Fantasy Football Daily - 2025 Fantasy Football Sleepers & Hidden ADP Gems w/ Ray Garvin

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

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What does this specifically do for Robinson? A lot of the talk today and we'll get to it is on the Washington backfield. But you sort of like this for B. Rob. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. I think the first thing that you have to just wrap your mind around is he's no longer one of the starting 32. for the entire summer draft process, whether how high or low you were on him, you factored him in as he was a starting running back, right? He was one of the starting 32 running backs in the NFL, but that's over.

So he lands in a situation now where I don't think it could be more clear what his role could be when it actually happens. Like, I know a lot of people were thinking about Miami. Offensive line is bad, and Brian Robinson ain't a make you miss kind of guy. So even there, I think he would have competed with these touches with Ali. there's no competition. Christian McCaffrey's the RB1. He's the starter.

He's the guy. But in an offense right now, Theo, where they are starved, past catchers, they just want somebody healthy. Is there a world where we can't envision where CMC is still ultra-awesome force in fantasy football? He's efficient. He's that receiving PPR monster. But they just don't abuse him between the 20s as much.

Like, let's use this guy, kind of another version of Jordan Mason, and CMC, the offense still flows through you, but we get it to you in all the most efficient ways possible. You're going to have, you know, those adventitious rushing situations. You're going to be the pass down back. Like we're just not going to abuse a guy coming off of a season where he couldn't stay healthy because of the calf Achilles tendon.

I just think that for BROB to land as a backup somewhere, this is the spot I want. And if and when, knock on wood, because we never hope for injuries, something were to happen to McCaffrey, I do think you've got a running back that you would just plug right into your lineup and you'd start weekly. Yeah, and B-Rob's also a okay opportunistic pass catcher. So like if McAfrey missed time, I think Brian Robinson goes right into the lineup.

I also think like we talked about this in the pre-show. They don't trust Garendo. And there's a lot of Garendo truthers out there. And he's extreme athlete. I get it. He had production last year. But if you look at how much time he missed dating back to his days at Wisconsin, dating back to just how much practice time,

how much time in preseason training camp he's missed over the last two seasons. It's a lot. And San Francisco still has Super Bowl aspirations. I like your take with Robinson. This is also just a great landing spot for Robinson heading into a contract season. If he gets four starts this year or he gets a role, like you said, where it's maybe just 10 touches a game, teams are going to look at him as a viable option heading into next offseason.

I love that one. Very, very interesting. we got to talk about Washington, though. Washington, Adam Peters is going full on Billy Bean. He's moneyballing the running back position this year. Jacori Kroski Merritt has been a player that I've been talking about for months. They called me a crazy person. They called me a madman.

They called me a madman, Ray, when I said that this Brian Robinson thing was going to happen. But I don't think they make this move without Jacori Kroski Merit being a guy who's really impressed them in just basically since the Shrine Bowl when he was the MVP of that game. And then you also factor in Chris Rodriguez has had a strong camp. They seem to like him, but another seventh round picks. So two seventh round picks. And then you factor in 30-year-old Austin Echler, Debo Samuel on manufactured rushing plays from the wide receiver position. And Jaden Daniels can lead the NFL in rushing yards from the quarterback spot this year. Who's the winner in this backfield?

If you're drafting a commander's running back, who is it, Ray? This is a loaded damn question. The other way you frame. this is so loaded. I mean, of course, Kroski Merritt has to be a winner. He has to be a winner because they don't make this move if they don't have their confidence, have confidence in him as a part of this backfield. But you know what, Theo, as is Chris Rodriguez and Austin Echler. I think for them individually getting Brian Robinson's 150 plus opportunities out of the way, absolutely add some more opportunity or expected opportunity for Kroski Merritt and Robert Regis in particular.

What I'm not expecting to happen is Austin Echler start to get a bigger share of the workload. I just at his age, his inability to stay healthy for full seasons. I still think they want to do that. Like he's going to be used in his pass-down role way, and I don't expect a bunch more volume to go to Echler's way. Jaden Daniels, maybe he steps up his rushing attempts this year in year two, but it's really between Kroski Merritt and Chris Rodriguez and which side of the coin or fence you stand on with that one.

And right now I do think the young rookie is probably the one that's giving them a little more confidence, but I'm tempering the early expectation. I don't think they just give it to them out of the gate. I don't think they turn around and say, you're our 20 plus touch guy out the gate. But I do think they feel confident enough to give him meaningful opportunity, Theo. I mean, I'll let you tell me how high it is to draft him. But you know what I want. Let me tell you what I want at the end of the day.

I want pieces of good offenses. This should be a much improved offense. year bringing in Laramie Tunsell, drafting Josh Connerly. I know there's growth that has to happen there, but this should be an improved offense. I want pieces of good offenses, man. Yeah, no, I'm completely with you. And I think you're right that, like, out of the gate, I think it's going to be Rodriguez is going to get that veterans deference.

He's going to get some into the mix. Echler, again, like, I think his role is very static. And certainly like, JCM, we don't have the sample size of him catching a ton of passes. That could just be an indictment on the teams he was on. it would have been interesting. You know, he was supposed to go to Ole Miss for like a couple of days. It would have been interesting to see him in Elaine Kiffin offense. And maybe he wouldn't have been available in the seventh round.

But that's just how it goes in college football these days. I think Kroski Merritt, if we get through like the beginning of the season, maybe three weeks in, you're going to see him start to get to an uptick. Rodriguez, everybody loved like seems to like him organizationally. Eric B. Enemy loved Chris Rodriguez, a guy who just doesn't lose yardage, tough runner, gets the tough. like yards, but at the end of the day, we haven't seen him do a thing in two years as a pro. So I think that that ship will sail.

I think Jacori-Kroski Merritt is going to end up being somewhere in that high-end RB3 roll at some point. Okay. So I'll go a little OTC with you. And we'll see kind of where you're at for this one, because this is going around X today. Let's say Jacori-K. Marit or J.K. Dobbins. You're on the clock.

Who you taking? I'd say, Kurosky Merit. Okay. Jacori Kroski Merritt or Travis E.TN. I'm a little higher on E.TN than most. So I think I would take E.TN there. Here's the one that's that's really going around. And I'm absolutely not on JCP in this one.

JCP and Zach Charbonnet. Oh, I would take Charbonnet. Me too. I think I would take Charbonnet over ETA and everyone. Yeah, I would take Charbonnet. I'm in on Sharb's. Yeah, me, I'm very. much in on Charbonnet. I've talked about him. I think he's the best handcuff in football. And also

if Walker misses time, Charbonnet's ceiling is so much higher than Jacori Kroski merits, even if he wins the job. I think like Zach Sharbonet, you're talking about 18 points per game or something like that. Let's pivot real quick. What's your Debo vibes this year? I'm just curious, because he becomes a little bit more interesting to me as a guy with McLaurin's missed all this time in the preseason. Who knows what's going to happen there? I still think both sides will reach an agreement. There's been some rumors Pittsburgh and other teams still trying to trade for McLaren. I personally believe he'll be a commander this year. But he misses a ton of time. The vibes are good with Debo. What are the vibes with Debo from Ray Garvin right now?

I've been in on Debo all off season. I've got no issue with him. You know, when I'm not talking dynasty fantasy football. I'm not talking long term value for this upcoming 2025 season. I feel great. I really do, Theo. I try to follow the money. Pay attention to what teams are telling you. They tell you a lot. And they made it a priority go get Debo early. He's been a part of the whole offseason program. It wasn't like the 49ers got fed up with him through training camp and shipped him off. Like he's been a part of this, this structure, right? Learning Cliff Kingsbury's offense. And even in limited duty, they're using him in ways that we saw Debo score us in elite 20 plus point per game outcome season. Running the ball. Do I expect him to be young 49ers

version of Debo? No, but when that big boy's going downhill in that offense with Jaden Daniels, freezing linebackers occupying safeties with his ability to run and throw, I think we could see a resurgence of Debo Samuel here in 2025. Again, I'm not talking about what he's going to be in 27, 28, but this season, the vibes for me with Debo and the fact that McLaren hasn't been there, I feel real good about him, man. Yeah, and like you said, it's going to be an offense that we think is going to score a lot of points. And Debo, the Debo, the, Debo, the, Debo, getting the Debo rushing attempts like we saw in San Francisco was something they tried to like hide. I feel like for a lot of the preseason, we saw it in the game in the, the preseason

game against Cincinnati the other day. Debo looked really, really good on that single carry. And I think we'll see those a little bit more often. And one thing that was interesting to me is, is Dan Quinn talking about how we do things sort of in unique ways. That sort of screams Debo for me. And if we go back to Cliff Kingsbury, he loves those guys who can, you know, do it with Yak ability, those low-aid outlooks around the line of scrimmage. So I'm in on Debo. I'm completely with you. I think like if you're stuck at wide receiver,

you're looking for a wide receiver three, a flex, very viable. And again, we're getting access to a great offense, a great way to build some correlation if you want to stack Jaden Daniels in a much cheaper way than with Terry McLorren. Well, and Theo, he is one of those guys

where he does have one of those truly elite range of outcome weekly ceilings. You can't say that about every wide. Some wide receiver threes are just that. Hey, they're not going to bust for you, but you're probably not getting a multi-touchdown 100 plus yard week. They're just safe wide receiver three. Debo is capable of putting up one of those monster weeks, right? Those sort of week-winning weeks.

He's got one of those, one or two of those every season still in them, you know? Yeah, 100% agree with you. It's just the narratives are just great right now with Debo. And I think that the, like, people love to kind of make fun of Debo on X and stuff like that like the outside thoughts on Debo versus organizationally whether it's the beat reporters whether it's his teammates the coaching staff are so far away from one another i think he could get a lot of people in trouble this year with all the jokes and sort of the like a straight up fade of him so i think also like the chance for debo to get some front loaded production is there and that matters for us in

the way we structurally draft you can draft a luther burden a matthew golden a guy who you think might come on know you can use debo for like the first month six weeks of the year and you get that steady production. Let's take a quick break. We come back. We're talking about a player we're both very much into, and that's Braylon Allen. Imagine this. It's 10 o'clock and time to go to bed. Scary, right? It might be, especially if you fear the chance of an accidental leakage and skin irritation. Well, if that's the case, you need to try Tana sensitive care overnight pads. Its skin comfort formula acts as a barrier to help protect your skin and provides triple protection against leaks, odor, and wetness, helping you feel secure throughout the night.

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No. In the regular season. You're talking about Yahoo and Destination Devi. It's baseball practice and baseball game. half the damn week, man. But no, enjoying my time at Yahoo. I'll be on fantasy forecast with Matt Harmon every Tuesday in season and then still crushing it. Wake up with Ray and Jay every Monday, Wednesday, Friday on the Ray Garvin YouTube channel. Me and Jay Rich have a good time talking about sports, fantasy, life, all that good stuff. And then my big thing, Theo, is 26 class, man. I'm already

on to the 26 NFL draft. So looking forward to when more people get interested in college football, about the start of that, man. Yeah, I mean, the days are ticking down before Ohio State, Texas. I had to give my wife, like, an early schedule being like, listen, listen, we can do stuff on the holiday weekend, but at 12 noon Eastern time, I'm on the couch. I'm watching that game. Like, you know, she was very understanding of that one, Ray, as I'm sure your family is this time of year as well.

I'm not going to miss that one. And we have college football, like at the time we're recording, like coming up, we've got the Kansas State, Iowa State game. That should be fun. So, yeah, I'm with you. Really excited about this class upcoming. but got to talk about go to the season. Let's talk about a guy who was a college star.

Let's talk about a player who was on a Big Ten football field, putting up huge numbers at 17 years old. And that's Braylon Allen. I've sort of been pounding the table for him for weeks here. My Braylon Allen bags are packed in Dynasty, readraft best ball, you name it. You're also very enthusiastic about the season ahead of him. Yeah, this is one of those situations with Aaron Glenn taking over his head coach.

You know, sometimes you hear that coach speak and either just saying, I mean, he's told you from day one what we're going to do. We're going to use a committee backfield. We are going to run the ball. You heard Justin Fields even come out the other day and say, hey, I'm comfortable with just eight-yard passes down the field. Our job is just to move the chains throughout the preseason. I know people will say it's preseason, but the Jets had their starters out there. And you better believe they're trying to figure out what they've got in that offense. Raylan Allen and Bruce Hall are literally splitting opportunities with Braylin Allen being on the field in that second preseason game.

Every third down situation on the fourth down opportunities. Bruce Hall was like the first and second down back. This young 21-year-old back is playing with more confidence. He clearly has the trust of this coaching staff. He's going to play. Braylon Allen is going to play. And for everything that Brise Hall is and what he can be, like he's even saying, said, Kyron and those guys, those ones that have been paid, they've done more than me.

This isn't the team that drafted me. Like, I've got to step it up this year. Brelin Allen feels motivated. This 21-year-old is ready to go. I'm in. I'm in. Yeah, it's Aaron Glenn, I think this is going to be part of like their identity. Tanner Engstrand coming over.

We saw the split with Jemir Gibbs and David Montgomery in Detroit. The David Montgomery role might end up being the more valuable one in New York, just with the way Justin Fields plays, the way he opens up. running lanes for his running backs. Breece Hall is really an interesting one. And we talked about Debo, like the fantasy community, I think views Breece Hall in a higher regard than NFL teams do. We see it with New York not paying him.

He's had a few injuries. And like he catches a lot of passes and Bruce Hall's had a ton of explosive runs, but he's never put together a thousand rushing yard season. So we don't know internally what those coaches really think about him. I think that the glass half full argument would be, Brees Hall is their number two target in the passing game. Brees Hall is still going to produce and Braylon Allen can they can coexist as like the two guys you can bet on a weekly basis along with Garrett Wilson and like a predictable offense. So a lot of things up in the air with Brees Hall.

And I also think you get the added bonus with Braylon Allen that they have Isaiah Davis, they have Donovan Edwards. Maybe they move Brie's Hall at the trade deadline and you get fantasy playoffs Braylon Allen just kind of to the moon here. And Ray, one other thing that nobody talks about with Breland Allen. I'm sure you and Scott Connor talk about this is Braylin Allen will be 23 years old, his first time he enters free agency. So a lot of juice for that profile in dynasty, but I'm with you. Redraft best ball. Braylin Allen is absolutely one that I want to get access to.

Let me get your opinion on the Jacksonville backfield because I think a lot of people have strong takes of this. You sort of alluded to you like Travis Etyn a little more maybe than some do. Between ETN, Bachel Tootin, Tank Bigsby, do you think there'll be a clear winner? Do you think this backfield could be a mess? How are you handling it this season with the players you're targeting? It's a mess.

It's an absolute mess. I don't think there is any clear one. I don't really know what to expect from this backfield. I know it's easy to just be like this guy is going to be the Bucky Irving, but I don't know. And there are still some people out there of some beat reporters from Jacksonville talking about LeQuint Allen. And the fact that both Tank Bigsby and Travis Eton,

I'm not sure what their contractual situations are, but it could be a real situation where they're going in the next year, and it's Tootin and Lequin Allen as the two running backs. I just, this has been a backfield where Tutin has always been priced too high for me from the jump. So I did not, I did not, you know, pay up for him early in the process. So right now I would take the least the cheapest one, Theo. If it were Tank Bigsby, give me Tank Biggsby. I want a piece of the offense.

But to sit back today and say, I confidently know which one is going to occupy this role. I'm not going to do that. And I don't think I don't think anybody really knows. You could make a story in an argument for why one of them is or is not. But I'll just take the cheapest one in drafts. Yeah, I think I'm with you. Bachel Tootin became kind of interesting when he was falling in drafts, but he never reaches a point where he's ever cheap.

I still think I want bait. If I had could have won for every team, I think it would probably be Tutin if my roster structure could support it. Because I think he could sort of be a hand, to the ETS role and a handcuff to the Bigsby role. If one of those two guys goes down, I think Tutin has a clear path. And it could just be a like they get six games in and maybe rotating guys is not what they want. And they kind of pivot over to Tuton.

So I believe in Liam Cohen. I think it's a backfield absolutely worth taking shots on. And we kind of believe all these guys have talent and traits that we like for fantasy. That might not be the case in Dallas, though, Ray. we'll talk about the Dallas Cowboys backfield where it's another one where there's a lot of question marks. I had Greg Branos to the Coach Speak Index talking about how like Giovante Williams, they refused to name him the starter. The coaching staff has done things like really, really complimented his wisdom,

which makes him sound like he's a 40-year-old back. It's not great vibes right here. Where are you at for Giovante Williams, Jaden Blue? is this as Miles Sanders have a chance is it Hunter Leapke gets touches is it Kavante Turpin and some weirdo like wide receiver playing running back role is this a backfield to avoid are you taking shots? They're just going to play whomever. This is Dallas.

I'm down here. I'm pretty plugged in. They're just going to they like the backfield. They like their backfield. And you got to understand that the NFL team's objective is much different than what our objective is in fantasy football, right? A combination of those three, while maybe not attractive and appealing for us, maybe they think that this is fine. Because really this offense flows through Dak Prescott, C.D. Lamb and George Pickens.

I don't think the running game, Rico Dado had 1,000 yards and they let him go. Tony Pollard did a back-to-back seasons. They let him go. This team has done this time and time and time again. I think they're just fine with whomever's running the rock, whoever's got the hot hand approach. Do I want one of them? sure. I'll take some Javanta Williams. I'll take some Jaden Blue. The one I'm not taking a lot of is Miles Sanders. I've got a few just for exposure, but that's the one I'm least interested in. Yeah, Miles Sanders is like you're, I'm in terrible running back shape and best ball. I need to get a guy who might give me two weeks and that's it. Yeah, it's a mess. It's an absolute mess. But what's not a mess in Dallas is the wide receiver situation. C.D. Lamb is what he is. He's one of the mega, like, target earners among wide receivers in the NFL. He's fourth for me in my top 100 PPR rankings right behind Bejohn Gibbs and, of course,

Jamar Chase at the top. And I think Lamb is settling in as the wide receiver two overall for a lot of people. But George Pickens continues to climb and climb and climb. Is George Pickens this year's T. Higgins? I don't see why he can't be. I don't see why he can't be. I absolutely, that's what this offense is flown through those two. It's George Pickens.

It's C.D. Lamb. George Pickens historically during his time at Pittsburgh, his usage, you know, I tracked this on D.D. Trinity score. His usage has been upwards in that elite range. I mean, what he would do on Pittsburgh and you can look at the totality of the passing numbers and it wasn't that much. Go look at his share of his teams receiving stuff. And it's him, right? You add up all the other guys and it's still not as good as Pickens. And now you're putting him in an offense where he's not the number one.

there's probably probably not going to be a lot of teams that devote to a corner and a safety atop both C.D. Lamb and George Pickens. C.D. is still no doubt the one. But George Pickens is walking into a situation where he's playing with no doubt the best quarterback of his career, a team that very well could be conservatively top 10 in the NFL and past attempts. And a team that we just talked about has a running game that leaves a lot left to be desired, man. Like this is the NFC's version of the Cincinnati Bengals or the Dallas Cowboys. I love that analogy. I love how consolidated it can be between these two players.

And I think Pickens is going to thrive in this number two role. And it's funny because we take him out of Pittsburgh where he was the clear number one. The target share is going to drop. But the overall targets will probably be potentially more. And if we go back to Schottenheimer's time in Seattle, he had multiple years where D.K. Metcalf and Tyler Lockett were both big-time producers and both saw like, there's so much to like here. Let me give you a quick, like, how convicted are you OTC decisions? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go George Pickens or another very talented wide receiver two in the same

division, Devontas Smith. Oh, it's easy pickens. Okay, George Pickens versus this year's Terry McLaren, Calvin Ridley. Pickens. Okay, George Pickens versus another guy I really, really like having a sort of ascending year, Jamison Williams. Oh, I love me some Jamo. Give me pickings. Okay.

And then here's a, here's a tricky one versus a clear wide receiver one in their offense, Cortland Sutton or George Pickens. I would take Pickens over Sutton. Okay. So we're there. And Pickens is right now, I think, a locked in fifth round pick. By the end of the month when we get to like the post Labor Day drafts, I think you're going to see more and more like round four Pickens with people chasing that upside.

This could be an amazing year. And let me ask you, Ray, also, like, you're really, really locked in with this team. How great are the vibes with Pickens who had this just awful reputation as a locker room guy? It seems like it's completely opposite. He gets to Dallas and everybody loves him. CD Lamb talks about him like it's his best friend. How were the beat reporters talking about Pickens, his approach to everything, just the vibes with him and the team in the locker. him. Not an issue. Not an issue. I've heard nothing negative. They are excited as hell to have him there.

It's been complete 180, which you heard about in Pittsburgh. And maybe a lot of that is, you can say he's on his best behavior. He's there to play football. And he's playing football with the best quarterback of his professional career in an offense that's going to air it out. And he's the clear cut number two. Yeah, this is, this could be a Jamar Chase T. Higgins type situation with C.D. Lamb and George Pickens, no doubt. And just to kind of piggyback off of that one, your enthusiasm for Dak Prescott this year coming off a year where he was injured, there's a lot of, like I know that our projections team, shout it to Chris Wecht at Fantasy Points, Scott Barrett, a number of people have Prescott pretty highly ranked among that, kind of like there's a large tier of guys

from like QB7 to like QB15 that people are targeting. Prescott's definitely one that we've moved up. Where are you at with when you draft Lamb, when you draft Lamb, when you, draft pickings, do you want to build that correlation? Are you taking DAC without those guys? What's your expectations for DAC this season and fantasy? I'm right in line with Chris. I'm right in line with Barrett.

Hell, yeah. I mean, I think he, for a while, Theo, I know you saw it. I know you saw it. He was one of the best kept values because he was just because of the injury, because they have no running game. It's Dallas. They haven't done a lot to improve it. And let's be honest, the offensive line might be a little shaky.

I mean, his ADP was kind of criminal for where you we're taking CD Lamb, even where you're thinking about taking pickings, if those two are going to produce at that level, why not bet on a quarterback that we've already seen do it before? His big thing is health. And I can't, it's hard, Theo, to draft on non-healthy quarterbacks right now when he's out there playing and there's no issues. Yeah, I'm with you. I had a big dynasty trade offer in my inbox the other day where I would have had to give up

DAC and it was a really tempting offer. but sort of in the back of my mind, it's 2023 DAC all over again. And maybe he's this year's Baker Mayfield. We see a 40 touchdown season. And he's going in that range of drafts where he, like in best ball and redraft, I mean, how could you not get some Dak Prescott? In these FFPC drafts, you can oftentimes get him in the 10th, 11th round. It allows me to build my team in a number of ways.

And even if I don't get Pickens or Lamb, I still think he's viable because Dak could end up with a really good. And he really worked on his body. Dack looks like considerably leaner than we then I mean at any time in his career he looks about as lean as he's ever looked so Dack I think is in store for a really really strong season let's take one more quick break we come back we're talking about Xavier Worthy and why he can build on what we saw at the end of last season all right welcome back fantasy football daily so this one this one Ray I love having guests on who like Xavier Worthy because I've sort of gone to war for

him all off season long and now people are sort of scaling everything back because because they expect Rashi Rice to miss a considerable amount of time. But Xavier Worthy, what he did at 21 years old last year, five out of his last seven games scored 19 points or more. Of course, the garbage time in the Super Bowl. He was a first round pick, the fastest wide receiver in the NFL. And a guy that we saw really, really featured in the Andy Reed offense. What's your ceiling case for Worthy this year?

How enthusiastic are you about him? I'm very high. I'm very high on Xavier Worthy. And it was bigger than just the Super Bowl, man. When you look at, when you truly look at what he did from about week 12 on, I mean, his usage was yielding you about 15 and a half points per game. When I'm looking at historical players over that time period, over the last five years, I mean, you're talking about DJ Moore from last season,

Debo Samuel of 2021 on a high top 10 percentile outcome. You're talking about 17 points per game in the following season. And if that type of usage continues, this offense fundamentally changed once Xavier Worthy got going. Like they needed him to open up the offense. You know, just like the listeners of this show know, Patrick Mahomes' ability to push the ball downfield post-Tyriek Hill has been abysmal. They have not been able to unlock the deep passing attempts as to why he's ranked at the bottom over the past couple of years.

Him being a part of this offense opens things up. And while I don't know where we got to this point where it's got to be one or the other. I think Rishi Rice and Xavier Worthy in tandem work really well. And when Rice started off that first three weeks, Worthy wasn't doing a lot. He wasn't as involved in the offense. Go look. The next closest utilized receiver was DeAndre Hopkins during that time period. So it took Worthy, a rookie wide receiver, surprise, surprise, a little time to figure it out. But once he did, his playmaking ability, his ability to flip the field for Kansas City and his maturation through the NFL was evident.

They're not going to put that back in the bottle. This was a first round pick. They don't see that happen. That's not how football works. I can guarantee you the chiefs aren't looking at the receiver room thinking Rishi Rice is back bench Xavier Worthy. It's how do we get both of these guys the ball to move the offense down the field? That's how football works.

Yeah. And a lot of those arguments about him just like having such regression with Rice next to him. I'm glad you brought that up because I've said that these are two players that can coexist. Now we only have to see them sort of coexist for a month. And I think that the natural progression for the Chiefs will be when Rice serves his suspension. And we have no idea how long it's going to be.

I know Adam Schaefter has people sort of optimistic. It's going to be a low number of games. And Shepter is usually right on this stuff. But it's not a guarantee. I think worthy steps up, but a big, big way can give you wide receiver one production in the time Rice is gone. but when Rice is there, it sort of opens things up for those immense spike weeks that a player with his speed can have. And it's sort of a revenge tour for Kansas City this year where they were embarrassed in the Super Bowl.

I think there's going to be a lot of self-scouting in the building, a lot of aggressiveness from Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, that whole coaching staff in just their approach offensively. I think you're going to get back to Kansas City putting a number on people occasionally when they get a chance to. So it's not just a sit back and win games by four, win games by three. When they get a chance, they're going to put it on people. Well, and prior to the Super Bowl, in order to get there in the game against the Buffalo bills,

Xavier Worthy led Kansas City and targets, receptions and receiving yards. Like they don't get to the Lombardi without Xavier Worthy. They don't get through Buffalo without him. They're not going to put him on the bench or not throw him the ball. Like this is one where both players can exist. And it's pretty clear that they, they needed him and they drafted him for a reason.

Head to head OTC, Marvin Harrison Jr. or Xavier Worthy? Tough one. I would probably lean into Marv on this one. Head to head on the clock, six Marves, four worthies. Yeah, I mean, it's close enough that you could potentially get both. Let's give you another one. Mike Evans or Xavier Worthy. With everything that we know right now in Tampa Bay, you got to go Big Mike.

and I don't feel great about them long term, but I would go big Mike over X right now. Okay. And Devante Adams versus Worthy. Got to go, Tay. I got a bet on that back. Come on Stafford. I'm betting on the back, Theo. I'm betting on the back.

I'm giving you tough ones. Okay, I'll give you one. I think you're going to go worthy on this one, but I can't read you. Let's see. Xavier Worthy or DJ Moore. People think I'm a big DJ more hater. They think I'm a big DJ more because I love Rome. I'd take X over more.

I'd take X over more. Me too. I'll take X over more. Okay, so that's where we're at. And I think worthy, like, in round four, some leagues round five, really strong value. One player we're getting pot, really, like, worthy Ladd McConkey, Marvin Harrison Jr., neighbors, BTJ, all these year two, Ricky Purcell, these year two wide receivers have steamed up and up and up, Roma Dunzee. But one that's sort of getting the late August buzz was a player that was drafted very, very highly, a player that had a three, touchdown game about this time two years ago against LSU.

And that's Keon Coleman. Keon Coleman's getting a ton of buzz with the beat reporters in Buffalo. And there's been some quotes from ex-players, current players, saying that Coleman's going to be a big breakout this season. Are you buying into it? I want to. I want to buy into it. It's almost the opposite of worthy, right?

Because as the season went on for Kansas City, you saw Worthy be more involved in the offense and assumed a bigger part of that offense, bigger role. And it was like the opposite happened for Keon Coleman. I know he had that big week 18, but they did not utilize him down the stretch as much as it seemed like they tried to do at the beginning. So I wonder if that was just a byproduct of the team. It was Allen his MVP season. I would rather that trend have been the reverse, right? we saw glimpses and steps moving forward. I think Josh Palmer's a big enough nat.

Like when it comes to you, for me, Theo, I've kind of gotten past this point where I'm just, whatever my thought of the player's profile is, that leads and that's my guiding light. Like, I'm truly looking at the opportunity in the offense. Like, what's the usage look like? What's the quarterback efficiency look like? I think Palmer's a big enough nat,

along with other people. That's where I have a hard time. seeing what Coleman's ceiling is. I'm not projecting him to be the guy. Like that is your 28 to, you know, 25 to 28% target share guy. I don't know if that's really within his range. I expect him to play better in year two. But here's what I'm hoping for and people are not going to like this. But it's, you can look up the data. You all have, you've seen it, Theo. I'm hoping to see the type of jump that kind of Quentin Johnston had from his rookie year to a second year.

Like, you can say what you want about, about QJ, but you can look. Like, he made a leap fantasy production-wise. Screw the name. I want to see Keon Coleman make another leap this year, and maybe he's one of those year-three guys that really assumes that. But they paid Keon-Kal-Shikir right away. Kincaid is still there. Palmer's still there.

I just see a hard path to that ceiling for Coleman. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I like Palmer as well. I think a lot of times we underestimate. why teams brought in players as free agents. I think Buffalo views Palmer maybe in a more positive light than L.A. ever did. And I think Palmer's fine in the 15th round. I do think you want to, if you're drafting a lot, you want to mix in Keon Coleman.

Okay. Because like you said, there's so many guys there, but none that has really taken that step forward, where Coleman, if they commit to him just as a big time end zone target, we believe in the quarterback. I don't know, he's interesting. And he goes in this range of drafts where it's a bunch of old. guys on the downward slope of their career, guys that are not that exciting to me.

And then Coleman there, where he had such a good high pedigree. We saw him dominate college football games. And he's this big bodied receiver. Buffalo took him over, Ladd-McConkie, took him over a bunch of guys. They probably wish they could have flipped that one. But here we are.

I think they're going to try to see what they can get from Coleman. So we will see on that one. Let's keep this conversation going. And let's talk about some sleepers. We talked about it in the beginning of the show. we're going to talk about some deep sleepers. And a player that you've been on really since last year, Ray, when he was playing running back at USC up into the Senior Bowl was Woody Marks.

You've always been a Woody Marks guy. Now Woody Marks, I think, has a pathway to fantasy viability in Houston. Joe Mixing completely banged up. Nick Chubb, there's some positivity there. But again, he's been hurt so many times, 29 years old. Damien Pierce, who the coaching staff is, Demico Ryan's has never really seemed to like Damian Pierce, but now Pierce has had a positive offseason.

Woody Marks has a way to not only get on the field, but potentially enter fantasy lineups this year. Your thoughts on Marks. There's opportunity here in Houston. There's opportunity and we all know a target is worth more than a rush attempt. He's the best past catcher running back that they have. He is. And he's shown an ability to at least handle preseason bits,

blitz pickup and recognition to, throughout his early preseason process while showing burst and some explosiveness between the tackles. I've been a big Woody Marks fan the entire time. We've got a chance to see him at the senior bull. He's put together well. He can win on the outside. He can win in routes. He can be one of the running backs. The always talk about it. He's a difference between running backs that can catch passes and be deployed his past catching weapons. Woody marks can be a past catching weapon for a team that I like Cade Stover. Dalton Schultz is fine. They may need another underneath option, right? Christian Kirk is not the perfect model.

of health and consistency. Nico's going to do his thing. I think Woody Marks could factor into this offense, especially in PPR formats, no doubt. Brett Whitefield's talked about him as a potential like James White type in his usage. I think that's the upside case. Caught over like 250 passes as a collegiate, played for Mike Leach just to show how long he was in college football,

had that huge year at Mississippi State where he caught all those balls. And last year goes for over 1,000 rushing yards at USC. took a big step forward as a runner. I'm into it. I think he's a really fun player to mix in, especially like I really like mixing him in in best ball where that's not a cop-out answer, but it's you know you those past catching backs

are a little bit easier to manage in best ball because you don't have to pick which weeks to use them. But when you look at Chubb and Mixin potentially not getting back on the field for a while, there's a chance that Marx is just getting enough weekly usage that you can comfortably put them in a flex- spot. I think that that could be the thing. And a fourth round pick in this group of running backs says a lot because there was a lot of running backs drafted later on day two, Chikori Kroski

Merritt. We talked about him that are going to have a chance to be direct handcuffs or better this year. And one of those players is looking more and more like Ollie Gordon. And I remember the two of us at the Senior Bowl talking about Ollie Gordon. He was very impressive down in Mobile. And when you stand next to him, just the physical size, it's almost like standing next to a small, tight end. He's got a big wingspan, tons of production when we go back to his early career in Oklahoma State. 2024 took a step back. But his 2023 tape was special and his production was special. And Jalen Wright can't stay healthy.

And Jalen Wright also has struggled. And now you have Devon A-chan dealing with a calf injury. Ollie Gordon's moved into like must draft handcuff territory for me. I think we'll start seeing him inside around 14 for like the rest of drafts up until the start of the season. Your thoughts on Gordon and how good could he be in sort of a secondary role to A Chan and how good could he be if he had the backfill to himself? I mean, I think he's really good. The 23 season was no joke.

He was the RB1. Go look at any Montraft. It was not Ashton Genty coming into the season as the projected R.B. won for this upcoming class. It wasn't. There's a lot of Ollie Gordon coming off of that 23 season. Just go look it up. You don't have to believe me. Go check a preseason mock. Oklahoma State was awful. They didn't win a single Big 12 game. In 2023, when he won the Doke Walker Award, that was with Oklahoma State third in the country in passing. Like, he was still able to do all of that on the ground with them throwing the ball as much as they did. They were awful in 23. You don't forget out of run the

football. And at the senior bowl, it was very clear. He, he, he, he, he was. was a different type of running back out there. It was very clear to see that. And early throughout preseason, as bad as people talk about Miami's offensive line, every time Ali gets in there, something happens. I think the calf injury is a little more, maybe it's a little more problematic, right?

Maybe there's some sniffing around that Miami was interested in a running back. But I think if he can even just play in tandem with A. Chan, he's going to produce some points. I don't think he's got this high ceiling with A. Chan. on the field. But if there was some world where he were had to start a week or two, I absolutely think Ali would factor in as a top 12 running back for everybody immediately. Yeah, and you just nailed it with that. It's sort of like what we talked about with

Charbonnet, really Braylon Allen, if Bruce Hall missed his time, we want these cuffs that are no-brainers to go into the lineup. And I think Ollie Gordon's kind of there. And he's 21 years old with elite production. I, like, if he was eligible in the 2024, class. And like he would have gone much, much higher that year than this year where guys started falling through the cracks. So I think Ollie Gordon's a really, like a guy you really, really, really want to prioritize a really, really fun pick for you to end drafts with. And I love your enthusiasm for him. And a shout out to the Devi guys. There's Devy managers holding some Ollie Gordon bags that were really upset after that sixth

round, you know, draft pick that now they have a potential bailout window if Gordon gets on the field early and often. So yeah, he's definitely an interesting one. Let's keep this discussion going a little bit with a wide receiver. Kishon Boutte. You've talked about him a little bit, Ray. What's your enthusiasm level for him this season? There's been, you know, a ton of talk on, obviously Stefan Diggs is going to get a ton of mentions to Mario Douglas, Kyle Williams. Boutte last year was younger and more productive than Jalen Polk or Javon Baker,

two guys that really flamed out that they put strong 2024 draft capital into. Boutte, another former LSU Tiger. What are your enthusiasm levels heading into year three for Boutte? Listen, this is one where people will laugh it off, but I am really buying into, there's some things that are being discussed about his role on this team from New England that like it just doesn't happen. This isn't, you know, team captain.

This is a guy who down the stretch, I believe those last 10 games, I mean, he was averaging six targets a game, like down the stretch. He wasn't just an afterthought. It wasn't just a big play here, a big play there. He was an integral part of their passing attack in an abysmal offensive system. It was just abysmal. That's why they cleaned house, brought in everybody. And with this new scheme change in this transition, he's still there.

This is, you could have as much damn hope as you want to for Kyle Williams. Kishon Boutet is the starting X wide receiver for the. the New England Patriots. That's what it is right now. And outside of him going on the field and failing catastrophically, they don't just pull you off of the field in the league. If we've got enthusiasm and hype and expectation for Drake May, as good as digs looked, I'm still one of those guys.

There used to be this longtime fantasy additive that you just fade those ACL wide receivers year one. Like year one back from an ACL tear, you just don't want to deal with it. And you get a couple of success stories, and then you just kind of forget. I still want to see Diggs play, right? I still want to see Diggs play. We know Pop Douglas is relegated to the slot.

That's his role. But there was chemistry and opportunity for K. Sean Boutte in this offense down the stretch. And every single beat reporter with the shred of credibility from New England has said, he has done nothing to take a step back to anybody on this team. And he's by far the cheapest one outside of Mack Hollins, which you ain't drafted. Like this is a starting receiver for New England right.

here. And as a late last round pick flyer, hell yeah, I'll take them. Yeah, it's a really interesting take. And I think that you make a great point that the down the stretch usage sometimes gets brushed aside. But he was doing that with Drake May. So he's earning targets from Drake May. Boutet is interesting because like you talked about Ollie Gordon. At one time, Kayshan Boutte was looked at as an exceptional prospect, sort of again, falls through the cracks. but now it's year three. We saw that second half sort of breakout. Interesting one. And he can get them in every single draft in like the 20th, 19, 18th round.

So if Ray is wrong, he cost you the last pick in your best ball draft or your redraft league. So really a potentially small miss, but a bigger hit than some people might think. Talk about Tyler Warren. Definitely not a sleeper. But I know another guy that you're, we're going to segue this into a sleeper rookie tight end. before we talk about the sleeper rookie tight end, how good is Tyler Warren's rookie season going to be? Would you be shocked if he led Indianapolis in targets?

No. I'm not. Not at all. This is with Daniel Jones here, and I've been in Anthony Richardson, truth for the longest, right? But with Daniel Jones at the helm,

I think the objective is get the damn ball out of your hand, right? They drafted him for a reason. They've prioritized them through preseason. I don't think that was just a, like, we need to get you ready, dude. You are about to see significant, Target chair in year one. And I know historically, Theo, banking on rookie tight ends is just, it's not a good bet, right? Historically, it's not a good bet. But I think this is a much

different situation. Josh Downs, love the talent, inability to stay on the field as a problem. I like Adi Mitchell, but his role seems to be, you know, the field stretcher, big play guy. And Pittman is Steady Eddie. You know what you're going to get. Like, this offense is probably being designed to flow through Shane Steichen. And Dallas Goddard, I believe his best fantasy season, came with Shane Steichen as his offensive coordinator. I love that and I'm completely with you. It's sort of an anti-knock to Josh Downs enthusiasm, Michael Pittman enthusiasm.

I think Tyler Warren at the end of the day, and I'll include Jonathan Taylor in this, could end up being the most valuable return on investment of any single Indianapolis Colt you draft this year. You bring up like the rookie historical, you know, trends and betting on rookie tight ends, but Ray, if we just go from, if we only extend history back to Kyle Pitts's rookie year, we've had a ton of strong hits.

Last two seasons, obviously the tight end one overall, we're not putting that on Warren, but maybe his rookie season looks a little bit like Pitts is with a lot more touchdowns. And you factor in, he played with two NFL. And I know you're talking about you're getting after the 2026 class. I'd imagine that Nick Singleton's going to be one of your highest ranked running backs in the class. Tyler Warren in a backfield that had two future NFL players was still getting weekly rushing attempts. And they put them in this wildcat quarterback with Jones out there and not Richardson.

I think we could see that where you get sort of the full Tyler Warren experience where you get some of the Tassum Hill stuff. Are you buying into that as well? 100%. We've seen that. We're not going to see that until the season, though. They talked about doing it early in training camp. Yes. I mean, he played quarterback in high school.

They said that he had done that. So even if he's only, if you say he's only going to do that twice, you know, he's going to get you two rushing touchdowns. Like, I want that in those weeks. Like, I want that. So I'm not, I'm not expecting him to be a backup fullback here, but you better believe them get down to the two yard line and their version of the tush push or the wildcat.

What if that is Tyler Warren in that role? And he falls into the end zone for three, four touchdowns, Theo. Yeah, I mean, Brett Whitefield's brought this up as well. He's totally with you on this. Brett talked about like if you get him four to five rushing scores on top of the usage as a receiver, then you're talking about like a top five tight end season pretty easily. We always talk about touchdowns being a huge driver of tight end success. There is a scenario where Tyler Warren has like nine touchdowns this year and like three or four of them are on the ground.

Plus the PPR usage, really, really fun click. He's steamed up in drafts, but I think it's worth it. I think he's going to be another late August riser. Before we get off a rookie tight ends, where we've had some positivity with Harold Fannin Jr., Mason Taylor, Elijah Arroyo, and then Terrence Ferguson, he's back to practice, obviously an exceptional athlete. Besides Warren and Loveland, if you had to bet on one of these rookie tight ends finding their way into fantasy lineups this season at some point, who would it be? You know, early in the process, I was all Mason Taylor, but I'm just very concerned about the Jets passing game. I see in the notes, man. I'm just going to say everything that I've heard about the way Cleveland is using Harold Fanon

is exactly what I witnessed with my own two eyes at the Senior Bowl. And I tweeted it out. I said, I've watched every Harold Fanon practice snap. Not one time did he line up as a tight end. He was in the back field. He was split out. What I'm hearing in Cleveland is that's what he's doing. He's in the back field.

He split out. And he didn't play in that last preseason game. He was held out with the big boys. Like in an offense where you're kind of like Judy, we like Tillman, Bond probably not yet. There's a real world where there's a lot of 12 personnel and flackos just feed Ninjoku and Harold Fanon. I'm a lot more in on Fanon today than I was two, three, four months ago because they're using them exactly how. I was like, that's how you need to use them and they're doing it. And unlike Tyler Warren Theo, I don't care what college you're at.

if you're a tight end and can go command a hundred plus receptions in college as a tight end, dude, that's impressive. That is impressive. I think we're legally required to remind people to throw in the Penn State and the Texas A&M tape when talking about Harold Fanon Jr. But I also think it's like it's really just kind of fun to get into Cleveland is so close to Bowling Green. It's like they definitely know who Fanon is and they take him in the third round. they don't take wide receivers. And it's like you can just see it now.

If David and Joku misses any time, Fanon's a top 12 tight end on the week. If Jerry Judy or even Cedric Tillman misses time, you're going to see a bump up for Fanon. So like he's one of the youngest tight ends in football. He's coming from a small school. There's reasons not to like them, but there's so many reasons we want to,

when there's this much positivity, we need to pay attention. when you combine it with strong draft capital and incredible college production. So let's go Harold Fanon Jr. That'll be a fun storyline. Ray, every guest of mine on Dynasty Life, on Fantasy Football Daily, and when guests joined Scott Barrett and I on School of Scott, we're asking everybody to drop one bold prediction for the fantasy football season.

So I didn't even put it on the sheet. This is off the cuff. Ray Garvin, give me something good that's going to happen this season that you truly believe in, that maybe the entire market is not factoring in. You know, I should know by now that this is coming and have a damn answer planned out, and I never do. And you caught me off guard. You know, I had some bold takes a few months ago, but those have already been lit up in flames.

I've got two, man. I've got two. And one of them is predicated on a little bit of an injury. But I really do think that we could be in line for a real special season from rookie wide receiver of Mech Igbuka. I think that if we were just as bullish about this Tampa Bay offense with a healthy Chris Godwin and Mike Evans at his age, again, I'm knock on wood because we don't ever hope for injuries, but Godwin is hurt.

And right now he's not doing the things that are required to go be an excellent fantasy producer. And all the positivity and buzz around McMillan around Igbuka has been glowing about his ability to pick up this offense. Like, I know still right now, I don't know if. he's the ADP is really caught up to where he is, but I am, I am all in on a potential just even if it's out of necessity. I mean, I think a top 20 season from him is like low for me.

I'm very much in this season on a Mechig Buka. Theo, I think it's the year of the rookie in a class that we didn't think there were any elite talents. Like the fact that Thielen is traded, this, Ted McMillan should see no fewer than a hundred 50 targets. Tedero and McMillan, I mean, 100, if Garrett Wilson over the last three years is averaging about, I think about 156,

and I think the magic threshold for wide receiver one numbers is about 140, he's walking into 150 target. The real question is, are you betting on Bryce Young to elevate him? But if he takes over Adam Thielen's usage, you could get two wide receiver one seasons from this rookie class that a lot of people didn't think were that good. McMillan's path is just so clear.

Theo for a monster type season right now. I love it. I've been saying he's going to get at least 140. I'm completely with you. And whenever we project these young guys to get a ton of targets, a lot of times it just, they blow it out of the water. Malik neighbors last year, Brock Bowers last year. Like Carolina using T-MAC as the offensive focal point every single week,

I'm here for it. And I think he's worth drafting. Love a mech, Agbuka. I love the call. Year of the rookie wide receiver all over again, Ray. we're going to run it back. Let me know once again where they can find your work, what you have coming out during the season.

Yeah, I appreciate you for having me on. Always enjoy it. You find all my content on Ray Garvin, NFL on YouTube this season, working with Yahoo this fall. So I'll be on the fantasy forecast with Matt Harmon every Tuesday at 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And then me and Jay Rich having a good time on the wake up with Ray and Jay Show. Every Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

We'll be talking all things, sports, college football, keeping you up to date with this upcoming 2026 NFL draft class and then just having fun with fantasy football man just having fun entertaining you early in the morning when you're getting crushed out of your eyes and brushing your teeth come pull up and check out

wake up we have a good time over there good people man thank you for having me all Theo yeah I highly recommend Ray wherever you get your content make sure Ray Garvin is part of your weekly mix and your daily mix this season stick with us here at Fantasy Football Daily next episode it's going to be Scott Barrett Graham Barfield

Ryan Heath and I, like Ray, we're going to be dropping our bold predictions for the 2025 season. We're going to be revealing who the NFL MVP is, who the top score is at every single position. It'll be a can't miss episode. And make sure you subscribe to Fantasy Points YouTube. We're going to have a live draft that we're streaming only to YouTube, not on the podcast, where Scott Barrett and I are going to be joined by two-time FFPC overall champ of Bebebe Abitoba. That's going to be a lot of fun. Make sure you check out all the recent school of Scott's, Dynaston, Fantasy Lives. We're everywhere at Fantasy Points. We're going to help you crush your leagues this season.