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Episode Date: January 18, 2025

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into some draft trends that we are noticing. After that, We are going to talk about buying veteran wide receiver production and if you should buy young projected production at a high price. This is the Dynasty Points Market Report. Happy to have everybody back for another episode of the Dynasty Points Market Report. I am our host, Tom Tipple. You can find me at El Nostra Thomas everywhere.

I am on social media's Twitter, Twitch, etc. Joining me as always is Andy Buckler. You can find him Andy underscore Buckler over on Twitter because he likes to be unoriginal. Today we're talking about draft trends. And I want to dive straight into this because I'm keeping up with a few drafts. I've been in a few drafts as a co-manager.

Buck, you have been keeping, tabs on some super high-priced draft boards because people we know are in them. I've noticed a couple of trends from last year that have completely changed. We talked about it a little bit on Tuesday nights, dynasty points, but running backs seem to be all the craze right now. In the draft that I am in, we have got guys like Pacheco. and Camara and I mean McCaffrey

still going in the first seven-ish rounds whereas in previous years these aging vets I mean we got Josh Jacobs at the start of the year when he was bawling out we got him late I can't quite remember what round it was it might have been

ninth round that we tried it back in yeah so he he goes in the seventh round here and before this season he was again going in those late tier rounds So running backs are getting moved up. I mean, we've seen Derek Henry in the eighth round here. B-Rob's still going in the top 10 rounds,

even though I don't think he had a good season at all. I thought Echler was just as good. Tyrone Tracy jumps into the eighth round. Pollard and Swift are still going in the ninth, Montgomery. Like running backs before the 10th round are flying off the shelves. I think some of those are good, though. I think I think Jacobs is a really good pick in the seventh round.

So he probably still didn't even jump up as much as he should. I think they've jumped up a little because of how the season went. And we'll see, like, we'll see that. And specifically, like, you know, in a redraft context, we'll see that. But, and it's not if we're just doing historical data, I mean, it's not, it's not a correct thing to do. But I think the names you said, I think they're actually pretty good. And I think a lot of those are fun. You're with rookie picks.

So, like, you take these rookie picks out really. And, you know, they don't look at. good I'll say that they don't look as good if you stop accounting for like the 204 or like the 209 getting overdrafted here because it's rookie fever etc so a lot of these guys would jump up right Henry would end up up being a sixth round pick in terms of players that were bought and and things like that so it's a good it's a good time to buy the veterans I just thought that would be a piece of information worth adding that I forgot if you look at this from just within the player pool itself the amount of running backs that I'm looking at on this board,

it's a lot, a lot more than I've ever seen. Yeah, and I mean, like I said, I think it's fine, really. It goes with, like, there's not enough good players and specifically wide receiver,

especially after this year. So, I mean, it makes sense. Like, I think the whole, like, no,

don't draft a running back in the sixth, seventh round. I mean, that's just scared money for real. So I think a lot of those names are okay. And I think it's fine. But yeah, we'll definitely see running back,

even though, specifically, I think it'll be super specific with leagues. We'll definitely see running backs increase as the season gets closer because of just what happened with the season and data, which like obviously all the running backs were the highest scores. And we've also seen the actual NFL just kind of move away from passing a little bit. So we'll see that continue to climb. And I think it's a good way to, I think it's definitely a thing we can fade for sure,

depending on where it gets to. My thing is there's so many running backs in this draft class. someone who's getting taken here in the, you know, six, seven, eighth rounds, they're getting nuked. At least two. That's every year, though. Like, we do that every year. So it's nothing, nothing's different with this year.

I think this class is starting to get kind of overrated, considering people have, it is. There's a ton of running backs. There's a lot of names. And we do this early in the year where there's a lot of names, and we think the class is good because we don't, names. We already lost Nick Singleton and K. Trine Allen go back to school. We're going to see more running backs go back to school because it's more lucrative for them, especially in today's,

like, with the way the college is going. And I mean, I don't know. Like, yeah, there's going to be day two running backs, state two running backs every year. Like, some will get new. I'm not saying you should, like, there's certain bets like you shouldn't make that. And like, that's every year, though. Like, yeah, Tyrone Tracy is probably not a guy you should be investing in the top eight rounds to me. But when you get like other names like Josh Jacobs and stuff, I mean, I don't know, it would be hard pressed to see them spend, you know, a high pick on a running back they did last year. So, and they haven't paid. So I don't know. I think, I think this class is starting to get overrated when we just be, when we just say like, oh, so many running backs, some of running backs

when like every day we're losing running backs in the class and there's not like there's one running back with a first round grade or like a, you know, a high grade. And then there's like a Marion on Hampton which is close as well. So there's not like 15 running. It's still not, you know, 20. Chris McCaffrey year. We're still not there. So.

Remember early in the year when I said like just by 26 and 27th because the 25 class is probably going to be asked because it's all running backs and we don't know who's going back to school? Yeah, but that's like that's still like not a great thing though because we did it. It was. It's looking like it. It's yeah. It's not though because we don't know yet.

What did you just say? The class every day looks. worse and worse. This is exactly what I said was likely to happen. It's within the cycle. It's in the cycle. That's the cycle of like fantasy dynasty Twitter though. And last year the class was bad too and then it wasn't. And then Byron Thomas was a second round pick. That's not what I said last year. So. But it's what I said this year. It's I don't know. It's it's like the whole next year thing is always like I always hate that because I always think it's like it's stupid

because it doesn't always make sense because we wait and wait for years and years for classes and then it doesn't hit. It made sense this year. When a run in a draft class is 80% running backs, quarterbacks are woefully bad and there's maybe two receivers

because one's probably playing corner and Luther Burden had a horrendous year this year wasn't even the wide receiver one in his own team and everyone else is a question mark yeah it took to me I was fading absolutely yeah but it's it's I get it like from like

prospect profile standpoint and stuff but there's just going to be players in the class because there always is like who can you're cool wasn't in the class years ago until he was like so I don't know the whole fading yeah okay so

but I'm gonna make a better safer bet on a better class projected wise every time yeah but you're doing it like that whole so then so then what's the projection of the 26 class but then you might as well you might as well sit there and go like i'll take every pick from every class every year no that's not you're still you're still at risk of fading like i want either i want either the elite three picks in this draft or none and that's fine you can get first first and previous years going to be worth more than more than half the guys in this draft class.

We just do that. We just do it every year. And like, I get it. Like, but what's the 26th projection? Because all them do is can go back to school too. And we're a whole year.

But the best part about that 26 pick, it's not losing value between now and then. So it's gaining. I mean, I've always, your 108 right now is worth dog shit. 108 is worth next to nothing right now. Next to nothing.

I mean, how much is the 108 normally worth? Quite a bit. 108. We've had guys like Ladd, J.J. McCarthy, Drake May, Brock Bowers last year, for example. Yeah, and those were in, and last year, everyone wanted to trade the pick after the 106. And in, and in previous years. So you say everyone because that's living on Twitter, but I'm saying specifically speaking, no, I wanted my 108s.

I wanted 10. I wanted 110. I wanted 111. Do you know how much Bo Nix I drafted at 111? Considerable. You know how many were these I drafted? Zero. We're having the stock in January. No one was doing that in January. People didn't want the 108 in January. Like, I'm not going to do that. I had this conversation. I have this conversation every year leading as soon as the season ends.

And it's reflected in drafts. If you were to go on the Dynasty Data Lab ADP and then take a look, the 102 is being drafted around where the 105 was being drafted last year. So it's even reflected in startup ADP where people are looking at the draft picks in this. and saying, no, thank you. You're already holding it. You were holding onto a grenade. And it doesn't mean they're right, though.

That's like, it doesn't mean that they're right. We're not going to know who's right until three years from now, but you still have to plan and project and base off values and take your chances and structure appropriately and build those rosters out. The thing with Dynasty is people want to claim right and wrong and this was correct and not or this trade was good immediately. And then in two years, you don't know. That's my point, but you're doing that to me right now.

No, what I'm saying is you could functionally project that this class was going to tank because this class, if you listen to the Devi and C2C people, was already looked down upon comparing to other classes already. And then you already heard a mantra throughout a community. And then you take that and you go, here's the one. position in dynasty that people don't like paying for and that's the the shining star of a draft class stands like a couple of players i mean shudder sanders the 101 or 102 i mean people are torn between if you even should be drafted in the first round it's like there's more question marks about this draft class there was more question marks about this draft class and there's

going to be more question marks about this draft class so yeah and it's being reflected in their draft values right now. So yes, this was a draft class you target. The other draft classes where you could move out or move down within this draft and then pick up picks in a previous year

or use those picks to go by veterans and win. This was the year to do that. Like this was the year to go and get, you know, spend the 112 on a, on a Derek Henry in a 26 second. This was the year. This was the year.

to do that next year i don't know yet don't totally have what's coming through but this i'd said for two years now straight to pass the 25 class move into 26 take your 25 go and buy 24s right move up to get these so it's playing out we're going to see what the draft trend is but it's important to note the draft picks right now they're not being valued in drafts the way we're seeing well i'm seeing at least in a lot of the drafts that i'm seeing and on dynasty data lab and some of the other sources it like wide receivers are jumping some of these draft picks and i think that's fine we'll see what happens when the rookie when april hits but early draft trends i mean these second round picks are going way later in drafts than I really ever remember seeing since I've started playing

in 2019. So there were signals. So far, the signals are ringing true. We'll see how that changes in April when people get the draft capital and the landing spots that matter to them and people get hyped up whether they should or shouldn't be. Some of these guys are going to fall behind veterans that like happened with last year with Trey Benson and look how well that worked out and Braylin Allen dynasty RB1 season and et cetera et cetera didn't work out but they got hyped up and pushed up braylin Allen was a fourth

on rookie pick you got he got he got yeah he got massively hyped up the people that loved them though they were though he's my RB2 in the class those people existed and i follow them for a reason it's to generally fade their opinion but definitely definitely some draft trends here that I've noticed and the one that has stood out to me the most that yeah first is running backs and second is how these draft picks are being valued in draft now there's always the guys there's always the guys that trade every single pick away and they just want to draft nothing but draft picks this is not your year it's just not going to be your year I've seen it in the draft I'm in right now someone drafted they

traded out of the first round they got neighbors that was a good pick and they got bowers and then their next one two three four five six six seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, thirteen out of their next fifteen picks were all draft picks. And they picked up an extra twenty-six and I think, excuse me, an extra 27 first. Yeah, I don't, I don't take those players serious. This is, this is not the, this is an orphan. This team is an orphan. This is a future orphan, more than likely, right, unless he can pull off insane trading. To me, this is not the build a juggernaut by, only drafting picks, which I don't think you can do anyway.

You have to take picks and players and then be right for the quote productive struggle. But yeah, we're already seeing the trend for 2025. And in my opinion, you should still be targeting 2026 and 2027. And then acquiring vets that can help you win in the process. To me, that is. And then, or take your 20, take your 2025s and go and try to find someone willing to trade a Brian Thomas Jr. now you might think that it's oh that's not possible if you look at some of the trades that we get asked about in our discord it kind of signals that it might be possible like nico we're

going to talk about it but nico collins shouldn't be available he you shouldn't be able to acquire him i feel like you can right now lad probably not but like guys like london b tj these are still guys that can be semi-acquirable jackson smith and jigba garrett wilson t higgins we're going to talk about him he shouldn't be acquireable he is so Just some draft trends, right? Like we even had some people in in our Discord ask, would you have taken the 103 or these five players? And we've picked the players.

Where in previous years, it's like that 103 is worth exponentially more. So we're seeing the trends. We'll see if it sticks right up until April. But as of right now, it's people are cooling on this draft class. And I just don't blame them. So that's it. Any other trends you want to talk about? No, I think that's it.

I will say briefly, the quarterback trend is weird right now from what I'm seeing. Obviously, the first four tend to be Alan, Lamar Jackson, Daniels, and Burrow. But there's a lot of heat in the fourth and fifth round. I mean, AR, fifth round, Lawrence, Bryce Young, Tua's going down to the six, eight, and some of the drafts that I'm in. And then nothing for five rounds from rounds eight through 13. like there's a gap. The Richardson, like that's the quarterback dad zone.

Richardson and Bryce Young. I'm not, yeah, I'm no interest. Not in the fifth round. I'm interested in Bryce Young, but it won't be in the fifth round. But guys like J.G.

McCarthy in the sixth. Yeah, I'll smash that. I'll smash JJ at 6.5 pretty easily. But yeah, there's going to be some values too. But just some important draft trends to take note of and pay attention to.

For sure, especially if you're currently out there navigating drafts. We're going to take a quick break. And then when we come back from that break, we are going to talk wide receiver production. Super important thing when you are building your dynasty teams in the off season. We'll be right back. When planning for life's most important moments, sometimes the hardest part is simply knowing where to start. That's why we're here to help. When you pre-plan and prepay a celebration of life with us, every detail will be handled with simplicity and professionalism, giving you the peace of mind that you've done all you can today to remove any burden from your loved ones tomorrow.

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To an extent, yeah, I would push back a little bit. I think, well, I'll let you finish making your point. I don't think that we should be paying elite prices for wide receivers, who are not elite and or have not shown to be elite for a period of time. If you've got two years under your belt and you're paying elite elite prices, I think you're setting yourself back more often than not when, more often than not,

there are veteran wide receivers that you can purchase for a cheaper price that project similar, will score similarly, and not cost you a mortgage. Yeah, I think it's all relative. I think it like is relative to what you consider elite and what you consider, you know, the iron price because I think it's similar to like what I've said about Rome, right? Where I think players like Roma Dunes are the most, the risiest assets we have in our game. Because they're still paying, we're still paying elite prices for a player that has nothing

in his profile to tell us that he's good. And that's where I'll push back and say that that is bad. Like you shouldn't do that. But when you look at guys like Drake London, who was drafted straight out for projection, everything in his profile said that he's an elite player and he just needed a situation change similarly to garret wilson which i understand hasn't fully came true but i mean we know we know he's good and he's going to live so but early career a j brown where it's like oh he's an efficiency merchant like he's not like everything told us and we haven't even seen a j brown actually

play in like a bluminous pass offense yet but he's if he did he would break the NFL but we bet on him because all his peripherals and everything was just so elite and then he turned into elite players similar to Drake London. Now there's misses with that. Elijah Moore is a miss. Tank Dell is a miss. And I would argue more that we shouldn't do it in a small sample size. Like Elijah Moore is a small sample. He's like a six game sample.

So was Tank Dell. But my other pushback on it is I agree with you. Like I don't think what you're saying is wrong. But I do think there's times to make that bet because you were looking in the fourth and fifth round on players like Elijah more profiles or tank dell profiles that is also the easiest way for us to get elite players fifth round players that turn to second round players instead of drafting guys like that we kind of know four or five years in like they're not moving devante smith a really good player no he's very good player not just not gonna he's just like done kind of gaining value you're just going to live where he

lives and that is that just is what it is which is good right you're not going to lose a pick you're not going to lose if you draft devonte smith but you're not going to get the between you're potential gain if you draft someone with a super elite early profile. And that has to be like, it has to be more than like the Elijah Moore type thing. Again, everything in Elijah Moore's profile was so good and it just didn't work out. But it was a small sample. But when you see someone that super elite is a rookie, like we and I know things are changing, but history has told us that like when young players produce at elite levels early, like they're going to be good. And we need to take that bet on those players. Now I'm not saying like, again,

Like, I'm all over the place, but Romo Dunez-A type, like, that's where, that's where your sentiment rings, like, incredibly true. Like, there's no reason to draft Romo-Wed-Dunze right now in the third or fourth round. He's done nothing. He has nothing in his rookie profile outside of opium and stuff from college, which was also a little, you know, was the worst analytics of the top three receivers in his class. It was earning targets. Like, he couldn't really, you know, crack a 20% target share. He goes to the NFL does the same thing. And same thing with JSN a year ago.

And these players could hit, and then when they do hit, people be like, oh, I told you so. But there's still nothing in their profile that tells you that they're going to be good. Like Roman Dunes, they ran a 1.21 yards for outrun. Now he's in a bucket. He's no longer a prospect. He played. We saw him play. So I agree with you with that, but I will say, I don't think it's like something we should never do.

Because when you see elite, when you see elite peripherals from young players in the beginning, it's something we should definitely chase similar to Drake London. He was drafted off of pure projection. Well, that's why I'm saying that have shown. nothing, right? So those guys, I don't really count in that because they've shown something. Their peripherals are great. Guys like Roma Dunezay, their peripherals are not. And he was actually the player that I had taught, even Xavier Worthy. Now, granted, Xavier Worthy's price, he's in the sixth round. I don't think that that's an awful price. I'll just go ahead and say that. I don't

think that's a terrible price. But you can make excuses for his profile more than you can with Rome's. Exactly. So we're getting guys, like, worthy in the sixth. Rome has gone to the early fifth, and I'm just going to be out on that, right? I'll take my bets on guys like Alave. Pickens in the sixth is rich for me. There's just other bets that I want to make.

I mean, Jerry Judy's still getting horrendously disrespected to wide receiver 32 since December 16th. That's just disrespectful. I think that's fine. With what he did with the second half of the season, even with terrible quarterbacks, even post-Winston. But he was still hyper-targeted. We're going to talk about Judea-S. We're not talking about him right now.

But like even JSN, JSN was in that sixth, seventh round last year. And I talked about this on Tuesday. I should have been a little more in on his price. I could have been more in, on JSN in the late 6 to the 7th. I feel like that's not paying his iron price. Like Roma Dunes-A at wide receiver. 17 is too rich for me. It's too rich for me.

But JSTN, wide receiver 23, 22, that should have been or could have been, it's a little bit of hindsight because if you drafted him there and he failed, you're kind of mad at yourself anyway.

But if you look at guys that, like... He was in D-boat range because I was... I was drafting JSN in the sixth round when he... As soon as like... Because I remember I drafted him and I got laughed at it.

I didn't like him, but I also, like, understand, like, how to draft in lack of a better term. Once guys,

once it became, like, Debo Samuel, like, I'd rather just take the shot on J.S.N. You have to J.S. and over,

over a guy like Debo, who I know what he is. He's aging. It was, like, the cutoff for me with the J.S. I did draft. I actually drafted him twice was Jordan Addison.

It was like, right when Jordan Madison hit, okay, now it's like JASN time. And it was, it was definitely Debo. I can't remember the whole book. I know it was a Debo range.

It was like Tebow. It was Deshawn Watson. Yeah. So that's something we talked about on Tuesday, being able to identify that a little bit more. And that's kind of what that sparked me talking about him here in this is because Rome's not in that position. You still have to make legitimate decisions around Rome, like Zay Flowers, Devontas. Like, I'd rather have Devontas. I'd rather have Zay.

I'd rather have Jim Cook, Chase Brown. Chris Alave, Jordan Addison, all these guys go after him. J. McCarthy, Ken Walker. I would rather have

all of those guys and they go after him. Yeah, I'd rather have most besides like Chase Brown and someone else. I think Chase Brown's going to be fine this next year.

That dude was so unbelievably good. They love him. Every bit of coach speak is that he can be the bell cow, will be the bell cow. I think if they bring in

like a plotter type, I think that's still good for him. really sucks what happened to him with the I still can't believe that he goes down trying to end the game and because he got hurt Joe Burrow got to have a one yard QB sneak and scored anyway just felt so bad for him on that

but running backs don't slide and that's that's why they shouldn't slide just fall over just fall over I've done it I played I did it didn't slide I just toppled over but hopefully they they get somebody to teach him sliding technique like they did back in the day when teams would bring in Ricky Henderson

to teach him how to slide rest in peace to the goat Ricky Henderson is the reason I wanted to steal bases the reason I learned to steal bases was because of Ricky and then Juan Pierre those are the two guys that made me want to steal bases when I was growing up and I was never caught in my career

not once when I played baseball so shout out me never caught I wasn't running on the bases. Curtis runner for me. I didn't run the base. I had speed back in the day. I was a kick returner when I played football and running back. And I was a base dealer.

I was the designated runner for the catcher every time. I couldn't hit for anything. But they kept me in the lineup so I could run for our catcher. And because I could play, I was fast enough to cover in the outfield. The white chance. Yeah, exactly. One tool, one tool superstar. I could bun. I could bun like

a, like a, like a wizard out there. All right, let's take our second break now and we come back. We're going to talk about some players. So we'll do a quick segment here. Just, I felt like that was an important conversation to have. And it'll be reflected

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One of my favorite targets in drafts right now, again, feels like for the fifth year in a row. is Hollywood Brown. He's going as the wide receiver 56 right now, right beside Romeo Dobbs beside Dallas Goddard just before Cedric Tillman who had the worst concussion anyone has ever seen in the NFL. He's going

before guys like Blake Korm and Rico Dowdell. He's going right beside like I said Romeo Dobbs, Jatavian Sanders, who we're going to talk a lot about this offseason like Cole Commet. Stefan Diggs. He's in that area. I want to buy. It can be tough,

because as you've put here, his data is very difficult. But he has come back and just immediately started earning targets. He immediately started earning targets. And it moved Xavier Worthy into the Marvin Mims role, really, if you think about it. Screen passing plays out of the backfield, a lot of screen passes, a lot of short stuff that Xavier Worthy's been really good at and it took away what Worthy was really bad at, which is everything downfield. So it kind of led to a little mini late season breakout for Worthy, I guess.

But Hollywood Brown in that role has shown to be really good. Now, I don't know him signing in Kansas City is going to be the best thing because Rishie Rice is coming back. And with everything we've seen with the Chief's offense, we're going to talk about Rishie, but I think Rishie is still the guy. of all the guys in Kansas City by a wide margin. But Hollywood Brown does a lot of really good things. His problem is injuries.

Over the last couple of years, he has had two foot injuries and a shoulder injury. Not great. The feet injuries are what's scary because he's had Liz Frank and apparently it's kind of something that's not really like he, like it's not going to go away. It's just kind of going to be is what it is. So, and he's small.

So I worry that Zapp, some of his athleticism. I do think it did because if you look at his last year in, last year in Arizona, he started to earn a bunch of targets in the beginning of the season, and then he fell off, and then Kyler came back and he was terrible. He just looked slower, like, and then eventually he was put on the shelf for the rest of the year. I think he's going to be a player that probably just comes in and earns targets where he is because that's what he's been.

But I worry he's made, and again, I want to see him play at this playoffs, and that's going to affect, you know, it's really going to affect his value. because he was earning like six targets on 30% snaps when he played the two games he played for Kansas City last game of the season they sat him but he I worry he's closer to JAG now than he is like elite player just because of the footstuff just like he is someone that needs his speed he needs his athleticism so I worry about that but I still think he's a good player and I think the chiefs had a ton of plans for him I think he before he got hurt in camp or it was preseason I think he would I think he was set up to be like an amazing pick actually

I think it's because just by the role they had worthy running and they were kind of like nervous, just really fully play worthy until later in the season. I think they had a legitimate like a legitimate plan set up for Hollywood and I think he was going to smash. And he doesn't have to be the guy. I mean, I can't say he's never been the guy because he actually has like being small and stuff. He actually has like a lot of alpha, a lot of alpha profile like in his profile, a lot of alpha stuff he's done. He's at, he's had 27% target shares and super elite peripherals. Like it's funny when you look at this.

the little dude to call him an alpha, but he has been in his career multiple times. So, but he doesn't, he doesn't have to be that in this offense or with Patrick Jones. He also has to sign back home. He's on a one-year contract. Yeah, there were two stretches in Baltimore in 19 and 20 where he had, I think he was eight, I wrote about both of them. He had multiple runs of like seven to eight games where he was a top five wide receiver on the season. He had the most unique red zone role in the NFL for a guy his size.

and Greg Roman just loved him. Now, I don't know if he goes back to Kansas City. I know he's not coming to the Chargers because that dude hates Greg Roman with a passion. But I kind of think he'll end up back with the Chiefs, honestly, because I really think they had. I think that's a worst case. I kind of think that's a good case because he can just run out.

He can just run outside receiver and he doesn't have to, he doesn't have to earn 10, 15 targets a game. And I think he'll just end up back there because I think they had a plan of place for him. and I think he wants to be there. And they, I mean, they wanted him, obviously.

That was like a handpick patch from Holmes. He didn't get to play. Again, it probably depends on the playoff run. But I really think, like, I think that she's have interest

in resigning him. And he has to sign, like, he has to sign a, he had to sign a, prove a deal into this year, and then he proved nothing. He got hurt.

So he's going to have to take another, like, small contract, like one for eight. I think he's, is he 28 years old yet. He's going to be going into his age 28 season. That I don't know offhand.

He is, he'll be 28 in June. So he'll be going into his age 28 seasons. Still fairly young. But yeah, he's 27 right now. So I think in drafts, I think he's a totally fine pick. And what I have here is a couple trades involving

Hollywood Brown over the last couple of days. We have Hollywood Brown or Quinton Johnston. This is probably after the Quentin Johnson 13 catch game. This is from, yeah, last week. Yeah, so I would rather have Hollywood. Again, with Hollywood. This is only nine days ago. So this is after.

Right before the playoff game. Yeah. So I would rather have Hollywood by a lot. I think Quentin Johnson's awful. But with Hollywood, again, it kind of doesn't suck that he's playing because we want to see him back playing. But that he's on the Chiefs and going to be on national TV these next couple weeks kind of sucks for his value. Because I remember I had him in the savant play a few weeks ago before he came back about trying to buy him then. So it is just going to be harder to buy him with people watching him.

Like he's just how it is. So you should probably start trying to buy him now or you probably have to buy him as a throw in. Like you have to, you can't go straight for him. It's going to be a hard player to buy like that. We're going to talk about that in trade strategy coming up. We have Hollywood or Matthew Stafford. I'd rather have the quarterback. I would also rather have the quarterback.

I understand this deal. Probably some of that has multiple quarterbacks is worried Stafford retiring at the end of the year. Probably didn't make the playoffs, et cetera. So I understand it. Don't love it. But I understand it. But if that's the prices, we've got Hollywood and the 407 or Jalen McMillan. This one is the most interesting to me because I'm taking McMillan.

Yeah, I think I will too. But that's right around, that's right around the bar. Yeah, that's not bad. That could change in an instant too. Yeah. For me, at least. Well, we're not going to be seeing them on TV anymore because Baker fumbled the football. So there's that Baker.

Yeah. Anyway, I'm not going to go down that road. Not going to go down that road again. It's being petty. and I don't need to be petty on this show because we've turned a new leaf here in 2025 buck. No, that's my shit.

We've, we've, I'm not, I'm no longer being petty with arguments on Twitter about Baker Mayfield. The guy turned the ball over more than anybody else in the league. So, that you just live and die by that.

So that's Hollywood Brown. The other one I have is Debo. I kind of want to, I'm kind of interested in acquiring. Whether he's in San Francisco or not, I'm kind of interested in buying. He was not healthy.

A lot of that team was not healthy. He still provided you 10.3 points per game, 21.5 first read, a 20% targets per route run, five targets per game, on a 17.2% target share. All of those numbers are down. Those are bad.

They're not good numbers. When you get into the dog days of the fantasy season and you need to fill three flex spots. A player like Debo, who, when healthy, can absolutely score you 15. Now, there's all the fat Debo, fat Debo. The 49ers made it a point to use him,

and he played better. I'll say better at the end of the year. There were a couple of games where I had said, I'll watch him pop off on somebody else's roster. It won't be on mine. He had the 26.3 point game. He had a bunch of games below 10, but he still had 1919, got hurt. Then 10 was clearly not totally okay.

21, only played 6% of snaps, 62% of snaps. Then he had a 13, and then again, it was just downhill until the Miami game. He's 29, he's going to be 30. For now, he's expected to remain on San Francisco, and I want San Francisco wide receivers. I'll always want San Francisco wide receivers. I think Pierce all was really good down the stretch. Sure. Jennings kind of disappeared towards the end of the year.

Got thrown out of a game and cost himself a thousand yards. He did. Cost himself some money. So if Debo is back, if he is in fact back, I'm going to want a piece of that. And I think he's going to be the cheapest option out of the 49ers passing attack. and when I look at the boards right now, that kind of rings true. I'm looking for him.

He's going wide receiver 43. Jennings is wide receiver 52. So Jennings is still cheaper, which is kind of weird to me. But I'm, I think I'm still going to want a piece of this. Pierce is going wide receiver 38. Iuke is still going probably higher than I think he should be.

Oh, he's wide receiver 30. That's fine. It's okay. I'd rather some other guys. I think I'd rather Judy. Definitely rather Mike Evans. But for his price, I think there's a lot worse you could do

for taking a shot at a wide receiver that's going to be your third flex. I think he'll drop even more as the off-season progresses when he's kind of out of sight, out of mind, and ageism takes over. And then the real data starts flowing through in people's minds and research gets done.

So I think there's room for him to fall still. but I want to be at least a little bit invested in Debo, especially if I could get him as a throw-in for somebody who's pick-hungry, right? A couple-thirds. I'm somebody looking to maybe retool a little bit. Running back prospects that people really love stuff like that. I want to be in a little bit.

I do not want to pay the second. I don't want to pay a second right now. I don't want to do it. I want to avoid doing it. Yeah, I mean, I'd pay any second, especially in this class, but I don't like, I think he's good to be in on in theory, but I just think it'll be hard to get off.

People's teams or, like, hard to draft with where he's going. I worry about him. You know, he's 29. He's out of shape. You said he's injured. Like, he's always hurt. He also does a thing where he's, like, only good every other year. So maybe this next year will be the year he's efficient.

Because Debella, he's efficient to be good. If he's not efficient, he's not good. That's been the story with him. And he wasn't efficient this year and he wasn't good. But he also maybe ages a little different. because of the running back stuff. Like he has a lot of wear. He needs 200 career carries plus all his receptions,

29 years old and out of shape. I'm definitely worried about him because he just looked. He truly looked like he was cooked this year. And that doesn't mean he is for sure. We look like he was cooked. I would send seconds for him. Like I would send the 205, 206. Like I'm fine with any of that.

I mean, obviously I'd send thirds. I don't really think it would get done. Like for me personally, I'd rather just hold for that. even like if i had debaugh and someone sent me the 208 like i'd want to just hold them that's just that's just a kind of a theory thing on how i view twos i i hate them so i would i would send i would send a second for him easily you hate them until you need them to buy a running back and then you're mad that you don't have them yeah i went i went to try to buy a travis et n in every league i was actually i i tweeted about it and i was like it's kind of hard to buy him when you realize you don't have

many seconds. So now I had to try to get creative. And I sent offers. I did send, I sent, I sent, I did have a couple seconds, but I sent a 27 second in the league for my offer that. That's all I had. I was like, I don't have any seconds in a hard to get. And I had to be creative. And then like, I didn't want to sell any of my players. So, but I was able to send a few offers. So yeah, I definitely, none of my teams have seconds. But if I had one, I would send for D. Bo. Like, if I can, I have a league where I have the 211. Like, if you want the 211, please come get that. I'll set method. And it's reflected in some of the trades.

You got from today, Rashid Shaheed or Debo? I'll just take Debo. I'll take Debo. But that Rashid's Shaheed stuff is actually like, we need to talk about him in the future because his breakout was legit. He actually. Yeah, we tore his shit. He did, but he'll be back.

He's a little older than your thing, too. He's only in a second. He's not going to be back for sure at full health at the start of next year. It wasn't an ACL. It was a meniscus, right? yeah I still don't think late year tears it wasn't late for a speed guy I feel like he's been gone forever well the season is just long it wasn't like week one or two he played he played seven weeks he played seven games so midseason so not not really for me I'll take debo there I know

the breakout seemed very much legit we'll see we'll see what happens with the team and the offense who comes in, et cetera. No, I'd rather have Debo, too. I'm just saying, Rashihed's a player that probably shouldn't go, like, completely forgotten. He's just, yeah, he's just not somebody I'm ever really going to have because somebody's always going to like him more than me.

But funny, you say the 2-11, because nine days ago, Debo, Samuel, or the 2-11, right? You mentioned what we would take. He's just kind of in a lot of these weird sort of throw-in deals. We've got Ken Walker or Debo and Tony Pollard. Like, I'll take Ken Walker there. That's cheap. but he's kind of just in throw-in territory.

So it's just somebody that I want to, I don't want to spend a ton of time talking more about Debo, because we kind of know what he is. He's just someone that I'm checking in on and wanting to buy for cheap. I want San Francisco wide receivers. And with Walker, I just want to say it with Walker,

because you just brought him up. I think Walker is super cheap, and he's super obtainable. And there's this whole thing going on that I've seen, like with Walker thinking that like Charbonnet took over, it's not true. soon as Charbonnet was, oh my God. As soon as Walker got healthy, Charbonnet went right to the backseat.

So I don't think that's a true thing. And I've seen him go in the seventh round. So Walker is super obtainable. Yeah, he's another good one for sure. Let's hit. Those two players took way too long. But let's hit our last break. And then when we come back, we're going to finish this up with a little bit more high-priced profile players

that we should just be buying kind of regardless of the cost. and a couple that just shouldn't be able to be had. But seemingly, it's possible. Be sure to stick with us. Okay, a couple players. I know for sure one we're going to take quite a while to talk about. But let's talk about Nico Collins. I don't think Nico Collins should even be attainable,

but I want to be buying young wide receivers while draft picks are hot. Well, draft picks are the hot thing, and I'm looking towards 2026 and 27 mentioned earlier in the show because bucks is what we call coming full circle. Moving your 2025 picks that in my opinion right now look like guessing games, spend that hyped up currency on something that we already know is elite, borderline elite, we know can be elite.

And one of those is Nico Collins. Now, I didn't think Nico Collins was attainable, But we got asked in our Discord by a subscriber if they should sell Terry McLaren plus 105 for Nico Collins. And that answer is yes, every single time. That is a super cheap Nico Collins for a player that generally was costing you three firsts in season. He was drafted ahead of Jamar Chase in our startup, which we did say was incorrect to do. But that is the perception of him, is that he is an elite player that gets hurt sometimes. Now, his quarterback, ass, but that didn't matter.

It didn't matter in the playoffs. He was ass. You can say he played poorly. He was ass. This is what it is. But it's also coming from our charters. But in his working year and his sophomore year, by the way. But I digress.

I will be on this CJ shroud train for a while, it appears, because he's still being drafted at the 109 and enjoy that. long quarterbacks. No thank you. But I don't think Nico Collins should even be attainable. I just don't. But judging by Discord conversations that we're having, things that I'm seeing in Lee's, he went in the late second round in the draft that I am currently in. We have got the 103 and the 109 or Nico Collins. I'll take Nico, but I don't think that's very incredibly far off. It's not. But the fact that that's what the cost is right now, before, you would add another one to that.

Earlier in the year, you're coughing up your 26 first for that. For a projected early and a projected mid to late one, you're adding another first to that or a player. You've got Jonathan Taylor and the 201 or Nico Collins. I'm just taking Nico Collins. You've got the 2025-108, a 27 first and a 27 second, or Nico Collins. what are we doing?

I'll take Nico. We're just throwing out 27, so. Yeah, like, what are we doing? He shouldn't be attainable. We've got this one, which I also think is insane. You got Jemir Gibbs and Nico Collins for the 103, the 104, the 110, and a 26 first.

Yeah, it's not a real trade. That's, that's, that is insane. No, that's just one of those dudes that trades all the players and then has the team that, no, I don't. I agree. We've got D.K. Metcalf and Nico Collins or Roma

Dunesay the 109 and the 201 same thing Nico Roma Dunsay has been carrying a lot of weight lately yeah someone asked me for the 104 plus for for Romo Dunzee the other day yeah it's insane what this signifies to me is that he is at least

available enough to go and approach somebody about him so we should be checking in even if we don't think necessarily we'll get the deal done it doesn't it doesn't hurt to to check them out i agree let's talk about another player here we're gonna save oh we can't save t higgins for the last we're gonna do t higgins now let's talk with t higgins because i don't think he should be easily available at all and i have some really fun data for t higgins that i dug up and i couldn't believe i actually had to

dm multiple people because i thought our data suite was broken I thought there was an error because something stood out to me so broadly. He had 18.6 points per game, a 17.7 expected points per game, that's 6th and 5th respectfully. He did this with zero designed targets, zero, not one. Do you want to know how insane that is Buck? The only other wide receiver in the top 12 for expected fantasy points per game this past year, with less than 14 design targets was Little Points London. And he had two.

In points per game, players that did it without 14, well, Amunroh Saint Brown with 12, Mike Evans with one, AJ Brown was zero, Chris Godin with 12. It's pretty good company. Yeah, but what's the design target, though? Because why would T. Higgins get design targets? He gets first read targets. He's not a receiver that's going to get thrown screens.

Like, if you look at the players, like Drake, And again, big body receiver, not going to get thrown screens, AJ Brown and Mike Evans. So I don't know. Like it's not like it doesn't really shock because like what's a design target? Like behind this, like he's not going to guess he gets first reads. Like I'd rather him get a first read target of a downfield than a design. Like he's six five. It's almost like Buck.

I had something for that before you interrupted me. Can I continue? Yeah. All right. T. Higgins plays clearly more of the big X role. than even what Jamar Chase plays. He is a prototypical alpha design type wide receiver who can also create yak and break tackles.

Now you worry about his hamstring. Every time he takes a few steps, he's just a type of player that is just going to have that happen. He's really a more developed version of Will Fuller in that range, where when he plays, he's awesome, but his hamstrings are always a concern. And he is caught on to the hill technique now, so we can't even use Andrew Cooper's Hill method. He is caught on.

But why I might mention some of this design target stuff for his production means that he can do it without the gimmicks. He can do it without the screens. He can win at all parts of the field. You want him to run a slant and in and out? You know who's potentially a free agent this year? It's T. Higgins. Now, I think the best place for him to go is Cincinnati. I think he should not leave.

But if he does leave, he is the type of receiver that a team builds around. He is the prototype. We don't have to worry about can they manufacture him touches. And they use his skill. He is the complete skill set. He shouldn't be acquirable. I think he's a safe asset. There are situations that might be ass and a little more ass.

and a little more asser, if you would. But he is your prototype X. He is what people want Marvin Harrison Jr. to be when we talk about the prototype X, what they wish he could be. And these prices to me, Kyrin Williams or T. Higgins, I'll take T.

Me too. I'll take T. Kiron's great, great player. I'm not ever trusting a Sean McVeigh running back over a period of time. I'm not going to do it. generally speaking, I just want the wide receiver. You've got George Pickens in the 209 for T. Higgins, the 404, and the 408.

I would break my phone accepting except too hard. You've got T. Higgins in a 27 second for T. Benson, Rashad Bateman, and the 112. This is again easy. I don't care about the other side. This is a free 27 second to me. So I don't think he should be attainable. the way that he is. I don't think you should be attainable this way in drafts,

especially with such a awful, well, projected awful rookie class. He's going as the wide receiver 16. He's going in the fourth round. These prices for receivers historically going in the fourth round, not this cheap. So I do not know what it is for people that are setting him off with that,

but I'll continue to benefit. I'll continue to take him. I'll continue to trade for them. I'll continue to make offers for them. I'll continue to move some of these draft picks that are dying and losing their values, 106, 108, 109, 105, with Jalen Wattles, Terry McLorins, DJ Moors, etc. And I'll add on to those players to go and get a guy like T. Higgins, who is probably destined to stay where he is, wide receiver 16.

we talked about other players that would have a hard time moving up. He would basically need to have a Nico Collins season somewhere for him to really boost up. I don't even think going to someone where like, well, Drake May's fan base is so intense that maybe if he goes to New England, but I digress. But he's also just a constant potential wide receiver. He's a wide receiver two who has wide receiver one potential almost at all times.

So it would be interesting. It would be interesting to see where he goes from here, given free agency. but he shouldn't be this easily acquireable given the trades that I'm looking at right now because I know just personally, if I were to go out and try to acquire him, generally speaking, it would, again, this is,

I know our leagues, our leagues are tougher, but generally speaking from a casual, I won't even say casual market, but just what I'm able to find, these trades are very doable. Like I see trades that involve T. Higgins and Puka, which that's one of those not real trades. We got like 1-11 for T. Higgins and a third.

I don't know if T. Higgins broke his ankle, but he's done nothing to deserve these prices being so against them. The first one that I can really see that makes me question, given that these are all tight in premiums buck. Josh Downs and T. Higgins for Cedric Tillman and T. Bride is interesting because I think I want McBride in that. case. Yeah, I think it's over Higgins.

Yeah, and now the question mark becomes Josh Downs or Tillman, right? Some people really love Josh Downs. It's like a top 24 wide receiver for them. Unfortunately, Anthony Richardson still plays quarterback for them. Probably caps that a little bit. But for the most part, he should not, he should not be this readily available. He are going to have to pay for him in drafts. He's not cheap in drafts.

I doubt he'll ever be cheap in drafts. And I think that's fine. But for existing teams, my God, he is, he to me is a Dynasty Cornerstone type player. And my top 24 players, 25 and under, which is a list I cannot wait to put out. But those are two players that I looked at the board. I looked at my ranks. You better put it out in the day because he turns 26 in two days. Well, he'll be my shoehorn for what is it when they put in, what college players put in for an extra year

of eligibility. That'll be, yeah, that'll be, well, even some of these dudes are eight years, seniors, but I'm going to give that to T. Higgins, make sure he's still my cornerstone. But those are two

players that I don't think should be readily available. I want to talk about some players that are definitely available, that I am drafting still and acquiring still, because I think they're better than what their prices dictate. I want to start with Rishi Rice. We don't

need to talk numbers for Rishi Rice. He was unreal. We know he was unreal. We know what he did at the end of the year. The damn near 20 point per game player. The Alfa on the Chiefs, when he was healthy, and they gave him a full-time rule. Great. He still to this day should not probably be as cheap as he is. I said heading into the year that I thought Rishie Rice was going to be a second round

startup pick. I thought he would still be in the, he would have played himself into the second round. had his 20 point per game pace increase. I don't think that's debatable at all. Instead, I had to draft him at the 4-3 in the draft that I was in, and I look at his ADP, and you have to take Rishi at the closer to the beginning of the fourth round, just after Jonathan Taylor and Karen Williams,

I'll take Rishie. I'll take Rishie over Sam Leporta. I'm fine with it. He and T. Higgins, they go back-to-back for receivers. Pick your favorite, but I'm buying. I'm buying Rishi. I'm buying it as prices. His trade prices, they're not out of this world.

When I sit here and I go through, I usually look at these about two in the morning. If anyone wants to know, my brain at two in the morning starts asking, what about this? And then I have to go back and go settle it. There are some trades. You've got J.S.N. or Rishi Rice and Jalen Koker.

Pick your favorite. You've got A.J. Brown in the, 210 for Rishi. Somebody wanting to get out of the age of A.J. Brown, I get it. These are the expensive ends. What's that sorry? I'll take A.J. Brown. Yeah, and I get it. I totally under it. I don't think I would, but I totally get it.

Seven days ago, you got the 206 and the 201 for Rishi. That's easy Rishie Rice to me. Yeah, it's not real. You've got Roma Dunesay, the 407, and the 406 for Rashi and Jalen McMillan. Like you said, Roma Duneze is carrying weight. Yeah, you could probably do that trade. The Roma Dunezay stuff is strange. It is very strange.

You've got Roma Dunesay and a 26 second or Rishi Rice and this hurts. Jonathan Brooks. That's easy Rishi Rice to me. I don't even care about Brooks. Brooks is just a free IR filler at this point. Who's Jonathan Brooks? Never heard of her. You've got from 10 days ago Rishie Rice and then Trey Benson.

and James Connor. This is again, easy. Yeah, that's terrible. Is the easy Rishi Rice. And then just straight up the 111. Yes, awful too. So he is attainable. He is a little bit more back and forth

with expensive and not expensive, but I'll be asking, I have been buying and trying to buy since he got hurt. I've been successful sometimes. I've been not so successful. Others. I want to just quickly rip through three players

that I am. am in on and I'm in on at their startup cost and I'm hoping their startup cost reflects trade costs go check in we're not going to do full trade breakdowns for these guys because we want to keep this within a decent time frame okay Devontas smith i'm buying 15.3 points per game 11.5 expected he did not have a great first down per out run but he's also dealt with injuries this year he was without the qb one they turned into a run heavy team, obviously, with Sequin, but he was still able to provide big time games, wide receiver three on your roster looks really good. If it's Devontasmith, you get him right now at wide

receiver 19 in the fifth round. If you're sicko, he's your fourth wide receiver, generally speaking. At worst, he's probably your third wide receiver. I like that for him. Go and check in on him. I'm buying. We have Jerry Judy, who went full berserk the back half of last year, 18.5 points per game, 17.4, expected fantasy points per game. This is when James took over and then towards fully throughout the rest of the year. He was third in the league with a 0.108 first down per route run, a stat that Ryan Heath has identified as one of the stickier stats in fantasy to carry over year over year. in 96.3 receiving yards per game, which was second. He was seventh in the league in first reads.

Even when they had terrible quarterbacks playing DTR, the Zappy game was this funny. He missed Jerry Judy, a wide open plays because he's Bailey zappy and he sucks. I truly believe if they just kept playing James Winston, these numbers could look even better. You still do not have to pay that much for him. I got him in the seventh or eighth round in the startup that I am. him in his current price is wide receiver 32 eighth round in a startup trading for him might be harder because the person that has him has an attachment to the production which we don't talk about a lot but when a fantasy manager has an attachment to the production that player provided it is much

harder to get them off of that roster i have a ton of them you could come by them there you go so if i'm able to buy at his wide receiver 32 prices a couple of you know a second second and second and a player, second and a throw-in. I'm going to do that, but I'm not paying the upper-tier price for him. Like, I'm just not going to do that.

But he's a player that I'm identifying in every startup. I probably want to draft him in every startup if he's going in the eighth and ninth round. Like, if I have to choose between him and Keon Coleman, I'm going to take Judy or Michael Pittman or Khalil Shakir or some of these other wide receivers that go after him.

I'm just going to take. Jerry Judy. Josh Downs is another guy. I think I would just rather have Jerry Judy. I'd rather have downs. I think with Judy, he kind of goes back to where you're saying like, oh, don't, you know, don't buy projection. Jerry Judy has four years being bad. He's never had a good peripherals in four years in four years. He's had a lot of peaks in values. There's been like the circle of Judy. Like he was like a fifth round pick forever. And then he had, I was really in on him a year or two, going into year two. Going into year two, first game of the season was actually against the Giants. Teddy Bridgewater was his quarterback. He has like five for 73 in the first half, snaps his ankle,

ended up being an awful high ankle misses a ton of time. And his second season comes back and never catches, never was able to catch back to what looked like he was going to maybe break out. Year three, he gets Russell Wilson. He jumps a bunch of values. He sort of with Sutton. And then he's just like, he's always just been like an okay player, like never, never anything super crazy. And then even this year with Denver, with, uh, with Cleveland, you know, he was like okay in the beginning of Deshawn Watson, like earning some targets all right. And then his, his breakout coincides with the Cedric Tillman thing. Like he was getting out by Cedric Tillman. Stedlman. Cedlittlton goes out and then Judy takes off. So I don't know.

I don't want to just like crown him because we do have four years of him not, you know, honestly, in all honestly, being a bust, but he does have a lot of name. He held a lot of value in Dynasty for a lot of years. But, like, the seventh round, like, I could probably find someone else. I'd rather draft because we are drafting off a rejection for him. He's been, like, he had, there's a lot of things that coincided with his breakout and mainly was the Tillman thing. Like, we don't know what would happen if Tomlin would play. So Tillman had a concussion, missed half of a season. And then Judy took off. And obviously had a huge game versus, is huge game versus old team, which is like a game. It seems like he got up for because he definitely has had concerns in the past of just like not always giving a shit, not always trying on all his routes. He's like a zesty route runner that has good highlights. But when you watch every one of his play, he's not always open. So I don't know. I'm interested in to me extent. I had a bunch of him. Like I dropped to him a lot last year when he was super cheap. Like he those are the type of players. I'm interested in when like the market falls off from their 14th round picks. Like I have a ton of him. But I sold a couple.

But yeah, I don't know. I don't really think we should like crown him because it is a super small sample. And he's like we have four years of data of him of being like not good and failing or falling past expectations. A really good prospect. But when you kind of look at what we know now, opposed to what I knew in 2020, he was pretty overrated prospect when you look at it now. Not then like obviously I like him coming out so to everybody. So after after the Cooper trade when he got to play as the wide receiver one, his stats really skyrocketed

and in the games that he and Tillman both played in terms of targets, points and production, they were close enough for me to be fine with both. And then the best part about if you want to, Tillman played, got concussed,

he didn't play half the year, etc. I want to be in. Guess what? You can draft them both. Tillman's the wide receiver 52 or 57. Draft him both. I mean, at the end of the day, we're not talking about a guy who is expensive.

I mean, you're talking about a guy who's potentially what, your seventh wide receiver on your team? Yeah, I'm interesting. I'll definitely take that. I don't just, I don't know. I don't want to pay a premium on Judy, just because I've seen it. I just don't think it's a premium. I mean, I would rather, his breakout needs to be taken. 18 points per game on that team with that ass of quarterbackery.

it needs, in my opinion, to be taken at least seriously enough. You just don't get 18 points for game out of nowhere. It's kind of like the same argument with Tillman that we had to begin of the year. He said, you know, we should take his whatever it was 19 or whatever points per game. I think we need to take.

Yeah, we should. The telling thing was. For game seriously. And Tillman was inexpensive at the time too. And he's still inexpensive and you can still acquire Tillman for dirt cheap. It's just like we do. still like we don't want to ignore four years of data on Judy he's a fifth year player that's like

he could just all of a sudden be what are you supposed to be but I don't know so if with guys like Nico it took him three years instead of four years he was way better peripherals than then we took I'm I'm just saying when you get 18 points per game and it's a couple years down the road and then the situations had changed and coaches changed he got put into a role that he benefited. It's hard, like you said before, it is hard to put those, it's hard to put that production back in the bottle.

It's the same thing Brett Whitefield mentioned when he was talking about him before. I believe Scott Barrett had mentioned the same thing where once you see it, it's really hard to put that back in the bottle. And then when you go and look at you something, it's Jerry Judy and a 25-209, smash. Jerry Judy or Ricky Pearsall and Wondale,

Smash on Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy in the 201. That's a little tougher. That's a little tougher. I'm still probably going to take Jerry Judy there. Again, my opinions on this class are not good. You've got Jerry Judy and Najee for Devante Adams and Brian Robinson. Smash on the Jerry Judy and Najee side.

Then there's a bunch of weird throw-in types like Malachi Corley. Even seeing his name on this page pisses me off a little bit, Buck. It just makes me angry. But then you get Liget, Kionn Coleman, and Javante for Pierrissol and Judy. These are the prices I'm talking about. These are the prices that I will be going and buying at, because these are smashes, in my opinion. Absolute Sma.

Even if we get 14 points per game, Jerry Judy, at these prices, that is a flex play. That is a higher end flex play most weeks. Shit, that's a wide receiver three in some weeks. I'm going to be happy having him at these prices in that seventh round. We'll see what happens with the quarterback situation. I'll be okay with it. I'm going to be okay at that price.

The next one I want to talk about is Chris Godwin. I am going to be buying a little bit more than I thought I would be. I had said this whole time, I am out, I am out, I am out. He's still going a little high. Wide receiver 36, ninth round. There are other receivers I prefer like Devante Adams, who we're going to talk about right away. but man

one year contract to come back and prove that he's healthy he can still play in Tampa that's going to make me interested there's a couple other spots that I think can fit in for Godwin as well I'm going to be interested

this is still a little rich so I would be cautious but I'm going to be in for sure you want to talk about draft picks plummeting in value 112 is going at pick 103. It's mid-ninth round.

That's kind of crazy to me. This class is just not holding up on draft boards right now. That's kind of insane. But he's, I'm, I put him in the cautiously optimistic pool, buck. Cautiously optimistic. The bonus one that I had was Cortland Sutton. You want to talk about another guy. He had the Zero Burger against Carolina and

everyone panicked. I'm sure you remember. Big Zero Burger. Smash spot in Carolina. Sell, sell, sell, sell, sell. It's over. It's over. It's over.

Hold a phone. Goes on an insane run. It puts a damn near league winning numbers. And a lot like Judy, we had one really good year with Sutton, a bunch of injuries, a bunch of quarterback stuff,

coaching changes, the whole lot. Tim Patrick, the best receiver on this team. etc, etc. Which also shout out Tim Patrick for like balling out in Detroit. That was pretty badass. That was pretty awesome.

I don't say hope he wins a ring because Baltimore is still in it. But I like that Tim Patrick was able to carry on his NFL career. But he just went at the 10-9 in the draft that I'm in. And I don't think that reflects how well he did. He's an unrestricted free agent after 2025, which he's under contract for this year. He's going to play this year. He's still going to have Sean Payton. He's still going to have Bo Nix.

He's a type of player I can see them trying to resign to like a three-year deal on an Adam Thielen level contract. Adam Thielen is another guy I'm into, by the way. Took him in the 19th or 20th round. That was unreal. And he's dirt cheap. But Sutton is another guy very cheap. Cheap in drafts. Generally speaking, pretty cheap in trades.

The ones that I've gone and seen, I've acquired them. I acquired them for two-thirds. not that long ago truly insane I'm too old I need to I need to shed points in the next year I want to rebuild okay I'll take them I'll take them but those are my guys those are my veterans I think I'm sorry I did have one more I've one more I missed one is Devante Adams I called Adams a must buy I wrote them up for a fantasy teams fourth or fifth wide receiver and one way or another it was exactly that 17.2 points for game 18.1 expected.

No matter where he ends up, we know Adams is just going to command targets. That's just going to be a part of the stipulation wherever he goes. Now it's not going to be to like the Aaron Rogers obsessed levels. I see your note here. I do not know if he has a Taco Bell in his house actually, but apparently he had a Taco Bell. I don't even know how that would work. Do you just employ people to be there for eight hours?

It's one person. You see like one worker. They only have one worker. That's it. But do they just stay in his? house for 12 but I don't understand how it works. I don't know. You really think he really think that's real.

I think he has a Taco Bell in there. So how often? It would be the strangest thing that someone would have in their house. But how often does he order Taco Bell? So like he's not ordering it every day. So the worker's just there not working out. Because you know what day it is? Like, oh, it's Wednesday.

Or instead of like Taco Tuesday, like LeBron had it's Taco Bell Tuesday. And he just orders like four cheesy gorditas. So like his friends that. live close like they that's their taco bell they go there they just go to his house you imagine somebody comes to pick up a door dash devante adams house because he technically have to register it wait would you have to franchise it i don't know that that should be licensed the name hold on could you tag someone find out if you can door dash devante adams taco bell because you'd have to license it that'd be next level what's what's the what's the what's

bucks taco bell order. Lux Cravings, bucks, $7. You already know? Okay, okay. I go with the cheesy gordita, but I substitute chicken for the beef. I don't know. A lot of people don't know that you can do that,

but if you ask them to use chicken and not beef and a cheesy gordita, not only does it guarantee that you get a fresh one, taste way better. Then, of course, you've got to go with the cheesy gordita crunch. You have to go with a cheesy gordita.

It is next level. And after you get those two items, you can cap it off with whatever you want. You can go burrito. A lot of them, they have the KFCs attached to them. You can go crispy, spicy, spicy chicken sandwich. I do not get fries from Taco Bell. I will get a Baja blast. So I like to go to the three items because I'm a fat piece of shit.

And the Baja blast. If I'm going to Taco Bell, I want to not leave my bathroom until, the next day. If I'm going there, I'm making it count. So you got to get the box, though. You can't order all this stuff a la carte. You're wasting money. It's all in the box. And you get it. They don't, they don't have the box with all of those specific items, Buck. And I like my bougie Taco Bell. So, it's not Taco Bell. I just have the chicken nuggets.

If I'm going, chicken nuggets from, oh, KFC and Taco No, no, from Taco Bell. I'm not over chicken nuggets from Taco Bell. You're a triven. They go crazy. I make my own chicken nuggets. I They got tortilla breading. Don't say they're new. I just buy my, I just make my own. If you make your own chicken nuggets, you cut your chicken, you put it in the cubes. I can make my own and eat a crunch too.

You can use, oh, I have a recipe for that, by the way. It is fire, by the way. Instead of a tortilla chip in the middle, I crisp parmesan cheese in the bottom of a pan in the shape of a tortilla. So that middle bite isn't just tortilla. the crunch comes from fried parmesan cheese. Yes, there's a reason I am a fat tub of shit right now. It's because I've made some recipes.

But back to Adams. Jets have an out in 2025. He has a bunch of void years. He was traded under the understanding it would be reworked. If Rogers does play somewhere, as you mentioned, he'll be on that team with him. If not, like you said, I doubt he's a jet. But wherever he goes,

I think he's going to at least be a wide receiver, a high-end wide receiver three, to a wide receiver two. Now he did look like he was slowing down a little bit towards the end of the year. But man, for the most part, he had some big games for me. And I think I'll just be happy to roster him again this year.

Yeah, I don't know. It depends. It's really hard with him because he was legitimately force-fed targets. So I don't know how good he still is. because he earned a lot of volume, but it wasn't earned. Like, we know he got forced fed, and he looked worse. I don't know. I mean, I think he's interesting.

Probably not a player. I'd want to draft, but I'd want to buy him similar to Mike Evans. But, yeah, I don't know. Like, I don't know how good he is. I would really want him to be with Aaron Rogers, if I'm interested in him. Yeah, that's cool. He was just talking about wanting to go somewhere the other day. Not, I forget what team it was.

He was just saying they asked him if he would play for. them and oh uh would you play for mike tomlin he said yeah that's what it was right so wherever he goes i think he's gonna get that would be a death now well i don't i don't even know what george pickets is on the roster next year but i don't even know if mike tomlin's the coach correct so we've seen adams though put up big games winning downfield obviously the week 15 game was insane so shout out to him for that we saw him win downfield a couple of times i think he still got the sauce because he's a route runner. He's not really a burner. So I think it's possible.

But I'm still going to be in again if that price is cheap. Because these veteran wide receivers, I got to tell you, they come and clutch down the stretch. So that's it. I'd rather buy some of those guys, then pay the iron price, sign this whole show together, then pay the iron

price for some of these, say, Roma Duneze types, who we've kind of figured out today through process. He's kind of propping himself up in a way that we don't like we're out at least at his current holdings so let's get out of here with some final thoughts book we'll wrap this episode up we'll set ourselves up for next week i'm still working on trying to get some time for next week but i'll kind of announce that when we wrap up let's get some

final thoughts you go first want me to go first to my final thoughts yeah all right all right All right. My final thoughts of this. When you're looking at your roster constructions, you're looking at your teams and what you do and don't want to do. Before you ask anyone, myself, Buck, the Discord, or your friends, what should I do with my roster? What would you do with this?

Now, I don't mind answering these questions, but I think that there's a step that you can do before you ask the question. and that's look at your league, look at where you were, look at where you finished, and look within that league, and define what separated each team. Do they like running backs? Do they like wide receivers? Do your settings allow quarterbacks? Is there pick disparity? Is there no pick disparity?

Does one team have them all already? if one to two teams have all the picks for this year already, trying to go and acquire picks for this year is going to often be counterproductive. So there are definitely things that you can do to set yourself up for success. This is what I'm going to be doing probably on my Twitch channel is going through each team and looking at kind of what I can and can't do for each one. I'm going to go through those very steps myself and do some team identification. So just be smarter with your moves and don't make them just to say you have something.

Look at your league, look at your team, look where you finished, and truly look at what the rest of your league is doing before you decide what you should be doing with yours. My final thoughts are, as we sit here on January 16th, Thursday at 506 Eastern Time. But you're not having any needs. You don't set a lineup for another five months. So you don't need to trade for need. in January you don't need a running back you don't need a wider sewer we don't set a line up until September you'll be fine it'll be good everything will be great yep I love that see a lot of that now

I really need a running back right you know you don't you're not playing this week where you playing this week are you playing division around fantasy football you don't need that right now there's lots of time for that you're right and unless your league tells you that you need to have a legal roster leave that guy on I are you know leave Leave that player that you on taxi squad, right? If it's not in your bylaws that tell you you have to drop some players to have a, quote, legal roster, if it's not in the bylaws. Unless you're in the league with me, because that is in the bylaws, cut your players. We don't want, we don't want the question.

The no more IR players in the IR get them out of there. That is in there. I hate that. Yeah, it doesn't matter because we're not setting a lineup right now, but, I mean, there are decisions you got to make sometimes, and sometimes you don't got to make them. So like I said, if it's not in your bylaws, don't worry about it. Don't worry about who it annoys. You know, do what you need to do. Get as much info as possible.

But that being said, that's going to do it for the show today. If you like this, leave us a review. Five stars goes the long way. We work hard on this. I was up late a couple nights here this week, getting this podcast ready to go. Because I felt like I owed it to everybody with the stuff going on in my life personally. and then of course being sick. So shout out to all you guys.

You guys deserved a good in-depth episode. I appreciate everyone who reached out to me after finding out my grandfather had passed away. So shout out to you guys. That was really nice. I appreciated that. It's nice to feel like family. That's been an interesting ride for me this week.

But that's why I always say, check in on your loved ones, even if you're not sure that you need it. Or they need it. I mean, you could both need it probably. That's why I say it because you never know. with that being said we'll see you guys next week we are trying our best to get all of the dynasty rankers theo griminger ryan heath myself and and andy buckler together for one 45 minute long podcast for the next couple of weeks do quarterbacks probably quarterbacks and tight ends honestly and then we'll do running backs and wide receivers three podcasts for you guys and we will do these throughout the off season where all of us will get together discuss our ranks,

discrepancies, as best we can to not have it be three hours, and we'll do that for all you guys. So with that being said, remember that clear eyes, full hearts can never lose and that your best days

are always spent tilting. Enjoy your weekend. Enjoy your football. And please, for the love of God, Baltimore, please, please don't lose this game

because I cannot listen to Nick Wright for one more off season. The NFL conversations are tiring. Don't listen to them. Don't listen to BrainRot. Don't listen to team accounts.

Just enjoy the games. Stay off of Bill's Mafia Twitter. Stay off of Ravens flock Twitter. None of that shit actually matters. They're not real people. So just avoid that. Enjoy the games this week. I know I'm going to try to.

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