Fantasy Football Daily - 2025 Fantasy Football: Top Second-Round Picks with League-Winning Upside

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

Use code SCOREMORE10 at checkout for 10% OFF any subscription. Dominate your league. Win more bets. Level up your game In this episode of Fantasy Football Daily, Faraz Siddiqi and Theo Gremminger uncover the hidden league-winners that fantasy managers are overlooking — including upside picks outside of Round 1. We dive deep into: 🔥 The most underrated offenses that could deliver massive ADP value 🔥 Why Round 2 might be the strongest in fantasy football history 🔥 Nico Collins' sky-high potential as Houston’s WR1 🔥 The case for De’Von Achane over Christian McCaffrey 🔥 Why Drake London should be a priority over Ladd McConkey 🔥 Rashee Rice’s breakout potential and how he compares to Amon-Ra St. Brown 🔥 WR showdown: Rice vs. Garrett Wilson vs. JSN vs. Tee Higgins 🔥 Our favorite late-round tight end targets 🔥 Is Breece Hall currently undervalued? 🔥 Why Justin Fields could be a fantasy cheat code again 🔥 The upside path for rookie QB Drake Maye 🔥 Plus: One bold prediction for the 2025 fantasy football season Whether you're prepping for your dynasty startup or redraft leagues, this episode is packed with actionable insights and bold calls. Subscribe and dominate your league with Fantasy Football Daily. Where to find us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://twitter.com/TheOGFantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/upperhandfantasy/ Join the Discord here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/discord#/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Fantasy Points for FREE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcast Transcription Here: Fantasy Points Website - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ NEW! Data Suite - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://data.fantasypoints.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fantasypts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #FantasyFootball #2025Rankings #DaveKluge #RB1 #WR1 #QB1 #TE1 #FantasyFootballAdvice #NFL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And our second round draft picks more important than ever. Fantasy Football Daily with Theo Greminger on the Fantasy Points Podcast Network. Today I'm joined by my friend Faraz Siddiqui of Upper Hand Fantasy. We're going to unpack some of the best second round values and talk about some players that can turbocharge your builds in Fantasy Football 2025. for us let's get it started it feels like you've got to nail the second round more so than in other seasons I tweeted this out yesterday and of course you get like the people coming at you where it was like some guy was like oh you want me to make good early for early round picks what a tweet that's a

really strong take but it's more so I think there's a bunch of players that are going to have really really strong seasons and not missing out on those players and making like those difficult decisions like we're going to unpack some of these but drafts could come down to did you make the correct decision between devon a chan derrick henry and maybe a couple of those other second roundbacks did you make the correct decision between drake london lad mcconkey and a j brown inside a round two i think drafts are really going to come down to those so just your general vibes about the second round this year do you share my enthusiasm yeah you know it's funny because last year you know you were able to grab guys like

Jimmy or Gibbs, Puka, Derek Henry was going in the second round. You know, and you talk about decisions. Do you remember the decision that a lot of people had to make last year between Derek Henry and Travis Ctian. Like that was a serious decision point. And I think that's what you're getting at here, right? You got to make the right decision.

And you never know, right? Last year, you're able to grab those guys. A. Chan, Drake London was in the second round. Nico was like late second. Sometimes you can get them in the third and some redraft leagues. This year, it's almost impossible. Like, it's insane. Like, for me, like, I don't even want to make a decision.

Like, I want, I want auto draft to make a decision for me because it's impossible, right? Like, you got Devon A. Chan in the second round. He has no, I mean, he should be a first round pick. McCaffrey is there as well. You know, Drake London, Bucky Irving, you know, and A.J. Brown, too. Like, you know, he's due for a bit of a regression as well, I think. So, you know, I'm going to find a way to mess up in these drafts. Like, I just know it.

Like, you know, before the season, you kind of have an idea and you have these takes of, you know, who's going to be the guy, who's going to be your favorite first round, second round pick? But I'm going to find a way to mess this up, Theo, telling you right now. Yeah, and I think you sort of nailed it. And I don't even know if it's going to be as much of a avoiding a landmine like Travis TN was last year and finding that sort of incredible upside into Derek Henry. But I think a lot of times you walk away.

way and you say, hey, my first round pick, I'm getting like 19, 20 points per game out of this pick. It's going well for me. And I'm happy that my second rounder is averaging like 16 points per game, but there might be a player that's going within a pick or two in that second round that's averaging like 21. And you feel like you're at a huge disadvantage and then you've got to hit on a lot of those later round picks. So I think for me, it's really interesting. And you sort of like, we both sort of like reference to Devon Achan. We're going to talk about him today. We're going to talk about Nico Collins. We're going to talk about some of these players who everything's setting up usage-wise

and everything's setting up in terms of just upside potential for a lot of these players on different offenses, where for Roz, it sort of feels like you're getting a first-round pick inside of round two. You reference where Devon A-chan should be going. We'll talk about that a little bit later. But one thing I love talking to my guests about this time of year is a lot of times we spend our time, really focusing on the players. And I think that's the way we usually should be doing it. But if we could take a step back and take a bird's eye view and identify the mispriced

offense, a lot of times if you can find that offense that we're not drafting correctly, it can lead to multiple ADP wins. And you can blindly take three or four guys off of that particular team and they end up being good picks to make. We've seen this time and time again. Is there an offense or two? two that you think the fantasy community might be sleeping on a little bit. Yeah, you know, the first thing that comes to mind is the cults, right?

You look at Anthony Richardson's shoulder injury, which is allowing Daniel Jones to take over, right? He's probably going to start week one. There's a chance that, like, and remember what this coaching staff has been repeatedly saying over the course of the off season, it's like consistency is kind of the main factor for them in this quarterback battle. And there's a chance because of the shoulder injury we see Daniel Jones not only start this year, but then because of quote unquote consistency, he could start well into the season, right? You look at his catchable target rate last year.

That was better than, you know, average overall in those first 10 weeks where he was a starter. His top three wire receivers last year were in the, all in the top 10 in terms of catchable target percentage among qualifying wire receivers. Anthony Richardson dead last in that category. But these Colts past catchers, ADPs, like all of them,

have not caught up at all, right? You have Josh Jones as a wire receiver 46, right? You know, despite averaging enough fantasy points to be a top 18 fantasy wire receiver last year when Anthony Richardson was not the starter, right? You know, he was extremely efficient despite all the quarterback issues last year. I mean, look at these numbers, dude.

30% first read target chair, right? And this is with competing with other guys. Now, you got to consider Michael Pittman, his back injury and that sort of thing. Michael Pittman's down at wire receiver 50. he's already proven he can earn a high target share, so I'm taking shots on him as well. But like you look at what Josh Downs was able to do last year, man,

like 2.28 yards per route run last year. That was right behind Malik neighbors, right? Third and targets per route run. Top 15 in expected fantasy points, target share, first downs per route run. Like the dude's a baller. So I really think that, you know, he's somebody that I'm taking shots on in every draft I'm going for.

And Tyler Warren, like who, you know, he was my 10 and won this class. You know, sure, you want to take shots on other guys like A.D. Mitchell and Ali Pierce in best ball late. But I think this passing offense will be a lot more fantasy relevant than they're being credited for right now. And dare I say it, man, Daniel Jones, right? Sneaky rushing ability, QB 29 off the board. I really don't hate that at all, especially in, you know, two quarterback super flex leagues. Yeah, I like your take on Daniel Jones.

He's been a target of mine on underdog drafts. And we forget about the rushing upside that Daniel Jones has. Like obviously we know if Anthony Richardson's the quarterback there, he's going to churn out rushing upside. And Jones definitely not as efficient a runner as Richardson by any means. But in his peak season in New York, Brian Dable's first year, he had north of 700 rushing yards. So Jones is not a zero.

He's got a floor there. I think that the Josh Downs, like I have a lot of smart people like yourself on these pods. And I think a number of us, Scott Barrett included, are all over Josh Downs. Ryan Heath all over Josh Downs. I have my Josh Downs bags packed. Michael Pittman's an interesting one. I'm glad that you brought him up because he's one where I've tried to play a little bit of catch up because we just think about what he was and the amount of money that Indianapolis is paying him. He had pretty much the same contract as a guy like Nico Collins, a guy like Jalen Waddle, and he's sort of being left for dead right now.

If the offense bounces back, I think Downs and Pittman could both deliver. But I love your Tyler Warren call because I think another. thing that we get from a switch to Daniel Jones is a little bit less of a threat of the quarterback inside of like the 10 yard line and specifically around the goal line. There's a chance that we see Tyler Warren in like a prominent receiving role where he's like a 20% target share guy. But then we also see him get like five rushing touchdowns this year in like a Taseom Hill type role.

And that sounds like hyperbolic. but Penn State had two running backs who I think are going to be highly drafted by Dynasty Managers next season, including Nick Singleton, who we would have been drafting inside a round two, I think for our Dynasty rookie drafts, if not earlier this year. Both of those guys are back at Penn State this year, but both NFL running backs. And with two NFL running backs in the back field, Penn State still managed to continually get Tyler Warren the ball as a runner. So I love your Tyler Warren call out.

I liked Colson Loveland a little bit more as a prospect, but it was like splitting hairs. They're both really, really good. Warren is a really interesting one. I love the Colts call out. We're going to take a quick break. We come back. We're going to find out why Faraz is so high on Devana, Achan,

and how he's one of the best picks you can make inside a round two. Welcome back to Fantasy Football Daily. Faraz, we talked about upper hand fantasy, and you guys are absolutely crushing it on Instagram. I think that there's this is like most of my most of my guests might have a strong YouTube presence or a really strong podcast following. You guys have this massive, massive base you built up to your credit. Every single time I check in on you guys, your follower count just goes up and up and up. See you guys at places like the Senior Bowl.

You're putting out outstanding video content. Let everybody know about what you have at Upper Hand Fantasy and why they should follow you. Yeah, no, for sure. I appreciate that. You know, we've been doing this for, you know, six or seven years now, just putting out content on Instagram. It was kind of one of those platforms where, you know, it just came naturally to me, opposed to X or, you know, or YouTube. But then we've kind of evolved the content as we went. Like, you know, when we first started, it was literally just me, you know, putting up pictures with like paragraphs, you know, as the caption, you know, as the analysis, right?

But, you know, we've built team out and now we have, you know, I think the content is very unique. thing in the space. And I do think there's a, you know, there's a type of fantasy football player that likes to consume, you know, content on Instagram. And you know what? The best thing about it is that, you know, it really feels like a community on there with all the comments and, you know, the interactions and the DMs, you know, and all those private interactions that, you know, one-on-one interactions that, you know, we could have that we might not be able to have on other platforms. So, you know, upper hand fantasy on Instagram, you know, that's really, you know, the best, the best place that, you know, we have in terms of like where we put out content and also where we can interact with each other.

Yeah. And the senior bowl content, not to get back to it, was was outstanding. And it was easy to find Farras in Mobile because you had like a whole like crew there with like a like a real cameraman. So putting on like absolutely professional type production, highly recommend you follow upper hand fantasy on Instagram. And your takes are also really strong as well for us. And let's start out. I love having guests on my show that agree with you. me on Devon A-chan. Player last year who led the NFL in receptions at the running-back position. His rookie season was electric. The yards per carrier, one of the best we've ever seen in NFL history. Last year in games where Tua-Tunga-Loa played, H-N was giving you top three running-back production. This year, two is healthy.

We also lose Jonu Smith, who was another threat on like those low A-DOT looks where two-a-tung-vilo is quickly getting the the ball out of his hands. Sort of your enthusiasm level for Devon A-chan. I have a ton of A-chan inside a round two. Starting to see him creep up a little bit towards that one-two turn. Are you still comfortable taking him there? Yeah.

I mean, he's a freeze-round one player. And you mentioned, right? Like, you look at the games he was, two of us healthy for in PPR. He averaged more fantasy points than Saigon Barclays. So, like, he could have been the overall RB1 in PPR leagues, man. Like, you know, if he's, if two of us healthy all year long, 6.6 targets a game.

That was more than any other running back last year. And we know from Scott Barrett that a target is, you know, about two and a half times more valuable than carries in PPR leagues. 6.1 catches per game. That was more than any other running back last year. And like you said, John Smith has gone now. You know, it's funny. Tua said it himself not so long or maybe a month ago or so that, you know,

what do you, like if they asked them, the reporter's asking what are you working on this year, this offseason, you know, what's more important to you than anything else? He goes, he's working on getting the ball out quicker. Like, what? You know, you were already getting the ball out ridiculously quick. He was getting rid of the ball at an average of 2.21 seconds, which was the second fastest in the NFL last year. You know, 2.33 time to pressure.

That was second in the NFL last year as well. According to Fantasy Life data, of court, I'm sorry, fantasy points data, of course. So who is the beneficiary of that? Like, it's A-chan, right? Like, it's all pointing in his direction. If the offensive line is going to continue to stink it up, and he's focusing on throwing the ball short, like it's going to be A-chan. And as much as I would love a Tyreek Hill bounce back, which I think is possible, if the offensive line is going to continue to do what it is, because I don't think Mike McDaniels coming into the season looking at, you know, why did they just go ahead and just try to replace, you know, replace John who's so quickly with Darren Waller? And I think it's because they're trying to mimic what they had going towards the end of the year.

I did not think that that was going to be what they were trying to do. Like when you have guys like Tyreek Hill and you have guys like Jalen Waddle, you want to get those guys involved, right? Not like around the line of scrimmage. You don't want to build your offense, you know, within five to 10 yards in line of scrimmage. Like that's not a great proposition. Like what they were doing when they brought in Tyreek Hill, that's what you want to do, the downfield action. But maybe it just speaks to the fact that they know that they're not going to be able to get a whole lot of production down there. And that's why they're building the way they are, which is kind of insane to me.

Yeah, I mean, I completely agree with you. I think that A-chan, it's any way you want to, like, sort of beat up this offensive line. And on the fantasy points, we had Scott D. Benedetto on School of Scott with me last week, our offensive line's guru. and he's like really bearish on this Miami O line. I think internally they're a little more optimistic than I think a lot of the fantasy community are. They drafted a lineman inside a round two and they signed Daniels as a free agent. So at least the guard situation is strong. The tackle situation could be a nightmare.

Tehran Armstead, of course, is gone. Patrick Paul taking over for him. So I think that like getting the ball out of two his hands and into Devon A. Chan's like very, very, very quickly on those low aid out looks and some screen passes. That's going to be a huge part of the offense. But I do think there's an opportunity where A-Chank could also like really, really have his best season as a runner. He still is yet to give us a thousand rushing yard season.

He's talked about that as a huge goal of his, wants to have a thousand plus rushing yards, 500 plus receiving yards and giving us that two-way ability in the second round. I also think we're getting a little bit of a discount where Miami two years ago was putting up insane numbers. Top five scoring offense in the NFL. Now they're sort of back to the Waddle Hill, A-chan, consolidated looks. So A-chan's going to touch the ball over and over and over again. Jalen Wright's certainly not the threat that we would have had with like a Rahim Mosterd, at least at this point in his career. So I'm completely with you. And it's funny to me for Oz how we're getting like so much Christian McCaffrey enthusiasm at 29 years old when we have this year three running back

who could potentially have 100 receptions this year. Yeah, you know, and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that, A, we've seen an absolutely, you know, multiple ridiculously years from Christian McCaffrey. He's supposedly healthy now. He's on a better offense. And we've kind of, we've kind of seen it happen. We've seen him win, win leagues for us. So I get it.

And there's also like a big fomo factor too, right? Like Christian McCaffrey every single year, there's a big fomo factor. like, oh my God, like, what if I miss out? What if Christian McCaffer was on the board? And I miss out, right? I think that's a big factor, too. I don't, I don't see that as much with other drafters with Devon A-chan. But at the end of the day, like for me, at this point, now that John, especially because

John was out of town now, Devon A-chan, man, like, like you said, like he could, he could lead the league, you know, in catches by like 20, 25, easily. Yeah, he could be a hundred reception guy. So for me, I love taking that upside inside of round two. And it's not a player that we've really. had to. It's an underdog thing where you're seeing best ball drafters push them into round one. I haven't really seen that in redraft. I had an NFFC league where I got him at like 18 overall, 19 overall a few times. It feels like unbelievable value. One player who sometimes sneaks into the

turn, but is often available in the early second round at the wide receiver position is Nico Collins. And I'm starting to see some collective enthusiasm for clicking the ball. button on Collins in this range. His target competition right now are two rookies, ones we like in Jalen Knoll and Jaden Higgins, and then Christian Kirk, who Houston sent a seventh round pick for. Nico Collins has been consistently very good for the last two seasons, has been north of 17 points per game in PPR formats,

but it feels like we haven't seen that huge peak outcome, Niko Collins season. And you talked about Scott Barrett earlier. This is another player he really likes. He's compared Nico to a Julio Jones in terms of like what could be the ceiling type outcome for this sort of an alpha wide receiver. You're also all in on Nico this year for us. 100%.

I mean, he is truly, truly elite. I mean, you'll be surprised where I haven't ranked going into the season. Okay. Like it's out there. Okay. Like we're talking like top couple of games. guys and that's it. But he should be going higher than he's going now. And I, I, you know, maybe because of the injuries and he hasn't put it together for a whole season yet, right? And that's

really what it is. But like, in my opinion, ahead of Amman Ra, a head of Puka, ahead of Malik, maybe, you know, but at least in that tier. And he's not going in that tier. He's going later than these guys, right? So, you know, me personally, like I have him ranked above all the three of these guys. I think sometimes people, you know, see a lot of these names. Um, you know, for Houston, and they make it seem like a competition, right? They see Christian Kirk and Jalen O'L and Jaden Higgins and they're counting. One, two, three, oh, my God, there's so much competition. They're all fine players, but Nico's an alpha Y receiver who will be deserving a 25 to 30 percent target share, right?

You look at someone like C.D. Lamb who just got George Pickens, right? Now, George Pickens in the past has demanded a 25 percent plus target share. Okay, great. So now when he comes in, I'm not saying that C.D. Lamb is less or more of a player than Niko. but then you look at what George Pickens has done in the past. You're like, okay, maybe C.D. Lam's target share goes down by a couple percentage points or something like that. But with Nico, you can't say that by any of these guys, right? None of these guys are going to say, and you can't add up the target shares for these guys and say that you take it away from Nico.

No, the Alphids are going to eat first. And that's really what we've seen, right? You look at Amman Ra in his rookie year. A couple of these guys were off the field. They're like, oh, no, he only had that, you deserve that, got that target share because these guys were off the field. no, that's not how it works. The way that it works is that no matter what, if anyone ends up getting a 25, 30% target share,

you know, they are going to most likely maintain that, you know, for their career, especially if they do it at an early age or at least early in their career. So there's new McVeigh-style offense coming in, you know, that Nick Cayley's bringing over. You know, it's really interesting to me because the last three McVeigh coaches to leave and run another offense

has prioritized their wire receiver one with top 10 target chair. Not only that, but these last three coaches, so we're talking Liam Cohen, Zach Robinson, and Kevin O'Connell. Their wire receivers were set up to have their career years that first year away. Okay. So we saw with Justin Jefferson. We saw with Drake London. And then with Chris Godwin until he got hurt, right? So we're talking about a wire receiver in Nico, who's already elite, you know, second and third among all wire receivers in yards per route run the last two seasons, second and seventh in fantasy points per route run per fantasy points data, of course. and last year he was on pace for more than 1,400 receiving yards if he never got hurt,

which would have put him only behind Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. So I'm with you, man. I think he's being slightly undervalued where he's going. And just like A-chan, I think both of these guys, you know, who you can get in the second round are absolutely steals and belong in the first. Yeah, and Nico's also missed time in in the back-to-back seasons. It's just staying healthy, staying on the field. We could see that really big peak season for Nico.

So 15 touchdown catches in his last 27 games. And that was with an offense where Bobby Sloick, you know, not to put a lot on Slowick, because they obviously had some issues. But Slowick seemed like he was holding this offense back. I love the Nico enthusiasm. I had a discussion with Brett Whitefield this morning. Amon Rae St. Brown or Nico Collins at the one to turn.

Nico just feels like much more of an edge pick. Are you also on Collins versus Amon Ra? I am. I have them right over them this year. You know, I think, you know, you look at also, you know, Ben Johnson leaving, you know, it's like you have to kind of add some percentage points into the risk, you know, for the lion's offense, right? Like, I'm not saying that, you know, you got to be completely off of them because Ben Johnson's gone. But, you know, also Amman Raan, another couple of risk percentage points is he just had knee surgery too, right? So like, there's a couple of things there, right?

But when you look at Nico, you're just like, okay, well, we know he has a quarterback. we know this offense could get a way more interesting, just like we saw Atlanta's offense get way more interesting after Zach Robinson took over. So, you know, same coaching tree. So yeah, no, I'm with you on that. I just think the upside is just a little bit greater when it comes to Nico with all those downfield targets and the fact that he's legitimately elite as a perimeter X receiver. Like it's, it's, I think most of the public in general, NFL fans in general,

don't quite put him in that tier. But people like me, I do. Yeah, and 26 years old for Nico, really in that sweet spot. The early, you know, his breakout was a little bit later. So this could be really the peak season for him. Another wide receiver that we're both very, very high on, we're going to talk about right after this. Welcome back, Fantasy Football Daily, Theo Greminger with Faraz Siddiqui.

Okay, so one that became really an interesting argument over on X a couple weeks ago, was Drake London versus Ladd McConkey. Both of these players are going right alongside of one another. Both of them are clear wide receiver ones. They're both younger. We can throw A.J. Brown into this discussion as well. But it really came down to London versus McConkey. Where are you at in this argument and your collective enthusiasm level for these younger

wide receivers? This is definitely one of that. So I can see why there's a huge argument over this because it's a very, very tough decision. I think one of the toughest decisions for me, you know, but, you know, gun to my head, I'm going Drake London. Me too. I think both are clearly amazing players. I think Ladd is still underrated by many. Like I think the second year wide receiver, you know, is all about Malik, all about Brian Thomas Jr.

But I think talent wise, I think Ladd is like right there, you know, to be honest with you. Now, I think the tiebreaker for me is kind of the offensive environment, right? I think L.A. now has two running backs and an offensive line who, you know, they can run the offense the way they want to run it, right? I think Harbaugh and Greg Roman want to do something with that. And I think they have the pieces to do that. And I think LAD will remain like that pass funnel, you know, for that passing offense, for Justin Herbert.

I don't think that's going to change. I think he's still worthy of a 27, 28% target share. Will the overall pass volume go down a little bit? Maybe, you know, that's still yet to be seen. I think he can still finish as a wide receiver one. But I think Drake London, like we just put out a post today on Instagram, you know, who is our favorite dark horse to become the overall wide receiver one this year? And our pick was Drake London.

You know, no one averaged more fantasy points than Drake London, the final three weeks of the season, you know, with Michael Pennix behind center. he was tied with two other wide receivers that for that three week span 39% target share you know Yeah, it's ridiculous. And the area yard share was like absurd as well. Oh, the first read rates were through the roof. I mean, the sample size is small. But with Pennix, we saw a little bit more of the hyper targeting the alpha.

I'm completely with you. I had the exact same call. I had Dave Clugie on this show last. week and we did a predicting our wide receiver one running back one tight end one etc and when then we gave a dark horse candidate uh he's all over a chan by the way as well we both work so i love having guests on that agree with me on a chan like a no ball type question but but drake london everything's sort of set up and i think for me that's really the do i trust harbaugh and greg roman to get lad mcconkey there and really commit to we're going to hyper tithe

target this player. We're going to give him 170 targets this year. With Drake London, we already saw a top six wide receiver finish. I like Zach Robinson. I think he seems very sharp. I was very, very, very negative on him to start out last season. I think a lot of that was reflective over Kirk Cousin's struggles to sort of with the turnovers. Pennix, I think will be a little bit tighter with the football. And I think with Pennix, he's sort of the forgotten man there. Not saying that penics to somebody we want for our fantasy builds, but I think he's the sort of quarterback that can elevate his number one target over a longer course of the season. And for us, we've seen multiple Washington past catchers, University of Washington past catchers struggle in the NFL.

Roman Dunes they didn't get started last year. Jalen Jell and Polk could be cut this year. The only one that really was good was, was McMillan. And McMillan was sort of the third round pick. So the second round pick and the first round pick, those players, nobody was like Michael Penix is elevated in these guys. We look back in five years. We might say Pennix got those guys huge, huge draft picks and contracts. So I really like Pennix there for London this year as well. Another wide receiver you're all in on. And this player you can get sometimes in the third round, but he's starting to creep into the back end of round two is Rashi Rice.

Rice was really good last year. and it was a very small sample size. I think the market's coming to terms with what we saw in the first three games of last season. It was four, but the first three healthy games for Rashi Rice before he was injured. We could see that for the entire season where he's the focal point of the Kansas City offense, going to have that very high target share, a great slot rate, really the first downmaker in the offense, a move from Travis Kelsey to Rashi Rice. this feels like it could be a big season for Rice.

We talked about Amman Rae St. Brown. It feels like Amman Ra a few years ago in terms of the profile and the usage with Rice this year. Yeah, it does. And a lot of similarities for the end of the rookie year stuff too, right? Like once he saw his route participation jump in week 12 of his rookie year, he finished the rest of the season as a wire receiver seven in points per game. Like very Amman Ra-esque, right? So that is definitely, there's a parallel there.

And then last year in those first three games, you know, that translated again to the next year, 33% target share during those first three weeks. So like 33% target share from Mahomes. Crazy. Like it's a gods. It's what you want, right? He led the NFL in receptions through those first three weeks as well. So this is like alpha Y receiver one stuff right here in the right offense, right?

Like, like, would Rashi work in every offense? I was saying the same thing about Amman. early on in his career. He's gotten a lot better over his first few seasons in the NFL. But, you know, like, it's, it's really interesting how this is, this is going to work. Now, he was the wire receiver two, right, over the first three weeks of the season last year before getting hurt. And he had a, you know, once he did end up getting that full-time role in his rookie year, he ended up doing his thing. And I think, like, he's being drafted as what, like, low-end wire receiver one right now, an underdog and, like, other, you know, best ball tournaments.

But like in redraft, like he's going like third, fourth round, which is absolutely silly. Like I can't, I would not be able to stop drafting him there. I think he might be one of the best values on the board period in redraft. So it's just so silly that he's being taken that late. And the fact that it looks like to me and to like Drew Davenport, for example, who's been analyzed in this case, you know, on the law side of things, thinking that this doesn't seem like he's going to be getting a suspension this year. so because he's insulated from that potentially as well,

and that suspension might be pushed to 2026, like this is, I'm all in on Rashi. I'll make a prediction, and this is not a legal take, this is a vibe to take. He's never going to get suspended. Never.

Rashi Rice, it's just going to be water under the bridge by that point. And people are going to be like, what was even the incident in off field? So, yeah, Theo, I want to tell you, can't say you some of a funny story real quick.

So this was a, I was at a, I was at like a family event, right? And this was when Rashi got arrested. Like when, like the day he got arrested and he, you know, he had that whole incident. And, you know, it was a terrible incident. Now, luckily, like, you know, overall, like, you know, he was an idiot, right? There's no doubt about it.

It was a dumb move. But, you know, I put out a post on Instagram that. And I was, like, really busy because I was at a family event, but I told my guys to, like, put up this post. It was just Rashi with the news. And then the caption was just go by Rashi. Rice and dynasty, right? People got so upset at me. Like, they were so mad.

But listen, if you bought them that day, it would have worked out. People are like, should I buy them with a third round pick with a rookie third? I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I made a few, I made a few trades for Rashi Rice. And again, like, people who get angry about this sort of a take. It's like, go outside, nerd, you know, like, it's like, you have an opportunity to get a 50 cents on the dollar for, a player because of fear.

If this was the stock market, they'd say, you're really, really smart. But because it's actual human beings, they'll try to like, so like lay off, lay off the upper hand fantasy. That was actually, upper hand fantasy actually made you money that day. I had a league like that where I said, I think it was a second and a third to get Rashi Rice in a single quarterback format where this guy just throws it out there. And he's like on the message boards, Rashi Rice, I'm looking for this and this. I paid him.

And then like three other people send me messages saying, I would have paid more, blah, blah, blah. So yeah, like Rashi Rice, whenever there's fear in the market, usually it's an opportunity. We're not going to talk about them today. But I think you're seeing it with Jordan Addison, his ADP, people are basically treating it like Addison's going to get suspended. If he doesn't get suspended, then his ADP is going to correct. So take advantage of these opportunities when people try to get scared. And we don't know the legal system. when there's guys when there's situations like henry rugs you know what's going to happen but for like the like speeding right even DUIs domestic things you have no idea what's going to happen you're you don't know the legal like the different jurisdictions and for us to try to be lawyers instead of fantasy football players is the wrong move so let somebody else in your league be worried and if you get stuck holding the bag because you gave up a second round pick for a potential for a player that could be worth two first.

in a year, then you burned a second. It happens. Let's keep this going with our discussion, but let's pivot over to running back. Actually, I got one more wide receiver question. So we talked about some of these second round wide receivers. Let's talk about some of these third round wide receivers. When, when, let's say Rashi Rice goes in round two and you're still trying to find wide receiver value. Who's your favorite player between Garrett Wilson, Jackson Smith and Jigba, T. Higgins, and then let's throw. the two older veterans, Devante Adams and Tyree Kill in the mix. And then just to make this more interesting, let's throw in Marvin Harrison, Jr., who routinely goes at the 3-4 turn into this mix.

You know, I find it really, really hard to pass up on Devante Adams. I just think, like, with Sean McVeigh, with Matthew Stafford, I think Matthew Stafford is another dark horse to potentially throw for the most touchdowns this year, too. because you have him, you have Puka, they're just going to work off of each other. I think Devante can have a monster year. You saw what he did last year. He came in and like took over, right? Like Garrett Wilson was kind of on his way to a great year. And he had a solid year.

But DeVant Adams came in and, you know, he kind of took over as somebody who you rather start than Garrett Wilson, right? And I think he's going to come in. I'm not saying he's going to do that with Puka, but he's going to make it a little bit of a dent. I think Puka is at a point where he's just going to produce no matter what. But Devonta Adams is somebody that I really want. And, you know, it really comes down to quality of offense. You know, Vegas really likes the Rams this year as well. I think they're going to score a lot of points.

I think T. Higgins, you know, I would love to grab him. But, like, I struggle. I think J.S.N's probably last on my list here, you know, out of Garrett, J.S.N., T. Higgins, Devante. But I think the thing with Garrett that really is really intriguing for me is the fact that I think he can get like 160 targets this year. I think he can absolutely go insane. and maybe lead all these guys in receptions, you know, outside of Rashi Rice. So he has that going for him, but the Jets, you know, they're not really looking at, you're not looking at a high-scoring offense here, especially when you consider what Vegas is projecting for them.

So, you know, I'm leaning, you know, I basically gave an answer for every single person here. I basically give a case for everybody. But I think Devante is probably the guy here. The good thing is that, you know, I can wait a little bit on Devante, right? Like, luckily he's going a little bit later. than a couple of these guys. So I'm happy waiting, but I think DeVantes may answer. Yeah, and I think my big takeaway is I'm more optimistic on JSN than you are and a little bit more on T. Higgins. But I found that Devante Adams at like that three four turn area, when you get to like the 309,

310 and Devonte is on the board, it's, it's just fantastic value. And we could see that Rams offense being just so consolidated between him and Pooka Nakua. So I love the take on Devante. I think really the big takeaway for me is the more I talk about the third round wide receiver values, it makes the third round into that's a round where I know I'm going to be able to find wide receiver value and I can adjust and I can find, you know, sort of that first or second round running back. And I know I'm going to be able to recover with like a edge wide receiver two pick in

round seven, no matter which way I start my draft. So round three is turning into a wide receiver round for me. We're going to talk a little bit about Brees Hall right after this. Welcome back, Fantasy Football Daily, Theo Greminger with Faraz Siddiqui. Let's talk about Bruce Hall, because you talked about Garrett Wilson, and we talked about the consolidation of targets in the Rams offense. Breece Hall has been pushed down to round four. You talk about last year, Faraz. We talked about like, ADP values last year, some of the guys who hit, some of the guys who missed. Breece Hall was a lock first round pick. Now you're drafting him in the traditional dead zone.

There's a lot of smart people kind of coming out when we get to July saying, you know, hold on. This is an overcorrection. We might have concerns in New York, but Breece Hall still looks like the odds on favorite to not only lead the Jets backfield by a mile in targets, but potentially be the number two target on the. the team. You also have the rushing threat of Justin Fields. Brees Hall could, this could open up more big time running lanes like we saw with

Hall in his first and second year than last season. I'm in on Brees Hall in round four. Where are you at right now? Yeah, I'm, I'm very in on Brees Hall. You know, I do agree that it's an overcorrection. I, there's a few things with Brees Hall, right? Number one, I think the number one thing people are saying right now, I guess, you know, they like to read headlines. right and the head what was the headline this off season is that oh this could be a committee running back approach right and i just i i so don't buy that at all and you know wait for us you don't think isaiah davis is going to take touches away and targets away from brees hall that's what i'm saying man like and you know most people i mean if i had to choose one it would probably be

a jada davis over braylin allen but i think most people are saying that braille and all is going to be a big part of that that that that rotation first of all i don't think brail and allen is good enough to take away touches from Brees Hall. Asair Davis, listen, he was one of the most efficient FCS running backs, you know, over his last couple seasons. But at the end of the day, it was a very,

very small sample size. He only had like 30 carriers or something like that. But at the end of the day, man, that's not what his, their head coach said. Like all of these publications ran with what he said and made the headline something that it wasn't. All he said was, this was really, really early, right? When he became head coach, right? And he's like, hey, we're going to have

a bunch of big bodies in here. I'm sure they'll all love to have a role and you know we'll basically see what happens you know when we get to camp that's that's all he said and then they turned into oh this is going to be a three man rotation like this is that's i just don't buy that at all so i think that is playing into the adp a little bit also his down year quote unquote down year last year he had a bunch of rb one finishes right but then he ended up having a knee injury he just talked about it very recently that he was playing with a knee injury all season long last year um so the offense you know wasn't that great you got Tanner Engstrand coming over, right?

Hopefully getting some of those shades of Ben Johnson, at least some influence, you know, coming over to the Jets. Not only that, Justin Fields, believe it or not, in two separate offenses, right? Two totally different offenses. He was top five in checkdown rate, despite him being a runner of the football. So, like you said, Breeze Hall could easily be the second target in this offense. And even with a rushing quarterback in Justin Fields,

he can still rack up those targets because that's all we've seen his entire career and when he was in college. And he was very efficient doing so. So I just think that Breece Hall is somebody who can return top five running back value. Like nobody would be surprised if Breece Hall finishes the top five running back this year. But, you know, he's not being taken anywhere close to it. Yeah, and Breece Hall's never averaged fewer than 15 points per game. So we have a huge sample size of him producing. and what if Tanner Engstrand, like I always think that the Tanner Engstrand hire was really like an inspired one by Aaron Glenn and a little bit of a risky one.

Because a lot of times when we get these first time head coaches in the NFL, he'll grab like a retread, like guy who's coached a bunch of seasons as an offensive coordinator and some name that we've heard a million times and maybe we don't get so excited about. Engstrand was under Ben Johnson. And what I think this is, is it's a creativity and aggressiveness is, are two things that we saw from Ben Johnson. And I think we'll also see that from Engstrand. I think Aaron Glenn knows what he's doing. This is, he's very respected. And I think that he's going to make, he, it's going to look like a very smart decision. We have a few of these guys that are the Dan Campbell, Ben Johnson tree, including Ben Johnson this year.

and we're going to see how this works out, but I'm willing to bet on Engstrand. This could be very good for Breece Hall. And there's just not enough skill position players for them to phase Bruce Hall out. We're talking about Mason Taylor at tight end, a rookie. We're talking about the Braille and Allen talk. I do buy into Braille and Allen having a weekly role.

But to me, it's more like Bruce Hall is Aaron Jones Plus. And Braylin Allen is like A.J. Dillon. That's kind of vibes. It's the big powerback getting a weekly touches, but Bruce Hall is the one that scores the fantasy points. So I'm in on Hall. I wouldn't be surprised if his ADP moves up slightly. So I would definitely attack those fourth round shares now if you're drafting in the middle

of July. Let's talk about the tight end position. So we'll get Brock Bowers, Tray McBride, George Kittle out of the way. Let's say you miss on the big three tight ends. who's your favorite tight end target and you could take this any way you want can be tight end one it could be a tight end two guys that you're very enthusiastic about at cost right now for us yeah you know uh i'm at cost overall like i think kiddle might be my favorite just overall right um in that kind of elite elite elite tight end one group but after that i'm kind of looking at the andrews engram

tala warren and nijoku kind of tier they're all being drafted very close to each other I tend to wait a little bit past Andrews, past Engram, because at times there are a couple running backs and wide receivers I like in that range. So, you know, I'm a little crazy with it. So I wait sometimes for Nogoku, and if I end up missing on him, I grab Tala Warren, man. Like I'm so, so big on Tala Warren, and I'm totally fine. Because at that point of the draft, right,

you're taking a little bit of a risk that you end up, you end up punting the titan position. And so, like, at that point of the draft, like, I don't look at it like, oh, my God, if I don't draft Njoku, it's going to be over. Because that offense is also super, super iffy. Like, you don't know what to expect. Yeah, sure. Joe Flacco can start a few games to start the year, but they're probably going to move on to like Shadur or somebody, you know, later in the season or even early in the season. So we don't know what we're going to get there.

We assume that Njoku is going to be good all year long. But, you know, I think Talib Warren is a chance that he's the best head-in of. this entire group and even has the higher, you know, highest, uh, rap participation of this entire group, right? So I'm happy with that now. If I had to throw some random shots later, like much later, I'm looking at, uh, Hunter Henry, you know, who had, you know, his best season or I guess highest touchdown total season

with Josh McDaniels, you know, a few years ago. Uh, and then I'm taking shots at the rookies, man, like Terrence Ferguson and Elijah Arroyo, you know, those are the guys I'm looking at because Terrence Ferguson, you know, big fan of his, you know, you know, so I'm at the senior bowl. I just, and I'll give you props on this. I'll give, I'll give for us some props on this one because during the senior bowl, you were very enthusiastic about Ferguson. And we were all over Elijah Royo, Brett and I, but you were, I believe you had Ferguson

as your favorite tight end at the senior bowl. And then he had that amazing combine and you ended up looking very, very sharp on that take. A lot of people were very focused on Harold Fanon that week. People were very focused on Elijah Arroyo. Mason Taylor was there. But you pounded the table for Terrence Ferguson. So definitely some props on that for us. No, I appreciate that.

And he ended up going. So, you know, during the senior bowl week, like, he was supposed to be, he was looking, he was being looked at as a day three guy, right? And I just wasn't sure why. And then he gets drafted, you know, early on, right, on day two. And I'm like, oh, okay, good. Like, this is awesome. I'm so glad that he was being able to, he was taking

early because there was a little bit of validation there. We'll see if he ends up being a good player. But at the end of the day, like, you know, the fact that he's paired with Sean McVeigh, you know, makes me pretty excited. And you never know. Like, Tyler Higbee's there, but like, do they want a little bit of juice there? Like, do they want some youth? Do they want, you know, somebody who could be, you know, maybe a little bit of a third,

legit third option, you know, behind the two wire receivers we talked about before? Yeah. And I think, you know, Tutsu Atwell sort of is what he is. Jordan Whittington is what he is. If we saw Puka or Devante Adams missed time, especially in the second half of the season, we might see Ferguson have those sort of high upside looks in that Rams offense that could really help us out,

especially in best ball builds. But yeah, I mean, I think the theme of the show is Tyler Warren, you're in on him. We need to take a big look at him. I just think Warren is a player that you talk about all those, those targets of yours in that range. Mark Andrews older has had injuries. He's not old, he's not old, but he's nearing 30. He has the threat of Isaiah likely around him. Evan Ingram is 31 right now. And David Injoku, he's not old. He's like 28 years old. But like you said, that could be an

offense that is switching quarterback's mid-year. Some of the usage might change. I like Injoku a lot. He's been a guy that I've been flag planting. But with Warren, I think his role is going to be fairly static this year, 20% target share. And if it's Daniel Jones, the chance for that Taysom Hill role, very, very interesting upside pick at the tight end position. Switching over to quarterback, a lot of times when we're looking for an upside ADP winner, we're looking for quarterbacks with rushing upside, really elevating their floor and keeping them as sort of safer picks than a player that you're trying to thread the needle with a bunch of touchdown passes. We've got a few

quarterbacks going in that low end QB1, high end QB2 range that you like a lot. Start out by talking about Justin Fields. You talked about Garrett Wilson. You talked about Bruce Hall. Fields has been an easy click for me. Right around QB10, feels like he's in a great spot to

regain some fantasy momentum that we had with him in Chicago for me a few years back. 100% man. I'm huge on Fields. I think Fields is you know, he just, he's just underrated, man. in fantasy, right? Like he was QB7 in his six games as a starter last year.

You know, he never had a plethora of weapons to work with, right? Like, so again, like he doesn't have that many in New York either, but at least he has a number one in Garrett Wilson. At least he has, uh, Breece Hall to check it down to. And then he tucks and runs. Like, it's kind of what you want, right? Um, and the biggest thing for me is that you have a team who is committed to him, right? There's no ambiguity of whether fields will get benched at some point this year.

There's no competition. Like he's the guy. So it's a much different situation this year than at this time last year. You know, and if I end up losing out on Justin Fields, there's always Drake May. There you go. I love that one. And with Fields, people forget just how efficient he was as a runner. We saw the rushing touchdowns last year in Pittsburgh.

Those were up there in his starts. But he is third all time in rushing yard. yards per game. And number two is Jaden Daniels. Number one is Lamar Jackson. Justin Fields averaged more rushing yards per game in his career in terms of his starts than Michael Vic than Cam Newton. I mean, it's crazy how productive he was as a runner. And he's like 19th all time, top 20 all time in NFL history in quarterback rushing yardage. I think when you look at it, Lamar Jackson is drafted where he's drafted for a reason and it's a warranted pick. Jaden Daniels as well, but you have to put Justin Fields in that mix as a player that could lead all quarterbacks in terms of rushing yards this

year. If he hits a thousand rushing yards, that's the quarterback you should have taken in drafts, no matter what anybody else does this season. But continue your Drake May enthusiasm because even though they're pretty close together in terms of like quarterback 10 versus quarterback 14, may sometimes falls a little bit later, especially in leagues where people are not elevating a QB2. Yeah, 100%. And, you know, we are talking about like, you know, our strategy, right, like around this tight end position around the quarterback position. And so for your listeners, I do have more of how I approach my, you know, do not draft list

or a must draft list and that strategy. So I actually created a complete blueprint for my drafts this year in like a Google Doc. So if I only had one draft this year, how I would approach it, all the strategy. It's completely free. Just if you follow me on Instagram at Upper Hand Fantasy and you DM me the word blueprint, I can, you know, send that right over to you for free. So back to your Drake May thing. Like I look at a poor man's Josh Allen, you know, big body, you know, who got, you know,

he got all his rushing production last year on scrambles. Like he gave us 37 rushing yards per game last year in his full games. And that's only only, Jailen Hertz, Lamar Jackson and Jane Daniels averaged more per game. and all of them were above an 18% design rushing rate. Do you know what May was that? He was at 3%, okay, which is absolutely criminal. Let's put Alice Van Pett and Pet Pelt in jail, okay? Yeah, let's actually, let's put him in jail for sure.

Let's put him in the NFL. And now he gets a real offensive coordinator in Josh Petaniel's. He gave, Josh McDaniels gave Cam Newton a 26% design rush rate a few seasons ago. It's absolutely bananas. And I think, you know, that. part of May's game, you know, is going to be unlocked. So I can totally see him being used around the goal line as well. That would be a cherry on top, not super necessary. But then you look at the weapons he has now. He had nobody last year. Right. He had Mario, Douglas, Hunter, Henry,

you know, Jalen Polk, you know, never made that, you know, that leap. So he has some underrated weapons, you know, obviously digs, you know, and also I'm a big fan of Kyle Williams as well. you know so given the fact that he still averaged 18.7 fantasy points per game in his full games last year that was on pace to be QB9 he had an underrated rookie season I think he has a chance of surprised a lot of people you know and you mentioned these late round you know rushing quarterbacks like I was banging the table for jaden Daniels later in drafts last year who was kind of being taken you know around that you know low end of QB1 range so for me this year it's it's may and it's may and justin fields yeah I like both of them as tar I think May, it's the opportunity for him to be a one-man gang type usage, like a Josh Allen-type usage this year, is there. And I think that with Mike Vrable and with Josh McDaniel, you're going to have aggressive and rational coaching there. So I'm in on Drake May. And with Drake May, you don't have to make him the focus of your draft. You can actually draft two quarterbacks and have May be like that upside play, combine him with, you know, a Baker Mayfield type.

depending on where guys fall in your draft. So you very much in on it. Love the quarterback calls. And like the lot of your calls today, Faraz, give everybody a bold prediction for the 2025 fantasy football season. Listen,

this would be off brand if I didn't mention Josh Downs. Okay, Josh Downs finishing as a top 15 wide receiver this season. I like that one. Is that bold enough? It's not that. It's not, listen, it's, I'll let it fly.

we're not we're not like standing up and clapping i think it's you know i like your enthusiasm for josh dund you could have said top 12 like i could have wide receiver one it totally could have and it's like one more point per game for us just just pound the table make them wide receiver 12 all right all right theo josh downs finishes the top 12 wide receiver now we're talking Josh downs wide receiver one season you heard it from faraz stick with us here at fantasy football daily we're going to be bringing you pods like this multiple times a week getting you're ready to crush your drafts and crush the 2025 fantasy football season. John Hanson is with me next.

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