Fantasy Football Daily - 2025 Rookie RB Landing Spots! Running Back Outlook for All 32 Teams

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

Theo Gremminger brings in Alan Seslowsky of RotoWire to look at 2025 fantasy football landing spots for the 2025 running back class and at each of the 32 NFL teams' running back outlooks. To help you ...win your leagues. Leave a comment and let us know your favorite player value. Where to find us: http://twitter.com/TheOGFantasy http://twitter.com/AlanSeslowsky Join the Discord here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/discord#/ Find Our Podcasts here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts#/ Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@fantasypts #fantasypoints #nfl #fantasyfootball #dynastyfantasyfootball #FantasyFootballAdvice #dynastypoints #dynasty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:14 Scott Barrett has said that this is a transformative year at the running back position. And pretty much every single guest we've had on this show, as well as school as school of Scott, I have been very, very excited about this running back class. My guest today is also stoked about the 2025 rookie running back class. But Alan Soslowski of Rotowire, just how excited are you for this class and how are you doing today?
Starting point is 00:01:39 You must not have vetted me because I think it's more likely than not that most of these guys are going to bust, right? It doesn't mean that they're bad. It just means that lack of opportunity, right? I mean, look at someone like Khalil Herbert from five years ago. I mean, you know, everyone liked him, fifth round, barely gets a shot. So yeah, there's going to be some guys that hit here who we're excited about. But as usual, unless there's, you know, a Saquan Barkley type of, uh, prospect, which we do have a couple potential, Theo.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Most of these guys are just going to get buried unless they get maybe spot start. So I'm a little more pessimistic on all of the optimism about the running back class. It's absolutely shocking to me, Alan, the 2025 running back class slander that I'm hearing from you. I expected a completely different answer. So I'll unpack that a little bit. So you mentioned the Sequin Barkley one.
Starting point is 00:02:32 This is one where like Thorneistram, Brett Whitefield, have compared Ashton Genti historically to a Seekwon level prospect. Now, whether he hits at the NFL level like Seekwan, I mean, that's a very, very tall ass. But at this point in the process, they're right up next to one another. And draft capital-wise, would you agree that you'd be surprised if Genty fell out of the top 10 picks at this point? I'm watching all the mockers just like you are, right? and everybody sees them mocking Ashton Genty to the Raiders at 6, right? I mean, what if I was to offer you this bet? Either he goes to the Raiders or you get the entire rest of the field.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Which side of that bet would you take? Oh, for Dynasty and Redraft? No, no. Yeah. Well, that's my point. Like, where will- For Raiders, oh, so Raiders versus the field among the top 10 picks? No, just will Ashton Genti go to the Raiders or will he go to any of the other 31 teams, right?
Starting point is 00:03:29 Like, you know. I'll take the field. That's insane. But you asked about him being a top 10 pick. It seems like that's what's going to happen, right? Because the NFL GMs, they read the mockers. They see what the media says. So yeah, if he's a top 10 NFL pick, like I said, though, is he going to be Jonathan Taylor or is
Starting point is 00:03:45 he going to be Sequin Barclay? And again, that's a great, you know, first round redraft pick for 101 in our dynasty picks, Theo. But again, you know, that's one guy. You know, there's like there, you, you do a lot of content and read a lot of articles. it seems like the optimism is that the first top 10 running backs are all going to be instant starters throwing guys like vets like Alvin Kamara out of the way. That's just probably not going to happen.
Starting point is 00:04:11 So when I say I'm a little more pessimistic, it just means that like these are just another crop of good running backs probably coming in. Few will hit. Most will not. So I'll push back again. I think that we can kind of meet in the middle here a little bit. We could both agree that there's going to be a lot of running backs drafted, potentially higher than in.
Starting point is 00:04:30 previous seasons with a number of these guys being day two selections. One of the greatest indicators for future fantasy football production at the running back spot is draft capital. Those guys have an easier chance of getting on the on the field early on in their career. So could we agree on that one? Let's meet in the middle here, Alan. Yeah, I mean, a couple of these guys are going to get opportunity, right?
Starting point is 00:04:52 Like you could have said that about Javonte Williams a couple years ago, drafted in a great spot, great opportunity. Just doesn't fire, right? you could say, oh, injuries happen. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, for them to become an elite top five, top six asset, something that happened to like Devon Achan, right? That's rare, right?
Starting point is 00:05:09 That's like not the favorite. The favorite is to end up more like Roshan Johnson. So let's, you know, I mean, let's, let's be excited. Let's have optimism. We love talking about rookies. But let's just keep in mind the reality of it is that at least half of the top 10 running backs probably will never fire for fantasy football other than a spot start here and there. I just think like, you know, that's not a player specific thing.
Starting point is 00:05:33 It's just more of a, hey, this is what's what we've seen over time. That's all. When you're looking at these running backs, Alan, the non-ashhton Genti running back. Certainly, Omari and Hampton's one where a lot of people, including myself, are projecting him to go inside of round one at this point. And if there's a downside with Hampton, if he falls out around one, I think this is like the cleanup round where teams might position themselves to draft him. among the first few selections in round two. So my bet is round one draft capital. Is there another back that gets you equally as excited about Hampton or maybe more so than
Starting point is 00:06:10 Hampton? Like who's your guy in this draft class if you're flag planning one at this point? All right. Try not to make a face here, okay? Because I still do. I like what I saw out of Cam Scataboo. I know that's a player that you're lukewarm on and for good reason.
Starting point is 00:06:23 I'm, I'm lukewarm. And then to put it in perspective for the, like fantasy points, rookie rankers. Like, I'd say Scott Barrett is the highest on him. And Scott is, you know, obviously a really, really sharp guy when it comes to evaluating rookie prospects. But we did a mock draft show the other day with Brett Whitefield, with Joe Dolan,
Starting point is 00:06:46 with Ryan Heath, with Thomas Tipple and myself. And that was a ton of fun. And I believe Scott took Cam Scataboo as like the running back four off the board. took him right ahead of Caleb Johnson. So just to show you his enthusiasm, he shares it with you. So you've got some people that agree with you here at fantasy points. I'm more of the scatiboo around like running back 10. So continue your enthusiasm.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Yeah, it's just more like we're looking for this year's Bucky Irving, right? The guy who maybe doesn't impress you, you know, the testing. I know he didn't really run a 40 time, but has, him, Bucky Irving led the nation in receptions. We had what, like 60 plus his last year in college? Yeah, he led the nation, yeah. Yeah, usually like 20 is my personal benchmark for Kenney past kind of running back past catch in the NFL. Scataboo is 45, right?
Starting point is 00:07:35 Like that's a lot of receptions for it. So again, Camp Scadaboo is probably in our rookie super flex deal. Was he going to be like a third round pick, 303? Maybe 29, 209, like if he lands in a great spot. But that's the type of player that is the buck you're bringing the Tyrone Tracy for this year, or at least has the chance to be. Yeah, and I think that it's a natural segue. You're such a professional here, Alan, but you talked about where he ends up in our rookie drafts.
Starting point is 00:08:04 And I think there's a big group of running backs right now where the landing spot is going to kind of reshuffle things for the end here. Like I think there's insulation when it comes to profiles, like certainly Ashton Genty, even if he lands poorly, I think he's headed to the 101 in most leagues. Omar Ian Hampton, I think with his profile right now, even if he slides in the NFL draft to like, let's say, pick 35. I think he's still a top four pick in Dynasty Rookie Drafts, even if he lands sort of in
Starting point is 00:08:33 a not clean spot. I'd say that Trayvion Henderson has a ton of insulation because of the profile. Quinchan Judkins has some insulation. But after that, it's like a big group of running backs where these guys could move around. Like this is an odd year where we talk about running backs, usually like running back 15 and below are guys that I can sort of cast aside a little bit or look at as deep sleepers, but like when you dive into the profiles of guys like Jarkwez Hunter of of Taj Brooks, Breschard Smith, these guys that are sort of like ranked below running back 10, there's a ton of profiles here that I'm really into. So I agree with you. Scadaboo did, he ran the 40 at this private workout yesterday. Yesterday, Ferris and I had a chance to watch the 40 time. I sent it
Starting point is 00:09:19 to Brett Whitefield for him to give like an official one. But I think you're talking about 4-5-7, like 4, 5, 6. Like, he looked faster in shorts than I had anticipated. I sent Brett a message trying to get up the official 40. By the time that we've recorded this, he probably has one. But like the local beat reporters are saying somewhere in that 455 to 457 range. So I agree with you. I think that's a win for Scataboo.
Starting point is 00:09:46 There's been a lot of mystery with him in terms of the 40 time. Now I think we have some questions answered. Again, my, like, I can't claim that I, I can watch a 40-yard dash time and give you like my eyeball timing. But I was like, he doesn't look slow. So that was a good one with Scataboo. You know, you're talking about like those top prospects a minute ago. And unless you have a top four pick in your rookie draft video,
Starting point is 00:10:09 you're not really going to have a crack at those guys. It's like, you know, either you get one of those players or you have to trade up for them. And trading up is so inefficient, right? Like there's, it's almost never makes sense, right? fantasy players are too smart to give you a good deal. So you have to start thinking about the players that are available to anyone, right? Like most people watching this, they might have like the 107 or the 110 or maybe they spent their first round pick in season to get some instant production like on a James Connor type.
Starting point is 00:10:39 But now they need to start backloading and find those players. So if you have basically any pick in the second round, the players that you named, I love all those high upside running backs. after the outside the top 10 and scataboo are the ones that are going to be available to you now nobody knew bucky irving and tyrone tracy last year were going to be good right that's why they went in the fourth round for rookie drafts right maybe like the third round in some cases but it's if people knew they were going to be good they would have gone in the second round so it's trying to figure out those those players right now that definitely have um you know some some warts on them
Starting point is 00:11:14 or aren't the elite guys that because a couple of those guys are going to be the ones that we want in fantasy football. Yeah, and just to give you a general idea of the marketplace, if you're like a redraft rancor or a best ball rancor, and maybe Dynasty is not what you're playing, these running backs are still being really steamed up. Anybody who's playing formats like Underdog or FFPC sees it, a quick check-in on underdog ADP. O'Maryon Hampton is the running back 15, Trayvion Henderson, the running back 20, Quinn Sean Judkins,
Starting point is 00:11:45 the running back 22, Caleb Johnson at the running back 25. and then we start seeing like a monsoon of these guys. Scataboo is the running back 36, Basial Tutin, the running back 37, Devin Neal running back 44, Dylan Samson running back 46. So these guys are already steaming into like the RB3, RB4, a bunch of guys who were looked at as potential handcuff running backs.
Starting point is 00:12:09 We're going to take a quick break and we come back. We're going to start trying to put the pieces together. We're going to look at the backfields that we expect might go running back early and have an instant rookie running back starter right after this. Welcome back Fantasy Football Daily. Theo Greminger for Fantasy Points with Alan Sislowski of RotoWire. Alan, let everybody know what you kind of have coming out this month and where people can consume your content.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Yeah, follow on X at Alan Sislowski or we're doing a new show on digital television, Theo, on the VISA network. That's the Vegas Sports and Information Network. If you're a YouTube TV subscriber, it's one of the sports channels there. We have a daily show, which actually John Hanson of fantasy points started. It's called prop points. And during the baseball and football offseason, Rotowires keeping the seat warm there from 2 o'clock Eastern.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Yeah, Alan is one of the busier guys in the industry and also one of my boys in the industry. So we chop it up a lot. I'm really excited to have you here on Fantasy Football Daily for the first time, Alan. Let's start this up. So I've kind of broken down these running back back. these NFL teams by the clearest path to the backfield. So let's start off at the top. Denver Broncos.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Do they go with Omarian Hampton in the first round? It seems like there's some vibes there. Yeah, I mean, that's what you're hearing, right? Is that if Omarian Hampton, the good looking rookie running back out of North Carolina makes it out of the top 10, right? Because you see some mocks where Chicago is interested, where Dallas might be interested. But it seems like the floor is Denver at 20.
Starting point is 00:13:51 I think that would be the quote, nut spot because of the coaching, right? Like who doesn't want the Sean Payton? We're, of course, running back, going back to the Mark Ingram days, going back to Alvin Kamara. And by the way, do you remember when both of those Sean Peyton running back were both top 12 running backs there for fans? It was incredible. That was a year where those two guys were just printing.
Starting point is 00:14:12 To put it in perspective to any younger listeners, they outscored what we saw from like Jemir Gibbs and David Montgomery the last two years. Yeah, they were both. those two guys were both in the top six, seven scores at this position under under Payton. So yeah, you're right. There's been nothing but running back success there. And then just to quickly reference their depth chart, it's almost going to be a shock if Denver doesn't draft a running back. Or actually, you could make a case that Denver is one of these teams that should double tap the position.
Starting point is 00:14:42 And if they take a running back, let's say at 20 overall, drafting a running back, they have actually three picks in the, the sixth round. They could take a running back and get their answer as the running back starter in the first and then draft a potential backup late on day three. They just seem like a low hanging fruit for this because right now it's Juleo McLaughlin and Audrick Estime leading this back field. I doubt that they pass on running back. And I'll say that if they pass on running back in the first round, then and they look for their answer, they have pick number 51 and pick number 85. So this seems like a team that we can both agree is going to take one, hopefully in round one. My next team I want to ask you about is the Dallas Cowboys, where it seems to me,
Starting point is 00:15:28 Alan, where if Genty falls to 12, that's an automatic pick, despite them getting Giovante Williams and Miles Sanders, two guys that seem like ideally a running back two and running back three to start the season or part of like a committee that's dominated by a talented back that they add on day one. Are you seeing it that way? Or do you think that this is like a Javonte Williams lifeline place? Yeah, that would be a bad pick to take a running back from Dallas, right? But we've seen them do it before.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Do you remember what pick? Zeke was like fourth overall. Four. Fourth overall, yep. And, you know, the obvious is that they could have had so many other great running backs. Derek Henry, you know, Nick Chubb were second round picks. You know, again, I don't know if Chubb was the same exact year. But point is, is that you go, you take one of these blue chip players if you do see it.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Now, if there's the best player on the board, you're identifying. them as a running back and you think Gentie is one of the best players on the board. Sure, you could take that player. It's always good to add offensive weaponry, but it seems like a team like Dallas, man, why would you just take like, you know, Hampton if he's the second, you know, I know he'd be the best running back in some other classes, but they need a lot of help. So, yeah, I mean, Dallas will probably, they've done it before, right? I mean, that's, so you can't say that they won't.
Starting point is 00:16:39 But you got to think that that would be a bad pick for them real NFL-wise. For fantasy football is probably one of the premier spot. Dallas doesn't have that monster offensive line like they did for so many years for like better part of a decade. But when you're when you're happy, just say it is Omerian Hampton, right, Theo? You know, you named with Javante Williams Miles Sanders. I mean, those are names, but that's exactly who you want behind your stud running back, right? Like guys that have already shown that they're not going to assume and push the starter out of the way. So whereas some fantasy managers might be scared off by those names if Amerihanpton gets drafted to Dallas.
Starting point is 00:17:16 that's again exactly who you want behind your star running back they've also been linked to guys like to guys like Caleb johnson which has been a player where you look at pick number 44 like if calip johnson lands in that role at 44 that's like the Caleb johnson bounce back where he's maybe slid down to running back five and a lot of rookie running back rankings but that would be the nuts landing spot really any of these rookies landing to dallas at pick 44 would be really enticing and there's a number of players that could land to them in the third round to pick number 76. But I'll throw this out there to you, Alan. If they go a second season of moneyballing the running back position and kind of ignoring it,
Starting point is 00:17:57 they have three picks in round five. They could take one or two running backs there and hope to kind of strike gold on a Tyrone Tracy type outcome with a back there that could challenge the current hierarchy. I think that's also sort of a possibility. my question to you would be if Dallas drafts Omarian Hampton at 12, where are you taking him in redraft leagues? I mean, I would think that he'd steam into the top 15. Yeah, people are going to be excited about him for good reason,
Starting point is 00:18:27 like, you know, because that Dallas landing spot has always been a coveted one. But he probably should go in our like best ball drafts or in redraft like round four, right, round five. He won't. He'll go higher. He'll be, you know, people are going to be excited to draft him in round three, Theo. but I, you know, and I could even see and get it even higher, right, especially when if we're going to see nowadays on social media where you see like he breaks a run and then just shoots them all way up like a full round. So probably, you know, it should be round four, round five, but that's not how fantasy football works in the social media era.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Yeah, and the next team on this list. And again, this is not really an order. It's kind of an order, but it's really a tier of teams with a very clear path to an RB1. the Las Vegas Raiders, Rahim Mostert was signed this offseason, 32 years old and a very, very cheap deal. This is a team where they've been projected to draft Genty. We both said that this is sort of the Vegas favorite right now to select him. Could a team jump them? Sure.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Could they choose to go elsewhere at six overall? 100%. But if they pass on Genti in the first round, they have pick number 37. Chip Kelly was just the Ohio State offensive coordinator. Trayvion Henderson and Quinshan Judkins right there, Alan. That might be a potential fit where a guy that has familiarity and success in Chip Kelly's system, who knows what's going on behind closed doors because Vegas could draft and really the best player available at six overall. They could take Mason Graham defensive tackle from Michigan.
Starting point is 00:20:06 They could take Jade Barron. They could make a move up and get. a Travis Hunter or an Abdul Carter and still potentially have pick number 37. Your thoughts on the Raiders, I know you mentioned Gentie, but how about one of those other two guys landing there at 37? Let me ask you, if they're on the clock at six and Genties there and Shadur Sanders is there, what do you think they would do? That's a really interesting one.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Because that's possible, by the way. That is a possibility. I think with the Gino Smith, like it's about their conviction on Shadur. Like we've heard rumblings at Vegas really like Shadur, but they still made the trade for Gino. So I feel like they're almost like the chips have been pushed in. Well, let me ask this, you know, I mean, there's no way Pete Carroll would ever sign a quarterback to multi-year deal and then just draft a rookie and have him start. That would never happen. Oh, wait, it already has happened.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Remember Matt Flynn? Remember Russell Wilson? So it's not like this specific coach doesn't already have a history of doing something like this. That's a very, very interesting one. Certainly the Matt Flynn, Russell Wilson era. Matt Flynn was a little bit more of a projection, a little less sample size than Gino. And of course, the Pete Carroll Gino connection there would even make this a crazier story. But yeah, that's an interesting way of putting it.
Starting point is 00:21:24 But I think that Raiders, this is one of the teams we really want to get a running back. I have enthusiasm about the Chip Kelly offense and the potential for really a high-octane attack. Let's talk about the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland Browns. Just before you move on, Henderson in that second round to the Raiders is like he might move up to the number two running back spot in fantasy. Henderson at number two with that sort of pathway towards receptions where he might be the best like receiving profile back in this class.
Starting point is 00:21:58 I agree with you, Alan. That's sort of like the good nuts spots. Judkins, I think, would be one where people would be satisfied with the spot, but it's not like he would break through tier. with that spot. Henderson, I think people get a little bit more excited about. Henderson, I think, has the fantasy community really, really, really stoked as sort of a Jamir Gibbs light type profile that if he hits, he could really, really hit. And certainly, we like the idea that Brock Bowers is going to be this massive target guy.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Jacoby Myers will probably get something similar to last year, but you still have all these available targets in Vegas. The running back being the number three leading receiver is very much in the cards here, and that could lead to even more fantasy success. So we like that one. Cleveland Browns, Cleveland Browns pick number two overall. There's been a little bit of question marks as to are they going with a quarterback? Are they going with Abdul Carter? But anyway, you cut it, one of those two guys I think is gone at two. I don't think they trade down. But pick number 33, this is a team where it seems to me Cleveland's going to end up with their starting running back on day two. Because
Starting point is 00:23:06 this is a team Allen that has pick number 33 so they could potentially stay in state, draft the Trayvion Henderson, draft the Quinchan Judkins, draft a Caleb Johnson, or they have pick number 67 and pick number 94. Guys like Bachel Tutin, guys like RJ Harvey,
Starting point is 00:23:24 guys like DJ Giddins at 94 could be there. Scataboo could be there at 94. This is a interesting team with a very clear pathway. And I'll add this. they also have picked number 104, which is super early fourth round pick. So like to me, do we see Cleveland address their running back spot and sign somebody or excuse me, and draft somebody early on day two? Or do you think this is one where they could wait a little bit and address other needs?
Starting point is 00:23:54 I think the second thing that you said there. I think one of that round four pick that you identified, pick 104, like Ali Gordon, right? Like who's going to be the next Nick Chub replacement, the big banging? December, cold weather. We don't want our quarterback having to throw 43 times when it's freezing cold. Who can who can basically be a banger with some juice? And that seems like an Ali Gordon spot in round four. Let's keep this going.
Starting point is 00:24:21 The other team that's being looked at as a potential Ashton Genty landing spot is the Chicago Bears picked at number 10 overall. Chicago also has two picks in the early second round. So they've got pick number 39, pick number 41, no fourth round pick, but they have a relatively early third round pick at pick number 72. This has been sort of the dream for many fantasy managers when looking at open spots. D'Andre Swift is there. Roshan Johnson is sort of like a meme at this point, Alan.
Starting point is 00:24:53 He's had some success, but he's never really hit for the Roshan Johnson believers out there in fantasy. And you get the new regime. Ben Johnson had an incredible amount of success. as Detroit's offensive coordinator, getting running back production, not only out of Jemir Gibbs and David Montgomery, but he also had the Jamal Williams season, where Jamal Williams had the incredible amount of touchdown scores.
Starting point is 00:25:19 And in that same year, D'Andre Swift gave you RB2 production. So this has been a coach that's produced two running backs, giving you running back to or better production in every single season. It seems like it's almost the nuts landing spot. if Genties gone, do they consider Hampton at 10? And if not, do you think Chicago is going to use one of those two second round picks on their running back? Or is this a team that I have a little bit there with Swift and Rochon, maybe I'll wait and just draft somebody like in round five. What's your vibes right now with Chicago?
Starting point is 00:25:52 No running back. Remember, we're fast forwarding to the end of the movie where Ben Johnson made Jemir Gibbs and David Montgomery, this plug-and-play high-upside fantasy point scoring machine. We forget a couple years earlier that Ben Johnson knows they drafted Pene Soule passing on Jamar Chase, right? Like there's a way to do this thing so you can get to that point. I think that if we're giving Ben Johnson credit, Theo, like they're going to fortify the trenches with pick 10, right? And then it doesn't even make sense unless there's some extreme value there in the second round. I mean, you've told me I've heard a lot of,
Starting point is 00:26:27 smart fantasy, you know, offensive line people, fantasy play, NFL people say that this is the deepest, the deepest class we've seen in a long time. So to me, that means you can wait, right? Like you don't have to go early. If it's so deep, if you can get a guy that's going to really add value to your backfield in round four, round five, why wouldn't you do that, right? Like fortify the line, build up the other positions. And if Ben Johnson's this genius, which we hope he is and is going to make this team fantasy-friendly
Starting point is 00:26:56 pinball machine, which has never really been the. case in Chicago in a long time, I think that they'll get their Penae Sewell, whoever their blue chip players before they go in on the sexy players like on a Marion Hampton. So I'll push back. I think that we see, I agree with you, I think that 10 is, I would actually kind of be surprised if they go Hampton. It seemed like Genty at 10 was there. We're head over heels with Gentie. This guy's going to make things easier for Caleb Williams. But I think if if the draft goes as projected by Vegas now. I think you'll end up seeing Chicago at 10, maybe go with an offensive tackle.
Starting point is 00:27:34 They've signed some interior offensive linemen this year. But I think when you're looking at getting things correct for Caleb Williams, this is a chance to get another foundational piece in round one. So you're not pushing back. You're saying, you agree. I'll say 39 and 41, though. Yeah, I mean. The pick where I think running back is going to be in play.
Starting point is 00:27:53 Yeah, I mean, it's possible, right, especially since they have two, right? Like you have that little extra luxury pick. But let's see who's on the board, right? At that point, like, it's in play. But I don't think that you're forced to. DeAndre Swift is still a good player. Rochon Johnson, we don't think is a good player. But unless you're like, oh my God, I cannot believe Jutkins fell here. If you're in love with him, then you don't do it. But yes, you're right. When you have two picks like that, usually one of them, you can make like a shoot for the moon luxury pick. That's a really good point. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're talking about backfields where it's a little messier but could still end up with their starter out of the 2025 NFL draft. Ontario, the weight is over.
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Starting point is 00:29:53 We talked about the clear pass. Now let's talk about some teams that look like they have a starter and it's sort of, I'll call him eye of the beholder guys. Tyrone Tracy last year for New York took a huge step forward. I was definitely one that was sort of pounding the table for people to add him off the waiver wire. He ended up hitting. I have a ton of exposure to him in Dynasty. And also he's a guy that I've been unafraid to select in early bestball drafts. Tracy, though, there's a number of things with his profile that scream New York could look to add competition or add his replacement.
Starting point is 00:30:27 He's older. He was a round three guy. He had a few fumbles last year. And last year he took over for Devin Singletary. Singletary was a guy that looked like he was signed to quickly signed to replace Saquan Barclay. And then of course he was taken over by Tracy. So kind of the comfort level with Tracy is eye of the beholder right now for fantasy managers. And then on the flip side, Jalen Warren. Jalen Warren, we've been sort of waiting for this opportunity in Pittsburgh. Warren has one RB2 season under his belt two seasons ago, had decent production to end last season. Which of these two guys are you the most worried for, or is it both of them during the course of the NFL draft?
Starting point is 00:31:10 Jalen Warren or Tyrone Tracy, who would you sort of rather have on your roster right now, Alan? Did I hear you call Tyrone Tracy old at 25 years old? Did you... Older. Older than, like, like, let's say Tracy, Tracy hitting, and again, I've talked about this before with you. In Dynasty, I don't, I don't care if they're an older prospect.
Starting point is 00:31:30 I love R.J. Harvey. But I think it's just, it's an untraditional year two back in terms of his age. Brian Daibel and Joe Shane had a lot of problems on the Giants. Tyrone Tracy wasn't one of the problems. That was actually one of the bright spots for them, right? That's one of the guys they actually trust. Now, if you drafted Tyrone Tracy and your rookie drafter in best ball, best ball price is getting up there.
Starting point is 00:31:54 like fifth, six rounds, something like that. So Tracy's, I'd say Tracy is one that the closer we get to the NFL draft, it's like the marketplace is starting to get a little nervous. So he's actually in a range where I'd say he's a more of an RB3 than an RB2, which is a little bit lower in some of these formats for which round. Yeah, I mean, so what is that? That's like, you're saying he's like six or seventh round. I have to look at the best balls that I've done.
Starting point is 00:32:19 I've never drafted him. So that makes sense. But yeah, he's one of the players, that typical dead zone running back, right, where he looks like he's all lined up to be the lead back, even if they draft somebody, the Giants, right? Like Tyrone Tracy's not going to get replaced. He's going to be a complimentary player. It's Devin Singletary who's likely to be replaced, right?
Starting point is 00:32:39 He's the guy that got jumped by a rookie last year for a player that they pick. Tracy, you know, has the past catching upside as far as, like, what he did in college, right? He was a receiver. So they haven't really unlocked that part of Tracy's game yet. you could see, I mean, Tyrone Tracy is not going to be a workhorse top 10 running back over the course of a season. He's going to be a nice complimentary plug-and-play player that probably doesn't have a lot of touchdown equity if they draft a bigger back, which like a Caleb Johnson in round three if he falls. I mean, you know, I know you're projecting him to be a round two. But I think that I think we can almost like pencil in.
Starting point is 00:33:14 But Tracy's price already says that he's going to get a backfield made. If he didn't, if we knew the Giants were like, this is Tyrone Tracy's back wheel, he'd be. around two pick, around three pick, right? I mean, it's already baked in that he's going to get, you know, he's probably what, penciled in for 14 touches a game. He's not an 18 touch player. So anything over that, Theo, you're probably expecting too much. So, yeah, I would expect Tracy to get some backfield complimentary play,
Starting point is 00:33:37 not necessarily replaced. Yeah, and I'd say the danger zone for Tracy, maintaining value, you're right. If another back comes in on day three, then I think that Tracy's going to be in this position where, he's the lead back where certainly Singletary or a rookie could work in. But I circled two picks for New York. Picks number 65 and picks number 99 in the third round.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Those would be troublesome just based on the quality of the class. And they'd be drafting a player two rounds ahead of where they drafted Tracy. Jalen Warren's interesting though, Alan, because you have Pittsburgh lacks a second round pick. So they only have their first rounder and their third rounder. this has been a team where there's still some people projecting them where they might be a potential Hampton landing spot. But just with the lack of picks, it seems like they might not go in that direction. I still worry a lot about Warren. He's a sale for me.
Starting point is 00:34:33 So those guys are pretty obvious. Sell for what, though? Sell for what? Like you say, sell them. But do you think there's optimism? I take a second round pick for Joan Warren. You would take 2.11 for him, 2.11? I probably would want to squeeze a little more than 2.11.
Starting point is 00:34:47 but I've had a deal the other day in FFPC and a 750 where I moved Cole Commet and Jalen Warren and I got back like the 206 and a random 2026 seconds. So like that's for Cole Commet and him and a tight end premium commit. So it's still like a like that's a sort of deal I'd be willing to take. And again, I have Warren shares. So it's not like I'd be without. I just think that when it comes to Warren, this is the clearest path. There's going to be a crowdedness there potentially.
Starting point is 00:35:15 we saw how much of a split it was at times with him and Harris. I don't know. And we've had sort of a, Arthur Smith did have the court, the Cordero Patterson year where he finished as an RB1. So there's been a sort of non-Belco finishes an RB1 under Arthur Smith, but it just doesn't seem like the narrative. But my question for you is Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Kansas City has Pacheco back. And whatever you think of Pajeko, certainly when he came back from injury, sort of the role was completely different than pre- injury last year. Kareem Hunt is back, who had his moments last year, but is super old. And then they acquire Elijah Mitchell, Elijah Mitchell, who at one point was an RB2 as a rookie, I couldn't stay healthy in San Francisco, certainly behind the Jordan Mason's, Isaac Arendos, if he would have been brought back. But he lands in sort of a landing spot where people are now
Starting point is 00:36:09 sort of interested. It seems to me like it's three cheap veterans there. And Kansas City is a sneaky team to add a back in this class. Your thoughts on that, Alan. Yeah, I like that you brought up Elijah Mitchell, too, because it's so obvious right now that like week nine or whatever it is, like there's, he's going to be the, you push all your chips in bidding, right? In redraft Theo, like he'll get, Elijah Mitchell will have a week where Kareem Hunt is dinged up, you know, Pacheco's out and he's the clear number one player.
Starting point is 00:36:38 So it's one week. You push the chips into win that week. That's great. But yeah, I think Kansas City probably looking if they're going to make that pick either round four, right, which you know what? Let me take that back. Where did they get Isaiah Pacheco, round seven, right? They, you know, so Kareem Hunt was off the scrap heap when no one wanted him, right? And when he was drafted?
Starting point is 00:36:58 It was what, round five or something like? When was Kareem Hunt drafted originally? Something like that. So Kansas City has this history, Theo, of undrafted, free agent, late round picks. So I would say, like you said, they have limited number of picks. I can't see them doing it in the top four rounds. So Kansas City, I'll say this for Kansas City. Like I think this is one where the Super Bowl was sort of an eye opener for them.
Starting point is 00:37:24 They've addressed the offensive tackle position this offseason. So I still think pick number 31 is if you watch the Super Bowl, how could you not project that to be an offensive lineman if there's an appealing one available? By way, I'll throw this. Real quick, Kareem Hunt drafted in the third round, 86 overall in two. 2017. So Toledo, Toledo mudheds. So, or excuse me, not Toledo mudheads. That's a, it's a minor league team. Toledo Rockets. Shout out to, shout out to the Toledo community, listening to the show. No insult to Maction here ever. Kareem Hunt certainly also was good last
Starting point is 00:37:59 year. But I'll say they have those two third round picks. And they have pick number 63, which is the very end of the second round. I wouldn't be shocked if Kansas City, it just adds a back there, Alan, and gets a really talented one because they have, it's almost like a luxury pick for them that pick number 66. So they have three picks on day two. They could use one of these pick picks to add a running back and certainly one with explosion and speed. They did that with Pacheco, but potentially for a guy like Bachel Tutin in state with DJ Giddens, I'll also throw out that one 30, pick number 133 in round four. There's probably going to be a little bit of familiarity in the building when it comes to Devin Neal, a very highly productive back at Kansas.
Starting point is 00:38:48 So I'll just throw a couple of those guys out there. Scatibu. Skataboo, absolutely. Yeah. Pick number 95 for Scatibu. Yeah. Would you like him? Would you like him more than you do now if he was there? 100%.
Starting point is 00:38:59 If you put Scatabu with, you put Scatabu with Andy Reid in that profile as a back who can catch and he can also run and the potentially being boxed out. Like when we mentioned Kareem, we mentioned Elijah Mitchell and we mentioned Pacheco. There's not like a Jerich McKinnon in that backfield that is like a quote unquote pass catching back. Scataboo, there's been some people saying it's sort of like manufactured receiving there. He's not like a pure route runner and all that. But I think even in a dump off role in that offense, like with a quarterback like Mahomes,
Starting point is 00:39:33 that would be a really good spot for a versatile back like Scataboo. So totally with you on that one. Let's keep this going, Alan, because we're only on team number like nine here. We want to get it all through. One other backfield that's very interesting right now is the Jacksonville Jaguars. This is another backfield where we have a brand new coach in town and one that's had immense success in a short period of time as offensive coordinator in Tampa Bay and Liam Cohen. There's been a segment of the best ball and dynasty community as well as early redraft rankers that have bet on a Travis ETN bounce back. there's also been a segment of people who said that tank bigsby because of his explosiveness and his more and his increased production as a runner last year might be more appealing in the Cohen system so both of those guys have a little mini resurgence because of the because of the quality potential of this offense and scheme but this to me seems like a backfield that is going to add somebody during the course of the NFL draft you're down in Jacksonville what's sort of the vibes there
Starting point is 00:40:37 when it comes to this offense and what they're going to do this NFL draft. Yeah, by all accounts, it was Liam Cohen that identified Bucky Irving in Tampa Bay that this is somebody that we need to consider and pushed them up their draft board. They took him in the fourth round. This seems very eerily similar to what could happen this year in Jacksonville. They have Tank Bigsby, who looks very Sean Tuckerish, right? Then you have the incumbent, which is nobody really. really loves in Travis E.N is the Rashad White.
Starting point is 00:41:11 So if they take a day two, day three running back, Theo, this is a player that will probably get buried because he's in a three-way committee. But we're going to have to be interested in him in our third and fourth rounds of our rookie drafts at the end of our best ball drafts just because of the mapping out of similarity of what Liam Cohen, how they produced fantasy points in the backfield in Tampa Bay. and if we transfer that over to Jacksonville, and by all accounts, why wouldn't he? We have to be interested when they do indeed draft somebody on day two or three.
Starting point is 00:41:44 Yeah, and I think that like you mentioned day two or day three. I think that that's the wheelhouse because you look at Jacksonville, Alan, they have pick number 70 and pick number 88 in round three. And then in round four, they have picked number 107 and 126. All of those areas are going to have appealing running backs. So I think Jacksonville is definitely a team. that I am circling as a, don't get comfortable with your Travis E.N.
Starting point is 00:42:09 Or take Biggsby Hope for this season. Yeah. We saw it last year what Cohen was able to get out of Bucky Irving, a fourth round pick. Maybe lightning strikes twice. And it's like you said, a round three, round four guy. Let's throw out two backfields that right now have starting running backs in place.
Starting point is 00:42:26 But the backfields seem like they could use a focal point in terms of a running back that comes in and just sort of grabs the bowl. by the horn. I'll call these potential takeover backfields. So you have the New England Patriots at 12th, or excuse me, the 12th team we're talking about, the New England Patriots, Remandre Stevenson. This is a back where we saw the RB1 season for him in year two. And ever since then, it's been sort of mixed success. Last year he had some solid weeks. They of course extended him, which I think was to offer support around Drake May. But now with Mike Vrable coming in, a coach who is synonymous with Derek Henry,
Starting point is 00:43:08 the success he had with Henry there in Tennessee. Sort of Rable's best seasons were riding the coattails of Derek Henry. This seems like a coach who's going to be very open to adding a running back. They've been mentioned as a potential Gentie spot, as a wildcard Gentie spot. I know Brett Whitefield's referenced that one. That sort of seems like if they trade down maybe Gentie, I don't necessarily see it at four,
Starting point is 00:43:31 but if they do trade down, I think maybe they'd be in the wheelhouse with him there. This is also a team where when we look at New England, New England has multiple picks this draft. This is not a team lacking picks. There's spots here where they have two picks in the third round specifically, pick 69 and pick 77, also pick number 38 in round two, and an early, early fourth rounder at 106. Do we see at least competition to Mondre Stevenson, or do you think this is a, we need to get other things right around Drake May? It's always interesting to hear how people think about what type of running back should land in a specific spot.
Starting point is 00:44:11 And I think often what we do is to say, okay, who would be a good complimentary piece to Remandre Stevenson? But how I have it mapped out for running backs, Theo, with New England, is there, I would think that they want some sort of redundancy with Ramandre Stevenson, right? You mentioned how Vrable rides the Derek Henry. That's how they, remember that one year. Tennessee was the one seed. They had no business being a one seed. And they had Derek Henry, A.J. Brown and, you know, and Ryan Tannehill. This year, it's Drake May. Maybe it's Travis Hunter and Stefan Diggs. And what happens when Ramandre goes down? They don't want to have some PP running back, you know, because PPR guy. They just want, they were going to want another bruiser. I could see them trying to find. They like Ramandre Stevenson, right? They gave him the, I know Mike Vrable wasn't there, but the organization gave him a deal that locks him in to being on the. the roster. So my feeling would be that, or I would think they would get another back that's similar to him. So in case remandre goes down, they can have a plus pass blocker who can really get when it's cold in New England and, you know, almost like a Lagaret blunt type. And I would say that just
Starting point is 00:45:21 looking at the running backs in my running back rankings, and you mentioned if they try to go with somebody sort of somewhat similar to a Remandre Stevenson in terms of the size, also a back that was very productive in college. This could be a nice Ollie Gordon landing spot. There you go. I picked number 106. That's a that would be a good one there. So that's that's sort of what we're we're hoping for there. Makes total sense, right? Like you can almost see Ali Gordon in that New England
Starting point is 00:45:45 uniform like, you know, wearing short sleeves when it's like frigidly cold out and you know, just Ollie Gordon. I don't know, man. You saw him up close at Senior Bowl. To me that he does actually just looks different than everybody else as far as it. He's got the big wingspan. This is the guy who had like he's built sort of like a small tight end when you see him when we saw him down in Mobile. So yeah, this has been a guy where Brett Whitefield and I think might be higher than
Starting point is 00:46:11 Brett likes him also. Brett likes him also. Brett likes Ollie Gordon. But it's sort of like there's some in the community that want to be extremely punitive for him for the production dip in 2024 versus his 2020 three season. But he's sort of one of these guys where there's a certain like level where I don't think he'll fall past in the NFL. and in round four, he seems like that kind of back where if he falls out of day two,
Starting point is 00:46:35 somebody will clean him up in round four. He's very similar to a lot of the range guys we saw in round four last year. Yeah, it just seems like a player that NFL teams are going to want on their roster, right? Like this big monster that could just run people over. And I don't know, you think, I guess NFL teams are looking at production,
Starting point is 00:46:52 but I think they're going, oh, he fell off from this year. So he stinks. It's like there's so many reasons production can fall off. Ali Gordon, he might not get out of round three. but if he is like one of these, you know, round four, round five backs, I mean, Remandre Stephen, we talked about redundancy there. Ramadre Stephen was drafted in the fifth round. Yeah, no, you're right about that.
Starting point is 00:47:11 And then the one team, this is, you can take this as a yes or no, kind of a quick, quick response one, Tennessee Titans, because right here we have Tai She Spears and Tony Pollard. Last year they signed Pollard as a free agent. He was successful. And then he goes down to the end of the season and Taijay Spears was very, very productive to end the year. Do you think that they're looking at this backfield and saying, this is fine.
Starting point is 00:47:34 We're going to go into the season with these two guys and we're going to write it out. Or is this a team where they're like, this is a great running back group and a deep running back group. Let's add some competition here. Sort of how comfortable should Tony Pollard and Tijey Spears managers be that they've got the starter and the backup or a quote unquote committee backfield lockdown heading into the NFL draft? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:56 When you're talking about it's terms of fantasy football, like those guys don't really cost much. So it's like, you know, when you take them, you know there's risk. But I don't see Tennessee Titans, man, taking, using a premium pick on, I mean, they have those two guys who are very capable of holding down the backfield. They have a lot of other issues here unless some amazing value at the running back position like falls down. Like say Damien Martinez, right? Like that's a player that they could add in the fifth or sixth round. Sure.
Starting point is 00:48:23 It's in play. But I don't, I can't see Tennessee being proactive about adding a running back with. with two veterans that know the playbook there already. I think for me it's sort of a big board thing where if there's some running back that they say this guy's perfect for our system and he falls to an arrange, they'd say it doesn't matter. It's really best player available despite us having two functional running backs right now. So that's an interesting one.
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Starting point is 00:49:26 Fantasy Football Daily, Theo Greminger with Alan Soslowski. Talking about Chase Brown. Chase Brown last year, Awesome. Averaged over 15 points per game. And when you look at his production in a backloaded over the second half of the season, there were a few running backs that were even in the conversation for the type of ADP return that Chase Brown gave you, Alan. This was a back that survived the early portion of the offseason. Samajai P. Ryan was signed. Really a poor, poor man's version of what you can do with Chase Brown now in terms of usage. And like you see, a player that can do some of the same things, but in a really, really lower sense,
Starting point is 00:50:08 Chase, this seems like a team that's going to end up with a running back just based on their depth chart. Do you think this is a danger zone for Chase Brown where you're kind of holding your breath a little bit if you're rostering him? Or do you think this is things are looking safe and it's probably going to end up being a backup being added? Yeah, I think we're going to start seeing,
Starting point is 00:50:28 well, they need a couple running backs, right? You used to term double tap. Cincinnati is a team that could double tap because there's no depth behind Chase Brown. I don't think Chase Brown's role is threatened at all here, but they're going to add two players that, for some reason, someone likes and his ADP could fall around. But think about, he reminds me a lot of Kyron Williams from the year before, right? And then they draft the quorum in the third round,
Starting point is 00:50:52 and people already wrote out the death certificate. And that was obviously not smart, right? So they could add a bunch of them. of Blake Corum types in the round three, around four, round six. It doesn't matter. Chase Brown is going to be their Kyron Williams. They're going to ride them until the wheels fall off. I don't think you want Chase Brown getting 25 touches. So if they can get somebody there, then get eight touches out of them, six touches, four, you know, 12 touches at the most. That's a good thing for Chase Brown's longevity because, I mean, he's a one of what, five, ten, something like that, Chase Brown,
Starting point is 00:51:25 barely. He's well built. Yeah, no, he's well built though. He's 10 over, over, yeah. Yeah, which is like the Alvin Cameras. I think Alvin Cameras, 511, 2, 10, something like that. So we have this perception that he's like a smaller back, but any running back in the NFL over the course of a season, it's brutal, right? So you're going to need depth. I would say that Cincinnati's almost a lock to take at least one running back, and I would bet on two, just because they have only Somaget P. Ryan there, who's, you know, definition of just a guy may be less than that. So Chase Brown's role, though, is not threatened at all. I'd be very happy to buy, to have, Chase Brown in my roster, Theo.
Starting point is 00:52:01 Yeah, no, I'm with you. And now, how about Washington? Washington addressed their offensive tackle need in Laramie Tunsell. They addressed their defensive tackle need in Javon Kinlaw. And then, of course, got Debo Samuel to play wide receiver two for them opposite Terry McLaren and give them yak ability that they severely lacked last year. So they've been a team that we've looked at as they're doing the right things this offseason. Brian Robinson has been a guy that's had some success. but it's certainly not a back that's that we're saying, wow, Washington has this elite talent at running back.
Starting point is 00:52:34 Do you think that they could be a wildcard team to select the back at 29 overall? To me, they seem like they could be that team, Alan. But where are you at on Washington? Yeah, I don't think, well, I don't have Washington selecting a running back in first. I mean, they have to be happy from a real NFL standpoint with what they have. Brian Robertson is, you know, the thunder. You got Austin Echler, as long as he's healthy, still a plus pass catcher. right so you have those two guys there could they add somebody depth wise sure but i just don't see it as a
Starting point is 00:53:04 priority for washington right like they they're more likely to take a premium tight end if they don't feel like ben synott sin it is uh is going to fire he he didn't really do anything last year that to take another running back uh in the later rounds everything's in play especially you mentioned the term big board right if they if they have a player there that's just like the best player in the board sure why not but robinson and austin ecler is probably a real life, even though fantasy-wise, it's not exciting. It's probably good enough. I can't you really think in the first round they would take Trevianne Henderson?
Starting point is 00:53:38 So my thinking is, you know, we've seen with the mobile quarterbacks last year the success that Lamar Jackson and certainly Jalen Hertz had playing alongside guys like Derek Henry and Sequin Barkley, this is, this would also add a Trayvon Henderson would also add more yak ability. So you, the talent, the best teams last year sort of had a unbelievable amount of talent at the running back spot. If we look at the Detroit Lions, certainly with Jamir Gibbs, looking at Baltimore, looking at what Buffalo got out of James Cook. To me, it's just Brian Robinson is a step behind the guys that we've mentioned. And I think that they've sort of gotten a lot out of him based on his third round draft capital a few years ago. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's
Starting point is 00:54:25 going to help elevate Jaden Daniel. to me. So for me, I just feel like that's a wildcard pick based on the fact that they filled a number of their needs this offseason. I think Henderson could be in play. But that remains to be seen. He can just be like Alfred Morris though, Brian Robinson, right? Like when RG3 was there. I mean, it's good enough. It's good enough. Yeah. We'll see though. Now, there's a group of teams here, Alan, that I wanted to signal out that are all carrying the, I would call these the, this could be a potential high-end handcuff situation. Stanford Cisco 49ers where Jordan Mason got traded.
Starting point is 00:55:03 They have 11 total picks and they have multiple picks in round three and in round four. Christian McCaffrey, of course, is going to be 30 next year. I didn't play last year. Isaac Arendo had some moments, but again, this was a day three pick who couldn't really stay on the field. And then I'll throw Baltimore in there where they got a ton out of Justice Hill, but he's not exactly a like for like replacement with Derek Henry. Derek Henry will also be 31 next year. And then the Houston Texans with Joe Mixin,
Starting point is 00:55:33 where Joe Mixin was fantastic last year. But again, this is a guy that'll be 29 this year. So your thoughts on these very good offenses potentially adding a high quality handcuff during the course of the NFL drive. Yeah, I have to say, this is a very sharp job you identifying, like, the group of teams where we're going to want the running backs, but they're just, basically is going to be stored on our. They're boxed out. But I'll give you a scenario, Alan. Let's say that the San Francisco 49ers draft
Starting point is 00:56:04 Bacial Tutin, a perfect guy in their, in their system. Let's say that they use the 75th overall pick for him. To me, that's the player where dynasty managers would really want to get access to him because the price would be slightly depressed because he's not going to steam into round one. And it could be a, you could give yourself a scenario that Bachel Tutin takes over for Christian McCaffrey in a year.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Now, certainly McCaffrey could come out and ruin that narrative with a McCaffrey-like season and look like he's going to project himself well into 31, and we'll be looking at him sort of like a, like we're looking at Henry this year kind of value. But I don't know. Missed a lot of time last year. And we saw the number two back have value in this offense last year in Jordan Mason. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:56:52 For me, Alan, I think that's a really interesting one. The road is littered with bad third round running back picks by the San Francisco 49ers, right? Yeah, there you go. What was the guy's name? Joe, what was the Joe Williams? What was the guy's name? Yeah, from, from, it was I think Louisiana Tech back. I remember this was, yeah, that was ugly.
Starting point is 00:57:11 But, you know, and certainly Trace Sherman was a guy that didn't feel. But it doesn't necessarily mean it. Again, it doesn't mean that they're going to fail this time. It doesn't mean they're going to fail this time. But I'm saying is that it's not an audit, like let's get excited about this guy. it's instant, right? Like there's cases on, it's just another pick. I don't think San Francisco, just because they land in San Francisco,
Starting point is 00:57:32 I don't think changes the value. And if you like the player, you talked about Tutin, you like the player, you draft them in the third or fourth round of your rookie draft or at the very end of your best ball draft. But I don't think San Francisco drafting a guy pick 75 is a reason to shove a guy up the draft board, is what I'm saying. And I'll say the same sort of argument with Houston and Baltimore, just the fact that it's the recency bias on these guys stayed completely healthy,
Starting point is 00:57:57 where Henry and Mixon didn't miss time. But again, you're talking about backs that are varying ages north of 28. So for me, I think if Houston used, let's say, late second, third round pick on a running back, I think we'd get really excited about that player. And with Baltimore, it would be like the heir apparent, the successor type narrative, where that would be a little bit sort of depressing if it was one of the backs that we like, landing in that range. Give an example.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Who? Who? Well, I'll say if he falls to the end of sort of a really would be a terrible outcome for everybody but the Baltimore Ravens. Caleb Johnson falls to the end around two and Baltimore drafts him and they say, Alan, we've addressed our wide receiver need. We think DeAndre Hopkins has gas left in the tank. We're perfectly fine going in the season with D.
Starting point is 00:58:45 Hops playing alongside Zay Flowers and playing alongside Rashad Bateman. We're fine with that. We have a two deep, tight. end room with Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely that's probably the best in the league. We have the big dog. We have our past catching back in Justice Hill. We've got the best quarterback in football. Let's make our offense even better and just take Caleb Johnson and have the best
Starting point is 00:59:06 handcuff running back imaginable who if Derek Henry went down, our offense could stay almost the same. But Caleb Johnson managers would have just a punch in the gut. Certainly best ball bagholders. Dynasty managers could stomach it because I think they'd see the light at the end of the tunnel. But again, it would be a tough pill to swallow for year one. That would be sort of the scenario for me. Yeah. Now that that makes a lot of sense. I was just trying to Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, finish it up. No, that was it. I just think that's a great way to
Starting point is 00:59:35 visualize it, right? Like one of these guys landing at a place where you know there's a locked in guy and all those teams you talked about, Chargers, Houston, Chargers now with Najee Harris. They paid them. These are all the teams where they're, whatever good player that we like goes there. This is actually going to have the opposite effect. They're going to fall down the draft board. And I'll throw out another team in this in this little range would be the Chargers. That doesn't need much explanation. Naji Harris was signed. Kamani Vidal is still there. But it seems to me like this is a backfield where L.A. is probably going to take a running back. Now, I don't think they're going to take one early because of the Harris signing, but they took a running back last year in Vidal.
Starting point is 01:00:15 I think they do the same thing this year, Alan. Naji is steamed up. And I think we can both agree he's a pretty decent value right now. I'll throw out one other team that I threw in this little mix was Minnesota. Minnesota's been a team where even with Jordan Mason being acquired, they've still been looked at as sort of a wild card picking the first round for Hampton and Henderson. I think that ship has sailed because they only have four total picks in the NFL draft. But I'll say that if they trade out of around one entirely, I think this is a fun landing spot because Aaron Jones is going to be 31.
Starting point is 01:00:48 and Jordan Mason, as good as he was last year, is probably a guy we'd be more comfortable with as a handcuff than as a starter. And then I'll kind of keep this going here. Indianapolis Colts, where it's sort of the, we wouldn't be excited to see a running back land here because Jonathan Taylor has age on his side, along with contract stability and insulation.
Starting point is 01:01:14 But this is not the worst possible landing spot because it would be a clear running back two. and we've seen Taylor missed time in multiple seasons. And then I'll throw out the New Orleans Saints where your sort of sort of thoughts on, do they care at all about Henry Miller? Or is this a, Kenry Miller was the previous regime's third round pick.
Starting point is 01:01:34 We're perfectly fine adding the Alvin Kamara successor ourselves that might fit the Kellynne Moore offense better. Your brief thoughts on Indianapolis and New Orleans. Yeah, by the way, I'm surprised you didn't say Jonathan Taylor's old because he's 26, Theo. I mean, he's, no, no, that only applies to Tyrone Tracey because he's going into the round year two. Jonathan Taylor is still a spring chicken. It's just fantasy football math.
Starting point is 01:01:56 Yeah, yeah. I think that you said it perfectly. The only thing I could really add to it is that New Orleans, they'll, you know, they don't care about efficiency but trading. They'll trade up for players. They'll move all over the board. And I think you also identified properly that Kendry Miller for some reason. It's just he's been in the doghouse for too long. He's a type of player that just could end up being practice squad.
Starting point is 01:02:18 So if New Orleans gets a player, I mean, that's someone that we're going to want to draft and see what happens because Miller is not a player that scares us. That's just, you know, they're going to need another player to go alongside, what, 30 year old nearly 29 year old Alvin Camara. Good call there. Okay. Then I have another group of running of backfields here where I'll call this the battle for the 2024 picks to have their RB2 supremacy. So we had some enthusiasm last year at this time of year, actually post NFL draft, certainly about Trey Benson in Arizona,
Starting point is 01:02:52 Jalen Wright in Miami, Blake Corum in L.A., and Marshaun Lloyd in Green Bay. There was multiple people, including myself, making arguments for drafting these guys. None of them hit. Literally none of them hit. I think Benson had like two RB2 weeks.
Starting point is 01:03:08 Corum had zero RB two weeks. Marchon Lloyd could hardly play. Jalen Wright had like one decent week. week. So this was a group of backs that were all drafted in like round three and in and in round four. And none of them provided any value. Your thoughts on which one of these four would you most like to have this year and which of these four teams you think are most likely to draft a running back that could just nuke this guy's value on draft on draft weekend. Given the fragility of Devon A-chan in Miami, I think, and also the release of Rahim Mosterd, isn't Jalen Wright the most interesting, right? Still only 22 years old, Theo. Sometimes it takes a minute to learn the playbook, right? So let's get-
Starting point is 01:03:53 I'll throw one, one curveball to that narrative is, is Jalen Wright a player that we looked at as a guy who could take over for Moster or for or for H.N., sort of a like-for-like replacement for both? or is he really a Devon A-chan insurance where they want to have a powerback, where they could be a team that's in the mix for like a Taj Brooks late and day three and actually find a role for him. Martinez. Yeah, Martina's perfect, perfect example there. Martinez would actually be one where I think we get really excited about him and also stay in Miami.
Starting point is 01:04:27 I'll say that for me, you bring up Miami. For me, it's still Blake Corum because we've seen like the rug pull by McVeigh, multiple seasons where we think we know the running back one heading in. Cam Acres, it was the rug, rug pole. There was certainly the Dorell Henderson rugpole for Kyron Williams. Like, you can't get, you can't get comfy when you have Sean McVeigh. So those, all four of those are interesting. And I'll say Arizona's continually been linked to Scataboo.
Starting point is 01:04:54 It's in-state guy. Trey Benson, there was questions with vision. I still think Benson is not one I'm really giving up on. And certainly Marshaun Lloyd, if he stays healthy, Green Bay. the coaching staff seems to like them, but I think Arizona and Green Bay are also threats to add a running back to compete with those guys. One other team in this mix where Philadelphia lost Kenneth Gainwell, who was also a really good special teams player, it seemingly clears a pathway for Will Shipley to be the running back too. But again, he was a fourth round pick last year, fifth round pick last year.
Starting point is 01:05:27 And Philadelphia would, we could probably put Philadelphia in that Baltimore, San Francisco, territory except Sequin has more longevity, but a team where if a back landed there as the running back two, we could potentially get excited there, depending on where Philadelphia took them. Now, these next teams I want to talk about, this is where it gets really interesting. I have a group of four teams where the situation looks settled, Alan, but I'll say to you, is it really settled? Buffalo Bills with James Cook, who's probably going to get an extension, Ray Davis, who's entering year two, who actually had a larger sample size of success more so than the backfields we just referenced where guys were drafted before him. Davis had his moments last year.
Starting point is 01:06:16 And then Ty Johnson was brought back who filled a role as a pass catching back. So they seemingly have their three deep. Tampa Bay, Bucky Irving taking over, Rashad White as a, any way you cut it, whether it's a running back by committee with White, maybe taking a little bit more of a backseat this year, or is Rashad White just a direct handcuff these days? But they seemingly have the two deep and Sean Tucker also still on the roster. The New York Jets, where they double-tapped running back last year with Isaiah Davis and Braylon Allen.
Starting point is 01:06:46 Of course, Brice Hall is there. Fantasy community might be higher on them than the organization is. And then the Carolina Panthers, who would be a team where we look at where this could be a great landing spot for a running back, but Chuba Hubbard was re-signed last year, performed very well, gave us basically RB1 production. And then they signed Rico Dowdell, which seemed like a really
Starting point is 01:07:07 sharp handcuffed signing. And they have the Jonathan Brooks rostered heading into 2026. Probably consider this a redshirt season. So Buffalo, Tampa Bay, New York Jets, Carolina. How settled are these backfields? Do you buy into New York drafting a running back
Starting point is 01:07:25 to replace Breece Hall? Like, where are you out on these four? Yeah, I think that this is the group you could just title it UDFA signings, right? Like they'll just pick through whatever's left over at the end. If the class is as deep as everyone believes it is, that means that will be UDFAs that people want. I mean, wasn't Sean Tucker a UDFA or is he around seven, something like that, right?
Starting point is 01:07:45 So Sean Tucker was undrafted free agent for sure. So there'll be players like that. And I think that group of, you know, they'll get a shot in camp. But I think you properly identify that those backfields are mostly settled, at least for this year. Everything changes year to year, but for 25. I don't think those are teams that we're going to be interested in other than if you have these super deep dynasty leagues 30 deep, you know?
Starting point is 01:08:07 Yeah, that's, I think you're right. And I think that the, if anything, Brees Hall is one where if you're seeing, if you have Brees Hall on your dynasty roster, you're seeing some of the most low ball trade offers imaginable compared to like what his production has been. Bruce Hall's been a guy where in redraft and best ball, he's now dropped kind of to the low, low, low end RB1.
Starting point is 01:08:30 I've taken him every time. I've done five best ball drafts over the last week. I get him in like 3.4. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's even falling past that. Like I've taken him at 3-3, 3-5-and-3. Yeah, 3-4, something like that. Nobody wants them.
Starting point is 01:08:45 That's okay. I mean, this is the right spot. I don't want them in round one. I don't want them in round two. I've been going wide receiver in the first rounds of my drafts deal and then just going Kyron in round two, breezing round three. That's how I've been playing it.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Yeah, and I think I agree with you. Buffalo would be the one that. I'd be kind of most surprised about, but they do seem to add a running back every year would just be the one where maybe they like fresh blood in the backfield. Carolina would be interesting because it's a organization that seems to really value the running back position. But they stuck their finger in the socket with Jonathan Brooks that sometimes it's hard to go back to a premium running back after something like that happens, whether that's not rational or not. They're the first team to take a running back off the board. They thought they were being slick. like, hey, we have the RB one in the class, even though he's hurt coming in the year.
Starting point is 01:09:32 And then it's just a disaster. I can't even imagine. I would be shocked if Carolina even spends a giraffe pick on a running back. And then I have three teams that are, to me, extremely settled in in the RB1 and RB2 range. And really, RB3 range when it comes to Seattle. Ken Walker, Zach Charbonnet, were both really, really good last year. They bring in Clint Kubiap, seemingly a offensive. a coordinator that's going to get running back production. Kenny McIntosh, not bad for an RB3.
Starting point is 01:10:04 The Detroit Lions, Jemir Gibbs and David Montgomery, I'll say this could be a wildcard team where do they want to find the Montgomery replacement in this draft because of the quality and the depth and just draft a guy on day three? Like that would be an interesting landing spot because of the quality of the offense, the quality of the offensive line. And then the Atlanta to Falcons, Bejohn Robinson, Tyler Algier, seem like a very quality one, two, and also one where we have complete clarity. Alger can mix in. Algear can be a direct handcuff.
Starting point is 01:10:38 Bejohn, one of the best in football. Your thoughts on those three backfields, are they as settled as I think they are? Any slight pushback on that one? Almost no interest of a day three rookie or UDFA gets signed there. Sure, I'll add them again to the end of the very deep squads. but I mean, Detroit has, like, they're loaded with Sony Viacis and Craig Reynolds types where any rookie they draft has a long way just to make it to the third running back. This is, yeah, this is the three places where we're almost going to have no interest in running back.
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