Fantasy Football Daily - 2025 Fantasy Football Game-Changers: Breaking Down Every New OC! w/ Jim Coventry

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

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of the NFL season. Got to start to take a look at some of these new offenses. Sort of questionable situations, changing situations can often provide big ADP wins, but oftentimes they can do. disappoint us significantly if we get too excited about these. How are you doing today, Jim? Oh, it's always a great time to talk football. I don't care if it's May. This is great time for getting ready for our drafts. A hundred, hundred percent. Let's just get this thing started. I think that my big interesting takeaway when I look at the new offensive coordinators in the

NFL is you have an extensive amount of coaches from the now Dan Campbell tree. You also have the, as we see every offseason, the Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh tree. We see three more of those in new spots. So half of the coaches we're going to talk about are coming from two specific situations slash organizations any way you want to cut it. Very, very interesting stuff. It's a copycat league, but the NFL is really chasing sort of what works. Why don't we get started with the McVeigh-Shannahan coaching tree? This is always the interesting one. One of the names that I was most interested in discussing today was Nick Cayley. But you have some apprehension about him really elevating things in Houston. Like the Bobby Slowick situation last year, Jim,

I don't know if we've ever seen an offensive coordinator as steamed up in his reputation one year and then completely exposed the following season when it comes to Bobby Slowick. Houston was a team that got people in a lot of trouble last year. Joe Mixon was an ADP winner. Nico Conno, Collins was pretty much gave you what you bought, what you expected as an ADP price tag. Everything else was sort of a disaster, namely C.J. Stroud, who steamed up into a top six ADP at the quarterback spot. Really, this year, massive correction. He's being drafted inside of mid-QB-2 land. They've done a lot to add to the passing game this offseason, drafted two wide receivers on day two, traded for Christian Kirk, big changes on the offensive line. What are

your expectations for Nick Cayley? So you started out talking about Bobby Sloick. Go back two years ago and why C.J. Stroud had the year he did. Well, they did it because it was a classic 49ers offense. They ran heavy personnel with a fullback. It's critical. When they ran to fullback, defense had to bring the defender down from the safety position. Downfield shots were plentiful for Stroud. Well, the offensive coordinator, Bobby Sloick, got hung out to drive. last year. His general manager cut all his fullbacks. So therefore, they had to put Sloick as a 49er Shanahan type coach into an 11 personal three receiver offense. He had no chance. He was not trained in that. He, I mean, somebody could have a chance, but they took him out of the water. He was a fish.

They took him out of the water and said, all right, breathe and swim. Couldn't do it. So C.J. Stroud really was the loser in that one. So like you said, Nick Cayley comes in. Now, Nick Cayley, like you mentioned from the McVeigh tree. So this can be a very different offense. This is going to probably be three receiver sets. Now they ran a lot of those last year. Receivers will block more. That'll help their run game.

It'll help their offensive line. But it'll also scheme up a lot of quick throws. So that'll be good. But here's one thing I want to caution with McVeigh's disciples. They don't always follow him to a T. Now, Zach Robbins is with the Falcons. He kind of has. The Falcons were first in the league with 86%

in three receiver sets last year. McVeigh is normally at the top of the league. That was kind of an easy one. But Liam Cohen, he was a disciple of McVeigh. He was only at 71% three receiver sets. He definitely integrated the run game more than McVeigh. And McVeigh does like balance. But Cohen made that little more of a staple.

Zach Taylor out in Cincinnati, he only runs those three receiver sets 60% of the time. So the people who have come from McVeigh have taken some ideas. But the only one that's really classically run it for the most part. And even the receiver blocking is not quite there is Robinson. So the disciples are weird. Here's the problem. Nick Cayley has no serious coaching experience. Yes, he's been able to learn, but he's not been a play caller. And that's huge. So when he comes in here, adjustments are what make these coaches. And if you don't have that experience of play calling, defensive coordinators

are going to adjust to what you do. And if you don't have the answer, basically your week one mode is stuck. Remember Ryan Grubb last year? That was the problem. And I told you that preseason. Don't be excited about Ryan Grub. He'll come out hot, but he'll have no adjustments when the coaches on the other team adjust to him. And he didn't. I see the same problem here. We actually butted heads on Ryan Grubb last offseason. I was way more enthusiastic about Grub than you were. I remember this sort of conversation. This was a guy coming from Washington made this huge impact as a collegiate offensive coordinator. Comes to the league. I'm like, you know, we're checking off all these boxes. It's exciting. Mystery

and you were very sobering and you were correct, Jim. So I'll take the L on that one. Interesting when it comes to Kaylee, when we talked about the run game and the extra blockers and using the receivers as blockers, is that sort of a Joe Mixon is well-priced at ADP and Mixin is going to deliver for a second season, is Mixing in a good spot for you?

Or is it a Nico Collins could maybe benefit from just, we've seen the guy hit 17 and a half points per game like two years in a row left wanting just a little bit more because this is a player that we believe is very, very talented alpha wide receiver profile. If you were betting on a player in Houston returning value this year, what would be your preferred pick when we put into context? Nico Collins is going to cost you an early second round pick. He's being drafted as the wide receiver eight, whereas Joe Mixen, despite his very strong season last year, still a very affordable price tag player being drafted around like running back

17, which puts you in towards the tail end of the fourth round oftentimes. So I will answer both of those, but I'll start with option C. I'll start with C.J. Stroud. He's the big winner. C.J. Strout, I mentioned why he had a bad year last year, but that was actually for long term. It was a good thing because he's going to learn. He learned a lot last year because he was put at a disadvantage. And even though he didn't have the best fantasy season, he learned. He learned what is like to face two high safeties and have to live in that world. The league adjusted to C.J. Stroud, he didn't get any help.

I believe C.J. Shrard is a superstar quarterback. I believe he's closer to what we saw as a rookie than what we saw last year. And I believe Stroud will make adjustments. So regardless of the coach, I think with the receiving weapons they have, Stroud has it. And if you notice Theo in the two playoff games, that the Texans played, Stroud, who normally doesn't run, he ran for at least 40 yards in both of those games. He may be opening up another element of his game. Now you speak to Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon has been the exact same guy about six years running. If he was in Cincinnati,

if he was in Houston, it didn't matter. He's always like 3.9 to 4.1 yards per carry, gets a heavy rushing volume. He'll, he's active in the passing game. But I think Woody Marks could take some of that passing game away. Mixing is still like 29. So, So he's not like over the hill yet, but something's going to creep up kind of quick. I think as you're intimating at ADP, I think he's a fine floor pick. The line is they trade away Laramie Tons select didn't help. The line wasn't good last year. Mixon did slow down in the second half of season.

His numbers were down. But I think you're pointing out he's a value pick because the volume will be there. Marks will get some work, but Joe Mixon does real specific dirty work. And I think that dirty work is going to be needed. Yes, shrouds and interesting. one because we've seen his value shift down in dynasty, let alone redraft. It could be a potential bounce back. I'm glad you brought up Woody Marks. Super interesting. Had over 250 catches as a collegiate. What's interesting is you add Jalen Knoll and Jaden Higgins to go along with Christian Kirk.

This is a very strong wide receiver room for C.J. Stroud. So I think that a lot of this off season was based on getting C.J. Stroud back on track. Super interesting one. Now with Nick Cayley, we have no sample size. With Liam Cohen, we have a really strong sample size. Liam Cohen last year, I would say is an innovator. Average 29 points per game as an offense coordinator, top five scoring team in football last year, really made his mark. Early in the year, he bumped Chris Godwin back inside. We saw Godwin under Dave Canales play predominantly on the outside. We also saw an embrace of Bucky Irving, who was really perfect for his scheme. Irving was more of a big play threat than we ever seen. We ever see.

saw with Rashad White, who was really, really good as sort of a compiler in 2023. But that was a lot of Liam Cohen sort of embracing that sort of running back. Obviously, Mike Evans towards the tail end of the season and Baker Mayfield over 40 touchdown passes. So do we have the same kind of vibes in Jacksonville or do you have real apprehension about this offensive line being able to support a top notch offense? And I think you hit the nail on the head there. in Tampa Bay, the tackles were great. The interior line was okay.

They drafted Senator Mason Graham. He was good enough. Realistically, a power run game, they did well as a line. So that was a big strength. And Cohen was able to lean on that. And he did play 32% with an extra tight end on the field. So he was like middle of the packet. So he was willing to put an extra body out there to block.

So it worked out really well. The key to that offense was also those tackles protecting Baker Mayfield. Mayfield was frequently comfortable and he was good at stepping up in the pocket. So he was able to make place. So basically Liam Cohen always had the full playbook at his disposal because everything was situationally right for him. And it was a perfect storm. He had the perfect components.

Now, Jacksonville will be interesting. As you mentioned, the offensive line, nowhere close to what we saw in Tampa Bay last year. And look, say Baker Mayfield is a bad quarterback and I can't fight you on that one. But his second year was when Freddie Kitchens tank. out as a coach, his fourth years when he tore up both shoulders and played. And then the year after that, it was that weird year between Carolina and the Rams. But if you take his other four seasons, Baker Mayfield has actually been a slightly above average NFL quarterback. He's not been a train wreck. He's had four good years. Now, last year was a career year, of course. And so now Trevor Lawrence,

well, he doesn't have a 25 touchdown season on his resume. And I know the coaching there's been bad. But at some point, if you're an elite quarterback, you've probably got to have one of those seasons, and he doesn't have it. He has a half a good season to his resume. Now, Cohen excites me because he will figure out how to weaponize his players. He didn't, unlike Sean McVeigh, he didn't make Mike Evans block. Well, go back with McVeigh, he didn't make O'Dell Beckham block. So, but it was smart. He used the players for what they did best. God, Godwin still blocked. So he understands it. So Cohen will get the absolute most out of this group. The running back room is a little bit if he's got a lot of bodies,

but I don't know they have anybody. One last thing I'll say. Cohen is going to have a real job to get the most out of Brian Thomas. Theo, Brian Thomas was a wide receiver one-ish type and we're drafting him really high. Do you know that all of his big games pretty much came with Mac Jones? It was a six-game stretch. Those games with Trevor Lawrence, I want to say in 11 games, he was under six PPR points three times. He only was over 15 PPR points twice.

Brian Thomas Jr. did very little with Trevor Lawrence. Liam Cohen, that is job number one. And can he fix it? I hope because Trevor Lawrence needs to get the most out of that young man. When it comes to BTJ, I'll take a glass to have full argument and say that we saw him finish as a top five score at the wide receiver position in a bottom eight scoring offense. If Liam Cohen could come in there and make this a middle, and again, low bar. I'm saying if he can make them a very middle of the pack offense, BTJ could actually have an explosive season.

Talent, I don't think we're questioning, athleticism, certainly not. When it comes to BTJ is checking off a ton of boxes for a guy that could take that next big step. So I will have bags packed to BTJ this year. My rankings come out at fantasy points sometime maybe this week or next. I did a top 50, which becomes a top 100. BTJ is very high up there.

And what I think is interesting is the Travis Hunter selection, it gives you of the ability to bump BTJ inside, which Liam Cohen has talked about moving him around a little bit more in the offense. If we could see BTJ like 30% of the time in the slot, maybe even 35% of the time in the slot, you're going to get him a few more easy button looks, a chance to use his yak ability.

I mean, that really excites me. The question we do need to ask is, why was Mack Jones a perfect, fit for Brian Thomas Jr. And my answer is this, it was aggression. Mac Jones had nothing to lose. He just got aggressive. He just started throwing it downfield, pounding targets.

The targets were through the roof. Mack Jones may not be a good quarterback, but Mac Jones understood the only way I'm going to have success is pounding this young man with targets. And again, coaching or no coaching, Trevor Lawrence, I hope he is not set in his ways. I hope he is coachable. I hope he's able to do this because I love. to see Brian Thomas Jr. have a season. But that is my apprehension because he had a long time with Trevor Lawrence and it didn't get better in those last few games. It never got better. And so I'm just

very concerned with that. Again, we're very hopeful. I trust Liam Cohen. I believe if somebody can do it, it's Cohen. But we have to really answer that question. Is Trevor Lawrence a good quarterback? And that's that's the question. And I think Trevor Lawrence is one where if things go south this year, Jacksonville is going to embrace one of these quarterbacks in the 2026 class because you have a 22-year-old wide receiver playing next to a 21-year-old wide receiver. They have no first-round pick next year. So it's going to take a little finagling and getting around. But when we talk about the 2026 class, there's like six guys who can go in the first round,

Jacksonville trying to get inside the back half. Like, there'll be competition for T-Law. On the flip side, if T-Law can get things together, then that Travis Hunter trade is going to look really, really smart because you're going to have two of the most dynamic wide receivers attached to a quarterback who sort of gets ever. everything right. And it's year five for him, Jim. This is a guy who's been in the league long enough year five, a lot of pressure being put on Trevor Lawrence. But Liam Cohen, we really believe in him. This is an offense that we have circled as one we really need to watch this year.

Let's take a quick break. We come back. We're talking about Clint Kubiak, now running the Seattle Seahawks offense. Welcome back, Fantasy Football Daily, Theo Griminger with Jim Coventry of Rotowire. Jim, let everybody know what you're doing this time of year where they can find your work. Like all of us, busy, busy, busy. There are threads and stats of the day on the X every day at Jim Coventry NFL, Twitter live shows on the Roto Wire account of that. And everything you find, you find it through at Jim Coventry NFL on the X. That's where you get all the work.

And then at Roto Wire, we're giving off 15% off discount on any subscription. He uses Roto 15 at checkout when you go to Rodewire.com. That's where you can find all my work there. But again, get it through the X. Yeah, I'm going to be on RotoWirePod, end of the month, on Alan Sislowski's Dynasty Pod. Big shout out to Jim Coventry and Alan Soslowski. You'll see them throughout the season here on my pods and fantasy points because I love

these guys. These guys are ball knowers and they always bring the heat when they're on my podcast. Let's keep it going. Clint Kubiak, you mentioned the use of the fullback. One of the low key draft picks this off season was Seattle drafting Robbie Outs in the fifth round. And people are like, who's that? And Theo, you probably mispronounce his last name.

But you're talking about a six foot four, 275 pound fullback. And Seattle's going to embrace them. And when we talk about these guys like Kyle Eustich, guys like Alec Ingold, it's interesting. Certainly, you know, these are names that don't put up fantasy points,

but these are names that obviously help other players score points. When you have a fullback on the field, this is a player that they're not designing plays for. And this is a player that's free. up another running back as a blocker. And when you're talking about blocking, past blocking, these are also guys who can add some there. So like last year when we talked about Clint Kubiak,

we're talking about a guy who started off red hot. When the Saints were fully healthy, they scored 45 and 44 points back to back weeks. Everybody's like, this guy, Clint Kubiak, is going to be a head coach next season. Then guys started getting injured. Derek Carr fell back to regression. and things went south.

But when you look at the Saints, Chris Olive and Rashid Jihad combined for like 14 games played, like 15 games played. So there was, they were missing horses last year. But Kubiak was certainly a guy who got a lot out of Alvin Kamara. He averaged 19 points per game last year. I'm very bullish on this situation.

There's enough in Seattle right now with two running backs who have shown they could score in fantasy, Ken Walker, and Jigba had 100 catches last year. They add Cooper Cup, sort of an interesting pickup. See how much they can get out of him at his age and his health hold up. But this Seattle offense seems like it could be an underrated one for fantasy. Clint Kubiak's interesting.

Why did he have those big games to start the season with the Saints? Well, here's what they did. First of all, they were number one in the league and heavy personnel. Two thirds of snaps, a little less than that. They had an extra heavy player, whether it's a tight end or a fullback on the field. And then what they were doing with Derek Carr, remember, if Derek Carr is under pressure, Derek Carr is terrible. Well, what they did was they used boot action and play action behind that extra blocker

that they had. And it worked out well. Remember, Rashid Shaheed is outstanding as a deep receiver and he made some big plays early. And Derek Carr say many things about him. But if he is protected, he can get the ball downfield. So it was a perfect storm. Now, here's what Clint Kubiak has to deal with. first of all, you're going from Derek Carr to Sam Darnold.

And you might think, okay, well, what's the difference? But remember, this is a perfect officer, Derek Carr. Sam Darnold has a mobility to do boot action and play action. But I don't see him as a deep passer. Derek Carr is actually a good deep passer. So we have to see how that shakes out. But who's he throwing too deep? That's the next problem.

Jackson, Smith, and Jigba, Cooper Cup are your top two receivers. They're both really intermediate receivers at most. Marquez, Veltas, Scantling's on the roster. we know he had a few big plays for the Saints last year when he moved into that role, but can you really count on him? And so it's a question of what we're going to get from Seattle out here now. So like you said, with Seattle, they have good running backs, but the offensive line's not very good, but it wasn't good in New Orleans.

I think Kubiak is going to give Donald a chance to at least have some easy connections. But I don't think the downfield and Magic New Orleans will be there because of personnel. I do think that Jackson Smith and Jigba is a huge beneficiary because with his quarterback getting some time with the protections, I think those targets go into 150 range. What were they in the 110s or something like that last year? I think we're going to go 150 targets. 150 targets for JSN would certainly be a huge leap forward.

He also escapes like two seasons ago. It's Tyler Lockett and D.K. Mecca for completely boxing him out his rookie season. Last year he sort of overcame everything, had 100 receptions. And this year, both those guys are gone. JSN is the man. So it's the full maturation of JSA. I agree. And I think the additional blockers.

And Jim, what's interesting with Jason, like, would we want to play him outside a lot? Maybe not. But I think that when we're talking about him reaching a fantasy ceiling, being able to play outside and getting out of the slot is something that he has to embrace. Let's see if, do you have it in you to give us a top three scoring season at the wide receiver spot? That sort of thing would have been very difficult to come by unless he was going to put up like peak Michael Thomas numbers. for him to do with last year's usage. So I think Seattle getting Cup,

Cup can't play outside at this age. I think that's wishful thinking. Well, to block he does. To block he does. He'll play outside to block. To block. But in terms of his usage as a receiver, you've got to think that the majority of his production is going to come

from inside the slot, those easy button type reads, whereas JSN can win both ways. So for me, like Kubiak has shown the ability to be aggressive. he's shown the ability to be innovative. He has two running backs who are good. Seattle's made efforts to improve their offensive line. Love the gray Zabel pick in the NFL draft. I'm optimistic about this team.

Can Sam Darnold support it? Darnold was in a better offensive ecosystem last year in Minnesota, but can Kubek sort of scheme him up? I'll tell you one thing. I'll take 2025 Sam Darnold over 2024 Derek Carr all day and twice on Sundays, Jim. again with the system if it's going back to one the deep passing i don't think darnel has it in his arsenal but that's neither here nor there but you're right in terms of an effective quarterback for 16 weeks yeah i would i would prefer in this case darned over card do not disagree with you one last thing i'll

say the running game started out hot camero was leading the league through four weeks he was like blowing away all the running backs and then philadelphia said oh we see what you're doing Philadelphia put a fifth defensive lineman on the field, and that was the blueprint to stop the rushing attack. Once that happened, the rushing attack never caught wind again because it was more of a wide zone run. And what happened was they had no ability to push runs inside. And so we'll see what happens in this new landing spot for Clint Kubiak,

but we'll see if he can refine his running game. And because the blueprint is out on how to stop what they did in New Orleans, we have to see if it translates here. I remember that week three game. It was sort of like the one that we thought was going to be a shootout. It was like a 15-12 game. Sequin Barkley had the walk-off touch on. Exciting game, though, Jim.

I'd definitely get me excited for football by mentioning that one. Let's talk about the Dan Campbell coaching tree. We're starting to see it. Not only are we seeing, you know, obviously Aaron Glenn is the head coach, but Tanner Engstrand is now the offensive coordinator. Let's talk about Tanner Engstrand. I had Sigmund Bloom on the pod. He's very excited about Tanner Engstrand, just because of the best.

the aggressiveness that he could bring. It seems like an inspired hire. You talk about guys with experience. Certainly New York could have had a more experienced offensive coordinator. Instead, they go with Angstrand, who again, coached under Ben Johnson, coached under Dan Campbell in Detroit. They add Justin Fields at quarterback, which adds another layer where we haven't seen this sort of rushing threat in the Dan Campbell era.

that we're going to see with fields. So there's another layer, another element to the, to the, to the, to the team's offense, but Garrett Wilson, Brees Hall, and then a whole lot of nothing in terms of the skill positions, but they did draft Armand Membue on the offensive line. The offensive line is quite good. They invested last year. They had some injuries, but the line was way, way upgraded from two years ago when it was horrific.

If it wasn't for the Giants in 2023, having that worst line like ever, the Jets would have been in the conversation. You're right. That line is good now. It's an above average line. Engstrand is going to have to make it on his own because he can take literally nothing from Ben Johnson to this offense because, A, Jared Gough is a real specific quarterback that has to be managed a real specific way.

Well, he's not Jared Gough. And second thing is the dominant running game that the Lions had where they could, they would mall you over and over and over. They have, again, good players here, but they don't have the DNA in the offensive. of line to match with the Lions at. That Lions line was top three. This is maybe a top 15 line. So Engstrom's going to have to come in here. And he doesn't have Amaran as St. Brown. It's Garrett Wilson, a completely different player. So I don't see anything that can come from Ben Johnson, what he did in Detroit. It doesn't translate here. What if Tanner Engstern is going to be successful,

here's what he has to do. And we don't know if he will. You have to base your offense out of an RPO set. Justin Fields cannot read the entire football field. Everybody knows. that he can read half of the field so you have to fix it for him pre snap you have to either roll him out or you have to design quick plays but you have to use rPO to keep the linebackers on their heels it's a very specific way and justin fields could be a fantasy superman in that system i expect that engstrand will figure that out quickly and that'll be important but understand this none of ben johnson's concept will work in new york yeah i agree with you too to an extent. I think one thing that we'll see from New York is what we saw with Ben Johnson,

the one constant we'll see with Angstrand, is they're going to chase big plays. And when you talk about the RPO, play, you know, play action has been sort of a cheat code for a number of offenses this year. I think when you add in the rushing element of Justin Fields and make it an RPO type offense, now we're talking because that's going to open some plays up downfield. What I'm interested in, could we see some big play opportunities for Brice Hall, who's been sort of a battered asset this season, this offseason in Dynasty and really in redraft. If you're drafting on underdog now like I am,

you occasionally see some fourth round Bruce Hall, which would have been like sacrilege a year ago. But this is a guy that's never had a thousand rushing yards, he has never, but he has never averaged fewer than 15 points per game. Reese Hall has been, last year we saw the explosive element take a step back from what we saw in year one and year two. Huge year for him.

And you have Aaron Glenn with the coach speak saying he wants it to be a three-headed backfield, wants Braylon Allen, wants Isaiah Davis to get touches. But at the end of the day, Jim, when push comes to shove, Brice Hall is just more talented to those guys if he's fully healthy. As you're saying, Bruce Hall has to play markedly better than he did in 2024. none of us could quantify Breast Hall season last year unless you could say

it was the poison of Aaron Rogers. Other than that, he was healthy. That's something he couldn't say about his first two years. And it was his worst season. And so where did it come from? There is no quantifiable way. You mentioned all his yards after contact it's broken attack break.

They went down. They were bad below average. This is not the running back we thought. We thought this was Superman. And we ended up seeing, oh, what happened here? So if it wasn't Aaron Rogers poisoning the team and basically people checking out, I don't have an answer for what happened to Breece Hall. If it was just him, then that's a problem.

Because if that's the running back we're getting this year, then it's going to be a three-headed backfield. Like you, I want to believe that Breeze Hall is coming back. I want to make up a story that makes it sound like it wasn't his fault. But man, he had a lot of opportunities. Again, the fantasy points were getting good because you can catch the ball. That certainly helps. but but I can't rationalize my mind what happened him last year Theo yeah it's super it's a super weird one

and it's a very polarizing player right now I think you're going to find people that view him as a massive valued ADP I think you're also going to view you're going to find some people that are like fully fading him this year this could be the year the wheels fall off I think I'm in in the if he's available in the fourth round I'm going to take some chances especially in a big tournament but when push comes to shoves, if we're talking about like FFPC main events, we're talking about NFFC prime times, big money drafts end of the summer. I don't know if he's a guy that I fully want to embrace this year. I do think that the offseason is going to be telling Jim,

this is a team that has a lot of coverage from the beat reporters. Let's see sort of the way things are shaking out. Are they going to fully embrace a three-headed backfield? I think when it comes to Garrett Wilson, it comes to Justin Fields. I can paint myself a storyline that Wilson's been one of the biggest target earners in the NFL over the last three years, and there's no target competition for him whatsoever. And this is a quarterback in Justin Fields that I think will hyper-target Garrett Wilson. So I think he's an okay value where he's being drafted. Fields, obviously, is a guy that

is one of the better per game running quarterbacks we've ever seen. I believe he's top three in NFL history in rushing yards per game at the quarterback spot. Those two guys are interesting. I think I'm avoiding other jets at this point. definitely an interesting team for us to follow. Go ahead, Jim. Real quick. Now, remember, Justin Fields with DJ Moore two years ago, 1,300, I believe, 66 yards. It was a massive season. Wide receiver six. Yes, and don't think for a minute this won't be the same. But here's the second one I want to point out.

Look, I know Mason Taylor was a second round picking the draft, and I know he's going his tight end 26 in many drafts. Cole Commette had a career year with Justin Fields in 2023, like 719 yards, six touchdown. sounds 90 targets. There is no second receiver like you said earlier. Mason Taylor, if you're in your Superfleck and I mean, in your, your best ball league, I should say, you want to target him as your third tight end because he's going to, he's a pure pass catcher. He's going to see time and Justin Fields can find that tight end. Very interesting call with Mason Taylor. He's certainly a guy who's in an unbelievable situation

in year one in that like there's like this big group of rookie tight ends that all have intriguing attributes, but Mason Taylor is by far the one that has the best chance to be the number two leading receiver on his football team. Very interesting player. John Morton is one where he was under Dan Campbell two seasons ago. We could have thrown him into the discussion with the Josh Grizzard, Kevin Petulow, guys that we think are sort of trying to emulate what you had in last year's offensive coordinator. We'll talk about those guys a little later. But Morton was in Denver for the last two years as the passing game coordinator comes back to Detroit, massive shoes to fill trying to try to replace Ben Johnson, who's been one of the better

offensive coordinators we've seen over the last like 20 years. We're going to talk about Ben Johnson in a minute. But what's interesting when it comes to Morton is, was the two-back approach utilizing two running backs specific to a Ben Johnson, a Dan Campbell, or a little bit of both? could we see Morton shift a little bit more towards utilizing Jamir Gibbs more like a one and Montgomery more like a two than a clear 1A, 1B split? And my other question to you would be,

is there a potential winner from Sam Leporta or James Williams here, where these two guys are sort of, one of the two of them, I think is really going to help fantasy managers, but we want to target the one that we think is going to be the number two leading target earner on the team

and not the number three target earner. So it's really a two-headed question here, Jim. Unpack it as much as you want. So first thing I want to say is this. The Detroit Lions told us through week seven last year who they wanted to be on offense. This is a team with an emerging defense. It was a top 10 type defense.

And then they slowly lost everybody. And but through the first seven weeks, what did we learn? Weeks three through seven specifically, Jared Gough was drawing 25 or fewer passes. Sam Leporta through week seven average 2.8 targets. Weeks three through seven, Jameson Williams, it was about two targets per game. This team, that's their identity. Their defensive players are coming back this year.

They're healthy. Those rookies, they drafted a corner last year during their second year. This team is going to be a top eight defense. They are going to use that offensive line. They are going to run, run, run. Jared Goff, aside from the occasional shootout, is not throwing more than 25 passes in the game. that they taught us last year. David Montgomery, I have to believe, even though we think the cat's out of the bag, Jemir Gibbs was an amazing megastar when he got the role to himself. This team paid David Montgomery.

He's a heart and soul type player for this team. They're both playing. They're playing regularly. I think they're, they don't want to get Gibbs hurt. They had 18 defensive injuries last year. They can't go down that rabbit hole of losing people if they can keep people healthy. So I think this team is going to run, run, run, both running, back are going to be great. Amun Rau St. Brown is going to have his great floor season of 1,200 yards, which is an amazing floor. But outside of that, I don't think there's targets for Leporta. I don't think there's targets for Jameson Williams, not that we could count on a fantasy lineups each week, and we saw that last year. I think there's a chance they're both sub 100 targets.

That's a difficult thing to bet on for those two. With James and Williams, though, I get a discount where Leporta, I have to draft him as the tight end three overall. Jameson Williams, I'm able to get lower than his finish last year. So Williams has been a guy that I've been steaming up a little bit. And we have had this positive coach speak from Morton and from Dan Campbell about how this is a breakout season for Williams, which I think is interesting, Jim, because last year he was what we would view as a breakout season for him in year three. They seem to think there's a little bit more room to run. targets are interesting when it comes to Williams,

but could we see more manufactured touches in addition to like 90 targets? Maybe we see more rushing opportunities for him, a wrinkle there. Definitely an interesting one for Detroit. So you are in on Gibbs at ADP and Montgomery at ADP. Amon Ross seems like he's correctly priced and then a little bit apprehensive about Williams and Leporta.

I think I'll take a bullish Jameson Williams stance just based on I think he's affordable. and I think there's room to run there. Let's talk about, let's talk about, might as well just talk about Ben Johnson now, but let's take a quick break before we do so. All right, so the one we've got to talk about, and this is going to be a storyline all season long, Ben Johnson stayed in Detroit an extra year, could have been a head coach somewhere last year. Instead, stays, had Chicago as a team that he circled apparently as a team who was very intrigued by,

and of course takes the Chicago Bears job. They then draft Luther Burden in the second round after drafting Colston Loveland in the first round, made a bunch of moves on the offensive line. Same thing we saw with Bryce Young a year before. With Caleb Williams, they improved their interior offensive line. They're going to have an improved offensive line in Chicago.

This is a fun one. Chicago has a lot to work with. Ben Johnson, the guy we're really, really betting on. How bullish are you on this offense taking a significant step forward for Ben Johnson in year one? Or is there going to be a little bit of growing pains when it comes to this is a 2026 bet? And let's remind everybody, Ben Johnson is taking over a team that averaged 18.2 points per game last year, which was bottom five in the NFL. So the Chicago offense was beyond broken last year.

the interior offensive line, although not talented, they were not coached to pick what we call a simulated pressure. When teams had sent an undiagnosed defender, he was always in the Chicago backfield at the snap of the ball. They had no concept of how to pick that up. That was the main cause of the doom of Caleb Williams season. He was constantly on the run. Second problem, the offensive play design,

what was their answer? Bubble screens to DJ Moore. Well, the defense already had eight people up. So there was no room for him to run. And even though he had an 85%, percent of all yards after catch. There was no room to run. So Caleb Williams never had a chance.

I give him a complete clean slate this year because none of that is something he could have overcome. Ben Johnson, the only, only question we might have, will it take him time to learn how to optimize Caleb Williams? Remember, he optimized Jared Gough. It's possible as a learning curve. But I think Williams is talented enough where that's not an issue. I think Ben Johnson has been given all.

the ingredients to come out with an outstanding offense. Look, how high were we on Romo Dunes A last year? And then because of the offense, well, guess what? It didn't work out. Not his fault. The Bears have two elite receivers. We love Colson Loveland, who could be weaponized and move all over to formation. The offensive line's good. The running game, hey, right now, DeAndre Swift, they'll get three yards in a cloud of dust. They might get J.K. Dobbins. They might get Nick Chubbin free agency. But right now, I think that passing game is going to cook Theo. I think that with the protection. William's going to extend plays when he needs to. And I think the receivers are certainly going to be his way more weaponized than they were last

year. I am very excited about the bear's passing deck. And I like your call. It could be a 2026 bet. But right now, the defense isn't going to be great. They're going to have to score. And I think they have the pieces in place to do it. Yeah, I'm with you. I want access to this offense. It's interesting where there's three pass catching wide receivers. I think it's okay to sprinkle exposure to all of them. Luther Burden is the cheapest one, but if he can earn that slot role, he's a very interesting bet to make.

Certainly Roma Dunezay could be a post-type sleeper. And D.J. Moore, wide receiver 6, wide receiver 14, him giving you top 15 wide receiver numbers this year, even though, like, I don't think Ben Johnson fully loves DJ Moore. He sort of threw him under the bus a little bit, called him out as like, our wide receivers need to block. I think that was a DJ Moore call out. he's still in a good spot.

And Caleb Williams, they've added so many pieces around him that even if they want to embrace sort of a low A dot, really embrace his accuracy on short throws, they have the personnel to do that. So I think I'm bullish on this offense. The one thing that's super interesting to me and curious your thoughts, you mentioned that this is a team that might air it out. This is another question of mine. When we, I'll try to unpack. This is one thing that I think with Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson. Johnson. The last two years have been so fruitful that they're difficult to kind of separate from one another. Last year, Detroit was actually only passing on 53% of plays, which was very, very low for the NFL.

In 2023, they were passing on 56% of them. So like you said, they went even more run happy in 2024. Is that a Ben Johnson thing or a Dan Campbell thing? I think it might be a little, I think it's a little bit more of a Dan Campbell thing. And I think you could see Detroit being somewhere smack dab in the middle of the NFL in terms of past attempts rather than towards the bottom 10. Bottom 10 teams. Theo, I think it's a Jimere gives a David Montgomery thing and an offensive line thing. And that makes a lot of sense. It's embracing your personnel. And what do smart play callers do, Jim?

They don't try to pigeonhole their scheme. They try to find the best way to utilize their players. That's been proven time and time again. So that's an absolute bar. We're going to have to quote that one on you. But it's a Jemir Gibbs, David Montgomery, and having the best offensive line in the NFL sort of thing. So with Chicago, if you cared to bet on the percentage of passing plays,

and this is a difficult one. And for anybody scoring at home, last year the Cleveland Browns were the most pass happy in the NFL. They had 65% of the plays were past attempts, whereas the bottom was Philadelphia, because of Sequin, Barclay and Jellon Hertz, they were only attempting a pass on 43% of their plays. So Detroit was at 53%, which was 25th.

So towards the bottom of the NFL, where would you care to bet Chicago finishes? Yeah, about 56%. They're not going to be able to run nearly as much as the Lions, unless, again, they significantly add in free agency. Again, I said earlier, there are two good potential free agent running backs out there, but they can't be run heavy at the Andre Swift.

that would be a poor use of the talent they have on their roster. So I'd say about 56%. Definitely top half of the league for sure. One thing I want to point out, I am out on Luther Burden last year because I do believe Ben Johnson has continued to be among the top six teams and using heavy personnel. What that means is they only have a third receiver on the field 55% of the time. Other teams will have their third receiver out there upwards of 65, 70% of the time.

Burden's the clear number three in this one. And if he's going to be in a snap shot, squeeze. And the other thing is, I believe that both DJ Moore and Romo Dunezay can be elite NFL receivers who are going to command targets. I think between the loss of snaps and burden having to defer as a third option, I think that even at wide receiver 48 or wherever he's going, I think that's still overpriced. Yeah, he's an interesting one. And we'll just sort of butt heads on this one to be continued. Luther Burton, I think, is just worth the shot because you say wide receiver 48 is a little bit high for you. But for me, it's if things

shift towards him in the usage, he can end up being a big payoff type. And what's interesting is the slot-wide receiver role has been such a, really a fantasy football ATM machine when it's associated with a Ben Johnson. And I know, Jim, I'm on Ross St. Brown. You or I could be his offensive coordinator and the guy would produce numbers. But Ben Johnson was also in Miami when Jarvis Landry led the NFL in receptions. And Luther Burden is a guy he's called a stud, a guy that he really seems to be excited about. Luther burden is definitely one where there's risk and reward with drafting them

his current price tag, but I will absolutely take some shots. Let's talk about Kellyn Moore. Kellyn Moore takes over a difficult situation in New Orleans. What are your vibes here? And is there a chance that we could see ADP wins coming from? It's pretty much every year, Jim. We can do a whole show about this. Battered offenses can oftentimes produce ADP wins because the marketplace will push

multiple players down. Specifically with New Orleans, Alvin Kamara, last year averaged 19 points per game. Certainly it's going to be a tougher put with Tyler Shuck at behind center or maybe even Spencer Rattler. But Kellen Moore has been a guy

that we would say is a plus play caller over the years. But what's more interesting to me is Chris Alave and Rashid Shaheed. A lack of target competition, both of these guys are sort of free square plays for you. You're not having to use. use excessive draft capital on Alave like we were for the previous two years. And Shaheed is completely buried right now.

Your thoughts on trying to extract ADP value for New Orleans, even though we think this is going to be an offense that might have trouble scoring at times. Yeah, it's a bad situation, like you said, because of the quarterback. Really, Tyler Shuck, man, good luck. I mean, I'm not excited. I mean, I think he has a lot of talent and skill. But, I mean, he's a 26-year-old quarterback last year, 25-year-old.

playing a man against boys and he figured things out. So there's that. But I really am, I feel bad for Kellynne Moore. He's in a bad spot because Chris Olavai, I think is the winner here. And Derek Carr, look, he would throw what I call medicine balls. Both the concussions that Olavis suffered were because Derek Carr led him into a defender and let him get rocked. And me, that's like Jimmy Garoppolo stuff, getting George Kiddler hurt back in the day.

At least I hope Tyler Shuck can make professional throws that don't get his receiver hurt. because Chris Olavay should not have had either of those concussions. So that said, we can't predict concussions or can we fade them. I think Olavi, whenever he gets six targets a game, Theo, it's only been a couple games in his career that he hasn't had 80 yards in those games with six or more targets. He has an amazing NFL receiver. And I believe Shuck, and that's who I expect to be to start. I believe he will lean heavily on Olave.

And Olave going around, what, is it a wide receiver? 30-ish. Yeah. Steel, steal, steal, all day long. Look, if you're worried about the concussions, fade him. I'm not going to take this. I'm going after him aggressively. Shaheed coming back from a very serious knee injury.

I don't know what to make of that. And I don't know how Shuck will do on the downfield passes, assuming Shahid even gets back. That worries me. It was, Shaheed was a certain type of player. And if he loses anything from that injury this year, it would be a real problem. Yeah. And when we look at Kellyn Moore offenses, it's been wide receiver cheat code ADP numbers. Keenan Allen

under Kellyn Moore was fantastic two seasons ago in L.A. And obviously, C.D. Lamb, Ascension in Dallas, you know, last year they weren't passing a lot. But A.J. Brown was still very, very, very productive on a per game basis. I still average 16 and a half points per game. So pretty much every single season with Kellyn Moore, we've seen wide receivers either hit their number or exceed their ADP number. I think a lobby is a really good bet right now. what's interesting, Jim, is the team extended Alave. We don't have any contract situation hanging over his head.

They've embraced him. This is a guy that they could have moved. And New Orleans could have, like, they're a weird team because the season seems to be like completely falling out from under them. But at least internally, I think the vibes are a little bit better than we might think. They have at least some strong offensive linemen there. They've drafted players on that O line in consecutive drafts. Kelvin Banks this year. This is the second year in a row, they've drafted an offensive tackle inside of like the top 12 picks. So there's some talent on that O line. If they, if we can get a

Tyler Shuck hyper-targeting Chris Olbe, as you think he will, he could definitely provide some big ADP wins. On the flip side here, New Orleans is an offense that drafters are pretty much ignoring, but Vegas is an offense that drafters are embracing. And that's because Ashton Genty is going off the board as the RB4 overall, and that's on top of Brock Bowers being drafted as the tight end one overall. So when you're talking about underdog, you're talking about two players who were steamed up. If you're talking about FFPC, you're talking about two of the top eight picks coming from the Vegas Raiders. I mean, this is something we haven't seen in the last few years where drafters excessively targeting Vegas Raiders. Certainly Devante Adams had his moments there.

but let's unpack this. Chip Kelly, this was a guy that years ago was sort of like, for a brief period of time, this guy was like a Ben Johnson. This guy was innovative. He was running the fastest pace offense in football. This is a guy that had Michael Vic in Philadelphia. They were putting up video game like numbers. Then it came all crashing down towards the end of Chip Kelly in the NFL, sort of reinvented

himself in college, goes to UCLA, has some success there. but really it was last year at Ohio State where led the Buckeyes to the national championship was fantastic as a signal caller. And Jim, sort of a rule in football, if your entire fan base is brokenhearted that you're leaving, it's usually a good sign that you know what you're doing. And Buckeyes fans to a T were devastated to lose Chip Kelly. Your thoughts on how he can do in Vegas attached to Pete Carroll, there's some real talent on this Vegas offense. Gino Smith, they acquire as a quarterback.

Big changes here, but I'd say a functional offensive line. Brock Bowers is fantastic. Now you add in Smith, Gentie, Jack Betch to compliment Jacoby Myers. There's some players here in Vegas. They lack a vertical element to the offense. And that is always problematic because what do defense is doing you don't have a vertical element? Well, they could pack more body.

in the short and intermediate area and make you sweat a little bit. Now, that said, they do have skill position players who should be able to thrive. I think Jacoby Myers is a screaming value. He's going to get plenty of targets here. Brock Bowers, I'd rather have Trey McBride. You look at their numbers last year? They were the same. McBride missed the game.

Yeah. He missed one game. They were the same. The touchdowns were two and six or two and five. Touchdowns are fickle. I can't predict those year to year. They were the same player. I can get McBride around later.

So give me the one round value on McBride, but you're fine if you go of Bowers, it's fine. if you go with them, but just if you get the same guy around later, you know, that's like an all day long thing for me. But he'll be just fine. So yeah, and I think all that said, all these guys are going to catch a lot of passes. And for fantasy, I think it's going to be great for the two for Myers. We'll see how best goes in. I don't know how different Bess is than Myers and that they're both going to work short and intermediate. And I think Jacobi Myers is maybe much more apt to drawing the confidence of Gino Smith because he is an Uber professional route runner. and he is always where he's supposed to be. So I think he is going to command a lot of those targets.

And Bech might take a little longer because that redundancy to see that. But of course, you know, he loved Genting to three-down roll. Chip Kelly, look, fortunately, this is going to be a very basic offense, which will work because same knock I have on him his first time around. Yeah, he caught the league off guard with the fast tempo play. But once the league made an adjustment to him, like I said, all these college coaches, they have no answer. Remember, Chip Kelly resurface in San Francisco.

Same thing. no answers. So he goes to college and he's great. Beautiful. Your players are better than their players. Your scheme is better than theirs. You can go golf all week in college if you have a team that wins and it's going to just roll it back every week and you win. Well, in the NFL, first half of the first game, there's adjustments made. Chip Kelly has never proven he can make an adjustment of this magnitude. So again, these fantasy guys, I think the ones I mentioned are fine, but it's not going to be because of Chip Kelly. It's because they have some real professional players on that offense. And your expectation for Ashton Genti, specifically to the sort of volume he could see,

is this a player who in year one could end up potentially leading the NFL in touches from the running back position? And I'll say 21 years old has been absolute gold when we're talking about top 10 type picks. Sequin Barkley had his running back one overall season. Zeke Elliott gave you north of 20 points as a 21 year old. Now you've got Gentie. Are drafters correct to push him up this highly ahead of guys like Devon A-chan, ahead of a number of wide receivers that we were put in the mix for chasing that wide receiver one overall finish?

Where you out on Genty at his inflated price tag? I think Genty is priced perfectly. I don't think he has running back one overall upside because this offense is going to score a ton of points. That's right. You're going to be on offense like Berkeley where they're scored 29 points a game. you know, and even if Bajon Robinson's team, the Falcons don't score that many, it's going to be, you know,

we've already seen the role he has in that offense. I think overall, Gentis have an enormous floor, enormous. I don't think we're going to get the spike weeks you want because I think the Raiders have a lot of weeks where they're scoring 19, 22 points, and I think that makes a difference. I think it's a little micro thing.

I don't think you fade Genti. You don't fade them at all at that price. If you want your running back at running back four, I think you go all over and say, I've got a great floor play and I got great ceiling. but I don't need the running back one. I just need the running back four. And I think he gets you that.

I think what's interesting about Gentie is if he's going to run up to running back one overall numbers, then he's going to exceed our expectations as a pass catcher. I think that him just being on the field, he's a good enough pass catcher that Jim, he's going to be an every down player. There's no number three back there that's going to siphon off so many targets. Like Gentie can roll out of bed and catch 50 passes next year? It's can he get to like that 68, 65 to 68 range, just by, by the offense sort of falling into play where they're targeting him just a bit more than we're

projecting. That's the pathway for him to catch Bijan, to catch Jemir Gibbs and potentially catch Sequin Barclay. He is a home run hitter, though, Jim. He'll also have those big long runs as well. Your thoughts. Yeah, Theo, one thing I want to say, I don't think Genti has that type of receiving ceiling because look at the receivers. Brock Bowler short. Jacoby Meyer short. well, I'd rather throw the ball short to a wide receiver or tight end than short to a running back. You're going to have Bowers there. I think there's a lot of, and not all offenses, but in some, tight end and running back targets are a little redundant.

They can be. They're different plays, but they're basically short escape route plays. I'd rather escape route to Brock Bowers. So I think that's the problem we're going to have. I think we're in Gentis capable of 70 catches, but I think that with the best receiver in a team being short guys, short field guys, then I don't think they need to throw it to Genty there. I think Gino Smith is going to prefer to have it five yards on field, seven yards on field. And let's talk about Gino.

Gino is a guy that the market is sort of forgetting. We like players in the offense, but Gino's not a guy who anybody's really embracing. He's being drafted as quarterback 25, which is far lower than his finish any season in Seattle. Do you think there's a little bit of validity? And we can skip redraft here because in redraft, I mean, is Gino going to give you a big enough number to make a difference? I don't think so. But certainly on like underdog,

Gino to me is sort of a screaming value. And if you're in a superflex dynasty startup, I think he's a really strong value if you want to wait on quarterback. Because again, we have contract insulation. And there's good players around him in Vegas. Your thoughts on Gino, is he just a game manager in this offense? or is he a guy that could finish with top 15 numbers yet again? Gino has slowly eroded away since that 20,

22 career year. And he went from 30 touchdowns and 11 picks. And then in 20, 23, 30 touchdowns became 20. Then he had nine picks. Last year, 20 touchdowns, 21 again, 15 picks. He's slowly turning into the ordinary quarterback. We kind of have seen he's been in the league since 2013. but he has that one big year in 2020,

and that was the only big year he's had. So other than that, he has one year with over 21 touchdowns. So this is not the magic antidote. For like I said, powers for PPR, Jacoby Myers for PPR, beautiful, beautiful.

This team's not scoring a lot of points. This team is going to be bottom having league in points scored. Therefore, I'm not buying their quarterback. Well, one coordinator we have not talked about as a head coach. Brian Schottenheimer was a shock higher last offseason. not a guy that we predicted to be the Dallas Cowboys next head coach, but here we are, Jim,

and we're going to unpack Schottenheimer and how this Dallas Cowboys offense is going to look after this. All right, Jim, let's talk about them Cowboys. This is an interesting team. Didn't do a whole lot at the running back position this offseason. CD Lamb is now joined by George Pickens in the past game. Dak Prescott is back this year. This team, I think, is going to be pass happy. What are your vibes with the Dallas Cowboys offense?

is this an underrated offense? And could we see a return of C.D. Lamb towards wide receiver one overall finish? And is George Pickens going to have himself a year as the wide receiver two? Yeah. A, Brian Schottenheimer will get credit for this offense being great, but he'll have nothing to do with it. It'll be the offensive players they have. And it's going to be great for fantasy, I think. The offensive line's not great.

And I do think Schottenheimer, we don't know what his personal tendencies are because it's been a long time since he's really been behind an offense. So that said, I believe they're going to run an extra tight end on the field. They have the personnel in the roster to do that. They're going to give Dak a little extra protection. The running backs I'm not sold than any of them. Jane Blue might be nice, but this is not going to be a sustaining running game, but that's good for fantasy because Dak Prescott,

remember the Steele, in the last three even numbered years, 20, 24, 22, and 20. Dak Prescott was quarterback two, quarterback three, and quarterback seven. He's been there. He's done that. going to be there and do that again this year. And very excited about it. I think it was the odd number of years.

I think I misspoke that was 21, 23 and 19 anyway. That's neither here nor there. But yes, George Pickens opens up the offense. That's huge because C.D. Lambe should have more room underneath because Pickens lock it by his safety. Pickens will get his. Lamb will get his. Jake Ferguson, not the ideal number two target that he was before.

But we know Dak Prescott has a long history of leaning on his tight ends. and look last year Ferguson at three games over 70 yards with DAC in seven games. All three of those guys are guys you want to bet on in fantasy. Dak you want to bet on a fantasy. The defense won't be as great as we'd like it to be. They're going to score points. And it's going to be the players, not the coach getting it done. Yeah, Dax is screaming value.

And his ADP is corrected. But before the pickens trade, he was down at like quarterback 19. Now he's knocking on the door of quarterback one land. But you could still usually get him as a high. N QB2. CD Lamb is amazing. We saw him have 181 target season in 2023. And even last year with

Cooper Rush as a starting quarterback, he was still giving you like 17 and a half points per game. There's an outside chance, Jim. We haven't seen a 200 target player since when was the last 200 target season in the NFL? Like Julio Jones in 2015 was the last 200 target player. There is a chance you could see that from CD Lamb if they fully embrace the pass. I think George Pickens is very interesting. There's a lot of pressure on Pickens this year to get

himself that second contract. And George Pickens right now is a, it's a really, I think, solid value at ADP. He's going off the board right around wide receiver 29. He's going to be the secondary target. I think Ferguson is the number three target. You know that Dax's going to target the tight end in the red zone. But picket, Pickens as a secondary target. What's interesting is you could make an argument that the number two target in the passing game is the number two option on offense. I think the running backs is going to be functional.

And they're going to scheme up George Pickens to get him involved early, take some pressure off a lamb. And they really complement each other very well, Pickens and Lamb. So I think I'm fully with you, Jim. And the 200 target seasons, like you said, Julio Jones, 203 and 2015, Calvin Johnson, in 2012 and Marvin Harrison in 2002, the only three on record. CD Lamb could flirt with that, though. We are due for one of those.

We're absolutely due for one of those. And Lamb is as good a bet as any. Really, really crazy to think that that number has held up so much, Jim. It's been, we've been really sort of chasing it. Justin Jefferson had 184. Michael Thomas had 185. Cooper Cup in 2021 had 191. DeAndre Hopkins had 192 in 2015.

It's just such a difficult number to overcome. Even with the 17th game, it just hasn't been emulated. So we're rooting for it. We love that sort of thing. Hey, Jim, how about three players get 200 targets this year? We would love that sort of thing. Let's talk about the two coordinators that we really don't need to spend a whole lot of time about. We're talking about Josh Grizzard, who it seems like they're chasing.

In Tampa Bay, they have a very good thing working. They average 29 points per game last year. the year before they had a strong offense as well. This has been a team that has been in the playoffs consecutive seasons under Baker Mayfield. This year they go ahead and they re-signed Chris Godwin. They draft a Mecca Egg Buka. The show must go on in Tampa Bay.

Josh Grizzard just, he can't screw this thing up, can he? I don't think so because Baker Mayfield, and you heard me mention this earlier in the show, I believe we have criminally underrated Baker Mayfield because of a couple of seasons that were beyond his control. otherwise he has been a good quarterback. And he has, let me say he has a line, he has receivers, he has a running back. Everything is in place.

The defense is going to give up plenty of points. So, yeah, I don't think Grizzard could mess this up. I think basically his players will make sure it works because Mayfield has a connection with Evans. He has a connection with Godwin. And so that said, I think it's, it doesn't matter. I just don't think it matters at this point. Yeah, Grizzard, we don't need to spend much time on.

I think it's going to look a lot the same. the only thing that I think is going to be interesting is Chris Godwin, I think we'll have to play a little bit more on the outside to get a meca, Agbuka on the field where Godwin last year we saw this big step forward in his fantasy production playing the slot predominantly. Does he go back to a little bit more 2023 usage? Do you have any sort of lean there, Jim, about where you think Godwin's going to get lined up? Because if you tell me Godwin's going to have the exact same slot usage as last year,

I'll say, okay, I'm in on Godwin. If you tell me he's bumping out to the outside, I might be a little bit apprehensive to draft him this current ADP. It goes back to Jarvis Landry that Baker Mayfield has done really well with a slot receivers. And I believe this is what my gut tells me. Look, this new coach is coming in Josh Grizzard.

I know he's with the team last year. But I think the veterans are going to speak on this. I think the veterans when they were team meetings, I think Baker Mayfield is going to make it a point that Chris Godwin's in the slot one need. I believe that they're going to push this because they know how good their offense is. You can't just move Godwin to let the new young man at Bucca walk into a spot. They'll put the young guys McMillan and Ibuka where Godwin isn't.

I don't think they're going to mess with Godwin at all because they know Chris Godwin. They know he's a superstar player. It's had some bad injury luck. They can't put Chris, Chris Godwin at a disadvantage because it would hurt their entire team if they did that. Yeah, you're probably correct on that. And I think Bucky Irving is a fine value where he's going at ADP. early third round pick right now in most formats. We saw last year, Liam Cohen embraced this where Irving takes a big step forward,

Rashad White takes a step back. White is still a good past catching back. But Jim, I think that if Irving can cut into that past catching role even more, and they embrace him a little bit more because I have to remember, Bucky Irving led the nation in running back receptions while in college. Last year was very, very good as a receiver, very, very efficient. and adds that explosive dynamic element, he can end up beating his current ADP

and providing some high-end numbers, giving you almost a one-two-turn-type scoring numbers. Your thoughts on Bucky? First, I want to speak to Rashad, White, which he talked about. In week 17, 18 in the wild card game, White was pretty much phased out. He averaged 20 snaps, which was fine.

He averaged two rushes, one catch, and 16 yards. If that was the point where it was fully Bucky Irving, backfield. And I think in that one of those games, Irving, he missed a few snaps. He had to come off the field. So White wasn't used that much. So as of right now, we have no reason to expect that Bucking is not going to be a full-time three-downback unless they decide to scale back for durability concerns. But I don't think that's going to happen. I think that, like you said, he is a great value where he's at. The only thing with Bucking Irving is the fear of the unknown. It was a perfect storm in Tampa's offense last year. Everything worked perfectly.

We know Godwin and Evans are megastars. We know Baker May feels very good. But if the whole perfect storm helped Bucky Irving get to where he's at and the perfect storm doesn't quite hit, remember, we were not regarding Bucky Irving as his world changing running back coming out of college. And he had a world breaking season last year. I'm just saying this. I think there's unrealized risk at his ADP.

I'm not saying avoid him because of that. Just don't be surprised if, oh, he's good, but he's human this year. Yeah, definitely an interesting one to monitor. And another interesting one to monitor is the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. They lose Kellyn Moore. Kellen Moore absolutely did what he showed up to do. He fixed the offense, won the Super Bowl.

And now you see Kevin Petullo being promoted. This is a guy where two years ago, we probably wouldn't even know who the guy was. But he actually has a long-term history of being attached to, Nick Siriani. He's been in Philadelphia for a number of years now, was in Indianapolis beforehand, was the past game specialist in Indianapolis, wide receivers coach in Indianapolis, comes over to Philly, passing game coordinator. And then last year was elevated to associate head coach and past game coordinator. So this is a guy that obviously Nick Siriani has a great deal of familiarity with. Anything to think that we're going to see anything

different in Philly or is this sort of, hey, you know the script. Let's do the exact same thing that won us to Super Bowl. And I think that's the point you make in your last words. Kevin Petulow, in my mind, that's no serious NFL experience. He has all these jobs. I get it. No, he hasn't called plays. He hasn't really run an offense.

But he does it. Who cares? You got a great offensive line. You got Sacon Parkley. You've got Devante Smith and you've got A.J. Brown and you got a quarterback. So there's not much to worry about here. You don't have to get too creative. Your players are better than the opponent's players,

and you don't really have to put a whole lot into it. So I think it doesn't matter. I think the offense will be just fine regardless of coach. The one offensive coordinator that we didn't talk about, we completely forgot about, was Josh McDaniels, which is an interesting one because Mike Vrable back in New England. Now you get Josh McDaniels also back in New England, had the most success of his career as the offense coordinator in New England,

has a bona fide potential star in Drake May. And Drake May obviously had to deal with awful offensive line play last year, but showed enough as a runner and as a passer to give you that sort of two-way ability where you squint and see fantasy football success. They add Stefan Diggs, add Kyle Williams, draft Travion Henderson, and attempted to improve this offensive line. Drafted Will Campbell in round one, Jared Wilson, the center out of Georgia, and round three. Your thoughts on Josh McDaniel and what we could see out of this Patriots offense,

any potential players to target in fantasy for you, Jim? I think it's a great coaching move for Drake May. If we've learned something about Josh McDaniels, we know he's going to use a lot of two tight-end sets, give his quarterback protection, use some play action, try to scheme up some scheme throws. And I think this is going to help the progression of his young quarterback, Drake May. However, I am concerned with the receivers. We love Stefan Diggs, but he's coming up a mid-season ACL, and he's in his 30s now. That's not a good recipe for being great. And then Diggs is ticketed for the slot.

Well, DeMario Douglas is a slot, so DeMario Douglas is out of a job, but he's probably their second best receiver. Now we like Kyle William Sue. We certainly, I think he's, I think he's a player that would be better in year or two than in year one. I think he's a player. He's a little bit of development. He will be good. So I think for the Patriots, it's a building. year, but it's a real positive for them.

And Drake May is going to have a few good fantasy games. I just don't think we're going to be able to count on these players for big fantasy production week and week out. You said with another team earlier. Maybe there's more of a 2026 look. Yeah, they're an interesting team. We really like the talent of Drake May. I know the Chris Weck, who does our projections at fantasy points, has him significantly

lower than his current ADP price tag at FFPC and underdog price tag. price tag would demonstrate. Travion Henderson is interesting to me, just because like you said, you have apprehension about the wide receivers there. I think if you just start looking at trying to find a dynamic playmaker in the offense, a guy who can utilize his yak ability as a receiver and also gives you much more of a home run hitting ability that a guy like Romandre Stevenson does, Trayvion Henderson, I think he's priced fine. I think he could end up giving us mid-RB2 numbers and you're able to get him sort of in that range. This is not an offense that I'm looking to fully embrace either, Jim.

I think that there's better bets to be made, but Trayvon Henderson would be the one that I like. Your quick thoughts on Henderson and ADP. The only concern is, Remandre Stevenson's in a year or two of a deal that pays him starter money. He's 227 pounds where Trayvion on Henderson is 202 pounds. If you're looking at this, they could start out camp saying, Stevenson, you're our early down grinder and Henderson,

you're our change of pace and receiving back. And if Stevenson doesn't fumble the ball, if he fumbled seven times less or didn't lose him all, if he doesn't fumble the ball and he's good in that role, they're paying him starter money. Like I said, that could be something to watch out for. If Stevenson obviously doesn't get that role,

then Henderson's graded ADP, but I am very nervous about Stevenson until he starts fumbling. Yeah. You've got a couple of these situations with the rookie running backs where there's going to be an annoying veteran presence. And can these guys overcome these veterans in order to sort of ascend? You're going to see it with Omari and Hampton, with Najee Harris around. Hampton is still, I think, a very strong bet. But I think that first six weeks could be very annoying.

And certainly with Caleb Johnson, with Jalen Warren hanging around, that could be an annoying one as well. So we'll see which way it shakes out. but I do think Stevenson's presence is reflected in Henderson's price tag. So I think that, again, you could be right about Stevenson and I could be right about Henderson at the same time. Jim, let's do a fun exercise here. Which three of these offensive coordinators are you most excited about? And take this question any way you want. Give me the three that you, you know, whether it's for the storylines, the vibes or the success

on the field, three guys that you have circled, you're really excited to follow what happens with these offenses this season. Obviously, even though as the head coach, Ben Johnson, we talked about him as an offensive coordinator, which he is, I am the most excited there because this is a true opportunity for him to make something big happen. In terms of a second one, I guess maybe Grizzard. And we said, I don't think he'll do much there. But I think given the players he has, whatever they do will be attached to him.

So I think I'm excited to see that he'd keep the train on the tracks, that he doesn't mess it up, basically. And then probably the third most excited one, I am, maybe Clint Kubiak, just to see if he could recreate some of that early season magic he had with the Saints. I love that. And for me, it's Ben Johnson easily. It's one of the best storylines for us in fantasy football.

Is Ben Johnson truly the chosen one? Is he a guy that can elevate a second offense to the levels we saw in Detroit? And so many fantasy football ramifications, whether it's dynasty, redraft, best ball, can Caleb Williams take that next step under Ben Johnson? can these wide receivers produce? Is Colston Loveland going to be like the next Sam Leporta? So much to sort of unpack there. I think for me, number two is Chip Kelly.

What is the final arc to Chip Kelly's career? Goes from Innovator to college coach, like innovative offensive coach at Oregon as a young collegiate coach, then gets the NFL head coaching job is fantastic in terms of fantasy football success, then has this big fall from grace, reinvents himself. What does the final chapter look like?

And when you factor in Ashton Gentie and Brock Bauer's inflated ADP price tags, I'm very bullish and very excited about this. We haven't seen a winning team yet in Vegas. I think that town would absolutely go crazy this year if the Raiders really take a big step forward, excited to see that one. And then number three for me is probably Clint Kubiak as well. I think he's really smart. I think he could be the next Shanahan.

McVeigh disciple where we say, you know what? The Seattle team is actually really, really, really fun and really, really fun for fantasy. And Jim Coventry, you were really fun for Fantasy Football Daily today. Absolutely crushed it. Let everybody know once again where they can find your work. Yeah, just catch me over on the X at Jim Coventry NFL and then all the work I do is kind of shown there. Yeah, and make sure you're tuning into all of our podcasts over here at Fantasy Points.

Jagger May is going to be joining me on Fantasy Football Daily a little later in the week. Ben Gretch is joining me on Dynasty Life. And then we've got a lot of cool stuff planned on School of Scott. Scott Barrett and I have a number of very fun guests plan for June. And I'm going to be breaking down some of our strength of schedule data with Ryan Heath over at School of Scott this week as well. We'll see you soon.