Fantasy Football Daily - 2025 Breakout & Bounceback Players for Fantasy Football with "The Guru" John Hansen

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

🔥 Fantasy Football Daily is back and better than ever with The Guru himself — John Hansen — joining the crew for a can’t-miss episode: 2025 Breakout & Bounceback Players for Fantasy Football ...🚀! We're diving DEEP into the biggest year-two breakouts, prime bounceback candidates, and everything you need to dominate your leagues this season 🏆. This week’s jam-packed episode includes: 🔓 Year 2 Breakout Watch – Who’s ready to pop in 2025? • Rome Odunze: Future WR1 vibes? • Ricky Pearsall, Legette & JJM: The sophomore surge is real • Bryce Young & Drake Maye: Will they rise or fall in Year 2? • Theo Johnson & Luke Schoonmaker: TE sleepers 💪 Bounceback SZN – Players ready to reclaim fantasy glory • Jordan Love & Justin Fields: Time to believe again? • Dalton Kincaid: Ascending into elite TE territory • Dolphins Duo: Tyreek Hill & Jaylen Waddle bounce back to WR dominance? • Deebo Samuel: More than just gadget plays in 2025 • Breece Hall: Still that dude? Plus: Guru insights you won’t hear anywhere else 👑, bold predictions, and sneaky names to stash 🔮 Don’t miss this electrifying episode with elite fantasy minds and get the edge you need heading into the 2025 season 💥. Where to find us: http://twitter.com/Fantasy_Guru http://twitter.com/TheOGFantasy Join the Discord here: https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/discord#/ Find Our Podcasts here: https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts#/ Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE: https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@fantasypts #fantasypoints #nfl #fantasyfootball #dynastyfantasyfootball #FantasyFootballAdvice #dynastypoints #dynasty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:14 We are officially two weeks out from the start of the NFL draft. I'm Theo Graminger, Fantasy Football Daily. Join today by John Hanson. This is John and I just podcasted over with Brian Drake over on your show. the Fantasy Points podcast, John. Now we're back at it. Fantasy Football Daily. This is going to be a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:01:41 How are you doing today, man? I'm doing really well. Actually, I wasn't doing that well. I've been staving off like that sinus infection. If you're on the East Coast, at least, man, the allergies have been horrific. But, you know, just about 20 minutes ago, like, man, I feel like crap, you know what I mean? But I just logged in and we start chopping it up a little bit.
Starting point is 00:02:04 I know you're very passionate about the NFL and the upcoming fantasy season. And all of a sudden, I feel good. I'm ready to go, ready to rock and roll. I think I have some, you know, I think I have a relatively hot take here at the top. So fired up. Yeah, no, for sure. And this show, we're going to talk about breakouts and bouncebacks. Some players that we think are going to take a big step forward, maybe have their best fantasy season ever,
Starting point is 00:02:30 taking a specific look at a lot of year two players. and we're also going to talk about some fantasy football bouncebacks. Every year we sort of see a few veterans who people might leave a little bit too low in ADP and they beat ADP expectations and provide us a lot of fantasy football value. We're going to try to circle a couple of those players as well. But, you know, it's two weeks out from the NFL draft, John. I got to get your opinion on this class of players. Seems like every single guest I'm talking to, whether it's Brett Whitefield or it's a guest we're having on.
Starting point is 00:03:01 I know Scott Barrett and I just did a rookie mock draft with Richard Rebar over on the School of Scott podcast. We're talking about this rookie class. So I got to ask you, let's take a bird's eye view. Just how excited are you about this incoming group of rookies and their potential impact on fantasy football this season and beyond? So yeah, this rookie class, Theo, is all about the running backs. And thank God because I'm going to get into some thoughts on the overall pool going into 2025. But I do think we're going to be able to pull out two to three to three. three viable starters a quarterback, maybe, maybe one or two more.
Starting point is 00:03:35 I mean, there are a good number of solid names here. Don't want to, you know, get too excited. Most of the time, you know, the, the Tyler showers of the world are, you know, don't really get it done. But we do have some potential here. The great run-in-back class, wide receiver, certainly deep as always. The quality is a little lacking here, so I'm not expecting a lot. And it is a pretty good tight-end class.
Starting point is 00:03:59 but I think the real point that came to me is I was preparing to do this podcast with you is I have a little exercise that's very basic when I'm looking to create lists. I go through the league all 32 teams. I pull up every depth chart and I stare at it. Sometimes I speak in tongues while I'm staring at it catatotically. But seriously, I mean, I just, I think through every single guy and everything. and that's how I come up with my list. So doing that, looking for potential breakouts, boy, it was not a good list.
Starting point is 00:04:37 So I do think that this looks like it might be the most boring season of all time on paper. Now, that doesn't mean fantasy is going to be boring this year because every league is going to have a winner. You know, people will win money. We're going to enjoy the activity just as much. But the league itself, things I don't think are. lining up all that well, at least pre-draft. We'll see maybe all the running backs land in really good spots and the receivers landing good spots and the tight ends as well.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Now we're probably fine, but we know that usually does not happen. Yeah, it's never clean. I mean, you think about so many years where we're sitting there hoping that a guy lands in one of these wide open spots and instead he lands in a spot where he's really boxed out for early and immediate work. It happens every single draft. I mean, Zach Charbonnet is like the biggest lesson here, a guy that we thought was going to land in a backfield where he took over.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Instead, he lands in a backfield where he's a headache to Ken Walker and also has never gotten that starting opportunity. So it happens every single year. You mentioned the depth and quality of the wide receiver spot. You're going to have more and more teams where we have Adonai Mitchell-like landing spots every single year as well just because of the depth. So let's go ahead and start with some of the guys from last year, though. We're a year removed from the 2024 NFL draft, and there were so many success stories for us fantasy football-wise last year, specifically at the wide receiver spot, Brian Thomas, Malik neighbors, Ladd-McConkey, unbelievable production from those guys, and it's being reflected in their early ADP.
Starting point is 00:06:15 One guy who didn't register is Roma Dunzee. And whenever you discuss breakouts with anyone in fantasy, Adunze is the one where people have completely circled. The early ADP market for best ball has pushed a dunesay right up on the wide receiver two, wide receiver three line. People are paying for this breakout. Do you think that it's correct? And a dunesay in year one with Ben Johnson is going to give you the sort of year that we were hopeful for last year? Very tough call because, you know, as our Scott Barrett has opined a million times, upside wins championships. And Scott has a much more, much better command of all.
Starting point is 00:06:57 the data involved in a statement like that than I do, but that's basically been my deal for 30 years. I'm all about upside and all that. So on one hand, I understand why the markets are looking at them. I mean, you know, at least in a dynasty perspective, I see here he's wide receiver 17 in a startup dynasty. That that is pretty darn rich. And you really can't go off of of anything from last year and say, okay, I think he's the wide receiver 17. I mean, it's a, it's a sheer projection. You know, as I think through everything, did I see enough flashes from Adunze to believe he could be a one?
Starting point is 00:07:43 I did. I think I did. Maybe people are also, of course, banking into the equation to Ben Johnson element. And, you know, certainly we should be optimistic. But, I mean, I'm not there yet in terms of Adunze. it's one of those deals. It's not just the players, it's the cost. And it sure seems like it's going to be a fairly absorbent cost.
Starting point is 00:08:04 And I'm not sure I'm ready to sign off on that. I'm not sure that Caleb Williams is ready for prime time to truly get him the ball. You do have DJ more there, still the one. Yeah, it's really interesting. And I'm sort of with you here where Adunzee in years past, we would have maybe gotten a duncee in the same level that we had for JSN last year. where the market really punishes the poor rookie production, and we get them at like a low-end wide receiver three cost.
Starting point is 00:08:35 But if you just look at the ADP on Underdog, Adunze is going ahead of D.K. Metcalf, Tett McMillan, Cortland Sutton, who's the clear one in Denver, Jordan Addison, who was 15 points per game last year. Alave projects to be the clear wide receiver one in New Orleans, if he can stay on the field, and so on. So it's just a, you're taking a dunzee at a spot ahead of, some very valuable guys who were either the wide receiver won on their team or a guy that
Starting point is 00:09:01 produced a lot more than he did last year. And then you bring up Dynasty. What's super interesting to me is, and I realize there's a huge age gap. But DJ Moore is sitting there in the dynasty, depending on where you play Dynasty, DJ Moore is about seven spots below him in the wide receiver ADP. It just seems like if I'm going to bet on the Ben Johnson offense coming in and working big time, DJ Moore is just a low-hanging fruit. So that's sort of where I'm Matt. So yeah, totally. And DJ, by the way, for what it's worth, as you know, it was pretty young coming out.
Starting point is 00:09:31 I interviewed him that year at the combine. I think he was, I think he may have only been 20. It was like 20. Yeah, 20 years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very mature dude, by the way. I was very impressed when I interviewed DJ more. I mean, he did come on the CRSXM show a couple years later.
Starting point is 00:09:46 It was one of the worst interviews I've ever done because he didn't really answer any questions. But man, he, he, I was impressed. I was like, this guy's like a 35-year-old man. I mean, he takes it seriously. And I think that's totally shown and played out in his career. Another player who people are betting on to take a big year two leap is Ricky Purcell. I know we shared some names with one another. We both came up with Purcell.
Starting point is 00:10:09 That's another one where first round talent last year, unbelievably athletic player, had the bad circumstances off the field, got shot to start. I mean, about as bad as you can get. And ended up closing the year with two big time performances. One was in week 18 when we weren't playing. fantasy leagues, but it's still, it's still counted with the stats. Purcell now has a really clear path. Brandon Ayuk's still on the roster, but banged up, could miss the start of the season.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Joanne Jennings had a huge usage pop last year. Hard to imagine Jennings having a much higher usage than he did last year. Purcell seems like he could inherit a lot of the Debo Samuel role in a maybe a different way. But I think he's super athletic, John. He's very intriguing. He's got the draft capital. are you in on Purcell at cost? Absolutely, because speaking of, you know, those combine interviews,
Starting point is 00:11:02 I did the final year in 2024. I mean, I never say never. I might go back, but I didn't go back in 2025. And watching Pearsall, I wish Theo, you were able to see him at the Senior Bowl the year before. I know you were with us this past year, but I may have told the story before. But so I get there. and you know, Brett Whitefield is, you know, definitely ahead of me for sure on scouting out these rookies.
Starting point is 00:11:30 So I'm a little behind the eight ball. And a lot of times the first time I'm laying eyes on these dudes at the senior bowl. Although sometimes I, you know, I certainly try and prep, you know, so I get to the bleachers, go to sit down. Brett goes, oh, there's my guy Ricky Pearsall. I'm like, oh, cool. Let me watch him. And he smokes a couple DBs three plays in a row on like downfield type of row.
Starting point is 00:11:51 So I was like, damn. I was like, can he be my guy? too, which was my question. And then he kind of was. So I set up that interview and it was the best vibes I've ever had in my life from a wide receiver. And I've had a lot of great ones. I told him he was a separatist. And I love that.
Starting point is 00:12:08 And he loved that term. But good dude, man. I mean, real good. Like that's a guy that, you know, you put it all together. You know, like we all know he's pretty damn talented. I mean, maybe a notch below a true stud. We all know he made great catches and acrobathe. bad of catches and we all know he ran pretty well. He tested pretty well. So you add it all up.
Starting point is 00:12:29 And I'm sitting down with this guy. I'm like, this guy's the man. I mean, this guy's awesome. You know, so, uh, you know, but now we do have, uh, actual tangible stats that don't look that great, uh, 1.4 or 5 yards per route run. Uh, Joanne Jennings, I got, I did not know this. Uh, I didn't realize it was this close to age different age gap. It's only two years. I know Ricky's a little older. Uh, it's a little bit of a leap of phase. Uh, it's a little bit of a leap of faith, but you know, you just got to go for it. If you believe in the player, which I do, and you believe in the system, which I do, and the quarterback, which I do, I mean, we're checking off a lot of boxes here with Ricky Pearsall. Yeah. And I think what's interesting with Purcell,
Starting point is 00:13:08 you talked about the athleticism. And we've also, when you talked about Adunze, you talked about the price. With Purcell, he's not nearly as steamed up. And obviously, Adunze is a guy that had way, way higher draft capital coming out. But you're able to be able to. able to get Ricky Purcell as wide receiver 40 on underdog. I mean, that's phenomenal. It's terrific. And you're getting him at a spot where it's all upside. The hit rates are already not that high.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Why not chase that sort of profile? I just think it's interesting. Like, Debo had so many manufactured rushing plays. That's not Purcell. But can they get Purcell around the ball around the line of scrimmage and try to manufacture that Debo role in addition to what he can do downfield? and like you said, his separation ability. So I think I'm with you, personal, especially at cost,
Starting point is 00:13:56 is definitely a breakout we want to bet on. We're going to take a quick break. We come back, a forgotten year-two wide receiver that John is in on. Welcome back, Fantasy Football Daily, Theo Griminger with John Hanson. We're talking about breakouts and bouncebacks. Make sure you're checking out Brett Whitefield's prospect guide available over at Fantasy Points. You can get that for free just by registering an email.
Starting point is 00:14:20 and if you are getting ready for the NFL draft like a lot of you are, I dropped my NFL mock draft first round, including some trades. That came out this week as well. John, let's talk about a player that is not getting nearly any buzz right now. In fact, I would argue that there's an undrafted free agent teammate on his team, Jalen Coker, that's getting a lot of enthusiasm in the dynasty community this offseason. Xavier Ligette was a first round pick last year. Carolina traded into the first round.
Starting point is 00:14:48 They selected Liget. right at the end of it. And Leggett is a player that had it flashed a little bit, not a whole lot there, but this is a player that athletically is superior, a proper alpha-sized player. This is a guy that right now, like I think people are really assuming that Carolina Goads and ads past catchers in the course of the NFL draft. That might just not happen. And Leggett might be a guy that's just sitting there and he's dirt cheap. yeah no doubt about it uh i go back once again to that senior bowl uh he was there uh two years ago back in well 24 and you know i was excited to check him out and all that and first day was like not good i'm like wow he he he suffered a little bit he struggled out there um second day was better clearly
Starting point is 00:15:41 third day was better than that clearly and then he kind of talked about he was like yeah i mean you know my head was spinning a little bit needed a minute you know i'm like that you know when i rarely do something like amazingly well like right away you know what i mean like i need some reps here you know what i mean i'll get better and better and better uh there were a number of times when you saw potential big opportunity remember the eagles game and he dropped that bomb i mean that was kind of ugly but he was also in a position to make some massive big plays um run after the Catch speaking of Debo Samuel is like a Debo Samuel. I do have a good vibe on him.
Starting point is 00:16:21 I don't know if he's ever going to be great, but I think he's a viable breakout candidate for sure, and he's going to be of value. The only other thought is, speaking to that combat, I didn't talk with him, but I was standing next to him for a while. My man is big. I mean, he is big. I mean, he is wide. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:41 He has got an upper body. That's ridiculous. He's A.J. Brown-sized. Like he's very similar to AJ in terms of the size. And like Ligette, I just think it's interesting that he's wide receiver 66 on underdog. So he's basically free. And then in Dynasty, he's a guy that you can go get for a third round pick.
Starting point is 00:17:00 I think people are ready to re-roll that pick. So Ligette's interesting. Definitely is one where we'll keep an eye on the NFL draft. But if he comes out of that unscathed, the Panthers organizationally, like they played him nearly every game last year. this is the guy that was on the field a ton. Maybe he takes a slight step forward and wide receiver 66 free right now. The quarterback has a number of players who are interesting breakout candidates. Let's start out with Bryce Young. This is the Dave Canales offense. Young was of course benched for Andy Dalton, but came back and played great towards the end of the season.
Starting point is 00:17:37 I mean, really impressive fantasy numbers in a number of weeks for Bryce Young. Dave Conallis has been associated with being like sort of a quarterback whispered. for the Baker Mayfield, Tampa Bay, certainly Gino in Seattle, and Russell Wilson's best fantasy season ever was Dave Canales as the quarterback coach over there in Seattle. So like this one seems like it could happen. And Bryce Young is a player that, again, is being priced out here in a very reasonable price tag in all formats.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Totally. The only real negative I have to say about Dave Canales is he once bumped our guy Tom Brawley off a flight to Mobile at the Senior Bowl. That's really the only negative we have here. I mean, Brawley graciously gave up his seat for, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:22 one of 32 a head coach is in the NFL. But, yeah, seriously, I thought it was a little bit of a, you know, I thought it was pretty proactive, that they went out and got Dave Canales.
Starting point is 00:18:35 I totally understood that he had a very successful season in Tampa, for sure. But, you know, he only really did it in one place, one time. I believe only called play. one year.
Starting point is 00:18:47 So it was a little bit of a leap of faith, but I think so far, I think they made the right choice. I remember talking with Rashad White going into the 2023 campaign, and he pretty much guaranteed success of the offense because of Dave Canales. He's like, look, it's been simplified.
Starting point is 00:19:05 He knows how to put us in the best position to succeed, unlike Byron Lefich the year before. I mean, that was pretty damn bad. simplifies everything. And that I think was critical for Gino Smith. How did Gino Smith go from toiling for damn near a decade to, you know, playing at a pro bowl level. It was, you know, I think Dave Canales simplifying that offense.
Starting point is 00:19:29 So Bryce Young absolutely by the end of this season, if you would take his final six to eight games and just put them in the front end of his career and say, these are the first six to eight games that Bryce Young plays as a rookie. you'd be like, yeah, totally played how I would expect him to play, which I think is a pretty damn good sign. Yeah, and quarterback 24 on underdog right now, it's a price tag where he's being treated like just a low end quarterback too. But we saw last year, like you said, the tail end of the season, his number one target was Adam Thielen and a couple of rookies. There was really nothing out there. At the very least, his weapons are going to be a year older. And like we said,
Starting point is 00:20:11 Carolina could potentially add somebody in the NFL draft. They've done everything with the running game there where they drafted Brooks. It didn't work out. Obviously, he got hurt. But they extend Chuba Hubbard, who's been very successful in this offense. They bring in Rico Dattle as a backup. And they really short up that interior offensive line last year, which is important for a quarterback that short in Bryce Young.
Starting point is 00:20:33 So I'm with you. I think that Bryce Young right now is a value. And I think he's actually become a trade target in Dynasty. he's still getable. So interesting there. Now, a player that didn't play last year, but is in a phenomenal system that's produced a ton of fantasy football success, is the Minnesota Vikings with J.J. McCarthy.
Starting point is 00:20:56 McCarthy, of course, was a guy that another, we talked about Brett Whitefield. Brett Whitefield loved J.J. McCarthy last year and thinks that he's going to be unbelievable in Minnesota for his career. Your thoughts on McCarthy in year one of this Kevin O'Connell. system. I do my best to have my own thoughts. Can I be influenced by certain people? Sure. But at the end of the day, I take, I go with my own takes. I have found so far, I've been working now with Brett for a number of years. Like, we're usually on the same page. He comes out with that controversial
Starting point is 00:21:35 ranking and take. And I'm like, all right, I can see it. Let me, let me dive in a little bit. And, you know, I think the most important point here is I am a lifelong Minnesota Vikings fan, as I've mentioned a million times on podcasts and the like. And, you know, I literally lobbied their GM at the Combine three years in a row to get what I call it. You know, I'm like, Quasi Adolpha Mensa, great guy, nice guy. He is from basically five miles away from where he used to live. So that's why I kind of had it in with them. I was like, oh, you know, I begged him. I was like, dude, I've been following this team for over 40 years.
Starting point is 00:22:15 I cover the NFL for a living. I can tell you, most long-term fans agree with me. We're not winning crap unless we get a transcendent player at the quarterback position, and it would help to get a great coach. I'm not sure we have one in O'Connell, although I think we might. He slipped up a little bit down the stretch here, but, you know, So then I popped it in and I'm like, yeah, I see it. I see it.
Starting point is 00:22:44 You know, I have a really good vibe on them. Then we watched them in that first preseason game. I thought it was very good. I mean, one game. I mean, that's all we got, you know. But a lot of times at quarterback, that first impression is very meaningful. And if you can, if you show that you can play very early like that, most of the time it's not a fluke. I always bring up, believe it or not, Joe Flacco, uh, got.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I was working with Adam Kaplan, like actually kind of created Flacco. He started reporting on him out of Delaware. And then people were like, oh, he's a third round pick. By the time the draft came, he was the first round pick. But first game. I'm like, this guy's poised. He's fine. He's going to be good, you know?
Starting point is 00:23:29 So you can tell very quickly, I saw enough from JJ McCarthy. And then if you listen to me on the podcast or all my spots on Sirius XM, I started getting annoyed with the Sam Darnold love. And no offense to Sam Darnold. I liked them coming out too. I thought he had a real good chance. But I'm like, guys, slow the role here. We're not franchising him.
Starting point is 00:23:48 We're not bringing them back. This is a case of a talented player with a lot in his toolbox, but also with issues, being managed and coached very well in a very good system with very good players. So, end of the day, Jay-J. McCarthy is in a lot. that exact same environment, and I would argue that J.J. McCarthy right now, today is better than Sam Darnold later in the down. The later in the down, the worst Sam Darnold gets. The later in the down, I think the better J.J. McCarthy will be getting. I'm not going to say he's, we're there, but I think that's the difference right there. I think J.J. Prys snaps it off. It's really close. I mean, Donald may have a stronger arm.
Starting point is 00:24:39 but I think it's close. But I think that's it, Theo. I think the difference between these two quarterbacks in this great environment is McCarthy can make magic happen on second reaction plays. And Sam Darnold typically has panic attacks on second reaction plays. I love it. And any mention of Darnold is sort of the big argument for quarterbacks working in the system. The opportunity to start in that Kevin O'Connell system for a year got Sam Darnold paid on his next contract. And they've all had success there where, you know, Kirk Cousins gets injured.
Starting point is 00:25:13 He's leading the NFL in touchdown passes. Josh Dobbs had Josh Dobbs like mania during a few games there in Minnesota where he's a QB1. Even Nick Mollins had those two big games where he had close to 400 passing yards and he was a QB1 in consecutive weeks. For me, J.J. McCarthy has this mobility where we don't know how it's going to necessarily translate. But this guy runs like a 4-540 first round pedigree, 27 and 1. one as a college starter. So yeah, I think McCarthy is one that has underrated fantasy upside. I think the market's treating him as a, he'll be fine because he's surrounded by all
Starting point is 00:25:48 these past catchers, a good coach and a good O line. I think with McCarthy, he's got a little bit of room to run in terms of his production. I think he's a QB1. I love that one. I'm going there. Yeah, so if you're on him as a QB1, John, that's a massive value for bestball managers. Anybody listening playing best ball, you can. get J.G. McCarthy at QB20, pick number 134 on Underdog.
Starting point is 00:26:13 And he's a guy where, you know, obviously there's many options to stack him if that's what you're doing in best ball. Drake May, this guy was flashed big time. Like Drake May, you know, anybody who covered waiver wire content like yourself last year was constantly writing about Drake May because he was available in a lot of waiver wires. And he had that upside for you where, he flashed with his legs, he flashed with his arm, and he had multiple games where it was either he rushed for a bunch of yards
Starting point is 00:26:45 or maybe he had 275, 280 passing yards, despite a lack of pass catchers. This year, maybe in year two, we see him put that together where he's going to fire off and give you these games where he's effective as a runner and as a passer. They add Stefan Diggs. They obviously add stability with Mike Vrable, and we expect them to address the offensive line
Starting point is 00:27:06 and the past catchers in the course of the NFL draft. Your thoughts on Drake May and his fantasy football upside. He's a high-end QB2 right now. So the market's pretty excited. But do you think he's got room to run from that price tag? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I have a lot here. You know, Drake May, by the way, is another example of like you can tell pretty early
Starting point is 00:27:27 if a guy can play or not. And, you know, full disclosure, I wasn't a pound the table on Drake May guy because I had some questions about processing, see it and throw it, maybe a little too much hero ball and all that. But all he did was be dropped into the NFL, basically. I was very much against starting him early in the season. And they played it right. You know, he was ready to play probably a few weeks before that based on what they saw in
Starting point is 00:28:00 practice. But here's a guy. We already know all the physical tools are they. there. Like it's it's Josh Allen ask. I mean, Alan's a freak. I don't think anyone has his burst and arm strength, but it's it's in there, uh, in that vicinity as everyone kind of comp. But what you saw was, okay, he's got the physical tools. Great, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:22 but clearly the game was just not too big for him. So, you know, he's got the poise. So that really, really bodes well. And, and by the way, I don't know how much people have talked about it, but Josh McKeever Daniels is back, man. Yeah. And that is huge because he is a professional offensive coordinator or like anybody else that they had there.
Starting point is 00:28:42 I like McDaniels. I think he's pretty damn good. So I think that's a great spot. But to my point about this being boring, and maybe they will add a receiver. Let me look at this receiving cord, though. This is just absolutely repugnant because you have, I would say you have six guys currently at wide receiver
Starting point is 00:29:01 who, if they go for a hundred and a tutty in a game, game. No one's going to really bat an eyelash. Six. Diggs, if healthy, Douglas, Booty, Kisham Booty, even Mac Hollins. The guy makes big plays. Lift litter, lid lifter, Kendrick Bourne. And then, you know, Polk and Baker, the rookie's like year two. I mean, maybe that's a little bit. But that is a lot. And yet no, no one, no alpha, no one stands out as draft me, including a tight end. So, yeah, they've got depth, but, I mean, for fantasy, it's May. That's it.
Starting point is 00:29:41 That's literally it. I don't even think I'm in on a remandre this year. Yeah, I agree with you. I'm out on Ramondri, too. I think he's actually a low-key guy. We could have talked about all the guys that are going to get nuked on the course of the NFL draft by these running backs. Like, Mondre has been, I think, running back-to-back years and points per game.
Starting point is 00:29:56 We could use a change there. I think Diggs is one where they want to get a lot out of them. I think if he's healthy, it's interesting because he was 15 points per game last year. But yeah, they need to add some help for May. And they need to protect him too. But like you said, I mean, for fantasy football purposes, the lack of a running back there, we could get a lot of May around the goal line. And inside the five-yard line, and specifically,
Starting point is 00:30:19 May could be really good fantasy-wise there and push his floor up. He's got the gun. He's a really interesting one. I think the market's pushing him up. But I think the price tag makes sense. talk about two potential breakout tight ends, both in the NFC East. Theo Johnson, he's got the best name in the NFL, best first name by far. And then Luke Schoonmaker, who not a lot of people are talking about,
Starting point is 00:30:45 but Schoonmaker, the way more athletic of the two tight ends in Dallas. Yeah. Were you a big Theo from the Cosby show guy? I'm not sure how old you were. I got that a ton. Growing up that, I got an absolute ton of that. So not too many Theo's out there. That's the most famous one during that time period.
Starting point is 00:31:01 There's a guy who was a regular on the Cosby show at the end that my wife and I went to high school with. His name is Steve Lee. But anywho, he was also in that movie Lean on Me with Morgan Freeman. It was pretty wild. When my wife was in high school, he was a senior. I had already graduated. She was a couple years ahead of me.
Starting point is 00:31:21 And literally, like, the whole class went to the movies to watch this kid in the movie. I was like, wow, it was pretty cool. But anyway, Theo Johnson was not someone I was all that. excited about going into the season. You know, the athletic profile was, was interesting for sure. And I thought he looked pretty good. Not expecting the world, but you just look at the roster.
Starting point is 00:31:47 And, you know, there's a nice little path here to, dare I say, be the second option in the passing game pending the draft and all that. I mean, that might be a stretch. but I mean, you know, if you're running the Giants and you're working with the current roster after Malik neighbors, who are you looking at here? Wandale? I mean, look, Darrys Slaten is the most underrated guy in the world. But every time we like Darry Slayton, he kind of lets us down. He only goes off when we are not expecting it. But he's good. But, I mean, where else are you going here on the roster? Yeah, no, I think you make a good point there. And Johnson has the size, the athleticism,
Starting point is 00:32:27 to be a factor in the red zone there. I mean, I think a little self-scouting is they don't want to have to utilize Wondell Robinson as much as they did last year. I mean, it was crazy the amount of targets he got. And I think that Johnson, it's one where Brian Dable coming back is good for him because I think Dable started to use him. And then Johnson had a little bit of momentum and then was lost for the season with an injury that would have maybe potentially where we could have seen a couple of spike games
Starting point is 00:32:56 towards the end of the year. Johnson's interesting because every year we get these tight-end success stories where guys are not drafted as tight-end twos and they come out and they completely beat expectations in terms of ADP. And when we're chasing tight-end profiles, we love chasing those athletic guys. Figo Johnson's only tight-end 33 as well, John. So if you're drafted on underdog, you can draft them as like your tight-end three. You just get a couple of usable weeks and you're looking awesome. You look good. Ross Wilson, though, not a great guy to get him in the ball over the middle and all that. But, you know, he should still be set up for decent volume, really decent.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Yeah. And the other player you mentioned Schoonmaker, dirt cheap, tight end 53. Schoonmaker, we had like a two-week period where Jake Ferguson was out. We thought it was going to be a prolonged injury for Ferguson. Ferguson ended up coming back and Schoonmaker tailed off a little bit. but Ferguson is tight end 17, Schoonmaker is tight end 53, massive gap between the two of them.
Starting point is 00:34:01 You think Schoonmaker is a reasonable bet here. We'll say I was very high on Ferguson last year. He was my top tight end target. And for a little while there was looking pretty good, but until it wasn't, unfortunately. Obviously, the Dak Prescott injury was nasty. I've interviewed both of these two tight ends, by the way, They're both great guys.
Starting point is 00:34:25 I don't want to, you know, not everyone's a great guy. Who, Spencer Rattler interviewed him. Not a great guy. Didn't like him. Okay. I like to offset it every once in a while. Didn't like him. And he stunk last year, by the way.
Starting point is 00:34:40 But these two guys were really good dudes. All those tight ends are good guys. I don't know why. They're like Salt of the Earth guys. But at this point, I think we look at talent, period. And you nailed it. I mean, he just moves back. better than Ferguson. Let's be honest here. He's a little bit more athletic. He's got a little bit more pop, a little bit more juice, a little bit more upside. And they'll certainly be dirt cheap. So I am a little worried about bailing on Ferguson because he's a great guy. He's very smart. But he just is not really a needle mover. He's coming off an ugly year. Schoonmaker was a second round pick. So I think I'd put my eggs in that basket and hope for a real good ROI. Because again, I don't know what his ADP is, but he's like a free pick, as you said there.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Completely free. And I think it's interesting because the tight end development, like we're so used to the recency of fantasy football where we've got guys like Leporta hitting right away. But when it comes to the tight end position, a lot of times you get these sort of later breakouts. And like you said, Schoonmaker was a second round pick in this organization, athletically gifted. And Ferguson also missed some time last year and didn't really deliver. So the Dak Prescott, tight end has always been super, super fantasy friendly. So you know my theory. Well, my theory is on that. DAC is a slow blinker, I think.
Starting point is 00:36:02 I think he's a little slow of a processor. See it and throw it. And I think if his first read isn't there, he looks in the middle of the field for his blankie. Simple as that. There you go. Well, we're going to talk about some bouncebacks. We're going to take a quick break.
Starting point is 00:36:15 And when we come back, we're going to talk about Jordan Love. Can he take a big step forward in his third year as the starter? Welcome back. Fantasy Football Daily, Theo Greminger with John Hanson. We talked about our breakouts. Now let's talk about our bouncebacks. Jordan Love was a guy that a lot of us were really betting on last year.
Starting point is 00:36:34 I think we podcasted last year and we talked about our enthusiasm for Jordan Love. Jordan Love started out the season was leading the NFL in touchdown passes like on a per game basis early in the season. Over the second half of the season, we saw a lot of turnovers and we saw an emergence of Josh Jacobs and the offense changing to this run-heavy approach. Yeah. Maybe they get back to balance this year. Jordan Love certainly was unbelievable his first year as a starter, and they paid him this gargantuan contract.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Your enthusiasm for Love heading into the 2025 season. First of all, he was also, I mentioned Ferguson. Love, unfortunately, was my number one quarterback target. I had Burrow at two, but that's great, but I got to suck it up and take an L on love. but, you know, I stand by the call. I mean, again, it's always not by, not just a player. It's the price. And I just thought that he had the best value combo, like the best ROI potential, thought
Starting point is 00:37:36 very highly of him as a prospect coming out many years earlier, spoke with a lot of quarterback gurus at the combine that year, who I respect who secretly like, yeah, don't, don't sleep on love, you know. So we know what. happen but I also had talked to people who said no no light bulb went on light bulb went on now I was in on on the year before too by the way not not as like a pound the table guy but you know it was a great example of how you know things can quickly unravel there's um so many things that can go wrong uh I once hung out for a night with a J. Feeley um actually uh him and his wife who Heather Mitz who was
Starting point is 00:38:21 the Olympic soccer player. They were looking for houses in our town. Actually, actually went to dinner with them. And we, we, we, we,
Starting point is 00:38:28 we, we, we, we, we, we, we, about, like,
Starting point is 00:38:31 two hours about, like, the quarterback position and how so many things can go wrong. And he had just kind of come off, uh, playing behind Sam Bradford in,
Starting point is 00:38:40 uh, St. Louis for a couple years at the time. And I love Sam Bradford coming out. And I'm like, man, this is, this is not going well. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:38:49 With Bradford. And he's like, yeah, but you know this happened and then this and then that i'm like yeah geez there's like so many things that could go wrong for a quarterback and i would say that happened uh with green bay the two injuries really hurt i mean because i think they kind of rushed him back he was forcing a little bit he was kind of playing on like one and a half leg start throwing the picks then goes the confidence then goes the identity shift now you know lefleur did cut his teeth feeding a ball to
Starting point is 00:39:21 at Derek Henry in Tennessee, so we know he's a run-game guy. But Aaron Rogers also won two MVPs under LaFleur. And he didn't win the MVP's handing it off. You know what I mean? So LaFleur took a step back. The offense identity shifted. But I would say this, too, like, well, how did it go with that shift? Not well.
Starting point is 00:39:44 So to your point, I think, and even Josh Jacobs said this in the offseason, like, yeah, we do need to balance this out a little bit more. they need to get a someone they can hang their hat at it wide receiver. I think it got a little crazy here with rotating all these guys and it's like you guys I mean, maybe you want a little bit fewer rotations here
Starting point is 00:40:04 to have a little bit more continuity. But they do are, they are still lacking a one. But overall, end of the day, coming off a bad year, I think if he's healthy, he's going to run a little bit more. He had four touchdowns the year before.
Starting point is 00:40:17 I'm still backing on love as at the very least a good value, a good value ROI pick. Yeah, I mean, the guy has 57 touchdown passes over the last two seasons. And like you said, the year before, he had the four rushing touchdowns, only one this year. So things could just naturally balance out. And I think that it's sort of a, it's a self-scouting where LaFleur has got to take a look in the mirror and say, beginning of the year, the offense was way, way more wide open.
Starting point is 00:40:44 3429 lost to Philadelphia that could have gone either way in Brazil. and then you play Philadelphia in the wild card, and it was complete domination by Philly. Green Bay only scores 10 points. So the offense with love in year one, so much fun, got the win over Dallas in the playoffs was sort of the story of the offseason about this big step forward. This could be a post-type guy where year three love just gets back.
Starting point is 00:41:11 And I'm with you. I think they're going to add a couple of wide receivers through the, I wouldn't be surprised that they add two wideouts, just get him some bodies there. I like Jane Reed. I could use a little bit more Jane Reid out there as well. 100%. Real quick.
Starting point is 00:41:23 Real quick. Yeah, yeah. Jordan Love didn't throw an interception in his final seven games to my point where I felt like watching it live and unfold over the weeks. Like he's forcing a ball and he's throwing off balance and he's losing some mechanics and the injury is causing these interceptions. Well, no picks in his final seven games with a 106 passer rating. So I would contend it that that's the Jordan.
Starting point is 00:41:49 love that we were into. You know what I mean? Like, and the guy from the year before. So absolutely a post-hyped sleeper. One guy who is, it's like a guy who was in sort of purgatory last year was Justin Fields. Fields was so good in, in Chicago in terms of putting up spike weeks for us, multiple weeks where he gave us top five QB numbers. The guy had the second most rushing yards of any quarterback in history, in, in,
Starting point is 00:42:19 in terms of production from the quarterback spot. Like really fun fantasy football player. Last year goes to Pittsburgh, starts a year out. Well, fantasy-wise, was a top six score at the position, then gets benched for Russell Wilson. Now he gets this life preserver where he's going to be the quarterback in New York. It seems like this could be a situation where Justin Fields returns to giving us QB1 numbers.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Are you bullish on this move to New York? Your thoughts on him as a jet? I don't think he's ever going to get to a level we thought he might. You know, he's, this is who he is, I think. Horrible body language, as I've mentioned,
Starting point is 00:42:59 literally from the first game he's played as a bear in the preseason. I was, I was obsessed with it that year. I'm like, this guy has really given us the answers to the test. Like, he didn't want to be here. And that,
Starting point is 00:43:14 that totally played out. But, you know, he is also a guy that, you know, that first read is there and he's protected. I mean, he'll get him the ball. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. Very good arm, big runner and all that.
Starting point is 00:43:31 It's the Jets. They've been looking for a high-end franchise quarterback for about a half a century. They probably don't have one here in fields, but we are talking fake football. And absolutely, I think their old line had their injuries. It's probably a little more talented than anything Fields work with in Chicago. You do have a top white out in Garrett Wilson. We do have some room to, you know, some work to do. But if we're seeing Tyrod Taylor for playing over a healthy Justin Fields in December,
Starting point is 00:44:08 then I would say his career's over. I don't know if we'll get there. All I do know is as long as Fields plays, he's going to move the needle for fantasy for obvious reasons. So I am in fact it. Yeah, and the market's pushed him up. This is a guy where like if he was a stock ever since he landed in New York, he's been moving up and up and up up to QB 13 on underdog.
Starting point is 00:44:30 So shout out to the to the drafters out there for drafting him correctly. But again, like you said, this is the guy who moves to Neal for Fantasy. Like finishing quarterback eight, seven, something in that range, giving you an ADP win here. Absolutely in the wheelhouse. He's got to get up seven. top seven in fantasy points per dropback in each of the last three seasons. Yeah. I mean, the guy and the guys are a walking spike week that like we talk about a lot of
Starting point is 00:44:55 these quarterbacks who are on that QB1, QB2 line, they just sort of don't move the needle for you. Justin Fields is the kind of guy that could go out there and give you 150 rushing yards one week and completely win you your fantasy week. So a big fan of it there. And interesting to see how he meshes with his former college teammate and Garrett Wilson, a lot of positive vibes there. for the Fields Wilson connection.
Starting point is 00:45:18 I think he's going to heavily target him like we saw with DJ Moore two seasons ago. Let's keep this going. Dalton Kincaid, this is one where I can remember last year podcasting with Scott Barrett and a number of people. And I was very enthusiastic about Kincaid. It was like everything lining up for Dalton Kincaid to step into this huge role with the lack of wide receivers in Buffalo. They lose Stefan Diggs. They lose Gabe Davis. and Dalton Kincaid first round pick.
Starting point is 00:45:46 And it seemed like they wanted him to be a Travis Kelsey. Everything on paper was screaming Kincaid. Then we get to the season. And the metrics were similar to his rookie season, but the production took a big hit. Now he's sort of sitting there in tight end purgatory. Drafters are like way less excited about Kincaid, obviously than they were last year.
Starting point is 00:46:07 He's sitting there at Tight End 14. So in sort of no man's land for tight ends, your thoughts on Kincaid heading to his third season as a pro. Let's think about it. How many young ascending tight ends emerge every year? Three, four, maybe, you know. So even if that happens, then Kincaid, and Kincaid's not one of them. I mean, Kincaid could still finish above that ADP.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Yeah. This is simply, and look, let me go into the negatives, because I think most people listening know, I do have some questions about Joe Brady being able to really optimally design plays for him,
Starting point is 00:46:53 routes form, things like that. We also know that he's not really a blocker and they play with a lot of 11 personnel. It is limiting. But at the end of the day, I mean, guys, you took him in the first round. You better figure it out here.
Starting point is 00:47:09 I mean, you better. At the very very least, you better find ways to get him a ball in the red zone. I mean, maybe I'm talking about my, you know what, but I thought he moved really well. He's a very good player. So it's just a case of like, you know, this is unsustainable. He's too
Starting point is 00:47:27 good. I know there are issues, but Titan 14, I mean, come on. I mean, I think he should be like probably like Titan 9 or 10. Like I get it though. Like you don't want to take him as you're one. You just don't. I get it. But I'm telling you, Now, I like taking two tight ends. I'll take them as my two all day long.
Starting point is 00:47:44 And best ball, we're in best ball season, all day long. I'll take them. Yeah, and it's interesting with Kincaid is we don't have to go back that far to find numbers that can move the needle for a tight end. He had 91 targets, 73 receptions as a rookie. If he does just that gets you 91 and 70, then he's a big win here. And you talked about the touchdowns. He's had very poor luck as a touchdown score. A lot of that is Dawson Knox, the deference to Dawson.
Starting point is 00:48:10 and knocks and all that. So you got to think year three, Kincaid can get there. I think it's sort of another guy that we talked about with post type sleeper. And you're not having to invest a whole lot. Last year, you had to make a big bet on Kingade.
Starting point is 00:48:23 Now, especially in best ball, you could draft like Kingade and then two other tight ends and just sort of piecemeal it together. You're getting him as the, right now he's 131 in ADP on Underdog. He was 40 spots higher, 50 spots higher last year.
Starting point is 00:48:40 So definitely an interesting one there. 50% price cut, 50% half off. He's on sale. Tight ends on sale here. Do you have a take on the wide receivers in Miami? This has been one where both players failed to hit last year. Tyreek was the biggest drop off. And Waddle certainly was as well.
Starting point is 00:48:59 But Tyreek, you were paying a heavy price tag to draft them. He was like the third overall pick. One of the worst picks at ADP you could have made last year was Tyreek Hill. went down to 12 points per game, like a nine point drop in points per game. Waddle, you were also paying a pretty high premium for, certainly not as costly as Tyreek, but Waddle was another guy who sort of fell apart. Both of these guys, huge disappointments last year.
Starting point is 00:49:25 Is there a bet to be made here, John, with this Miami wide receiver room? I mean, there should be. You know, I'm a little scared from what Mike McDaniel is putting out. there lately i mean it seems like he's hit a little bit of a wall seems like teams figured them out uh figure uh teams seemingly no no longer afraid to play man coverage against them like yeah we'll play man you know uh i'm like oof uh you know waddle is uh young i mean you love the profile i mean the guy can fly what are your thoughts on them i mean it's it's a really tough call i mean are there some limitations that we're just not familiar with?
Starting point is 00:50:10 Because it's confusing because I will say this. If you recall when Mike McDaniel took the job, he started talking about Waddle for fantasy. You know, like literally for fantasy. He's like, oh, you want to draft this guy for fantasy. So I see him at the combine. I'm like, hey, coach, not for nothing, but you're going to put me out of a job if you keep giving out fantasy advice.
Starting point is 00:50:31 And we had a funny thing with him and all that. But that was before the Tyreek trade. And then I think things changed. And obviously Waddle is now down to the two. The question is, let's say Tyreek for whatever reason, he seems to have, he's kind of losing it seemingly. You know, say he's out of the mix. Can Waddle be that one?
Starting point is 00:50:53 I do have some questions, but I would probably lean toward yes and take a shot based on his pedigree and talent. I think I agree with you. And when it comes to Waddle, they paid him last year. So they gave him the three-year contract. He's locked in there. Yeah, if you take Tyree Kill out of the mix, Jell and Waddle is going to be a huge value at wide receiver 33.
Starting point is 00:51:13 I also think even with Tyree Kill, it's a good bet because Hill is old now. And also like the market is the market is making you pay for a Hill bounce back season. Wide receiver 12 right now in Underdog, I want no part of Tyree Kill there. None whatsoever. I mean, he's going ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigba and T. Higgins right now and Garrett Wilson an under underdog. I think that's a little bit ridiculous for a player his age after that drop off. But Jalen Waddle is a guy where we had three straight years, a thousand receiving yards.
Starting point is 00:51:45 Out the gate, we saw him have a hundred catch season as a rookie in that sort of low A dot role. Then year two really thrived in that big yards per reception role next to Hill. So like we've seen Waddle win a number of ways. We'll give him the benefit of the doubt last year playing injured. I think a Waddle bounce back season, where let's say Hill misses some time or whatever they move on from Hill. I think Waddle's the kind of guy that he's more of an opportunistic
Starting point is 00:52:13 wide receiver one than a guy you want to be your wide receiver one. But I think if he steps into that role, you're talking about a guy who could return to top 18 wide receiver numbers and you're getting him at wide receiver 33. So I think I'm on Waddle and I'm fading Tyree Kill is sort of my take. Sure. I like the opportunistic term there. You're basically saying I'm going to be proactive and maybe take them a little earlier than the markets here
Starting point is 00:52:39 because I mean, I'm seeing, you know, there's this potential, you know, breakout for lack of a better term, even though he's already kind of broken out. But again, end of the day, you know, six pick of the draft just four years ago when people were really smart. I mean, six pick of the draft. I mean, that is nothing to sneeze at. No, for sure. Another wide receiver who dropped in production last year,
Starting point is 00:53:06 Debo Samuel, dropped down to about 12 points per game, started the year out really, really strongly, had the pneumonia, then end of the year was just completely fell off, very kind of unusable in fantasy lineups, had that one game towards the end of the season where he scored a bunch of fantasy points. But on that team, that week he was on a lot of people's benches. Now he gets this bailout spot where the Washington commanders
Starting point is 00:53:29 had a huge need for a wide receiver too. They go and they trade for Debo Samuel, reunites with Adam Peters. They even hired West Welker, who was his sort of positional coach to be a quote-unquote analyst there, which is sort of like the Debo coach there. Debo, there's a lot of people in Washington very excited about his potential there for this offense.
Starting point is 00:53:52 Are you in on Debo Samuel this year as his first year as a commander? Yeah, I think so, you know, from South Carolina. So, you know, he's back in the East Coast. I'm sure he didn't hate the trade. Totally. I haven't looked into that. But I actually did match Debo on my podcast here on our feed, the Fantasy Points podcast.
Starting point is 00:54:13 We were, Brian Drake and I were previewing free agency. I actually matched Debo to D.C. Before the trade went down. And that was because they were missing a manufactured touch receiver. Like they didn't have a racket guy. You know, that's not really. great for McLaren. He's not a great rack guy. He's more of an
Starting point is 00:54:32 air yard guy. Cliff Kingsbury called a screen pass on 16% of their attempts last season, the fourth highest rate. So I think he pairs very well with McLaren. I mean, it's like Debo and Iyuk. So he also came into the season, a little fat
Starting point is 00:54:48 with an F as we know. And I mean, when I saw him working hard in late, was it late January, early February? I'm like, oh, we're in, baby. It's February. I mean, he was probably sitting on the couch last July and here we are in February. So I'm, I'm in. Yeah, I mean, Debo's been a guy where the body type, it's, it's always been like sort of that thick body type where when he's in really good shape, it's unbelievable. And when he gets out of shape, it's like very noticeable. There was that picture at the Super Bowl where he's wearing the Eagles jersey.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Not a great look there. But they said that West Welker's been a guy that for whatever reason, Welker's been his guy, very motivated. motivating to Debo in the weight room in terms of the conditioning. So I think that's a really interesting point. And if Debo's motivated and the weight is down, this could be a really fun one. You bring up the manufactured stuff. They had no yak ability whatsoever last year. Now they have a yak artist and led the NFL in rush attempts
Starting point is 00:55:47 at the wide receiver position seemingly every year, a wrinkle that Washington could incorporate this year as well. Washington, especially when you talk about Jane and Daniels, You could do some really cool things in terms of manufactured running plays with Debo and Daniels. That's a fun one. Let's wrap it up with this one. There is one player right now who's extremely polarizing, getting a lot of heat in terms of will he be traded during the NFL draft? And that's Breece Hall.
Starting point is 00:56:13 Breast Hall, you had Aaron Glenn with the coach where he's praising every running back he has on the roster. Certainly not what you want to hear if you're a Breece Hall, Dynasty Manager. Then you see all these rumors that maybe Ashton Gentie could be in New York, if he's there at seven and Bruce Hall could get traded over the course of the NFL draft. Do you think this is a buying opportunity for Bruce Hall? You're buying Bruce Hall right now. Your thoughts on Bruce Hall. They have the offensive coordinator, Ang Strand, comes over from Detroit, certainly a fun hire.
Starting point is 00:56:43 But Hall is sitting there like people don't know what to do with him, John. Where are you going with this? Look, at the end of the day, I'm in on a 23-year-old stud. No, I know he'll be 24 next month. So, okay, let's call him 24. I mean, but come on. I mean, 24 with a relatively light workload. I mean, only 512 carries in three years.
Starting point is 00:57:07 That's light. Obviously, 80 carries due to the injury in 2022. But, boy, he got hacketed. Hacketed last week with freaking hackett and those people. But at the end of that day, I already am totally convinced, and I was before he took a damn snap in the NFL, that he was an elite talent.
Starting point is 00:57:33 I think I can put him in it. Maybe when you look at that tier, elite, he might not be at the top of that tier, but he's in the tier. And he's 24. So with the running backs, being back, you know, like you got to use this guy better. I will say this about Briseall.
Starting point is 00:57:52 I don't know what the hell happened with their running game 4.2 yards of carry, career worse. I do think I have an idea what happened to the receptions other than Hackett and the rest of the staff stinking. But as someone who played a couple of Breece Hall
Starting point is 00:58:09 receiving props down the stretch, I mean, Aaron Rogers left so many plays on the field in which he should have checked it down to Breece Hall or throw it to him over the middle, but instead prefer to hold on to the ball looking for Devante Adams and instead let me let me take a sack.
Starting point is 00:58:30 You know, like, oh, no, I'm not going to dump it off to Breece Hall for a 20-yard gain. Instead, I'm going to take a sack. I mean, that's exactly what he did down the stretch. Remember he was stat padden? So that hurt. But it was an absolute shitstorm. But when you're as talented as Breece Hall is, maybe he's a jerk. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:58:49 I haven't heard anything particularly bad. but man, I'd be pissed too if I was as talented as Brissau and I had the season I had last year. So good, trade them. I'll still take them. So I'm in. I'm in as a buy low. Yeah, he's the cheapest he's ever been.
Starting point is 00:59:03 And if you're looking to buy Buries Hall in your dynasty leagues, I encourage you to make a trade offer now. It's wild. The price just keeps dropping and dropping and dropping. And like you said, it's the age. And if he gets traded, there's going to be a market for him because he's running back and catch the football. And he's done that a very high level.
Starting point is 00:59:21 So I think Brees Hall is a super interesting one right now. We're starting to see him drop in terms of all formats, Dynasty, redraft, best ball. And at the end of the day, he's just better than some of the current running backs that New York has on the roster. You can talk up Braille and Allen and Isaiah Davis all you want if you're Aaron Glenn. But if healthy, it's, I mean, come on here, you know. So, John, this was awesome today. I've got to do this again sometime here at Fantasy Football Daily. Let everybody know what you have coming out and you have planned over the next couple weeks.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Oh, I mean, you know, you guys are all like doing great work and I'm sitting here on the sidelines and just keeping up with everything. You know, I am, I am, and I know your Twitter thing has OG. I am OG like as well. I'm old. I'm older than you. But no, I'm just kind of in a mode of where like I'm keeping up with everything. I'm not writing as much, but I'm keeping up with everything and just resting up. I'm going to be involved in our draft coverage.
Starting point is 01:00:21 By the way, they kind of planned it all out, kind of without me, I guess, because I've never done anything because I've been on serious for 20 years in a row. But I will not be on serious this year. So I will be home and watching our live streams. And then I'm just going to pop in, you know, every hour and, you know, give my thoughts on the skill moves.
Starting point is 01:00:42 I'm not, I'm not at this point of my career, talking about D tackles in April or May. Like, I don't give a rat's ass. All I care about are skill players and offensive linemen who can help those skill players. So, yeah, but otherwise, once we get that final piece of the puzzle, I'll start putting it all together, start bearing down, and getting all my takes tightened up. And then we'll be back for yet another year. I still have the passion to get it right. That's all I want.
Starting point is 01:01:16 I just want to get it right, point people in the right direction. And if I do that, everything else takes care of itself. Yeah, we're going to absolutely crush it with our coverage of the NFL draft. We'll give you the best fantasy football coverage available anywhere right here at Fantasy Points. Go ahead and subscribe to Fantasy Points YouTube. Brett Whitefield, Brett Whitefield and I, Thomas Tipple, John, you name it. We're going to have a bunch of cool guests, both internally and also from outside of fantasy points coming in, breaking down everything you need to know fantasy-wise from the NFL draft. It's going to be an absolute blast.
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