys pretty much was for a running back to get that type of draft capital they're going to get a shot eventually right and they must be a decently safe

pick in terms of they should hold their value through 2024, even if they don't get on the field that much, kind of regardless of what happens, it's going to be priced in. People will understand people will be patient with these guys. I think that's just been resoundingly proved wrong in all of these cases. Obviously, awful injury runout for Jonathan Brooks, that that stuff is just super sad. Corum getting injured in a meaningless week 18 game. After not, really cracking the offense whatsoever the entire time. James Connor getting extended just in Trey Benson's face with Benson hurt down the stretch and never having that much of a chance to ever be the number one guy and Lloyd being hurt the entire season including an emergency

appendixie. So I guess what I've learned here is number one, teams will resign veterans that are playing well, full stop. Chuba Hubbard went and balled out this year. James Connor also went and balled out this year. Neither of those organizations even blinked before extending these 26 plus C-year-old running backs for a couple more seasons, effectively killing the rookie contract value of those picks that they had just made. But we have to sit there and eat that in Dynasty, unfortunately.

I, and the reason that I want to bring this up is because of something Jacob has talked about a lot over the past year, which is that there are organizations in the NFL that value running backs and organizations that don't. This is a really good running back class. I'm sure we're going to get some guys that are in instant impact spots where they'll actually get to get on the field and I either gain or lose dynasty value from there. But I'm sure there will be a crop of guys that are drafted as the presumptive. RB2s on their team. These are not safe picks like a wide receiver or whatever that is going to have value insulation. This league will still just chew up and spit out running backs.

And I just want to keep that in mind for myself going into this next season because it's just a losing strategy, both in redraft and in dynasty. I've always like rail against, don't draft the anointed most expensive. of handcuffs and redraft it's kind of similar in dynasty where we we anoint these guys because of the recent draft capital but ultimately they don't show anything on the field or are completely blocked from a chance to show anything on the field then it's not going to matter it's not it's not it's not going to increase the value of your dynasty roster yeah good good players that play well earn money and you know that's it i think it

I love the I'm just going to draft running backs in the second round. I'm going to continue to do that. But when that player has a productive veteran, especially, like in the James Connor case, maybe let's not just assume that they're just going to die off. I think that would have been, I think Jonathan Brooks play was, you know, risky because of injury. I don't think anyone expected Chuba Hubbard to do what he did. But when he started to do what he was doing and then resign him, we should have taken

that into account. Now you add the double ACL. which is dreadful. And it kind of helps in hindsight to, oh, I never should have done that, sure. But I think when you get elite wide receiver prospects, I think I think I'm done taking the maybe running back. Oh, I thought maybe I would have been done with Javante in this regard. And I did it again with Brooks.

I think I'm now officially done forever with this, maybe the running back over elite wide receiver prospects like Brian Thomas Jr., etc. I mean, I remember though, James Cook at 110 was my. call a couple years ago and that kind of panned out but still yeah i think you're definitely right ryan i think we need to take these vet running backs a little bit more seriously than than maybe we were before i the them those two getting contract extensions never entered really my consideration set for the range of outcomes when i was evaluating like the jonathan brooks or the tre benson decision and to to me that's an issue that that should have been at least something i was willing to

consider as part of my process because obviously it wasn't the range of outcome. So if it, yeah, when something's totally outside of your consideration set, that should, I think that should always be a signal to turn back and evaluate what it is that you're doing. That's a great way to phrase that. And that's something every dynasty player can apply. I've been guilty of doing it. I think we've all been guilty of doing it at times. I think that's great.

I'm going to go with my first one, because I had a couple I couldn't really decide. So I'm not going to get too in depth into all of them, but I'll go to break up me just talking for half an hour and losing all of our subscribers. To me, one thing I learned is, well, really, I'm sorry, I absolutely just found it. This year more than ever, staying away from player takes. Now, I say this quite often that if you rely on player takes, it can hurt you. more than anything else. That's why I focus so hard

on just playing the market, but staying away from player takes made you a ton of money this year. JSN, Darnold, Henry, Jacobs,

Jaden Reed at a negative light. You were just so convinced that if someone was so convinced that Jaden Reed was just this good because they liked

his rookie profile and they didn't dive in any further into it. You just held on to them no matter what because you liked the player that hurt you this year. all examples of these players

that had strong opinions attached to them helped you win like you could get Derek Henry for two mid seconds this offseason maybe an early second around draft time and it turns out that was a smash for you every single time but he was looked down upon he was old and I did this with quite a few

players and it burned me no more I am now going to look at every single situation objectively. JSN was a big one for me. His price tag in the sixth, seventh round round, I'm going to touch on this more later. His sixth seventh round price tag should have been a smash.

Instead, I made the decision on the player without looking at every other possibility at all times. And it cost me. It cost me money. It costs me way too much time in my DMs. It costs me a lot. And I think if people just stayed away from extremism and extreme player takes and anchoring in,

I think we'll all become better dynasty players because locking in on player takes can kill you. It can absolutely kill your dynasty team. It sets you up for terrible decisions, terrible trades, terrible roster construction, and, oh, no, there's an orphan now. And, you know, I find it a lot with quarterbacks. that's a big one. That's why I always just play the quarterback market. But as TD is saying in the chat, he's going to stay a little bit more grounded,

little less extreme, be more flexible. That's the key. I learned this a little bit more every year, but this year it really burned me. I refused to draft any running back this year. That was my thing. I passed on seventh round Ken Walker,

sixth round Ken Walker. That was a mistake. You know, I refused to draft H.N. in the, what, fifth round, that was a mistake. I'll just take a receipt. That receiver didn't do as well. I'll tell you that much in the fifth round.

So my, you know, I was heavy, heavy Sam Laporta, no way this can fail. The player is too good. Turned out he was good down the stretch. I mean, if you were still in the playoff hunt with Sam Laporte, it was awesome for you. Getting there with them was a nightmare. So being that locked in on a take hurt me. They probably heard a bunch of other people. In 2025, we're turning that around.

We're going to be even more annoying with how neutral we are on player takes and even more in on value assessment than we've ever been. So, Ryan, your eyes had better be ready to roll even harder when I say, I wasn't rolling my eyes. Every time I said, I'll take who's cheaper. You roll your eyes at me. I want you to be ready for that eye because I'm going to tell you that I am staying even more neutral on players.

and their evaluations than I've ever been before. I thought you were calling me out for roll my eyes like just now live. No, no, no. Like I'm reading in chat, brother. Like, sorry, my eyes move. They can't be fixed on the camera the entire time. Now, normally. Getting nervous there.

I thought I was being confronted. No. Normally I like to throw those at you to see if you're like coming up with a tweet like Scott would or in the DMs with Scott. But not this time. just stating that you're going to roll your eyes at me even more this offseason. Jacob, what did you learn from the 2024 season? I don't know how long this is going to last because the NFL is a cyclical game.

Football is a cyclical sport. But I think it's at least here to stay in the short to medium term. The moral arc of the football universe is not just consistently trending towards passing 95% of the time. It kind of looked like it was for a while. there. We had a lot of the breakthroughs and tendencies that we were finding where it was like, well, actually, you can run play action just as effectively, almost regardless of your rushing success rate, almost regardless of your called run rate. The gap between EPA per pass, EPA per run was to the extent that almost every team, even bad passing teams were averaging higher EPA per

pass at EPA per run, path rate in general was just going up and up and up and up across the league. and then the last couple of years, you know, defenses started to neutralize that. And it was, we were going to see, you know, is this a blip or is this going to just start to revert back? And it really is starting to revert back in a big way towards the ground game. And it makes sense. You know, we're seeing when the past game was really taking off,

you had NFL defenses that were just lining up in base personnel, almost regardless of what you wanted to do. on first and second down. And you had to do very little. You could show up an 11 personnel. You could show up with an 11 personnel with a tight end and doesn't even really block. And you could just pass all the time.

And that was the way to do it because the personnel was so beneficial to you. But as defensive coordinators have gotten smarter with their personnel usage, they use lighter boxes, they use more nickel and dime packages. And as they're becoming just a lot more creative in their ability to get pressure with four guys, the simulated pressures that you see guys like Brian Forres used where they're walking up a million guys to line. You don't know who's coming and who's dropping. See guys running more and more stunts at higher rates.

Defensive coordinators have found ways to push back and to make life difficult on you if you are just going to drop back and obviously pass the football. And so as we see this more running and more heavy personnel, it really changes how we have to view not just like running next, but every position in fantasy football in this window of time that I think we're still going to be in for at least a couple of years until maybe the offense comes up with their next counterpunch.

And that to me is like, first off, with teams able to actually run the ball more, there's way more value out there for these running backs who can compile a lot of volume in terms of carries. You know, if you think back 10 years ago, there was these guys that have 300 carries. And then a while ago, there was no one who was getting 300 carries. And so you could pretty much just ignore any running back

that wasn't going to make a massive impact in the passing game because they couldn't hurt you with that big ceiling. We saw that reverse this year. in the biggest position I think that might be affected more than anything is a tight end position because you can't you can't play a wide tight end in today's NFL that doesn't block. So you have to either play a tight end that's in that tween or mold as a second tight end detached from the line, which means they have to be better than a slot wide receiver to get on the field, or they need to be a tight end who's willing to get dirty and block.

Right. And that's why we've seen, I mean, I always think about it in basketball, because I I play a little bit of fantasy basketball. And, like, there were guys like Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe who were like these total ballers in fantasy basketball because they would put up a ton of rebounds. And then overnight, the game just changed. And it was like, you can't play these guys anymore, like in real basketball anymore. Like, they don't have a place in the league anymore.

And the first round pick he used to have, there was a cheat code. Like, Hassan Whiteside's not a cheat code because he's not in the NBA anymore. And like that's kind of the Kyle Pitts, Dalton Kincaid thing where it's like, these guys no longer have a position in the NFL. And thus like the fantasy appeal that was very real just a few years ago of a tight end, it was actually a wide receiver. Like that doesn't, that's not going to work at least in the short to medium term. So that I think completely changes to view the tight end position. And then a quarterback. You know, we've been talking, we talked about.

about this ton one of the earlier episodes of the year. But like with maybe the exception of Joe Burrow this year, who was both an incredible player and was gifted a ridiculously bad defense, like that was kind of the only guy who got there on passing volume this year. And when I say got there, but like got there to a massive ceiling, right? Everyone else is either getting there with passing touchdowns or they're getting there with Russian, which is really changing, you know, the quarterback position. I think it's devaluing the quarterback position generally and then it's also just changing

the archetypes of quarterbacks. And it's prioritizing the quarterbacks that are in the best schemes, the priorities, the quarterbacks who are going to be the most efficient and less of sort of the drop back 600 times guys. Yeah, Sean's talking about Tucker Craft. Absolutely. Tucker Craft is like, it's absolutely

the platonic ideal of the modern finance. That other, that other model, like, it's going to be fine for Bowers because like Bowers is proven this year, like, He's a receiver. He is good enough. He is actually good enough to be an elite receiver. So he can just be Pooka Nakuwa with tight end eligibility.

That rocks. But that's the bar now if you're going to be that style of tight end. You have to be Brock Bauer is good. You can't be Dalton Kincaid good or you're kind of not. Yeah. No, I think that's important too. There's a, the press conference from the floor today.

Speaking of Kraft, I went, oh yeah, I think, you know, we need a main guy. Something about him being capable of being in the kiddle role. and I just started drooling like my mouth was watering like a steak was in front of me like I am I would give me eight games of that just so I can die happy

Kraft is an absolute animal and he can do everything he's phenomenal by the way I believe he's now my dynasty tight end like six so shout out I updated my tight end ranks so hoping and praying there that ends back to sucking I think you're right

the quarterback thing I've been saying this for years and it's nice that it has finally kind of come around you either need volume insane efficiency or running and then a combination of all of it to be at the top

Burrow is him like you look at the ADP he's the he's the pylon right now it's like Alan Lamar Daniels Jamar Chase and then Burrow

right like that's that's it so I think you I think you nailed that. Same with tight end. I think we're back to just kind of where we were forever because the NFL works in cycles. That's just, is what it is.

I think that was a great, great lesson. Like I said, leave a comment below. Let us know what you've learned. Obviously, TD, you let us know in the chat.

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what you did get right because this game is hard fantasy football is difficult it is a bitch of a game so when you get something right you should celebrate it and you should talk about it it is not obnoxious so long as you do the other part of that which we will do a little bit towards the end so sit tight when we come back we're going to talk about what we got right you're not going to want to miss it. Okay, leave a comment and let us know what you guys got right, especially if it went against what we said,

because guess what? It helps us learn, we're not afraid of it, we don't shy away from it. TD says this episode is phenomenal. Shout out to you, TD. We love you. Let's talk about what we got right.

I'm going to start with probably one of my favorite things that I got right this year and again I've written so much stuff on the show sheet that I cannot find it well I'll just say one thing I got right this year

was C.J. Stroud being the worst possible pick that you could make at 103. I stood tall on this one. People came at me for this one. Jacob Sanderson came at me for this one. This will be in my what I got wrong. And to me, that has just solidified my take on quarterbacks and how important it is to, like Jacob just mentioned, the things that we learned, this is all going to tie together because that's how you grow as a show.

This really just proves it. But I will be even more aggressive in my anti-pylon quarterback drafting and trading for. I will be even more into that mid-round quarterback and late-round quarterback philosophy, unless there is just proven rushing or they're just in a McShan-esque system or Sean Payton. Like that's what you're looking for now at this point. And that really just solidified for it, solidified it for me. So DJ Stroud, worst pick at the 103. Got that one right.

Let's go to Ryan. Yeah, there's, in terms of stuff I got right, I've listed out some names. I kind of want to quickly go through and list them, but also say why I got it right or how I was led to this, because I think that's kind of the important part, right? It's not look at me. I got all these things right. All these players did well. It's this is how I arrived at this.

Can I apply this going forward? Devon A-chan, I kind of just. exactly called the exact season he was going to have, which was this is the most efficient rookie on a per touch basis that has ever entered the league. It's year two. We have all this data about what running backs tend to do in year two, especially after efficient seasons. And the kind of wrinkle with A-chan was, can he take it to the next level in the passing game? is Rahim Most are going to be a problem. I don't think this always works.

I think for it to work, you need a head coach or an O.C. Or what have you, an offensive mind there that is going to buy into. I want to find ways to make my best players make plays. Mike McDaniel obviously kind of ticked that box, at least preseason, whatever mud we'd like to sling at him now, that that was clear. we kind of what was going to happen. Kind of every interview he would give was, yeah, like, Devon is amazing and we're looking for all these different ways to get the ball in his hands.

Like, we're going to be very creative. He was making it sound much more mysterious than it probably should have been. It's like we're actually going to throw the ball to him a hundred times like that. He could have come out and said that and made it easier on people. But when an efficient player is being teased for any sort of. sort of role expansion, I'm going to be open-minded to that and I'm going to buy into it. Chase Brown is another one. I was very famously not into Chase Brown until about mid-late June when we started actually hearing from the GM from the head coach that they legitimately view

them as, that they legitimately viewed Brown and Moss as 50-50 players. This is how they want to split their backfield. That was kind of what we saw early in the same. season. As soon as they were willing to say that, I was like, okay, I'll get on board again with the per touch efficiency from Chase Brown. That that didn't trust us, but no, just had to hear from the coaches. Well, because there is a long history of. I know. I know. That are good on a per touch basis in limited roles as rookies who never get on the damn field. I know. I know. It's just being realistic. But Yeah, I mean, once that hurdle was kind of cleared, it became very obvious.

And it did look bleak at first. Yes, it very much did for a couple of weeks. Yeah, first like three weeks. It was not looking good. Oh, yeah. And I guess kind of the last guy I want to touch on is Ladd McConkey, just because this stuck out so much in my head, both from the offseason and obviously now after the rookie season he's had.

we have like these film versus analytics wars that flare up every off season in terms of what's the best way to evaluate prospects. Whenever both of those kind of approaches agree on a player, especially one that is not like a consensus top 10 talent in the NFL that is going in the top five picks of rookie drafts. If all the film guys like Ladd McConkey and all the data, of guys that know what they're doing like Ladd-McConkey, you should probably just smash that player. Yeah. See, I have trouble thinking of a counter example where the film guys and the per-out stats and all of that both looked amazing on a player and he, like, totally flopped.

Usually we get this. And it's been pretty incredible. That's always like, that's going to be like the thing I'm looking out for this off season, as we get into as we get into rookie prospect season is what what guys are old sides of that coming to a quick consensus on yeah man i had b tj and lad ahead of zavier worthy and right before the beginning of the season i let my gut be affected by twitter like a late night taco bell run and i moved saviourtheworthy up a spot and i've i've i had it right and I should have just stuck with it the whole time but that is what it is a couple more I had a couple written down here so I want to mention a few more we can go

back and forth here a little bit as well as a group here I feel like it's important to mention Chris Godwin our king our god shout out I think from the very beginning of the offseason I was in round nine was this is a hilarious ADP value you could be your sixth wide receiver on a team. He was carrying you. One of the few, what, 20 point wide receivers we even had this year for any stretch. He was a god and was on pace to be like top two wide receivers, even top one. I said he would finish on this show.

I was the only one that said he would finish like inside that top 10. and he was on pay he was going to do it 100% he was going to do it now we had some positives that came from him getting hurt like the running back god bucky irving who i could also have put on the i was right but i'll be honest everything i learned about bucky irving came from zoltan so i'll give all credit to him he was the one that put me on i can't take any credit for that at all but absolutely was right about Chris Godwin in round nine. He was an absolute smash. And then I'll say,

fading Javante Williams. Oh my God. I was the lowest on him in the company. I put up fights in every single one of our projection meetings leading up to the season. I fought against him on this program, which sucks because I was so in on him early, so in on him early. And I was just happy to fade him at every cost.

He was not worth it, period. So those two, very happy to be right on that one. Yeah, top ones for me. Tattoo them already even mentioned. I put the loud on my list as well. It was, I mean, easily one of the things that I definitely got the most, like, grief on from Twitter was having Ladd-Wad Reader C-4. Definitely not all the analytics people were in on Ladd. That was, Ryan might have a different memory.

Yeah. Spring than I do. You know, the arguments over like the per route stuff versus the volume stuff. And the case to me with Ladd, and I mean, this kind of ties in with the film case for Ladd, in my opinion, which is like when it's not all of the per route translations are created equal,

but what made Ladd different is like you dive into how is he winning on these routes. And it's not just he's a per route God because he comes in to run like five bubble screens. It's like he's just winning on NFL routes against all forms of coverage, in college and he's doing it from the flanker position, he's doing it from the slot position,

but he's winning on in breakers, he's winning on outbreakers, he's winning on Real Boy Routes. And so when you combine that NFL translatable game to the per route profile, I think that's when you get an undervalued prospect, and obviously the film stuff backs that up. And that was a big part of what really sold me on him

was seeing guys like Matt Harmon, Soltan mentioned too. I was a big lad of a conky fan. So that was one. And then Brock Bowers, I mean, I said like so many, memeable things about Brock Bowers all summer that like if he was bad I don't think I could have lived down. I think I think best football player of all time was one thing that I had said. So like him

being a mega super smash was huge. He was my highest, he was my highest drafted rookie even counting like fourth rounders. And then I will take part of credit for Bucky Irving. I mean, I don't think anyone was a bigger person than Mike than Zoltan. But he was definitely, he was my highest draft the best ball running back, was definitely a guy where, to me, it was just, you had the combination of Rashad White being bad, and just knowing Rashad White was bad. And then Bucky being very cheap and being a guy that, again,

I think was undervalued in terms of over-reliance on the height weight speed stuff versus a dude who I think a lot of the other metrics suggesting he was quite good. I thought he was quite good on film. And then probably the biggest for me, I mean, obviously the end of the season is horrible. But my guy scammed Arnold, just out there,

carrying into a 14-win Vikings team. leading a perfectly happy, good fantasy offense. We will see what happens next year, but that was easily the most fun part of the season to me and the most infuriating part of the season because every single time that I ever hit on one of these scammy quarterbacks, immediately my mental health goes in the drain when people say they're actually good, but then we all got to watch the playoff game.

So we'll see who it is next year. Yeah, absolutely. Ryan, who else do you got? I got a couple more, but I want to get some from Ryan. Yeah, I guess one more big one that is, well, we'll go with two more. JSN is one. I guess I was bigger on him in redraft than I was in Dynasty. But just the profile of this was a prospect that we were saying a lot of unhinged things about,

at least at fantasy points, to have the rookie season that he did was obviously a big problem. but kind of in the off season, I felt like I had the chance to dive into what happened there a little bit more. There were some crazy stats about how he basically was only ever targeted on third down. Like he clearly was just not a part of the offense as a rookie. Even if he was on the field, they just kind of were pretending he was not. outside of when they would go three wide on third down in like the obvious passing situations. And then he would earn targets like a genuinely respectable rookie wide receiver, right?

And having Grub come in, having a new system come in where he had a history of utilizing three wide receivers at his previous job in college to a great extent and just seeing kind of that skill set match there, I think put me in a good spot with JSN. But probably the biggest and the simplest one is Bow Nix for me. I was very vocal in terms of this is a quarterback with top 12 real NFL draft capital on, as Tom mentioned earlier, a Sean Payton offense that has basically never failed to put up at least passable top 24 QB production from, a lot of names that would surprise you that have ever put up that production.

So just that alone was enough for me to say, you should basically be clicking this guy's name in the late first anytime you possibly can in rookie drafts. That saved me from a lot of additional Jonathan Brooks exposure, which I appreciate. That's just kind of really it. Yeah, we get way too confident with quarterback evaluations every single offseason. without fail kind of media narratives will collect around a couple of guys in the quarterback class where these guys aren't as good and it's funny too because a lot of that is literally built by opposing front offices trying to do counterintelligence against each other and just put out lies

in terms of what they think of players but yeah every year we get at least one of those quarterbacks where the media landscape and the fantasy community has just decided that he's awful and is guaranteed to fail. And that was kind of what happened with Bo Nix. Also with Michael Penix, who was even cheaper. And it looks like almost as or even better of a pick right now. So, yeah, take the quarterbacks guys that are falling in rookie drafts. It's kind of that simple.

I'm glad you mentioned both of those guys because those are two people that I definitely wanted to mention. I said it before. I've sent you some of the replies that I've gotten Ryan on touching on this topic. But when a player becomes a meme on Twitter, buy them. Chances are Twitter's wrong, right?

When you step into the Twitter group think, go against it more often than not, and you're going to be better off for it. Those were two players. But like Michael Penix at 204 was the easiest pick possible. Bo Nix at 202, 203 was just as easy. I moved up to grab them a bunch in the 11-11s, 1-12s on quarterback needy teams. Granted, I have a lot of them because I am a late-round quarterback guy.

I do not pay up for that second QB. This draft class saved a lot of rosters, if I'm being honest with you. A lot of those Aaron Rogers, Stafford teams about the roll over. Those were two absolute smash picks. I want to talk about a couple others. it was on this program on our hot take show, I said Alvin Camara would finish as the number two running back in fantasy football. And when he was shut down for the season,

he was the number two running back in fantasy football. An insane call at any level. It was insane. Carr was getting hurt. The team was dying around him left, right, and center. And the one thing that maintained was Alvin Camara's volume. he was finally going to hit a thousand yards and then he just, the team sucked so bad

between coaches being fired, him being hurt considerably. He got an extent, I was so in, and I'll be in next year too, because the price, it's probably going to drop a little bit. At least I predict it to drop a little bit.

But to predict top two, at two, was insane and I smashed it. I am so proud of that, 100%. I will say that I am also proud to have been a hater once again on the former prince that was promised. Trevor Lawrence, I'll continue to fade Mr.

Lawrence. Actually, he's kind of hitting the fifth or sixth round. That's kind of hitting Tommy T. By territory. So maybe I'm in this year. You're muted, Jacob.

But maybe I'm in this year finally on Trevor Lawrence because he's that sixth round. I got to wait. I got to wait to see you they hire. I can't go through this again. Yeah. This is the, that's the next step for the Jaguars, Trevor Lawrence fandom is now we're waiting on.

They interviewed Monkin. Please, Jacks, please. But with that being said, I'm just happy that again, Paul Patterson and I talked about this at Nazimu's Purdy versus Lawrence. Last year again, just the Trevor Lawrence stuff.

I'm finally done. with him being, I'm going to stop picking on him. Because he's not as... Purdy, though. Pretty was pretty bad this year too. He was still cheaper. And to me, yeah, I'd take him. And sports, yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah. I don't like party is closer to being out of a job, though, after this year. You will forever. You'll, you're, I learned that... No, I did not think that he was going to be... Purdy's getting a long-term contract. I have a lot, like, I think pretty sucks in real life.

But I've never been like a super, there's people that are way more extreme about Purdy's dynasty value than me. I always thought he would get a contract in San Francisco and be fine. Extremism isn't is a stupid thing. I'm like I'm not, I don't have anti-Purdy takes and fantasy. It's all real life stuff. Except when you say the fantasy stats that I use aren't real.

But that's the side of the point. Are we, well, it's a different game. We don't play, we're not playing real life football. We play fantasy football. Yeah.

And his fantasy stats were better. Right. That's, that's one's simple. I don't have an issue with Purdy. fantasy. I'm not an anti-perty person of fantasy. I'm anti-perty in real life. And then

you take my... Because I don't... I care far more about having real-life football discussions of fantasy discussions. I should have had... You take my real life takes and you apply them to fantasy. No, I should have had the clip. I should have had the clip ready from what where we talked about this where I used fantasy statistics and you told me they weren't

real. But that's besides the point. I'm not using real data. But I don't know. I'm I mean, I've Ryan's just laughing at this point. I'm not that into. Well, I think that they're not real in terms of describing someone's real life value.

Like, I don't, I don't care about stats for quarterbacks. I care about them for fantasy quarterbacks. But I don't know. I'm a little concerned about the longevity of Brock Bernie after this year. I'm not. He's getting his long term.

Yeah. I thought, like, for the season they had and all the weapons they lost, he still, he was fine. looked like an NFL quarterback to me. Like I, yeah, that's, I, I feel like the goalposts have just so far on Brock Purdy,

where that, that was kind of always the cope was he has the best weapons in the league. He's in the best off or like schematically designed offense in the league. This is the only reason that he's doing any of it. And they went like seven and ten. Yeah, but part, not just because of the offense. Like, the- Purdy also got hurt. So fell apart. He played through.

a barely significant shoulder injury for a few games. Yeah, it wasn't like, it wasn't like, wow, Brock Purdy got so exposed. Like, once Brandon Nyuk went down. No, Juan Jennings just turned into a superstar. Like, I don't know. I feel like we've moved beyond what the original, like, Brock Purdy in real life debate even was because one side of it has just won, and the other side is willing. Well, I don't know.

Shadhan, and he will be, like, down to the way. right horrific and we will see you just saw the goalpost move move to it just being about kyle shanahan like in real time that's always been my day yeah brock pretty scored 20 or more fantasy points in uh nine of his 15 games uh in six point leagues like he's i'm just saying anyway yeah i'm not not concerned with him at all but getting back to my point which it seems to just be what happens i was right about Trevor lawrence i'm gonna be right about until something drastic changes, whatever. And yeah, drops, throwing the catchable ball is a real thing.

So keep that in mind as well. And I'm going to say the last one I'm going to, the last ones I'm going to end on is wide receivers. I mean, Jaden Reed and George Pickens, I couldn't be happier than to fade these guys. Ryan, I'm going to lean on you here because your tweet today just made me lull. I said last year that Jaden Reed's role would need to change for him to be someone that I was in on. it it fucking didn't he was just he was the screen merchant this regardless of how good you think he is as a receiver and if they let him do more it would be better i agree but they're just not and now we have two years of it so i'm happy to have fade that one next the other can can you read that one do

you have that one on hand i i don't have it on hand but i have it basically i can give you the jaden read take um please what i what i find humorous about Jaden Reed is the discourse is like Matt LaFleur is an idiot. He's clearly their best receiver. Like they just need to force the usage to him more. They need to use him more. Literally one third of Jaden Reed's targets this year came on design screens. That is about as much like we're forcing usage to a player as you possibly can.

Yes, he deserves it. He's great with the ball in his hands. He's a dynamic player, not saying any of that. But if you remove all screens, his targets per route run 16%. That's equivalent to what Marquez Valdez Gantling did this year. The guy that we used to meme about for being the best win sprinter in the NFL for like five years that he would just post up on the outside, run 400 routes on like a 15 to 12% target for outrun. Literally, that is Jaden Reed if you take away the screen stuff.

He doesn't earn targets against Dantavian Wicks, who ranks like top, very funnily ranks like top six in that same stat. Yeah, I'm going to be head aching over Dantabian Wicks for another offseason, I guess. So that sucks for me. But, yeah, Reed, great with a ball in his hands, doesn't seem to be, at least from what we've seen so far. not a receiver that will just go and win on the line against the defender, get open and command like a normal target, at least not at a much higher level than anybody else, all the other kind of jags on that offense. So it's, will it happen eventually, maybe?

He was an older prospect. It's not like that shocking that he was kind of quickly got to his skill ceiling in the NFL would be the way I lean. But yeah, that's what it is with Reid. Loved him when he was cheap. We had JJ Zach reason on the show, like last year. Bilo, Sleeper, loved him. Once he hit that upper tier, top 14 dynasty wide receiver,

should have been out the door. I waited a little bit too long. We're going to talk about that a little bit later. But I love the stat. It's like, well, just let him do other things. He can do it. You put Reed's average separation score and win rate. We're both ranked outside.

of the top 40 at wide receiver if you were to move I'm fascinated to see the Harmon stuff on this year because he he scored so well in his rookie year on all those separation metrics and I mean every time he has the ball in his hands he looks like the best

player in the NFL like I just I don't know I if the Harmon stuff is brutal then I might get to your side I'm well Florida has a history like well Florida is in the Shanahan's own for me where I think he does so many things so well that I'm not trying to be like he's a

jackass because like obviously as a play designer he's incredible but the personnel stuff I do continue to be baffled by and the tenancy stuff like this is still the guy who looked at Dionne Lewis and Derek Henry on the practice field every day and said my RB1 is Dionne Lewis like I just I don't take this time seriously with the roles that he deploys players in I and the early down run stuff is absurd. And it's just, I don't know. It feels like one where it's just the, the talent difference

between Reed and every other person on this offense when they have the ball seems so stark to me when I just watched the team that it seems like something it just has to happen eventually. And I'm going to continue to bep into that. Sure. It's just fading him at his previous cost going into last year was a fifth round pick.

In a draft right now, he just went at the eight, nine, right? Like it was just, it was the right move. Yeah, it's going to be a change and it did. I did not sell the, I think I have one share left. I didn't sell it when I should have. And now I'm just stuck with it for now. I didn't buy any either, which I'm very happy with. I didn't really draft any extra.

I think I drafted one share of them. That's actually the share I have is the one I drafted this year. And I believe he was a sixth round pick for me. And like, okay. But I should have moved on. Hey, but let's, because, so I'm going to put back not just on read, but just in general, idea that like because I think in many ways this year have a lot of examples of guys that there's

reason to believe are more talented than the numbers say based on whether that be eyeballs or just like the prospect pro like jSN would be a great example of this like there was really no other than other than his Ohio state pedigree but like through his rookie season and then through basically half of this season. His statistical profile was pretty pedestrian. And then he caught fire eventually when, you know, they, they realized, like, we're going to make this guy the focal point at this point. And, like, Worthy is a guy who, I think, I think JSN and I think Reed are better than

Xavier Worthy as a receiver. But, like, that's a guy where, like, eventually they figured out how to use him in a role that's, that's going to do something. Like, I don't know. I'm trying to be a little bit more. patient and less of a slave to the numbers on a lot of these guys. Like Marvin Harrison's another guy that we'll talk about where like, you know, we talked about the Ladd Marvin thing like a month ago.

I'm in a startup right now. Ladd was long off the board, but Marvin was still there. I drafted him. Like that to me is another interesting case where like the numbers versus like the overall vibe of the player. I'm very curious. A Dunez is another one going into next year. Like I'm very curious to see how these things go.

where I think that the numbers are not very positive, but I'm trying to keep more of an open mind to these guys. And I'm going to be doing that with Reed, too. I want to give them one more year on him. Sure. But at the cost, now I'm in. Now I'll go in by. I just thought the cost was too rich for somebody.

We needed a lot of things to go a certain way, and they didn't. And it kind of stuck with what we, and early in the year, I mean, he was being talked about, is this elite? He was right up there with QJ in the, benefiting from broken coverage data that we had. I mean, look, the Eagle game, I joked that C.J. Gardner Johnson needed to take the Kobe jersey off because,

I mean, that dude, every, every game he played at the start of the year, there was some screenshot of him absolutely eating dirt, right? And Reed was one of those guys. So I'm going to be more in on his price this year. This is like the classic fade at his upper tier price and buy when he's cheap. Pickens is going to be another one. He is an absolute crash out. He's a crash out.

He's, I don't even know if he's going to be on the team next year. I don't know if Tomlin's going to be on the team next year. We've seen every Steelers receiver, went these away from Tomlin, self-destraught. I don't know. But he was just also another guy who's volume- I have a chair. He's one of two players in the top 120 of ADP

that I actually don't have a single share of in 68. but I think that I'm probably I think I might try to see what life is like as a Pickens guy next year Yeah again, his price is not really going down His price didn't really go down Yeah, I got Pickens curious halfway through this year And I sent out a couple offers and all of them were just rejected

But he's going into Widenceiver 21 He's going before Alvei Every time that I want to be somewhat interested in this guy That still doesn't make any sense. Yeah, he's going ahead of Olave. He's going ahead of more worthy Waddle McLauran. I never mind. That's what I mean.

And you were, like you said, halfway through the year, I had to fight Scott Barrett on George Pickens and Theo Graminger on George Pickens a lot when I would produce their School of Scott podcast. I just didn't buy it. He is the deep shot wide receiver who can be an explosive. We knew this already, but I don't think he's the one type wide receiver. He's not reliable. His hands, he's lazy.

I mean, if you watch any QB school video that the Steelers are on, I think he spent, I think he's JTO Sullivan spent so much time just commenting on the type of player pickens is, not even the quarterback play. So that's just, I'm sorry. It can be, you could say it's whatever you want, but I am not willing to be in. And I wasn't willing to be in on a. player who at any moment could either be catching a football or pile driving an opponent out of bounce on any given play on a team that's just not that good for wide receivers.

I'm just not. I think what end points per game this year? I have no idea. I think it's got to be higher than that, but who knows. I guess Pickens is to other people what like the, what like. It's just I feel like I always like the. wide receivers that have the good peripherals that are in terrible situations. Like, those just always seem to be my guys where, like, they're either cursed or I'm drawn

to them. I don't know. But, like, Jared Wilson will be that for eternity. Finally, Drake London is now playing in a viable situation, but, like, he was that for a long time. And, like, I've always just had a lot of these guys. So it's just weird, I guess, that, like, Pickens is just a player I've never liked. Now he kind of is that guy.

And I, I've never been the guy on the other side being, like, like I'd like to buy low, but you guys are still valuing this guy. Like he's done something when he hasn't actually done anything. So I guess I see where the pick and struthers are coming from because I've certainly done that for several other players. But yeah, I guess I'll have a hard time buying in if he's still going to be in the top 24. That's what I mean. I'll just, I'll continue to fade him. But I, you know, I feel like I was absolutely right in fading him.

So there we go. There's a bunch of stuff that we got right and why, even with some pushback here, which I wasn't totally expecting today. But here we are. that's what makes this show great. You're not going to have everyone agree with you all the time. And that's important. My bonus got right just so everyone can like kind of get off my bat. Was Jameson Williams as a buy?

I worked out for me. I said it at the start of the year. It worked out. The games he played because he missed a couple more often than not. He scored what you wanted and he had some blow up games too. He was worth the buy. So I had that baited him at his absolute max price for years. bottom money was attainable this is the george pickets jaden reed arc right where i i faded them

when they were up here i'm going to buy them when they hit the right price for me price is king prices everything that's how it rules these wide receivers for me all right let's do the sad part we're going to come right back and we're also going to set i miss this last time when we recorded we're going to settle the game we're going to settle our bets and we're going to add to here but like before we end those two things have to get done because I keep forgetting. We're going to do what we got wrong when we come back on the other side of this. All right. As you can see, tell us what we should do next. So what's next on this podcast? You can let us know by leaving a comment after you like and subscribe and hit the bell and don't

miss a video. You're going to want to do it helps us out. It really does. Help us feed our family the timbits that we need to sustain life here in Canada and wherever Ryan is, his ice coffee that he won't admit that he likes. I'm in Dunk's land. Yeah. Let's talk about some things that we got wrong. I'll start it off because there, I had, look, I look like a jackass for some of the stuff that I said this year, which is what led me to my revelation at the top of this program about not buying into player takes as much. It doesn't always come back to completely bite me in the ass. But in 2024, the take who's cheaper. finally killed me. The Takeo's cheaper on the Texans wide receiver thought process nuked me, and I don't have enough Nikko Collins because of it.

I was wrong. It's important to talk about what you got wrong. It's important to be open about it. It is important to not delete your takes from Twitter. It's important to look your bad takes in the face and admit it and talk through it because that's how you become a better player.

No one plays this game 100%. It's impossible. It's impossible to be 100%. Anyone that tells you that they win 95% of their leagues is playing against themselves and alt accounts or they're full of shit. It's just period. No one gets this thing totally right.

And I was horrendously wrong on the taku's cheaper. I thought Tank Dell would provide close to his war value, not close until the very last game or possibly his career ended. And I needed him in that game to go to the finals. And I played him. So shout out to you, Tank Dell, for the one game that you really took off for me. Super sucks what happened. But Neagle Collins was just the guy.

I should have seen it. You live and you die with the take who's cheaper method. It finally really bit me in the ass this year. I was wrong about the take who's cheaper and the Texans. wide receiver room. I've got two more, but I'll jump to Ryan here on the next one. Yeah, so, I mean, easily the biggest thing I was wrong about just as a theme this last year was fading all of the old running backs, which has been kind of a tried and true thing for me

in redraft for a long time. I think we are at the point in dynasty, or probably well past the point in dynasty, where the age of a running back and the chance that their production is going to just completely go away is more than priced in to every single running back over the age of 25, to where especially this year it was a legitimately viable strategy to just send out second round picks wherever you could for the Derek Henrys, for the Alvin Cameras, for the James Connors, I guess you could throw. Josh Jacobs in there too.

It was hard to ever get him for a second rounder, but these guys are more than capable of providing production well, well ahead of what you have to pay for them in a dynasty context. In a redraft context, I think it's different. We had kind of a crazy run of running backs being healthy this year. Wide receivers not being healthy. I'll be writing about that a bunch, I'm sure, in the coming weeks. but I yeah the biggest thing for me was just not buying into any of the old running backs

was huge missed opportunity because because all the teams that got the playoff buys were the teams with the derrick henries and with the alvin cameras if you if you didn't have those guys outside of like a legitimate juggernaut that you've been building for years it was pretty hard to get by this year without the advantage of that production. So, yeah, I guess that's kind of all I have to say on it. It's going to be, I'm going to be doing my best not to be trying to like individually predict each running back like age curve fall off this year as I've gotten kind of obsessed with in years past.

I think that's an important take. Your comment section will probably appreciate you for it. Jacob, what do you got? yeah i had two main ones although i mean we talk about jaden reed plenty and you know as much as i'm going to be buying him again next year obviously obviously was a rough second half of the season after getting very excited about him um but the two guys that i focused on and because i think that they're similar so i want to group them together c j stroud and breese hall which were two guys that i was very vocal about in both formats in dynasty and in redraft that they were

quite disappointing this year and i think that the hardest part to reconcile is like just that they were, and not necessarily that I think that they will be going forward, but at very least for 2024, they were just IRL bad, which was the hardest part for me to see being possible with either one of them, to be honest. Like they hauled up and so ridiculously impressive, both as a rookie and then as a sophomore coming off of an ACL. Stroudoff's had an incredible rookie season. And, you know, we had all the arguments about,

you know the well i don't know if anyone was really that arguing against hall's talent but really it was should you spend that much at running back you know it was the argument about hall and then for strout it's really like should you spend that much in a pocket quarterback and to me like the that was the only way that it could go bad i i could not have possibly envisioned to how poorly he played this year and you know there's partially reasons for that that are not as fault i don't like their offensive coordinator at all. Their offensive one really regress in a big way. But, like, compounded upon that, he also just played, like, shit pretty frequently.

And, you know, he's still alive in the playoffs. Maybe he can change that and rewrite his story this year. But far too often, I was watching games and just watching him miss throws that, like, he clearly would have made in 2023. And I don't really know necessarily what to do with that. Because I've always kind of viewed fantasy as, like, there are all of these grand uncertainty. you know what the environment is going to be what the health is going to be what the scoring variance is going to be relative to expectation what someone's age decline is going to be all those things but

like the one thing that I've generally taken as like a certainty is like if you are young and you have pedigree and you've shown that you are elite like I can at least rely on that you are going to be an elite real life talent and then we'd have to hope everything else aligns around that And those two dudes just being like very, maybe I wouldn't call Hall bad, but I would call Hall at least very average and Stroud pretty bad. This year in real life football is probably the thing that is making me the most gun-shy and uncertain about like everything, frankly, going into 2025, where if there's no, there's no pillar of elite real-life play that we can latch on to from young play. even than you know it makes it a lot harder to have conviction in this environment and and you know it brings me more entertaining of of tom's cost focused approach for sure yeah that's it's important it's important you're right going from you know hey at least he's going to be good for ex money it's why i also

believe that safety and quarterbacks is also a lie i think i think it's the biggest lie and fantasy yeah I don't think any of that I think it was a good point good points that you've made there I want to talk about one more before I end the show on the most important one that people are going to want me to talk about save that for the end

Kyler Murray QB1 overall is gross talk about a guy that I thought had a legitimate opportunity to finish as the QB1 and he wasn't even Bo Nix, right? He was just unplayable.

He's for sure unwatchable. It looks like he's completely regressed. The offensive coordinator and the offense he's in can, sure, we want to cope a little bit and blame that. I think that's fair to do. Kyler had a lot to do with this. It should not have taken him so long to get Trey McBride into the end zone for one. He bails out of the pocket before it collapses.

his height is becoming a legitimate issue at this point for not throwing over the middle. He has been afraid to just throw it up to Marvin Harrison Jr. on multiple occasions going back and watching, hashtag watching the film, if you would. He's a rushing quarterback that I don't even want right now, and I wish I could get rid of at somewhat of an elite price, but you cannot. You cannot trade him for Bo Nix.

You cannot trade him for Justin Hurts. like you would have been able to. Fating Herbert because I believed so much in Kyler it costed me money this year, considerable money this year. And I will be rethinking my approach to that. Not all rushers are elite fantasy options.

And I'm going to take a deeper look inward and go to my darkness retreat and clear my mind of my love for Kyler. He and I are breaking up. It's over between us. It'll take me a while to recover emotionally, but it'll be better for the both of us.

So yeah, long relationship coming to an end here. Maybe he bounces back, but QB1, he's nowhere near the level of those, those upper tier guys at this point. It sucks. But I was wrong.

I was wrong to just draft Kyler in the second round no matter what. There were other quarterback options that I could have been more into had I just not had blinders on for Kyler Murray. What else we got? I got one more to end on. So I'm hoping one of you guys have one more. Yeah, I can give kind of a quick one. I had a lot of, in terms of like trying to bargain bin shop for Ryder's receiver production. I found myself going very often to the Amari Cooper's and to the Deontay

Johnson's. Hey, Marri Cooper. Hey, thanks for the hundred bucks. Yeah, you're, you're welcome. You have to pay, see, since I lost the bet to Tom, you have to pay 50 to me and 50 to Tom. We'll get to that. Yeah. Well, so, though, since we're, since we're splitting a pot in a league also we can just offset it that way too all right well can we we'll just anyway yeah we'll get to the accounting after the show yeah but yeah on amari cooper dante johnson i get this is another kind of like statistical humility lesson for me i guess i was very into kind of deeply diving into the amari cooper and the dionte johnson seasons and breaking down like okay well where they're catchable target rates.

This is like how much catchable targets are tending to regress year over year. I could tell like a very convincing story, at least to me, in terms of like, yeah, these guys just got screwed last year. And they're awesome NFL receivers, like elite level NFL receivers that are fully capable of going out and putting up like a top 12 or a top 18 season this year just with even average luck. both of them got yeated from the team that they were on in week one, which is like, I don't know, that that tells me, especially in Deontay Johnson's case, that there's something more going on there. There's usually something more going on when for years and years a guy can't score the fantasy points that go along with all the XFP and what all the stats say he should be scoring. I should have been more open to maybe this is not only the type of receiver Deontay Johnson is on the field,

but there were like rumblings of maybe he's kind of a diva his last year in Pittsburgh that I just kind of ignored and was happy to ignore. With Cooper, yeah, man, it just was like I was in the camp of like Deshaun Watson can't possibly be this bad. Like those were definitely worse. Last off season. There's no way Deshawn Watson is as bad. as Jeff Driscoll or whichever other trio of quarterbacks that Cooper was catching passes from for a big part of last season.

Oh, yeah, he can be that bad. That absolutely can happen. Cooper can drop every catchable ball that comes his way on the Browns. He can get traded to another team and never crack a 40% round share like that. All of that absolutely can happen. yeah i think again all of that is completely fair i think it's only appropriate to end this with the hottest story of the dynasty point season jsn sixth and seventh round price tag important to talk about it i got that one wrong i will say i was quick to adjust and suddenly

became the highest on where he would finish on this program because we grow and we're intelligent and players become a buy when we realize processes are wrong. This was my biggest swing and miss on the year. I thought that was too expensive for me for the return. I thought that I would get for a player who had such a horrendous rookie season. If I had been a little bit more open-minded to a new coaching staff, et cetera, and his new usage, which. was that of the

underneath two minute god that he was. I mean, death taxes and JSN getting six targets in the last two and a half minutes of every half the Seahawks were down in. It was just the easiest cash bet to make through the entire year.

But he had an amazing turnaround. And though it was a down year for wide receivers in general, I believe he would have finished. I had it as the wide receiver 12 or 13. if I'm not mistaken based on last year I'd have to re-update those numbers I know that was from a little while ago but he was a good player

and his sixth and seventh round price tag should have been an absolute smash given the absolute trash cans that were drafted around him that I likely drafted he was a miss for me at his price and I paid the price going and acquiring him in season I paid the price

I paid it but I was wrong. I was wrong on his price tag. I was right on the turnaround. So not an all bad, but going into this year, I will be more into receivers whose profiles I don't love,

simply because I'll be more open-minded to the possibility that things change in a way that I don't foresee. This goes with Jordan Addison. It was the case for Pickens until I went and looked at what his pickings at price actually was no forever stay away from that but addison i wish i was more in on i kind of tossed him aside on the jehan dotson train but i'll be honest he was still kind of johan dotson he like a little bit so i wasn't totally wrong on

that one but again his price would love to have jordan addison is my fourth wide receiver on my team even third most weeks after he came back from injury. So I'll be more open-minded to these wide receivers with high upside, if you would, at these prices, especially going into this year. So I was wrong about JSN's price in the sixth and seventh round. I was wrong about not being willing to send a late first in this draft class for him. But I will also say, I was absolutely right that he was West Coast Godwin, because that's exactly what he turned out.

to be. We now have a top 12 dynasty wide receiver on her hands. So I was wrong on that one. Hopefully you joined me in correcting your stance on that early and we can prosper. But I feel like if I didn't mention it,

I would be strung up by my toes and beaten with a stick in the courtyard. So had to talk about it. There you go. There we have it. Quick break.

We come back. We're going to settle up who won the game, who won the bets. And then final thoughts before we get out of here. You don't want to stay locked in. Okay, we have to mention Jacob absolutely dismantled us in the weekly pick games at 859.26 points. So shout out to you, Jacob. Congratulations.

Hard to believe that I was in the lead for like three weeks in this season. and then you just had an unbelievable Linsanity run that we could not catch up from. So shout out to you. Second was Lucas with 760.56. I was third at 729.92. And in his rookie season, Ryan came in last at 673.14.

He'll be looking to bounce back. What this means is Jacob is picking the beverages that we will be consuming. And I am nervous about this. this. For the live draft coverage of the NFL draft, we are on after the Scott Barrett's, Joe Dolan, Brett Whitefields. We talk about the dynasty impact of the draft, and we just have a great time. And we'll be at the mercy of Jacob and what he decides to put us through. He put Billy, the retired full tilt host, almost on his ass with a full menu of beverages. And he had me

really hurting last year as well. So once again, Jacob, you are picking the beverages. I can promise that ice coffee is going to factor in heavily to this year's theme. Should I get Kululah on tap? It would only make sense after this year's content. So we'll see. You know, we're going to have a lot of options at our disposal all of a full day planned. At least one per round that we're covering.

I think we always do, I know we do a little snippets after the first couple of days. we'll have the full day three, I suspect. I mean, I'm not making an announcement, but I'm not in charge of those things, but that was the case last year. So if that is once again the case, that sounds like at least four drinks for that day. So buckle up, buckle in.

Yeah. I can't wait. You know, looking forward to two straight years. You know, you would have thought, right? I only won last year because of Ryan, because Ryan's subbed for me one night. And so I got to use his kicks,

and then he had like the best a week of anyone the whole year. So I thought once Ryan joined the show full-time That it was gonna be Jover for me You know, he nobody Dives into the weekly matchups more than Mr. Heath But he choked he's a choker Yeah, so Don't dive into the weekly matchups

Until Wednesday and Thursday it turns out So when it's Tuesday night, Ryan, you know It's too bright Turn them off, turn them off You're saying he goes full darnal on Tuesday nights Is that what it's looking like? I was acting out a popular Twitter meme. It didn't seem like anyone was picking up on that.

Well, I don't live chronically online, Jacob. So that one definitely went over my head for sure. We had some bets that were made on this program live on air that we will talk about. Ryan and Jacob had a $50 stake at Cooper will outscore Shakir at plus 200 odds and PPR points per game on a minimum six game. played Jacob, congratulations. You won that bet. Yeah, like Kahlin Kalil Shakir fan over here.

Hey, you and the guru would get along. Guru, yeah, funny, I love Shakir. I love Shakir as a prospect, and then I admitted defeat when he felt like the fourth round. I wish I didn't. I wish I had held the faith. But after being drafted in the fourth round

and doing absolutely nothing for two years, then I gave up. This is another, I mean, way like lower stakes example. This is another example of I'm going to try and be less of the spreadsheet version because this is a dude that I really loved in college. He always looked sick when he got the ball in his hands. There was nothing in the per route usage

that would suggest through two years that this player was anything. Like it was like 13% targets for route run. And I should have incorporated more of the VAT boy nice mole into my process because all of a sudden, the usage really changed this year for secure. But yeah, Mario Cooper

Mega watch. Then the second big bet we had on this program was that Russell Wilson was going to start more games for the Pittsburgh Steelers

barring injury than Justin Fields. And that hit. So shout out, I appreciate your $100. I thought early in the year that this is going to, we were going to have to take this to court.

I thought we were going to be taking this to court whether or not Russell Wilson's injury was real as Justin Fields is racking up starts. it looked like they're but then then russ just won it straight out so yeah we know for better or worse to be fair by the end of the year they should have been playing fields but uh for better or worse they they for the betterment of my wallet i should say they stuck with russ wilson so shout out to that can we let's get final thoughts on 2024 before we sign off wouldn't have any final thoughts on 24 before we sign off i don't know he said two hours though that was the fun year uh

It was the first year that we've done the podcast with this combination of everything full-time, all year on fantasy points. With Tom, Ryan Lucas, you know, more exposure for the podcast. Very, very fun getting used to this new routine, this new little family. I absolutely look forward to seeing you guys every single Tuesday night. Historically, in the previous days of this podcast, this would have been our last episode for four to six weeks. Tom is an absolute trooper, so that won't be the case. It's going to be my last episode to talk to this year ball. I'm going into prospect's hibernation slash law hibernation.

But I'll be back with a vengeance. The prospect takes ready in mid-February. And this was an absolute blast of a season working with you guys. And I cannot wait to do it again all off season and for the 2025 season. Love that. I love that, man. Yeah, couldn't have said it better myself. I'm very grateful and very thankful.

for you guys letting me into your little family here this year. I've had an amazing time. I also look forward to this. It's always great conversations. I always learn something whenever I would listen to the show before being on it. And now whenever I'm on the show, I always learn something. So, yeah, one of my favorite parts of the week. And yeah, looking forward to another year of amazing conversations with you guys. Yeah, it's been great. Lucas isn't here, but I know he shares the same sentiment. He is off on a secret mission that we're not allowed to talk about. But I'll say that, yeah, for years with full tilt, I was partnering with this group and that group and this group.

And we finally found a home here. Fantasy Points has changed my life, getting to starting this podcast as a note app in my phone every week to talk shit to our league, to, you know, asking Jacob to join me every week. to the point where we started this podcast and you coming to my house. We did this in person at the beginning. And in five years, here we are. We hit new records, not just for us,

but for the website. We were the most downloaded podcast in general at fantasy points.com on the Fantasy Points Now feed. We had one of the biggest live streams in terms of fantasy content on the year for fantasy points in a year that fantasy points has really taken off we couldn't do that without all you guys so i'm eternally grateful for fantasy points changing my life that includes every

person listening watching liking subscribing we say that a lot that helps us help but it really does and i wouldn't have it any other way i will say adding ryan this year has led to some of my favorite moments on this podcast from Shania Twain to rum to ice coffee being more talked about than the podcast itself truly added an element to the show that we were missing since Billy had left so shout out to you Ryan we appreciate it and shout out to everyone that being said that's the end of the show

I want to leave the show with one of my favorite clips of the season that I have here. I'm going to play that as we as we sign out. But I want to keep in mind this year my family lost. My foster family, prepare, our grandfather, passed away this last week and I hadn't talked to him in a while. And it leads me to say, I always say to check in on your loved ones, even if you're not sure that they need it. And I mean it because you don't know. so check in on your loved ones even if you're not sure that they need it uh shout out prepare and the entire family but remember first and foremost this game is fun keep it fun keep it fun with your friends your family and enjoy it remember that clear eyes and full hearts

can never lose your best days are spent tilting and leave this show on one of my favorite notes with one of my favorite clips that we've ever had on this program. Good night, everybody. Lebes from the Fantasy Points Discord said, didn't Ryan already give his hot take with his iced coffee take? And you're right.

That's why he's not on this episode. He didn't want to face the music is really what it is. I do, however, have his hot takes, even though Ryan's not here. Where is Ryan tonight? Ryan is busy with ass. The new metric.

fantasy points. He is writing an ass article that does not feature Megan the Stallion. Like I was just pictured Ryan just going nuts out on the town. He's just like, ah man, I won five for five first time a couple weeks ago. He's like the rainmaker out there. Oh shut out, Ryan, man. Give me that ass. Hey babe, what are you up to do tonight? I'm working on some ass. I'm just studying ass like every nerd does. I got ass in the spreadsheets. You know what I mean? We could actually confirm now. That is the average separation score that will be releasing soon.