Fantasy Football Daily - 2024 NFL Pre-Season Dynasty Reactions and Heartbreak

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

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What? What are you shaking your head? You're welcome. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome in. I am not your host with the most time on his hands. Thomas Tipple. Tom is in rest and recovery mode as he works his way back into the swing of things post Canton.

I am, of course, Jacob Sanderson. I am with you here as always with Lucas Gilbert at L. Gilbert, App, F, and Ryan Heath at Ryan J. underscore Heath to break down a pretty big week in the dynasty fantasy football landscape. We've had a bunch of injuries. We've had a bunch of rumors. We've had about 80 different tweet updates on Brandon Ayuk. And we had the first week of preseason. How are you guys doing today?

Yeah, I'm doing great. I understand why Tom goes directly. How are you doing, Ryan? There we go. Look at us getting about a minute into the show with us. though Tom. All right. Yeah, I'm doing good. Duncan Donuts today. No Dunkin Donuts today. My only fun fact was going to be that I have not read a single Brandon Iuk update for the last 48 hours because I don't care. I've just completely tuned out anything having to do with Brandon. Thanks for putting in the work for this podcast. I appreciate it. Yeah. Hey, I put in the work.

Lucas and I hold it down. Yeah, except for Brandon I, you because there's so much interesting stuff to pay attention to right now. We have actual preseason games, actual football being played. but we're still talking about Brandon I. You, why do we have to do that? All right, Lucas, how are you doing today? I'm doing awesome. We actually got some football to watch. Got to look and see how I'm already wrong on all of my rookie takes. So that makes me feel great so far, saying, yeah, we need to go get all those New England

pass catchers for them to do nothing. But you know, it's just one preseason game. And it's tough to make too many judgments. But we'd love to have been a little bit more hyped about some of like the super like back of the weeds rookies that people are like barely paying attention to but you know still got two more weeks of this stuff I don't know if that came through on camera I fear it probably didn't but uh in British Columbia they like don't really have screens on windows and they also don't have air conditioning so the summer is just a constant battle of whether you want flies in your

house or whether you want just bake alive uh and so I had a little fruit fly buzzing around in my peripheral vision and I just caught it. with my bare hand and squished it. And it was honestly like one of the sickest things that I've ever done. So I'm in midseason form. I have better hands than Jonathan Mingo, that's for sure. Let's start. We're going to start with, we're going to go in three sections today.

Okay. So we're going to start with sort of the injuries, the rumors, the news items. Then we're going to dive in a little bit to the preseason stuff. We can either talk usage. We can talk performances. We're going to go with a couple takes that moved us or didn't move us. And then we're going to have a five for five. And Ryan, this would be the one for you.

There's no, no players from the mid-90s today. There's no obscure questions about Heisman Trophy winning seasons in 1992. All of the five-for-five answers today and no looking up stats in the middle of this episode. But all of them are going to be based on what happened in the pre-s in week one performances. Oh, no. Oh, no. How well I actually prepared after I had just said I prepared great for everything, Brandon Iuke.

We're going to find out. We're going to find out. That's for sure. All right. We're not going to have time because I know that we tend to ramble, especially without Tom, driving the bus here to keep us somewhat on track. I'll run down quickly, sort of the big news headlines. And then each of you maybe pick one that you think is worth chatting about.

So we have the Brandon I, Uke updates that have continued throughout the day. Is he going to be a sealer? Is he going to be a 49er? We have the J.G. McCarthy meniscus injury. We have potential injuries to J. to Jemir Gibbs to Hollywood Brown to bully neighbors. We had the Tyrone Tracy not season-ending injury. Other nicks and bruises assorted.

Ryan, I'll let you kick it off. What's the, yeah, so I, guilty is charged. I put Tyrone Tracy on the show sheet, so I'm going to. So just want to paint the picture of how I experienced it is I walk out for my lunch break, give my desk job. It kind of, you know, kind of open Twitter. It's, oh, Tyrone Tracy is, like, surrounded by his teammates and being, like, airlifted, or I think it said aircast or something. It sounded very dramatic and horrible. And not even 15 minutes later, it rap, rap sheet is tweeting, oh, well, it's a low ankle sprain. And also, he's going to see significant playing time.

So, I mean, that's good to hear. Like, yeah, we, yeah, we went from totally jover to back with, like so quickly. So yeah, and I mean, the preseason usage also for Tyrone and Tracy kind of backs pretty clearly the RB2 behind Devin Singletary. That's not a bad spot to be in at all for a day three pick.

So yeah, I thought the preseason usage on Tracy was just phenomenal in terms of that he gets what we're dreaming a running back gets, which is clear-cut number two usage, but gets over-steads. by the Eric Gray touchdown where, you know, I was, I was at work, I think, or was doing something. I was not looking, I wasn't watching the game. So all I'm doing is just sort of seeing some Twitter updates. And I see all the buzz about Eric Gray. My assumption is Eric Gray started the game was

incredible. It's gray stocks up. When I go look at the Snap County, I go, oh, Tracy got the start. He's pretty clearly the two here, even if Gray's the one getting the hype. I thought we were going have a really nice buying opportunity anyway, probably even a better one now with what, it's just a low ankle spring, right? Like he's probably playing week one kind of crazy after it seemed like his career was over for focus. If you have any great thoughts or what was the big thing that stands up to you and a dynasty take from that?

I think right now it's probably the Hollywood injury. That's kind of one of the bigger ones, especially there was just so much hype going into that offense for this season. And it makes me a little bit more excited. about Xavier Worthy, but it just means that the time for you to be able to acquire him and not pay a premium on top of him already being a really good offense, that's all gone. If Hollywood Brown can't go early on the season, people are going to put unfair expectations on Xavier Worthy to be producing. It's going to drive his cost up, but might mean that there's going to be a buying window

a little bit later on in the season, wherever we start hearing about Hollywood Brown coming back. And, you know, there aren't many rookies who come into the NFL and are immediately producing in week one. It does take some time, especially for wide receivers. JJ, Zach Reason, Stun, I don't even know how many studies about rookie wide receivers and how they progress throughout the season. But he's done a lot. There is a significant bump. I think it's over three fancy points per game between, I think it's the second half of the season versus the first half of the season. So that's a very significant bump.

But people aren't going to care about that. whenever they see him in the starting lineup during week one. So look for a potential buying window later on. And I still think that he's a really good dynasty asset, but be very careful about how you're buying. And sorry, I just saw on the show sheet, you do have something about him later on, but I hope that doesn't take too much time.

Yeah, I'll get to my point later on. I mean, I'm quite encouraged by what we saw from him so far in the preseason. I mean, the big dynasty nugget, I think that it's going to affect the landscape the most is the G.G. McCarthy injury. We don't know the entirety of what it's going to be. The nature of the meniscus surgery, and this is pretty universal across football, basketball,

whenever there's the meniscus injuries, is they won't know whether it's going to be the trim or whether it's going to be the, I don't know if it's, what's it called the repair or the report? It's something. There's a long one and a short one. One of them's called a trim, and I can't remember what the other one's called.

But basically the trim would be four to six weeks. And the other thing, which I think is called the repair, ends up being a much longer timeline. Jalen Ramsey had that last year was able to come back towards the end of the season. So even if he had the longer timeline option, it's possible he comes back late in the year. I think Irv Smith might have also come back very late season from a meniscus repair surgery in the off season. I want to say two, three years ago.

But I mean, at that point, if he's not coming back until, you know, December, he may as well just not be a factor this year, probably pretty unlikely that he starts any games at all, unless maybe he comes back. They think he's fully healthy and they're totally out of it. And they let him have one or two chances to set up. It's the four to six weeks, even still, Sam Darnold, you know, he was already starting this year. Let's talk about this. We already have BW in the chat. Well, we got probably two, the two most prescient questions, I think. So we'll start with Rock Ask, because you have it pulled up. redraft question with JJ going down.

How does it affect your outlook on Jefferson this season? How far down do you move them? And, you know, we can discuss this from Dynastilins 2 if you want. It doesn't affect it a ton. I haven't actually made the rankings update yet, but I know what I'm going to do. I have Jefferson in redraft ranked as the last player in my tier one at seventh overall. I'm going to move him now to the first player in tier two and still be at seventh overall. But I'm going to move him down a slight tier.

I think Donald is going to be surprisingly fine. I've been consistent in my praise of Kevin O'Connell and my critique of some of the quarterbacks that have piloted these McShanie offenses. I think that Donald's going to be a lot more efficient than he's ever been in his career. I also do think that even though I don't necessarily think the most of the two of Purdy-Goff types,

I do think that they can do a thing, which is deliver the ball on time, in stride, accurately over the middle of the field. I don't really know if that's Sam Darnold's game. I think Kevin O'Connell's going to scheme up a lot of opportunities. I don't know that he's going to consistently hit the singles that are given to him in this offense, and the hope was that McCarthy could, or at the very least, out of the two of them, one of them ends up being able to supply Jefferson. So I do think it's a meaningful downgrade.

What do you guys think about Jefferson? And then we can talk about BW's question and how we're affecting this to the McCarthy landscape and dynasty. I think that seventh overall ranking is about, right? I would just say as far as Jefferson goes this season and how I'm viewing him differently, it's a hit to the ceiling, right? Like now it's, I would say very unlikely that we look up in week eight. And it's, oh, wow, J.J. McCarthy is actually incredible, like an above average talent that is going to elevate the guys around him, going to allow Jefferson to compete for, like,

wide receiver one overall, right? I think that scenario gets less likely now. Obviously depends some on what the injury timeline ends up being, but that is what I would say there. But yeah, I mean, if you were drafting Jefferson kind of anywhere within this first tier of wide receivers, like with your Jamar chases and your Amuneraw St. Browns, like you are already kind of buying into, okay, that like anyone can run this Kevin O'Connell offense.

It's going to be, was going to be Sam Darnel. for at least a few weeks at the beginning of the year regardless. So I don't think like the base case that affected. I think it's really just if you were looking for like a league winning performance out of Justin Jefferson this year, I think it just became less likely. So I mean, maybe that's an argument to push him back even further in redraft. Maybe that means I won't draft him at all like anywhere near like the middle of the first round. I don't know.

That's kind of where I'm at. I just, I had trouble seeing the ceiling and I still do for this year. For Dynasty, I don't really. Lucas, they'll pose a specific question to you. Justin Jefferson or AJ Brown for this year. I'm still going to go with Justin Jefferson. That is a tough one. So I definitely, I think I have almond raw over Jefferson now,

but Jefferson's sitting there at my wide receiver five. And I'm, I'm okay with that. That is a little bit tougher than pre-injury. It makes you think a little bit more, but I'm still going with Jefferson. And like Ryan said, I don't think it really affects us with regards to Jefferson long-term and dynasty. Certainly not. We'll get to BW's question now. Are we something random 2025 first for JJ McCarthy?

I'm not. This doesn't have a massive impact for me. The only way that this really impacts my dynasty teams is like I have one 14-team league where I really need a J.J. McCarthy to win this starting job sooner than later, just so that I would be able to have his point. points in the quarterback position this year. But I think any other team that I have a JJ McCarthy share, you know, I think I'm not really planning on him to play for me unless he comes out and he's awesome. I think I'm covered a quarterback regardless.

So if anything, you're probably, you know, trying to trade for a quarterback if this happens to really impact you. I don't really know what trading JJ away for a 2025 first accomplishes you. It's not really like other positions to me where the loss of year one just means you never get a chance to show what you can do. Like I, you know, I understand Trey Lance is the counter example to this, but he's the exception to prove the rule. J.G.

McCarthy is going to get opportunities to be the quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings. I don't think we have to worry about cashing out for a 2025 first right now. Either you guys feel differently. No, I agree. I think is, yeah, I think his values just kind of on ice. It's the field. It's kind of like having a 25 random first. Like, there's a crop, not a whole lot that's going to move it up or down.

But the nice thing with this 2025 random first is, you know that that's actually a quarterback. And this 2025 class right now, the quarterbacks, there's not anything like this previous class where we already knew going in that there were at least four quarterbacks we were going to be excited about. There's maybe two that people can get a little bit excited about in this current projections right now. It can all change in the fall. But yeah, I'm definitely sticking with JJ McCarthy.

It would need to be 25, random 25 first plus to make me move off of them. because even if you are tanking, because that's why you would move him for a pick. If he's not playing, he's not going to be adding to your score. So just sit on the value. It's all insulated value. Yeah, the,

you know, this is not the Dynasty Points Debbie show, but I do think it's worth noting that, you know, as we dig more and more into class of 2025, which still has a lot of room to take shape here. I think I've set up before on this program, but my plan as of like this moment is to kind of,

to kind of be moving out 2025 first before it really gets into the mainstream among the dynasty consensus that it does not project to be a very good class. And then once that sort of hits the mainstream, I'll probably start buying them again at hopefully a bit of a discount. The quarterback class particular, you know, Jaden Daniels this time last year was not someone that we considered that was going to be going in the top half of first round, so it's dynasty draft. So it's not as though there can't be someone that emerges.

Maybe Jaden Milrow hooks up with Caleb DeBoer has an incredible. season and now you have this rushing dual threat first round quarterback to consider but right now it's like you know carson back is like sort of the default qb one in real life in the class and he's kind of a j j j mccarthy type right so that's that's um concerning all right we're going to take a quick break um and then we're going to come back and we're going to talk about what we just saw in season week one back in about a minute all right if you are like ryan if you are like Lucas and you dominate your league at home, your office, your family, anyone that you want to play fantasy with, it's time to take your game to the next level.

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But all right, let's get into some preseason takeaways. We'll start with Lucas this time. Anything from the preseason, I'll either put this as something that you really did care about and it can be usage-based, it can be performance-based, do whatever you want it to be, or maybe something that you see people freaking out about that you think they're freaking out about too much.

Either way, what do you got for us? All right, so I'm going to actually start with things that people are freaking out probably a little bit too much. And it is some of the RB2 performances in the preseason. I mean, we love getting to see some of these depth pieces actually go out and play because we never see them play during the regular season because they're depth pieces for a reason. But with some of these rookies and particularly Brayland Allen, that's the one that's getting me a little bit right now. He had some hype going into last season, kind of disappointed because he's a massive. the back has a lot of power and never runs like he has any until apparently during the preseason he's already completely changed the way he runs the football.

And he actually looked like he was a big guy running the football. So I'm still very skeptical. He is not one of the RB2s that I would be rushing to move up my draft boards as then here's going to be the potential steal. Now, getting the handcuff to Brice Hall, who's already had. an ACL injury before. That's not necessarily a bad idea, but I don't think you should be overreacting to a performance like that.

Whenever you have these very clearly established players already in front of them. There are others throughout the preseason or preseason week one, but Rayleigh-Nallin is the one that really kind of stands out to me. I'm curious if there are others that kind of fit that same mold for you, like you don't want to overreact to that RB2 performance, or if there are some that you do want to react to, like the Tyrone Tracy's. Definitely what's it kind of highlight.

Biggest one I wanted to overreact to is the one you just said not to overreact to. Look, I've uttered a lot of Braille and Allen hate on this program, but I was really damn impressed with what I saw to him. It was night and day to me to how he ran at Wisconsin. I thought that the two big things that I had issues with on his Wisconsin tape, one, he looked like path protection was a foreign language to him. He had some really impressive past pro reps this weekend. I think he's putting a ton of work on that clearly.

And then two, just indecisive. Like he was just sort of this big plotting guy who never really got moving downhill. I thought he was way more decisive this week. As soon as he had the hole, he was moving quickly. He wasn't just sort of plotting around. He looked like he remembered that he was a 240 pound running back. You know, I certainly, if people are going to make this a thing where they're worried about Brees Hall or whatever, I'm out on that.

But from a perspective of, you know, I drafted Brillen Allen last night on that FFPC team, and I got him, you know, quite a bit later than that first run of Brickey Handcuffs. If he's clearly separating himself from Isaiah Davis as the number two, then, you know, maybe he could be a similar value to like the Tyler Algier, even Blake Horm, Traybenson, grouping this year. That seems plausible to me. I think where I kind of like pause with this is, sure, we, we can. can think Braylon Allen is a more impressive runner than we may have previously.

But like, let's just play out of Reese Hall injury in our heads. Now we have Braylon Allen as potentially the lead, probably the leadback, we'll say in like a Nathaniel Hackett offense. Is that like getting us excited? Do we know that there's a role carved out there that is actually beyond like low end fantasy RB2 type of stuff? This is just kind of weird. I do.

Okay, okay, go. I mean, Aaron Rogers' running back historically are a gold mine. That's fair. We've had Eddie Lacey go for over 16 points a game with Aaron Rogers. We've had James Starks have fantasy value with Aaron Rogers. Whenever Aaron Jones missed time, freaking Jamal Williams was like a plug-and-play RB1 for Aaron Rogers. Like the Aaron Rogers' running back role tends to be quite valuable.

His running back throw rate is high. He's a guy that's really willing to put running backs out into space. like we've seen multiple different running backs actually put up like reasonable A dots for running backs with Aaron Rogers. He has a high touchdown rate to running backs as well. Like I, and an efficiency as well. Like if you look historically, Aaron Rogers running backs, Ben Gretti did a deep dive on this last summer, have like a pretty massive bump and efficiency playing with Rogers versus other quarterbacks. I think a lot of that is the stuff he does at the line of scrimmage where he's just consistently getting his team into optimal plays.

You know, maybe you think Rogers is washed. But I tend to think that at least a lot of what he does is sort of that cerebral aspect of the game that hopefully Iowask hasn't rotted out of his gourd yet. Okay. Sure. Yeah. I guess kind of my point is just like I'm thinking Brees Hall in the first round because I think Brees Hall is like a transcendent running back talent who did the absolute most with the absolute least last year. Aaron Rogers, yes, like raises the floor of that to a significant extent. But I still don't know if this is like a Blake Corum situation where it's like, okay,

this offense isn't going to skip a beat. He's just going to slot right into the Kyron Williams role if he gets hurt and be averaging a 70% snap share and 16 plus fancy points per game. Yeah, I feel like it just rarely works like this with handcuffs unless. it's either specifically a system that we know is going to work like that or a player that we have a lot more conviction on the talent of than we probably should with Braylin Allen. So in your dynasty leagues, like if somebody's sending me for my Braylon Allen shares like a random 20, 25 second, I'm accepting that right now. But would you be actually be the manager who's sending out 2025 seconds to acquire Brail? I'm not paying two is for handcuffs. Got it. Yeah, just wanted to double check.

One, make sure, and I like the question, is Alan like a Tyler A backup. I think Tyler Algear is a similar comp to me. Like, they're both behind the two best young running back workhorses in football. We have more confidence Algear is good because we've seen it, not in a pre-ting. So I prefer Alger, but I do think it's a bit similar. I'll stick with the rookies. Yeah, exactly. Hasn't been said once yet, not once.

The two rookies that stuck out most to me were Worthy and Brian Thomas. We've seen the Chiefs fuck around with their personnel, especially at the past catcher positions, early season in the entirety of Andy Reed's tenure. So, you know, I was almost bracing for the impact of Xavier Worthy's playing behind Justin Watson or some goofy shit. I don't even know if he's on the team. It's just one serious. Yeah, Skymore, whatever.

I just, I thought we were going to have to put up with some sort of nonsense, at least in the preseason. But that was not the case. They came out, Snap one, and it's Brown, it's worthy, it's Rice. And then Hollywood Brown gets hurt. He is predicting this four to six weeks. Expect that's probably going to miss between one and three weeks of actual regular season play. You know, that's a very clear one way. It seems like at this point, rice is probably not getting suspended, but certainly not for sure.

You know, there's a chance that Worthy is the only one of those three. active week one. And I think a very good chance he's one of only two of them active week one. You know, I think to me, the way they handle this offseason and the way they came out in the preseason game with those three wide receivers, it's sort of saying like enough with the bullshit, right? Like we had to do these stupid route rotations because we had a bunch of crappy receivers. Now we went on and got real receivers.

We're going to play a real receiver. I've not been like a massive worthy bull and a vacuum as a prospect for some people. but he's been he's the guy i think i have like the highest on versus adp in my redraft rankings um right now and in a dynasty standpoint you know i would be considering pouncing too because there this is a spot where if he's going to play like he's going to do enough stuff with patrick mohomes if he's going to be on the field all the time that i think his value for over the first half the seat is actually pretty stable and he's also the guy where if, and I'm not seeing I predict this.

I don't even really predict this. But if it's week three and he's just killing it, then he's just unattainable, right? Like he's like, oh, he's just goaded and he's with Patrick Mahomes, like the top five times to see why receiver walking in, right? That's the, that's the upside there with Worthy.

So I do think you want to make sure you get your, get your exposure in right now before potentially this thing gets away from you. Ryan, what do you think on this question here, neighbors or worthy in a first who um neighbors or and i'll i'll fill in the blanks i'll call this a i'll call us a 2025 okay rejected mid first i think i'm neighbors honestly i i don't know if that's going to be here what do you what do you i'm definitely neighbors okay i don't i don't know i i i do think i'm still on neighbor's side but that one's that was really so i i i think like to explain my

thought there a little bit and also kind of responded to Jacob. I cut myself off halfway through. I was about to say, I was about to say I was definitely neighbors on draft day. Like in May, I was definitely near. I'm a little, this offer would probably paralyze me to the point that I wouldn't make either side of the deal. Yeah. Did you see, if you saw like the look on my face when I, when I first read that, that's,

yeah, same feeling. I would just say kind of everything Jacob just laid out about, yeah, it could be, So I agree first that the floor through the first half of the year, probably pretty decent. I think worst case, you're looking at, like, kind of the type of usage that, like, Azay Flowers got last year, maybe not in total target volume, but at least in terms of he's getting in motion, he's getting kind of all the easy, like Mickey Mouse route stuff, like, it fills the stat sheet, it looks decent, he gets some target volume. I think that is most likely now going to happen with worthy.

but what I would just say is as far as the who's going to be the guy where you look up in it's week three and he's awesome and he's like a goaded dynasty asset now that can just as easily be Rishi Rice right and we've kind of seen it too we've got like a sneak peek at the last eight weeks of the season last year I wrote up a huge Rashi rice blurb in my age curves article that came out today but basically even when he was on the field with Travis Kelsey, he was already putting up low-end fantasy wide receiver one points and usage. So it's, I am leaning toward like rice. If you're asking me, okay, like rice and worthy kind of go next to each otherish, but in the format we don't talk about

and also just in normal redraft league, then I'm clicking rice every time. But yeah, I mean, I fully understand that if it's, a 60% chance it's rice at 40% chance it's worthy who hits the exact same type of trajectory. Agreed on that. Very, very into both those guys. I drafted both of them on my RAPFBC entry last night. All right. Ryan, your takeaway.

Yeah. So, I mean, my takeaway is a guy that didn't play, which is often just as important every season. I think Ken Walker's going to be a three-down workforce. And I never thought I would be saying that even like a month ago. I distinctly remember making fun of Scott Barrett and DMs for him saying and thinking this. But I was a couple weeks late, apparently, because we now have quotes from O.C. Ryan Grub. We have multiple quotes from reputable reporters, like from Jeremy Fowler, that the team views him as a three down back. we have all of his receiving efficiency metrics from last year to fallback on.

He top 10 in yards per outrun, mistackles force perception, all the nerdy fancy stat stuff. And also, he didn't play at all, nor did any of the starters. And Charmeney did. So I feel like that tells you why. Is J.FN not a starter? Okay. I knew you were going to do that. Not this is a subtle shade.

Is it subtle shade? No, it wasn't shuttle. subtle shade. I'm into JASN this year. I actually like JASN this. But anyways, they mostly did not play their starters. It was only Zach Charbonnet and JSN. That tells you right there that Ken Walker is likely viewed as a cut above these guys, right? And that's music to my ears. I mean, I don't know. For me, it's like a question of, okay, if I now think this about Ken Walker, how high am I going to rank him? How high am I going to take him? I in like from like a redraft perspective, I don't think I can get above like a Pacheco or an EATN

certainly. But from a dynasty perspective, I think Ken Walker is about running back than an Isaiah Pacheco, which I think we've had this exact same conversation on these airways before Jacob. So yeah, I'm kind of kind of leaning back into Ken Walker for the first time in his career. I'm yeah, just kind of looking at it. Like this could be the thing where he, It only takes one coach to suddenly decide a running back is capable of catching passes before it sticks and capable of it for the rest of his career, right? So, yeah, just thoughts swirling in my head about Ken Walker for the last week, ever since 5 for 5 last week when I was tweeting about it. And this is kind of all I thought about. Yeah, I've felt pretty optimistic on him this year.

It's the first year I've been pretty decisively in on Walker. he's one of like especially in a redraft context like i was writing up my redraft rankings earlier this weekend i was like man like when it when we're out of underdog world and the running backs are being pushed back up again i'm like looking at if i don't get one of mcalfrey brie bejean like what running backs can i possibly justify before i get to like the ninth round and it's it's pretty much just james cook and ken walker for me are like the two running backs at eight that I can even stomach. So Walker's a big part of my 2024 plan.

I agree with that take. So they're going like back to back in ADP right now. Who are you feeling a little bit better about if you were going to start up today, taking Kenneth Walker or James Cook? Walker for me, I think, in Dynasty Cook. It's like a little bit more of a Bill's 2024 take for me where like I'm very, very into Cook and I'm also very, very into Ray Davis. I just think that that backfield is going to produce a lot of fantasy points based on what we saw to Joe Brady this year and based on how little I think of their receiving weapons, but also how highly I think of Josh Allen's ability to lead a viable offense.

Walker, I think is the better player. Yeah, and I'll take the guy who plays it for the tiebreaker. So, yeah, I would also want Walker. Okay. The one time that I've had that decision, at least so far, this off season, I did go with James Cook. So we'll see if that comes back to bite me But I don't know It is a pretty compelling case

Although I'm just hoping it's not like a scenario You know in the NBA summer league Whenever the second year player comes in And he's just playing one game Just to show he's that much better than everybody else Or he's got what he needs And then he kind of disappears off And it's just sitting there on the bench

Looking stylish But maybe I hope that's not Zach Sharpernay for the rest of this Because they're like, okay, yeah, he's fine But I don't know Gotta say Seattle ran 79 plays in this game. They have typically under the Pete Carroll sloth machine

been among the league lows in plays per game, almost every single year. 79 plays with this new coaching staff. And then I don't know if you checked out all the stupid, ridiculous fuckery that the bears were doing, but like, what an upgrade? We get Shane Waldron out of the building. We get Ryan Grub in.

We got dude having Gerald Everett run the same amount of routes is DJ Moore and Roma Dunes Day. And it's like, oh, we got, oh, we got Rochon isn't in to play third downs. Well, I guess you got to put Travis Homer in to play third downs instead of using Swifton. Just, Waldron is like the most overthinking it coordinator. I don't know how the bears keep hiring these gimmicky lures to coach their offense. But despite everything I just-

Will he be coaching the Raiders a year from now? She will. He will. He will. He will. years to Raiders pipeline following Getsy's puts in those. Despite what I just said about Shane Waldron, though, take on, take of the weekend for me was that, like, you know, slightly dampered now by this JJ McCarthy injury.

But I came away really impressed with every rookie quarterback we saw. You know, unfortunately, Drake May played like three snaps. So don't really get to include him in this discussion one way or the other, but I guess it was a nice green basket for him. But Caleb, I thought, looked absolutely outstanding. Just as advertised, I remember it brought back the memories of watching him in college, especially his second year when he was sort of just becoming a phenomenon that year at USC when everybody was slowly kind of realizing what we were watching.

And it was like every Saturday, there would be a new clip going around of what did Caleb Williams do this weekend? And you're sending it around to your friends. Oh, my God, can you believe this guy? I got that immediate excitement back when I watch him make that serve rollout throw to commit. He has the really fun improvisation on the spring plows to Swift that goes like 40 yards, a really nice play more. Just absolute joy. Daniel's not a lot of usage because they ran the ball so much on his drive,

but still winds up getting the rush touchdown. Really beautiful pass to Diami Brown. I thought McCarthy, like outside of the interception, like totally dynamic. And I'm excited about him when what we do get to see him play. And then even Nix, I thought, was a little up and down early, but got things together, short off his athleticism. I came away thinking this whole 2024 rookie class. I didn't mention panics, but I thought he was probably the least impressed for the bunch, but I still thought he was pretty good.

He had some really nice throws. Yeah, I think if you invested in this 2024 rookie class in any format, like I come away pretty excited on everyone. And the only one that you don't get that excitement is because either they got injured or may just basically didn't play. I don't think you did anything wrong. What are your guys' thoughts on these guys? So I love that even though they ran the ball a lot, we got to see Jaden Daniels in really high fantasy point value situations, being able to run the ball in from the goal line.

So that's a nice plus. We were a little curious if he would actually be able to have any of those opportunities. So it was still off-scripted, not necessarily a design thing, but it's nice to see him running it in from up close. And just making plays down the field. Absolutely love to see it. Back whenever Dore Love was still being kind of inefficient last season, he was still just getting really high value opportunities.

So throwing the ball downfield, making some place with his legs, we're going to get to see some of that again with Jane Daniels. So that makes me really excited. And unfortunately, I do think that the time to buy him is starting to pass. So at least for the next two seasons, maybe we can reevaluate after that. But I think that he looked really, really good. Yeah, I mean, my only take here is I'm salty that May didn't get in on the action. I was out the game and it was kind of like blinking you miss it type of deal.

Like, yeah, it was, we're going to have them hand it off a bunch of times and throw to Antonio Gisd. So that's really my only addition. This is an item. You would think it would be smart to get your rookie playing time in the free season. What a concept? Am I holding an L? Why do I have an L? No, Luke McCaffrey.

No, no. No, no. You're asking if Luke McCaffrey is still in the mix. We're not to five for five yet, so you haven't taken the L yet. Yeah. Wait, okay. Yeah, fully thought I was being handed in L there. So the question is, like, is Luke McCaffrey still a thing?

I'm going to take this to assume he means is he still draftable in seasonal formats, but maybe I'm wrong about that. That's kind of what I'm feeling. I don't know if Luke McCaffrey was draftable in seasonal formats that aren't like underdog where you need, where the wide receiver depth is ridiculous. And maybe this is just like a philosophical thing. I don't really want to stock. Okay, wait rounds in my redraft league. I'm stockpiling running backs.

Those are the players where they need one injury or whatever one thing to break their way. and they have usable fantasy volume. That's not necessarily the case with wide receivers. We can talk underdog, like, bestball, where you're, you know, we're drafting some pretty shitty wide receivers. Yeah. He's seeing in a keep, he's seeing in a keeper league. How many guys are you keeping in a keeper league to where Luke McCaffrey is entering

your keeper considerate? Like most keep a house in, you keep like one or two guys? How are you keeping him? Yeah, he's a rookie. Well, no, I think he means, I think he means would you draft him late in a keeper league? Oh, okay. As in, like, I would need to be keeping, like, 12 players for that to really have a consideration. Because, like, most keeper leagues that I'm in, it's like one keeper, two keepers, three keepers.

And they're usually talking about superstars with those spots. I mean, obviously, if you took like Puka in the last round, you're dunking all over your league this year. So maybe worth a shot. But, yeah, I don't know. I've never been. I think Tom's the Luke McCaffrey guy on the show. Maybe Lucas liked them, too. I do like him, not as much as Tom.

And also with just like the general depth that Washington has, he's still a little bit further down there for me to really consider him. Like I'm still, I'm doing Dianami Brown over him. Yeah. And I would just kind of echo those thoughts just on keeper leagues. Like every keeper league question I get asked is like, oh,

I, should I keep Devon A-chan in like the 12th round or like Rishi Rice in the 13th? Like those are the type of impacts you're hoping to get out if your keepers, right? So, yeah, like insert Rookie here. Could he be keeper viable a year from now? Sure. But McCaffrey's not one of the bets I would like to make.

I'd rather pick Tracy in a keeping. All right. That's three minutes. We've just devoted to Luke McCaffrey. I did my two takes. I want to say each of you have done one. Maybe whoever has their take left, one of you guys go. Ryan, you want to go?

Okay, I'll go. And this is less of a take and almost more of just like I wanted to bring this up to Jacob and that he thought about it. So the the Brock Bowers usage was very interesting. Okay. Cool as hell. So from from Graham Barfield's preseason recap article, he had it as five snaps from inline, three snaps out of the backfield, two out wide and one in the slot. I went and watched each of those snaps right before this. And I counted one, like actual route from each of those spots. He had a target on the backfield route and the out wide route where it was completely wide open. I don't know, I don't know what to think about this because the mayor also played all of these

snaps, mostly from in line. It was a lot of blocking. Bauer's blocking looks pretty decent, I thought. So I guess that is like a positive. I just don't know what to think of this. Because normally it's like, okay, like this is sick and based. Like we have a tight end catching passes out of the back field. I'll take any, I'll take any passes that tight ends going to catch. But also like if this were a different coaching staff, maybe I would have less

reservations about it. Like I don't know. Is this like the next like Arthur Smith is moving Kyle Pitts all around the formation so that John O'Smith can get open type of deal. I just don't know. I feel like I would have felt better almost, I feel like if Bowers just played like normally in line and didn't slot and like a normal tight end.

I don't think it's the Arthur Smith stuff. Because like with Kyle Pitts, the problem was that he was basically just being used as an outside receiver constantly. And so they weren't really giving him any layups, right? If the, if the Raider want to set Brock Bowers up at fullback and, let him run like a clear first read flat route like i'm all for that i would have killed for cow pits to get some of that um i think the the nice thing of bowers like he just is a better traditional tight end than fit so if a coach was less imaginative and how they used him i think he would do well

with it um we'll see what happens with the route rate stuff like i i think that some of the like percentage of passing plays in which he was kept blocking is just pretty noisy like that's just not, if you just like look across the league and historically, including Luke Gatsy offenses, um, tight ends don't really have that high of a pass block rate. Like, even the ones, like George Kittle is a guy who has like kind of an annoying pass blocking rate. Cole Kempatt, admittedly, with Luke Gatsy had a slightly annoying pass blocking rate. But he, like, it was never more than like 10, 15%. Like, the idea that he or anyone is going to be pass blocking on 30% of the snap start there. I just don't think that that's really a thing that happens very much in the NFL.

what does happen obviously is that they're not on the field for enough routes. But that I'm way less concerned about because I think that the Raiders correctly realize that their four best pass catchers are all include these two tight ends. And, you know, it also was weird because Devonnie Adams didn't play in this game. So even more pronounced, whether they do this much 12th personnel with Devante Adams in there instead of, you know, Trey Tucker, we'll see. But if the idea is, it's like, yeah, like mayor, we want to keep on the field because he's good enough to be on the field.

I agree with them. He's going to be the more traditional in line tight end. He's going to handle all the block of the time. And it's like, that's fine with me. And then Bowers is going to play kind of all over the place. Like, I thought it was cool. You know, I just, I think Bowers is like kind of just good enough to win no matter how it works as long as they give him enough routes.

But this, this I thought was more positive than negative. Like the fact that they were going out of their way to scheme him up looks in a preseason game. Like, I don't know. That seems kind of encouraging to me. Seems like that they're making this. an offense of like a lot of kind of set plays where it's like which makes sense if you have a young quarterback a bad quarterback um but you have some very interesting weapons i don't think it's the worst thing in the world i guess to be like this is the adams play this is the bowers play like and

just sort of set your offense up like that probably makes it a little thing a little bit easier on aden o'connell maybe it gets too gimmicky but i don't know what did you guys think yeah no that the the idea of like that the bowers play this is adam's play that that's kind of what it looked like to me even on that um on like the goal line snap uh where bowers ran around from in line that looked like it was supposed to be the bowers play but like the pick just like didn't really happen correctly it seemed like he would have been the first read but there was a sack on the play anyway so we won't know but yeah that i'm kind of with you i think this is like cautiously optimistic and if I've gotten in a lot of trouble for comparing other tight ends to like Dalton

Kincaid as a bet but hey I don't know if like if you're speaking from like a redrap context now if you're going to pick a tight end where the point is I think they're clearly the most talented tight end on their team but there's another one who could potentially soak up snaps and routes that could be kind of annoying that i mean you can take bowers several rounds after kinkade so he doesn't have josh allen but yeah that's kind that's kind of that's kind of i'm just seeing a lot of dulton kinkade parallels i feel like the more the deeper we get into yeah i mean i think that the the whole idea of like we can get into the concave discussion too i thought he had really bullish usage this week um there's like a weird thing where people think that if if another tight end is

playing it's automatically bad and that's just not true. It's bad if it's bad if the bills are saying we want to be an 11 personnel all the time and we want to rotate Kincaid and Knox. That's bad. If they're just saying we want to be in 12 personnel half the time we're in 11, it's Kincaid. That's great. Like the more 12 snaps, the better, right? You'd rather compete, maybe less the case with the Raiders because mayor probably still actually is a better target earner than Trey Tucker. But like if you're the bills and you're telling me as a Kincaid manager that you can either compete with Curtis Samuel

for a target on a given play or Dawson Knox. I'm choosing Dawson Knox every single time. So I don't think that 12 personnel stuff is bad. I think that's actually bullish. I think the fear is more sometimes when they say stuff like, oh, we're going to be using both tight ends. The alarm bells are, okay, what if they actually aren't going into 12 personnel all the time? And they're these guys, which is kind of what happened with like Atlanta.

Yeah. But I mean, so the bills said this exact same thing last off season. And I know this because when I was trying to write a Dalton Kincaid blurb, I kept getting 2023 news items showing up. And I'm trying to source certain statements. And it's like, oh, they're saying all the same things about how they want to play more 12 personnel. The bills were not materially, materially higher in 12 personnel rate on their drawbacks than any other team in the league last year. It was really like. the Patriots and the Falcons who played a lot of 12 personnel on their dropbacks. Every other team in the league was just not that much, kind of bunched together. There's a tweet somewhere out there on my Twitter in the league. But yeah, I don't know. I just, yeah, I get scared when the thesis is we're going to play a lot of. I just love seeing somebody who was that first still in college. And like that's what makes him so valuable is the fact that you can put him anywhere on the field to get those sort of

like matchups to be just a absolute menace for the defense. And they're actually going to kind of move him around, try to put him in very advantageous situations to be able to use him like that. So I'm really bullish right now. I think I'm actually probably a little bit more bullish if Aiden O'Connell does win that job over Garner Minchu. I do think Garner Minchu's going to do just chucking it up to Devonte Adams way too much for my Brock Bauer shares, but I was really, really pleased with that.

Lucas, I think your last take to go here. But before we get that take, let's quickly do a little break here. We'll be back in just 60 seconds. All right, Lucas, what is your take here? Finish us out for this section of the pod before we get into our 5 for 5. Lucas, you're on mute. Son of my God, first time in like weeks I've done that. My take, it's a little bit of a piggyback off of some points that you've made throughout the offseason Jacob.

And that was the Denver running back's room. I was really encouraged by Jaliel McLaughlin's performance. I like that he got as many carries as he did. I like how efficient he was in his usage. I like that he was getting targets out of the backfield. So all of those stuff, big pluses. He's still value right now with where he's going. but the fact that there were so many running backs being used

does kind of concern me. Jacob, you've been saying for weeks now that Audrey estimate, it is the preseason, but I don't know, just the way that they were using Audrick Estimate, I can very much see where he is going to be sniping some touchdown, sniping some targets, sniping short down work from, say, a Williams,

which I did have to move Williams jersey. He doesn't deserve to be over here anymore. So I did have to move. him in my room. So that kind of scares me, but also scares me about potentially cutting into Joliel, the Gloffin having an even bigger season. So I'm a little bit scared, but I'm really encouraged by how efficient he was in his outing.

He was the only running back on the roster average over four yards per carry except for Tyler Batty. So we'll see, but I'm still going to be hopeful. Thoughts on Denver's running back room. thing I liked so people didn't it was basically they started really weird rotation with Denver because they started Jared Stidham in this game and then they go to Nix. They've also already announced that Nix is going to play or is going to start in week two the preseason and I think we all kind of expect Nix to start week one of the regular season.

So how they did the skill players was a little odd because it wasn't quite straightforward of a ones and twos is what you normally expect. So Cortland Sutton played snaps with he started the game and he played a full complement of snaps of Stinnom. He also stayed out there and he played with Nix. The rest of the wide receivers kind of rotated where they did Reynolds and Patrick primarily with Stinnum, although Mims played the first snap of the game and then no others. And then Stidham come and then Mims comes back in with Nix alongside Velae and Humphrey and Franklin.

And then a running back, it starts with Javante plays every early down. P. Ryan plays every long down on disc. Then Jalil comes in and he plays all the early downs. P. Ryan keeps playing some long down and distance. And then Estimate comes in and they let him stay on for his own third downs, which was, I thought, very, very notable. Watson and Bady come in at the very end, mostly with Sack Wilson. That was part that I thought was most notable, because Pryan makes his team,

it's very clear why. He's playing every time it's a third and ten. He's playing the two minutes. And that's really annoying because now it's probably means that Estimé is a healthy scratch, I assume. And then it's Javante is an early down-only role, and Jaliel's this little change of pace role. I think that Estima is the guy based on how I saw that usage that they think is the potential other option to play those long down on this.

And I thought he looked good and P. Ryan volleyed a ball directly into Kenny Moore's hands. So I think that's the encouraging part if you're if you're in on this back that we want Pryan out for the sake of any of the other three that you might be investing in. And overall, I think it was a pretty good outcome for that. I've been consistent that I think Jalil is the one that's being over drafted in that I just think he has kind of a self-contained role. I think he's going to play 10 to 15 snaps per game. I think he's going to look awesome in them. He's going to be efficient in them. I just think when it comes to goal line work, early down rushing, and then the long down and distance stuff, I think that they just don't want 180 pound UDFA to do that.

I think that is going to be a Javante and an estimate split of some. sort and I'm betting on P. Ryan to not make the team, but I'm really hoping that that last part old story. Yeah, I'm really hoping that Blake Watson finds some way to make that roster that P. Rind's gone, but we'll see. I think that that's like really all it comes down to it. This, I think we preemptively got interested in this backfield, like just assuming P. Ryan would be cut. And I mean, yeah, that certainly can still happen. I guess I would expect P. Ryan to get a lot of run in week one with the starters playing but starting off with the long down and just i guess that checks out either way i mean juju started the game for the patriots and then got like three hours later exactly so yeah i

yeah maybe it's just kind of a push for all the numbers i i would say as opposed to wanting to like spin a narrative about how actually p ryan played a lot so he's going to stay on the team or actually he sucked so he's definitely going to get cut even harder now all right we're going to come back We are going to do our 5 for 5 preseason edition in just, well, 60 seconds. All right, welcome back into Fantasy Points. And of course, keep in mind that if you would like, use all of the beautiful things that Fantasy Points has to provide, getting analysis from great minds like our very own Ryan Heath and several others.

Make sure for 10% off to use the code score more. That's S-C-O-R-E-M-O-E-M-O-E-O. O-R-E, all caps, score more for 10% off for a fantasy point subscription. No better time than right now as we get into draft season. Let's do our 5 for 5. Everybody knows how this game is played. There's five players. I give more points the earlier you answer the questions.

No Googling, no PFFing, no fencing, no fantasy pointsing. You must click at the chat. I will split your points with the chat. And I will know if you try to lie about not looking at the chat. This week, it's the preseason edition. All of the answers to this week's clues all led their teams in either passing yards, rushing yards, or receiving yards in a preseason week one game this year. Okay.

So all either a receiving yards leader, rushing yards leader, or passing yards leader for their team. Most of the clues are going to be a mix of things about the player and things that happened in this week's preseason game. Obviously, depending. on just how obscure the player is, I gave a little bit more or less away. All right. First player.

This player was a standout high school hockey player who first picked up the game at the age of three. I think we can go to the next one. You even got a hockey guess for five points? All right. Believe it or not, I didn't look this. We're American. We don't. We don't.

We don't have gotten this right away. I still have this player, Mary. All right. This player is a rookie. So he's a rookie and he played hockey at three years old. Make some guesses. Wow. Wow.

Wow. Running yards. Or rushing yards or passing yards. Wow. All right. No. I don't even want to dignify it with a guess. Yeah.

All right. This player primarily caught passes this weekend from Jeff Driscoll. Now my head's spinning trying to figure out where Jeff Driscoll. This is not good for the brand. No. Oof. Oof. I have nothing.

I'm sorry. You can tell me Jeff Riscoll's on like 12 different teams right now. Okay? Yeah, I believe you. That makes sense. We got a big three to Chad did not know Jeff Triscoll is still the NFL. All right. This player's final receiving line was three catches for 57 yards and zero touchdown.

You guys suck ass. Yep. Sorry. All right. Final clue. For box score watching. Final clue. This player was a round two pick in the 2024 draft from

Kansas State University. Oh, Lucas. Yeah, it's Benson. You got a buzz. You got a buzz, Ryan. Lucas gets one point. There we go.

And also, I'm sorry, that's, yeah, I'm a little ashamed, but I'll take the point. All right, you get one point.

That was rough. Okay, that was the easiest player to guess. So, good job, folks. Oh, no. You might win this one nothing, Lucas.

I thought you're going to get that on the first clue. I've been, talking about this hockey thing all offseason. All right. Okay. This player was the leading rusher this week for the Las Vegas Raiders. No one's got any guesses. If you get a Raiders running back, there's only like six of them. I'll guess. I hope he's still on the Raiders. Amir Abdullah? Incorrect. But that is the Raiders running back. Yeah. Okay. I'm a former preseason hero. Lucas has got a Raiders running back for us? No, I'm going to wait until the second guess. I'm going to

play the system. All right. This player made All-Conference USA at the University of Texas, San Antonio. I'm ashamed. Oh, my gosh. I know who it is. I just can't think of their name. Oh, son of a gun. Oh. Ryan, you got the answer. Is that where Madison went? That's not where Madison went. He went to Boise State. Okay. All right. This player is in his second year after spending his entire rookie season placed on injured reserve beginning on May 24th.

of 12th. Oh. I guarantee you that both of you would have added him in Dynasty leagues and then dropped them a week later when you run on the reserve. The guy they drafted who wasn't. UDFA. UDFA. Oh. I just can't think of his name. Like, I can see a picture of him. I just, his name's gone. All right. Okay. The next thing was going to be the stat lines. He went 11 carries for 32 yards and zero touchdowns. I'm going to guess it's not going to help anybody. I think we're going to go to the fifth blue here. here. All right. Fifth clue. Remember, we're looking for a hand or the word buzz or something signifying.

His first name is a synonym for the word earnest. And his last name is a candidate for the Pennsylvania Senate. Ryan Heath. Sincere McCormick? That's correct for one. Hey. Let's go. Oh, my gosh. I did not, I did not remember he was going to be honest. I just, the synonym for earnest is what is what brought that in. Right. There we go. That's the whole. Okay. One one one. All right. You have to do a lot of name clues. Plus the chat has a point, too. Yeah, chat gets a point as well.

Chat's at three. Lucas is at one. Oh, chat's good. Oh, my gosh. Okay. You go chat. All right. I'm going to just go on a limb and say, I'm going to bet the house that unless someone

in the chat is Googling, in which case you're going to be DQed because there's just no way people would know this one. That this will be for one point. But I'm going to read out the first four clues anyway, just to see. Oh, yes. All right. This player is in his third season from Austin P. University. All right.

This player. This player. He's going to guess it from just Austin P. This player led his team in receiving yards with two catches for 45 yards and no touchdowns. This player first saw NFL action last year with a line of three catches for 56 yards and one touchdown for the entire season. Okay. Oh, for the entire season. I was thinking like one.

I was like, all right. Which DFS slate did he break? Yeah, probably not. All right. This is a third year wide receiver playing for the Indianapolis Colts wearing number two. Oh, gosh, this is rough. This is so rough. All right.

Last clue. We're playing the name, Gabe. His first name is a musical profession, and his last name is the capital of Alabama. Oh, Ryan D. Okay. That's correct. There we go. One point for Ryan.

I just need like the different style. I can figure those out. That's easy. All right. Oh, my gosh. This is a very bad. This is very bad. Okay.

Ryan just wants to play name game trivia. If I just do clues about people's names, Ryan's going to be locked in. All right. This player went 10 of 19 for 111 yards. Like this week? Okay. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Nobody's cruised in the box score. Okay. This player was the 149th overall pick in the 2023 NFL draft. All right. I'm going to guess just so I could have guessed before the last pick. I'm going to say Stetson Bennett. That is incorrect, but very close.

Okay. Ryan, you get first guess on this one. Okay. This player is a Rose Bowl champion at Penn State University. Oh, God. I feel like I should definitely know this. I definitely have just gotten that. If you do not get it on this guest,

then Lucas gets a guess, and I can't imagine he's not going to be correct on this question. Three, two, one, Lucas, name that Rose Bowl winner. Oh, no. Oh, no. We're getting a call in a name, and now I'm second guessing myself. And I'm like, oh, crap.

Do I have my Penn State quarterback's wrong? wrong. Don't listen to chat. Go follow your heart. I'm going to say McSorily. That's incorrect. All right. I got my Penn State quarterback's wrong.

Okay. We're going to need a buzz or a hand up. This player's last name is more commonly a student with a big red dog. You take it. Clifford, yeah. Sean Clifford. Oh, my gosh. That will be three points for, because two points for Ryan.

We're going to the final round, and we don't even need to do double. Oh, I only have one point. I have one, or sorry, now I have two. I have two points. So don't, don't give me that many. Yeah. Okay, two points to two points. I don't need to do, I can do double points, I could do quadruple points.

I could do a hundred times the points. It doesn't matter. Whoever gets this one right on any question is going to be the winner of this hard fought game of free season five for five. All right. And I mean, I'll just say it. This is the most notable player on the list. So I think this is going to be live. You guys got to be ready to.

rock here. And I'm going to just say, chat, I'm going to ask that you do not participate in this one so that we can get a clear shot at a champion here with a tie score. I do greatly appreciate you guys. You've already clinched the win today. So the chat wins. I've left these guys hack it out for second place. The chat is closed on my. Okay. Or that. If you both promise to close the chat, then I'll let the chat play. It's closed. Let's do it that way. All right. Chat, play along as much as you wish. Okay. In this weekend's preseason game, he played across the field from a quarterback who took his place in a must win game. No, I'll repeat that just because that was a bit confused. In this week's preseason game, the player we're looking for played across the field from a player who took his place in a must win game. All right, that's clue number one. Despite being a quarterback, this player did not lead his team in passing yard.

He made this trivia game by leading his team in rushing yard. Sorry, you're going to say. All right. Can I ask a question about the clue? You can ask a question about the clue? I can't promise to answer it. Was the must win game that he took his place in an NFL game or was it a college game? I will answer that question.

It was an NFL game. Okay. I thought I was getting trolled there. No, it's an NFL game. Yeah, so just so I can be super clear, the quarter, the quarterback for the other team in this guy's preseason game took his start in a must-win NFL game. All right. And he led his team in rushing yards.

Okay. In his second career start, he almost beat the chief at Arrowhead Stadium despite only completing five passes. Come on. I'm going to do a random guess here. I'm going to say Josh Dobbs, but I don't think that one's right. Incorrect. Is it like Tyler Huntley? That is incorrect.

Two clues remain. Second last clue. This player was drafted with the 89th overall pick in a 22 NFL draft. 89th overall, third round. I believe there were only two quarterbacks drafted in the third round of the 2022 NFL round. Third round in 2022. Nope, okay, no. I have a spot taken in an awesome game, led his team in rushing yards.

had completed five passes and an overtime loss against you guys straight up bad all right yeah this has been rough yeah okay last clue here don't do like the name game thing because I'm going to feel like a loser if I went on that

no this player's college is led by Jerry Falwell Jr. Oh Ryan Heath Malik Willis that's correct oh my god you are the winner

I got it right because Oh my gosh I was on the rock team no! I know! I know! Oh my gosh, no! That's why I was sneaking myself and you said dog because I said you literally

Oh my gosh! Yeah. Oh, I had no idea that he actually led the team in rushing. Possible. I don't think that was why you guys didn't get it. So I think that was actually what threw me off. Yeah. So apologies for taking that down wrong.

I actually only had four clues written because I thought the other ones were very easy, so I had to change it. And I originally, the, originally the clue is he's a third round pick out of liberty. And I just guessed on 89. I'm going to be totally honest. I thought I knew it off off my head. Wow. Oh, I feel so.

I feel so dumb. Oh, my gosh. Oh, okay. All right. I'm going to go. I thought you guys to get on Clue 1. Oh, my gosh. And then I thought that the Chiefs game was like a total giveaway.

But anyway, that was just... I completely forgot about the Chiefs game. But now that I'm looking back out, I'm like, wow, those were some really, really good clues. And I'm so upset with myself. 5-10-16 and took the Chiefs overtime in one of the weirdest games I've ever watched. I was absolutely that hit. I'm going to go be rocking, back and forth in a shower as I cry myself. I was.

Would you like to have a big victory speech? Your first victory here on Dynasty Points 5 for 5. Yeah, I mean, it's nice to win something for once in my life. I've been waiting. So you want it based on Jerry Falwell Jr. Yeah, I'm winning it based on name, like word association and Jerry Falwell Jr. So, I mean, that kind of stings. But I don't know.

You don't have to know that when you are looking at the trophy in the trophy case. They all count the same. We'll get something set up here behind me. And yeah, I can just show off all my five for five. It's going to be my project the rest of the week. All right. We're very, very excited for you, Ryan. Ryan, where can people find you?

Yeah, you can find me on X at Ryan J. underscore Heath. Just had my 2024 version of my age curves article highly anticipated come out today. That is going to be paywalled after 24 hours. So at some point, like early afternoon tomorrow, that is going behind the paywall. So if you want to check that out, and you haven't yet, definitely go fantasy points.com. Check out my 2024 H-Kirves article.

It's like 10,000 words. I don't know how I somehow made it double the length of the original piece. But yeah, I'm excited about it. I like it. I think people should check it out. That's fantastic. Lucas, what's going on with you? You can find me on Twitter at L. Gilbert FF.

I've been doing some tool development so far in the off season. I'm hopefully going to have something. ready to roll out here really soon. So stay tuned to that. And I will only let this loss make me stronger. I cannot lose on such an embarrassing fashion. Again, I'm going to go take a hard look at myself in the mirror after this and come back better. Glad to hear that.

All right, you can find all my stuff up on thinking about thinking. I have a lot of recent stuff out there. I drop redraft rankings on Sunday. I dropped updated basketball rankings this week. I dropped a mail bag, as in as in I posted the bag. You can fill it up with mail. I will answer the mail this weekend. And then I did a review of my recent high stakes draft.

I'm going to keep cranking out the content there all the way until we have to redraft season at jacobsanderson. Substack.com. That's all for today. Thank you very much for tuning in. And clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose, and whatever else Tom says, good night, everybody. Oh yeah, that's me. I forgot I have buttons. I have to press tonight.

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