Fantasy Football Daily - AFC West Draft Grades | On the Clock! NFL Draft Podcast

Episode Date: May 8, 2023

In the final DAILY edition of On the Clock, Brett Whitefield (@BGWhitefield) and Chris Wecht (@ChrisWechtFF) hand out draft grades for the AFC West: Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, Las Vegas Raiders, and Los Angeles Chargers. BRETT WHITEFIELD'S 2023 NFL DRAFT PROSPECT GUIDE IS FREE TO READ WITH A NO-CHARGE LOGIN AT FANTASY POINTS. Interested in playing Best Ball in 2023? There's no better place than Underdog Fantasy. Use our code FANTASYPTS to sign up for a new account at Underdog, and not only will you get a 100% deposit match up to $100... but you'll get a Fantasy Points Standard subscription for only $5! https://www.fantasypoints.com/underdog --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoints.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. We are back with another episode of On the Clock. Today, we are wrapping up our draft review series, finishing it off with the AFC West. I'm joined by Christopher Wecht once again as we conclude the series here today. Chris, how are you doing, sir? Doing good.

I'm ready to fully put the draft behind us, start looking at teams' rosters as a whole and where they want to go and everything and head into the 2023 season. We're on to 2024. Or sorry, 2023. Kind of botched that. Yeah. Oh, well. Yeah, same.

I mean, it's bittersweet, right? like I'm sad to put the draft in the rear rear mirror because we got a long way to the next one but it's also refreshing and I need I need to be refreshed so yeah here we go well let's jump right into it obviously only having one division today we can spend a little time on these these you know players but let's start with Denver going alphabetical order I felt like they had a An interesting draft they didn't have a first round pick So it was you know

Not a ton not a ton to work with here But I felt like they did a decent job getting value In fact I didn't even have a worse pick for them Because I didn't really know where to go For best pick I went Marvin Mims Jr. What did you do there? I was I'm torn between Marvin Mims and Drew Sanders Just because Drew Sanders in the 3rd

third round. I mean, he was getting discussed as potentially the first linebacker off the board with Jack Campbell and you get him in the third round. That's, that's a good spot to take a good linebacker. I know there's a little bit iffy about what position he would actually play, but that screams a really good pick as well. Basically, whatever one I don't pick, I would go with a surprise pick because I think Mims could surprise and be, shoot, he could be the best wide receiver on the team by the end of the year. I know. know super likely but it's definitely possible and same with Drew Sanders like he could be a legit part of their defense at some point during the year but so I'm one of them is my best pick and one is

my surprise pick I don't know which one now right on I so I'll get to Sanders in a sec I went mims here because I just think mims is I mean he's such a talented dude I think he's an awesome receiver obviously he's been one of my guys through the process he gives them a ton of versatility. He can play inside in the slot. He can play on the outside. He's got obviously that elite speed, elite ball tracking skills,

elite ball skills. He kind of, I think he's got a chance to be like the complete package. And as far as like the, the smaller receivers in this class go, he's probably the biggest of the bunch. He's like 511, 185. Can probably get to 190 pretty easily.

So he's like actual real receiver size, which I think is, is kind of funny. And then, you know, from a percentile, great, our model really liked this pick, too. It was like a 95th percentile pick. But if they're like truly looking to move on from Judy, I think this is a great replacement for him. Judy's another one of the, you know, they do a lot of the same things, actually, to be, to be quite

honest. There's a lot of overlap there. I took this pick as a direct correlation to them eventually moving on from Judy, whether it's via trade or letting him walk at the end of the year or whatever. But, and then Sutton just isn't the same guy either. Since the knee injuries, he just hasn't really been the same. They picked up Judy's fifth year option. He's not leaving. Oh, did they end up picking him up? Yeah.

Oh, that's surprising. Huh. Okay. Well, hey, you can never have too many speedy receivers who generate separation, right? I mean, that's a good thing. That's a good problem to have. So I like it. For the Drew Sanders thing, where he went is about exactly where I thought he should go.

The thing with Sanders is, I may have made this analogy already with him, but he's basically like a collection of really fancy parts and you're getting it delivered to you in a garbage bag or a box. Like someone, like you own a mechanic shop. So you're Sean Payton. You own a mechanic shop and someone's bringing you this giant box of parts. And the parts are good.

They're high quality parts. But you still got to figure out how to put it together. There's no instruction manual. No instruction manual. You might be able to build a Ferrari out of this, but you also might get a toy at a Prius. And it's like for the, position and this is like obviously we take risks on edge defenders that have the same issues right

but that's a more premium position so for my fear with with sanders is by the time you build that Ferrari or whatever high performing machine he can become it's going to be right in a contract here you're you're going to start getting the most out of him and he's going to be a guy that you um you know you have to pay right away now the the ironic thing here is uh he reminds me a lot of Baron Browning, Ohio State linebacker. He was also a tweener. He played on the edge for Ohio State for years, also played in the box as a linebacker.

Also was a high pedigree guy, just like Drew Sanders was. So we saw that workout for Denver. You know, it took Browning like a year and a half-ish to really get rolling. Maybe Sanders is on a similar pathway. Obviously different coaching staff, of course, but maybe they can get the,

if you told me that Sanders was going to play, mostly on the edge, I would like to pick a lot more. Yeah, it does make the Browning, Browning being there tough. I mean, there are other linebackers are just terrible. Like, if he can play off ball, that would probably be the way he gets on the field the quickest. But yeah, I agree. They've already said that basically. Oh, they did? Okay.

Yeah, I mean, Alex Singleton and Josie Jewel are nothing. Yeah. They're nothing special. Yeah, exactly. But from where they took him, I do like the. pick. When he was getting the first round discussion or even like high second, I thought that, that was absurd.

That was ridiculous. Third is appropriate, though. I think that's worth, that's worth, you're well worth the squeeze is worth the juice or the juice is worth the squeeze. Good Lord. All right. For surprise pick, I went J.L. Skinner, safety from Boise State. Surprise he lasted as long as he did.

I think I had a fringy day two, day three grade on him. But I think he got, they got him, what, the sixth round? Yeah, six. Yeah. I mean, he's a big safety long. He's like six foot three, really long. Has some really good tape showed out well at the senior bowl week. I'm just really surprised he lasted as long as he did.

But as far as like getting some utility out of him, I think he'll be an excellent special teams player. And then you can, you know, you can obviously use them as a box safety slash dime linebacker type player as well. And we already talked about how bad their linebackers are. I love the idea of getting an extra DB on the field and obvious passing down. So Skinner could provide them some juice there. And I think that would be really good in that conference, which is going to be so pass-heavy, presumably.

Yeah. Or division, I should say, not conference. Worst pick was tough for Denver. But if I had to pick one, I'd go with Iowa cornerback, Riley Moss in the third round, mostly just because of other corners that were still on the board. Clark Phillips from Utah, Keely Ringo from Georgia. Just a new to do.

Yeah, some like Regalbush character stuff, but. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah. I'm sure all these guys fell for various reasons. It's just Riley Moss was probably the of the other corners that went in that range. Like I just liked those picks better. Garrett Williams went a little bit before him.

Yeah, that's the big one that sticks out. But the corner board definitely came out slower than most draft people had it going out. Like I think the depth of the class, similar to the receiver board actually, the depth of the class, I think kind of, you know, trepidated to that a little bit. I do like, I do like Riley Moss as a player, though. I just, yeah, I liked other players better than him where they took him. So I think the Juania Morris picks a low-key, sneaky, good pick too. Well, that was the Chiefs. Yes, that was the Chiefs, Brett.

Okay. You already moved on in your head to the next team. Wow. It's Monday. I'm just going to shake that one off. All right. What did you go for a grade here? I went B.

So I think you do have to factor in all the capital they gave up to give Russell Wilson in this draft, which makes it not great. So I'm going to go C. Sean Peyton too. Yeah, that's actually right. Yeah, I didn't even think of that. So, yeah, I'm going to see, probably even C minus when you say, oh, they also used it to get Sean Peyton as well.

All right. Yeah, I didn't really think about that because I don't know why I didn't think about that. You just never really factor trading for a head coach as like part of your draft class. But is Sean Payton worth a first round pick? I guess we'll find out. Yeah. but all right let's move on kansas city chiefs um their draft was really interesting and i feel like their last few drafts have kind of been like this because they're right at the

end of the first round every year and it's kind of hard they're they're not in an easy spot like that pick 31 is kind of brutal you know because it's like there's not really anyone with first strong grades left. You kind of want to get, you know, I'm sure any team that could get like two seconds for that pick would take it, you know, but obviously that's a pipe dream. But anyways, I know the Titans were trying to trade up back into the first to get Levis. I don't, I mean, maybe it wasn't a good enough offer.

But yeah, I usually if there's a QB to trade at that 31, 32 spot and you can trade back and get some extra picks that does seem to be the best thing because you're right. There's never like an obvious pick at these late picks. Yeah. Yeah. And because of that, I don't really like the guy they took at 31. But my best pick for them was Rushy Rice. Yeah, that was mine too. Even the more like the, I don't think our model loved the pick, right? In 90th percentile, I guess it did. But even the more I sat back and like thought about the fit, I more I really liked it. Like Rice wasn't really on my radar for them at all because I was thinking in terms of his 2022 tape. But it's, but it's, he's really on. I really on my radar for them at all. Because I was thinking in terms of his 2022 tape. but his 2021 tape, man, he played big slot. That's what they lost in the offseason.

They brought back the entire wide receiver room except for Juju. And Juju, early in the year, looked, he was pretty productive. He had some good moments in the playoffs as well. And he's decrepit at this point. Super stiff. The injuries have taken their toll. I think if they envision Rishi Rice stepping into the Juju role as a bigger slot, yards after catch, machine.

I really like that fit. Some of Rishi's best tape is in that role. I do. He's such a, he's a detail-oriented player. He's not really a freelancer. That was an issue with Sky Moore, we saw last year's. Sky Moore's entire game at Western Michigan was freelance. Like go look at, like, he got, he got hailed for his release package.

Dude, his release package is complete nonsense in college. It's complete freelance. It's just him. It's like reps at the senior bowl where a guy is like literally juke in the same player over and over and finally he wins. It's like, well, yeah, nobody can cover that. Yeah. And you could tell it drove Mahomes absolutely insane last year. Like he could never trust more to be in the right spot.

The timing was always off. So Rishis is the complete opposite of that. He is detail-oriented. Now, I know the SMU offense didn't allow him to run a super diverse route tree. He's going to obviously have to learn a more NFL route tree. But the routes he did run, he ran with precision. timing was always good. I think him and Mahomes could develop a connection really early,

especially if he's in that big slot role. Yeah, he could be the most productive rookie wide receiver this year, just because of the landing spot and the opportunity that he'll have if he steps up. And we said that about Sky last year, right? But I didn't like Sky's tape nearly as much as I like Rishi's tape. Yeah, then, I mean, Rice in that big slot roll, MVS on the outside, Cadarius Tony playing for as many weeks as he can is not a terrible receiving core. Yeah.

When you factor in, you got the best tight end, probably the best tight end of all time also on your team. In Sky should take a step forward. Right. But I think he could play the MVS role too. He's got the speed. So, you know. Yeah. He does.

But yeah, that's not a terrible receiving core. No, it's not. Yeah. Does that, so you went receive for best. pick too? Yeah. I didn't love any of their picks. Rice is definitely my favorite, but I mean, they did invest a lot on them though, so it's not like it's like a slam dunk pick either. Yep. I went

for worst pick, I went Felix and a Duke Ayuzoma. It's not a bad pick. It's just their draft was kind of meh all the way around. And it was my least favorite of their early picks. So there, ergo, it gets the worst pick tag. It's not a bad pick, though. I mean, I just, I didn't see FAU as a, as a first round guy. You know, and I even think there were, wasn't there better edges on the board?

Depends how you had them ordered, basically. Like, Attawame was there, but he ended up going in the fourth round, so. Atabwari? Edibari, yeah. Yeah, it hurts that Nolan Smith at one pick before him, too. but you'd like Derek Hall I probably like Derek Hall better I don't know yeah they were they're kind of a no man's land there yeah wow it's it's really that's a really rough spot to pick yeah yeah that's why it was my worst pick it felt forced it's like oh we lost frank Clark we need an edge

defender so we're going to force one right here is that's kind of how it's up to me I just don't know how many other places I would have liked to see them go I can make like I Joey Porter Jr. actually would have been a solid pair for that I think Brian Branch Brian Branch would have been a solid pick for them, yeah. I just did. I don't, but even then, so we named two guys. I don't, I'm not going to. O-line, that can always go O-line.

Detackle would have been in a better spot. Keanu Benton. I don't know. It felt forced to me based on need. Yeah. Line back to, you could have taken Jack came, oh, wait, the lines took him 13 picks earlier. Sorry.

Yeah. That would have been nice. My worst pick, similar for your reasons. Like I don't hate any, I just don't love any either. I went with Juania Morris. This one felt to me like the forced pick. We've talked with numerous of these teams that once offensive tackle, the elite talent got tried up. Teams kind of felt like they were forcing guys in.

And they replaced what, both their tackles in the offseason. Donovan Smith is the left tackle now. they bring in Jowan Taylor Well I don't I don't know Chris Because they gave Jowon Taylor left tackle money And then they They signed down on the Smith That was really strange how they did that

I don't maybe they weren't anticipating getting Smith Maybe Smith went way down after the draft But yeah you're right They do have two starting tackles so Yeah it feels like them trying to build up their tackle death Which has been an issue for them over the years And there's just there I mean, I almost would have rather them take an upside swing on like a Duon Jones,

like take a guy with an elite talent. I know he's got weight problems, but you technically don't need him to play right away. But there's just there's not a lot of great tackles at that point anyway. So maybe go some other position like corner like we mentioned earlier. It just felt like they were trying to force in a death spot for a guy that, you know, it was not necessarily a terrible player,

but third round capital on him. is a little rich. Yeah, for sure. I do agree with that. Some guys in the film community love Juania Morris' tape a lot more than I did. I didn't like it enough that I didn't even bother to score him, right?

I don't think I'd score for him. No. So definitely was a reach from that standpoint. And then you look at some of the guys who came off the board after. Now, granted, they're not tackles. But if you're drafting a tackle in the third round, it pretty much is assumed he's a project. Right. So.

Tyler Steen I would have liked better for them He gives him guard tackle versatility right away That they can actually use he was gone No I don't think he was I thought he went after he went he went pick 65 in the draft To the Eagles Oh you're right you're right he was gone Yeah But I would have rather them to have gone

So instead of Rice At 55 maybe they take Osirons torrents there And then in the third round get Michael Wilson who went one pick right after Wannia Morris Yeah and Wilson also gives you some big slot potential there too. Right. Yeah, I mean, that's fair. It's, it is definitely easy to play, you know, hindsight, but you, I mean, that's a skill. Reading the board is a skill. So, you know, they maybe should have had a, well, a lot of receivers lasted long. So yeah, they definitely probably could have waited on Rice, even though I like the team player. I wonder if that is a pick. They look back on it. I know they probably love Rice, but they, I wonder if they're looking back at, man, a lot of these wide receivers lasted until we came back on the clock. Yeah. Overall, I went C plus for this grade.

Yeah, C plus I'd go with two. Oh, we didn't get to a surprise pick. Gosh, dude, my brain. I went with B.J. Thompson, Edge from S.F. Austin. This dude is, he's a freak of nature athlete. Like 6'6. He's only 240 pounds right now. But man, he could develop into a really good player.

His tape is actually pretty good. And he, he reeled like a six, seven, three-code or something at six foot six, which is crazy. So I think he's got a chance to be a good developmental prospect, edge setter with some passuous upside for sure. I went with Texas defensive tackle, Keandre Coburn, the big nose tackle guy. They brought in Danny Shelton in the offseason. This feels like a role they want to fill and kind of let's- Is Chilton? They're still playing in the league?

Yeah, which I didn't. Yeah, I was surprised to see. he was on the roster. He's definitely past his prime and probably not very good. So Coburn will have a chance to fill that nose tackle role for them when they want to use it. I think that lets them really utilize Chris Jones to be the pass rusher that he can be and not so worried about taking up blockers and whatnot. But yeah, I was surprised to see Danny Shelton was also still in the league.

Oh, he was on their practice squad last year. That's crazy. Who knew? Wow. All right. Learn something new every day. Yeah, I like that. I like that call.

And they got what six-round value on him? Yep. That's like the range you should be taking, nose-tackle-only type guys and anything to get Chris Jones potentially more one-on-one looks is a win to me. So I dig it. Yep. All right. Let's go to the Chargers.

You skip. Los Angeles Chargers. We skipping the Raiders. Well, alphabetically. Oh, alphabetically by abbreviation. Yeah. I don't know what I'm doing this morning, okay? Just leave me alone, man.

We can do the Raiders. No, it's fine. All right. Chargers, I went, this is probably my favorite draft of the division. I really liked the Quentin Johnson pick. I didn't go with that as my best pick, though. I went with Day and Henley, linebacker from Washington State. Because this is the type of linebacker I like Chris.

this guy has incredible movement skills, both tested and functional on tape. He is really solid in coverage. He's really excellent as a blitzer. So what does that mean? It means he affects the past game. If you're going to be a plus linebacker in the NFL today, you have to be able to affect the past game some way, somehow. And he does it in two facets, both as a coverage guy.

I think this dude, I wrote in my scouting report on him, he has a chance to be a tight end eraser. very few tight ends in the NFL can go man up on an athletic tight end and win. I think he's one of them. Obviously, he's got to prove it at the NFL level, but I think he has the skills, the traits to do so. He needs to work on his instincts a little bit in zone coverage, but I think he's only been playing linebacker for a year and a half.

I think those instincts will come the more reps he gets on the field. And then he's excellent as a blitzer, understands timing, delays, great on stunts and twists, great on gap exchanges, insane closing bursts. He actually has a couple pastrous moves as well. So for that reason, he is my best pick. Yeah, he was my surprise picks for all the reasons that you pretty much just said. The only thing I held me back was just the linebacker position not being super impactful. But he was a guy that I thought the Eagles might even go after.

I really like him as a linebacker. Third-round pick, so it's not like that. Yeah, so yeah, I'm not saying it's a bad pick by any means. I just wasn't my best pick, but definitely it was my surprise pick. I think he, it's crazy how much they've invested in linebacker over, you know, like Staley's tenure so far. I mean, Kenneth Murray hasn't really panned out. Wait, that was the year before Staley came.

Was it not? Was it? I think so. Still has been there a while now. This is, well, this will be Staley's third year. You might be right. Well, either way, they, you know, they have Kenneth Murray there. They brought in Eric Kendricks last year, or is that last year or this year?

This year, I believe. Yeah, this year. So, you know, they've made some pretty hefty linebacker investments, but I do think Henley can actually give them something they don't have. My best pick was Quentin Johnson. Which is fair. Yeah, he is exactly what this offense needs in so many ways. They are just slow.

They are not explosive. They're, you know, keen, and Allen is an awesome round runner gets separation, gives him nothing after the catch, though. Quinn Johnson does all of those things. He's immediately the best guy with the ball in his hands on the team in terms of, like, if they're doing wide receiver screens or something like that, they shouldn't be throwing those to anybody else.

Because he actually will make guys miss and run away with it. He can give him a field stretching element to their team that they do not have right now. Like he just fits so perfectly with what that offense needs. Yes, playmaking ability is what he brings, and they desperately needed playmakers on offense. I explained it this way on John Hanson's show last Thursday. So, like, Mike Williams and Kenan Allen are good players in their own right, but they're the most vanilla receivers ever. Like, there's nothing sexy about what they do. They'll win one-on-ones, but they're not going to be amazing in the red zone.

They're not going to get a ton of yards after catch. they're not making these incredible plays. They're not moving the needle as far as like they run a route, they're open, Herbert delivers it, that's the end of the play. There's no upside beyond that for those guys. And, you know, Quentin Johnson brings that crazy playmaking ability that they desperately need both as a deep threat and as a short, you know, yards after catch kind of guy. So I love that pick too.

Yeah, I mean there's reasons we've seen. get all the targets he's gotten over the years is because Echler was probably the best guy on their teams in terms of like juice after the catch. And now they finally have somebody else. Josh Palmer doesn't have anything like that. Who's some of the other guys? They've used. Michael Bandy. DeAndre Carter. DeAndre Carter is actually probably one of the better after the catch guys.

But, you know. But they've had. Yeah, but still not great. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I think he's a dynamite fit. Yep. And I actually, like, we talked about Jordan Addison going there for a while. I kind of like Johnson better.

Jordan Adderson would have been another Keenan Allen type where he's just always open. Going to give them that security, I guess, the precision. But they already have that. And I think we really need to get Herbert to a spot where we can maximize what he does. So getting that playmaking ability is really just going to help him. Worst pick. I went with USC edge defender

Tuli Teppolotu Tupu Loto, Tupilotu Our model hated this pick but I just also hated it without even looking at the model. He's my edge 17 122nd player on my board

and they took them at pick 54. So. Yeah, I don't I totally get that. I will give them the pass for it being an edge player and just a primary or priority position and just there just wasn't a lot of good edges to pick from after a while

but yeah I wouldn't really have done that I went with Darius Davis in their fourth round wide receiver I'm just not really sure what they're trying to you know like you you bring in Quentin Johnson and I think that makes a ton of sense Darius Davis is basically a return guy I just don't like burning a fourth round pick for I would have rather than if they wanted to add another receiver add like a Charlie Jones who went in the fourth round as like the maybe Keenan Allen replacement one day. Yeah, so I actually liked this pick. I put it as my surprise pick.

I get what you're saying. Darius Davis to me, like we talked about how slow the offense is. They had really limited playmaking ability. Davis brings them just insane juice. Just, you know, ridiculous speed. His acceleration is also crazy. I think he ran, had the fastest 10-yard split at the. the combine for receivers.

And he's a really, really good returner. So I think he gives you a little bit more than just, you know, receiving upside. I think he is such a good returner. I think there's, there's value there.

But also, like, hit ball, you know, getting the ball in his hands. Like, he's another force miss tackles candidate. He gives you a vertical element from the slot. I don't think he's going to play right away.

Obviously, they have a really good receiving score with the top three guys. So, but like, if you look at how they were using Deandre Carter last year, Darius Davis is a massive upgrade over that. Carter is not a very good player. Carter does, like at this stage of his career, he just doesn't have any juice whatsoever.

I think Davis kind of gives them that spark and just overall speed on offense, which they desperately needed and they've been lacking. So I think he'll surprise folks, but immediately steps in as like a really, like him and Jade and Reed were the two best returners in this class, in my opinion. So I like the idea of getting one of those guys. I throw Troy Tucker in there as well. Tyler Scott was also still on the board at that point. That would have been an awesome pick.

Yeah, I would have preferred Tyler Scott there for sure. I'm surprised you didn't mention Max Dugan is your worst pick here. It's a terrible pick, but it was in the seventh round. So those are usually barely making the roster anyway, so whatever. Yeah, practice squatter. And you mentioned it pre-show, but he did, didn't mention it here they drafted the trifecta yeah they're building the tCU 2022 jobs in harris davis and max do you and the only guy that are missing there is kendre miller who would

have been a great addition by the way yeah to go with ecler but is this surprising to you that they didn't take a running back anywhere i maybe a little but they it does seem pretty obvious that that Echler isn't going anywhere because nobody wants to trade for me. Even Echler has been pretty obvious about this. He has zero leverage whatsoever. They've also taken a lot of shots recently on backs on these later rounds. You know, I say Spiller last year, Larry Roundtree, Josh Kelly. Yeah, like all of them were like four fifth round picks.

Yeah. That just maybe they were like, we're not doing this again. Like, I don't know. None of them have really shown anything either, which is crazy. Yeah, maybe they're holding out Hope Spiller takes a developmental step. Usually running back still are like ready to go. And what you see is what you get year one. There's no development.

Either you got it or you don't got it. Yep. So. All right. I went with B for this grade. Maybe slight B plus. I don't know. Yeah, B plus is what I was thinking as well.

Nice. We agreed on one, Chris. Yeah. It's been a minute. Raiders, the Las Vegas Raiders, whose acronym places them forth alphabetically. So they didn't have a bad draft, but it was a draft I didn't really like either.

It started out strong and then just fell off the wagon to me. Like just after their first two picks, I just don't know what happened anymore. Yeah, that's, well, best pick I went Michael Mayer. Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. I debated Tyree Wilson because getting him at 7 is solid, but I think mayor at 35 is even better. Yeah. Where did I have mayor on my board?

Somewhere close to that, right? Pick item as the 30th player. They got him at 35, but just the idea of, you know, getting a tight end who has the production profile he does, I think is a big win for the offense. I am concerned, though, if you see the last couple years, McDaniels was in New England, like, he did nothing with tight ends. Yeah, you could see like a Hunter Henry role that like everyone thinks can turn into something and it just never does. And a lot of people comps mayor to Henry too. That's even scarier. He does remind me of Henry.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a less athletic version of Henry too, which makes it even scarier. Because Henry was a legit athlete coming out for sure. Yeah, there's going to be, we're going to be complaining. that Austin Hooper is getting too much playing time at some point this season. I have no doubts. Yeah.

Where did Foster Morrow go? He got sick. I'm blanking on what. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, he's got Hotskin Slim Phoma or Lekemi or something. Yes. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that's sad. Cool. So we both went mayor. Worst pick, I went Trey Tucker. Yeah. Mostly because similar to your argument with Darius Davis. They hit like Darius Davis was on the board Charlie Jones is on the board

Tyler Scott was on the board Pooka Nuku was on the board All those guys can give you similar Some like they all can play out of the slot And they're all just better players Just flat out Just flat out better players in my opinion So I did not like like

Like we've seen a bunch of receivers Come out of Cincinnati lately Most recently Alec Pierce and Tyler Scott I thought Trey Tucker was by far The worst of those guys And not even close Yeah, I'm struggling between Trey Tucker and Aden O'Connell. And I know people like Aiden O'Connell, but you take him with the fourth round pick that you're, it's, he's not going to be anything for you.

What do you mean? How can you say that? They have Jimmy Garoppolo is their starter, and Aiden O'Connell might be better than Jimmy right now. Do you know how many better looking QBs Jimmy Garoppel is held off in his time with San Francisco? All of them. How many times will we call for Garoppel? to be benched for the Niners. He always sticks around, though, because he's just good enough.

When you say we, I assume you're not talking to me because I don't know who they've had. Who have they had that should start over Jimmy? He's held off Trey Lance for two years. Not that we know if Trenny Lance is any good or not, but we- He held off Trey Lance, kind of. Trey Lant also tore his ACL. Yeah, but not until this year. Yeah, last year he finally started for-

That was his second season in the league. He's going into year. three he's going into year three this year. Well, he probably should have played in year one. Yeah, but he like less than 500 career dropbacks at a FCS school. Like I never expected train lengths to be a day one starter for them. Yeah, but we've already made the argument that Richardson should start right away and he's similar. I know a different level of competition, but like better better overall prospect and way higher level,

not even close to the same level of competition, like way higher. Yeah, I know. But you're not going to learn sitting. Like that's true Um Sure well different the difference though is the Colts don't have Super Bowl aspirations year over year where the 49ers do so did they though when they took lance I think I mean they traded up to three to get him I mean they they were a good football team they just lost in a year before Was that they why did they have like this because they had like the seventh overall pick or something in that draft

They didn't move far to do it There may have been a gap year between the Super Bowl and that one, but. Yeah. They've also been a trade. I know they traded, they've traded picks throughout the years. Like DeForest Bunkner, they got a first round pick for. But there's just no way McDaniels is starting O'Connell at some point this year. Maybe not this year, but you potentially get a really cheap replacement.

There's nothing Aiden O'Connell can't do that Jimmy does. like nothing Jimmy does that Aden can't do. Yeah, and they're both not going to win you a Super Bowl. No, but I'd rather have that skill set on, you know, $700,000 a year than $30,000 or whatever Jimmy's going to be $35 million. They're definitely in the QB market this time next year. That's why I have a problem with the pick because it's just, why did you burn a fourth round pick on a guy if you can't,

if you're going to immediately probably make another investment next year. I mean, typically I agree with you. I think when a guy has starting potential, though, it's always worth it. It's always worth it. I mean, he's getting paid nothing.

Literally pennies on the dollar for what other quarterbacks make. Like, so even if say his ceiling is top 10 backup for the next four or five years, you're still getting that at a massive discount. So. Yeah, but he's not going to be a top backup. this year. Maybe he will next to.

Why? Why wouldn't you not backup? I don't know. We don't know. The backup's not terrible. I know they're bad, but we don't know anything about him. I just, I don't know.

I hate putting premium, fourth round is still pretty good draft capital in a position that you basically hope that you never have to use in your backup QB. And if you do have to use it, you're probably dead anyway. Yeah, I mean, it was a late fourth too. Pick 135,

All right, I'll give you the Tray Tucker is the worst pick, but it's close. Oh, you could say convicted in your... I think you made some are decent, aren't you? And I know there's a lot of people that like Aiden O'Connell, so I'm not going to... I don't want to be too harsh on him if he is end up being a decent QB. Aiden O'Connell also checks all the Bill Parcells boxes, which, you know, might not be anything, but... I don't, did you watch any Purdue football last year? On occasion.

I mean, he's run good offenses. That's the thing that impresses me with him. You can argue there's no QB in this draft that carried more of his offenses production on his shoulders than Aiden O'Connell did. Yeah. I think he threw the ball like 700 freaking times in one year. I don't even know who else was on who was throwing the ball to other than Charlie Jones last year either. Nobody.

And I don't know who. was throwing to the year before because Charlie Jones was a transfer. David Bell. Yes, David Bell. He made a third round pick. Yeah. Yeah, I think Aiden's got some talent. And just like the experience that he has, I think, is pretty invaluable.

He's dropped back like 600 plus times two years in a row, which is pretty solid. And Purdue kind of a stinky program. It's just tough to be like, are you pass on the QB at 7 when there's, you know, Levis was still on the board. Who knows what they think of him. Then you're okay. Taking one in the fourth round, it's just, I don't know.

It doesn't quite add up. Yeah. I went O'Connell for my surprise pick. I think he'll surprise him, folks. I think he's, uh, yeah. I mean, he's nothing, like, he's definitely not on the special spectrum. He's on that golf,

like I would say golf's the high end of that spectrum. Garoppola's the low end of it. but like he fits somewhere on that spectrum to me maybe he is just jimmy maybe he's a little bit more but like i said i would i would much rather get get that skill set for less than a million bucks a year than freaking 35 so if he if he shows anything as a rookie i'm getting rid of jimmy garoppolo so freaking fast it's unbelievable yeah that that turns that into a good pick but you have to commit to that yeah i don't know if i really have a surprise pick for the raiders nobody really jumps out to me.

I just, I didn't really like what they did with this draft after the first two picks. Yeah, that's fair. Jacori and Bennett's a decent pick in the fourth round, but. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, there's so many picks in here. I just don't like. Nested Jade Silvera, Armari, Bernie, Chris Smith, yuck. I don't even really like their Byron Young pick.

That was an early third they used on him. Yeah, I don't like that pick at all. Yeah, and there was, I felt like way better detackles. The one thing about those Alabama detackles, though, is they learn a very specific scheme and fundamentals. They're very fundamentally some players. They all linger in the NFL. There's so many Alabama detackles on rosters. It's crazy.

None of them are very good. They're not like superstars, but man, they're all locking down a third, third, fourth detackle slot, stuff in the run. Yep. And it's crazy. There's literally a million of them if you go through depth charts throughout the league. So he's got a chance to be that. I just don't think that's worth a high third round pick. Right.

Yeah. So I went C for this draft. Yeah, I was going to go C plus because the first two picks were good. I'll go C. Nice. All right. So we went, what, B for Denver? Well, you went lower than that, right?

You went C? Yeah, C. Yeah, because of the trade stuff mostly. Yeah, I forgot about that, so I'll go C as well. C plus for Kansas City, B plus for Chargers, C plus for Raiders. I feel like we've given out a lot of fair grades. That's the way it should be. I'm going through the series.

Let's see. These are the A grades we gave. Seahawks gave an A too. Oh, by the way, on anything we had like a difference of opinion on, I just split the difference. Colts, we went A plus. Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, we both went A plus. Giants we went A Philly we went A plus

That's it More than I thought But it is more than I thought But we also gave out like C minuses and Ds at a high rate Compared to like Dude I've We've talked about this probably already

But I've seen draft articles Where there's like nine A's Or like 7A pluses Nine A's and then like three B pluses Like that's not possible Yeah So the whole league Maybe one and two

One or two Fs is usually, yeah. Yeah. So I think being a little more realistic about it is probably the way to go. There should be mostly B's and C's, probably, in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, I agree with that. Especially if you try to, like, be objective about the whole steel versus reach thing, I think that'll help you get to better conclusions. Yeah.

Because, you know, taking A.T. Perry in the sixth round, I'd love to give the Saints an A for that. Yeah. But the wisdom of the crowds says there's a. reason that that happened. Right. You're betting on 31 other teams. Really, you're betting all 32 teams were wrong about him and you were right versus when a guy is reached on, it's hard to know because, you know, it only takes one team

to reach. Yep. Which is why the hit rate on reaches versus steals. I don't know if you, do you see Kev Coles little? Yeah. Yeah. like reach is still hit at a higher rate than quote unquote steals do probably because of that because it just takes one team and then you literally have no idea how everyone else felt and chances are they probably agreed closer to with the team that took him than the consensus crowd so whereas the steel you're all every 32 teams are saying that guy didn't deserve to go higher yeah and as much as i love a guy like a t perry there's a like a hundred and ninety four times he could have been drafted and those teams said no, no thanks.

So I don't know. Hopefully he proves me right, but it's not looking promising. So yeah, all right. Let's get out here. We did it. We got through every team. I don't know what the schedule is going to be like for on the clock this week. I'm probably going to take a little reprieve for myself.

And then maybe we'll do a way too early, 2024 mock next Monday. Maybe you'll get a bonus episode between now and then. I don't know. But anyways, that's going to be. do it. Thanks Chris for joining me for the series and we will we're moving on to 2024. 2020.

No, no for the draft. Oh, for the draft. Gotcha. This is a draft podcast Chris. Moving on to 2024. So for a 2020 discussion, you can listen to Take Talk, which I'm sure Chris will be a guest on quite frequently. So all right, we are out of here. Thanks so much for listening. Talk to you guys

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