Fantasy Football Daily - 2024 Dynasty Fantasy Football Sleepers To Beat The Dynasty Markets!

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

The 2024 NFL off-season has opportunities to beat the Dynasty Fantasy Football Market. The Dynasty Points Podcast is going to go over "What is a dynasty sleeper?" and "How do you beat the dynasty fantasy football market?". This is a must-watch piece of dynasty fantasy football content for your 2024 dynasty off-season. Dynasty Meltdown - https://youtu.be/gHNudX4C1fQ?si=kC7Ds... Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ All our podcasts are here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/p... Where to find us: http://twitter.com/DynastyPts http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/JakobSanderson http://twitter.com/LGilbertFF FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts TikTok- Http://TikTok.com/FantasyPts #fantasypoints #nfl #fantasyfootball #bestball #dynastyfantasyfootball #dfs #nflbetting #FantasyFootballAdvice Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What? What are you shaking your head? You're welcome. It's another Tuesday night, which means it's another episode of Dynasty Points, and we have a lot to be excited about tonight. We have another five for five so I can possibly maintain my winning streak and push it to three straight games as the victor. We have, obviously, if you looked at the title of the video,

we are going to talk about how to beat the dynasty market. This is a very dead period of the off season. There's not a lot happening. There really isn't a lot of movement, but that does not mean you cannot always be on the move for more changes to your dynasty roster. So that, of course, very important. We have players that we think are either going to beat ADP

or that we should just leave alone. Lots to get to today. I am extremely excited for today's episode. Of course, I am your host with the most time on his hands. You can find me at El Nostra Thomas. My fun fact of the day is Friday night. I got to see Jacob in person at a social. And, well, let's just say the person at the bar did indeed ask if I was Jacob's dad.

And so my fun fact of the day is knowing that I'm, could be Jacob's dad. He did not text me on Father's Day. I'm Jacob, aka Tom's son, according to a very confused would affect bartender. And I mean, everybody knows my fun fact is. The Boston Celtics now lead all NBA franchises with 18 Larry O'Brien trophies slash NBA championships right there. Congratulations to all members on the Boston Celtics, to fellow members of Celtics Nation on Twitter, and anyone who just has any affinity for the color green whatsoever, a true, a true pleasure. And the more fun fact for the rest of you is that

I'm going to go back to tweeting about football for the rest of the summer. So there you go. Yes. That's what we all want. Lucas. Congratulations. Once again, Jacob and Thomas, I'm sorry. did not get happy Father's Day message. That's just unfortunate. I'm Lucas Gilbert. You can find me on X at L. Gilbert F.F. My fun fact, keeping up with a college baseball theme because, you know, got to try to keep the other sports going during the summer.

Christian Moore for the Tennessee volunteers, your Tennessee volunteers for me and Jacob, hit for the first cycle in the College World Series since 1956. and he did it in six innings. And then eventually Tennessee went on to walk off Florida State. Man, it was a fun time, a very fun time. So not as fun as Jacobs team winning. So on Brad for Lucas. Like we have the Stanley Cup finals going on right now.

We have the NBA finals going right now. And you'll see like the people on Twitter that'll be like, you know. Oh, I don't care about the NBA finals. I wish I was watching Patriots, Panthers, whatever. Lucas isn't even that. He's like, I'm watching college baseball, buddy. Don't even try me. These games have been outrageously good.

They have been so freaking good. We had three walk-offs in the first three games of the College World Series, which was amazing. The fourth game, they stole, or Texanib stole home run from Florida in the bottom or in the top of the ninth to secure their one-run win. Like it's it's been madness so far Having a really good time with it So yeah

Are you watching the Euros? No Euro Cup Okay so real football all right Is what we're here to talk about No What's the Euro Cup buddy Oh my God

The Quadrennial European soccer tournament No no no no So football American football is what we're here to talk about today I guess we're not a very cultured podcast I guess we don't It's beyond our shore If we don't lose subscribers because of soccer talk, I would be truly amazed.

No. We talked about every other sport other than football infinitely more so far in the first five minutes of the show. And that's wonderful. Like, that's just crazy and random. Should I just bring up international cup stacking on the Ocho? Like, is this, is that just what's next? Is that just what we should talk about?

Actually, one cited international cup stacking in the intro to an article. Get out of here. you did you're going to have to link that it was all about stocking yeah that's super fun to me um oh that's awesome what's really fun to me is knowing that this is the time of year where the twitter industrial complex likes to go absolutely bananas with like is this player gonna break out in 2024 where is this player rank for you in 2024 do you think he's better than justin jefferson like it just, we're at like peak silliness season and we're here to talk about it tonight. I think that there are core differences between someone who is a sleeper and someone who will just beat their ADP.

Because sometimes just beating your ADP isn't hard. You just kind of have to play like 10 games. It doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be an elite player or you're going to gain this substantial amount of value, which I feel like is what a lot of people push when talking about this. And I think it's just important that we break down a little bit of what we think a sleeper might actually be. So that's a little bit of a breakdown for myself on how I view the two. Jacob, do you think there's a difference between the two? Is it something you even look at a lot?

What does a sleeper mean to you? Well, there's certainly a difference between the two. And maybe when we kind of get into the guys that we recommend, I'll get more into my more actionable takeaway between the two things. But in terms of just what I think of when I think of a sleeper versus what I think of when I think have an ADP beater, a sleeper is effectively someone that comes to a low cost that you're betting on to elevate themselves in a way that I think is, you know, you might even acknowledge is relatively unlikely, but certainly the market thinks is relatively

unlikely. And I think of that as being a little bit more sustained. It's a bit of a mix between production and value, in my opinion, especially for talking about dynasty sleepers. And an ADP beta is really just a player who, you know, probably has a pretty limited ceiling, both production wise and value wise, right? We're probably talking about a middle age or maybe older player and just has a median where the cost is simply too low compared to what that median projection is going to be. You know, whether or not that's a player worth drafting, I think we can talk about, and that's probably the more interesting question. But I think that that's definitely the difference is that your ADP beaters is probably more of a known commodity.

They're going to beat their ADP in most of the circumstances. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're a good pick. We have more to consider there. Well, it's, it's really important, too, that when you get into the heavy content creating off season, and this is one thing that we don't do on this show that I am extremely proud of that I see all over, we are not sitting here flag planting for players that are easy, quote, victories, that we can also just brush off as, yeah, well, they were so cheap anyway, it didn't matter. Because that is a content creating trap.

That is what a lot of shows, a lot of websites they can do. This isn't calling other websites or other podcasts, you know, fucking trash. That's not what we're trying to do here. But it's one thing that you won't get from us. We like to crack some jokes on players every once in a while. But there is a difference between identifying players that we truly believe in to people that are just easy to pick. It's like, yeah, this guy should definitely outdo his ADP. See, yeah, was right.

So that is one thing that we are sitting here. I'm going to kind of try to go over through the weeds. Who are real players in these categories, not these Fugasey value fantasy football players, which there's a lot of them out there. There's a lot. Lucas, what's the difference to you and what does it mean for you? I'm going to try to keep it pretty simple with my definition.

Whatever, I think of sleepers. I think of, you know, the positive connotation that we as fantasy football players put with that word. and then translate that into a sleeper, somebody who is going to outperform where you drafted them and actually help your team. I feel like there are going to be a lot of ADP beaters, but those aren't necessarily the people who are going to be making those massive differences for your team. And a sleeper doesn't even have to make a massive difference. A sleeper can be somebody who's coming in and helping you for two weeks whenever somebody else is down. I'm still considering that person a sleeper, but ADP beater is somebody who's probably going to be on the back end of your bench.

they'll gain value just because they got another year in the NFL and they're not old. That's how I'm going to kind of keep it more simple. I think that we can definitely get into a much more complex conversation and heck, we can even look at some of the older players

who are going to be better than what their ADPs kind of valuing them at, but they're obviously not in the sleeper definition or at least I wouldn't put them there. I feel like there's just certain positions that this matters more. or two.

Like, I feel like in terms of, say, sleeper, it's often like, here's a sleeper running back. And then if it's to beat ADP, it's usually here's a wide receiver. But for me, there's a reason we hammer on this program all the time value quarterbacks late, right? Like, to me, those are sleeper quarterbacks. These are quarterbacks that are going to beat their ADP because there's no reason that we should get, you know, round 12 Derek Carr, right? Or round, you don't think Russell Wilson's going to play the whole year, Jacob.

That's cool. But Russell Wilson, QB 33, should he get to play the whole year? You know, I expect him to beat that. Like, these are players to me that are. Considering there are only 32 to play. If he plays the whole year, I think he'll beat 33. But that's what I mean. But you, again, you're also saying that Yield is going to out play them.

I see what you're trying to do here. but Gardner Minchew, QB34, like there's just so many examples of quarterbacks for me. To me, they're the easiest to identify because it's glaring. It's obvious. There's just quarterbacks that have like a stink. We talked about this on the show last week. Derek Carr's going to cost them $51 million to not play for the Saints next year, right? So you're getting him at the 12th round because he's icky and gross.

Daniel Jones, maybe he doesn't play past this year. but I don't see Drew Locke coming in and playing this year. That's not something that I see. And even if I did, you can just take your shot on Drewlock later. It just, to me, it's the easiest position to identify. And it's my favorite position to hammer and drafts. So is there a position you feel stronger about being able to identify, Jacob? Because I know you are, you have, I should say, started to turn more of the running back leaf than the wide receiver leaf.

So is that just an easier identifier for you or how do you play that out? Well, in the context of these ADP beaters that I'm drafting, it's usually the running back positions where I probably target them most frequently. But that's more of a structural thing, right? I think whenever you're filling out your draft and I'll kind of do the zoom out of like, what do I think is the purpose of one of these like quote unquote ADP beaters? You know, when do we want to be trying to target me? Medians. And I think it's an interesting inflection point where you go through your dynasty draft

and in my opinion at least at the top, at the top few rounds, really your most important objective I think should be preservation of buying power. You want to make strong bets that are going to be able to sustain their worth on your team for a long time. It allows you to be more flexible in the rest of your build. It allows you to maintain value on your team over multiple years. And then I think it kind of gets a little bit interesting in the middle. And, you know, you can go either way. I tend to try to keep going with taking shots on younger players for as long as I can get younger players that project, or at least I project, to be meaningful starting assets.

So, you know, solid rookie options, strong bets going into their second year, pendable starters. I want to make those types of bets because I want to be able to capture that value upside. I want to be to try to smooth out some of the value downside. And then after,

so I tend to bypass some of the real premium scorers in startups, maybe less so in trades. Then you get to this inflection point where the youth bets on the upside, you know, it's clearly a higher bet

on some of these versus some of these more veteran layers. However, I think the overall aggregate starts to swing back towards the veterans. And because I think what we see is once you get past those really strong bats, you don't really have any value insulation left, right? You don't have any value insulation left on like, say, a Christian Watson right now. Certainly as a more appealing upside scenario than a lot of veterans priced around him. But he could just as easily be like around 18 pick next year, right? You think of guys like Jerry Judy or Elijah Moore in recent years that have been kind of

on this bubble, right? That's a true either way type of bet. And that's when I tend to start to go towards some of the veterans, A, because they actually have some degree of safety, you know, especially the wide receiver position. You think of guys like Christian Kirk, Chris Godwin, Terry McLaren, like, those guys are more or less just going to like slide around down in ADP for like the rest of their lives. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to lose a little bit of value. I'm like barring an injury, they're just on a slow, steady value decline. And I think that's where, like, I see the opportunity cost of drafting those points is lower once the bet becomes worse in terms of the young player.

Once I feel like I don't feel like I'm missing out on a potential elevator ride to the top two rounds of startups, that's where I think that median is worthwhile. And then the strength of those median bets just starts to shrink gradually as you get throughout the draft until eventually you get to a point where it's almost meaningless. Like, you know, and it depends on what your format is, totally. Assuming your format's not best ball, you get to a point where it's like, okay, Chris Godwin is an above replacement level player. That's a starter in my lineup.

That's worth something to me. Not worth a ton. That's worth something to me. More, if you have more starters in your lineup, of course. Someone like a Josh Palmer would strike me is when you start getting on the other side of that coin where it's like there's not really a lot of value upside to Palmer, kind of know what he is. He's going to score some points.

He's going to score more points than probably most people he's drafted around. are his points ever getting in my lineup? If I'm not playing best ball, if I'm not playing start 11, right? Like if I'm playing a normal start 9th, is there a purpose here or am I just getting a higher bench player? Because I don't care of my higher scoring bench player.

At that point in time, it's less worth a while for me. I'd rather just take random shots on rookies, right? So because of how I tend to draft, my replacement level of wide receiver is usually pretty high because I'm drafting a lot of wide receivers very early. My replacement level of running back, not so high because I'm probably only drafting one in the first eight, nine, ten rounds. And then I'm just kind of taking, like you said, these ADP beaters.

So if I'm going into a startup, I'm pretty likely to draft Ezekiel Elliott. I'm pretty likely to draft James Connor or Rame Moser or any of these guys. You know, I just, I'm going to start up right now where I drafted, I drafted three quarterbacks, the first four rounds. I drafted Kyler, Dack, and Drake May was still there on the fourth. So obviously, I was going to skip him up. And I drafted plenty of wide receivers. I think I had five wide receivers pretty early.

My first running back was James Cook. I didn't draft my second running back until Jalen Warren in the 11th. And then I went and got, I think, one or two more receivers. So I only had like two running backs for like 13. But I was set everywhere else. And so that's where I was like, yeah, I'll take Zeke. I'll take Gus Edwards. I don't mind just like burning through these running back slots.

That actually has utility to me. So because of how I draft more commonly the running back position, but I think if you, if you, for whatever reason, a draft falls where you end up doing things the inverse way, you know, maybe a circumstance where this would happen for me is you're in a league with like

crazy juiced up settings at tight under quarterback. Nobody else realizes it. You know, no other else is a normal startup, but you've realized the scoring settings really favor a particular one Z position. And you're, you're just going to hammer. that position, you're going to make the bet that eventually people will realize that they

were drafting inefficiently and they'll want to make some trades. So then you got to think about like, okay, I'm never clicking wide receivers, but I still need to get to three somehow. I only drafted one in the first eight rounds because I took like three tight ends because it was full point premium and an extra point five for first down or something. That's when all of a sudden your replacement level on those wide receivers really dropped. That's when Tyler Lockett starts to look pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, he does. and starts to look pretty good because all of a sudden your replacement level at that position

is really dropped. No. So the part that I just want to maybe touch on a little more, you mentioned that there's just a part when you get these guys that they're more likely to just be bench players.

You're going to hammer the opportunity for rookies. Man, there's just a point in drafts, I feel like, where there's always the person you're playing against who just is, laughing at the rest of the league for letting him get, you know, Cortland Sutton in like the 12th round when there are still rookies on the field. I feel like there is a big disparity in when that line is to me.

We got asked in the Discord today, and I feel like this is just a good kind of end topic for this bit. But I got asked, where's the cutoff between like roster clogger and sleeper? because it does get to a point where players become more detrimental to your team than anything else. And you kind of touched on it, Jacob, when you talked about guys like Josh Palmer. People are really big Josh Palmer people for whatever reason, and I'm just not. But I don't necessarily think that he's like a roster clogger.

So I'll throw to Lucas first. What's the cutoff between like a true roster clogger for you? Dang, that's a really tough question. Especially like I saw what you were talking on Twitter about. I think it was about Tank Bixby. Yeah, that whole tank. Yeah, that tank thing I thought was pretty interesting. So I feel like roster cloggers are, you know what they are.

and they're not going to change from that, whereas I still want people who are going to have a little bit of the unknown, like the sleepers that might still be sitting there. I know it's very easy to, you know, do that with some of these like rookies, just looking through some of the ADPs right now. It's really tough, though, especially with the way that I play Dynasty, is that all of these roster cloggers, are actually sitting there, you still have that little bit of hope.

Stop having that hope. I know, I know, man. We might need to have an intervention at some point. Like, Miles Sanders. Yeah, Miles Sanders, he's done. Like, just stop it. Get some help, right? This is a Michael Jordan meme.

But, and not to spoil something for later, but you see somebody like Jolani Woods, who I know that D-Bro is very high on. Everybody in on this Jolani Woods thing. That's somebody who I'm not going to. considering a roster clogger at this point. Thomas, you probably do. Maybe they play for the Colts. Their position is tight end.

They're a roster clogger. You're already lost. It's Mallory. It's Kylie Granson. It's, it's no one and everyone. It's no one and it's everyone. Delaney Woods.

They're all the same person. I see someone like Elijah Moore. That's somebody that I've moved to roster cloggers. Yes. All right. Do not let Scott Barrett talk you into it again. Shout out. Rashad Bateman, Bindles.

He is like. If we were making, if this episode is on Roster Cloggers, Rashad Bainman is the cover image of roster cluck. I have been capitalizing so much on Rishad Bateman this offseason because I couldn't ever get rid of him. There's just a list of guys. Jonathan Mingo, Tyler Boyd, Greg Dorch, O'Dell Beckham, Rondell Moore, Jacoby Brissette, Elijah Moore, Traylon Burks, Adam Thieland,

Jalen Hyatt. He's reflexed honesty league. he's going to start probably half the season. Brother, you're, to start a receiver if you're starting Jacoby Brissette with that team. No, you get 15 points per game out of Jacoby Preset. No, I really don't think so. Drake May would struggle to get 15 points per game in that offense.

I'm going to take a less athletic, not good Jacoby percent. Kobe Percette for as long as he starts, which like probably won't be in the fantasy playoffs, so limited value. But for for half a season, he probably won't be meaningfully different than Derek Carr. If you have, look at this. if you have him and you have someone in your league that likes Jacoby Berset like Jacob does. I'm going to pay anything for him.

Try to trade him to that guy. I just don't care. I have one team where my only quarterbacks are Patrick Mahomes and Drake May. And I would trade a fourth for Jacoby Berset in that scenario. I would immediately try to ship it off. There's just so many. Yeah, Bindle City sold Bresset for two recently. That's just, I saw somebody,

I saw somebody trade a fourth for. Horner, like the backup in New Orleans. And I'm just, Hayner. Hainer, that's the one. And I just couldn't believe it. I think he's like a four stringer now. Yeah. So there's a market for these whatever quarterbacks. It just, if Brissette's the guy

starting for you, your team's probably already lost. Brian, you're being unreasonable. Yeah, that's, that's insane. So that's, that's insane. But the way that we're talking about them, though, kind of just shows just how ill-defined a roster clogger from a sleeper.

I feel like, fair enough, fair enough. But I think that that shows that whenever you're filling out the back end of your bench, I feel like we get too attached to some of these players

that we might have priors on that we might think could be a sleeper, even though, you know, they're in this. People get thirsty for quarterbacks real quick, real quick.

Like, why? It's a super flex. Play a receiver and you'll have the same upside possibility. Stop thirsting. No, you know what? This episode has changed. Can we stop?

Can we? I don't care about floor. If you're worried about 14 points or 15 points per game from your quarterback being the difference, that game is already lost. Yeah, compared to your wide receiver six. That's a pretty meaningful difference. Already lost, bro. Like it just like, no.

And then, but to the point where you're. paying anything for them. Get out of here, dude. Like, it just, it's very hard to be worth it at that price. Just pay up and get someone real. Not a fake quarterback. Jacoby Resett's a fake quarterback. Well, no, look, I mean, paying it too for Jacoby Reset is obviously, uh, ridiculous.

Uh, but paying anything. I'll, yeah, give me, I'll pay a four if I don't have. I'll give you, I'll give you five fab. The next scenario. And I also said, uh, Brian said, we're not saying people should be Thursday saying they are. I got to tell you from experience, it is pulling teeth to get

anything for a quarterback in any league that I'm in. I don't know where these leagues exist. I'm in a lot of them, but there's nobody sitting there like chomping at the bit to like pay a fourth for some quarterback because the answer I always get back is like

I'll just play a receiver. As soon as we get a couple weeks into the season. I mean, I don't know how many Josh Dobbs trades I made last year in both directions. it would have had to have been over 30 combined. Like the amount of times that I bought Josh Dobbs for three, sold Josh Jobs for three, bought for four, sold for four, sold for two. Like just the sisterhood of the traveling Josh Dobbs last year was extreme.

Gardner Minshew, Taylor Heineke, like moving all sorts of all sorts of guys. Also, Tyler, shout out. Tyler, he said something sexually inappropriate as he usually does. which I got to appreciate. And he also says to everybody to slam the like. So I agree with that. That's right. Don't be a chat. Clagger.

Slam the like button. Because we need it. We're going to talk more about this when we get on the other side of this break. Because I didn't expect a quarterback tangent. Well, Lucas talked about how difficult it is to define. I want to define roster clogger before we go to break. Okay.

Define roster clogger. Well, yeah, we went too long on a rant. I got to be a company, man. We can do the break first if you want. No, no, go ahead.

No, I wouldn't want to interrupt. I wouldn't want to interrupt your train of thought in this next 20-minute-long explanation. All right. Okay. So my, thanks, Dad. So my thought is pretty simple. I think it's can this player reasonably or contingently project to be in your starting lineup? And I think because of that, it's a little hard for me to consider most.

most quarterbacks and running backs to be roster cloggers. Because generally in Superflex Dynasty, almost any backup quarterback is one injury away from being in your Superflex spot. And at the running back position, you know, we're always one or two injuries away from starting like truly heinous individuals. But at the wide receiver in tight end position, there are plenty of guys, you know, who would fit this definition of just there's not really any contingent upside with them because their main issue is lack of talent, not lack of routes.

And they just don't reasonably project to get into your lineup. This is why, you know, I go back to the Samajai P line, which is basically the roster-clogger line, which is like any wide receiver below this threshold, just grab whatever backup running back, any running back on a 53. I think the players that most commonly become roster cloggers are the guys that we were discussing like Lucas before, which is the players we once had hopes for that were valued prospects who didn't work out

where we just don't feel like we can cut them. But you also know you're never going to play them. We're talking about Bateman, Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore. A lot of more. Maybe I won't pronounce all of these guys roster cloggers, but it's heading this direction on your Wondale Robinson, on your Jalen Hyatt, on your Quentin Johnston,

Traillen Burks, John Dotson. Like, it's just that these are, these are the guys, you know, honestly, probably Jerry Judy.

Like, that's a lot of draft picks there. Oh, gosh. Right, that's, that's the thing where it's like, because they're literally clogging your roster.

Like, you don't feel comfortable cutting them. That's the, that's the beauty of the shitty running back is, Okay, I picked up Keonti Ingram. Oh, he got waived. Okay, I caught him. You know, there's no mental conflict on that.

But like, you'll be staring at the drop button on Rondell Moore just constantly, just unwilling to do it. Which, that's the concern. So they're the ones clogging it up. Don't roster them. You know, simply, simply do the, hey, 24-hour flash sale, take a little stick I can get, and then purge, and then they're done. You know, most of my teams outside of best ball leagues, I probably only have like eight wide receivers total on the roster, maybe barring taxi squads.

Because if you're getting the better use of that Rondale Moore slot is just going to be literally any rookie or like literally any backup in a contingency base position running back in quarterback. And I feel like if you're looking at player and you're trying to determine whether or not they're a roster clogger. or a sleeper and they're that far down your bench and they're that far down ADP, you don't need to be committed to these players if they're coming up in trades. If you can throw one of them in to get a trade done, might as well. Like I know though that a lot of times, especially for newer dynasty managers, wherever you invest a pick in someone, it is so tough to move off of that person. Yeah.

For really anything. I know that that was one of the biggest things I struggled with whenever I first started playing Dynasty is I made this pick. I said that this person's going to be good and I don't want to move off of them because what if they do eventually become good? Because as the saying, I think it's like, you're never wrong. You just have to wait until you're right. I know I butcher that. Yeah, you're never wrong. Only early.

Yeah, exactly. So I do think, though, that we need to normalize us as dynasty managers, be. willing to move past all of these different players. I think part of that comes from if you're, I know we talk about this a lot in terms of like willingness to roster X amount of players to a percentage for a portfolio. If you're in a lot of leagues, it becomes a lot easier to let these guys go.

But I know that players who are not in a lot of leagues have a very hard time letting a lot of these favorites go. and then you get like one piece of news from one of your favorite analysts that say this player is definitely breaking out. And then you hold on to them and then they have like one game early and you just hold on to that for another eight weeks. And then, you know, it's very easy to see the spiral for holding on to a player. It's very easy. You want to remember them in their best light. X player had three great games in 2021.

And then you're like, yeah, but then these. 35 things happened in between and if he could just get past the next five he's going to really have an opportunity to break out and that's that to me is the definition of a roster clogger where a sleeper is just somebody that doesn't have a high probability of hitting but man is it possible Kyrin Williams for me is an example of this

where I was so adamant that Kiron Williams was a roster clogger was never going to do anything, never could do anything, didn't want to roster him. He is a sleeper. He was a guy that, you know, was, quote, slept on for most of the community. He ended up paying off in a big way where roster clogger is like, I don't know, Evan Hull to me, right? It's just the likelihood of him doing anything.

Because because all we need is two things to break. And he's in my line up. I need him to beat out Tray Sermon. And I need John. and Taylor to get hurt. Those two things are, I mean, not super likely, but they're very possible. Okay.

I would say it's more possible than Rondell Moore getting better at football. Or Kenny Gainwell would then be an example. Evan Hall just popped up first when I went and looked. I don't know if I think any running back to the roster clogger. What's that? I don't think I think any running back is a roster clogger. You need help them. There's just, yeah, there's some guys that no matter what won't matter, bro.

On their best day, they won't matter. I don't know. There's just some guys. Bad running back for 15 points. Yeah, but you have to put them in on the week that they do that. We've seen guys like Madison. We've seen guys like Madison who are like, he's the backup, he's going to be really good. And then he gets his shot.

And then he's very good. He's bad when he gets the opportunity. Madison, when he was just the backup, was a top 24 running back, like 80% of the weeks that Dalvin Cook missed. Then he said Madison can be the starter. Then he was terrible. but Madison as the fill-in guy was pretty reliable. I don't know. He had a couple odd weeks.

He had a couple of weeks, but far more stud weeks. I remember looking into this last year. Yeah, he had four really good games on that team in 2021. So maybe, but. And pretty easy to predict. Because if Delvin Cook is playing,

then you're not playing Madison. And if Cook's not playing? I don't know. I feel like he wasn't a lock-in start for a lot of those weeks either. But, hey, I think you and I just have, we have very different, very different opinions on this that we will hit when we actually come back from this break, a break that we are taking 15 minutes late.

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Like you don't think a running back can be a roster clogger. And I firmly believe that it gets to a point where you have to, if you're not playing in a best ball format, which in a best ball format, I've agreed with you for a long time on this. But in an actual start league, you have to put the right backup running back in that it's not always. clear who the actual guy is going to be. I think it's just not. I think in a bestball format is where I don't just want my bench to be a bunch of backup running backs because like the problem with these backup running backs is is that most of the time the starter is healthy and then they score zero points.

Whereas like DJ Chark for I don't know, Josh Reynolds for instance. People don't want to hear it. Josh Reynolds is going to run like 65% of the routes on the Denver Broncos this year. He will probably at some point in the season have two to three weeks of above 10 points per game. Don't ask me to tell you when those are going to be. And there's not really going to be a meaningful change in the circumstances where we can predict them. So in a managed league, he is entirely useless to me and I would never roster him. In a best ball league, I would roster Josh Reynolds and just let him sit there and happen to wind up in my lineup by accident.

Like I would rather roster Josh Reynolds in that league, for instance, than say, like, I don't know, Lewis Reese is a meet. Like the random chiefs rugby player who like will probably score zero fantasy points this entire year. But in a managed league, like, I don't know,

give me the random rugby guy. And then like if he gets cut, I'll just like cut in from my roster and pick up some other random guy. Like I, that's fine to me. Because there it is more predictable. I mean, yeah,

not perfectly. We'll always have, AJ Dylan was like I someone brought up in the chat. That was a great example. of a backup who got inserted into the starting role and was still like not at all worth starting. Terrible. You know, there are certainly guys like that. But just from like a projection standpoint, like a lot of these backup running backs,

it is more binary where they either project for basically nothing or you walk into your DFS projection app Sunday morning and they project like three points worse than actual every week starters with the variance style turned up a little bit and it's more predictable. So I push back on the best ball thing. I think best ball, best ball you want just guys that have like projectable roles all the time, even if those rules suck because just the natural variance, sometimes you'll caps the right side of the standard deviation. Whereas in standard scoring, like all you care about is like what is the median projection. And so someone who has a median projection of two, 14 weeks, and 13, three weeks is worth rostering. Oh, man.

I don't know. I don't know. Like, you said a lot of good things, but then my brain just wants to go to this backup running back. It better have a phenomenal matchup for it to matter. I know Bindle's mentioned like Madison used to kill the Lions and Seahawks ass defenses. Yeah, those are games that you probably want to target that guy. I just think that most backup running backs are irrelevant when they actually get in and get to play.

And there are also a lot of situations where that running back gets hurt for that game. Now that player, this is the difference between best ball and a regular start-in-l lineup type league. You get that player for the game. And then the next week now that backfield is just like a rotational split until back A is healthy 100%. And you don't actually get that usage. So you start the backup. And then he doesn't even get a full snapshot. It just, I think there are just specific backups, again, that we can like know.

knowingly target. I think these guys like Kenneth Gainwell. Like we just we know we know it's he's not going to be a thing. I think that you're overestimating how good you have to be. So here's I recently did this piece and this is like not not a article that I intended for this purpose, but I think it is now. Charbonnese, where I went through and I picked out the any player who scored 25 plus half PPR

points during the best ball playoffs. best ball mania was launched. So this is like obviously a way higher standard than you just need to start them in your lineup. We're talking about massive like league defining spike weeks. Yeah. But listen to the wide receivers who went and qualified for this. At some point, C.D. Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Devonthe Adams, Calvin Ridley,

DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, Stefan Diggs, Evans again, AJ Brown, Dek-McCaff, Mari Cooper Cooper Cup, Brandon Cooks, T. Higgins, Jamar Chase, if I go all the way down, the only one who I put in this bucket of like basically a random guy or late round picks, KJ Osborne did it. That was completely random and like a total guy that you probably never would have

started that week. And then the other ones were guys like Zay Jones who had become kind of a weekly starter by the end of that year in 2023. Amun Ross St. Brown, who obviously had become a weekly starter by the end of his rookie year. Listen to some of the running backs who did. There's a bunch of studs. I won't name all the studs.

Similar amount of names is wide receivers. Here's some of the dudes who've done, this is an insane performance. This is 25 plus half PPR points. Just in a playoff week. Rashad Penny, Miles Gaskin, Jerome Ford,

Duke Johnson, Rex Burkhead, Justin Jackson, Samage P. Ryan, was old school, Tony Pollard, Jeff Wilson,

AJ Dylan. Even AJ Dylan, the guy we just said was unplayable, has actually done that. Like, you're telling me, Rex Burkhead as like a higher tier of talent than some of these dweeds like I don't know man like

there are some shitty ass running backs that have put up some big weeks like Justin Jackson was the most important running back in all fantasy football in the semi-finals of 2021 and then like that was like his last NFL game like he was just no longer in the league he scored like 35 points that I'm out of here um and shout out Justin Jackson a legendary poster and a a true socialist icon, but like, knocked out of football. I just happened to do it.

He was the Jacob Sanderson favorite. Yeah, of course. For quite a while. I think, look, I get your point. I would like to know what the actual, like,

starter percentage were for those games. Like, how many people actually put them in over some vet or guy that they had already had? Right? That's what I really want to bring. down because it is Justin Jackson in the big billion

occasional. I know you did. I'm just saying I think I think it's like yeah, well that back up, you know, running back really played well. Obviously everyone played them. I don't think that that's the case. But if you're just talking about pure opportunity, okay, I can get that.

But I still think it gets to a point where these running backs are indeed just not worthy of rostering. Well, it goes to how you build your team because you're like, Look it out. Look at what Scott, right? We had Scott on the pod, what a year ago. Yeah. And we, we had the great debate that actually, that show led us to doing this show here, if we're really being honest. It was the great debate between do we want to roster nothing but wide receivers or this is the, you know, the creation of the P line, right? Like this is really the difference in building, like you said.

Goes to how you want to build your team, I think is the big thing. Like you want to look at what the replacement level is of your team. If you are building teams like Scott and you have legitimate Belkow running backs on your team, especially if you have like three or four of them, then you're right. Then there is no place for these running backs to wind up in your lineup. Because if you have Breece Hall, Jemir Gibbs, and I don't know, Ken Walker and Joe Mix it, whatever else, like, you have just a bunch of actual running backs, then like it doesn't, then you're right.

It doesn't matter if you're rostering. Chris Rodriguez and it's week 14 and Brian Robinson's on the IR and Echler's only playing third down snaps. Like, okay, am I playing Chris Rodriguez ahead of Joe Mixon, Brice Hall or Kenwa? I'm probably not. So then it's irrelevant that he's getting that advantage for you. But if you've built your team in other ways where all of your capital is being allocated out to quarterback to tight end, a wide receiver, then you've left yourself kind of openings,

which is just usually how I, like, usually those running backs are my luxury pieces. Like, unless I'm able to have the value where I'm building a super team, I'm just leaving RB2 open effectively knowing like at some point in time, I'm going to be sitting there on Sunday morning choosing one of Deontah Foreman or Gus Edwards for this spot for the 50 year in row. Like that's, that's going to be what's going to be happening. That's just such a wild choice to also be sitting with. But, I mean, it sounds like it's been working.

Every year it is that choice, dude. Like, I have so much, I've always had so much of those two dudes. And they do the same thing every year, which is they're free. And then they, like, project for 11 points per game starting, like, in week eight. And then I'm like, oh, which one am I going to pick this week? And it's the same bat. It's like, which one's going to find the freaking end zone? And I think that's also, like, that's a really important thing that you've been bringing up is maybe that's just another way that we should really be rostering our teams is,

you don't need to be worrying about who you're going to be shuffling in at wide receiver. Take advantage of being able to spend all of these luxury picks higher up on your top tier wide receivers because we say that's so flat between what like wide receiver 12 through almost wide receiver 36 of the wide receivers just being the same load up there. Get the elite wide receiver, fill those up and then start getting all these back in running backs. Thomas and I were talking before the show. Once you get into round nine, the price that you're paying for the running back starting there really isn't bad. And I don't know if there's another bad running back the rest of the draft after that in terms of what you're having to actually pay.

And back to like kind of, you know, the overarching thing that we've been talking about on the show, ADP beaters versus sleepers. I think that there's a lot of ADP beaters right there. but that's also where you get all these fun sleepers in. Thomas, you're looking on judgingly. So now. I just think there's so much hope for these ass running backs, like just so much and so few of them actually end up mattering that I just would rather take shots on rookie wide receivers,

these late round, hell, I'd rather take shots on late round tight ends than a lot of these super ass running backs. like I would I would rather roster Sam Darnold over over Ken Walker that's not because I'm a Sam Darnold truther who remembers his

his QB1 opportunity Wait did you say you'd rather roster Sam Darnold over Ken Walker I meant Kenneth Gainwell let's relax I was like look I know you like Sam Donald that's a little aggressive It's been a long day Okay it's but

but Sam Donald has more league winning weeks than Ken Walker has in his career. So, I mean, take that for what you will. But like, anyway, like I'd rather roster Tyler Conklin, right? Like, I would rather even roster Jacobs boy, Greg Dulcich, who I generally don't like. Noah Fant, Hunter Henry, Tassum Hill, Jared Wiley. Like, these are just guys I would rather roster over any of these running backs, uh, personally, because they're opportunity, uh, needy players.

that actually have a chance to gain value where, again, I just don't think these running backs do. So I think this is just going to be a philosophical difference here. I don't want the gain wells and these just Evan Hulls and yeah, I just don't want. Like even gets to a point where guys like Deuce Von, Eric Gray, Dante Foreman, like, I just know thank you, right? Like, not for me.

It's not for me. Bindle says Foreman live for 2 20 point games per season That is a player you never have to convince me to roster Because I have been a foreman guy Since before he blew his legs out in college Loved that guy And I'm big on him

Yeah What's that sorry? Go ahead Never mind sorry I thought you were wrapping up But then I caught you off rudely Yes well I mean that does that does tend to happen do you have I know we so we did talk about whether or not we're going to have some players that we liked as sleepers or ADP beaters. I think the actual philosophical portion of this went a little longer than I actually had anticipated. And for everyone pops on beater and sleeper.

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You're all wonderful for the chat. Drop a comment on the video itself. It helps us out quite a lot. Bindle says three-leg Greg certified sleeper. Ray Davis sleeper. Alex wants to know, but what is the utility or upside of those ass tight ends? you're not rostering the RBs for upside or value.

It's the opportunity. Tight end to me, in my experience, the upside to rostering those guys is I have always found it easier to move a tight end than a running back when their production

starts to outweigh what their cost was. You're talking about people being needy for quarterbacks. People are very needy for tight ends. And if any of these young, not saying the Hunter Henry, is like, let's say young because he's not. But in my experience playing the game,

I have had an easier time stacking value off late round tight ends and quarterbacks than I ever have for running back. Yeah, tight end is a good place to look for random darts. Because again, it goes back to like... Like great dose of running back, like five games. Running back, we have a reasonable ability to project volume

and then to change, and then that projection becomes very volatile when there's injuries, which is the appeal. Wide receiver is the hardest because the projection depends the most on talent and we have, you know, beyond like rookies. Like when I'm saying don't roster these guys, I'm not applying this to rookies. Like by all means, take a stab on like a Johnny Wilson or whatever for your last roster spot. A guy we don't know anything about. But once we actually have a sample on these wide receivers, we kind of know that it doesn't really matter what happens around them.

They just aren't good and they aren't going to be startable. tight end just like random ass dudes kind of happen all the time it's just like so uh i have a great way to use your last few ross response is on eric all theo johnson um i mean i don't know we were talking with jollani woods and like sure you know why not um like if you just if you just tack on like three total dart throw athletic tight ends that that's a totally reasonable thing to do and They will probably be nothing, but sometimes they just come out of there. And all of a sudden it's like, like, you know, Jake Ferguson was like a guy who wasn't rostered like three years ago.

And like, you know, then now he becomes a guy that has legitimate value. Like Logan Thomas started off as a guy who was a total waiver wire fodder. Darren Waller was once upon a time total waiver wire fodder. Like tight ends pretty often have runs. You know, those are usually guys you want to get off once they actually. pop they don't they're not necessarily guys that stick around but um it's not at all uncommon for tight ends to be mid mid mid tight end ones for like a year or two um who were previously on waivers you say dulcich had a very short run right in his first year and jacob you you wanted it vaulted

him all the way up again i mean like i like i like i'm just saying it happens as he's been injured and yeah i mean i was going to bring him up as a guy that i think everyone should go get on their team now. Isaiah likely another one? There's no one else there in Denver. Like, it's just the same group of random guys. It's like troutman and crawl.

Their wide receivers suck. Like, you know, Dolson's probably going to be anything after like missing the entire season with two different hamstring injuries. Like, probably not. That tends to stunt a career.

But the cost of nothing, I would certainly put him on my roster. You know, it's an athletic guy. He's shown some production. There's opportunity there. Well, with that, let's talk about some players that we do or don't think are fantasy sleepers slash fantasy ADP beaters and whether we do or don't want to roster them. I have a couple of players here that I'm going to, I'm going to rattle off that are hot.

They're very hot in the Twitter. You just rattle them off and me and we'll say which one we think. That's what I'm thinking because. 80P be a roster clogger or sleeper. Right. And are we believing or not, right? That's two-parted to this. because that portion,

I cannot speak today. It has been a long day. I'm going to get it together here as we go before the game here. All right. We're going to test the Twitter Industrial Complex and the fantasy content creator industrial complex on this.

I'm obviously going to kick it off with like the most polarizing figure in the dynasty community with Jameson Williams. He has been touted as an absolute, breakout must have this is the year do we believe or do we not believe that he is either a is he a roster clogger is he a sleeper is he an absolutely no way i mean he's not a roster clogger because like i wouldn't literally cut him like if someone like i would i would certainly roster him at

a price so i don't think he's a roster clogger but um i think he is just going to be a bus um okay most likely scenario as we're sitting here next year and i am saying he's a roster clogger that you can cut. You know what? I'm going to be hopeful. I'm going to say Sleeper. He is one of the players that I originally wrote down as, especially at Wide Receiver 48. Yeah, give me that all day. I'm going to take flyers there on somebody like that. Like, that's the profile I really like there.

But I'm also on Forever Rebuilding Teams. So, yeah, that's a perfect player for my Forever Rebuilding Teams. So players going right after him include Keenan Allen. I'll take absolutely. I'll take Polk. I'll take Downs. I'll take Franklin. I'll take, yeah, well, maybe not,

maybe not Roman Wilson. Maybe Roman Wilson. Probably rather have Hopkins on certain teams and deep formats. I'd rather have Burton. Yeah. Interesting. I'm going to say, I'm going to say that he beats his ADP this year,

but is also not a fantasy sleeper. So we got all three, I think, pretty much. Well, we did ever say roster clogger. That's for next season. He's too high value to be a clogger. Like if he was like wide receiver 80, I'd probably even label him a buy. Right. I think he'll,

I think he'll be good enough to kind of beat this ADP because I feel like there's just some other receivers. I mean, it's going to be actually like A.D. Mitchell. I think he'll beat A.D. Mitchell. I mean, his best ball ADP is like not cheap. So there's, there's seasonal expectations for Jameson. He's going. Right. But that's where I said he's not a sleeper because the people that have them believe.

like he is he's breaking out for me his breakout is like Gabe Davis is his probably his peak like that is to me what he will max out as as a player I don't think you'll get beyond that but that would also beat his ADP so that's why I'm going to say I believe he'll be his ADP he's not really technically a sleeper I just think he's just going to be overpriced by the end of this year I'll put it to you that way I don't have have an issue with his cost right now i'll just put that out in the air all right that's one uh what what's another one let's go quinton johnston uh caught him rostler clogger sleeper adp beater don't literally caught him because there's some weirdos out there who will actually give you something for it but like

take literally anything no i'm going to say adp beater not a true sleeper i you're actually giving them like you think he's going to be worth i don't know i think i think i think think this is one of those cases where I think the running backs will actually outdo him. Yeah, I would trade him for whatever I possibly I don't think there's any hope. I think that he's, I think it's over. I think it's so over

for Quentin Johnson. Take out the plunger. I think I think next year there's a very real chance. He's like down in Wondale Robinson territory. The ADP beater if they use him right. This is still a Greg Roman lit offense guys. And there's just

other receivers. that are better. Greg Roman is the least of his problems. He can't play football. He could be on the Kansas City Chiefs, and all of the rest of the wide receivers could contract polio, and I still don't think you would have 100 yards. In a game or for the season?

In a game. It's a temporary. I need to know how extreme. He is the only wide receiver, and they run 13 personnel for the entire year, and Patrick Mohamed's plays every game. I think he could get 100 yards for the season. I think that he has the out within him. I think I might be able to too. Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay.

Oh, Lucas. Lucas, you had some play. Not now, man. You've seen me lately. There's no, there's no hope in these streets. I need to, I need to slim down to playing weight and have knees that aren't broken. But Lucas, you had some players here. Hit me with a few. All right. Dontavian Wicks. wide receiver is 64 you can't you can't call thought davy wicks a sleeper where he's probably like the most mentioned player on twitter in 2020 but that's why we're

testing the industrial complex sleeper 80p builder beater overrated we can say instead of roster clogger because we know right I love wicks though that cost is he doesn't go wider 64 in my drafts that's for sure

trade him for a backup running back yeah I would take I would trade quentin Johnson for like anyone one literally anyone. Yeah, I'm in on Wix. I mean, I think his price is great. I think I think his price is great. I'll say I'm in moving on.

Marvin Mims. Why receiver 73? Dead. Get them off my roster. See you. Oh, okay. So I'm still holding off some hope just because of how open the target competition I think is there.

So fair enough though. Like I have no issue throwing him in and trades, but fair enough. All right. Going a little bit deeper here. Tideon 40, Daniel Bell and year he's literally i'll keep them i've realized he's a roster clogger on their NFL franchise no no you see you you quote tweet one report from a dude that said he he doesn't think he makes victory laps on daniel belliger yeah where comes out that he's not going to make the team you're

damn right by one guy i've seen i've seen other reports sir all right we have conflicting reports here first team snaps with some guy named lawrence cajer yeah because it was quote for to help them develop mentally because they're they already know that bellinger knows what he's doing like let's let's read into the weeds here jacob god to end on something more positive i i think there'll be a unanimous uh statement here jel mcglofflin running back 61 oh yeah we're liking that so i mean sleeper i like him but i do have some fears that he actually might be the rare roster clogging running back where you might just have he might just have you might just have a roll. Like you might just have a 25% snap satellite roll.

Is this just because? And it doesn't get any contingent value. That's possible. Is this because you're so like backed into liking Javonte Williams that you can't see the possibility that McLaughlin is just better? I don't think it matters if he's better. Like he's just, he's 180 pounds and he doesn't pass protect. Like I, I mean, we know with Peyton backfields it's going to be some form of committee. He's always run some form of committee. That's fine because he has. rules bro right that i mean that might be the role um and it doesn't matter that he has because he has like such ridiculously high xfp for running backs that we we usually end up liking

multiple running backs in his offense i'm in on every denver running back uh i'm probably my concern is this is transition into my sleeper which is estimating um i don't fully buy this givante fad like i'm i'm going to be more javanti interested than uh certain than Tom and then a lot of people. But it's totally possible that that is real. If the Giovante Fudd is legit, I think a lot of people are going to McLaughlin. And I just don't really see that as being as connected.

To me, McLaughlin has a role in this offense. He's going to be a situational utility player. It's going to be the Darren Sprouls, the Pierre Thomas, like that kind of role. Right. And then I think what happens on the early downs and the goal line situations, I just, I think,

exists outside of him. And if Javante is losing ground on that side of the aisle, I think that goes to Estimate. So I think I'm interested in every running back in a Sean Payton backfield at all times. So I'm in on all of them. I'm in on including Blake Watson. Right. I'm worried on all four. But I think Estimate is the way where I would play it, where I think you're getting a lot of negative Javante headlines.

But I think most of the price. boost is going to McLaughlin and I think that Estimates the one who actually benefits the most from it. There's actually been a bit of a curve here at fantasy points behind the scenes in the projection meetings for the Broncos

where it's actually kind of turning a little bit pro Giovante. I'm still not. I think his price is still kind of wild and what his upside would be but there are some positive reports starting to swing by so no I think you're right. I think

sleeper for McLaughlin is the right is the right call. I'm not going to be overly bullish let's say. All right. For one less, like this being the dynasty show like I tweet a lot about Javante. I'm like fine with his dynasty price where I'm drafting a lot of him

is in the best ball streets where he's just like a lot cheaper. Yeah, right now he's going right in between Amari Cooper and Christian Kirk and I'd rather have both those wide receivers. Yeah. And he's he's a round 10 pick right now in best ball he goes behind guys like deaf and single terry um yeah see that yeah i'm it's a very different price point so um i don't have an

issue with his dynasty price i'm i'm like not against it but i'm not really slamming it either um but it's best ball where i consider really right and and per marty nine says probably where i want to play it ruined up per mar 99 says estimate is the number four 80p fall of the last two weeks yeah again positive reports about mclaughlin is is kind of why i I feel like is driving that up. And then Brandon Craft says J-Mo will not break out until he's traded. He's not part of the game plan in Detroit. I think part of that is because he lacks kind of some of the things he needs to be able to do for the position he plays, which is play-wide receiver.

I think that's kind of what's made him not part of the plan. But I think in terms of like him breaking out and what he would need to have, I just think more skill at the position is probably, he's got speed for days, but speed doesn't always mean you can play a good wide receiver. For a true breakout anyway, but for him, I think Gabe Davis would be like an actual breakout for him,

honestly, with what he's dealt with at this point. I feel like in that case, breakout needs to just be kind of talked about a little bit differently. Breakout doesn't necessarily mean he's got to be like wide receiver 10, you know what I mean. All right, Lucas, last player. All right.

Last player, I'm going to do another wide receiver, Rashid. No. My receiver 67. No. Oh, okay. I mean, wherever I'm looking on Twitter right now,

I see a lot of people might just be the best ball. It's just not. It's getting people excited. It's only Scott. It's only Scott. Like, it's only Scott. Like,

let's, it's Scott. He was on the show and he tried to fake, argue Shaheed versus is alave and then she heed went out and was like eh like yeah she heed best ball only better in best ball right uh don't care in dynasty like you're not playing that guy he's a fake player you're not playing that guy if he if you're playing she heed it just you need like a 50 point swing to have a chance to win the game and it's just likely it's not how we shit on der car for not being

able to throw deep and stuff all the time and it's like well she heeds really no i can't i can't can't can't new OC is going to matter not enough not enough for for me to care um nuts his quarterback is still the same i don't care i don't care i will say rishit jahid is somebody that i cannot i can't say that he's a roster card at this point it's going to take i think if you're in a start 12 you're already lost uh but i i just i don't care i do not care um i was i'm kind of surprised about how anti-Rashid Shahid are, at least in terms of this. We were begging.

That one does, it surprises me. The dynasty community was begging for James and Winston, James Winston to get into games. So we could get like elite upside Chris Olave on the field. And we didn't get it.

And we were all very sad. Okay. Yeah, just kind of surprised because I'm also taking hearing roster clogger, meaning that you're okay with cutting them. Yeah. Maybe I'm more than okay. I mean,

I guess, okay, well, I guess I'm not, I guess I'm not going to literally cut him, but like, um, I don't know.

Self or whatever you can spiritually use a roster clogger. I have no interest in the service. All right. Fair enough. That is my last player. But I did, I did just want to point out like we, we,

we were begging before I had to deal with the cat climbing somewhere it wasn't supposed to. We were begging last year for like, oh, James Winston could get in and really unlock the wide receivers in this offense. So even if he was upper tier in deep balls last year, it didn't matter.

So people got excited because Spencer Rattler got drafted to New Orleans because he has the arm. He's got an arm that can let the ball go down field. That's what we were excited about. It's not Carr. It's just not Shaheed. No, that offense is just so

weird. I won't say that's a different scouting report than I've seen on Spencer Rattler. It just, again, it was the Twitter industrial complex. Right. I'm not talking about like me specifically or on this program. But it was out there. It's been out there. All right.

That's it. We're done. We're done. We're getting into game time. We're going to be right back. I'm going to do one read. And then we're hitting it. All right.

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but to say the least, it is always entertaining. I'll be tapping into FFPC for the first time in my fantasy football life this year. So I'm looking forward to that. Head over to my FFPC.com. Okay, this is five for five. This is the best game on the fantasy football planet.

Like this is it. And I've had a lot of fun with it because I've been winning it. I've really been able to flex my useless knowledge. So let's you know all those things that my my adopted parents used to say would never matter. Guess what? They matter now. So let's let's talk about it. Let's run through the rules real quick and then dive in.

All right. So every week I host and I pick five players all play fantasy eligible positions. So quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers are tight ends. Shout out to the IDP, bros. Yeah, not on this show. Each of the five players all shares the one thing in common. every week. There's some sort of unifying theme to the proceedings. Beyond that, they each get five clues. The earlier you guess, the more points you get. You guess after one clue,

five points, two clues, four points, et cetera, down to one point. If someone buzzes in and they get it wrong, the other person can either have a free guess or they can preserve the right to guess first in the next round. At the end of all five rounds, whoever has the most points wins. So far, Tom is in the lead with 1.5 victories. Derek Brown has 1.5 victories.

Meet Wad gets a 0.5 for his incredible showing last week. It's true. Getting our first ever first clue. I reached out to him too to get him in the Discord to get them on here for this. And we haven't gotten there yet. So Meet Wad. You got to haul.

All right. So if you are in the chat and you want to play along, feel free. All I ask is that no, if you don't Google anything. Right. You know, if you want to play along, you want to guess, feel like that. Please don't spoil. So we'll trust you in the honor system. If you don't want to guess, you want to, you know, maybe give away clues.

We'll do whatever you want. The guys could either look at the chat. They don't have to look at the chat. We'll let that go as it goes. All right. today all of these players their last name is also a noun okay so these are players whose last name is a word that's a person place or thing it's something that we use already in the common English language aside from as their name okay does that make sense wow so for instance

so for instance like their last name could be something like book or king or you know, et cetera. Right, right, right. Not going to be like Gorsingas. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay.

First player, first clue. Unable to academically qualify for a four-year university. This player only played college football at Ittawamba Community College. I'm already going to pass. Does something like a player from 1955? Like, this is some buffoonery. I'm already going to pass. All right.

I'm going to try buzz in here. We'll see. Tyree Kill. That is incorrect. Good try. I love the aggression. Yeah. That, nah, no, no, no.

I screwed up. Tom gets to guess first on the second clue. Okay. After two years at Idlewamba Community College, he still could not academically qualify and spent the next two years out of football entirely learning how to play the position by renting out a Jerry Rice highlights video from Blockbuster. Oh my God, this isn't older.

I just going to say like I didn't expect anyone to get it on these first two clues, but it's the coolest Wikipedia page of any notable NFL player ever. A notable NFL player couldn't academically get in, had to learn it by Jerry Rice videos that Blockbuster. This has got to be some guy in the 90s. I get a free guess here basically. You get a pretty guess. Yeah.

Got to be in. Yeah. So I'll say, I don't know, let's go, uh, broadsmith. Incorrect. Okay. Although pretty good guess, considering undrafted player. Yeah, I had to take a shot. Yeah.

Lucas, you got anything here? Nope. Don't have anything. I think that's pretty good guess, though. Okay. I thought of a player's first experience in professional football, produce 71 catches and 1450. 55 yards for the Memphis Mad Dogs of the CFL,

where he was eventually recruited to the Kansas City Chiefs. Is it Dante Hall? There's not Dante Hall. I can remember if you played in CFL. Or you can preserve first guess the next round. I'll go to preserve. Let's preserve. All right.

This player's son was a recent eighth overall pick in the NFL draft. Recent eighth overall pick. Yes. Oh, dang. His son was a reason 8th overall pick in the NFL draft. His dad played in the CFL. That's brutal, dude. During the very small period of time in which the CFL had American teams.

Hey, shout out to Baltimore, who won the last championship for American CFL teams with Anthony Calvio, a quarterback. There you go. I don't know. I don't know. So we got to ask, we got to ask, who's dad played wide receiver and who got draft. to the Falcons. It's what we have to ask because they've met the eighth pick forever.

I see panic in there. Five seconds left for a guess. Otherwise we're one of the last clue. Last clue. Give you the last clue. This is insane, these questions. Okay. Despite over 8,000 NFL career receiving yards,

this player might be most known for the use of a cell phone in a touchdown celebration on Sunday night football. Oh, Jason. Oh, it's, Um, it's Joe Horn. That's correct.

Joe Horn for one point. I was like, that's the son that was drafted. Yeah. Yeah. I did not know Joe Horn played in the CFL. Oh my gosh. I had no idea.

Oh, I was even thinking that they wouldn't play wide receiver. That's a, that's a good one. That is really good. I've really thought about Joe Horn. I just have always loved Joe Horn. and I thought he was cool. And then when I came up with this idea of like names as a noun, he was the first name that I thought of.

He was a horn. And then when I read his Wikipedia page, I was like, wow, this guy led a fucking life. Like, this is sick. That's how does this guy big into the NFL? Almost 9,000 career receiving arts. He was part of really fun, uh, teams like the Marcus Colston, um, uh, Saints teams. Like just a lot of fun.

He was on those Aaron Brooks, New Orleans Saints teams. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. That's, that's a good one. All right. Okay, one zero for Tom. Okay, this player was picked 22nd overall.

Oh, my God. After starting for the Indiana Hoosiers throughout his college career. Oh, my God. No, I'm not going to know that how hard pass that. That's insane. I thought the Hoosiers are a basketball school. Well, they're much better at basketball, but that's why he was drafted 22nd overall.

Yeah, I'm going to hold on to my pick here. All right. Okay. This player did not throw his first NFL pass until four years after being drafted and did so for the St. Louis Rams, which already narrows down our time. Kurt Warner? That is incorrect. Oh, I thought he went to an obscure school like that too. Chat, what school did Kurt Warner go to? Three guests or preserve. I don't. I all got right now. Wow. All right. The Rams. No worries. by the way, Kurt Warner went to Northern Iowa.

That's so close, dude, for obscure out of nowhere schools. Oh, my God. This player was traded for a first round pick to the Kansas City Chiefs to be their 2001 starting quarterback. Lucas, you get to guess first here since Tom guessed wrong last round. I'm really sure he knows it. Yeah. So you better get it right here.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. I got to think. I got to think. Oh, gosh. 2001. He's got to have a time limit. Oh,

okay. I'm going to rely on the chat here. Bullshit. This is ass. He just waited. He just sat here waiting until the fucking chat. I'm going to say Trent Green. Yeah.

That is correct. Wow. I'll give you two points and I'm giving one to the chat. I'm docking. Yeah. that's that's fine. Wow. All right.

Two points to Lucas. Wow. I didn't realize it took him that long to throw his first pass. He also played in the CFL, by the way. Wow. I'm never, I'm never guessing first now. This is just what it comes down to.

This is, it is, yeah, the Kurt Warner thing was, that's the first time that a player has been named, who is going to be named in a subsequent clue, because fifth clue, of course, was going to be. Despite his own humble beginnings in the NFL, this player was famously injured,

bringing about an even more unlikely Cinderella quarterback story. All right. Third player, two to one to one for the chat here. Okay. This player had more carries in each of his first three NFL seasons than he ever had in a single season in college at LSU. He had more carries in his first three years. years than he ever had in college. I will remind you both, by the way, since the guesses have not necessarily adhered to this, that there is the noun theme for all of these.

I know. Yeah, I know. Yeah. That one's hard to remember. Well, that's fine. I'm giving the reminder. Yeah.

Your help. More carries than he ever had at LSU. Who were some running backs that came at LSU? I mean, there can't be that many. And didn't touch the ball much. Didn't touch the ball much. I'm still, I can't get past.

how mad I am that I got cheesed on Trent Green. I don't think that this really fits, but I'm going to say Jacob Hester, just being absolutely random here. All right. That is incorrect. Yeah. I know LSU, I was like, ooh, maybe, maybe with the carries there, but. And it's a noun too. I will, I will pass. It's not Lamar Jackson, Depeche. Get out of here. All right. Despite playing five seasons in the NFL. This player only had one season above four yards per carry. Okay, from LSU. I get first crack here.

A noun, a noun. That's like now that's where my brain is. He only spent a shitty noun running back. For a shitty noun running back. I don't know. I will pass. I'm so mad about Trent Green. All right.

I got a pass here too. Well, you don't even get the guess. because Tom locked you out by passing, but either one of you can guess first next round. This player didn't do a lot in his NFL career, but he did leap into our hearts with a 31 carry, 139-yard and touchdown performance in the fantasy playoffs of 2015. A 2015 icon.

Jeremy Hill. I promise you, I didn't add to this crappy player to the clues to prove Tom wrong about rostering bad running backs, but he is a good case study for this. It is not Jeremy Hill. Lucas, that's got to be, because that's a noun too.

So that is a good guess. That is a very good guess. Oh my gosh. That's a good guess. That's a good guess. That's an incredibly good guess. I'm going to give you a point five for that. I'm going to give a point five.

Oh, wow. He was like, like I knew I loved him in Madden. So. Yeah. That gets you point five. That was like,

that was like incredibly good guess. All right. I'm going to have to pass again. This is. Tough. Wow. So you're guaranteed first guess here on the next one. While never a starter, this player did play all five years of his NFL career with the Houston Texans.

Is it Alfred Blue? Alfred Blue is correct. Oh, wow. This is so ass. Yeah, he was a famous. You really appreciated the last clue, which was this player shares each of his names with a famous Batman character and a recent top running recruit of the University of Texas. Very nice. Very nice.

Alfred Blue. Wow. I didn't realize he was from LSU. Okay. All right. So that is three points for Lucas. I didn't know he was from LSU. For Lucas. Four points for Lucas. One and a half for Tom and one for the chat. This is such ass. All right. We have two

players left. This player was the 48th overall pick in the draft of Michigan State University. 48th overall player. Kenneth Walker. Incorrect. I was actually legitimately concerned there for a minute. If he was 48, I'll give you the points.

I know he's second, but if he was literally 48, I will give you half a points. He was 41st. Oh my gosh, so close. All right. I am Michigan State. I will pass. All right.

You get, okay. And the noun, too. That was a good guess. I know. It was a good guess. Okay, I'll give you the same point five as Jeremy Hill. That was about as. No, don't.

He doesn't need the help. You already got this for Trent Green. What are, stop making this fool game. Yeah, I already took a point for that. All right. Okay,

this player's last NFL touchdown was scored for the Baltimore Ravens in 2021. His last NFL touchdown? Yeah. 84th. Overall, 2001. 48th overall. For Michigan State.

Who was on that 2001 championship team that did not score a lot of touchdowns? Oh, 2021. Oh, then I should know who this is. And it's completely blanking. Adam. They had so many just random like no name wide receivers. I'm not going to remember this, so I'm going to pass for now,

but I'm ashamed that I don't know. All right, that blocks out Lucas. He both can guess first in the next round. This player struggled in his rookie season, but reportedly lost 20 pounds leading to a year to breakout. Ooh, all right.

I'm going to guess Levy on Bell. That is correct. Three points for Lucas. That brings it seven and a half. It's over. It's over. Bell, that was the 2021 season where the Ravens had all the preseason injuries.

Kenyon Drake. And they ran out, Lehman, and Tyson Williams, and Kenyon Drake and Levion Bell, and just a bunch of random. I forgot Brian Ford. By the way, Brian Ford got that on, I believe the first clue, at least the second clue. So that brings us to seven and a half for Lucas.

It brings us to sticks. for the chat, one and a half for Tom. Luckily, crown's going down. We double the points for the last year. Oh, right. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Tom still has a chance here. Tom, in order to tie, you need to get this on clue three. Okay. In order to winning to get this on clue two, Lucas, obviously, you just need Tom not to get it by clue three. All right. Let's do it. All right.

This player was named to the freshman, all-American team of the SEC as a quarterback. So the all SEC freshman team or all American freshman team and all SEC freshman team as a quarterback. I'm already a disadvantage. I have to pass. I don't know this stuff. Yeah, I'm going

I'm going to pass. That's way to me potential players. Okay. This player's career high in touchdowns came in 2014. 2014 career high in touchdowns. That's that's so many guys.

And the way you said that at quarterback makes me think that he's no longer a quarterback. And there's only a handful of those guys. I will pass here, probably. I'm going to wait. I have a good guess, but it'll be way more satisfying if I can beat Thomas on the next question. All right. Shmuck. Oh, trial prior went to Ohio State, Toronto.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This player had over 1,000 yards in 2014, and is still in the league today, but has never reached that mark since. As a quarterback is still in the league today and hasn't hit 1,000 yards since 2014. I'm trying to think of who's that old, bro. He used to play quarterback.

I really thought Luke would be all over this. Oh, my God. I thought so, too, But with that most recent question, it makes me way more confused. Oh, my gosh. So we got SEC quarterback career year in 2014, still in the league today, hasn't had a thousand yards in 10 years. I mean, that's shout out to who that is for how impressive it is to not have a thousand yards for that long and still be in the league.

Tom, you got to get it on this clue. You may as well fire off the guest here. I'm thinking. Hold on. Hold on. I need extra time here. If this is the last, the last hint that we get. Oh, um, oh, is, oh, all right. I'm going to guess.

Is it Jacobi Berset? It is not Jacobi Berset. His last name doesn't fit the noun. Uh, okay. Uh, it hasn't gotten in for us here. Is still in the league? I don't think I do, bro. I don't think I do.

All right. I know. I need, I need to get. guess. I need to get a guess off. It's someone old. They've probably thrown a touchdown. Still in the league, 2014. I don't think Cam, Cam's not in the league.

Oh, you know what? I'll take, no. No, it can't be it can't be Taysam Hill. He didn't hit, he didn't hit a thousand yards in 2014. It's not, he's not from the SEC. Nah, dude. I don't think I got it. New Orleans full back tight end.

Oh, it can't be Jimmy Graham either. No, I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I got to hear the next one. I am so disappointed myself that I don't know who this is. I have to concede.

I don't know who this is. This is insane. We'll finish this out. Don't worry. Okay. Wow. This player excelled in high school at football, basketball, and track, eventually being recruited to the University of Kentucky.

Oh my gosh. Is it, is it Randall Cobb? Randall Cobb, correct. Oh, my. He was a quarterback? Gosh, yes, he was quarterback his first year and then transition to wide receiver. And oh, that got me. Oh, that is so good.

He actually, so Randall Cobb actually grew up in my hometown. He did not go in school. Yeah, so I grew up. right beside Alcoa in the Marival area in East Tennessee. I did not go to Alcoa High School, but he played in the same like, uh,

peewee football league that I started playing whenever I was a kid too, which is just like it's, it's so wild. Wow. Oh my God. I didn't realize that he was an all SEC freshman, but I believe it. I wouldn't hurt him to say believe that. Randall Cobb. Uh, yeah.

Brian Ford. Brian Ford says he's throwing a flag. that only has one B. Oh, man, I got to concede. That were a lot of really good questions, Jacob. I'm only hoping next week, since you're not going to be here, I could only somehow find a way to amount to questions. All right.

So updating the all-time scoreboard now, Thomas, one and a half, Lucas one, Derek Brown one, chat, 0.5. And, yeah, man, Randall Cobb is still hanging around. I believe he still on the New York Jets roster. Or actually, well, he's still, he's currently a free agent, but he's not yet retired and he played all of last year on a roster. So that's, that's good enough for me.

Revolta is worth remembering Alfred Blue. Like, that was, that was another really good just pull out of nowhere. Damn, I really needed that trend green one and it would have kept me in rhythm. But I was, I was, I was chocked after that. We're going to take our last quick break And we're going to wrap up and get out here So sit tight Jacob you said before we went on that you didn't see a need

Do a 90 minute show In the middle of June And it turns out that's all we can do Is 90 minute shows in the middle of June Because we love this This is We love just sitting down and talking ball And that's what makes this show great

It's not about hot takes It's not about being right or first Or anything like that It is just about challenging opinions, differing opinions, and how we can grow off of that. So love this show. We had a completely different topic planned. And then when I actually dove into it, it turned out that that topic didn't matter. We were going to do how to attack the market when it's moving.

And I got to tell you, the market is just not moving because there's not a lot of things happening right now. not a lot of news, not a lot of, you know, reports, if you would, just a lot of coach speak and, you know, trying to determine whether or not that helps your bias or hurts your bias so you know what to tweet about and what to quote tweet your co-hosts and dad on as so long as it, you know, fits your propaganda. Love this. Ryan said, but but but Iyuk video.

Yeah, I mean, sure but I'm not I'm not ripping my pants off for that so like like Jacob mentioned before like we can touch on that like Jacob mentioned before there's there's a few places where his situation like his production and value could go up but there's a lot of places where it could go down so we're not I'm not making any major major moves on on IUC right now Mark Brian Forth is kidding about market moving and not news yeah like it's yeah it's just a weird time of year right now but you know what we're going to do we're going to be back here every every week just giving the best content that we can however before we get out of here and get final thoughts i will say we only know

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I'm going to make it happen because the person at the wedding social said that I could be his dad or asked if I was his dad and I'm never going to let him live that down. That's why I love this show. Lucas, we're going to see you next week. Love this show.

Love all of you. Remember that clear eyes and full hearts can never lose in your best days. They're always been tilting. Good night, everyone. What? What? What are you shaking your head?

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