Fantasy Football Daily - Actually Actionable Dynasty Advice To Get More Deals Done

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

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I'm Thomas Dipple. That's Ryan Heath. One half of the host of Dynasty Points. On this week's episode, we are identifying how to get trades done more efficiently and showing you how to actually identify real life buys or sells in Dynasty. Also, Jacob gets called out for failing to properly victory lap, and Thomas tries to back out of two different trades live on air. It's Tuesday night. And there's only one place you could possibly be.

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longest intro ever pesky. Look, I know, we had some stuff to sort out. But we're here, we're live, we are ready to bring it like we do. Well, every single week, Toronto Dave says, my body is ready, as long as the mind and heart is as well. We're rocking with you. No, Jacob this week.

We'll talk about why Jacob's not here. He says work. Ryan has a different theory. So we're going to go over that. Of course, I am your host with the most time on his hands. I am Thomas Tiple. You can find me at L. Nostra Thomas with No Jacob. That means I'm joined by Ryan Heath at Ryan J underscore Heath, Lucas Gilbert at L. Gilbert F.

F. We're going to skip pleasantries because there's a lot to get through as there is in season. But first and foremost, I want to get some thoughts, some opinion, some kind of, how do I put it? I want to get a little bit of feedback from what you noticed this week. Just right off, right out of the gate. We've been doing it every week. I tend to like it.

So Ryan, I'm going to throw it to you for like your first reactions from the weekend. Maybe more of a general takeaway. I feel like people are tilting way more this year. And just in general in fantasy football than any other first month of a season. there are just so many players that people are so frustrated with whether it's warranted or not like your Kyle Pitts Garrett Wilson people are freaking about freaking out about every running back including Bruce Hall like it it's just kind of everywhere people the people are upset yeah you mean it's not normal for a soon to be 36 year old man to cry into his

hands when he sees his quarterback take out his star wide receiver and most rostered player that looked like potentially for the year. That's not normal. People don't do that every time. I mean, I think we all shed a year for Rishi Rice. Not saying it was me,

but it could have been someone real close to me. You know what I mean? Like, it could have been someone in my vicinity, in my household, just saying, that is, there is a reason we called ourselves full tilt

before we were dynasty points, because that is us. That is us on a, regular, but I believe I texted Jacob as we are undefeated in the Scott Barrett and Danny Kelly Dynasty Invitational, undefeated top team in the league, if I'm not mistaken. I did send him a text message with many crying emojis, finding out that Rishi Rice and Jonathan Taylor went down this weekend. He told me not to worry.

I'm in full panic mode. But that's just the way it is. I think you're right. I just think this year seems to be the most probably more tilting, because I'm in the most, probably more tilting because we had more I don't say more hope but I feel like we had more

fake clarity on the top picks what do we say? Well what did I say? I won't put lump you guys into this but I said from rounds one and two you can't miss like it feels like you can't miss guess what we fucking missed big time swing and miss we'll get into that

Lucas takeaways I believe it is that the Shanahan system has found quarterback that can't fix down in Miami. That is just absolutely brutal to watch. It's brutal to experience on your fantasy lineups. It's brutal to experience in your prop bets. And you just sit there and you have to deal with it. And it's not a fun time.

And it's not going to be fun for a little while. So we're just going to sit here. be sad, and hope that Tua can play again to actually have fun with this Miami offense and all of the high-powered assets that are just sitting there and going to waste and making me really, really sad. Yeah, we're going to talk about all those assets a little bit later. What I saw is that he's going to play in week eight, or he's targeting week eight. So like I said, we are going to talk about that.

my takeaway is the era of the elite running back could be dead. It could be dead. Like the workhorse could finally be completely dead. And we're going to talk about that more. Like Christian McCaffrey was like kind of last man standing already. Now he's last man standing on two ankles. I could go boom at any moment. So that's not great.

And then it was, don't worry, Jemir Gibbs is going to separate from David Montgomery. David Montgomery's not going anywhere. They love that dude, and that guy can ball. As much as the fantasy community has spit on that guy continuously, even when he was with the Bears, he was a league winner like two years in a row in the back half. We all spit on him.

Then he goes to Detroit. We're moaning and groaning. They get Gibbs. And now, oh, Gibbs is going to, not really. They clearly have two roles in that offense that they are just sticking with. He's not going anywhere. And then you get Hall, who I heard Rich Eisen talk about today, how he doesn't understand. I didn't put their 240-pound 20-year-old in the backfield on the goal line.

Because, which, if you're listening ever, it's because you didn't want to hear the collective sound of millions of grown men cry when Braylon Allen walked his way into the end zone, Tassum Hill style to take it away from Breece Hall. And then you get Bejean, who, I have. said, look, we worry about a first year play caller, right? And I worry about a defensive-minded head coach coming into coach the Falcons. And Algier seems to just constantly be a pain in the ass for Bijan. So those were the three that gave us the most hope about the elite, Belkow, upper-tier, first, second, third round running backs. And I think that era might actually be dead.

Taylor was doing it. And then he gets hurt. He's 25. hurt his ankle again that tag and stigma is going to get put on him a chan looked awesome and then this offense died he's probably the one that gives gives me the most hope moving forward um the era of the truly elite fantasy producing dynasty running back to me might actually be dead like it it's sad but i was thinking about this and then sure enough i read ryan's article and i see a a spot in there about these backs.

And it almost confirmed it because I swear I only had that thought a couple of minutes before I started looking for notes for the show for tonight, some more extra notes. And it's bad. I see TD seeing Kenneth Walker. I agree, but Kenneth Walker is never finding his way into the second round. He's just going to permanently be in that other back spot. I don't know.

I just think it could be, it could be gone. And it makes me sad. It makes me truly, truly sad. But that's it. That's what I have for first reactions. I think David Montgomery is the very first player that Jacob ever roasted me on.

And that was back when I was living in the comment section, a full tilt dynasty, whatever, I think you were doing a mock draft or something. I was trying, like begging you all to take David Montgomery at some spot. And it was just like two or three rounds of just absolutely saying, stop recommending we take David Montgomery.

So I do remember that. Yeah. That's true. He's just been that. guy. He's just been the running back to buy, right? Because he just does this. He does this all the time. And he went to an offense that just loves him. And they do. They love him there. And like I said, he's not going anywhere. You think he's under contract next year too. So he might be another player we talk about a little bit later in terms when we talk about buying and selling. So,

uh, yeah, first thoughts. Um, Barry was in here real early on Twitter and said Kyle Pitts is dead to me. and then he made sure to pop back in and say Kyle Pitts is dead to me a second time. You're not wrong. He's a zero. He's one of those players. I think we talked about where Jacob was the four of us. We were talking about players that could lose the most value this season. It was Pitts where Pitts could either go from a round four pick, like a round 14 pick.

We're at round 14. And there's no sign. Like there's nothing. There's nothing positive here at all to, take from this, in my opinion. It looks bad. He looks bad. He looks slow. He's winning on vertical routes, according to the data suite, which is nice and all, but they're not fucking running them with him, which becomes a problem. So, um, there he goes. A third time. Kyle Pitts is dead to me. That's how dead he is to me. Three times. So I think he's, he says, I'll say 50. I'll say it. I'll say it.

Um, yeah, so sadness, a lot of sadness in the dynasty community, but we're going to come back out of this break and we're going to dive into the next part of this, which is kind of talking about fake value. And I'll explain what that is on the other side of the break. You're going to want to be locked in here because I feel a couple of rants coming. And I have been left to my own devices here for too long today because no one else on the show talked to me almost all day. just saying. So I've been left on my own to stew on some thoughts and I have a feeling they're breaking out of the dome at some point today so lock in and sit tight.

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So if you want a grandfather your way in, now is the time to do. do it. I've seen a lot of player X put up points should I go buy them or player X didn't score any points should I go and get them now. The price hasn't changed. We talk about this all the time. I wrote Terry McLaurin as a sell in my article a couple weeks ago. Guess what he is for me, guys?

He's a sell. Because in that article I said, give it a few games. posted a picture in our Discord of another league that I'm in that I didn't have anything to do with this trade. But they got a first forum because they added a second to Terry and they got a one. Fantasy Points, Discord, Juggernaut, and Research Guru, Dynasty Buck or Andy Buckler, was posting and telling us that there are people asking him for a first for Terry McLaren. Or asking for For Forst for Terry McLaren. So that is not fake value to me.

That's value that's actually shifted. It's actually happened. The fake value comes in in the go by low on Garrett Wilson. Go buy low on Garrett Wilson. Go try. Right? Because I got to tell you, a lot of wide receiver boys. Like Ryan, I consider you a wide receiver boy, except for one league.

I watched you nonstop draft aging veteran running backs. And you hate yourself for that. By the way. For that league. Yeah. real well. You're not giving up Garrett Wilson for the cheap, I imagine.

Like that, you're just not getting that. A chance. You're not giving them up for low. You're not getting, you weren't getting Drake London for low when he was, well, unless you were trading with Lucas,

who would have taken James and William straight up for him a couple of weeks ago. Hey, hey now, hey now. I didn't ever commit to that. I said, consider it.

I'm just seeing if you're on your toes. That's all, baby. So you were talking about like being able, by low, I'm looking up some trades in Dynasty Data Lab right now with Garrett Wilson. And it seems like people are selling kind of ridiculously low right now for Garrett Wilson. I'm seeing Garrett Wilson in a second for Devonza Smith and Kyle Pitts. That's gross.

Garrett Wilson in 2025 first for Bijon Robinson. That seems pretty gross to me right now. Rashid Shaheed, a third and a fourth for Garrett Wilson. this doesn't make the only the only problem with these is some of these are like the like those have got to be

setting specific it has to be something weird the general leagues that most people are playing in and keep in mind right so if you look at let's say the fantasy footballers for example the largest fantasy football

brand and podcasts in the world they are reaching 8% right of the fantasy community so when I say you're not getting this to the average it's to the average it doesn't mean you shouldn't try

I feel like that is an important thing to say but Ryan you're about to yeah I just want to say from the perspective actually on that exact team you were referencing earlier Tom that team drafted Garrett Wilson whatever the second or the third round right so if that's you if you just put yourself in that team

perspective in my failing dynasty team's perspective right now. Garrett Wilson, okay, cornerstone asset of this team of this startup draft, right? Obviously, the team's not doing too well on average if that's what you spent to acquire Garrett Wilson, right? Why are you selling low? Garrett Wilson's production to you for this year actually doesn't matter that much anymore in terms of that you don't, your roster isn't starred for production. That's not what you should be trying to get. Your roster should be value maxing and selling Garrett Wilson after he does very little for a month is not value maxing, right? I mean, Wilson's usage has been fine. He's been getting the targets. He's been getting locked up by all these shut down corners, which you don't love to see, obviously. I don't

think the offense in general in the Nathaniel Hackett system is doing in many favors. Yeah, there's certainly not any sort of creative usage going on. But this can all change. Garrett Wilson is really amazing guys. We have been very convicted on that for the past few years. I have seen no reason to think Garrett Wilson isn't as good as we thought he was before the season. So why would you sell now? It makes no sense to be selling Garrett Wilson right now. The only time it makes sense to sell Garrett Wilson and Dynasty is if you're a contender and Garrett Wilson is like the dead weight on your roster right now and you specifically think that that's going to continue. through his next few matchups, which are also tough.

But yeah, I just don't, why? What is the rational basis? What is the team that needs to sell Garrett Wilson? Yeah, I just don't understand how we got on the team and how they would now be sellers for an asset like Garrett Wilson. Yeah, I don't know. That's just been building up as we've been talking about this because I just kind of don't get it.

In no world am I selling Garrett Wilson for Rashid Shaheed and a couple of picks. That's not happening. Yeah. That's, uh, yeah, that's some stuff that I don't think too seriously in that regard.

But, um, there's a bunch of these players. There's a bunch of these players right now that people are on the fence. And I'm more inclined to go try and buy and take on the risk. But even still, so I was talking to Buck today and we were trying to work out a Garrett Wilson, Rishi deal.

And I was like, okay. Like, I can. kind of mess with this and then I tried to get Garrett Wilson prices. He's like, no. Like it's not, he wouldn't

sauce anything on top that was like relevant. And I'm sitting there in my head like this is already dead. Like his value might already be tanking. Like he's not a round two value anymore. So you're right. Like at this point what are we selling for? He's got a good stretch

of games coming up. So he's just not somebody that I feel like you can or should sell now. I will say that there are a few of these players that I wouldn't mind tearing sideways to. But as we're going to talk about right away,

the ones, people always, I should actually preface everything I'm about to say with this, because it's just going to sound like old man yelling into the clouds. Every dynasty manager wants to sell

the players that aren't scoring, and every dynasty manager wants to buy the players, that are scoring points. This is why I think it was last week when I said that we flip-flop in this game too much. Week to week, we want to buy one. I bought Jameson Williams

after week two. I put it in my article, paid the first form. Guess what Jameson Williams was on my roster this week? Exactly the player I said he was when I purchased them, which was my fourth wide receiver on that team. Funny enough because I said I was sick of looking at Terry McLaren

on that roster, and guess who was in my flex this week because everyone died. And I'm glad that I didn't ship him off at that time. Contenders totally fine having him. But that's what I mean by we're too like flip-flopped. I moved Zay Flowers up my ranks. I moved JSN up my ranks.

People said, Tom, you're too low. You're just too low on JSN. Am I? Because he went back to being exactly the same player after one game. that was a clear outlier. Zayflowers comes out. Wide receiver 1 targets. Everyone's buying in.

Even though one of those games, he was still used like a scatback. And that's actually disrespectful to the wide receiver 1 now, Justice Hill, who's getting routes downfield for touchdowns, something Zayflowers not getting. Completely disrespectful to the Ravens wide receiver 1, Justice Hill. Remember when you used to blame that on Greg Roman when the Ravens running backs were the, No, Patrick Ricard. There's a difference between Patrick Ricard getting nine routes at the end of a game, Ryan, to Justice Hill breaking people's ankles for efficient touchdowns.

Let's make that very clear. I begged for Lamar Jackson check down to running backs instead of throwing yolo balls downfield where every time I'm like, is that picked? I'm liking watching him check it down, okay? But my point is that people said you're too low, you're too low, too low. and these receivers, they immediately go back into the rules that they were in or regress even further back. But now it's like, oh, should I tear from Garrett Wilson to Jaden Reed and get a plus on top of Jaden Reed? What world?

Are you getting a first on top of Jaden Reed now for Garrett Wilson? Jaden Reed a sixth round pick four weeks ago to Garrett Wilson four weeks ago being a second round pick where you could have gotten something like that potentially. now you're not. We're too late. You're already too late. I don't know if you're going to get a first on top of Zay Flowers right now with Garrett Wilson because the dynasty community doesn't want to do that in season. It's already over.

So it's kind of side rant aside leading into the next point here, the players that you're seeing on Twitter with people telling you that in my leagues, I can get this. There's a reason we say that your leagues don't matter in this regard or talk about a general strategy. you should still be trying absolutely but to bank on it because you've been told to go and get

X and X and X and this will fix this this and this it's not because most Dynasty players aren't actually that reactionary you know you try to go buy a player like Terry McLoren right now for that second and third they're going to go are you seeing what that my

that superstar quarterback is doing in Washington first minimum because that's just how people are and then now that he's had those good games or now that Jaden Reed's had a good game, if he has three straight bad games, you go to buying for cheap, he's like,

well, no, he's got Jordan Love. He's going to bounce back. He was a wide receiver one two weeks ago. That's how these conversations go most of the time. You're still going to have to give up quite a bit and then take on the risk. So when we're sitting here saying, go and acquire for this.

This is why we give you examples. This is why we give you, you know, reasoning behind it because to just blankly state, guys, guess what, Ryan, I don't know if you know this or not. Josh Allen had a bad game last week. Go trade for him while his values low. And then you go look at Keep Trade Cut

or whatever crowdsourcing site. Oh, he's the number one rated dynasty asset. Oh, go by low. Malik Neighbors is breaking out. Go buy now. The third ranked player by the community. Be realistic in your targets. I think is the final advice with the side rant that I wasn't planning on doing.

But when I say I've been sitting here thinking with this all day, this is it. Can I add to the side rant too? Of course you can. Okay. So I think I have two points here. Yes, it's true that I feel like the questions of should I trade this player away or should I go by this player are incredibly reactionary in terms. Oh, yeah, like you were saying, the guys who scored a lot or the, Guys, people are saying, should I go by him?

Right. But the actual trades that happen, yeah, generally are not reactionary. And that's for potentially for good reasons, but also because we have the endowment effect in Dynasty, right? Yeah. A player that is on your roster that you own, quote unquote, you're going to value him higher than if he weren't on your roster or then if the same exact player weren't on your roster in a different league, right?

That's just how we work. is humans, it's not rational, but you have to understand that as a dynasty trader, right? So, oh, I'm going to go out and buy this specific Player X because of his recent production or his recent usage or what have you. No, that's not what the owner of Player X is thinking. The owner of Player X is finding any way to justify keeping him on their team. Like when you send out a trade offer and they open it up. and they look at it and you're trying to buy one of their players,

that's the first thing the brain does is, okay, what's a reason that I should decline this or that I should keep this player, right? And so you, of course, you should be aware of that in yourself and try to say, okay, well, pause,

let me try to do a more sober analysis of this player and their usage and what have you and how you expect it to look going forward. But you've got to understand that, The reason 90 to 95% of trade offers are going to be wasted is because there isn't enough surplus on either side to overcome that endowment effect. If you're clearly a contender and another team is clearly tanking and they have an asset that is totally worthless to them in their tank, but it could put points on the board for you, then great.

then you're probably going to be trading that comparative advantage. It's probably going to be bigger than the endowment effect, right? But that's not the case for, oh, Garrett Wilson is kind of not performing as well. So I'm going to quote unquote buy low, right? That the owner of Garrett Wilson isn't saying, oh, he's so bad. Like I need to get him off my roster more than likely in most leagues. Right. And Barry does make this comment.

He says people still do that for Wilson. and they're still so locked onto the name that their current production gets overlooked. And that's part, and sure, in some leagues that's going to be possible, right? Some players,

when you ask about them, there's just so many excuses. There's so many, you know, we will, we will have more reasons why a player that we think is good is going to break out

than excuses we make for anything else in our lives. We will bend over back, to find reasons for these players and run out of reasons as to why we can't do reasonable tasks for our significant others like doing the dishes or laundry, we'll just give up and say no. But for this, we will basically treat it like we're trying to find the Declaration of Independence. Tom, I really like this. That's just how it is.

I really like this question from Keith here about like, so how do you actually go about, you know, finding or does, deciding who you want to trade for or what your trade targets are. And we've said it so many times on the show is that you're really just looking for those buying windows and then also the scenarios that make sense for folks. I know that Brian Robinson's like a really popular like, must trade for a guy and articles wherever you're looking probably and keep trade because well. But if you're going out there trying to target Brian Robinson and he is basically the only running back on a team that looks like it's trying to contend you're not going to get him like in with malique neighbors too if you that's on a

contending team that person's really not going to move them for you know more proven assets or whatever it's not going to work for you know rebuilding team because why would he move off of his best uh asset like you have to look for the scenarios that actually makes sense and work for both of you like what ryan was just talking about so i don't know if you really want to be going like If you're just sitting at home scrolling through sleeper on your phone and you're like, you know what? I want to make a trade today. I want to trade for player X.

It doesn't really work like that. You need to go in target scenarios that will make sense to actually make your roster better instead of highlighting individual players to try to go and acquire. If you want to acquire players, you do that in the off season. That is not an in-season mindset. Yeah. You don't try to acquire specific players. You target certain situations in your league.

You go look at the O and 4 team. It's, oh, look, he has Travis E.TN or whatever, who's not been performing well, right? Or Naji Harris, or these are at least serviceable running backs potentially. Can that help my team? Oh, it can. They can plug into my flex and it improve me. Okay, cool. Or I have a high conviction on like the Travis ETN talent bet.

Okay, this is a good time to make an offer, right? You look for situations where that team should be incentivized. move off of the player. But it's not about who you don't start with. I want to buy player X and then I look at what team they're on. Right. It's so reverse is what I'm most I mostly agree with you. Uh, being someone who has a lot of time to like decide whether or not I'm going to go

and buy a player. I will go like, I'm going to say. So for example, I'm going to use anti-misanthrop here where he says, I have Brian Robinson on rebuilders and have trouble getting two seconds. Where are these Brian Robinson buyers at? Right here. Me. You know why?

Because I need him. I need him on my rosters. I've just bought him for a second and third not that long ago on a $100 buying team where I got sick and tired of looking at like insert player that I've been ranting about for two years in my lineup out of my flight. I had a mere white in that flex. I was wrong. Got him out.

Pay the second and third to do it. needed a quarterback paid a second and third in the same deal boom done didn't even think about it happily going to put brian robinson in my lineup every single week i've no problem doing that they are out there uh but i will decide say for brian brian robinson for example i'm going to go i know all of my teams need running backs is just how i build all but like five teams by week four i know where this team is going for the most part i need to buy a running back i will search what leagues I don't have him in and I will just go and check in. It was the price on Brian Robinson or I'll just go send some offers.

If you look at my tier sheet, it'll show you where I think I have him as a two plus two. I think I have a two and a half for two and a half first. Jesus Christ, he score 30 points eight games in a row. A second and a half like one and a half seconds. That's close. I can get it to two seconds. I can get it there. Give me 10 fab on top or something.

Like if I really need that player, I'm just going to pay the price. Like, I'm just going to go and get it done. Because I feel like that's important. I'm not going to nickel and dime on a deal like that every time. Sometimes I will ask Buck, but not every single time. I mean, ask Lucas. I nickel and dime that dude on every deal we make. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, you've taken me to cleaners on nickel and diamond try to get a deal done. But I think, I think that there's a difference between saying, I'm going to go and acquire Pook and a coup can do today. I have to acquire Poo. Twitter told me that he is not going to be back till week 10 and to go buy Pukunakua. So I need to go and buy Pooka Nakua. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to look and say, could this team use Pukkahua?

I'm going to look him up and I'm going to look at every team I have and I'm going to go, does this make sense for me to get Pukkahua? And if not, I'm not going to force going and getting him to say that I need a share. I can't tell you how many times I see a trade screenshot from somebody who I respect at different times who I generally think are good players and they're like had to go get my guy. What do you think of this trade? And I'm just immediately like this is dog shit. Not saying that I make like the best trades all the time. Like I'm not saying that.

You can pull my trades. There are ways to go and find what trades I've made over the last couple of months. It's out there. There's a reason we put ourselves out here on this. show all the time. There's a reason why every year we do a things I missed on, things we are terrible at. We pull our own receipts. We have no problem. I have no problem when someone pulls a receipt on me because I've got that myself. But when I see these deals where it's like you've traded two good wide receivers a first and a second to go and get Rome, I'm just like

you're just doing it to say you're required a share. You've killed that team now. That team is dead if this doesn't completely work out for you. That team's dead. You've just said, take my money. I'm donating. I hate that. There's just, I can't, I can't stand seeing that. So like Ryan was saying, that mentality where I have to go and buy player X

because he's just the hot name or I really like him, that's fine. But I think it's dumb. I think it's counterproductive. You need to look at each team. now if you have two teams if you have three teams and you really want a player to say you've got to share it's still bad

in my opinion but at least I can understand but if you've got 15, 20, 25 teams if you're degenerate 10 teams and you're still doing this now you're just messing your bread up you're playing for the clicks

you're not playing for the money which you should be playing for the money and making smart decisions and building your rosters structured to your league, not structured to your wants. Needs and wants are two completely different things. And I cannot stress enough how far back you're going to set your rosters if you're just playing for wants. You should want to win.

You should want to set yourself up. You shouldn't just want to say that you have a player to be part of the cool kids. Because guess what? when you're part of the cool kids and that player dies and now you can't move them because you can't get rid of them for less than you paid for because it's just embedded in your brain

that that's what you were told to do. Good luck, Kyle Pitts. He's the perfect example. I have to go and acquire Kyle Pitts today. They said he was a by-low. He's going to break out. Now he's dead. Cry those tears.

I know I am. This guy is. Dude, I did the, I need to get into more startups this year because I don't have enough Kyle Pitts. I was saying that at one point this summer. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome for that.

But it does happen. But we shouldn't, we shouldn't really be designing our trade offers that way. It's just like the best way I can vocalize this with an example before we get into player specific. This is a little bit more on theory than I was planning to get into today. But it's bloody important. because in the Discord we can ask and we love you for it, this is the best way that I could just like vocalize it, right?

If you're wondering where it's like, oh, this guy's rebuilding, like his team's, you know, one in three and he's got the third lowest points for, but oh, he's got Justin Jefferson. I need to go and get Justin Jefferson off his roster. He's rebuilding. I'll just give him two firsts and Juan Dale Robinson. He should take that.

No, you should take that offer and take it and jump into the same dumpster it belongs in because it's not a reasonable deal. It's just not what you should be doing, right? Look at somebody's roster, look at your roster and build a trade offer that actually has a chance. Build a trade offer that actually makes reasonable sense. if you got a guy whose team is now screwed because he has Rishi Rice, don't offer him Rishid Shaheed in a second, just because, oh, he's hurt, bro.

You need to compete. Like, you'll get so many more deals done if you just actually structure your deals that make sense at the end of the day. If you have points on your roster that you want to get off and you're like, oh, I've got, yeah, you should be going and trading for the hurt players. I think everyone should still be trying to go for the hurt players. But don't offer the team. team that's kind of rebuilding Devante Adams for Rishi Rice.

Like, it'll open your mind if you actually look and build your trades responsibly. You'll get way more done. You'll lead a much happier life. You'll be less miserable. You get fewer grays. You'll just lead a happier life with that being said. Keith says, well said. Appreciate it.

That was a great question. I think we didn't hit the second half of that question. which was guys like, you know, are we targeting Mahomes and Waddle as buy lows and what makes them or whoever else a better target? I feel like that's an important part of that question that we didn't fully get to. So I ask Ryan first. What actually makes a player someone you want to buy? When people always ask us, who are you targeting right now? How do you come up with the names that you give people or.

that you're actually looking for in leagues that you're actually playing in, not just blind advice, which I also see online that I can't stand. Yeah, so there's a couple things. I guess, at its most basic level, I'm somewhat of a believer,

especially early in the season, especially for players that we thought were good four weeks ago, that I'm a big, expected fantasy points guy, right? I will always, always be the sucker who is going to feed his family with expected fantasy points. I'm going to see that I actually don't know where Derek Wilson is expected fantasy points.

And we should use a different, we should use a different example than him, probably. But if I see a- Sure, that Amari Cooper works, yeah. If I see an Amari Cooper, who I believe top 12 wide receiver by expected fantasy points right now, not producing like it, except for in one game, an Amari-Cup team that is actually i i have one or two teams like this right so that they probably exist also out there team that thought it was competing uh maybe had a couple injuries or something has amari cooper on his roster umari cooper's kind of doing nothing for for him obviously the there's no

incentivization to hang on to amari cooper right now if that team it doesn't look like it's in a win right but Cooper obviously the usage has been very good just in terms of target volume with the expected fantasy points there's I'd say more than an outside shot that James Winston is starting at some point this season for the Browns I would call that a likely upgrade over what they've been doing with Deshawn Watson right now so if that happens then great then you've profited by sending you like your late second or whatever for Amari Cooper or I don't know where he's at on keep trade cut right now. Yeah, wait seconds.

Yeah, wait second, early third, something like that would be totally fine doing a deal like that on a contender. So yeah, I like to start kind of like I was saying from is the production not matching the usage. Is there any semblance of hope that it might, right? If Tua was out for the season, I wouldn't be calling Devon A Chan like an expected fantasy points by, right? but given that he's not he it's Devon Achan so he's so he's not but jail and

Waddle might be right that might be an okay contending by personally I'm not letting go of any of the jail and Waddle that I have on my non-contending teams but that that's a player that somebody might that I could that I could see it right so yeah that that's where I'd start is just kind of is a utilization there and can we expect the situation situation is there an out for the situation to get better at any point going forward? I think that's what makes a by-well. Yeah, that was that was very well said. Lucas?

So I think that there are definitely times that a player will be highlighted as like if they're going to be at their lowest, it'll be because of recent X. Jaylon Wattle was mentioned in the question, right? I just brought him up. So right now with the way the dolphins are, if he has, he has. has a low point in value you're kind of looking at right now i'm not ever really targeting it the week after like a big event happens because nobody's going to trade them then because they just feel like you're trying to take advantage of them so i don't recommend doing that uh at least wait one week

but don't wait so long that you know they've already suffered long enough and then they're not ever going to move off of them but i'm mainly looking at like what my roster needs and what tier of player will start to satisfy that. So if I'm just looking at it, and I need an RB2. And an ideal case, yeah, I'd love to get Brian Robinson. If that doesn't really work out because the team that has him, it just doesn't make sense for them to move off of him, that I'm looking at players within that same type tier, that same archetype to go in target. Maybe I'm moving on to a James Connor next. Maybe I'm moving on to an Aaron Jones next. just going down list inside the same tiers of what you're looking for to fill what your roster needs.

Sure, it'd be great, especially whenever say you're only in like three dynasty leagues, then I can understand being really tied to you want a very specific player to fill your roster because you only have so many opportunities to have that player on your roster. That one, it does make it a little different. Still don't force trades by I completely get it. It's not like with Jacobs, what, 70 some odd leagues. I don't even know how many leagues he has at this point. But yeah, it does change from time of time.

But I'm really looking if you haven't your ideal case for an archetype, go check them out. But then don't be afraid to move off of that to players that still fill that same role. Yeah, I like a lot of that. I like a lot of what you guys said with that. I'll add to it naturally. I want to trade for the old and busted. I want to trade for the high-risk players because to me,

that is just something that I feel like you can benefit the most from as a contender. If you're telling me that I could go and get a Amari Cooper right now for as cheap as I can, for some like a cowing and a third or a Ricky Pearsall, yeah, I want that because that's going to be points in my roster. I believe in the player, there's a bounceback possibility. we're like three drops and a called back penalty away from a guy like Kamari Cooper being looked at differently. I love those guys. And yeah, even some contenders are going to be willing to let those guys go if you're actually willing to pay and not nickel and diming as much.

Now, I know I'm the king of nickel and diming. Antio even says here, Thomas the master of squeezing out every drop of value hates when a team loses value. Yeah, I know. It's shocking. But I will say I'm also okay losing a bit of value with the, quote, fake overpay, right? The fake overpay is your greatest tool in getting a trade done for a player. If it kind of feels gross in terms of like, that's maybe an overpay, do I really do it?

Not every time, but like, yeah, add that second. We had someone in our Discord today saying like, oh, would you, now he wants me to add a third to get this Bejan deal done. And like I was talking to Buck, what he said, do it. Just do it. It's a third. Who cares? Like, do you know how rare are the operations?

opportunity is to get a player of that caliber onto your roster, how hard that is to do, go and do it. Go and do that thing. So I'm, I'm, I paid, I overpaid for Tony Pollard in a league not that long ago because I needed a running back. I paid two seconds. Ryan's literal response to me was gross when I told them that I made this deal. And like, I'm okay with doing it.

So don't take it as like, I never, I do do that. and yeah, sometimes You said do-do. Yeah, lull. We're adults here. We're professionals. But there are situations that you can do it. But to end this whole thing,

because I feel like I could just go on about this for three straight hours, and no one wants to hear that. We'll lose all of our subscribers probably. Situational matters, don't just do what your heart wants you to do and play to a structure and you'll be

way better off for it than you are now. We're going to take another break. We come back. We're going to catch up on some of these comments. Then we're getting into actual players, some trends, and some stuff that we definitely want to talk about here

from week four looking into week five. This is dynasty points, so sit tight, lock in. Update. Antide did send me a Brian Robinson and trade while we were alive, he made a mistake. He sent me, Brian Robinson Tutu Atwell, he tried to send me two for two seconds. He accidentally put the fifth instead of another second.

And I knew that. I took the deal live on air and my, and you know, he even said, oh, I meant to give two seconds. Now, this is something that we see I've seen in leagues. so I'm happy we get to address it now. I was a, I said, I, not said, I just immediately sent him my second back, like another second for like 20 fab. Because I knew what he was trying to send.

All right. Like, I'm not just going to be the guy that's like take advantage of somebody's mistake or whatever. So he's declined that second. He is living with that. So shout out to you, but I just feel it is important. Like, if you know someone meant, like,

to not send something, like, let's work it out. and be reasonable. Let's not you know, let's not burn bridges over stuff like that. Yeah, it was actually two-two. So Keith, Keith says adding two-two instead of two-toes is

peak irony. And I agree. Barry says, you'll pay the Thomas tax. No, you see, here's the problem. Is I'm not charging the Thomas tax. I'm getting charged the Thomas tax, which doesn't make any sense.

All right, Barry, and I know you do this, you upcharge me on players that I want strictly because it's me. You can't say you don't. I know that you do because you've told me you do. And you're not the only person that does it. So all of you making my life difficult, thank you for watching. But also, knock it off. It's really annoying.

Let's check out some more comments here. MTM Revolt says deals make more sense to both parts if you disagree with the market on something. Yes. market agreement equals no move. I won't say no move, but much harder to move. And that's where like the people will say that you value your players more than you should type thing. But you're right. Disagreeing on the market is where you get ahead.

Right. I disagreed on the market with some players this year. Some have worked out. Some have not. Right? This is where the hashtag you know ball from rounds three to five that we talked about during mock draft season comes into play like disagreeing on the market that's big we got a trade question from rie morrison puka and rice for reed and brian thomas junior start eight one qb i mean that puka and

rice is that's real enticing even though they're both hurt uh start eight so you need the the top tier is a really hard question i think it's only hard because we don't we haven't seen puka play and we don't know what Reed's injury is yet. I think like a legitimate ACL tear plus a suspension next year is like almost a death sentence for Rice, who's definitely the beneficiary of his system, less about his like outright talent. In a start eight, I want, I think I want Puka and Rice. I think I want Puka and Rice in Dynasty here. I agree and I think it's significantly less close than implying.

I really like Brian Thomas, man. I think he is the legit wide receiver one. If he just had a decent quarterback, God, Trevor Lawrence sucks. He's so bad. He's so bad. I hope they take away from Press Taylor. Stop letting that guy call plays.

Lucas. I mean, I think I'm going with the Puka and Rice side as well. Thomas, you are far and away the highest on Brian Thomas, Jr. I think any of us on the show, I know that Jacob also likes him. But yeah, you're very much the highest. being able to get someone like if rashi rice wasn't injured he'd be a top three dynasty pick right now even with the suspension looming and puka was already a top two dynasty pick it's tough to move

off of that so yeah i agree also shout out he asked that on twitter comes back on youtube to ask the same question hey he followed instructions i said ask you i said ask your questions in the YouTube chat and he followed instructions. I respect it. We love you guys, man. That's why we have the best subs in the world here. Our shaft says,

I just sent this offer in PPR, Josh Jacobs T. Higgins for Gibbs. I think this is a reasonable offer. I think this will get rejected in Dynasty formats, in redraft formats. You know, better chance because you need the points, really.

I don't know if this is start 10, start 9th, 30, but in a vacuum. I think this is a fair start. I think it's light. I think it's light. I think I'm opening the software and reject and not countering. I would counter this. If I'm the Gibbs owner.

Oh, I would counter this. I would counter this for sure. I think this is definitely worthy of a counter. If this is like James Connor or like, you know, not T, I get it. And it depends on standings. And like I said, how many you start and where you guys are. I don't think this is the worst tradeoff. that you could possibly give.

I think there's room to wiggle here. This is also the right structure. This is a really good structure, even if the players are off base. But this is a good structure. Blizzard wants to know what side of this dynasty trade. Would you rather Tua and Reed or Dobbins-Jamo Stafford?

This is Tua and Reed in any format. This is Superflex, one QB, no tight end, start two tight ends, PPR, half PPR, 4.6 point. This is 2N. Read for me

over Dobbins, JMO, and Stafford for sure. If it's one QB, I think you can argue for Dobbins and JMO, but I might be higher on Dobbins, anyone here. I might be higher than read. But I think in super, I read this as Superflex world. And yeah, very clearly too and read.

I'm high on read too. No, I love Jane and Reed. But yeah, I think if I'm. Yeah. I think I'm really high. I think I'm like wide receiver, 15 and dinasies like i might be wide receiver 13 on him i think you're blocked by wicks and christian watson dancing in your head like it's christmas eve but uh i i man read is not just

getting the a dot stuff right now and that's really important for me lucas i'm assuming you're on the tour read side as well i am still on the two of reed side yes uh a little chalky I don't know. I'll say on like the Reed versus Wix or Watson type of thing. It's totally different roles, right? So Jaden Reed is kind of, I've seen him compared to Debo Samuel. I've compared him to Debo Samuel. This is the first time a player has been widely compared to Debo Samuel that I haven't wanted to vomit in the last five years. Or are you guys vomiting right now? As I'm saying, I still disagree with the Debo thing. Okay, okay. I disagreed the deba because, okay, and I saw this tweet.

I even commented when Ryan, when Ryan, when Jake and Scott were going back and forth on this on Twitter, I still disagree with it because what makes, I understand being like good with yak and can break tackles. There have been a bunch of players that are good at that. Like that's not, that's not Debo specific. Debo was still an insane wide receiver when he broke out, like just insanely. good at playing wide receiver. They had 1,400 yards as a receiver. That's before they started,

before he became Debo, like before he got running back touches, not just rushes. What made Debo specifically unique in that time period and what everyone else has been chasing, he's getting

running back touches, not just reverses, not sweeps, not just designs. He could be an RB1 for 2018 teams in the NFL. He's that good. He came back from a hamstring injury and immediately at the first carry in the backfield. Like, that's what makes Debo Debo is his usage. I like Jaden Reed, but let's earn the same targets. Let's earn the same usage. Let's, let's just actually be Debo. I just think there's other wide receivers with great yak that could make people

miss. Granted, it's like the people he's making me. It's like Gardner Johnson, sliding on a slip and slide field that's not debo like debo would have stiff armed him dropped an elbow stepped on them and then kept going just to embarrass him like they're different stylistically like i get the yak stuff that i agree with let me elaborate then when i make the reed i'm just explaining my i roll okay okay i'm not saying that reed has every single skill or part of debo's skill set Right. I'm not saying that. I'm saying for fantasy football purposes, we are, we have an extremely talented wide receiver who is going to be schemed a ton of easy touches in a Shanahan style offense that has this schematic edge over the rest of the league we've been talking about for weeks now.

In, yeah, on an offense that is go, yeah, high scoring. And yeah, he's going to lead the league in fantasy points over expectation, probably for this entire season. And I'm okay with that, right? He's not ever going to come out of the slot, but we don't even need to worry about that because anytime he's on the field, he's getting scheme those touches and he's scoring fantasy points on them. That's the Debo Samuel comparison. So is he an awesome player?

Yeah. Do I want Jaden Reed on my teams? Yeah. is that a wide receiver who is ever going to touch like top eight dynasty wide receiver ever in my wildest dreams? No. Is that a wide receiver who is going to make it impossible for a more traditional wide receiver on his team lining up on the outside, winning in more traditional ways to score fantasy points and to be valuable? No, I think Don Tavian Wicks can go do the Brandon Ayuk thing from a year ago, right? so that yeah i love jaden reed i've been accused of not liking jaden read enough of not talking about jaden

read enough because of all the wicks posting i've been doing recently but no read read is amazing that doesn't mean that i am not interested in dontavian wicks no i i think that's totally fair i actually just had a conversation with paul patterson of peer potential who also does dynasty content for us in the off season where he said he didn't understand his dynasty value and i said he's the best wide receiver on the team. He's averaged about 19 points for game in his last 9 to 10 games with Jordan Love. He said, I said, target share is nice until you need to score points with it. And I said that I made a joke about Drake London.

He said, outlier efficiency is also nice until regression hits. And then you're just a good player with weekly upside and no season long ceiling. He said, obviously, we're searching for a combination of both. And while that's true, there's five guys on the average in a season. season that actually gives you that. And I got to tell you, everyone is trying to find that guy. So these other players are the ones that win you these leagues. So I said, there are five guys that do that on the average.

And I said, we don't always have to be searching like we're looking for the Declaration of Independence. I watched that movie recently, if you haven't guessed. That movie? It's a phenomenal, you know what a movie I'm talking about. That movie? What's it called, Tom? National Treasure.

Come on. Yeah, thank you. with it. You know, I put a quote that's on the Statue of Liberty in the chat. It has not been acknowledged yet.

So now I'm going to just be upset. You went and watch National Treasure, a very topical quote for the Canadian. Yeah, you have, so Lucas, in front of you, if you look down,

look down for me and in front of you, do you see what you have that gives you the ability that when you speak, it'll travel through the internet and into my ears. You're on the show. Why are you putting comments in the chat and expecting me to read it? Because it's way more fun that way.

Is this evolved AJ Hawk level where now you're not even talking when you want to say something that you're just putting it in the comment section? You were in the middle of a really good point. And I didn't want to interrupt you. unbelievable, unbelievable that you try to put that on me, truly. All right, let's talk some players. I just saw a wild trade in the Fantasy Points Listener League that I think needs immediate attention. You want to know what the cost of Christian McCaffrey is right now.

I just saw, yeah, Devonte Adams, a fourth and a third for Christian McCaffrey. The team getting Christian McCaffrey is two and six. You want to talk about getting points off your roster with the opportunity to potentially flip for more? That's Tom Lee, baby. That's a very Tom Lee style trade. That's a good deal if you are a rebuilder and you want an opportunity to roll value towards the end of the year, especially if you don't have a trade deadline. He's taking all the risk in that deal, and I love it. I love that deal.

I love that deal for both sides because good luck getting a first form in most leagues. You need the perfect trade partner to get it. Norrie just put up 186 points on me in that league and now gets Devante Adams. I feel like that is the type of trade that you should be looking at. I want to talk about a couple of players that I don't know if I'm buying or selling. But before I do, I have to ask, Lucas, how many commercial breaks are we at? Two. All right, we need one more.

I'll wait. I'll wait. I'll wait. After this player, we'll hit the last one because I'm a company man. We're keeping track of that. There's a couple of players. I have put in the notes that I feel like it's important to just talk about at this point. Let's talk about, uh, this hurts.

Tankdale. I feel like we need to have a conversation about Tankdale because I was very pro. Tank Dell. I was very just get who's cheaper. And instead, Nigo Collins has decided, I'm a top five wide receiver in this league. That's just it.

I'm pretty sure he's wide receiver, six for me right now in Dynasty. He's unstoppable. He's unbelievable. I'm wearing egg all over my face, as my wife would say to me. But let's talk about Tank Dell. He missed week four due to the rib and hand injuries.

Nico Collins is unbelievable. 12 receptions for 151 in a touchdown. Tankdale was not performing even when he was in. He was the meme with the guy with the stick saying, come on, let's do something. Stefan Diggs does seem to be eating into the work, even though he's getting used like a tight end, which I'm still happy for because that's literally his nickname in leagues for me

is tight end one, Stefan Diggs, and it's still very relevant. Just insane. Collins last 11 games of CD Shrout, 82 receptions, 1288 yards, six touchdowns on 109 targets, damn near 22 points for game. What is actually there for Tank Dell? And is he a player we target as someone with more risk?

Or are you just out entirely? Are you trying to tear sideways? And if so, to what? We talk about how to identify players to me. Tank Dell is a player that I am identifying as a player that I want to buy, but feels really gross paying the price to do it. So let's talk about Tank Dell

because so far all signs are bad, really bad. There's not a lot to give us hope here. Mixon's coming back, so they're going to be back to running the rock. Everyone else in that offense is broken out, except for Dalton Schultz, who sucks anyway. But let's talk about Tankdale. I think it's just so, unfortunate especially with what you were having to pay even as like one of the cheaper options out of

the two sorry the cheaper option of nico and tank wherever they were both almost matching each other a week for week until dell went down for that injury and i don't know how much of this is maybe him still like working his way back or because he was gone it just allowed stroud and colins to continue to grow without him i do think though that there is going to be light than to a tunnel i just don't know what a fully realized tank Dell looks like at this point in time, especially with our assets on that offense. I think there's value after this season with Tank Dell. And if you can acquire him at a discounted price, I mean, we've already been going over that on the show. But if you can have the opportunity to acquire him and not have to pay the premium that you were having to do

in the off season, then I think that it's definitely worthwhile. But you're not buying him for this season. There are like on a rebuilding team, if you can get him as a throw in whenever you're trying to potentially pass on a player that's your, that's projected to score more points. I think that that will work out really well for both managers and that point. Like you take on that risk, you take on the depreciated asset at that time, but knowing that like I truly think that this is the worst he's going to be for the next three plus seasons. Like I think that it can only go uphill from here. and it just sucks looking at some of the other wide receivers that were drafted around him. Thomas, I am curious if you would do Tank Dell or J.S.N. at this point in time.

Oh, bro. You're absolutely killing me. Just because you know how much I don't like him. Oh, I know. That Applebee's two for 25, man. It was so good. It was really good. And then he goes out and has a great game. And then he goes out again and gets a two for 25 with an appetite. so he can get three for 39. And then he had a game this week where I think that this is just kind of what he is.

My heart tells me Tankdale. My brain tells me JSN. I think I would take JSN straight up. I think I would. I don't think you'd get it, but I'd actually be willing to add on to JSN to do it. So there you go. I'd be willing to add on to tank to get the JSN, I think.

I think. I just think that it's clear. There's a wide receiver one in this room. Tankdells looks like he's been alpha-cutt, and I try to avoid the alpha-cucked wide receivers. This is one of the reasons I don't have a lot of Devontas-Smith because he's been alpha-cucked, and when AJ Brown is there,

AJ Brown's him. So I don't know. Maybe this will bite me in the ass, but I'm kind of again. I'm kind of on JSN there. Ryan, where are you at with Tankdale now? He's frustrating, man. I think Dell is a logical buy on rebuilding teams.

I'll say this, right? So the kind of the whole thesis of when we were arguing all offseason about it better to tear down to tank Dell from Nico Collins to take the like two round and a startup discount and just take Dell instead, right? The reason you did that was, okay, these two wide receivers score. within half a fantasy point per game of each other when they were both healthy and playing together in Stroud's rookie season, right? And you're getting that security of Tankdale is tied to one of the best young

quarterbacks in the league for the entirety of both of their rookie contracts, right? Mm-hmm. None of that's changed. None of that's changed. What's changed is in a three-game sample, Collins has balled, right? and Diggs has been there, right? Has commanded more targets than Tank Dell. But look, the expected fantasy points on Tank Dell per game is like 11.7.

Yeah, he's underperforming that very significantly. But especially if I'm in rebuild mode or whatever, or I'm in the rebuild mindset, yeah, then I really care about the expected fantasy points, right? because that's their role. That tells me more than seven fantasy points per game, right? So, yeah, I'm still Dell over JSN, I think. If you'd ask me like exactly after week two, I would have said JSN probably. But yeah, I'm still going to lean Dell here.

And because look, Stefan Diggs is, I would be surprised if he's back with the Texans next year, right? this situation can improve in the nearer future in like good timing for a rebuild if you're trying to do like a quick one year rebuild or yeah so yeah i i don't mind dell at all i still i still think dell's a good player is ass is still good someone asked about his ass in the chat uh but third on the team below collins below digs but i mean in the larger sample del was a top three or with top one with I believe you led the league in average separation score as a rookie so yeah that's what that's where I would lean is okay so I still I still think tank Dell is about

as good as I thought he was for four weeks ago well let's break it down then there's a couple trades here via dynasty data lab let's talk about it we have got DJ Moore or tank Dell and Ricky Pearson so hmm I'm very tempted to go tank Dell and Ricky Pearson so I'm also always on the team that's rebuilding. So, you know, you just, you back me into a corner with that one. I feel targeted. I think, I think this says more about like my DJ more take than my tank Dell take. But yeah, I'm going to take the side here. Okay. Let's go Rice or Dell and a 26 second. Rice. I think Rice. I agree. I'm big. Because this is because either side of that deal, you're obviously taking risks. Sides of this deal are are taking risk and devalue.

current production right or short-term production so yeah get get give me the guy that's been a top five wide receiver in a small sample okay let me message you a bit Jonathan Brooks or tanked L straight up mm-hmm because I know my answer and it might surprise some people but it's Jonathan Brooks I think it's Brooks I think this is I think this is a deal where I I think both sides can make sense I think I think this is one where if you're the contender and you're trying to get Brooks a week or too early than that can, I think this is one that can work out for both parties. But yeah, straight up, I'd rather be on the brook side of it.

Yeah, these are right on the line, too. This is a very good job of picking these trades because it hurts a little bit to actually state which side you want to be on. But I think it's still Brooks here too. Okay. Let's talk about a few more players, but I just want to mention that stood out to me before we get out of here. This show ended up being a lot more theory than I thought,

and I hope you enjoy that. But we truly mean that when I said that these can save your season in the title, that's not clickbait. Changing the way that you approach trades can save your season. It can save your outlook. So let's take our break. We come back. We've got a couple players.

We'll get our picks. and we will get the heck out of here. Sit tight. Let's talk about a few more. I like to call them tweener players. And what that means is they are players that I think will not ever hit elite status anymore, but they're not worthless, right? That's why I go tank Dell.

He's not worthless, but he's not really, in my opinion, Tankdale doesn't have the opportunity to ever hit round two or round three. he just can't do it in my opinion like a lot of things would have to go a certain way including stroud actually doing what jacob predicted which is break a ton of passing records and such i don't think anyone's breaking those records right now because offense sucks uh it just sucks right now unless you're like four guys it's terrible so let's talk about some tweeners and one of my favorite tweeners to talk about and uh there's a reason i picked it because i like a week four to five

victory lap. Travis E.T.N. and Tank Bigsby, baby. E.T.N. has been bad. He has been real bad. Played fewer than 60% of snaps in week four. He did

end up having a shoulder injury. Tank Bigsby is emerging. Bigsby's 21 carries for 172 yards is 8.2 yards per carry. He's outperforming ETN's 47 for 214 and 2. 4.6 yard per carry mark.

They are 29th in scoring rate, 28% of possessions. That's really bad. From the article, I got this from, they're downgrading ETN to a flex play. This is from the market report on fantasy points.com. This is important. And if you remember at the top of the show,

we mentioned that Ryan thinks he knows why Jacobs really not here. And guess what? Because we were going to talk positively about Tank Biggsby. Because all offseason, Jacob commented that he might be the worst player in the NFL. And Jacob is afraid. But Ryan, I think you have a little more on it. Yeah.

So let me take you to my Monday afternoon, right? So more than 24 hours before we recorded this. So I'm at work, bored, scrolling Twitter, as one does. and I'm coming across some of Jacobs' film takes on Chase Brown, right? And I enjoyed Jacob's film takes. I think he's a smart guy when it comes to evaluating running backs. Just reading what he has to say about Chase Brown, watching some of the plays, kind of enjoy myself.

And I don't know if it was a certain turn of phrase he used that reminded me of a previous Jacob take or what it was, but it pops into my head. Jacob was so high on Tank Bigsby coming out as a prospect, higher than probably anyone in the industry, certainly anyone on this show. Why isn't Jacob taking the Tank Bigsby victory lap yet? What's going on?

He's out gaining Travis E.TN in games they've played together this year that Tank Bigsby has 10 more rushing yards than Travis ETN in the three games that Biggsby wasn't hurt for, so taking out week two, right? Leading the league in yards per carry, he's looking awesome. He just got both of the goal line attempts last week, right? Travis E.TN, it has, literally the thing that Jacob made fun of everyone for thinking

going into last year that Tank Vigsby was a threat to Travis Eton. Tank Vigsby is unironically a threat to Travis Etyn right now. Travis Etyn, 12 and a half expected fantasy points per game this year. He's averaged 12.7 fantasy points per game over his last 13 games. I believe since he got injured in the London game in 2003 is what that split it. Jacob, where is the victory laugh? Tank Bigsby's awesome.

You were never wrong. You were just early. Why won't you take accountability for your good takes? I don't understand it. I think we have an answer. He has been so pro ETID and so pro Jags and so anti-Bigsby after the first year. A lot of people were.

but I understand why he's not lapping this one. That is such a great call, Ryan. So shout out everyone. We're going to at Jacob, at Jacob Sanderson and ask him for those tank Bigsby victory laps. Let's get those mentions cooking. No, the better thing to do, no, the better thing to do is at Jacob Sanderson.

Thank you so much for your tank Vigsby take coming out as a rookie. I have them on all my teams and I'm so happy right now. that's what you need to do Jacob you were first to tank Bigsby thank you you helped my dynasty team that's what I want Jacob's mentions to be filled in all right let's do it let's do it but really um

is this just an aborician like is this just something that isn't really there or are the signals actually shifting ETN's value we're a draft not we dear God not we I'd lose my ability to do this podcast if I ever tap

that button after all the rant that I put out on the internet about this guy all year. I'm sorry, Travis E.TN. I know you'll never do this show ever, no matter what, but round three, insane. Not to mention like I was wrong on Seguan Barclay. I'm eating Crow on that. Every single day

for the Seguan Barclay fade. That's on me. That's all my bad because Christ, unreal good that guy. But let's talk about it. Is he even worth buying right now? Like, So I think the angle of buying Travis ETN right now is Doug Peterson went out in his post-game

presser and blamed his players for what happened on the field, essentially. I believe the quote was, you know, us coaches, yeah, we can draw it up, but we can't do it out there on the field or whatever. Did you notice he caught himself right after? Did you notice that? I didn't see any catching himself in that clip at all. Oh, because he goes immediately after he goes, but if you want to point the at somebody you blame me i'm a man i can take it yeah yeah i feel like he immediately realized that

he just threw his entire team under the bus it was like shit yeah but regardless that this is uh this has the energy of a coach that's going to be fired sooner than later right and i'm not saying that that's happening two weeks from now i'm not even saying it's going to happen before the end of the season but i think your angle for the travis et n by right now is okay whoever has Travis E.TN in your league is like me, is a person that's extremely sensitive to the utilization for running backs, right? That's what I care about more. So then even are they scoring fantasy points is what's the utilization look like? Travis Eton is the RB 27 in expected fantasy points per game. I'm pretty down on him, right? Maybe you can come take him off my hands. If you have the conviction

in the Travis Eton talent and think random coaching staff X also might recognize that, then I think you buy. And then I think that's how that works out for you. This, and it's not even that crazy to imagine because this is exactly what just happened for the Ken Walker conviction people. And I'm kind of jealous, right? Not that Ken Walker's price was ever that reasonable or ever where Travis ETS is right now. But you get a new coaching staff come in and is like, okay, Travis Eton is clearly the better runner, the better everything. then great, then you're profiting. I don't know that that's going to happen.

I'm not buying Travis E.T.N. At the moment, I would love to sell Travis E.T.N. Especially on my rebuilding teams. But I think that's the, if I was Jacob, that's what I'd be saying probably. Yeah, he is, he is somebody that if he was on a contending team, he might have sunk you. Right. If you went in with your RB1 as Travis ETN on these contenders, you're probably sunk. You're probably not doing as well as you thought, pivoting sideways.

he's somebody that I would try to move for, I don't know, a Brian Robinson and get a little snack on top. Like those are moves to me that I would make. And if I'm a lower standing team with Brian Robinson, I would maybe take that and hope for an ETN bounce back, especially if you don't believe in Biggsby. But when we talk about what makes players a buy or a sell, we forgot to mention that.

It can be situational. If you think Press Taylor is the problem, and most people that I know and respect think Press Taylor is a big part of the problem. And Doug Peterson, big, guys, they're not getting back on the plane in London. They're going to get left, but they are fired after that London game, in my opinion. They're not long for their jobs. And if you can buy before New Hope, because New Hope injects value into players, it really can. I actually would strongly recommend buying Trevor Lawrence.

These are the lowest he's going to be. This is the lowest you're going to see Trevor Lawrence, in my opinion. This is a time to buy for me. This is, in my opinion, inappropriate time. I would pay the price. Christian Kirk, another guy, good couple games. Maybe somebody's trying to look to pivot off. Finally, Christian Kirk, good games.

That would have made me look like a dummy all off season. he was a buy in my tier sheet and the recent update, I'm buying him. I would consider buying Travis E.TN. I really would consider it so long as the price reflected as current production. I do not want to buy players

on their current production because their current production is not actually their value. And that's a very clear, distinct difference to me. What do you mean by that, Tom? Glad you asked. If we're looking at players that we want to buy that we know

Wondale Robinson. I'm not buying Wondale because his value is going to be more expensive than I know what his actual dynasty value is because he's had fake good production in my opinion. This dude is a scatback. He's going to be the 10 catches for like 55 yards,

75 yards type good player. As Buck said in his thread, he's like, you know, bad PR, JSN. I can agree with that. that if we're actually having to pay bad PR JSN types right now for a guy like Wondale, I would pay it. But we're not. ETN is a guy whose production might have actually changed his value.

That makes him a buy for me. So that's a difference. I don't want to buy someone's current production if it's well above what their market value is. That's where you're going to have a bad time. So I'm actually on the side of buying Jaguars players right now because it's so bad. It's so bad. It's hard to fathom it staying that bad. So situation definitely matters.

I want to talk about one more tweener and then we can get out of here so everyone can get on with their day. I want to talk about Jordan Addison. He's on the thumbnail and I'm not going to not talk about the person I put in the thumbnail four weeks in a row. We're talking about Jordan Addison. And with Jordan Addison comes all the receivers that are in that. Little cubby of value. But let's talk about them. We have,

we have the J.S.N. Jalen Wattle, Brandon Ayuk, Addison, Zay Flowers, DJ Moore, T. Higgins area of Keep Trade Cut. That stands out to me. These are receivers that are going to cost you a first. These are receivers that are probably going to cost you a first and a second. And I want to know if we should actually actually be buying them or not?

Are these players difference makers enough that you're buying them at these prices? Because there's some that I would and some that I admittedly wouldn't, but they're all the same value based on who had a better game than the other this week. Let's be real. That's what's making it. So let's talk about it because these wide receivers are your flexes, that your wide receiver threes. There's some people wide receiver twos because they're degenerates.

let's talk about them. Jordan Addison came back from the injury, three for 72 and a score. He looked like he was going to start cooking to start the year and suffered the ankle injury. I think he had three for 41. I don't have it in front of me. I should.

But I know it was three for roughly around there. And then he got hurt. Are you buying these receivers for these productions, these wide receiver two, with some boom weeks. Are they worth it to you at this in week four of the season? And more importantly,

are you giving up that sweet, sweet first round pick to do it? I'll start with Ryan. Oh, I was going to let Lucas go first for once. I was just, I was just looking up my snacks for me. Yeah, I did pull it up.

You were right three for 72 and one. I was really shocked whenever I was checking Dynasty Day Labs earlier for those trades, which were in Edison. And the most common one I saw was Jordan Addison for a 2025 first. That was all over the place, which it kind of makes sense, though. I don't think that if you have Jordan Addison, you would want to move him for anything less

than the first. It just doesn't make a lot of sense for you. But I don't know too many times that I would really actually be looking to move my 2025 first for Jordan Addison. Now, Ryan, you might have like a scenario where. that makes sense. I just, as I'm thinking about, there's, there's not many that I can think of to where, like, that's the type of trade that you want to make.

I would want to be trying to do a little bit bigger game hunting or even if I have to take on a little bit of an older asset, I would still like one that's producing more and has that path to more elite production than the Madison. I'll give the even stronger take. I think sending your first for Jordan Addison right now is one of, I think that's some of the least bang you're going to get for your buck as a first on a contending team. Because that's the only, yeah, we'll say that's the situation.

I think I have a super late first that's getting as close as possible to the value. And I want Jordan Addison. Jordan Addison, I don't think, is the difference maker to your title odds this year, right? So him being very, let's be real, very likely the third option in this offense after T.J. Hawkinson comes back, which I don't know if we've gotten recent news on that, but could be in the next month or so, wouldn't be particularly surprised by the time fantasy playoffs are around T.J. Hawkinson is probably close to 100%. I like this offense. I like having pieces of this offense in theory. Highest pass rate inside the red zone over the past three years, I believe

belongs to Kevin O'Connell. It didn't really change. when cousins left the yeah everything about this offense is great i like in the abstract having pieces of it but jordan addison as someone who's never really gone out and commanded all that many targets from like a target chair perspective so a little bit bigger in an offense like this sure i yeah i just can't get there i can't see the scenario where jordan addison in my flex is what's winning me a title. So yeah, I'm just never paying the first for him. I'm going to find a different. If I am selling my first because I'm trying to win a title, I'm going to find a player, I think has a better chance of doing that for me. That's really just what it comes down to.

And I don't love the player or like the will he retain the value or him as as an asset in a vacuum either. But yeah, just coming at it from like the most charitable perspective of someone who might be in position to sell a first for Jordan Addison, I still don't think it makes sense. It's one of those things. If you're telling me Addison is worth a first, but you're telling me Ayuk is worth a first and a second, what do you think I'm paying for?

I'll pay for Ayuk. And yeah, he's had a bad start to the year, but every receiver that missed camp because they were holding out kind of an ass, except for Cedie Lamb, who had a great, as he had really an elite game yet, I'm not sure. At a really good game, I know that. They've all kind of been,

low. So if you look at it that way, it kind of makes a little more sense. But I think you are right, which is what my issue was with Tank Dell. They're the same tier. They're the same tier of player. So if one's a... Well, I'm not paying a... I'm not buying Tank Dell for a first I know, but I wanted to tie that back in.

Because these are the tier of players that I see the most people try to get a first for. Is the Tankdell, the Addison. Hell, even DJ Moore right now is not worth his weight in gold. in my opinion in this offense. Getsy, oh my God.

This guy's got to get out of the NFL. For the love of God, please get him out of the NFL. But it's the George Pickens. Now, there are players in this tier that I think don't belong here. Jalen Waddle doesn't belong here. Jalen Waddle is worth more than a one. Jalen Waddle is a player. I am buying.

You're going to talk about situational buying the Miami Dolphins. Buy. Please buy. Please go buy Jalen Waddle. just pay the price, pay the first and a half, pay the price, it's going to pay off. We know it's going to pay off. This offense looks so night and day, it's insane, and we know that. We know he's great.

Pay the price. He's actually somebody that I would pay the price above his current production, for sure. But then you get the Jaden Reed. I definitely pay a first for Jaden Reed. Like I said, he's becoming like a damn near two first player for me. He is unbelievably good in my opinion. I'm all in. but if you if you just apply market and take situation and apply that to your league i'm telling

you you're getting oh he said gets he's with the raiders my fault it's the other one that i'm messing up here but um because gets you with chicago last year i'm not mistaken correct that was the legendary jacob rant from right right right my bad i'm living in last year um waldron there's the one um still asked game difference honestly yeah yeah the good thing could be the same guy honestly get them out they're using the same playbook he's he's ass um but this is that tier of wide receiver like higgins being below higgins look at these look we can crack jokes at keep trade cut we can keep track or we can keep track geez oh my god we can we can poke fun and make jokes and crack fun at people that send you the keep trade cut screenshots

for trade values like look bro i added eight garbage pieces to this this, they value the same. If you go and look, T. Higgins's worth is, is one spot ahead of Chris Godwin right now. That's crazy. T. Higgins is going to get paid.

He's going to get paid a lot. And his value is going to double. Go by T. Higgins. If you want to know how to identify players, we know these players are better than where they're being listed at. I, I, Uke, Waddle, and, like, I'm sorry, T. Higgins below Xavier Worthy,

what are we doing? What are we doing? The wide receiver five in expected fantasy points per game right now. A higher target share than Jemar Chase at the moment. Not saying that's going to keep up, but is at least a proof of concept that D. Higgins,

what's on a different team or whatever in a different situation can do that, can score as a wide receiver one, right? But yeah, why not? Yeah, I totally agree. Higgins should be above that chair. Right. And I mean, even like Drake, London's becoming a buy.

Why receiver 18? Go check in. Go check in. Like these are the guys. And I understand your leagues aren't going to like match up with keep trade cut. But if you want the best and fastest way to identify who's a buy

and who's a sell, go and look at these crowd sources and then go and try to apply that to your leagues and you know your leagues. I also realize that I didn't mention this beforehand. But how about some hot takes before you? we get player picks. Because I was talking with Buck about this in the DMs.

I was talking with Ryan about this a little bit in the DMs. I'm over Patrick Mahomes. I don't think Patrick Mahomes gives you an edge anymore. And I think it's been a while. I think Patrick Mahomes is settling in with every other pylon with some minor rushing that comes with it because the NFL has changed. and it's really become, if you're a pocket passer, really hard for you.

Really hard for you. I'm not buying Patrick Mahomes as a buy low. I'm not doing it. And if I can get out of Patrick Mahomes for any quarterback reasonably tiered sideways and anything on top, I think I'm just going to do it. He's not in my...

I'm telling you, my next tier update, he's not going to be in the top three tiers. He's just not. I'm done. I'm over it. I think I'd rather have Jordan Love. I really would. The offense is better, right?

The receiver, like, he's just been better. His points better since he became a starter, really. He's been better for you on a week-to-week basis than Mahomes is. I think I'm just there. I think I'm just there. Maybe that's a hot take. I don't know. Do you think it's a hot takey, but I'm done?

Do you think it's possible to move off of Patrick Mahomes for Jay and Daniels? Is that a move that you're looking to try to make? You can't get it. You can't get it. There's no shot. you're going to get it. I don't think there's any way you're going to get it. People live in the now. I don't think there's any anyway. What about you, Ryan? Do you think someone's giving up Jaden Daniels right now for someone like Patrick Mahomes? I don't think so. Yeah, if I, if I, I have

Jayden Daniels in that Scott Barrett Invitational League that you mentioned earlier, if I, if I received that trade offer, I'm rejecting it right now. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So here, and here's why, right? If you have Jaden Daniels, teams probably a contender, right? that's a reasonable assumption. And just everything about him as a player aside and how awesome he looks, obviously that should be understood too. But Patrick Mahomes, I believe the, see, I'm bringing like DFS stats to dynasty points now. I think the stat was, we're good to go.

DFS I can live with. In his last 18 starts, 20 starts, something like that, has not got in the regular season, has not gone over 22 fantasy points or game or 23 fantasy points in any game over his last 18 starts. I hope I'm not totally butchering that. But the point is, Patrick Mahomes is not actually a weak to weak advantage, right? That's what I'm saying. Winning your matchup.

Certainly not in terms of shipping a millie in DFS or whatever. But yeah, in terms of winning your matchup, is he that different than having Sam Donald plugged in at your Superflex right now? No, he's not. All the stuff that Scott Barrett has been tweeting about like him versus Brock Purdy and Mahomes is actually the checkdown king. Just what it is. Here's the tweet from Scott Barrett.

Patrick Mahomes has failed to hit 21 fantasy points and 13 straight games. Here are some QBs with more. Josh Allen, nine, Lamar Jackson, seven, Brock Purdy, six, Josh Dobbs, five, Derek Carr, four, Desmond Ritter, three, Russell Wilson, two, Bryce Young. One. I think Patrick Mahomes is bored with the NFL. I think he doesn't care until the fourth quarter. And then he locks in.

That's why he's just the, he is a phenomenal quarterback. He is the best quarterback in the NFL. But for fantasy, he's just kind of a pylon now. It's just the way this offense operates. They run the ball way more than we want them to. And in the most boring way, the chiefs are boring to watch. Shotgun dive up the middle. shotgun dive up the middle shotgun dive up the middle get the full back out of there stop it like kareem hunt was brought in off the street

and he came in this week and just got so much work uh ceh is going to do the same thing by the right yeah and i really hope he does he was he was a way for a mental thing and i'm i'm hoping he got himself right um because that's really hard to deal with pro athletes they're people right so sometimes got stuff to deal with but Over their last 13 games, this is the one that really ticked me off. Patrick Mahomes has 15.4 fantasy points per game over his last 13. Russell Wilson is 17.1. Yeah. Drink that in for a moment.

I'm going to go put on my Broncos Wilson jersey and just lift it up for a moment again. Right. Right. It's bad. And what's on the other side? No, Rishi Rice. All right. Xavier Worthy turning in Tyree Kill tomorrow.

it's crazy. It's crazy how much I think Tyree Kill changed everything on that team. Because really, since he left, Holmes hasn't been the same fantasy asset. He's not doing the things that he would. So I think, I think, I think I'm done. I think I'd rather have guys like Jordan Love, Brock Purdy, et cetera, if I can get anything close.

And here's where I think someone might bite my hands. head off by the end of this year. I don't think Patrick Mulhomes is a first round pick next year. He's not. I don't think he is. I think, like, Daniels will be. I want to talk about a guy that I think it ended up going 104? Dayton Daniels.

And Ryan and Jacob said that in the off season, in our draft era of the off season, where he said if there's a guy that you should be smash picking every time at 3-4, it's them. Like, Marvin Harrison's going in the first round. Malik Naber is going in the first round. Chase will stay in the first round. Lamb, first round. Ammonrae first round.

Jefferson, first round. Lamar, Alan, Hertz. Maybe. Hertz has been really bad, too. But he runs. It's just like, where does Mahomes fit in in Dynasty anymore? I don't know. I think I'm done.

Go, go ask a Rebuilder if they want Patrick Mahomes. That's what I was just going to say. Yeah, I think if I'm trying to get points off my roster, we'll say, then maybe I'm going and acquiring Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know because, yeah, that's obviously the upside to Patrick Mahomes and what his, what I viewed him as even before the season.

And I think what maybe more people will come to view him as now is this is the quote unquote safest long term asset you can possibly get, right? Just because of how amazing of a real life player he is. We know Patrick Mahomes. Give me, give me Patrick Mahomes against what I say against the field at quarterback right now to have to be playing the or to be the most likely to still be playing or still be being or still be valued as a top 10 dynasty quarterback 10 years from now right is is that like a there might be an obvious one I'm forgetting maybe Jacob would have an issue of over that

with a C.J. Stroud or something but yeah fat mohams long term sure great I that's a safe store of value. He's like gold, right? Here, I'm mixing financial metaphors now. But yeah, he's, he's going to hold his value. Patrick Mahomes is never going to zero in like in any time horizon that actually makes sense to think about in Dynasty, right? So yeah, I think he unironically is a, I think this team is two or three years away type of buy. Now, does his price likely reflect that in most leagues where it makes sense to actually do that? No, probably not. but that's like the ideal situation in terms of what do you mean for selling or buying for buying for buying i don't think you're i don't think if you're a

rebuilder i don't think you're buying the homes right now for anything that makes sense why not you're telling me there aren't rebuilders out there with some like midterer quarterback with like a receiver option they can toss on top i think there is hell i just watch Devante Adams get traded for Christian McCaffrey. I'm pretty sure. Am I going and offering like Darnell and like first or something for yeah, I don't know. But I mean like think about it.

Some of these guys have multiple firsts, these rebuilders. You tell them you can't offer one of your, you know, later ones and a little something to go and get. And then that other player that has Mahomes who might be rocking other quarterbacks at this point is out there outscoring them. Maybe he doesn't want more ammo. I think. I think we just run into the endowment stuff here.

Sure. Yeah. I just think there's very few managers that are going to actually pull the trigger on moving off Patrick Mahomes for Sam Darnold at first. What about Baker Mayfield to have first? See, I'm into it. Oh, gosh. I'm into it. I don't think people do it.

That's my issue. I think, and I don't have much of Mahom's. So I guess I have trouble putting myself. in those shoes, but... Are you saying that somebody wouldn't pay that to get them? I agree. No, I'd love to... Or no, I would...

Okay. On a rebuild, I'd love to go pay Darnold at a first for Moms. I think that is a totally sensible thing to do on a rebuild. I don't think the guy with Mahomes is doing that, though. But what about Baker and a 1? Do you think the guy with Mahomes is moving, Mahomes or Baker in a 1?

I think I'd do it. I think I'd do it. That one gives you way more ammo to go and move to get another piece to go. I'm going to go send some offers after the show is what it sounds like. For my homes. Yeah. Yeah.

I do think that we need to get. We need to get some input from the chat from our test scored on how feasible that actually is. Right. And like I said, I might, I might, I might be talking out of my ass in a total heap of, I've, I'm lost in the sauce hot take. but two years now is Baker Mayfield out producing Patrick Mahomes in Tampa Patrick Mahomes is a legit detriment to your team in a four point passing touchdown.

He is a legit detriment. Like he is put in Gino. I'm benching Patrick Mahomes this week to play Gino Smith. If that isn't just a clear indicator of actual production, I don't know. I don't know. You're just,

you're just holding on to a name brand now, I think. Yeah, but I think, I think most people do that, though, is what is the take that I'm giving. I think most people are going to, I think that if there's a name brand anyone's holding on to, it's Patrick Mahomes. So yeah, Thomas, maybe after the show turns off, maybe you and I go work out a deal. Do you have Mahomes? I, I want to know.

I want to know. Yeah, maybe we go do that. And I'm sure that's something the two of us could do. But I think if we're giving it, I think if we're giving advice. advice to the average fantasy manager. I don't think most, I don't think Patrick Mahomes is someone you can go out and get at a price that makes. I'm telling you.

I know what we were talking about earlier. If you got a team that six and one. I think that's like a perfect example of endowment effect. If you've got a team that's six and one, you play with the median or you don't play in the median, they're three and one to like third and points four and they're like, if I just had a quarterback that didn't score 13 points a game in this four. point passing. If I just like that is it and I

traded all my picks away already to acquire. I don't have any more buying power. I don't have any more ammo. Go get more ammo and go outscore Patrick Mahomes. Like if you told me Baker Mayfield outscored my homes this year, I'd be like

of course he did. Hell, fuck yeah, he did. Easily. And then you go and get more ammo, you get more picks. You get more liquidity to go ahead. Then you take that liquidity you attach that to a player to upgrade that player to another one. And now you're sitting at that next tier. Patch of Mojames can cost you the buy week.

Isn't that insane? That's insane. That's actually crazy. He can cost you the buy week. So I get the TD says like, Mahomes clears. I get the idea just a little too far. I think it is for now.

I'm telling you three more weeks of 12, 15, 14, 14. grind the ball run it or she rice news Xavier worthy isn't putting up 20 points Kelsey's great but that's all they got Justin Watson I'm telling you it it starts to really begin

to turn the wheels in the brain you will hear some players that are more valuable in your super flex spot right now please from the warlord please say some non-quarter that would be oh no there's there's so many non-quarterbacks that are more valuable right now patrick mahord right right now his war in a superflex league if he's in your superflex position so

not even as your starter as your superflex is point one one so him being in your superflex gives you an 11% chance like additional chance of winning your league just based solely off of his performance people hire right now derrick not a surprise joe flacco on a per game basis is more valuable uh of course um we have brock purdy in there i already said derrick car aram rogers more valuable oh ryan thomas junior mike evans uh that that was the main shocking one tony pollard zach moss joan jennings those are all players Jesus awful one game. Like let's...

Chuba Hubbard. Yeah, that's what I'm... She's entering just player receiver territory. That's disgusting. That's gross. It's gross. You can literally cost you the buy week. So I'm telling you, Ryan, it may...

It sounds nuts and it's really hard to do. I'm just saying, and maybe, like I said, I said at the beginning, it's a hot take. It's galaxy brain. it might be pushing it a little bit too far. I totally get that I can be memed for this. I understand. I'm just saying, in the Home League, I have Mahomes.

I can't get rid of him. I can't trade him. I tried to trade him. I tried to trade him for two years. Best offer I got was Bryce Young and a one. Glad I didn't take it. I'm not joking. Not even the.

great value hunter Jacob Sanderson himself would take him in the home league can't move him so it's it's not and six point passing touchdown leagues is probably a little bit different but in the four point leagues

man I'm telling you start to consider it everybody because unless something drastic happens and I don't know how it would that the Rams Chiefs game from like 2021 it's not coming through the door. What glorious game.

It's not showing up on your rosters with the way the NFL is going and the way he's going. I don't see it. So I think maybe it's time we start really having that conversation. Maybe I'm the first one that has. I don't know. Maybe I'm the first one that's really saying it out loud to do this in Dynasty Superflex,

but it hasn't been the one of the ones for a lot. Do you want to get a deal done on air right now, Tom? What do you got? You can open up your roster right now. I have no idea if you have Mahomes in any league that we're in together. We can try to do this. Okay, I'm going to go to break, right? I'm going to cut a break and I'm going to load up the player picks.

I'll let you go last, all right, on the player picks. You go and find leagues that we're in. If I've got a Mahomes, you let me know. Go search right now. There's only like five that we're in or four that we're in. And you let me know, we're going to go to break. But I'm just saying, think about it, people. You might not be around one pick next year.

and I don't know if I want to be holding the bag. Sit tight. We'll come back. Player picks. It's week three of Canadian tires early Black Friday sale. These prices won't go lower this year. Maybe too long. Freezing.

Save up to 50% November 20th to 27th. Conditions apply, details online. All right. So we don't take two hours. Although you guys love the two-hour shows. You guys have loved the two-hour shows. You have been asking for more of them. I had one person ask if we could do three and a half hours

so they can not only cut their live. lawn, but they can do the weed whacking as well. And I told them absolutely the hell not. But if you're new to this show and you're listening for the first time, this is a dynasty show, but we like to have bragging rights. And we play for bragging rights in terms

of we pick a player, a quarterback outside of the top 15, a running back outside of the top 15, a wide receiver outside of the top 30, and a tight end outside of the top 12 because we hate ourselves. Jacob, Ryan, Lucas, and I, each play we pick different players and every week we take the total of them tally them up and at the end of the year the winner

picks the drinks of choice on the live draft show pretty cool right and let me tell you pickle juice and maple syrup again the pickleback shots were really disgusting Ryan lucked out joining this show a year after that because that was gross but when I tell you to be ready Ryan

because it's going to be even worse next year if he keeps this dominant pace we're screwers you guys are dumering so much come on just make some good player picks and jacob how about you mr coming from last place let's not let's let's let's bite that down that the person who gave jacob win last year you now mocking us from last place you're solely responsible for me taking that pickleback shot i was in the lead i was in the lead um but speaking of Jacob's not here. We'll start with his, but in first right now,

at 294.16 points is Jacob. I am in second at 191.92. I was starting to make a comeback. Now I'm 100 points behind. Lucas is 177.66 and Ryan at 161.84. Because Ryan is looking for a feasible trade for Patrick Bahams in the leagues that we are in, I will start with Jacobs.

He is taking Trevor Lawrence now that he's actually bad enough and ranked bad enough to be in his outside of his top 15. position. He's also going Devin Singletary against Seattle. That's a good picks. He picked Dontavian Wix against the Rams and he has left a note that says quote suck it Ryan. He's

also taken Colby Parkinson so it is Lawrence Singletary Wix and Colby Parkinson and I'll go to Lucas next. So right now Jacob did get him before all of us to do some picks.

So for once. Yeah, for once. So maybe since he's not doing it last or second to last, we stand a chance this week. Because we're taking away all of the obvious ones that he wouldn't want to do anyway. But regardless, at quarterback going with Caleb Williams against a good matchup in Carolina. So hopefully can actually have a quarterback that does something. Remandre Stevenson against Miami, Tennessee just ran all over them, though.

So, I mean, a lot of it was also in garbage time. and Tennessee was on their second string quarterback, but I'm going to take it. I got to change some things up. I'm going a little bit riskier. And then Cortland Sutton against Las Vegas has had two good weeks in a row. One of those was buoyed by a touchdown. But I'll take that. And then Cade Otten, who has sneakily had, I think, 13 receptions over the past two weeks.

So we'll see against Atlanta. That's a tough defensive draw. but I do like his last two-week production. Okay, okay, I can vibe with that. I can vibe with that. I'm up next. I'm back to Sam Darnold because I love him. I am risking a potential zero because I, we got a swing.

We got a swing. I'll take Joe Mixen. I think he plays this week. He's day-to-day. Please, Joe, if you're listening, this worked last time with Shaheed, so I'll do it again. Joe, if you could, I need you to suit up, buddy. Really bad. I need a big week.

So I just, if you could just make the Thursday practice and like the Friday walkthrough, so I'm not crying Saturday afternoon knowing that Jacob's gotten a further lead, I'd appreciate it. Thank you. Going to wide receiver, I'm taking Wondale, Wario Robinson. I will take his 10 catches for 50 yards at this point because I need 15 points. And I should have went with them last week, but Jacob and I are, so I, I took Conklin last week because Jacob and I had an argument about who to start in the Scott Barrett, Danny Kelly, Invitational at tight end.

I wanted Conklin. He wanted Friarmouth, and I thought I would make a declarative statement by picking Tyler Conklin for our show. I was wrong, and he was right, and that makes me sad. And I texted him to tell him as such. Not making that mistake again, I'm going Tysam Hill to Vulture another touchdown. I need big, big upside. Ryan, last up who you got. Yeah, so we're going with Derek Carr against the chiefs. Just the thesis on that one, I guess, is hopefully the chiefs are pushing the Saints.

Saints dead last in pass rate over expectation right now. That was not one I expected when I was in those tables this morning. But yeah, regardless, hopefully the Saints get pushed a bit there. DeAndre Swift against the Panthers, Panthers, allowing. the most schedule adjusted fantasy points per game on the ground right now. Swift just randomly became the top target in the offense last week after we heard all week about how Roshan Johnson was going to get an extended look. The usage has always been fine with Swift, so I'll take him in the plus matchup here.

Rashid Shaheed at wide receiver. I believe I have only picked Rashid Shaheed this year in this game in Weeksie's knock on off. So maybe you fade Rashid Shaheed and DFS this week. I have no idea what his price is, what the points per dollar on that is. But yeah, if you need a reason to come off, the Shaheed chalk for whatever reason, it's that Ryan picked him on this show. And then Dalton Schultz at tight end against the bills, they spam too high.

Dalton Schultz is hilariously the only guy on the Texans that benefits from too high, five targets in back-to-back games, whatever, we'll take Dalton Schultz. So that's that. I don't feel confident at all, though. This is like, I feel like every week I complain, oh, I'm picking last or I'm picking like third or second of last or whatever. You guys make it so hard. I still don't like picking even when I'm first or second.

I think I picked second this week. Yeah, it still doesn't feel good. It's nerve-wracking. It's a very nerve-wracking process. Especially for us dynasty heads. It's, yeah, it's always tough out here,

especially knowing that there's such a gap. Did you find a Mahomes team? No, you do not have Mahomes in any of our mutual leagues. So you've been saved from this America. It's not just I've been saved. It just proves that I don't take them. And I haven't been taking them.

That's really what it just proves. You do have Trevor Lawrence, however, in one of the leagues we're in together. I do. I do. So what's funny about that is I can actually tell you. I was talking to Buck while that draft was going on.

And I said, I think I'm going to do something really stupid and I shouldn't do it. Because I think it was the third round. He had fallen to the third round. I said, I'm going to do something I don't normally do. And I clicked the button. And then two rounds later, I remember messaging them and going, I really regret clicking that button. And now I'm stuck with them.

So there you go. And then this was actually, I think this was the league where you and, no, yeah, I think where Jacob forced you to think. So then you know, yeah, so that's a different thing I'm talking about. So you know exactly how that pick happened. Yeah. Yeah. Jacob.

You know how that pick happened. So yeah. Do you remember who I picked at the turn after that, though? No, but it's going to make me cry. Probably Jane Daniels. It was Jayden Daniels. Yeah. Because I vividly remember we got Kyler at a discount.

I remember being pissed about that. Yeah. Right. And then he wanted Lawrence as usual. And I wanted to fight him to the death. And if he was here, I would have taken those two swords on display in my background. I would have given him one and we would have dueled over it. And I like my odds from frail, tall, skinny Jacob.

I believe I would have been the better night that day. And we would have taken Daniels. All right. But I was shoehorned into Lawrence over Daniels, but we're still undefeated. So everyone in that league can suck it. that includes you Mr. Danny Kelly and Scott Barrett we're undefeated how do you like them apples and that's with Trevor Lawrence

who's now been benched for Justin Fields which is hilarious hilarious and we were mocked for that pick by the way in the 10th round he's coming through anyway that's gonna do let's get some final thoughts Ryan oh man final thoughts are are we doing shoutouts here is that what we mean by final thoughts

you got a shoutouts final thoughts what you have going on okay yeah You've got to spell this out for me. I don't know when I'm supposed to plug myself and plug all my work, Thomas. You have to say it. I can't just infer, right? Okay, yeah, I'm Ryan, Ryan Heath, at Ryan J.

underscore Heath on Twitter. You can find all of my written work on fantasy points.com. I have five stats to know out as a Monday morning with some extended thoughts on just what I think are the most interesting situations every week. Advanced matchups coming out every Friday. We went 11 and 1 on our props in advanced matchups last week. It was very nice. Some people sent me some very nice screenshots of them winning a lot of money off of that.

So that was really cool to see advanced matchups on Fantasy Points. Is that everything? Oh, and obviously Friday night, every Friday night right here on the Fantasy Points YouTube channel, the underdog drafter party with myself and Mr. Jake Tribby. It's my second favorite show to do after dynasty points. I would never rank it above dynasty points. It's a good time. Yeah, if you are interested in the weekly underdog drafts,

I think me and Jake have some good takes, some good ideas to equip you for those every stuff. So yeah, that's all my stuff. That's what's going on. And it's a new soft market. So you can definitely get ahead. Excuse me. You can definitely get ahead and get yourself.

and advantage. Uh, the warlord, Lucas, final thoughts? So, uh, each week,

each Tuesday morning, actually war goes up on the site where through four weeks have six different league types all there, plus flex and super flex positional war values. And then each week I've been doing an article on it. I did not do one last week. I did a little bit of a larger deep dive and that actually went out today as well, uh,

looking at how, players are performing for each position in war per game compared to the last 10 years. So definitely want to check that one out. Some things are not as bad as they may seem. And some things just are just wild right now with how some of the positions are valuing themselves so far. And then we do have some exciting news. I don't know if it's going to officially drop yet.

So I'll save the most exciting stuff. But you want to make sure that you are going and joining. prize picks and then using the promo code to score more to get $50 in free bets, whenever you deposit $5. So make sure you're doing that because we are doing lots and lots and lots of props stuff. We have massive things with prize points right now with some recommendations. And there will be new articles coming out highlighting some of my favorite picks from price picks.

So really exciting things going on. Plus, that's going to be for NFL and college football. and then also I have college football optimized lineups that's coming out each week. I don't know how I got this busy, but I've become very busy. And you know, I'm just going to live with it for a little while. But there's lots of fun things. I think last week I put out six or seven optimized lineups, so one for each slate plus I think one extra because I don't know why.

I just felt like it apparently. But yeah, make sure you're joining the Discord. Make sure you're going to price picks using our promo code. to get $50 free $50 free bets. That's just more free ways to get free money. Yeah, absolutely.

If you're not in the, if you're not in the Discord, you need to be prize picks channel that Lucas needs to be more active in now that it's been created as I just went and checked in on it. So you have gotten busier, but let's chip chop.

I always said once you got into it and once you got your foot in the door, you'd be like me, you'd get the hook in you, and that would be it. So I'm very happy to see that happen. Live on air, I'm happy to follow through on my word as I just accepted a trade, sending away Patrick Mahomes for Anthony Richardson and Jalen Waddle.

So there you go. Man on my word, it's done. It'll be posted in the Fantasy Points Discord. Four point passing touchdown league. Just accepted that bad boy. Man of my word. Only problem is I don't think I have a starting quarterback for this week now, but we're going to figure that out later. Tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes.

There you go. Man of my word. I did it. I said I was going to do it. and I did it. My final thoughts are this. If you want to get more trades done, I've always said it multiple times. If you're still listening to this and you're like, damn, how can I get more deals done? It's you. You're the problem. If everyone else in your league can get trades done and you can't and you're telling everyone else that their evaluations suck, look in the

mirror. Because if everyone else is getting it done and you're not, your ass is getting left behind. It's your fault. It's internal. It's a you problem. Trade that extra third to get a deal done. Overpay. Fake, not overpay, but fake. Overpay. Oh, cowing, you really like one, your taxi squad? That's what he wants.

If it means you're getting a wide receiver two to help your roster, send them. Get the deals done. When you look internally, you will, you'll find that more often than not, if everyone else in your league is getting deals done and you're not, the problem is you. Just a cool fact of life. We have to take it as we get it. Other than that, look, you can. find us Dynasty Points every week.

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