Fantasy Football Daily - A 2024 Dynasty Rookie War | FT Scott Barrett

Episode Date: April 6, 2024

Dynasty Points brings you A 2024 dynasty fantasy football rookie class war with @ScottBarrettDFB Scott Barrett. Learn about the top prospects and potential sleeper picks for your dynasty league! This Fantasy Points Podcast exclusive has what you need for your 2024 dynasty fantasy football season. Scott does not hold back when he appears on Dynasty Points, and Jakopb, Thomas, and Lucas will be ready again. Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ Where to find us: LINK TO HOST(S) TWITTER FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter -   / fantasypts   Facebook -   / fantasypts   Instagram -   / fantasypts  #fantasypoints #fantasyfootball #nfl #nfl #fantasyfootball #bestball #dynasty #dfs #nflbetting #FantasyFootballAdvice --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You know, squeezed in between two phenomenal shows. We had JJ Zacharyson. He was on Tuesday. And next Tuesday, we have Graham Barfield. Right in between all of that, we have, well, the man himself. He is Scott Barrett joining us tonight. I, of course, I'm your host with the most time of the hands. I am Thomas Tipple.

You can find me at El Nostra Thomas. My fun fact that today is the first time Scott Barrett ever joined us for full tilt, he boot and rallied off of a bad burrito and still pulled through the entire show like a champ and from there the friendship was born what's up guys thanks for having that I remember from a legal clinic well yeah I was scheduled to go on was it Monday and or last Friday something something like that last Tuesday oh yeah well originally Tuesday and that with my fault. I pushed us off of the Tuesday and then for work obligations. We rescheduled us on to the Friday and then you came down with the flag. I spent 48 trade hours pissing out of my butt. It was the most unpleasant experience. But I felt amazing like three hours before the audio listeners. I'm

sure they're really. Yeah. But anyway. Congratulations to Thomas by the way, full time with FantasyPoints.com. That's incredible. Joining us. Yes. It's that crew over there. Hey, man. What a team, man. It started out, like I said, with Scott. That fits the theme. It started out with Scott Boot and rallying on a show that I had technical difficulties on, even getting in. And then, you know, I counted it. It's 16 months later. Here we are. Pretty, pretty amazing. But of course, with me, as always, is Jacob Sanderson. You can find him at Jacob Sanderson. And then, of course, there is Devi Extraordinaire himself, Lucas Gilbert. That's at L. Gilbert. F, just so everyone knows, this show is going to go off the rails. There's going to be no keeping it on pace. I have no idea where it is about to go. I have a show sheet beside me.

I'm going to list the first thing off of it, and then I have no idea where this show is about to go. How long is it going to go? No idea. All I know is that it's going to be a phenomenal time. So sit back, relax, enjoy. I want to start with Stefan Diggs. That's where I want to start because there's a lot of Nico Collins, a lot of Tank Dell, a lot of Stefan Diggs isn't really dust, isn't really, you know, it was just a coach, he gave up.

So I want to start. Scott, I want to know your initial, initial thoughts on Stefan Diggs being moved to Houston. Yeah. So it's a selfish, me first player. You can't have that within an organization like the Buffalo Bill. who are chasing a Super Bowl. You need a tight, cohesive unit where everyone rallies behind each other, chasing the ultimate goal. You need a Thomas. You need a Thomas Tipple.

That's exactly why someone like that joins an organization, like the fantasy points. Ultimate Lunch Pail guy puts in the work, selfless, works his ass off. And that's just not Stefan Diggs. So you can't. You can't. It makes all the sense in the world.

No, what are my thoughts on it? I tweeted this out. I was told by an NFL insider maybe the second week that Joe Brady was calling plays for the bills. They told me that he's not well respected within the industry because he doesn't know how to scheme guys open. And I was just like, okay, like I just filed that in my memory banks. And then what happened to Stefan Diggs? The dude just like totally disappeared. through the first nine weeks of the season,

he had like, what, like nine touchdowns, 900 yards, and then from the final 10 games or whatever, it was all those numbers cut in half or worse. It was really rough. And so DJ Moore, in the one full season that Joe Brady

was the offensive coordinator there, lowest reception share by a mile, still pretty good by yards per game. But Robbie Anderson, and Curtis Samuel both outscored him by PPR, which is just like, what planet should that be allowed to happen? And I was also thinking about Jemar Chase,

back in the LSU days. I tweeted about, like, contested target rate, and like the cutoff I use is like somewhat arbitrary because there's like all of the worst, Nico Collins, your boy, Jacob, and then all of the worst, like, absolute bus. And then there's Jamar Chase, and then there's like seven more bus.

And so I'm just like, yeah, maybe, maybe that's a real thing. Maybe it's just like a Joe Brady thing. It was also, you know, the pass rate over expectation imploded. Maybe there's some juice there. And maybe it was just like an effort thing. Maybe it could be a bunch of different things. But really, I don't have a great read on it. And I haven't dug too deep into it.

I think Curtis Samuel is a phenomenal best ball value. And I'm excited to hear how Jacob would rank, the wide receivers and how close it is now in Houston? Well, first off, I could not agree more on fake sharp Joe Brady. Like, it was driving me crazy over the last part of the season, watching the Bill's offense and, you know, being lectured by everyone about how Joe Brady turned it around. You know, if you watched the Bill's last season,

like they were clearly outperforming their record for the first half the season and just had a bunch of ridiculousness before all of them where they lose a bunch of close games. They could have fired Gendorsi, Keth Kandorsi, higher an NEOC, like they were probably going to regress positively over the second half of the season in their win total. Their offensive efficiency was down pretty much across the board after bringing on Joe Brady. To me, Joe Brady is still more or less living off of an LSU offense that had Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and Justin Jefferson, which are like three of the top

eight picks in dynasty drafts right now. And it's a Hill is a genius ever since. So it's just a top sell for me on Joe. I mean, I don't think he's fine. Like I don't, I don't think he's. I don't think he's he's like an offensively bad offensive coordinator. I just don't think he's like some sort of genius either. I think he's fine. With dig, it's hard, man. I'm loath to ever really be the one buying into a split. Like I generally preferred a few splits as noise. One thing that was really interesting was looking through the profile that Matt Harmon did on Steph Diggs this week. And you know, the bulk of it is that he's still posting really strong rates in the short intermediate areas of the field, his deep numbers fell off a cliff. What was more interesting to me was that he said

there's no real way you can spin it, where there's no like cut off week or the offensive coordinator change where he started being bad or started being worse. He said it was actually that, you know, no matter how you slight up the season, overall success rates looked pretty similar. And it's always scary with wide receivers, though, you know, it tends to be not a slope, right? It tends to be a cliff. So anytime you get a 30-plus-year-old wide. receiver where you get a canary in the coal mine, I get scared. I'm especially sketched with digs. And I mean, you know, typical critical citizen, I literally lost upon digs yesterday. I paid Wondell Robinson in the 208 form. So if I think you see what price you'd pay for

Spawn Diggs, that's the price of Papers upon Diggs. But I am sketched to buy in too much, especially in like basketball formats where I suspect when all the dust settles, him and Niko are going to be pretty similarly priced. And I would expect Dell to be a couple rounds behind them because at this point in time, I think maybe that's wrong. That's just what I'm guessing is going to end up how it's going to end up shaking out. What would sketch me out is if you just look at the base projection on all of them, maybe redraft is a better way of phrasing this than best ball because you get the spike week outside with best ball.

But like in redraft, if all three are healthy, I would think base projection, they end up all between like 13 to 16 fantasy pregame, where you're probably looking in like the low 20s target shares. And then, you know, that's not really winning anybody a championship. It's helpful. It's fine. If you're looking at how am I getting into this 18 to 20 point per game range, you probably need one of them either to fail or you need one of them to get hurt.

And if I'm just looking at this three in this room and I'm just looking at from that perspective, I'm looking at one guy who's already hurt. I'm looking at one guy who might be washed. And I'm just going to pick the guy who has the most outs where like any of these guys to get separately hurt, digs to be. washed. Dell could have trouble coming off with his injury. It's, you know, pretty reminiscent of the one that just like torpedoed Tony Pollard's athletic ability. I would rather bet on that. I also think, you know, the most likely scenario for their week one alignment to me is Nico plays X. Diggs plays slot in three wide receiver sets. Del plays Z and three wide receiver sets and probably comes off the field of two wide receiver sets. So then I look at just the actual season that they had last year, 24.7 targets per route run. Absolutely ridiculous, 3.1 yards per route run. Only behind Tyre. re-killed in the entire NFL last year. I tend to think

that Nico Collins is quite legit. I think Dell is legit too, but even above that, I don't have any washed risk. So I'll be drafting through it on Nico Collins. I don't know what the price will settle on, but I'm probably just going to be drafting him no matter what, because I think he's an exceptional player. And then we'll see what the price is for the other guys.

I doubt I'll draft much digs in seasonal formats. I'm price sensitive with Dell, but I'm certainly open to it. See, I came pretty close with that. When it happened, I tweeted out, that the bills are taking a significant hit to move him and that it's probably going to hurt all three of them like it's not a slam dunk for any of the wide receivers it's just a slam dunk maybe for stroud

because we i mean our own bratt whitefield said that stroud is through the whole process and after he's very god-fearing in his press conferences and things like that but all he's heard and gotten is that he does not take any shit from anybody like he stands on business on the field. I don't think Diggs is going to be able

to pull that shit personally. Just from what... You've got to earn a contract. You've got to be well ahead. Yeah, well, that's why I think we might see like a one and done.

Like, he's definitely one and done in Houston in my opinion. But for me, I think, I tend to agree with you that I'm going to be more in on Collins. And I just want to stress why.

So you had a guy and we know how the NFL treats these guys. Dell was a, it was a long shot, right? he was an outlier coming in. Then he has the blowup games and then immediately gets hurt. And they immediately bring in target competition for him. I can see Dell being the rotational wide receiver like you mentioned.

And even though Nico and Dell kind of produced similarly, like if you look at their base statistics, their points per game, expected points per game, pretty much they were the same. Except Nico produced higher in a lot of the things that really carry over well, first down per route run, first down per target, first read percentage, right? His yards per route run. Push back on that is that Nico had the benefit of a longer stretch with no Dell than Dell ever had with no Nico. So I took, so everything, every year in which Nico played without Dell, he went completely insane.

Like everything I just listed was in the first 12 weeks of the season where they both missed only one game and played together. So when I'm listing that he out did him in yards per route run, yards per target, et cetera, et cetera, that was when they played together and only for, the first 12 weeks of the season via the Fantasy Points Data Suite because I'm a company man. But I was already ready for you to say that. The thing that hurts Dell even more is that he did get hurt and Nico didn't flounder. He absolutely alpha dogged all the way through the playoffs, which is better for Nico and even worse for Dell. So even though he was, you know, rookie really good watching Nico go out in Alpha gave him kind of a better audition, if you would, if anything, were to happen. And now we have it. So the way I see it is you have two alphas at this point and then a sophomore coming off injury. That's how I'm looking at it right now. I don't know how that's going to reflect in the value, but well, fair. That's fair. Okay. That's fair. There's been a ton of pushback on whether or not Diggs is washed or not. So I'm playing the fence here for the people. I don't know. I don't know if he's washed. I just like, I'll put it. This is a lot. I'll put it. This is washed.

way I put it with Diggs. Like, I think it's more likely that, for instance, Cooper Cup is totally toast than Diggs are totally toast. But if you just told me that Cup is not completely shot physically and is going to play 14 games next year, I think he's scoring 18 points per game, like, pretty easily. If he's 90% of Pete Cooper Cup and healthy. But I don't know how Diggs gets there without other people also getting injured. So it's the parlay effect.

So it's like, to me, if I'm more willing to be. bet on old hurt guy. Like I'm honestly very willing to bet on old hurt guys. Because like once you get past, once you get past that, that's one of the ways to get upside. I'm a little less interested in buying old hurt guys who also need other guys to get hurt to have like massive upside. But I don't know.

We'll see where the ADP comes. He has to fly down a lot from where it was in Buffalo for me. Yeah. I feel like the lead has been buried here. Jacob, can you rank for me your projected top three offenses, not from a fantasy perspective, but from a real life and a male perspective. One, Houston, two, Houston, three Houston. Seriously, though.

So it's Houston? Who else? Miami. I don't know. Houston, Miami, and San Francisco probably? Right, right. And where do all those offensive play callers come from? Like which tree that is just absolutely taken the league by storm?

I think Slowick is like the next, you know, Uber genius, Mike McDaniel. And, you know, the most buried lead of all time, C.J. Shroud, my God. The last time I was on this show, it was like week four maybe, or it was Halloween. And I had not thought about Dynasty at all. I do not check my teams at all. That's why I have a manager in all my leagues during the season. I do not think Dynasty even for a second. And you were like, guys, I feel really convicted here that C.J.

Stroud is a top ex-quarterback and super, I'm like, why? He had two good games. Like, you know the CJ? and oh my god was that one of my worst takes of all time he is going to go absolutely nuclear do you think there's any room for for touchdown regression at all or at least interception like turnover regression the other way here's the thing this this offense not only can support three wide receivers it was designed to support three wide receivers interesting Noah brown made me so much dFS money last year the guy was not sketches me out about whether they're not

take doll it you call it's our good as I think they are. Because like I can't, like, it's hard for me to be like, look at these great tank Dell numbers. He's legit without like bumping into, that's, that's, what's the Noah Brown thing hit? That's when I was like, oh, CJ Straub's literally Peyton Manning. Like, like, and I don't, and I just need to figure out which one of these guys are Marlborough Harrison and which one of these guys are Pierre Garcin and which one of these guys are like Blair White. Because like, anybody's apparently speeding except for Robert Wood. It's, it's either that or Sloic is Mike McDaniel on the limitless drug, which by the way was how people talked about him at PFF when I

work there, which there is some concern then that he leaves, but I'm more with you. I think it just shrouds just that fucking dude. But yeah, yeah, Noah Brown was really only healthy three weeks in those weeks. Week eight led the team in receiving yards. Week nine, 153 receiving yards. Week 10, 172 receiving yards. He didn't play for the next two weeks. I'm pretty sure he was one of only four wide receivers with multiple games with 150 plus receiving yards. And then like go on the Fantasy Points Data Suite and look at Houston's wide receivers and tight ends by route share. What do you see?

You see Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Noah Brown, Robert Woods, that's four wide receivers, and Dalton Schultz, all between exactly 65 and 69% route share. Very weird. Like look at Nico Collins. The dude cleared a 75% route share twice, maybe three times, with a ton of injuries to that wide receiver room. And so, like, I love this. Like, imagine their offense last year,

but you replace it with Stefan Diggs, even if he's only 80 to 90% of what he was in the first half of last year, which I'm not so convinced of, replaced Robert Woods with that, replaced Noah Brown with anyone, like, or just a healthy Noah Brown? And so, like, oh, my God, this offense is going to fuck.

Right. So we've said a lot of things. And before I pass Lucas for final thoughts on it, before we finally get the prospect wars, I just want to point out why this is even more remarkable. The wide receiver drafted before all those guys between May and August was John Mechie. Metchy was drafted before Dell and Nico Collins last year.

And boy, that really didn't work out. So that's what this opportunity to do to elevate. I remember the E.D.P. Wars. I mean, it was like. Scott Barrett, Mechie. Weekly tweets. about Nico Collins's disrespectful

on EDP. I wish I was drafting Tank Dell though. I was absolutely not doing that. I had every possible iteration of like Stroud, Singletary, Collins, Dalton Schultz stack,

usually with like Metchy. And I think I drafted Tank Dell like two times because I was a total moron on that. But, you know, you can't wait to have you on here, buddy. Whether you want to not respond to me every time I ask or not.

I'm going to track you down with my set of skills that I've obtained over a very long career. We're going to get you on this program after the draft. Lucas, everything I think might have been said about digs. Do you have a final nugget before we head on to Prospect Wars? I think it just clearly shows CJ Stroud is the real big winner here. Right now he's going as your 103. If he ever falls past that,

whatever you have to do trade up and your startup drafts to get him, you should. I'm still kicking myself in one of the fantasy points leagues for not trading up one pick to get him. And I'm like, Justin Herbert's nice, but he looks way less nice right now than C.J. Stroud. He looks about three to four picks less nice. Man, I kick him myself. And yeah, hopefully. I did a podcast a few weeks ago where one of the three people on the podcast, I had Justin Herbert ranked 26 in Dynasty.

So really that's The Harbaugh, the Harbaugh fear is real. Well Harbaugh plus Greg Roman is a nightmare situation. Look, we're going to take a quick break. We're going to take five seconds when we come back. It's what you came for. This is just the appetizer, all right? We're getting into second course.

Then we'll get to the meat because we love the meat around here. We're going to really dig in. So sit tight. Five second break when we come back second course. Okay, Jacob, take us away. Take us to where on this show. show sheet that you have so nicely written out for us that won't matter in two minutes. I don't even have it up.

I don't even have the tab up. Scott, what do you want to talk about first? Let's talk about a rookie. Yeah, yeah, we can do anything. We could do a macro review.

I already made Tom Matt. I already made Tom Matt. That hits. That hits under 24 minutes. Yeah. I don't know. First question. Do you think it's a good class?

It's like the first question I was asked you. Oh, fuck. Yeah. I don't, I don't think so, dude. It's, um,

I really, don't. This class is sort of... You always say it's a bad class. No, just last year and this year, and I still feel kind of... I was on point. I was like, well, I really like Bejan Robinson and Jemir Gibbs, but, you know, the good tight end depth if you're in a tight end premium league, but outside of that.

Tight end. The receiver's slate? So, so this is the ultimate litmus test year for film versus analytics because the film guys are like, this is a generationally good. and deep wide receiver class, and I'm really not seeing that. With the running backs. Oh, you have some of the things I put on the show sheet,

I forgot. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, I was, I was looking at that. And you, the wide receivers you mentioned as hits, by the way, was not Jackson Smith and Jigba.

It was not Jordan Addison. It was not Quentin Johnson. Certainly not Quentin Jop. It's not Zay Flowers. I don't want you to put, I don't know why, I don't want you to put Quentin Johnston on the analytics community,

okay? Like, we're not, like, like, well, we'll wear Jackson, Max and Jigba. You know, I know,

not that I was like really a big SJSN generational guy, but he looked great, you know, clear wider super one to me. I still think Addison's good, first of all. But like,

don't, don't put Clinton Johnson on the analytics community at large. Like, there were some analytics people who like when, I don't know like Quinn Johnston. We came on this show.

I vigorously campaigned for Zayflowers over Quinn Johnson. The name of analytics about being besmirch by Quinn Johnston. Yeah. Yeah. I was alone on an island against Jordan Addison. I'm still not quite ready to give that up, although I'm probably wrong. Just looking back at last year, a lot of touchdowns, you know, out alphaed by Hock when Jefferson went down.

He's just like a fine wide receiver too to me. Totally could be wrong. Zay Flowers, too. I was a hater. I'm still a hater. Like fantasy production was great, but no player had a higher percentage of his fantasy points come on screens and busted coverage. I just don't know. You still get on a screen, Scott?

You still get one. You still got one PPR point. I know. It's awesome. I'm going to buy him for fantasy. getting into this year based on that role, but it's like not, you're not beating cornerbacks because you're really good. Anyway, the wide receivers you mentioned, right? Rishi Rice, who was, you know, just primarily just a deep threat, big, you know, Mike Williams plus, then he gets the

the sort of Zayflower screen God role. Jane Reed, I was like, oh, you know, there's things I like, but a lot of production on slot phase, and that doesn't really translate to the NFL due to the narrower hashes. And then lo and behold, he had the most fantasy points on slot fades of any wide receiver since, I don't know, Tyreek like four years ago. Tank Dell, I'm like, this guy could be fucking awesome, but he's so tiny. So he like, it probably doesn't hit. And then no, no, actually he's awesome.

He hits so fucking hard. Pooka Nakua, I was like, amazing profile, you know, best career yards per route run in the class. It's just weird that, you know, he's been a part-time, player in every single season of his career. It's going to cause so many problems for future analytic discourse because like, like in theory,

it's easy to retrofit and be like, oh, like, you know, the yards per run was the signal. Everything else was the noise. But then like you look at the list of like who else goes on day three with high yards per route run and like all these and a career 50% broads, spraw, sprobs,

scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, like it's like, so like we're going to, we're going to be chasing the Pukinikua dragon for like five years.

and probably not replicating it. But when weird things happen, there's always a reason why it happened. But that reason does not necessarily have predictive merit to it. Yeah. So this class is sort of breaking my brain just like looking back at last year's class after the fact is breaking my brain where it's like if Adonai Mitchell and Kiann Coleman are superstars, like I am just going to be a full on like analytics agnostic where it's just like draft capital is all that matters.

like you could literally draft the same player in round two versus round six. And like the round six guys out of the league in a year, the round two guys are pro baller because apparently that's all that matters. And that's like all that's separating. Like the only talent gap that is so narrow that it's just. But I don't think I'm wrong. That's the thing. Like I think I'm right.

I think those guys are bust. I think the players I like are going to smash. I, like, my new take. Like I like it's just you like the whole reason why we started doing. like production, age adjusted production analytics is like back in the day, everybody used to mostly draft of draft capital. And so then the question that we were trying to ask was, how can we find a way to beat draft capital? And that project largely succeeded. The problem is somewhere along the way, we like won the war too hard that everybody now just draft off the age and justice production

metrics and so you're not any anything right like you're there used to be a time where like there was an edge to be found being like oh look at Justin Jefferson's dominator rating and look at Henry Ruggs's dominator rating like now we're going to be in a world where like Xavier Worthy is going to go like pick 24 and Adne Mitchell's going to go like pick 26 and I don't know what teams those are whatever they're going to be drafted like the same draft capital and one of them is going to go the 109 and one is going to go to the 204 and so it's like you're not doing anything by saying i'm taking worthy and not Mitchell anymore the market's already done that so it it makes like it's hard to come to this realization that you're less useful than you used to be and i don't say

you scott barrett you the royal you like all of us um but like it's it's made me have to like all like you know when i start for starting running back stuff especially like I was very much not like film focused and now I like care like frankly more about the film than the metrics because like all the metrics are getting baked in so hard that it's like you know go back to basic principles like what are the questions that we're trying to answer it's like how do we be ADP and if ADP is just sort by yards per team pass attempt then like yards per team pass attempt then like yards per team pass attempt becomes kind of meaningless so the question is like the question on like Adney Mitchell is like I think Adity Mitchell sucks like there's nothing in his profile

It's remotely impressive, except that he runs fast when he choose to try to run. But when, but if you get to go with the 203, like, great. I guess the only thing that I would say, you know, if I'm trying to apply some sort of analytical edge to this wide receiver class, what I would do is look at there's three wide receivers in this class that are probably going to be drafted round one or early round two. And Brett, look, here's the problem. Here's the issue with the other side of the coin when it's like, well, just watch the film.

You go on Twitter, and if you just search right now, A.D. Mitchell film, like, you're going to find 70 different opinions, right? So it's hard. I trust Brett's opinion because, like, you know, Brett's done this for a long time. I don't really trust my opinion. So, like, the idea is, like, turn on the film. I can turn on the film. But, like, there's plenty of people out there that think Adney Mitchell rocks on tape or sucks on tape. And, you know, maybe half them don't know what they're looking for. I'm definitely in that app. Like, I'm going to be in a half that doesn't know what they're looking for. So anyway, my point was, is like, I see three dudes that to me, analytically, are more or less the same dude in that they played three years. They both have

plus athletic traits. They have roughly been living in the high teams, targets per route run range of mediocrity where you're not producing a lot of fantasy points. And one of them went for 17 touchdowns last year. And so he gets to be drafted at the 109. And then one of them ran a 434. So he gets to be drafted at like the 111. But the other one has like one little contest to catch that, right, which every time like someone fails, they have to sign a reason. Quentin Johnson failed because of the contestant catches. So we still get to draft Brian Thomas. Also a third percentile. But Keon Coleman will be drafted like a 208. We hate Keon Coleman. He's totally no chance.

I think he sucks too. I just think he's basically the same chance as these other guys. So I'll probably draft him. He, he, everything about him is just poor man's, Johnny Wilson, which I don't, who's like, again, another guy who's probably not a thing because a contested targets. You said one thing, though, I just want to circle back on. You were like, now everyone's drafting off of age adjusted production. If there was ever a year to fade that, it would be this year. Like the COVID year really fucked up things badly for the age adjusted production people,

I think. And also NIL, which, you know, yeah, you're more incentivized to stay in school. So so much for the early declares, if you're going to make, you know, four million. dollars at Georgia. Well, how many times do we argue stuff like, oh, Chris Olavé wasn't an early declared because he went back to school and you got scorn for it. I know I botched that. I picked Skymore over Chris Alave because Chris Alave wasn't an early declare.

And I stated after that draft class that I'm just not going to look at that anymore the same way, especially when NIL came into place. So if you're not adapting, you're dying. You have to. I'm trying to hear about more. This class is like just, it's like, really. really just trying to focus on, I mean, use your time making excuses for the guys who produced, even if it was late or even if it was weird or even it was whatever. Like I just, I just want to

know. Even Xavier Legat? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm leaning into. I think I'm going to be like cautiously optimistic about Legat because at least he's like, at least he's done it, right? We, you know, there's a lot of guys in this draft class that have never shown any sort of production. And, you know, would I like him more if he did it earlier? Yeah, like, would he be drafted high for the digital? But like, if we're all kind of grouping everybody in this bucket of like non-analytics friendly wide receivers, I would probably rather have the guy who had the season of like the 25% targets per route run in the SEC with plus efficiency. Like that, that's interesting to me.

Is the world still full of this profile and do most of them suck? Yeah, I think he's probably going to suck too. The fun thing is that like this class just stacks up to the extent that even if you say all these guys are roughly the same, you have to order them somehow. And someone has to end up going at the 301 in your draft. And like, you know, like right now it seems like Legat is one of these guys who's getting the short shrift. Well, this started as like a macro view look. And so yeah, what do we have at the wide receiver position? We have three studs.

And then there's massive red flags with everyone. you're going to talk about right after that, except for maybe this year's Marvin Mims, Troy Franklin, but I don't know how much that is as a compliment anymore. You said it. It's, it's, I have drafted this guy. Panda, I'm,

this guy's going to hit because he's going to be the first one I don't draft. I promise you. I liked Troy Franklin more when he was KJ. Hamler. I liked him even more when he was named Marvin Mims. It's like, I was pulling this, like the other day, like the archetype of high, AD, low weight, like plus plus age adjusted

production, but they go on day two is both a minefield of sadness and still a small enough sample that I'm not sure I could care about it. But it's definitely a mindfield of sadness. Yeah, absolutely right. But yeah, everyone's saying insanely deep. You're not, you're not really saying that with the analytics. With the tight end position, you have Brock Bowers. We should talk, that's fun to talk. Bowers is awesome. And then you have a whole bunch of question marks who honestly aren't that great. And then running backs, I think you have two good but not great ones. And a guy who's not good, but will be great for fantasy because he's going to get drafted

by Harbaugh and round two and go to the Chargers and smash. And then like a bunch of question marks who kind of suck. And like, and that's it. And like, that's why like these podcasts aren't great for me because it's the bear bad news. That's not exciting. But that's kind of just like what the number. numbers are showing to me. But it's also needed, Scott, because a lot in the dynasty community, which is one thing,

since this show started, we have always tried to be as like more level-headed. A lot in the dynasty community, and it is on, it's on a lot of us. It's on like 95% of us. We're like, oh, this class rocks all of a sudden, like eight months ago, this class was shit and you needed to trade away your 24 picks. And now we're getting closer to the draft. And everywhere in the dynasty community, it's, I love. this class, this class is dope.

I'm happy to have my 109s and 110s. I think there needs to be a little dose of reality because as much as Lucas loves his Troy Franklin's and like Jacob just laid out from everyone you're going to draft from like 108 to 204, the chances are you've got

a lot of Christian Watson's that ends up being Jahan Dotsons and you get a lot of guys that you like a lot that just end up being Josh Downs. So it's you're rolling the dice. I don't know why we're assaulting Josh Downs, right now. That was uncalled for. Because he's going as wide receiver 49. So it's like,

yeah, you can be as excited. You can be as excited about him as you want, but he's still, he's still limited. I mean, I think I said this on the last show that we did, but, you know, and everybody can take or leave like my ranks. But in terms of like where I think this class is versus relative, like my ranks will always be a little bit kinder to the current class than when you think about it in terms of like the base picks because the way I do my rankings for anyone that somehow doesn't know at this point of the show, how I do my rankings is I put everyone into tiers based on their base pick value. And a base pick means it's equally likely to fall anywhere one to 12. That's a little bit better than a mid pick because one is better than six, more than

12 is worse than seven. But I always do it as a year out. So essentially it's like a pick you can't use this year, this hypothetical exercise. So I draft class is always going to scale. little bit better than that because you actually get to using this. But basically, I have all the way down, like normally I would expect to see like the first few picks are probably two plus first. That's certainly the cases. All the way through to seven, I have them ranked as more than a base first and value with the Dunez. I have McCarthy is my equilibrium point of eight. And then like nine, ten, it's late first. I have ranked and their rank is late first. And like the only part in which I think where I feel, least in my ranks where the class is like worse than what you'd expect is in the 1112 range

where like 11 and 12 are late first. I have them ranked as early second like level players. Yeah. But the Cowboys are going to draft one of the running backs and then no one's going to care about that anymore. Receivers going to the bills. And like I still have guys ranked like mid two into like the late two. I have guys ranked late two into the early three. Like I think it's a D class. Like the only place, you know, again, like all this stuff is only as much of an edge as your league mates, let it be. But the only place I don't want to pick. in where I'm, as in where like the name on the draft pick is worth less than the player I'm taking there. For me, it's like the 111, the 112, maybe even the 1-9, the 110. I'm not really

sold on Thomas and Worthy as much as maybe like my ranking applies. But like I still think it's an exciting classic. I'm really excited to make late second in early showground picks. And I mean, I fucking love the first step like so much. Are you talking pre-draft, riggy drafts, which is the only way to do it? I mean, that's my preferred way to do it, but that's like, that's not how most of my leagues operate because, you know, cowards in perfect world, Scott. Well, you're not living one. I think 90% of my leagues are that way. But yeah, let's, we didn't talk about wide root quarterbacks either. Um, I think Caleb Williams 101 is a lie

because I've been in four or five. I think your leagues are not indicative of the general public. Really. Yeah, maybe. Definitely definitely. Definitely could be the case. But, uh, uh, I get a hot take. I'm trying to test out here. Um, why isn't Jaden Daniels, the consensus QB1. I think he sucked. What? Yeah. He has the highest range of Justin Fields in his range of outcomes.

Yeah, but from someone who loved Justin Fields so much, I thought you would be all in on that because, like, what is his floor is he's Justin Fields, who was fucking awesome for three years and held value really well, despite being like so bad. And I think this guy's way better than Justin Fields personally. The James Daniel thing is interesting. I can't wait to get Lucas's take after this because I'm leading into the Debbie. here. It's weird to be against Jane Daniels now because like I've been like on Jay Daniels Island for for years. I've been like collecting Jane Daniels Debbie shares like off the scrap heap.

Like I'm walking through my local bodega and they're like half off apples, 80% off Jane Daniels. We don't want this guy at all. And if I was going to convert him to wide receiver. And then like eventually it was just, it was I don't know, it felt like hitting the lottery all of a sudden when seeing he's going to be a top five pick. It's incomprehensible to me because I like watched him play at Arizona State for years. And I just, like, it's just, it's hard for me to wrap my head around how much he's progressed. And I also don't know that he still progressed enough. Like, I watched every LSU game last year because, like, massive NFL prospects and

Jay Downs on all my C to C teams. I still see a guy that has, like, really good touch thrown outside on the deep ball. I don't know that he has, like, actually that super strong of an arm. and I don't say I think he under through Thomas pretty frequently, but has like really nice speed duration on the deep ball. Obviously a ridiculous run. Like clearly to me, like this is the best rushing prospect coming into the NFL since Lamar Jackson. But like the sack issues are a problem, especially considering how dynamic he is.

Like if you're that ridiculously elusive, why are you taking so many sacks? The issues in terms of getting to the middle of the field are a problem to me. I don't think that very frequently he is a passer when he's on the mood. That's the big difference between why I like May so much more than Daniels because I find more frequently when May is on the move. He's trying to make plays with his arm. I find Daniels goes into runner mode really, really quickly. And then my issue with him from a fantasy upside perspective, it's a small nitpicky one. But Lamar Jackson runs like twice as many yards as Josh Allen does every year and scores usually less fantasy points on the ground or similar because they don't use them at the goal line.

And Jaden Daniels is built like me. And I know what it's like to be six, four, 200 pounds, which like I don't care. he weighed in at. That's like what he looks like to me. It looks like I'm looking at a mirror. And like that's not a dude who's going to be having a kind of rush touchdowns. He played as many games called as Bo Nix. Bo Nix had more rushing touchdowns than Jane Daniels did, right? So I get a little bit of concerned about that where he could be between the 20s rush. And ultimately, if this was last year's class, it would be like I thought about how I thought about how I thought about this ridiculous insane game breaking upside that

I felt about where I would have probably just sucked it up and taken Daniels at 102. This year on Harrison and neighbors and arguably Brock Bowers, there's this mix to me of like ridiculously high floor of how good they are, also immense ceiling and also unavailability buy later. Like usually with receivers, I don't mind bypassing my half due in Ricky Drafts. I'm trying to buy high once they tell me that they're really, really good because the market seems to be a little slow and adjusting to, oh, this guy's not the wider receiver 15 in Dynasty. He's the wider receiver 3 in Dynasty. But neighbors and Harrison are priced. under the assumption, in my view, I think a correct assumption, that they're going to be top five

dynasty wide receivers for a very long time. Which means if I want to get them, like I kind of have to drop them now or I have to hope that they suck, in which case I probably don't want them. So I just, for me, I look at it as like everybody at the top of this class is an elite scene. One of them I'm concerned about the floor. And maybe I'll be wrong. Like I don't think he, like I was being provocative intentionally by saying I think he sucks. I just think he has like a risk of sucking.

I would be stunned if neighbors or Harrison sucked. So for me, he's five, and I'm open to hearing six. I have him in, I have him tiered right now of Caleb won, Harrison, Neighbors and Daniels and Bowers. Yeah. So let me talk a little bit about my quarterback process. For running backs, wide receivers, tight ends, what I do is I write 50,000 word articles and spend, you know, months writing them.

For quarterbacks, what I do is I look at projected draft capital. More importantly, a more predictive variable is I look at what Brett Whitefield's. says in the fantasy points prospect guide legitimately like beats draft capital easily like his track record is fucking insane and then after that i just adjust based on rushing upside which is so important such a fantasy cheat code and uh it's it's interesting we're comparing uh jean daniels to fields when maybe maybe the comparison is cala williams to fields not frett whitefield's qb1 cala williams uh had trouble playing within the structure of the offense, not a high-level processor, two things you would say about Justin Fields. I did watch Jane Daniels with Brett. I thought he looked awesome. I'm really not a film guy, but obviously, you know, he has that rushing component that's closer to, to, it's similar to Fields, Lamar and RG3 and like no one else. So I don't know. When I was watching him, I just, I just couldn't like,

I don't know. I know Chicago seems like an awesome landing spot, but just that rushing cheap. Don't forget. Oh, that's what I was trying to say. Just don't forget. Justin Fields is not a top three pick like Jaden Daniels. He went 11th. And Brett had like a late first, early second round grade on Justin Fields, much higher grade

on Jaden Daniels. So I don't know. I'm workshopping it. I'm not there yet, but I'm workshopping this. So the thing that really turned the Devi community off of Justin Fields originally is he had a great freshman season. 2020, you know, they only played, I think, four games.

2021, 10 touchdown 10 interception season. So everybody's like, all right, he's dead. And then he's going to, he's transferring out to LSU. There was a lot of quarterback competition originally and he just didn't have the passing volume. So why still get excited about him? And then he, you know,

he wins the Heism in the season, puts out a phenomenal year. So everybody's then once again, getting excited about him. But it's to the point, that, yes, I'm starting to question what his ceiling's going to be, but I think just based off of his draft capital, he's going to have a good enough floor. You can almost talk him into being this year's Hinden Hooker, but he didn't tear his ACL. And people don't look at the LSU offense as being a gimmicky offense, but they have a lot of very similar profiles in terms

of how they were progressing throughout their career after they transferred. And yes, they have command of their college offense. We'll see if that's the same thing moving forward. And he does have a ton of like timing based throws. Now, he completely commands it. Very good on him. But I am starting to get a little bit scared about what his ceiling is. I'm right now have him as my 104.

But I can also start falling further down just like you're saying, Jacob. But I don't think that there's going to be a universe where whenever we're at the same point of time next year that you can't trade him away for a rookie one. Well, oh, easily you can. I mean, that's the thing, right? That's the beauty of the Russian quarterback is like you get a free peak, right? Like you almost all like feels, frankly, even Lance. We don't know it yet, but we could be living in the free peak world of Anthony Richardson's career right now.

Like, you know, you always get, but that's also the problem, right? You know, I just mentioned Anthony Richardson. Okay, right now, if you took Anthony Richardson at the 102 in rookie drafts, I mean, I guess it wasn't right because Stroud, but like it's, fine. On the overall world of things, you've done fine with that pick. He's worth more now than he was then. Let's pretend that Anthony Richardson becomes a massive bust, which I don't really think it's going to happen, and I really hope doesn't happen because I would be super sad as a Coltsman. But I'm not really to be trusted with Anthony Richardson six for that reason. Or Josh Downs.

It's going to be easy a year from now for everybody to go revisionist history and be like, well, look, Andrew Richardson was successful. You could have got out after your. year one. You know, stand up, right? Who's willing to put your hand up right now and say, Anthony Richardson is going to bust. Let's get out now. Because if you stand up and say that, then fine. But if we're all kind of hedging, there has to be a point in which you recognize where the train is coming off the tracks before everybody else. And I have some level of faith in my ability to do that. Like I think that I manage that in my individual leagues, like pretty successfully with fields. But it's not like a fun game to play. It's not a reliable game to play.

And I'm not saying it's inevitable game to play. Maybe Jane Daniels is awesome. And he's the 103 in Superflex drafts next year. And everybody's super pumped that they got him at any cost. If the top available option was like Jemir Gibbs and it was Jemir Gibbs versus David Daniels, it's like, oh, do I want a 199 pound running back? I think it's really good. But like how high is the ceiling is a belkow or do I want to bet on this like really ridiculous Russian quarterback? and see what happens, I would do the quarterback. But I just think Malik neighbors and Marvin Harris are going to be first-round startup picks for like the next eight years.

And then I don't have to worry about playing a game of chicken. And then I just want to take down to that. That's just where I'm out. So my thing with the quarterback class is landing spot's going to matter for me real bad. I know Brett is, you know, Caleb Williams is a bust type mentality, which I love you, Brett. I can't wait to talk about that. I disagree.

but when it comes to every quarterback after Caleb where it's May, JJ, uh, um, um, Daniels and who knows like you're, there are a Rattler people out there that, that think this guy should be in the upper tier with some of these guys. I know you do for sure.

But it's for me, it's landing spot that's going to make my decision for me. If you're telling me may or JJ ends up in Minnesota, I'll take them over. I'll take them over Daniels in, New England. Yeah, I really can't get aboard of that. Like, yeah, Minnesota is like a sweet spot for sure,

but I don't think any of them are touching Jaden Daniels. It's just like, what's the range of outcomes for this guy if he goes second overall, which means like even if he sucks, he's starting for two or three seasons. And it's like, all right, let's say he's bad at real football. What's it? He's still probably going to outproduce Caleb Williams or Drake May or JJ, who doesn't have anywhere near as much of a rushing. And then what if he's good at football?

Then he brings a really good runner. Yeah, Caleb can move too. And according to Brett Whitefield, so can JJ McCarthy. Yeah, I don't think it's anywhere near on par as Jane Daniels who just smashed.

I think Dr. he'll run for more touchdowns. Hear me out. Caleb will run for more touchdowns. That could. That's certainly a possibility. I don't know that I see that. And again,

like, I think this guy's good. Like, good at real football. Not a huge level of certainty. What I do have huge certainty is like, Even if he sucks, he's awesome at fantasy football. And if he's good at real football, he's like breaking leagues.

Yeah. Do you want, if you get picked, do you want Kurt Cousin's career for 12 years or Justin Fields for three? Yeah, honestly. So in like a one QB league, if you run the math, like it's not obvious to me that that Kirk Cousins is more valuable. In a super flex for sure. I take. In a super. Yeah.

Certainly. But cousin. Or, you know, you could bail. Like, you could certainly. have traded at Justin Fields for what a second or third round startup pick like five months ago. Well, well, here, but here's the counter to it like on the thing. It's like, we just did a startup draft with you. And like, how high Anthony Richardson went in that. Yeah. And look, okay, but that's because people are like obsessed with this like idea of age when like we got color Murray to two,

three turn. Which like, we're talking about like, oh, what if he runs? And if he's like, and I don't, I don't really know if Cala Murray is good. He's certainly not bad. He's like probably average. and like he runs a lot and he doesn't have any immediate job security concerns and like you have a lot of galls to bring up injury issues with jaden Daniels and then and then your guy kailer murray i don't think i didn't have injury issues with jaden jails what's that i don't think the word even came out of my mouth i think you i think you're proactively concerned about an injury bane for bottle that you thought that i mentioned injury issues and i literally did it Well, I mean, it's a fair point. If you're not going to say it, I'll say it. Yeah, he's built like you, Jacob.

So. And I also think my point, my point is not that he's going to get hurt. My point is that I don't think they're going to do design rushing for him with the goal on. Right, right. Okay. That's fair. And then we also have to remember, like Jacob kind of touched on just because you can be a runner, doesn't mean you run the same in the NFL, if that makes sense. So Anthony Richardson, even though we got a small sample size, everyone expected him to have the big long Lamar Jackson, right?

Esk runs and he's really a goal line threat more to the tune of Jalen Hertz's than he was the long run Lamar Jackson. Now he did get hurt a lot and it does work within the offense, but he needs to not only land with a team that uses it that way, uses him that way and gives him the freedom to do it that way as well. This is why for me situation is going to matter. Granted, he doesn't have, you know, the ghost of, I'm convinced Daniels is going to New England based on everything that I've read. but he doesn't have like Joe judge calling the offense at least so I mean like there's hope there last I checked the market is like literally plus 100 plus 110 plus 300 on the Washington pick so oh okay like Daniel is the favorite but May is like on market implied odds it's like a 50 45 or like I guess more like 45 40 50 okay I felt like may made the most sense after that same

howl trade because they're like good buddies so you just like get them out of there so it's not awkward, but Shefter said like two days ago that his sources were telling him that Washington liked Jaden Daniels. We'll see, I mean, I think we're just thinking too deeply into this. It's like a guy who most scramble yards in PFF college history slightly ahead of Lamar Jackson, top three draft capital.

Yeah, well, I'm really having it to with Daniels as the QB2. I mean like I have Caleb Williams too like again, the uncertainty. That's insane. That's insane. No, we're not. You've been Brett filled. I've been Brett felt. Yeah. But it's like if I had if I had that pick, I would trade down. That's fine. I would prefer to trade down. That's that's the thing. Like if you if you are sitting at the one one. Yeah. Like it's a debating Daniels or Caleb as to who you pick. It's like there's like ultimately a meaningless discussion that the point is yeah. Like if you trade down, I think if that is fine. And I think like when I look at rookie drafts, you know, and I have a big piece that I'm going to finish up this. weekend as like the pre-guide. Like the way I try to look at it is less like rankings. And it's more like, first I just look, I'm like, who do I actually want to draft? Like, who are the guys I really care about and who don't I really care about? And then I look at prices. And it's like, okay, who are the guys that I actually like at the price that I think are like ideally inefficiently lower, at the very least efficient. And how do I position my draft capital around to just get to

the spots I need to be to draft my players, basically. And I suspect that Caleb will ultimately be like an indifferent price for me. Like I'll be like, I'll rank them one. And if I end up at one, I'll take them. But like I don't think I'll be like moving up to one. I've actually already moved three of my one-on-ones. I moved like one plus a first for Allen. I moved like one basically straight up for Jefferson.

I moved one and like a little bit for Chase. And ultimately like I'm probably most interested in coming away with Harrison and neighbors. the most in this class. Part of that's a play style thing where I already like have pretty solidified quarterback rooms in most of my leagues. But those are probably the guys that I'm most interested in targeting. And really, I don't see a mass of difference between them. So like, probably the area where I want to picking out the most is like the 103 or I want to then just be living in like Bowers world, the 106 and the 107 probably. Yeah. I think to me after after 108, like if you if you find value in drafting a quarterback, uh, gets really gross after

that. But like, I love Bowers, love the big three wide receivers. You know, there's value with all the top four quarterbacks just based on projected draft capital alone or a blend of rushing upside and landing, potential landing spots. Yeah. And then I think, I think two to three of these running backs, like, even if their profile isn't great, could smash. It could absolutely smash just because the need is so high. You know, Dallas takes Trey Benson. Chargers take Clay Corum, Giants take Jonathan Brooks, like, okay, wow, those guys just skyrocketed. Benson's the one that interests be the most, and I don't even know that he, I think that he's good. I think he actually might be bad, but he has like enough pizzazz and juice and fantasy-friendly goodness that he's the one where we could have a game-changing decision based on kind of just like what a team decides to do, right?

Like, you know, like Travis Cetian is a guy who like, and I honestly like I still will disagree with a lot of the film people that think he sucks. But like that's a guy where like a lot of people like thought he sucked and a lot of people would tell you that they've still been correct. But like it doesn't really matter because the Jaguar selected him and they've given him the ball a whole bunch since. And Trey Benson, it's like I'm kind of optimistic about him and proving in some key areas. And it also might just not matter. Like in the Dallas Cowboys aside, right? round two, Trey, come on down to Texas, and we're going to give you the ball 250 times. Like, yeah, the dude is extremely fast and breaks a lot of tackles.

And if he runs into his center too many times, but the team doesn't care, then, like, we don't care at all as fantasy managers. So then, like, he's going to be great for fantasy, right? If he goes in, like, the third round, it gets sketchy because I'm not really, like, a talent truther on him. But I'm definitely a truther that his fantasy upside is really, really high. if a team just decides that they're going to manifest him being a fantasy bat, which, you know, there's spots for that's available to it.

Do you, do you watch all of his tape? I mean, by all as in every game he's played, God know. But have I watched a lot of his tape? Yeah. Yeah. So one question I have is, according to PFF, he's the greatest tackle breaking running back in their history, which is since 2014.

According to SIS, he was like well below average at breaking tackles. And so, like, maybe it's just SIS isn't good, which I think is likely. But it also could just be like a difference in charting where, you know, they, PFF is very strict in that you have to get your hands on the running back, which leans towards, you know, heavier, bigger running backs getting an advantage. If SAS is more lenient to that end. I don't know. It just like didn't really make sense to me. But you said you really like him, but then you said you also think he might stank, which just feeds into that. Well, okay, so what I like about him is like in a class in which I think there's a lot of guys who don't have a lot of fantasy outside, he's the exception, right?

So like you look at a guy like a Blake quorum and I have more confidence that he is like good in the sense of technically proficient. Like I trust Blake quorum to read the play correctly, to go to the right hole, to make the right decisions, all that jets. I don't trust his pass catching. I don't trust his speed. I don't trust his athletic ability to be more than a reliable back. And that means we're kind of probably living in like a Devon Singletary fantasy world, which is ultimately probably replaceable. Benson has issues. I think he has a massive vision problems.

And that could mean that an NFL team choose not to play him. But what I love about him is he's like insane in the open field in that he can, create home run play. It's not just on speed, but by eating up angles from defenders, I think he keeps, he like continues his pace really, really soundly in the open field

where there's like guys trying to take angle home and he doesn't stutter and try to break the one guy. He just keeps running and he has these like S curving runs that break into big long touchdowns. And when you add that on top of the raw athletic gifts, that's a really interesting defense profile. Fun thing about Trey Benson's tackle breaking.

I don't know if this is like a typo or if it was just like the greatest game of, all time and I haven't watched it because it's a I normally try to watch the games against good competition. Trey Menson broke 18 tackles in a game apparently against Duquesne. And like if you literally just eliminate that game, his career myth tackle fourth percentage dipped five percentage points and he goes to the 88th percentile, which is still good, but it's no longer like the greatest tackle breaker of all time.

Wow. I was not aware that Duquesne had a football team. Like to me, they're just like a member of the Atlantic 10 who occasionally like beats my March badness bracket. apparently have a football team and apparently Trey Benson broke 18 tackles against them. It's on my to do list to like go back because before I came across this Duquesne stat courtesy of Mike Zoltan, I was like already wrapped my Benson film watching. So I made it on my to do list to watch this Duquesne game to see whether like someone like fell

asleep on their keyboard and just typed 18 by accident or whether he had the single greatest running back performance in history against the Duquesne fake football team. But I'm I'm excited either way. It's just an interesting note. I do think he's like a pretty good tackle breaker ish. I think he's like not actually that strong. I think it's more so that he has really fast and he beats angles. And so people are like grabbing into shoulder pad if he shrugs them off.

I don't know that it's like I would say he's like a super powerful. Yeah. That's what he feels like a Raven to me. I know we said it in Noah Hills episode, but he feels like around three Baltimore Raven to me. Justin is running style and his ability. That's just what he feels like. like to me. The only thing that scares me about him is the fact that his efficiency definitely

regress going from his sophomore to his junior season. And I don't really know why. Like, I don't know what happened with how he was being used at Flores State. Like, the film still looks good, but it is like from otherworldly sophomore season down to, yeah, it's good, but it's not fantastic. And so that's a little bit of a concern. All of his advanced metrics back up, that he's a very athletic running back, though. And that's good to see. But there are also some other running backs who fit similar to his profile in this class that I'm going to be picking up a lot of on the back end,

especially if Trey Benson starts going at the 109, like if he gets the draft capital and he's up there right after the first eight that are pretty much locked in that they're going to first eight, it's going to push me off of him a little bit. I'm going to start getting the people who look really similar, like the Jalen Brights, It's like the Marshawn Lloyd's. Lloyd is an interesting one where, like, his analytical profile is a bit of a mess.

But I also can see it because we get the size speed combo. Wright is one for me where, like, I was really interested in best ball because he's almost free. I think he has some really good talent. I think he's a little bit more limited, like, power-wise than Benson, where, like, he is, like, impressively powerful in the open field. I think he has, like, next to no power. the line of scrimmage. And I just think, like, right, different, different archetype than quorum, but I feel similarly from a fantasy perspective where I kind of feel like I know what he is.

And I kind of feel like that's like a guy who gets 12 touches a game and has 0.82 rush yards over expected. And everybody on Twitter is like, why doesn't he get the ball more? Like that, that to me is like, I'm just like what Dylan Wright's life is going to be. And it made, you know, again, if he gets higher draft capital than that potentially changes what his life is. But that's, that's what he screams to me, which makes it a situation of like, you know, great best ball pick where there's value in getting, like, stringing together these like 10 point weeks on occasion. There's spike play upside with him.

It's a tougher click in a dynasty rookie draft format where I'm just like Brooks, I think has a ceiling. Benson, I think has a ceiling. And I think other guys might have ceilings over stretches of time. I struggle to see like a sustained multi-year ceiling with, with, with, the rest of these guys in the class. Fair enough. And an interesting note, I did a study last year, taking in account the last five draft

classes about what rookies maintain value going forward. And with running backs, I don't know if we'll see it this year, but if you're drafted in the top two rounds, that's whenever you can pretty much do no wrong throughout your first season and get to maintain your draft capital, get to maintain your trade capital. But the third round running backs, you have to actually do something. thing. And it looks like there's going to be a lot of probably third round running backs or at least all the running backs that we really want to see go to landing spots that we care about. So many of them are probably going to wind up to be in the third round. And I don't know if that's going to tell us as

much as we're wanting it to tell us. I think we're going to have to temper expectations a little bit and really draft based off of what we view their profile as instead of their landing spot if they're landing in that third round draft capital. I think also this year there's a there's quite a few mid NFL running backs that ended up being fantasy relevant. That's going to lead to some people chasing the dragon, if you would. You're going to get some Devin Singletary S profiles being drafted in backup spots that is going to have people holding on. We're already seeing the chase the Kyron Williams small, unathletic, but he could do it completely ignoring what series of events needed to happen for him to be that successful. So I think that I believe it was old Bucky Boy that I said people are going to end up chasing that.

Well, if Kyron Williams can do it, he's a dog, he can play, he's just got to get that situation. The chance of you finding like a one in seven situation where these guys get to be bell cows in the NFL, even with how bad in air quotations the running back landscape is, it's unlikely. So you're chasing a little bit. But there's like we talked about, there's always one running back that creeps in. And like you said, it's going to be whoever Dallas takes. It's going to be whoever the Chargers take. Maybe someone that Arizona takes. And I can't remember which one of you mentioned it, but the Giants.

And outside of that, it's like, oh, I hope somebody gets hurt. Because if that guy gets hurt or someone gets cut, this guy's really going to finally have a chance. The Giants is a curse, man. Devin Singletary, like, you don't want to impair with that guy. Devin Singletary will take your job. I'm the last thing for Devin Singletary Truther. but like if you any running back against pair with devon singletary like doesn't go well for them yeah he's i i get i argue with this a lot for with my co-host andy buckler from the market report on the dynasty points podcast

feed and he says the same thing he's just like no matter how much you want to avoid devon singletary he's a cockroach you can want to kill him as much as you want but he's going to survive the NFL nuclear blast and he's still going to be there to interfere with your favorite running back So I think you're right. I think you're cursed. Do you like Brooks Scott? Like because I think like I think it's my hot take on Brooks. I think he's a good prospect,

but I think that his standing in the dynasty community has been benefited by him tearing his ACL because nobody looks at any other issue in his profile. And so I think he's like gotten this like fallen hero status where it's like Brooks would be like the dude except he tore his ACL. And I think he's a good prospect. I don't think he's untouchable. Well, like the key red flag beyond that is just that like we don't really have a sample to work with. So what are you left with?

You're left with like a 10 game sample where he was like he showed the most past catching upside of any like seriously like relevant running back in this class and like was only slightly less productive and slightly less efficient than Bijan Robinson. So yeah, like he looks fucking awesome. The issue is just like again, this class kind of sucks. So, like, I don't know, I have him as RB1 just based on the fact that, I don't know, he was 90% Bejohn Robinson last year. And, you know, maybe he could do that again. And he'll at least catch more passes than Coram or Benson and all the other, the other guys. I think what you just chose one of the, like, real strengths of this class is the fact that you can talk yourself into so many of these prospects, especially, like, the deeper you go. Like the late second to really middle of the fourth, I don't know if we can really rely just on ADP to start to project where we want to be drafting our guys.

It's going to be if you have a pick anywhere in there, you don't care about what their ADP says on DLF or on Dynasty Data Lab. You're going to go in, pick the guy that you want and you're, you need to live with that because you can talk yourself into so many of them, especially without knowing what their landing spot is. and I think it's going to get even messier whenever we start to incorporate landing spots. And there's these prospects that we would probably be taking in the fourth round because we don't really like their analytical profile or we think that their film grades really suck, but their analytics look good. And then that's just going to throw in the mess. There's so few prospects in this class that we can look at and say,

yes, your analytics are good. Yes, I like your film. You're going to be on my team. And it's a blessing that occurs for it. It should be interesting. They're just all in the top eight. all right fair enough fair enough um i like i like i like brooks like i think he's the most um i think he's the most all like complete back like i don't have any like glaring

weakness with brooks that i would with some of the other guys um i just don't i just don't think he like really pops for me anywhere either like i think he has like base competence as a runner i always like appreciate his kind of gliding style that's just like an aesthetically pleasing running style for me. It's like an Aaron Jones, Tony Pollard Truther. Like he just looks visually similar to those guys to me when I watch him. I think he's a perfectly cromulent pass catcher. I don't think he's like a dynamic or electric pass catcher.

Like I suspect it's going to be a diet of swing pass and screen passes. But I don't think he needs to be taken off the field on third down. So that's that's fine. Like he can play in the two minute drill and stuff like that. I have like concerns about a short yard of rushing. I think he runs upright and a little weak in goal line situation. but that ultimately is like a it's a caution flag for me and it kind of depends again on like will a team care about that or will they power through and that ultimately becomes a draft capital question more often. See for my he's oh sorry I'm just my last thoughts on this before we can close it out hit Bowers and get you out of here is uh is that I think he's getting the dream scenario situation and as much as we like to go death by over analysis when it's like oh he lands in death.

Dallas, that's going to be my RB1, or he goes to the Chargers. That's my RB1. Then I'm probably going to fade that player. Like, he's probably going to be overdrafted. If he's going to get the nuts spot. The way of his class is where it's like eight guys and then I don't know. Like, yeah, why wouldn't I take the round two running back of the Dallas Cowboys 101? Like that seems better than taking like Brian Thomas.

Yeah. Maybe you're right. Maybe I got to rethink that. I've been sitting there going. If you're a player that needs the nuts spot. I feel bad for. Ryan Thomas. I'm just thinking if you need the nut spot to be relevant, are you actually that good and are able to hold your job? I don't know. That's my outlook of it. But we can hit that next week when we have another absolute RB stud analyst in Grand Barfield on let's talk Bowers. Because Scott, you do have. I just wanted to say to put a ribbon on it. Yeah, my comps were for Jonathan Brooks. Miles Sanders, maybe maybe a little more upside than we've seen. from Sanders through this point.

And then, I think Benson is more Sanders-y. I've heard that. I've heard that. For Benson, like, just, I'm just talking to analytics profile. For Benson, it was Giovante Williams.

But, like, or this class. And I see some of that. Yeah. Or, which, by the way, like, who is he?

It's kind of hard to tell with that, like, devastating the injury. But, like, the class as a whole, I would say,

is the 20-22 class, except Jonathan Brooks is like a, a way lesser Breece Hall, who, by the way, is like easy RB1 and Dynasty. And, uh, uh, Benson's a lesser Kenneth Walker. Actually, they're like athletic clones that are perfectly sized. I was going to bring up Walker. And, uh, and like, that's it. And then, you know, not much else beyond that. Maybe one guy hits, but really just a bunch of good RB2s, no premier workhorses or bell cows beyond this time. And range for me is like Walker, ETN is like the

optimistic comps, Sanders being like kind of like maybe like a median comp. And then like low end comps would be like rojo before you got thick drone forward. I know that's crazy. I said there's like a chance he's on the the Nick Chubb spectrum just because freak athlete, best tackle breaker and PFF history easily led the class in explosive run rate. Easily led to class. Easily led to class. in yards per carry when first contact was initiated at or before the line of scrimmage and when contact was initiated after the line of and so it's like theoretically like just on the numbers you could see like he could be like the best of all possible worlds as a but like I know that's not the case and like the guy like Bettson he's by RV1 in the class

Nick Chubb watching Nick Chub is to watch I mean he was drafted as the RB4 he was drafted late though he was drafted RB4 round too, right? His year? Yeah. But I don't know. Maybe he was awesome in college. Nick Chauvin's just so sound. Like he just like never makes bad voices. Like he's just always doing the right thing.

He's the best pure runner in decade. Waiting for the Twitter meme to come through on this program that Nick Chub is the best pure runner. I refuse to use the word pure runner and Nick Chubb in the same sentence. Just like avoid the meme, but it doesn't make it any less correct. Well, Scott

has been named by her own Jake tribute as the walking meme. So it fits that Scott would drop this. My lack of beard in the chat. Yeah. You referred to, instead of saying, where does Jacob live? How was their son outside? I was referred to as the guy with no facial hair, which is just like a tough,

the tough scene for me, and my name is right below me. Like, I'm not, you should know what you am. I'm just saying, like, my name is literally on the screen. I think, I think it's prejudice. We've got bald with no, with beard in the profile picture of Lamarcus peppermint, which like A plus plus name. on YouTube. Hopefully you're subscribing,

but I think it's beard precedence. Oh, my God. That's why this sign. Oh, my God. Elite trolling. All right, let's hit Bowers before we get out of here.

Scott, I remember you and I spoke before you really started diving in because you were busy writing your other 250,000 word article, one of your nine that you released every year. Right. And I thought,

I thought you had mentioned that you were concerned that maybe he's just a screen merchant. So where did you end up landing on this overall? So when I tweeted that that or I message you about it, I had run the numbers wrong where like when I ran the numbers that's like without screens. Like his yak and his mistackless tackles force like just plummeted and he was like seventh in the class. I'm like, oh, this guy's a screen.

And then I ran those again. And those were just like totally wrong. Like he's still the goat. He's like honestly even better. Like he leads. I think he's best ever. or at least, no, he's best in the class, including wide receivers and yards per target without screens.

He's just the fucking man. Like, easily no worse than the second best tight end prospect in at least a decade, analytically speaking. Jacob, you read the dang stats section, just like everyone's an absolute band. The only thing I disagree with is that he's the second best tight end. I think he's clearly the best. Really? Over Kyle Piss?

And I'm not like trying to do like a revisionist thing. Like I think that, I still like I'm a big believer in Kyle Pitts's future. What I like more about Bowers is that he does tight end things better than Pitts. Like the fear with Pitts that I like the darkest timeline with Pitts other than having Marcus Marriota and Desmond Ritter as quarterback's and Arthur Smith as his coach is like he is not good enough of the tight end things to be a tight end and he's not good enough of the receiver things to be a receiver and he ends up just like kind of floating in no man's land and that's kind of what's

happened. Like Mike Kisicki? Like being like a way better, Mike Kisicki. But, but that's like somewhat the fear with Bowers like he can actually block so he can play in line. He is like a much, I think like a more technically sound route runner. Like Pitts is kind of more of like a glider. And the problem with that is like that really works if you're a matchup against linebackers.

But then when they line him up outside, then he just gets matched up against corners. And it's just like not actually an athletic freak for playing wide receiver. I think a lot of that's on the coaching. I think it's on the coaching staff to just not be brain dead and, you know, use Kyle Pitts correctly based on what his strengths are instead of what his strengths aren't. But I don't think Bowers needs to be game planned around that way. I think that they can just be like, go play tight end and then he'll just kill it as a tight end. Or they can hand it to him on freaking jet suites and you can just like run for 50 yard touchdowns too because apparently that works. I don't know.

I think he's pretty, pretty unreal. And I think that we are grateful for Kyle Pitts thus far failing to love the expectations. Because when Pitts came out, you know, he was going interchangeably with like Chase and with, you know, Lance and Fields a little less so, but, you know, to a point ahead of Najee Harris, clearly ahead of like Zach Wilson. And Bowers doesn't get like, there's no one having the should we take Brock Bowers ahead of Malik Nevers conversation. There's no one having me. Yeah. There's barely anyone having this.

Should we take Brock Powers ahead of Drake, Man. or Jane Daniels conversation. There's more people, more people, I think, will draft Roma Dunesay and JJ McCarthy ahead of Brock Bowers, then we'll draft Bowers ahead of anybody else. And so I think we're getting kind of a treat to get access to this potentially game-changing talent

because people are a little bit of drunk-tie after, like, we all suffer from Kyle Pitts' dramatic stress disorder. And I get it because, like, I was the one banging on the drum to draft Kyle Pitts, and I still am. And I just like don't really want to like subject myself to just like being owned online by saying all the same things about Brock Bowers. It's easier to like just do it in private, which I will. But like I feel like all the people who did the pits drum bang are just like it's kind of sitting here like feeling like we can't do the same thing for Bowers or people will get mad at us.

And that's why he's not going to tie. So your knock on him is, is what you have as a perk, he's more of a traditional tie. It was like sort of a knock, at least how I wrote it in the article, where Kyle Pitts, at least the dream with him was like he's Calvin Johnson at the tight end position. Yeah. And then I compared Bowers to George Kittle, but I use it as a sort of majority of. Yeah. I think that matters when you're talking about like the highest end of the spectrum.

You're contrasting George Kittle to Travis Kelsey, just like the massive route advantage. And I know most of that's just being on a run heavy team. versus a hyper pass heavy team. But like just running routes all day, being a featured option as the number one or number two receiver. I'm not giving up on pits, but like I'm so going back to that well. Like I will get so much shit if I'm wrong.

And I just like don't give a fuck. You write off the last year and a half entirely due to injuries. The injury was way worse than the team ever led on. He was impacted by it the entire year. He had trash quarterbacks. He had an incompetent coach. Now hopefully, you know,

he has a great quarterback. in Kirk Cousin. So I'm bullish on that. But yeah, I mean, no worse than second best. If you tell me he's the best, like, I'm not going to fight you. He is a wide receiver as a route runner. He's a running back with a ball in his hands. He's Sam Laportecised.

You know, people bring up the hype, but he's exactly Sam Laporteusite. He's just fucking awesome. Like, the stats you could pull from him are insane. Like, we were talking about how this wide receiver class is bad with the age adjusted. stuff. Like, he legitimately has no worse than the third best age adjusted profile of any wide receiver in this class. One of the best ever. He's just, I love him. Okay, I want to, I want to maybe clarify Slav push back on this, like, traditional tight end thing. First of all, George Kittle is like in a league of his own in terms of how good of a blocker he is while also being a good receiving tight end.

Like he's like a Mercedes-Lewis, Chris Manhurts level blocking tight end who could be getting some like goofy three-year $21 million deal that we all dunk on if he didn't have the ability to catch a pass. And he's also one of the best pass catcher day then. I don't think Bowers is like anywhere near the caliber of blocker that Kittle is. But I think that it still helps. I think he's like the perfect level of blocker that we want in fantasy football, which is not such a good blocker that they're going to ask them to pass block. But a good enough blocker that a coach doesn't feel like they're telling the defense,

it's a path play when they line them up in line. Like if you can't run block as a tight end, you have problems because you won't get to play in certain sets. You won't get to play on goal. Like you can't line up a tight end who doesn't block as the inline tight end for a play action pass from the one yard line because the defense sees Kyle Pitts in that spot. And they say, we don't believe you. We don't think you're handing his ball off because you wouldn't put this guy out there. So like you have to be able to keep a defense honest and allows you to have better red zone usage. And I also think beyond the blocking aspect of it, I think Bowers has like better skills for running like traditional tight end routes in the sense.

Like I just think he's crisper and a little bit more agile because he's not such like a long kind of like galloping athlete that like I'll take pits over Bowers on running like, you know, like some of the set place that makes are ridiculous. Remember that preseason like 50 yard go route where you just like glide and passed a dude and caught it? And then the ADP went up around and I was like, fine with me. else still draft them. And then got, like, ruined. Like, Bauer's is more like, he'll run, like, you know, like slot receiver type routes. Like, he'll run the whip route and he'll run these, like, drag routes and, like, kind of the stuff that Kelsey does.

And he has, like, a more natural feel for space and all that where, like, that's just good to me. But then on top of that, he adds that juice, you know, that we've seen through, like, running end-arounds and stuff on an offense full five stars that hopefully separates him even from the, like, Leportas and the McProl. Like, I've been on record, like, Brock Barber. is my tight end one in dynasty. And I recently did an update of the tiers. I don't have any other tight end this tier.

So that's where I'm out with Brock Bowers. I think we took him as, I know, maybe not the tight end one, but we took them over Pitts in our dynasty draft we were doing. Yeah, I like O'Doons Day a lot, but in a tight end premium, I think I'm taking Bowers slightly ahead of them, still have neighbors and Marv ahead of them, just due to positional value. It's almost as though, like, the, yeah, fantasy, it's easy.

Just fucking draft him. He's awesome. Like, the real life debate is like almost more interesting to me where you see him getting knocked for being a tight end, which like is warranted, except when you factor in the second contract. And then, like, he looks like this massive value. But yeah, we're talking about like Kittle from a fantasy perspective. Like Kittle from an NFL perspective is like such an insanely generous.

kind of like kittles the most underrated non-quarterback in football are like one of the most important non-quarterbacks in all of football i said that about gronk where it was um like who was the best non-quarterback of that era it was easily gronk and like that was backed up by vagus spreads like lines moved more for gronk than any other player that wasn't a quarterback and like equal to a lot of quarterbacks. And yeah, the one thing for fantasy from like Gronk and Kid, those were the guys where it's like their route shares were low, like their routes for game were low. But they were, you know, putting up more than, you know, like, but the Darren Wallers of the

world ever did. Just because they were so insanely freakishly hyper efficient. And also, like, you're more efficient on inline routes as a rule. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe you're right. Maybe he's just the next, you know, Gronk or maybe even Kittle Plus. And he's just an absolute cheat code.

God, he's a cult. Not really for fantasy. That would be bad. That would be the, if I could pick any landing spot, I think that makes the most sense to me. I think I agree with a long time listener in day one OG. Toronto Dave says,

tight in one before stepping into the NFL is wild to me. I can't get on board with that. And normally, like, I was Kyle Pitts was tight in one. but he's now got legitimate young tight-end competition to go against now at this point. Like you look at Sam Leporta. I mean, my dynasty. Four years younger than Sam Leporta,

though. Sure. But we've got to, we've got to be like the Jason Tatum. He's only 19 means for Caltech. But really, if Bowers comes into the NFL, we'd all be praying for him to land in a situation

and have the type of season that Sam Leporta already shown that he could have. And the same thing with Trayor's, McBride like we would be begging and pleading on our knees to the football gods to please please just let them have this kind of target share I mean I've given this take like on I think every second show this whole seat and I'll give it eight more times I really think Sam LaPorte is like a priority sell I just like it's not good it's not good I just like if there's one asset that I don't want to be invested in dynasty it's the asset that is like priced up for youth that is primarily youth is telling us about longevity rather than upside.

And like maybe this is maybe I have to be too nitpicky. It's totally possible we run this back and it's a freezing cold take. I just, the way that he wins in the context of the offense that he's in and the people he's surrounded by, I don't know how much room there is to grow than what he was already put into right away. And it makes me like, it's hard when I'm ranking because I think like he's so much safer than McBride, who we've seen like half a season sample of. versus like a year and a half of not playing or Pitts

who's production is mostly theoretical. Like it's hard for me to say like, oh, I really like these guys more straight up. But I really do like their ceilings more than I like Leporta's ceiling. And then Bowers, I just like more. So what,

when we're talking about a ceiling in for a tight end, it's like, okay, even if Sam Lipporta is 80% for the rest of his career, 85% for the rest of his career from what he was in year one, we're talking about a top, top three tight end every year in the league. But, I mean, that, again, we are most times, right, when we're talking about a tight end coming in as a rookie, we are on our knees begging, willing to do ungodly things to whoever we have to.

Sam Leporta didn't actually score that many points. Like, he scored like a really impressive, he has a really impressive season. But like, I don't know. Like, if I'm just investing in a tight end, like, I want peak Travis Kelsey or I kind of don't want to bother. So you got one guy, the ever. Yeah. It was peak Travis Kelsey. Yeah, that's my point.

Yeah. exactly I can't I think if you've got an opportunity to have like a top three guy at a position that is scarce I think that's just as valuable as praying to God that your guy that you're drafting with such high draft capital might maybe sort of hopefully get there one time if everything goes right like it's that's that's why I prefer Sam Laporta and like I have Big Bride two pits three and then Bowers four but I'm sure if Brock Bowers comes in and shows that he can actually be. Sam Leporta, yeah. Then I can see an argument for number one. But before we see it, I don't know. Because like you said, he goes to the Colts and we're forever just praying maybe one day he gets to be what we thought we were. And then we're once again at a shrine in a closet buried behind our suit jackets going,

please, please give us a hundred and thirty-five targets. Gohally Cox, Walter is a third touchdown off Brock Powers. I'm a great day on Twitter. I'm watching a year from now, we're like, you know, sophomore breakout, Brock Bowers. I know I'm going to get shit for it. but yeah we're just repeating the bride did it but no if Brock Bowers like if Brock Howard sucks like whatever I don't know now I'm just gonna stop I'm just gonna stop giving takes on good tight ends like my track record on my track record on like dusty tight ends that have been

passed over who like rise like Jesus this past weekend is great like on engrams and in jokos and that's where I'm gonna live like I'm just gonna stop every giving takes on good tight ends at Bowers bus. And I'm going to stop giving takes on good tight ends. I'm going to stop taking good tight ends both of those things. That's where I just wanted to clarify the Bowers Titan one thing, right? Because TD mentioned it in the chat. I felt

it's important to note that yeah, we can put them there and if you're comfortable drafting them there, but you better be ready to be sitting there praying like we did for David and Joker, like you said, for six years to finally hit that athletic ceiling that we wanted. And it just took the greatest elite quarterback of all time Joe Flacco to get him there.

I don't actually have Bowers that far ahead at ADP. I have Leporta just, like, quite behind ADV. That's so, like, my take would be like if you, if, if you find yourself halfway between Tom's take and my take, like, if you, if you agree with some of what I'm saying about Loporta stealing, and then you don't agree with, and you also agree with Tom saying about, like, the fear of Bowers, I would just trade Sam La Porta for Jalen Wall or trade San Leporta plus something for like, I don't know, in Malik neighbors.

But anyway, Bo Calans. in the chat. We got to let you go, right, Scott? Yeah. Yeah, sorry, guys. I'm going to run. It's all good. There's no better way to finish in the show than, you know, that we've done a good

enough job that we've been invited to Bo Callahan's birthday. Just, and don't think I don't know what you're doing. You're just trying to save your draft stock. He won't see Braylon Allen there because he didn't invite his teammates. Right. He's just, he's just trying to save his draft stock at this point. Two thirds of my co-host understood that Bo Calahan went to Wisconsin. Yes.

Scott's already moved on to the rest of the team. he's clearly not a draft day vauntee mac no matter what kind of guy but that's okay that's not the worst movie has ever watched it was Dave I watch it every single year I can't wait for this year every year the night before

the night before the NFL draft I ironically or do you enjoy it both like I started ironically and then I actually do enjoy it but I also like I'll be like you know I'll get my I'll get my like weed pen and we're just like right around when they start

not actually having sex in the closet but it looks like they might I'm on a different planet so I'm really just enjoying it at that point it's fun it's like I'll usually have just finished up a big article I'm ready to just see what happens and I just want to watch Kevin Costner

walk around and tacky and make like really low value traits and then call someone a pancake eating motherfucker bang the secretary unbelievable look every Scott, every time you come on this program, whether we do gimmicks, whether we do, you know, eulogies or if it's brass taxes, off the rails, prospecting, it just gets better and better every time. And I know that you have multiple articles getting released. You're also doing a new podcast and YouTube series with Brett Whitefield. If you want to let people know what that is and what you guys having come down the line, I think it's a great program and more people should be watching it.

Yeah, well, thanks for having me. This is my favorite show. Really glad to have it on the Fantasy Points Network. You guys are a bunch of geniuses, really entertaining show. Love you all so much. Let's do this again after the draft. How about that? Of course.

Yes, I would love to actually have you and Brett on at the same time. I don't know how we're going to make that work. Right, exactly. And, of course, you have thinking about thinking with Jacob. You can find that everywhere. You can find Jacob at Jacobs-Anderson over on the Bird app. You have Lucas Gilbert. I mean, I hold myself accountable right now.

I know it's been slow. I've been really sling. land with real life law work the last few weeks. I'm promising a very long, like, if I was better at like diverting my time, instead of having like two weeks out of an article and then I'm like a 7,000 word article, I would have multiple articles, but I'm not. So you can have a really long article at the end of this week, I promise. And you could just read it. I was ready to go like four hours in this, but I've got a sick girlfriend. I think this is worth worth it. Jacob, you said something really poignant. I just want you to say it one more time with your chest out.

something about the dynasty community overrating youth when it's primarily for longevity and not upside. Can you expand on that just a little bit before we head out that? Because that was so smart. Yeah, you can, I mean, everyone listening can feel free to disagree. And I think honestly, you can have a good case for it in this application of this with San Roporta. I usually use this about quarterbacks. But, you know, youth has obvious appeal in two ways. And I think one is really valuable.

Well, one of them's not. Like, I'm in a dynasty draft right now that I'm running and I'm weird. I like weird formats. And the way that we split up this format is that it's a three-part draft. You do a derby. You do three different drafts to bid on your slots and you end up getting a vet draft or rookie drafts in a software draft. We're doing the vet draft right now and it's bleak.

Let me tell you, because there's nobody, anybody wants to draft. And the appeal for me of drafting all these young players is like, once you get past all the guys that we know have really, really ridiculous production upside. Scott Barrett would tell you, upside wins championships. And so what am I doing? You know, with like a Chris Godwin

and his 14.8 fantasy points per game this year, who I'm actually having Tom and I drafted in your league, ironically. But like, it's really not worth that much. So at a certain point, like you want to just take swings. And that's to me the appeal of the youth is the appeal of the great unknown

where maybe there's something we're missing, right? Even if we don't think it's very likely. But then sometimes you'll see these profiles where we do more or less know what they are and what the range of outcomes is, but they're young, and so they carry a lot of value. And then when you see is they just don't really give you that much value of replacement. And they just slowly receive in value every year, very gradually year over year. And that's the profile I just don't want on my team.

Like, if I want stability in an asset, just give me a draft deck. And if I want an upside an asset, give me someone who has a really wide range outcomes, give me a vet that has a really good chance of producing 20 points per game. But I do think, like, the most overrated asset and dynasty is just like the perceived longevity of youth without the corresponding production upside. Yeah, I really like that. That's really smart. Yeah, I feel like we did kind of just have that conversation with the Porta, too.

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