Fantasy Football Daily - Anthony Richardson Benched + Diontae Johnson Traded | Dynasty Fantasy Football Reactions | Dynasty Points

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

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Tonight is going to be insane. I know normally I do a big opening spiel, lots of this, promo that if you're here watching live, I appreciate and love you. If you're here, hit the subscribe button, hit the like everything. Joey, Joy Boy, I see you, Trey question. That's going to be in a little while from now because we've had franchise altering potential decisions being made. Our co-host, Jacob Sanderson, has been rage tweeting, getting rage baited, honestly, online all day.

And of course, Lucas Gilbert, Ryan Heath, with us as usual. I am hosting this bad boy. I am Thomas Dipple. I don't know what to expect from tonight. I am hoping that it's not three hours long. However, I can't promise anything. Obviously, insanely big news that we're going to touch on all of it. We got Deontay Johnson.

and he's getting traded to possibly the worst situation he could have been traded to. We have Anthony Richardson. ACL News. We're going to get to that when we get to that. Diggs ACL is gone. We are comparing our notes to consensus notes, which I think is very important to do this time a year.

But obviously, before we get into any of that, I should also say before we dive straight in, If you're watching or not what if you're listening on the fantasy points now feed and you enjoy our content, all I can do is push you towards the Dynasty Points podcast feed to like, review and subscribe. It helps us so much more to be on that feed than the Fancy Points Now feed. Of course, we release Dynasty Market report a couple days early on that feed. So you don't have to wait until Sunday morning to get that without further ado. I feel like the big elephant in the room If there were an elephant behind me

If I were crafty enough I would have I don't know CGI'd one I don't know But I didn't and we're also lazy No Halloween costumes this year I was prepared just for the record My co-hosts were not So no Mario this year and no Pimp Scott this year But next year we have decided we're doing costumes

So speaking of a trick or treat If you would Um, Jacob, Anthony Richardson got benched today. And we had a small conversation on Twitter about his value. And I think you misunderstood what I was saying. And I think I know what you're saying. And luckily, we have this podcast that we can talk about it. And we are going to talk about it today.

But as everyone is here waiting, can we just get your anger tweet summary, if you would, for us now on this, on this situation? So there's a ton of different angles to this that we can get into over this podcast if people want. We can talk about the actual merits of his play and whether or not we think he could improve, whether or not. We can talk about the fantasy implications, both in the short term for the receivers, for Taylor, et cetera, for what would you pay for Anthony Richardson? What would you sell Anthony Richardson for? All that stuff. If people want to be first take, we can talk about tapping out for 15 to 30 minutes if people want to do that. All that stuff's fine.

Anyone in the comments wants to get my take on any of that? I'm here as long as you want me to be here and I'll happily cover it. But for my opening, I'm just coming at this from Colst fan perspective first and trying to understand the organizational decision making. as anyone can guess if they read my substack post this morning or if they follow me on Twitter, I'm absolutely unbelievably infuriated over a decision. And basically what I'm infuriated about is like I have tried genuinely to try and see this from the opposing perspectives of sort of like what would be the reasons why you would do this. I want to be very clear that my reason for being so out on this decision is not like blind faith. Richardson is the truth.

He can do no wrong. Like I don't believe that. You know, we did this show in the summer and everybody was picking, you know, what was the worst dynasty value in round one? Like I picked Anthony Richardson. I picked my own quarterback. So it's not like I thought that he was an absolute lot to succeed. I feel about him now basically a slightly more negative version to the way that I felt about him as a prospect. which is extremely, extremely, extremely inexperienced quarterback.

He played, started 12 games in college, total. And then to this point, he started 10 games into the NFL. And he's actually only played the majority snaps in seven of them, because he keeps getting injured. So we're talking about a sample of basically 19 full games, seven of them professional games, to make a decision on that. You compare that to like Josh Allen, for instance,

who's the guy that's, you know, the guy that people always favorably compare Richardson to. And the worst person to become, too, by the way. I just want to add. Yeah. I mean, he started two years in, in, FBS College. He'd started a full season previous to that in,

I think it was junior college or Division II or something else. Then he had started, you know, two full years in the NFL before he actually started to show legitimate efficiencies, NFL passer. That's a team that actually just stuck through the process. That doesn't mean that that was always going to happen that way. But that's how little he's played. He's currently younger today,

multiple years younger than Jaden Daniels, than Bo Nix, and Michael Penix. It's the idea that, like, basically what I'm trying to say is, when they pick this guy at fourth overall, to then get here, I have no idea what they thought that they were drafting. Because the pathway to a great Anthony Richardson career or a bad Anthony Richardson career

probably still goes through this juncture. Like, anyone who evaluated Anthony Richardson from a film perspective, from a data perspective, from any perspective would have told you when he was drafted before knowing anything we would see in the NFL career. Like, yeah, we're probably not going to know what this guy is yet after seven full games because he is such a project because there's so much he's going to have to learn. This is a guy who is going to require exceptional patience to deal with.

After they drafted him, it seemed like that was the plan. Jim Mersey gave a quote to Pat McAfee said, basically said, yeah, Gardner-Minch, he's probably a better quarterback right now and would win more. games for us. But whenever Shane wants to start Anthony, he's going to start Anthony because he needs reps to get better. And that's what it's all about. That was awesome to me. That was what I wanted to hear. Shane Steichen, they were asking him a question before the rookie season. Hey, what's your perspective on quarterback development? Do you think that it's more important to get reps, more important to sit and learn? He said his view is quarterbacks need to get reps. You learn by playing. Okay. That's when they

had all of the options at their disposal was that was their perspective. We could get into that discussion too. I'm not even going to get into it. All I'm saying is the people that are that made the decisions at the time that they drafted him were still the people in charge, they said at the time when all options were there and there were no stakes was they were saying he needs reps, right? Doesn't need to sit and learn. Now they're saying, oh, you need to sit and learn. So first of all, it's upset that they're insulting my intelligence as a fan by lying and saying, oh, it's going to be a reset. It's not a reset. It's over for him on the Indianapolis. I'm not saying you'll never start another game for the Indianapolis Colts.

They have four games against pretty difficult opponents in a row. If they lose three of those four, they're five and seven. They probably start Richardson against the Patriots. He gets a few more starts for the rest of the year. And then he is on a different team next year. That's what I expect is going to happen. But it's over for him in terms of they are committing the program around him. That's nonsense to me.

I think he should have been given the entirety of this season and the entirety of next season, literally no matter what to be able to go out and play and fail and who gives a fuck what happens. And the other frustrating aspect to me is that there's the idea, okay, they got to win now. First of all, the amount of national media types like Trey fucking Wingo who come in and talk about, oh, the cults have a team that's ready to win now. What does win now mean exactly? Because like this is a bottom 10 defense in the league. They are four and four on a schedule that includes losses to the Jaguars, losses to Malik Willis,

their wins are against the Tuolus Dolphins, barely, the Titans, barely. Okay, and then they beat the Bears and the Steelers at home who are okay teams, but, you know, whatever. This is not, like I watched every snap of this team. This team isn't good. Their range of outcomes, no matter who their quarterback was, basically extends from at worst, a 6 and 11 team, and at best, a 10 and 7 frisky wildcard team, which is basically what they've been with all of these different veteran quarterbacks ever since luck retired.

They missed the playoffs in the final game of the season last year with Minshue. Same thing with Wentz. They made the playoffs and lost in the wildcard round with, um, what's his knots, Philip Rivers, and he had the one disaster year with Mad Ryan. That's the range of outcomes for this team. It's not a very exciting range of outcomes. So the other thing is if they actually had any intention of trying to win this season, they didn't act like that in the offseason.

They had $20 million in cap space that they sat on and they could have had $28 million if they cut Mo Ali fucking cops. So they didn't do anything. They didn't sign Stefan Gilmore. they didn't sign Justin Simmons. They didn't sign anyone for their blatantly bad secondary. That was fine with me. That was totally fine with me.

I don't care if they wanted to lower expectations on Richardson, by all means, go for it. But if they wanted to win this year, they didn't act like it in the offseason. And this is the most egregious part to me. Anyone who's watched Anthony Richardson, at this point in his career, what he does exceptionally well is run the ball.

You watched last game, fourth and three, got to have it play. What do they call? QB power. converts it easily. They called one other design rush the entire rest of that game. And again, if you're saying we don't care, we're just going to develop this guy, we're in it for the long haul.

I don't give a shit if they ever do a quarterback run. Protect them. Keep them from getting injured. Force them to develop as a passer. I'm here for it. Make them make mistakes. Make them learn from those mistakes. Great with me.

But if that's not your perspective, if you were on the verge of benching him, if you were one game away from benching him and this guy's out there playing, for his job without even realizing it, then don't make him play with one hand tied behind his back. Don't protect him from injury when it's already over. Let him fucking play. Call 15 design runs. Let him do what he's actually going to do and run the fucking offense. So it incenses me how everything has been one foot in, one foot out this whole time.

The plan is incoherent in terms of they talk about us development one way, then they push back another way. They do all these things that suggests they're going to be patient and then they're not. and oh, we're going to try and win games. Oh, we're going to try and develop the quarterback, and it picks a lane. So what would I have loved the Colts to do if I was running the team? To me, I would look at it and say, what do I actually think of Anthony Richardson right now? My evaluation of him is pretty positive, a lot more positive than a lot of people.

I would keep the team intact. I would see if we can make the playoffs this year with Richardson. I wanted to get those reps of playing important games down the stretch because to me, he's my quarterback in 2025, literally no matter what. If you don't share that perspective, that's fine. That's like the least of all of these issues of this decision that I have pushed back on is the Anthony Richardson optimism. I get why people saying it's over. He's bad. Never should have drafts and whatever. I have time for that. But then the answer to that is not what the Colts did, which is we're going to try and go all in on nine and eight and play Flackham.

The answer to that is, all right, you know, the Richardson experiment's probably done. We're going to do what the Titans are doing. We're trading to Forrest Buckman. We're trading Jonathan Taylor. We're trading Kenny Moore. We're trading every fucking player on this team who's worth a shit. And if Anthony Richardson still managed to succeed in spite of creating this bad environment, good for him. Maybe he gets to be our quarterback. But who cares? We're not prioritizing his development. We're tanking this fucking team.

It's over. But obviously, they've chosen this useless path in which there's now no meaningful goal to play for for the entire rest of the season. And I suppose the 2025 plan will be, I don't know, Darnold, Fields, something of that nature. So it's a completely pointless franchise. They had a pointless franchise for four years. I was pretty uninvested in Colts football, basically from 2019 through 2022, because the range of outcomes was so narrow. It was obviously ecstatic when they drafted Anthony Richardson just because it gave me something to root for.

And now there's nothing to root for again. So they're once again a complete clown show. And this is the last thing that I will touch on before I finally shut up. people talk about is it possible that they lost the locker room that just doesn't fundamentally matter like from a team perspective i just like the one thing that i will not i will engage in several different arguments the one thing that i refuse to engage in in basically any capacity in football or life is people who start their argument with well that's just how it is i don't give a fuck about how it is i don't want people who read me or watch me to ever think about how it is i want people

to orient themselves around how it could be and should be because through optimism, we can reach some pathway to a better way of doing things, a better way of being a society, a better way of managing football teams, a better way of anything. But we don't get that way when we start from the standpoint of, well, that's how it is. So maybe that is how it is. I suspect that's how it is. The locker room wants flack-up. Well, fuck you, locker room, because this team isn't going anywhere. And there's no one on this team worth being a cult if this experiment doesn't go anywhere. So, like, if Ryan Kelly is upset that Anthony Richardson is going to be the quarterback,

guess who is not going to be on the next Colt Super Bowl team no matter what? Ryan Kelly, so get the fuck off my team. I don't have time for it. I don't care about it. If anyone's in on the development process, they're welcome. If not, who gives a shit. There's no one else on this team that actually matters because there's no viable pathway to any of these veterans, the 28 Nova Club, being on the next Colt Super Bowl team.

And these fans who just sit around, oh my God, I really wish we could just win next week. We might not be out of this. We might be in the wildcard fund. How do you exist being that fucking stupid to go through life just hoping for a tiny little morsel of short-term satisfaction? Like, don't you want to believe in something? Don't you care about having standards beyond just like servilely praying that the team, oh, feed me, feed me a win. And feed me, oh my God, if we can only beat the Vikings, maybe I'll get through the next six days

in my pathetic little fucking life. It's ridiculous. Fuck you. I'm done. All right. Look, that was a lot to take in. Yeah, well, just like AR did, to lose his job. Here's the real question.

This being a dynasty program. What do you do now? This is where you and I disagree. There was a poll done by Dynasty Zoltan, Mike, good, great Dynasty player. He posted Anthony Richardson or mid-25

second. And let's talk about it because that seems to be the push and pull price tag. That seems to be the where it's at. So we do have two other people on this program that haven't said anything yet today at 18 minutes. So I want to start with them.

Let's start with Lucas. What are you doing with Anthony, Anthony Richardson now with the new information? So first I just want to say, Jacob, I do feel for you, like expecting NFL franchises to act in any sort of like a rational way has proven to be a fool's errant at this point. And they're just,

they're going to do, but they're going to do, which I know you said, is it a good thing, but that just seems to be what's happening here. The reason why we were drafting Anthony Richardson at 101 or 102 in rookie drafts for Superflex leagues was because he was drafted at fourth overall, which gave us as a community the feeling that the Colts were going to stick with him. It recognized that we are investing a lot into this. player, we need to give him time to get reps to develop. And you like throughout his whole career, you've seen that he can produce fantasy points for your roster, which makes it worth it for everything that you had to trade up to

get to that spot or what you had to trade up to acquire him in the off season, so on and so forth. I'm still at least going to hold on to him for a mid-second just based off the opportunity cost to acquire him and just let him sit there because the best case scenario is still going to be that he's going to be producing somewhere between, let's just say, 15 and 17 fantasy points if he's playing. And that's actually not even the best. That's probably the worst case if he does play.

And the best case is he can just sit there. I can trade him for a mid-second some other time, or he could potentially come in do spot duty and get maybe even 20 fantasy points per game. I don't know. Just the upside that you have to be able to convert a mid-second into that kind of production makes me want to leave him on my rosters. I also completely recognize at this point, though, that at least for this season,

there's a good chance that he doesn't play another down the rest of the season. But I do think that he has more NFL snaps. I thought the same thing about Trey Lance as well. So we'll see. Brian? Well, so first I want to give Jacob's flowers. That was very well stated, well argued. I think in terms of dynasty,

value, the thing I would keep in mind is, as Lucas just said, I wouldn't expect a team to do something rational, right? So you might say, okay, if this is the path they're taking where we need to win now for the locker room and we're going to try to get to the wild card, we're like two flackle losses away from the tide shifting, right? In terms of if this is an organization that is just going to end to the whims of whatever the locker room feels like or whatever the fans feel like or wherever you might say the pressures are coming from just Saturday is on the way yeah oh man um i i that that yeah that didn't feel real um but so i that yeah he he just completely drew me off my train of thought um but anyway the you're good no i i i i

I, it's, it's a, it's a rough night for you. You're talking about the Colts bending to every whim. Yeah. So they're, if they're just going to bend in, like bend in the wind to any whim of what the fan base or what the locker room wants, then I think you have to look at Anthony Richardson as a dynasty asset and say, okay,

there's at least a decent chance that he plays more games this season. Will the cults look like total idiots if he, plays the final six games of the year after they've been eliminated and he kind of starts to look good and these are 20, 25. Yeah, they'll look really dumb. Will that stop them from doing the right thing at that point? Again, who knows? We're dealing with irrational decision makers here.

So I'm just going to, I don't care what the opportunity cost was, or excuse me, what the cost was a week ago or anything like that. I don't care about, oh, is, are we like panic selling? I don't care about any of that. I care that I'd rather have an Anthony Richardson with the opportunity to have a future in this league more so than someone like a Justin Fields where we had this exact same conversation two weeks ago.

You'd rather have Richardson than Fields second. Yeah. Yeah, I'd rather have Richardson than Fields. And the reason for that is... I'd rather have Fields because he's probably our starting quarterback next time. So, like... I'm dead serious. Like, if I was the...

No, I know you are. a snake draft if we did a full episode and it was just a snake draft the cold starting quarterback next year i think he's probably like the second pick the first pick i don't know sim and darnald i think darnald would be hilarious it would fields would easily be the funniest because that's like what what the spider man meme and he richmond to just in fields yeah like the whole point was anthony richardson's not ready as an NFL passer and we're completely running away for for anything we can possibly do like who cares about the long-term vision of our franchise

and now Justin Fields is our 20-25 starter and I'm saying that like it's ridiculous but yeah we're we're right down the rabble now I want to get it's actually the most rational way to do this the rest of the season if they actually were trying to play to win is it's like you you actually just play Anthony Richardson on first and second down you play flacco on third

is this the CFL the CFL quarter No, I'm serious. I mean, you look at the EPA and success rate of the teams, and Stephen Ruiz tweeted this out. Their run game, unsurprisingly to anyone, way more efficient with Anthony Richardson on the field, obviously, because he can run and he takes away a defender and makes things easier for Jonathan Taylor. Their passing game, also unsurprisingly to anyone, way more efficient with Joe Flacco on the field. So, you know, they actually really wanted to try and win games. That's what you do. They're not going to do that.

I don't want to do that, but it'd be fun. I have a couple of points on this. First off, if you were buying Richardson at any point through the year, and this is something I talk about a lot. Like, I talk about this kind of thing constantly. If you're buying a player like Richardson who has looked terrible, and you are buying him with the hopes that he figures it out and provides you upside, and you didn't take into account that something could happen.

I think you're playing dynasty very narrow-minded, and you are going to get yourself into a lot of trouble. I also think that there are many pathways for Richardson to get back on the field. Flacco takes one hit. Man is kind of an elder statesman, and now Richardson's back on the field. Bring a blitz, buddy. Jesus Christ. If you're selling that low now to me,

you've missed the plot. Like you're selling that low now after acquiring, right? Again, should be understanding that something like this could happen. He wasn't wearing like a shield to protect him from bad outcomes. To me, you've you've missed that plot. In my opinion, guys like Trey Lance were still getting drafted in the sixth round when we knew Purdy was starting. Somebody is going to value that man's upside at some point.

I would not sell now. In two weeks from now, you could still be looking at a starting quarterback in a Superflex. Maybe he figures it out. Maybe he just sucks forever. I don't know. But I'm not selling at that price now just to do it. I'm just not at all. As for like the chat is going crazy with the locker room stuff.

I want to point out that Anthony Richardson should have lied. Like just for like a fun conversation. Don't don't actually. my hip hurt. I twisted my ankle there for a second. Someone in his, yeah, someone in his circle failed him,

uh, in my opinion. Um, I think the locker room is important. I think if the team is kind of sick of the shit, I think it's important. I think that stuff matters. Um,

maybe, maybe because I'm a locker. I'm a locker room guy. Like that's usually my role on teams. I don't know. But I think, where people get crossed up is thinking that the team

is actually going to tell us anything. They're not going to tell us anything. We don't know. It's a lot of everything we need to know. Right, but they adamantly denied whatever. Right. The team is going to show us with Joe Flacco. The team is going to show us

what the results are going to be. That to me is really what's going to show us. And again, maybe this is one game. Maybe it's two games. Maybe it's not. but none of us know so it's hard to speculate on what a 22 year old

drive. We're talking about 1% athletes. We don't know, so I'm not going to be the kind of comment on it. I think he just needed a decent amount. I hold on. Hold on. I think he just needed to retake media class. I think that, I think maybe another round of like media class would help this kid out a little bit.

But yeah, we don't, I just don't like commenting on like a, 22 year olds like drive and passion for playing. We're talking about 1% athletes. That's where I step back. We're going to talk about Deante. We see that. We're going to talk about Deante.

I mean, the reason we're talking about the for a two thing. I mean, I don't know. Who cares? That to me is like just kind of depends on like how you want to play dynasty. It matters. As long as you're okay with as long as you're okay with a,

as long as when you make the trade, you understand that I think the most likely scenario, is that you're trading a two for a quarterback that never starts a game on purpose, starting in 2025 and beyond. And you're doing it as a lottery ticket where the impact of this bet hitting is worth so much more than the likelihood that it doesn't hit, go for it. But the, but like, I don't think that you should be sending out any asset under the pretences of buying what the team is selling.

That's what I'm trying to say. It's like if you just think like whatever, a two is a two, and I'm going to take the 15% shot, 20% shot this turns into something. That's fine. That's a reasonable like risk or reward attitude to have. But just don't buy what the team is selling. Someone else is someone else's working on mine. But I can't remember who is. So I'm stealing it.

I'm sorry. But there's been 74 quarterbacks since 2000 that were drafted in the first round that were benched by choice. the only two that then became week one starters in a future season by that same team that drafted them were Alex Smith and Rex Grossman. Grossman obviously didn't remain in that role for a long time. And then there's the Alex Smith examples, the better one, but he eventually still was then benched for Colin Kaepermick not that much later. If anyone wants to play five for five, the quarterback who was initially benched for was Sean Hill.

Damn. So basically what I'm trying to say is like if you're, If you're trying to buy now, you either have to have that lottery ticket perspective or you just have to have a lot of conviction in Anthony Richardson as a player. I don't have that. I like AR. I like what he brings. I love the sack avoids. I think he does a lot of things that don't show up in a box score that's hard to replicate in terms of failure impacts the run game and avoid sacks.

And people always focus on the completion percentage. But there's a reason he's like 500 as a starter despite this completion percentage. Anyways. I don't have conviction that he's like so good that he's going to force a team's hand. And that's now where he has to be. I thought, and I thought that he was in a position where she had to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no hope until the team would give up on it. Because frankly, I would like to get this on record.

People keep saying, well, guys got to save their jobs. I will, not only do I think this is bad from a cult's perspective, I will happily take the out on this if I am wrong. but I do not think that I'm going to be. This was an L for the job security of the individuals who made the decision also. If Chris Ballard thinks that he is going to get a seventh starting quarterback after one playoff win, the man is delusional. And Shane Steichen thinks that Jim Ursae is going to fire GM and then dictate that that GM

that he has to keep Shane Seichen, I think he is delusional. So the fact that these two bet their job security on Richardson, and now what is their bet that they're going to win like two playoff games with flacco that it's going to be so impressive that they just have to keep them on for another year. I think it's crazy. So I think these two already signed their unemployment papers today. And that's why I think that the incentives, people that will miss aligned incentives. I think the incentives were aligned here. And Scycheon and Ballard are just being morons about it and betting their career on something. I think to be a lot harder to sell. Yeah, we just missed the playoffs at eight and nine. And we also don't have a

quarterback, please keep us employed versus please give us one more year with the fourth overall quarterback that we spend all this money. I think that would have been a way easier sell ownership. So I hope that they get fired for this. And I will set off a firecracker when that happens. Maybe I'm wrong. Okay. Anyway, point being is that they no longer, he no longer has that insulation. There's no one whose incentives are aligned with him. So he's either going to have to get back at towards the end of this season, which I think he probably will, and then play his ass off to change the minds of the people who just benched him. That seems unlikely to me because he's not that good yet. And I think he needed a fath ton more time to develop. Or he'd have to get traded to someone else

and then shine and camp at some point to go win a job. I don't think that's going to happen either because I don't think he's that good yet because he needed a bunch more reps. And the one team in the one position that was conditioned to give him what he needed, reps doesn't want to do that anymore. So why would anyone else? Yeah. It's, It's tough. I'm not, I just want to put a bow. I want to just tie up a nice bow encapsulating what we're doing in this scenario. Okay.

I'm not buying and I'm not selling at the dirt low. Okay, I am targeting, if you're like in a contender situation, I am targeting someone that might want the lottery ticket and seeing what I have to do to go get another quarterback. I traded for party straight up on Sunday or for, golf is very happy with that outcome, probably too late for that outcome now. Go and see what quarterbacks some of these teams that are forever rebuilding

have to move or what they have to offer and see if they want the opportunity at a lottery ticket. I'm treating AR like he just blew his knee out for the year and I'm trying to give it to someone to get, you know, that wants a shot at having points off the roster with upside later. That's how I'm approaching it. That's it. Nice and simple.

Nice and easy. There's no other real way to talk about it. I know that Andy Buckler and I talked about a lot on the Dynasty Market Report on last week, and all of that still applies as we touched on a scenario like this with the possibility to pop up. So go listen to that. There's even more Anthony Richardson talk on that episode. Do you feel good now, Jacob? We got it.

We're like, we got it. I want to go jump in front of a bus. All right. I feel good. Today is by. And today is by several tears, the most upset I've ever been as a sports fan. I, like, have felt an uncontrollable rage the entire day. Every time that I got an assignment to do work and then, like, took my mind off it and then

re-remember what happened five minutes later, I just, like, felt like I had just, like, gone through a breakup. And then, like, I cried for a while. And it was just, it was bad. I'm in the dark place. I would rather relive the third period of the Leafs 2013 game seven, like a hundred times. Because that was not an avoidable. That was like, that was a team tried its best and they failed miserably.

But this was like a complete self-inflicted. I mean, I get enraged when teams I don't root for make decisions like this. Because I care so much about teams making decisions that make sense. So then when it happens to me, like I just felt like I was like trapped. in Saran Wrap fighting my way out but each time that I punched I just got further trapped

until eventually the like will to breathe was just stripped from me and like five people understood the least reference there but it definitely it definitely takes it definitely takes me back

what up Ron yeah the chat is kind of wilden on this if we want to check's great it's been active yeah they're doing great it's just uh it's just somewhat what kind of in wild.

And obviously, look, if you were drafting Richardson and fantasy, like you were, you should have been understanding what was up. I see a lot of the Lance stuff. The Lance situation is completely different. Lance did say another franchise quarterback. Lance did get the chance to start the next year,

shattered his ankle, then the other guy got hurt. And it turns out the guy that was third on the death chart was also a franchise quarterback, so he got shipped out. And plus he was kind of bad. It sucks. Yeah.

And we see Lance. I'm like we have no idea of knowing but I think there's still a reasonable chance we see lance start in year three for the 49ers if he came in and was a disaster um like it's a little bit of a different situation also like that was also they had a full off season right even if they didn't decide to think by long because they had a full off season this is the middle of the season yeah and the only alternative is flaco who is obviously not you know the long term plan so it's very it's very very different And the Fields thing was, you know, yeah, they gave him three full years. They gave him tons of them. Right. They gave Fields a long leash. I would have loved if Richardson got the Justin Fields lead. And again, we did tell everyone in the off season that there's risk involved.

If you were a Donnie's point listener, that's all we talked about with him. So, and, you know, we're going to continue to do that with quarterbacks like this. We're going to hit break one at 40 minutes. And, you know, it's a nice little 35 minute long. Anthony Richardson package for people to kind of get their palate wet with you know really start to to take in the rest of the episode

we're going to talk Deontay coming back from the break and when we come back yeah we're going to dive into the rest of the episode here sit tight truly truly wild let's talk about Deontay Johnson obviously we liked watching

Deontay Johnson play with Andy Dalton our boy was back. He was getting the volume. And now the volume's gone. Let's talk about the spot. I love the spot. Yeah, I bet you do. I love the spot. Lamar Jackson and Thomas Tipple are the only two

people who like this spot. Thank you. Love the spot, baby. Love the price. I mean, insane price. Carolina eats quite a bit of the contract. Yeah. We love this. A late five for an early six. Touchdown is now free and Deontay is dead. Right. Just judging, gauging the, gaging the room. Lucas, stay awake. Just gauging the room. Is that how we're feeling?

Deante is dead? Like, is this? We're just the rum? Yeah, we're gauging the rum. This isn't me being tired. This is just me being like flabbergasted by the things that are going on. How do we see? Oh, my gosh. Didn't I say quick break? That break was one second. Quick break. Ron is, Ron is being a massive use. too nerd right now and he's like do you add your advertisements and post production yes we do yeah that's not on the not on the audio on the curtain back on us here yeah yeah that's that's only affects the audio ron yeah and we like so i i like to take those breaks as just like a little

palate cleanser like you know now we're resetting we're moving on to the next you know what i mean Lucas as you were saying so the commanders traded away jahan dotson and somehow got a a third round pick. How he does it again. And now how he does it again? GM of the year. How do they keep letting him get away with this? Carry on.

And now we see what, Amari Cooper, we see DeAndre Hopkins. Oh my gosh, I know I'm freaking. We see Devante Adams. And now Deontay Johnson all going for cheaper. And it just makes zero sense.

but also the Panthers trading away a wide receiver whenever their quarterback needs all the help he can possibly get so you can try to figure out what you have. Well, they know. They know. Yeah, I think that. People got to stop on the bench. I'm getting it back on Richardson soapbox, but people got to stop with this whole. Oh, my God. We haven't given up on them.

Once you bench your first round quarterback, it is over. That doesn't mean you won't ever start again. But in terms of decision making, it's over. It's over. It's over for Bryce. Over for Richardson. It's over for Levis. It wasn't even that for me. The decision making, but it is over. It's not even that for me. It was when it was, it was when Canales came out and was like, why did you put Bryce in there? We had to protect Andy Dalton. You know, there was some offensive line issues and we had to protect Andy Dalton. Like just just so much of this doesn't make any sort of sense. Like trying to rationalize any of it is a full. aired at this point. It's true. And it's been one of the strangest seasons I think I've ever seen, at least from a

quarterback standpoint. The Panthers or the other 30 teams. What was that? I'm sorry. I just said rationalized for who, because I can make sense of this deal for the Ravens very easily. I can make sense of this deal for the Panthers pretty easily. I can't make sense of this deal for 30 other NFL themes.

Yeah. I can't make sense of it for the Panthers. So I think you can't make sense of it if you're Dave Canales two weeks ago and you're pretending like this whole thing isn't over and like you still have a job. I think maybe from that perspective, it's a little hard to understand. But from the perspective of the Panthers franchise, what are we doing with Deonti Johnson on our roster? I think it makes sense to make that trade.

I mean, they're going to be net spenders and free agency. So they're not getting a comp pick for Deontay Johnson. So like basically the Panthers, now the only way that I would blame the Panthers is like, if there's, we'll never know this. But let's imagine that someone came to me and said, hey, you know, the Panthers never called the Chargers. But if they did, the Chargers would have offered a fourth. Like, then I'm blaming the Panthers. But like, I'm going to assume that the Panthers did their due diligence.

They went on Sleeper. They said, Deont de Johnson, OTB, selling for highest offer, end of day, Tuesday, October 29th. And this was the highest offer. and to me you were by all accounts they managed the relationship poorly he had no interest in being there next year you know maybe again maybe i blame them for that maybe they shouldn't have have had a massive bad relationship with one of their only good players but whatever like so i'm willing to believe that's all they could get i i i just am unless someone tells me differently so in that case if the answer is get very little or or get uh nothing i guess very little i guess very little

little but I have a lot of questions for the chargers I have a lot of questions for the 49ers I have a lot of questions for the Texans like that that I don't understand mm-hmm the the price doesn't add up to when they're eating that much of the contract too this feels just like get them off our team now like it's because you want to play legate and cocker like I I get I don't get I don't get it from that perspective but every other team in the league should have been calling at that price now let's let as the dynasty show this is what we are trying to identify rational NFL team decisions would make our heads explode

because it drives us all nuts collectively that's not what we're here for uh this is a death sentence right like again i just want to bring this up like we know like ravens and wide receivers are not things that generally that clicked well right like so are you just not interested at this point you got to play them if you have my imagine but you're not buying are you trying to sell like what are we doing. So I mean, Zayflowers has been over, sorry,

I, so Zay Flowers has been over 20 fantasy points in like half of his games, right? Yeah, he's finally getting the bells. Yeah, but so this probably kills that, right?

I mean, you could say maybe like your best ball bags for Deonté or whatever aren't totally dead or your best ball bags for Zayflowers aren't totally dead on a week to week basis. But yeah, I just see no way that this doesn't bring down everybody's, target share significantly on this team. Like the offense still has a ceiling.

The defense has had some issues. Like this can still be a team that gets into shootouts that puts up big scores, but it's not, yeah, it ain't good for anyone involved. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing, right? Is that Deonté, he's like the inconvenient truth. Like, I get that NFL teams obviously don't value him very much. I don't know what NFL teams value. I think it would be extraordinarily easy to win a Super Bowl against.

the NFL decision makers. But they don't value what Deonté Johnson does. All right. But he's played with several different quarterbacks now on multiple teams. And every single time he's on a team, he gets a 25% target share. So it just kind of happens. The only way that he doesn't get a 25% target share on the Ravens over the long haul is if they decide, I don't know, we're committed to playing Nistra can't see

through the sunlight ahead of him. Oh, God. And he only runs the Aguilar routes. That, that I guess. And in that case, I'll still have a 25% targets per route run, but maybe it'll just be an 18% target share. Point is, all the field is getting earned some fucking targets, whether people like it or not. So it's bad for flowers, but, I don't know, it's bad for everybody.

I don't think it's that big of a deal for Flowers' Dynasty value because, like, I assume it's just a rental. The Ravens don't resign anyone. They're just a walking comp pick. so they'll they'll not be keeping him I don't imagine but they're going to come out

of this plus picks that's what the Ravens are going to do that's what they always do that is what they do I know how this is going to work out like Jacob understands how his like Colts

and his rant thing I know how this is going to work they're not going to punish Bateman they're just not like they sign him to an extension they're going to be like uh the drops kind of head he's 100% going to be Agalore

like I'm convinced they watched Agalore drop like first down plays over the middle and they're like, I know what we can do to make up for the three times we're going to need to have this receiver catch this football. That's what's going to happen. I just, they love Bateman too much. A lot of people are saying like, oh, Bateman's going to kind of get knocked out in 12. I don't think it is. So it's still going to be Bateman in 12. It's going to be very frustrating. I'm very sad. I will say I am just holding on to Deontay in hopes that he signed somewhere in the off season. Yeah, you will sign somewhere in the off season. Clearly not.

not for that much money because teams both seem to value him. Again, I think wrongly, but there's also a difference in terms of what skill sets are more valuable in real life and what skillsets are more valuable in fantasy for sure. I'll also say, I think the biggest loser out of this short term outside of Deonté probably is Andrews and likely. Yeah. Because Andrews finally got back over 70% routes this last week. and the reason for that largely

was that they were playing more 12 again. You know, it was more similar to what they were doing in week one of the season. So now they bring in Deonti, at the very least, he's going to take over the Aguilar role. And I would bet they give him more routes than they were giving Aguilar in that role, which means it's probably going to be back to most of the time,

one of Andrews or likely on the field, less Andrews and likely on the field. So the Andrews Andrew's back stuff I don't know I think he's back to not being back They're not going to take Andrews and likely off the field that much And they have Patrick Ricard on the field too much

Like this this is just already played football But they already did until this week I truly believe that they're not Going to go away from their whole tight end obsession But they've gone away from it They've only done the 12 heavy stuff In week one And this past week.

I'm not saying they're never going to use 12. I'm saying I would bet that my hope was that last week indicated a legitimate change that we were going to get last week's usage rest of season. Don't you think it's more likely now that we get what they did, not something completely different than they've ever done before, but more like what they did from weeks two through seven? I would like to say that. But this team pisses me off a lot.

So it's hard to say. But I just think every time you think the Ravens are going to do one thing, right because it's going to be what benefits them they don't do that thing it just it makes me it makes me crazy and i like the better in 12 i mean if it were my team i would do i'd also like the golf personnel and rashad bateman getting ready to learn never being on the field buddy but i don't think they're going to do that i can't that game really tick me off but just just to wrap it up obviously we're sad and disappointed but we're not we're not buying you're probably not able to sell you're probably just kind of stuck with him now

and the cash cow that was him providing you like 15 to 20 fantasy points is over for the year I imagine so but if they flowers ever gets hurt come on Texans like what the hell man like I just don't worry I think that was gonna bounce back the digs thing

like I didn't even have time to mourn the digs thing which is so brutal for me like literally every the three season ending wide receivers are like basically just my three highest owned wide receivers in high stakes this year So the dig thing sucked ass If we could have just gotten Deonté

Right into what Diggs was doing He would have been a perfect fit And that would have just been so It would have been like the one piece of good news That I could have gotten today But no The Texans didn't want to do that They want to play

I don't know John Metchie or whatever Fucking bum So good riddance Good news for Joe Mixin Bad news for sanity And I mean good news for the Ravens, I guess. Yeah.

I mean, I love the Ravens. I love Lamar Jackson. I hope they win a Super Bowl. I don't really think I'm a Colts fan anymore, so I'm trying to find a new team. Well, don't, it won't be the Ravens this year. We're a first round exit defense. So it's, it won't be this year.

We are Swiss. Probably the Patriots if we're being honest. I mean, I got to support the guys. You don't, you do not want to. Hey, you got a bully. They were monitoring. They were monitoring the wide receiver trade market today. They didn't, they didn't want to give up a,

A 15 spot move up, but they were fucking monitoring. Yeah, they've been monitoring for about a year and a half now. Hey, you could Bo leave and go to Denver. You can have the V-Six version of Tim Tebow. I think that would be at the bottom of my list. I'm kidding. I'm never going to actually move for a different team. I will, I don't know if I can, I don't know if I can stay as a Coltsman under Ursa.

But I might just be like a nomad. We were an hour. an hour in, damn near, and we've covered news. This is why we don't normally cover news on this program. Ronald Stewart says never change up. I've been seeing you go through it with the Jets.

Like, we get it, man. This is why I said, this is like me watching the Blue Jays every year. We can't quit. I mean, Jacob and I still hate watch the Maple Leafs.

It just happens. This is why we don't normally do news. We don't cover news because it takes us an hour. So I'm going to double tap break quickly. I'm going to try to find some of the questions in the chat and we'll answer them because this is what we do. And then we'll get into what we actually wanted to do, which was talk some disagreements with consensus crowdsourced ranking, some stuff that we want to talk about on there that don't quite jive with us. So again, we're going to quick tap the break here to get it in so Trey doesn't fight. me and we will get back with a question or two.

Okay, we have seen some questions throughout the show. It has been very hard to get to them with the subject matter and everything. But here we are. First off, Cody wants to know what was the Dynasty Channel? That's Dynasty Points. We released Dynasty Market Report early. They don't get it on Sundays. Joey Boy says, just traded Pollard Hunt and Legate for Bejohn and Sutton.

He asked if that's a good trade. That is a dynamite trade. incredible. I've got to think it's a redraft trade though. Otherwise, how does I go through? Still, I'm still taking Bijon in that one anyway. So I call that a good deal. Yeah, I'm probably still doing that. Bejohn side. I think we're calling that good deal. Rels up, man. Shout up to you. Normally here for the final point stream, but happy to see you catch a dynasty point stream here on a Tuesday night. What are we doing about DAC?

Well, up, man. Buddy, you are about to learn my greatest contribution. to the fantasy discourse, which is the cycle of DAC. Every year we go through the cycle of DAC, which is that as a dynasty, that at one point or another, either due to a lack of support, bad coaching, a lot of very mean things said about him on first take, crippling interceptions and injury, whatever it is, DAC at some point in every dynasty season becomes worth about one late first. And then he will go on a four to six week here at Peter in which he becomes worth about

two firsts and the rule of the cycle of DAC is that whenever Dak Prescott is priced as the cheapest elite quarterback, you sell. But when he's priced as the most expensive non-elite quarterback, that's when you buy. Because at all times, the dynasty community says one of two things about that. They either say, hey, why would I pay up for X? I can just have Dak Prescott. And that's the sign that actually he's too expensive because in two months, they'll be saying, why would I ever pay up for Dak Prescott when I can just have X and that's when you buy. So that's what you do about Dak Prescott. We are about to hit the bottom end of the cycle of DAC and which people will say things

such as why would I pay up for Dak Prescott when I can just have Kurt Cousins. Why would I pay up for Dak Prescott when I can just have Matthew Stafford? That's we're about to hit that with the cycle of DAC. So stay tuned. Yeah, totally agree. He's always a good value now in startups too. he's generally pretty acquireable in dynasties in terms of price of other quarterbacks around him. We're going to talk other quarterbacks around him today because I have a quarterback that's consensus pretty high that I didn't agree with at the start of the year.

And I don't agree with now for the same bloody reasons. I think we're ready to tap into all that. How about you guys? Let's do it. All right. Ryan, why don't you kick us off in this next bit? We're going to talk about, you know, quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers. I can talk about Megan Fox and Marco Robbie.

No. And then we are going to. I want, I want Ryan to say what the PPR stands for the context of that question. Oh, God. Should I? Oh. Yeah, let's not. I'm going to stay with that one.

We're not, we're not, we're definitely not answering that one, Scorpio, but. Sorry. Let's get into this. Let's talk quarterbacks here first. Ryan, I want to hear yours. I think yours is interesting. Okay. So the idea of this is just quarterbacks in the market in Keep Trade Cut that we think are improperly valued.

So my kind of biggest one when I look at Keep Trade Cut right now is for some reason, Caleb Williams is the QB6, where Drake May is the QB12, I would value. them very, very similarly in Dynasty right now. I'll just rattle off like some insane Drake May stats and at risk of getting like some Anthony Richardson PTSD here. But Drake May currently averaging 24.4 fantasy points per four full quarters. Obviously got knocked out of the game early last week, but his 12.3% scramble rate behind only Jaden Daniels. This is like the Drake May mobility thesis that has been hitting. I'm pretty excited about May as,

even as like a redraft asset for the rest of this season. I think he could be kind of like that low end QB1 in positive matchups. And then we look at Caleb Williams, who has been scrambling significantly less, which isn't like a huge surprise that he's not as insanely hyper-mobile as a Drake May. Williams has gone over 20 fantasy points in his three games against the cults, the Panthers, and the Jaguars.

All of those are top seven schedule-adjusted matchups for quarterbacks, but he's done basically nothing in any other game, under 11 and a half fantasy points in every single other game. I just don't know why the confidence is so much higher in a Caleb Williams than a Drake may based on what we've seen. Obviously, very obviously, the supporting casts are quite different. I'm not all that sure that the organizational stability is all that different in terms of what are the supporting castes going to look like a year

from now, two years from now. But yeah, I mean, just the fact that May has done what he's done in this limited sample just makes me very confused as to why people would so clearly prefer Caleb Williams over him in the market right now. Interesting. Jacob, where are you at? Oh, I mean, I agree. I kind of go back and forth on Caleb by the week, not in terms of like, is he a bust or anything

crazy, but just like, sometimes I'm like, oh, my God, this is a superstar. And then sometimes I'm like, this is going to be a Trevor Lawrence, Matthew Stafford situation. I think that's the range. Like, I don't think it's going to be like he's busting out of the league or anything crazy like that. But I haven't seen enough consistently yet to be convinced that he's like a in perpetuity round one startup level type guy, especially because, like those guys I just mentioned,

he runs a little, but he doesn't run, you know, in the way like Jay Daniels runs. So for him to be that round one startup guy, he's going to have to be

like a Hall of Fame level quarterback talent. And yeah, everything that we've watched on May has been terrific. I think what we've always known about May, and this was underrated

about him, is that he plays the position in a very, very fantasy friendly manner. He throws deep. He runs more of the people want to say for the same reasons

that they don't think a lot of conkey can win the outside. And I think it generally is going to be an asset you're going to love to have. I like them a lot as a prospect from a real life perspective. What I've seen so far, I've been very encouraged by. He definitely has to, you know, still make improvements. I don't think he's like anywhere at the level of lock now that like Jaden Daniels has shown. But you have to be excited to what you've seen through two and a half games for a young guy. And if he can really just

clean up some of the footwork stuff, I think it's going to be exciting. So I agree. I think him and Caleb outside of the height, pretty similar scenarios. And if they're both, that's the important thing. Outside of the fact that Caleb already has the receivers, but if you just look at their talent profiles in the vacuum, both Caleb Williams and Drake may end up equally good in real life, Drake May will be a better fan. He just runs more. So he will be.

And I don't think that what we've seen so far suggests that there's a big gap between them as real life quarterbacks. I understand that the market won't see it that way because they thought they had a lot higher fire on Caleb. That wasn't how I evaluated them coming out of college. I thought they were very close. So I still think they should be closer together in Dynasty. Yeah, I've been very impressed by all the rookies that we've got to see play, really.

Like even Bo Nix, I am pleasant. I'm not, dude, he's scoring fantasy points. Like, and he's doing it in a way that he's going against the expectation. Yeah. Yeah. Against what you expected. Two rookie rookie rookie pick, but yeah. I'm fine with that, man.

I, I'm sorry. I wasn't expecting, uh, multiple 20 point bangers and a 30. point banger out of Bo Nix with this team throwing to a six foot nine 35 year old rookie scat back wide receiver like like this is all he also has the most dropped uh unrecut un catch oh my god air yards that were dropped right he leaves the league in that too because Troy Franklin booty cheeks the way it looks right now and Marvin Mims talk about real booty cheeks but I mean I think there's a reason to be impressed yes he makes it look harder than it should be don't watch the game.

Just accept the fantasy points when they come in. You don't have to watch the game. Just take the fantasy points. But we're talking about like a 202, a 201 pick in your Dynasty Superflex rookie drafts. I'd be excited about him for sure.

100%. I don't mind your May call, though. He should be hired. What can we sell them for? I didn't know anybody like Boe Nix. I drafted a lot of Bo Nix, especially in best fall.

I thought he would score decent amount of fantasy points because he runs and Peyton everything. But he looks brutal to me. I haven't enjoyed watching a Bo Nix personally. Well, look, for people that really liked our Anthony Richardson's, you're getting that level of look bad and more fantasy signs. Yeah, he's like 100 years older than Anthony Richardson. I don't care. He's going to have a job longer than AR did.

Yeah, I guess this is the issue. Like, is, I mean, I don't know. Is he going to make it through next year? Yeah, I think so. I guess you guys had lower expectations for next. Like, I actually had pretty high expectations for NICS because he started five years in college. So to me, like, I don't expect a lot of progression. from Bonix.

I kind of expected him to be what he's going to be immediately. I don't know how much better it's going to get for him. You know how I looked at it? I looked at it like this. We want quarterbacks in the Sean Payton system because they always produce. And he basically has the quarterback that he wanted Tassam Hill to be

and kept insisting that the system be that. Trade it up to go and get him. Yeah, I think he's fine. And again, he's doing it with like the corpse of Cortland Sutton and some nobodies. I'm okay with where he's at. I had this discussion with Herms, writer over here at FantasyPoints.com about him.

He's sitting around QB17, and just like the kind of, this actually got updated recently on here, because he was a little lower. I believe he was at 19 earlier today. There are some quarterbacks around him, and it's like, I don't know, I think I'm just happy to have Knicks that.

I'm not buying Nix because the price is going to be up to what I wanted, but I'm not quickly to sell him either. Are you selling him for J. J. McCarthy? I absolutely would. Pretty easy for me. Yeah, I would. Oh, my God. I would absolutely would. But I just don't, like, maybe people will do that, but the people that have McCarthy are people like me that believed in them beforehand. Man, talk about a guy who's values going up, not playing. Thanks, Sam Darnold. Jeez, Louise. But yeah, no, that's a good bit.

I agree with all that. I'm just saying, I've kind of liked what I've seen out of all rookie quarterbacks so far, really. That's it. That's all I was trying to say. I'm not like a take for you out here bow nixing people into the next atmosphere i just think he's fine and you don't have to sell him when he's scoring points you can just take the points on your roster that's all i mean it's certainly safe the rest of it um so by all means i think he's going to be a guy to cut it off some of my shares up in the offseason but um we'll see uh the one the one guy i want to talk about two in the rookie quarterback's section that's a legitimate value right now uh this is a bit of an inside straight so i don't know if that's logic holds but um

Roman Dunesay is, I think, looking better on film than the stats, but everybody would have to agree that it's not been the greatest starts. How is the lowest on him here? Jalen McMillan Sucks. Not great. And Jalen Polka socks. Yes. So I wonder if it worked a little differently.

Oh, okay. I see what you're doing here. Okay. What if the receivers were not dragging Michael Pennix? What if Michael Pennix was dragging all the receivers? I think how thoroughly unimpressive the three Washington wide receivers have been has legitimately made me move Michael Pennix up a tier in my rankings. Or even how inefficient like Geno Smith has been in the range.

I'm not impressed by grub at all. People love them because they're passing a lot and I appreciate that for fantasy. But like this torp was out there doing like repeated 11 personnel runs with no a fan blocking fucking nobody. I don't think he's exactly all that. No, but shout out for him for letting Ken Walker cook, though. I mean, we've got to give props for part of reserve. He has been, no, that's awesome.

Ryan Grub is like, Ryan Grubb is to me, he's like the new Cliff Kingsbury in terms of a guy who like is doing a lot of stuff that I don't think is very smart, but that's very fantasy friendly. So it's fine with it being in the league. Because it's like Cliff, it's like, okay, I don't think Cliff is like the sharpest tool in the shed, but he like plays fast and he doesn't really rotate personnel. and he feeds a bunch of running back touchdowns and they run and he plays a game like all right works for me it's fun right i want to just address keith here he said we still don't know if Zach Wilson has it or not he could be a problem for next i can tell you uh he doesn't have it i'm getting made by these comments i i'm i'm i'm i just i just want to say you never know got to say it um no i've been impressed uh lucas who do you got for quarterback so my not to

pile on to Patrick Mahomes more because we've been doing that a lot on the show recently. I've been standing on my- In general, have. I know, Thomas, you have been leading the charge, but we're there to agree with you, man. Not everyone. Just saying. But I'm really curious why Kyler Murray is still ranked behind Patrick Mahomes. Like, at this point, it just isn't making sense to me.

And he's viewed as a full tier lower than Patrick Mahomes. So looking at just for this season, 0.57 fantasy points per dropback compared to 0.43, 18.9 fantasy points per game compared to 15.7. Point four war per game compared to 0.03, 8.2A.Dot compared to 5.9A.D. And 1.7 turnover worthy throw percentage compared to 3.1. It just isn't adding up. You look at the advanced stats, Kyler Murray is still doing well. He is outscoring Patrick Mahomes.

Patrick Mahomes finally had at least like a fairly decent game this past Sunday. So I'll, I'll take it. He still didn't hit 20 fantasy points in a four point league. Still. So hasn't done it. I understand some of the risk that's viewed with Kyler Murray, but I don't think we need to be looking at quarterbacks as these like unliquid assets. Like you can move quarterbacks at this point.

I don't think you should be planning for your dynasty teams to have the same quarterback for the next five years or however long your league's going to be going before people get bored with it and move on because you don't make trades and it's a really boring league. You need to be able to move off of quarterbacks except that Kyler Murray is playing much better than Patrick Holmes is right now for fantasy purposes. You want that kind of quarterback on your team. He does not need to be ranked lower. I'm fine with a lot of quarterbacks ahead of him.

We just need to make sure that he's above. Patrick Mahomes. I just want to point out that last week, I wanted to put Mahomes down in a tier, I believe that he belonged in, and we sat there for 25 minutes discussing that he needed his own. So I was right there. I'm pretty sure I never

said that he, like, had to be over Kyler Murray. I don't think that was the argument. No, no, no. I'm just saying where I believe in my... Same tier as Trevor Lawrence. In my... Just for where I was with Mahomes. Like, I'm feeding... I'm enjoying everything Lucas is saying right now. Okay, but it was like two years ago that he was, what, the QB1, the QB2?

I think Alan, he's still going to shut of him. Like, yeah, something changed. I guess, okay, but we know what changed. No, but okay, but what changed? Because I'm just, this is what I'm trying to figure out from the, from the Mahomes faders, like long-term dynasty Mahomes faders. Do you guys actually think that he's like a fundamentally worse quarterback than he was two years ago? Or?

Nope. you just think he'll never care about the regular season again? Like what, what is the impetus for this? Tyree Kill's not walking back through the door and neither is prime Travis Kelsey. But neither neither is prime Travis Kelsey. And he's at a stage and they run a slower offense. Their defense is better.

They run the ball an annoyingly large amount with fullbacks into the A gap consistently. Like they're they're in their playing to win in February. era. They're playing slower. Unfortunately, Nagy is there. Like, that's the common denominator for me. Nagy showed up and the offense went different to me. That's important. But again, the defense is good.

The run game is good. And they play the game differently. They don't have the same type of offense. They're wanting to play that longevity game. And Mahomes isn't even running the way that he used to be. For me, in terms of like the fading of Mahomes at his, price. It didn't be the same thing we get into with my quarterback that we're going to talk about in a minute. But quarterbacks that don't run have to do a couple of things, pass at an

insane volume rate and have insane touchdown rates and efficiency. That's not happening. I don't know when that's going to change or if it's going to change, but to pay the Patrick Mahomes price when you're sitting there benching him for like Bo Nix, the price doesn't add up to me and that's that's where I've been coming from his the mohomes price doesn't equal the mahomes production and now we're just betting on safety that's not something I like to play on I you know me I am very much a punt at what I feel is an overpriced quarterback and I'll do that constantly I don't see it turning around either I don't not quickly well it's got to turn around when their defenses and it's bad um so the which is hard to predict I'll admit you you look at

Pass food over expectation. This will surprise people, I think, because their actual pass rate is below average. But they are one of only eight teams right now that is a positive PROE team. It's Seattle, Cleveland, the Jets, the Broncos, that's surprising to me. The Bengals, the Bucks, the Vikings and the Chiefs.

So they are still passing. They're not as high PRRE as they used to be, but they are still passing. Right. It's just that their defense rocks it. And that's hurting them and the weapons. and I think the biggest thing is like that Mahomes kind of doesn't care.

That's it. Yeah. Like, because if anyone is actually, like it's funny, like there's been these discussions. This is why I was asking, because I was genuinely curious because some people are like saying like,

Mooms doesn't actually that good anymore. And it's like, well, that's not it. Yeah, I'm definitely not saying that. We got proof of concept last year that like he can play like shit for an entire regular season,

decide to care in the playoffs and dog walk everyone. I agree. Probably going to happen again. obviously that doesn't help anybody for fantasy football purposes so I get why you don't care but that's that's the one thing I was just curious about no it's not about he's playing well because his stats are decent but I don't think he looks good

does anyone else share this opinion or am I on he's curious I think I think I'm with you in that he doesn't care at this point but here's the problem with me with Mahomes um he's if you're a player that's legitimately shooting for a bi-week playing Mahomes at this point or buying him or paying up for him he can legitimately cost you

your buy week if you keep just putting him into the lineup because his name is Patrick Mahomes now I totally am ready for him to score like 35 points five weeks in a row I'm wearing egg on my face etc but to me he's again part of that quarterback his allure was that he scored

an insane amount of touchdowns he rushed a lot more than most other what I like to call pylons non, you know, the prime runners, if you would. Like, he's just not providing enough over replacement pretty much, really, for me to have his price warrant be like one day he could go back to scoring 45 touchdowns. One day, it just takes a lot for a quarterback to get there. It's the same reason I push back on my next, on my next quarterback here in the preseason's,

which we're going to get to now because it all just ties together. So we might as well get into it. I don't like C.J. Stroud's quarterback four ranking. I didn't like him being the third quarterback off the board in the preseason. Didn't like it then. And I don't like it now. I called C.J. Stroud, the worst pick at ADP you could make in the mock draft episodes that we did. It is simply because the rushing didn't provide a high enough floor to me.

It's hard for a player that doesn't have a strong rushing profile to return. their ADP, and I mentioned it, there's always one guy. There's always a Joe Burrow. There's always a Justin Herbert. There's also, shout out Justin Herbert. I mean, last week we finally got one of those games, man. Good for him. He's still so good.

Poor guy. Right. Greg Roman, just trying everything he can to hold him back. Also just want to point out that Ladd McConkey's Lod McConkey's touchdowns. He both started in a slot on both of those when it comes to winning on the outside, just saying. But these, What about, shout out to the, who are the folks that are like slot bates don't translate to the NFL? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a hell of a route too. But these quarterbacks, these pylons that I like to use the term all the time, uh, struggle to maintain their top three, top four. You literally have to be Mahomes who still rushes 300, 350 yards and is usually good for a few touchdowns at least. Look, the Houston Texans told us in the offseat.

season. They gave us warning signs. We don't want C.J. Stroud playing hero ball as much. We want to control the offense. We're bringing in Joe Mixon. We're going to run the ball. We're going to control the clock. They told us all of these things. And to me, what it's really shown is that Nico Collins makes the offense go. Because without him, C.J. Stroud has been different. Let's look at, from all quarterbacks that have had a minimum of 75 dropbacks, via the fantasy points data suite. He's 23rd in fantasy points per dropback, 22nd and fantasy points per opportunity.

He's 20th with a 15.5 points per game. He is fifth with a 13.2 checkdown rate. He is not pushing the ball the way that he used to be. He does, however, have a very good 1.9% turnover worthy throw rate. Do you remember last year, though, when I said there's no way he's going to get away with turning the ball over, throwing as few interceptions as he did,

in his rookie year, he's already almost at his last year's rate. And that clearly affects fantasy production, at least a bit. And you look at his war, what he provided. Wasn't last, wouldn't he have like three last year? What's almost a three is it two? Well, he's got, he's got four. But I mean total total turnovers. He had more funnels.

His war, 57th overall, he was QB8. He provided a 1.74 war or a point one to war per game. This year in 2024, he's 96. QB 19 at a 0.4 war or a 0.05 war per game. Pylon quarterbacks struggle to return that value, period. You need perfect scenario, matchup, touchdowns, efficiency. You need everything to go right. I didn't like it then.

I don't like it now. However, I will say don't hear what I'm not saying. C.J. Stroud, good fantasy quarterback. He is a good dynasty quarterback. he just needs the perfect scenario to return at that price. I will never draft C.J. Stroud at this price. As I said in the offseason, there's just the burrows and the other types that you can bet on later. I still feel this way.

I understand why C.J. Stroud is here. I don't like this. I think he's here because if you didn't put C.J. Stroud at four, then you would pick somebody else as the... I like, I still would prefer Jalen Hertz. Like, I still would prefer Jailen Hertz. Jalen hurts. I think Jalen Hertz and like even Jordan Love are pretty easy for me there. So love I

get but like I just here's the issue with love is like love I don't like We're just gonna have the same conversation about love in a different year that we're having about Stroud he doesn't that's what I'm saying yep agreed He just has a really high touchdown rate right now. Yep And is what he needs to spread out to him being great

but like I think CJ Strag's great too Love I think before is more of like a legitimate schematic I need to be right back You guys, keep going, hold on. Then PFF, Bobby. Yeah, that's a thing for sure. I also think the age difference is worth a look. But I don't know.

The floor thing is fair. I don't know. I think it's like Love Stroud. It's like whatever. You're going to, if you want Love, fine. But there's going to be a year in the near to immediate future in which Stroud is going to have a high touchdown rate and Love is going to run cold on touchdown rate. And then we're going to have the same conversation in reverse.

The Hertz thing is just a philosophical difference. I can't spend my first round dynasty pick on a quarterback I think sucks. If you want to, that's fine. I will just take a wide receiver, I think, is good. He's like unwatchable. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm not going to disagree. But yeah, it's like the guy that falls into the end zone twice in a game,

or yeah, three times in the game last week. Yeah, it's just. But no, I know what you're saying. It's hard to. I don't. I get concerned about that. I totally get the hurts thing. He's going to score a bunch of points and he's not going to lose his job anytime soon.

Yeah, I get that. That's what I was about to say. Yeah, if he lose it. But like, yeah, I don't care how he is if he's not going to lose his job. Yeah. So I understand it. It's just like there's a degree to which I can associate fantasy from real life. And just for me personally, even if it's not even logical, I can't, I can't do it.

I can't spend my first round dynasty pick on a player. that I would refuse to ever watch their games out of fear that I will start sending trade offers. Like I couldn't do it with Richardson. I can't do it with hurts. Like that guy is not good. He's like not a top 20 real life quarterback in this league. He can't make a read.

He can't throw over the middle. The entire offense is Sequin Barclay, A.J. Brown engine. I get it. He's not going to lose his job because he's going to be there. But it's just that. And I'm not. So one-yard touchdowns are going to live forever, too. I know.

And it annoys me. And it's like, and it's like, I don't, I don't have to like sit there and I'm not going to tell you that it's going to stop. He's going to keep scoring one yard touchdowns. I'm going to keep being annoyed by it. I'm not going to pretend that it's surprising.

I'm just going to be annoyed by it. No, it's, that's fair. Ron Stewart has plus 2,000 MVP odds worth a sprinkle on Hertz. I mean, that's, that's a heck of a play.

That might be a call the number. It's stealing AJ Brown's MVP. Yeah, this is, this is a Jared Goff MVP year, even though he throws like 11 passes a game. I can just, I can just see it.

Scott, William, appreciate you. Every once in a while, I come through with the bangor, but that is this, that's just to wrap that up, and I had to step away for a second for my wife there.

The off season I got roasted for that take, and now in season, I make the same point every year. We just end up right back. It's right along with like the late round QB play, like in the off season, they're like, oh, you're whatever.

And then in season, man, they're really valuable. We do the same cycle. It's every season. It's just how it is. Jacob, do you have a quarterback? Well,

we talked about enough quarterbacks. I think we can go to running back. We added like four extra bonus quarterbacks in that little bit. We can talk about it. Also, yeah, the QB award. It is really dumb how the MVP is like that. Let's talk running backs.

I want to start with Lucas. Oh, you said you didn't have one. Yeah, I remembered. Don't worry. I'm a professional. You want an over value or under values,

well, first I'm actually going to take the last break because I'm going to use that thing that I screwed up on. I'm going to use that as an opportunity to take the last break. Come back. Reset. And we'll talk about running backs. We'll start with Ryan's when we come back.

I think it's important. We didn't talk about it this time, but we have fun here and you should too. Sometimes we make jokes. Sometimes those jokes are at a player's expense. It does not mean that we take it that seriously. You shouldn't either. Just a reminder that we do not watch

as much film as you guys would probably like us to, but we do our best. Just a reminder, we have fun here, and you should too. Ryan, let's get a running back for you, because mine is probably obvious,

so we're going to start with yours. All right, so I just realized that both of my guys so far have been on the Patriots, which is a little weird. I didn't do that on purpose at all. Yeah, Homer pick, I guess.

for Andre Stevenson right now, RB 32 on Keep Trade Cut, in terms of like comparable-ish assets, he's valued well below like a James Connor or a Najee Harris. And I see those guys as pretty similar, right? So Stevenson, to take you down memory lane from a month ago, open the season as the clear bell cow. In New England, he was getting all the work, It's averaging like 23 expected fantasy points per game over the first two games. And then he fumbled once per game in each of the first four games.

I'll tell you exactly what happened here is the media, local media, got extremely upset about Stevenson fumbling. Are you saying that he was punished because of woke? Yeah, basically, yeah. The media made chart. Pretty much, yes. The liberal media. God damn, Jacob. Okay, second monologue, Jacobs derailed for me today.

So yes, Romandri Stevenson, benched because of the liberal media, or not even the liberal media, just the media that is like pining for the days of Bill Belichick when they could get really happy whenever like a third string practice squad guy just got sent to the shadow realm for like one mistake in a game that we used to like get off to that in New England it was kind of a weird sick obsession that we had up here and but this is like what was this is what was happening right everyone's like oh the running backs fumbling the ball put them on the bench like that that's just kind of what we want to see happen and Geron Mayo I think unironically makes decisions based on what the media is saying about him.

I think there's a little bit of a, a little bit of like a inferiority complex with Belichick kind of in his shadow. So it's like, yeah, we're gonna bench from Andre Stevenson. They benched him for like literally one drive. And then it was back to like this gross committee with Antonio Gibson. He got injured, comes back.

First game back, he's suddenly a Belcowian. He's had his high. snap share of the season last week, 79%, 80% of the backfield carries, six out of the eight red zone opportunities. It's like none of that ever happened. It's like week one and week two again, where he's just getting all of the work. Now this offense is at least a little bit functional slash potentially. Functional is a big word, but maybe potentially has reasons for optimism. I think Romandri Stevenson is like a high-end RV2 for the rest of the season. This isn't like making any dynasty fortunes or whatever.

But if you're comparing him to somebody like a James Connor, like Anagie Harris, I'm going to take Stevenson there. You're getting a few years on, not that I even care that much about how old a running back is like in this type of tier. But it doesn't make sense to me. I think I like just am trusting. that this is what Stevenson's going to be the rest of the season, unless he fumbles again, maybe.

And saying that there's like a market inefficiency here, just compared to similar types of running backs and how they're valued in the market. Right. Stevenson either helps you win the week or he sinks your week. There is no in between with him. But, I mean, he got the contract. We know he's good.

I think you're right. There's a market inefficiency here for sure. I would prefer him over guys like Connor. His position has moved up upon updates today, which I think is interesting. He was a bit lower today when I looked earlier. He's currently sitting where my player used to be. He's currently moved up, but we'll get to that.

Jacob, do you have a running back you are against the market on, if not all of them? I do. I do have a little arbitrage play for you. I don't know if I stole yours. I couldn't see yours on the sheet because I'm blind. So if his name's Tyrone Tracy, you did. No.

Okay, good. It's not Tyrone Tracy, but man, a lot of player. Okay, I normally hate doing this arbitrage shit because it's usually the case, like, when people do the arbitrage, it's like, it's always some engagement farming asshole that's like, why would you bar this guy? And it's like some player who like is like the same like metrics wise. This is what Jacob accuses me of every week. But like it's just clearly not as good if you like aren't brain dead and that's why the other guy is ranked higher. So normally it just bothers me. The whole like concept of it bothers me.

But for once, I decided to be a good sport and I decided to play. So why would you pay up for Shakewold Barclay when you could spend down for Joe Mixon is my take? I think these do actually have very similar profiles other than one being gross. in that both are assured contractually of being next year. They're both of a similar age. And their statistical profiles are very similar. Expected fantasy points. Ryan's going to have a full 4.5 when I talk about expected fantasy points.

Joe Mixon has 19.1. Sakelon Barkley's down at 17.4. So that's the point for mixing. In terms of you look down into the fantasy points advanced rushing data suite, both are well below median and mistackles force per attempt, but well above the median and yards after contact per attempt. And then both are hitting it absolutely out of the top in rush yards over expectation.

And depending on your view of rush yards over expectation, that might mean that they are overrated bums in great situations, or it might mean that they understand the subtleties of the running back position and they get yards that aren't accounted for by engagements with defenders. You pick. I'm not here to tell you which one. I think it's a little bit of both. you watch Mixon. He looks better than he's ever looked, frankly.

He doesn't look like Joe Mixon this year, which is the highest compliment I can give him. And he's set up in a system that is willing to make their team worse to make sure they get Joe Mixin board touches instead of fast at the ball. And Barclay is going to be thriving for as long as he's in Philly. So got to be terrific for Joe Mixon. People are going on the private chat about my dick choke. If you don't listen to Adam Levitin very often, he always refers to a full 3.9 when people get very excited.

I gave Brian a 6 inch. Actually, give me 0.6 of an inch. Wow. I give you 8 inches on top, a 0.67. So I think you should consider that a compliment. But whatever the stat may be, B.U. A. A.

A. Or a Chad. football watcher. I think Joe Mixon is a pretty nice value. I bet you could get him. I bet you might even have to give a first for Mixon because he just has such low brand equity that if you can find a team that's not depending on Mixon's points,

you might still be getting for less than first. You're going to have to give like a first plus for Barclay in most instances. I think that the bet actually is, strangely, in this case, pretty similar. And for one free, five for five win, whoever buzzes in first, tell me for one point. who the running back is. For two points, how many touchdowns he scored, and for three points, how many yards he rushed for

when this infamous Patriots running back was benched after a particularly notable performance and the first NFL start against the Indianapolis Colts. Jonas Gray, how many touchdowns and how many yards, buddy? Three touchdowns in Olivia had 251? Let's see. I was pretty sure I had this off the dome, but now I'm just making sure.

That sounds close. It was four touchdowns, 201 rushing yards. So one five for five points the next time we get. There we go. That's what's up. Yeah, he's the most famous benching after he had one snap like the next week and he got benched. Phenomenal.

Yeah, no, that's a good point. I think you'd have a hard time finding someone this late in the season willing to let mixing go. But maybe they're out there. Maybe you can sweeten the deal with like another running back. We don't know. but yeah that it's a great call he's look as soon as they said we're bringing him in to just run the ball it should have been a signal i drafted as much as i could of him when he was cheap in the off

season but you're right although i do feel really dumb for like fading barclay as hard as i did i'll admit that um he's been unreal my running back is well a running back i loved in the off season i was the highest on this podcast second highest of the people that i know our own brett white field was very high on him. It's Tyrone Tracy. When I started writing this up yesterday, he was RB 32. He's already moved up to RB 27 before week eight before the concussion or the head injury knocked him out.

He had completely taken over for Devin Singletary. This wasn't a maybe. This is just Singletary went out and was Wally Pipped. He never got his job back really at all. He has a size speed demon, our own Brett Whitefield in his. pre-draft guide mentioned that he is a three-down skill set. I don't care that he's older. I just do not care.

To me, he is what people wanted Antonio Gibson to be as a converted wide receiver. A lot of people made that comparison. I said he's better. I said he's better. What's that? You right now. The first time in the history of fantasy football that the phrase X is what people wanted Y to be has ever been used in a way that isn't worthy of just getting

shot in the face. Yeah. you right now. I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Never happened again. So don't get cute with it.

That's the only time. It's ever going to be used as Tyrone Tracy Jr. He actually is what people let it at the time of Gibson. He can pass blocked. I think that was the big thing with Gibson. He passed protects well. They trust them. He can catch passes.

Did have a drop on a screen there. Whatever. That's going to happen every now and then. But we're talking about an explosive player from weeks five to seven. So not including last night, 14.3 points for game on an expect. 12.2. He had 10 mistackles force. 25%

of his yards were from explosive runs. Runs going past 15 or more yards. So he has that skill set. 48.4% target share in the first week was Singletary back. 62.5%

route share to Singletary's 15. I mean, the target share he's leading at 10.6. I mean, he added another 20 cares for 145. There's the big 45 yard touchdown that help the Giants get back to the game against a great defense. And when he hit the hole, he was gone. Talk about explosives. Like we said, big guy, huge Raz score kind of guy. Obviously, those players don't always work out. But as Sean's saying in the chat, he's got the juice. He looks unreal. And he was free. Now, do I think he's a difference make

a running back? I don't think so. However, I I will say this. The thing that makes me so in on him in this scenario is that they gave Devin Siegnery enough money. I don't think they're cutting him. I think they have enough problems that running back in this draft isn't a focus. And if they like Tyrone Tracy enough on his rookie contract, they're going to give him run next year.

So I'm buying. If it's a second, if it's a two plus three, I don't mind going and spending that on a contending team for running back. He looks like the real deal. he can do everything. This team is a mess. The offense is a mess. But Tyrone Tracy Jr.

looks like the real deal. So I will say shout out Alex Pissera. He was the earliest of anyone that was in on him. I'm happy I hopped on that train with him. We're in on him now. Good player. It looks like could be a great player. I don't care that he's like 24.

I really don't care about that personally. I'd love to hear everyone. like the players around him. He's a great example of how the market is shifted on players like this in recent years. I have 24% Tyrone Tracy, which is moved up 86. I guess I'm just saying that to flex. I'm just trying to think the reason why that'd be relevant. Anyway, and so what I'm going to do with that?

Normally, if this was two years ago, I would have been like, okay, I'm putting it all in the block. I'm going to try and get first with at least half my shares and whatever. else. That's just not really how we treat running backs anymore. So at this point in time, there's not really a point you buy up until a first. I'm not buying for a first. I would sell for a first if it's offered. I just, I'm not expecting that to really happen. I just don't think that's really how people treat these day three running backs any longer. You have to sustain that over years to really get comfortably worth it. So I'm expecting Tracy to go into next season

being like the classic, well, I wouldn't take a second forum and I wouldn't give them a first forum kind of player. So you may as well just hold now and buy more shares now if you can for a two and a three or something else because I think you can be starting running back for a couple of years. Nope, I agree. Anyone else? No, that's some. Yeah, you got pretty much covered it.

Yeah, he looks awesome. And I think your thoughts on the market are correct. I just want to pull up. I was hoping somebody said one or two more things. Oh, I can tell you what my best fault. exposure is too if we want to go okay hold on I'll just fill air and let you know that I'm looking at what was your battle royale exposure yeah man uh let's actually pulling on my phone looking for it while there's dead air so yeah well look all I'm doing is I'm trying to get actual

trade expected advance rate on BBMd B oh god also remember remember when I'm sorry for two hours yeah I know I was down bad on that for sure. We got a couple of Tyrone Tracy trades from a day ago. We got two thirds still being the price, which I think is a little egregious. I think that's kind of nuts. We have...

26% of all exposure. Yeah, that's not surprising. We've got Tyrone... We've got Tyrone Tracy and Brandon Ayuk for Jalen Waddle and a fourth. I find that to be interesting. Tyrone Tracy for a 27 second. this is for the person who asked what we're

what we're paying Tracy or ETN I feel like is a very interesting question you're taking Tracy over ETN anyone else Tracy taking Tracy Lucas

I'm taking Tracy because I think it's close in real life and ETN has reached the level of like people have always kind of hit at ETN but now they really really hate ATM so I think it's a point where like even if ETN turns things around

I just think there's like so much negative market sentiment that he's going to be like running and mock from a market perspective for the rest of his career at this point. Find that interesting. He's not being harassed. Essentially. Yeah. Even though ETIN hasn't played and Tank Biggsby has looked pretty good,

consensus still has if you look at the crowdsourcing sites, ETN higher than Tyrone Tracy. This might just be a late market reaction. But if that is the case, if I can get a plus on top of them, I would on top of Tracy. This is my classic tier down. I'll try it out. I will let the people know.

Yeah, let us know. We'll post it from the account. I think it's Tracy. I don't feel good at all saying that, but. Hey, this is one of those situations where if you buy a low, low enough early, they can really, really work out. So that's it for running backs. Let's hit wide receivers.

Travis E.N or Trevor E. I like Trevor a lot. My God. Trevor's a way more natural pass gap. Yeah. Well, we're, look. That's like a Devy thing. That's college football.

That's Monday night. We got to answer trapbox question. This guy's been dying on the vine all night. Right. I was going to wait until we get to the next segment, which is what I typed, but let's talk about it. We normally answer questions because they tend to derail the rest of the program. But let's get into it. He says, I'm thinking of dropping read for downs.

He's on waivers. This has got to be. redraft, I'm assuming? Yeah, I mean, I don't understand what league you're playing. Neither of those guys could be on waivers, so drop someone else.

But my answer would be for as long as Flacco starts, I will probably rank downs higher on a weekly basis. I still think it's pretty likely that Richardson winds up playing by the fantasy playoffs, and it's

not close, who you would rather have if that's the case. Right. It reads a baller. I know it's been a tough couple of weeks, but can we not drop him, please? Let's let's drop him.

Yeah, I would, I would want downs as well, as long as Flacco was playing, and it looks like Malik Willis is going to get more run here with the neat thing. So if you need,

like, the immediate, yeah, I'm playing downs, but I agree. Can we not drop like a shitty running back somewhere? Maybe if you have more than one tight end, like let's drop one of those guys. yeah hopefully we got that while your grave night

lunch break is still going we appreciate you hang with us my cats are going insane beside me right now truly insane and I have gotten comments name your next three most dropable assets yes he says full ppr redraft if you name yeah the next three maybe we can narrow this down let's talk wide receivers and then get out of here because it's not going to be two and a half hours I hope but hopefully we can keep this at like 210.

Okay, here we go. Let's talk wide receivers. I lost my spot for a moment. Uh, wife distracted me just now. Ryan, let's talk about your wide receiver. Uh, yeah. So we're done like beating the drum for Ladd McConkey because he scored two touchdowns. And now everybody is a huge Ladd McConkey fan.

So I will take the dub, I guess. Uh, but now we're going to have to keep like pushing down the Xavier worthy. his talk, I think is the angle I wanted to take tonight. I don't know, yeah, I feel like I'm like weirdly obsessed with this. Like Xavier Worthy is just rent free in my head this season for some reason. I don't know why he's above like a Keon Coleman on Keep Trade Cut, like a Debo Samuel who is actually going to produce for you this year or even a Josh Downs is well below him on Keep Trade Cut right now.

It makes no sense to me. And I very specifically chose to do this after Worthy has finally had like his two quote unquote breakout games, at least from a usage and target share perspective. Two games in a row above a 20% target share. That's great. The problem is they're not like, they're not like real targets. And what I mean by that is, look, worthy in terms of the types of routes he runs is almost all either. Like he just catches a screen behind the line of scrimmage, or he is running straight down the field on like the most hopeless go route you've ever seen in your life. And that's kind of how he's being used.

It is unironically the Me Cole Hardman role. He is top 12 in percentage of vertically breaking routes. About half his routes are just vertical like that. That's all it is. the team is doing absolutely everything they can to avoid worthy being in anything resembling the quote-unquote Rishi Rice role, which I hate that we've been talking about the Rishi-Rice role for a month now and still feels like no one has actually filled it. But that role, it's a lot of slants, it's a lot of horizontal routes.

Worthy has done everything but that. Essentially, they're trading for Washington-Dy-Andre Hopkins. and then saying that he's going to fill that role for them, they're doing everything they can to make sure it's not worthy being in the actual valuable fantasy football role. I could compare him to like a Keon Coleman, who has also had kind of a mini breakout over the last two games, but at least on the season.

Yeah, Keon Coleman on the season, over 2.2 yards per outrun, that's top 20. For perspective, Drake London had a 2.2 yards per out. run in his worky season. And that's when we were like, oh, yeah, like, he's arrived. The advanced stats are so great. Drake London is, like, is the truth. We know this despite the lack of production.

Yeah, Coleman has, I don't want to say he's looked like amazing. I think the, I think, like, the Oamari Cooper has, like, opened things up for Keon. Coleman is, like, not true at all. Coleman's been getting a lot of his usage kind of in, like, the heavier packages where Cooper's not even on the field a lot of the time, where he's like the one wide receiver on the field or in 12 personnel. But you can see kind of what the skill set match is with Coleman and Josh Allen, right? Like Coleman gets just enough separation for Allen to be like, yeah, I can chuck the ball to

you and you're going to go up and get it. And that's what's been happening. And it's kind of working. So yeah, if he hadn't had one touchdown call back, he'd be averaging over 20 fantasy points. for game the last two weeks. Yeah, I think Coleman is it at least, I can see like the NFL role for Coleman that we've seen be valuable for fantasy before. And I just don't see that for Worthy right now.

And yeah, again, for some reason, the similar assets are valued very differently in the market right now. So if you were on a rebuilder right now, would you trade and somebody offered you Xavier Worthy for Josh Downs? Would you be taking that trade or are you hanging on to Josh Downs? I was keeping Downs. Yeah. Why would I bother with Xavier Worthy?

Unless it's so much like, oh, I really have to get Josh Downs points off my roster or what, but why would I do that to get like a, no, I think is a way. He's ranked higher. Yeah. I mean, it's a legitimate question. If someone's just looking at rankings, I mean, it's a legitimate. It sounds like, oh, I'm getting a player ranked way high. That's in his rookie year.

Yeah, I'll take that. I mean, the down stuff. I've been buying downs, like, even though I thought Richardson was going to play. a long time for the Colts just because I love him so much, even though I didn't think it made sense. But, like, if there's one slight, like, ray of sunshine in my life right now, it's like, Josh Downes should be, like, a top of 10th Dynasty wide receiver. Like, the only case against Josh Downs is Anthony Richardson, and that's, that's gone. Maybe it's back, like, in week 14 of this year, but it's no longer this eternal black cloud hanging over his dynasty value.

Like, his, he's now, he's now in quarterback no man's land, which is bad, but it's still a lot better than Anthony Richardson is my quarterback for the next five years. So as for Xavier Worthy, I have chosen to abdicate analysis in favor of a song, which I'll perform for you. And it goes a little bit like this. M-I-C-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E. That's Xavier. M-I-C-K-E-Y-M-O-U-S-E. It's the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Come inside, it's fun inside. Mickey Mouse, Clubhouse. We're all call. Ron Del Moore, Nicole Hartman, Xavier Worthy, hey, that's me.

That's all I got. Oh, man. It's funny. You, like, you were the highest, so obviously you've kicked rocks on this. So annoying about the Xavier Worthy thing. It's like, I wasn't high on him as a plate. Like, go read my, like, write up pre draft. Like, I was like, I'm saying

highest on the podcast. I was like, once, the, the only reason that I had any interest in this guy was like that he went to the, um, yeah. And that based on Ryan's take that he made on him still being overvalued, I stand by the process that I was like, he's just going to provide this guy like undue helium where if he's great, he's going to go to the moon.

And if he's not, I bet you have a longer saw window than you would anywhere else. And you do because he still has value despite being pretty bad. So I stand by the process to some extent. I really wish that I, I mean, this is the thing, right? We play a probabilistic game. And every time that I get a take right, where I'm like,

I wish I just had more conviction that like this guy's garbage. But I like was like, yeah, but what if I'm wrong? I always wish I had more conviction. And then sometimes I do have the like, no, this time I'm standing on business. And then the guy ends up being way different than I think. So I'm fine with it. But yeah, Xavier Worthy is not great. And it's a tough theme that he,

he, you know, ends up going at the 1-9 and the majority of drafts with Thomas and McCawkey right behind them. Yeah, agreed. Can't say I'm shocked. He was my worst pick in the seventh round from those same mock draft shows just because of the risk that was involved. However, I will say Paul Patterson, who was on one of those programs did mention, like, he's going to have some security. It looks like that security exists, but I'm fully with Ryan on this take here. surprised that he's still getting this much. There's a comment.

Took Rishi a while last year. Week 11, don't disagree, but could be early to call. I would have agreed if they didn't go and get a wide receiver and say he's playing Rishie's role. Like that to me. Which,

what's a lie based on how he was used this week, by the way? He was like he uses an extra shoot. Yeah. Who's that? Oh, yeah. Well, here's the thing. I was talking with Scott Barrett about this.

After caching points, I brought it up on caching points, which you can get. every Friday before the drafter party on Fridays. We are the DFS go-to, but I said the Rishi Rice role has a lot of option routes. There's no way DeAndre Hopkins is coming in and running one of the more complex rules

that a receiver can have in three or four days. So I think maybe eventually he'll take over that role. It was still Kelsey, but it's a lot of option routes, a lot of trust routes run in that. And you read also doubled down this week and said, yeah, we're going to have, we're going to play a more in it next week. Like he said, yeah. It's just to me, I just think it was a playbook issue.

That's very possible. Yeah. I mean, I think it'd be a great fit for it. The big counter I'd have to MTF revolt is that Rushi Rice was good on a per route basis immediately. That took them a very long time to scale his routes up. And the question was, can he translate the production on more routes? And the answer to that was an affirmative yes. Worthy got full routes immediately, probably by accident because of the Hollywood Brown injury,

and then hasn't done anything on those routes. So I, you know, the old, this guy's great on a per route basis. What if he gets more routes? Graveyard has many tombs. So it's not to say that every player who's good on limited routes is also good on full routes, but that's a better profile to bet on than already getting full routes and not producing. So I think that the Rice profile at this time of year is very meaningfully better than the worthy profile is right now.

Yeah, I agree. But again, it could happen. It could. But I've been very happy saying, and this is if you're in Dynasty, and you're wondering if you should buy you should sell and kind of what you should do, I've been very happy saying,

well, if it happens, it's going to happen on someone else's roster. I've been okay with that through this whole process. I think I have zero percent worthy. I've maintained a 0% worthy. I'm okay watching somebody else get that spot if it does indeed happen. I was very happy investing more into Ladd, Brian Thomas Jr. And unfortunately, Jonathan Brooks at this rate, because get on the field. He's going to be a league winner in 2029.

Yeah. Well, all right. Let's not get. Let's not break hearts here, Jacob. All right. I know your heart is broken and you're in pain. We don't have to go there. Lucas, I'm intrigued by your receiver because I,

I was defending this man earlier this year and I've had a harder time especially given that he probably did cost Anthony Richardson a touchdown that might have saved his job this week but let's let's talk about it A. D. Mitchell is your guy

this fucking guy I'm gonna sit back Jacob you're the arguing here no yeah I think it's a poor timing to anyone to choose A.D. Mitchell as my guy here but what I really do like about him is that his average separation score, it's number one overall.

0.282. His win rate 30.6% still number one overall. And he's number three overall and targets per route run at 0.355. All excellent numbers. His yards per route run, that is where we start to get into some issues, which I completely get. That is only 1.3.4. That is a hundred and fifty second out of all the wide receivers tied end and running backs who have at least 50 routes on the season. So that's really not good. But he's still top 20 in horizontal breaking routes.

He's number one in vertical routes. So only 85 routes on the season. For somebody who looks this good in the advanced analytics, I don't think that we should be dropping him, which is like my big thing. I don't, you know, I'm not going to be advocating for him to be skyrocketing up ranks, but I don't think that he needs to be falling. And he's been falling pretty far. He's falling 15 wide receivers on keep trade cut.

Whatever I checked that as to Day Labs. I don't have the exact numbers here, but he also fell on that one too. So he keeps going down for someone who I don't think has hurt himself. So that's kind of my thing is let's pump the brakes there. I think that he's a really good addition into some large. trades as like a throwing candidate at this point with the way that some people are viewing him. So I'm trying to acquire him in ways that aren't just, you know, like going out and like sending two thirds or a second some further gear because I also just don't like doing that.

But like I'm not just trying to trade for him straight up. I'm looking to add him into other deals whenever the manager's not going to care about him as much because he's not scoring points. But he has looked good like his athleticism very clear. translates to the NFL, which I absolutely love to see. He's a better route runner than I was expecting, or at least he's getting open more than I was necessarily expecting him to get, which I also love to see.

And they are at least like giving him routes that have high scoring potential. He just has to convert on them. Big, big if here, very big if, which once again, fully will admit. Oh, yeah. But it's to the point that I don't think you need to be dropping him. Right. He's worth keeping him. He should buy him in Dynasty.

What's that? What was that? I said selling that nobody would have. I said he's a talented kid and you should be buying him in Dynasty. Yeah, you're just overlooking at him. Like, I'm overlooking at Rashad Bateman. I get it. I understand.

Yeah, he annoys the shit out of me. But the guy's, like, the guy's talent pops off the screen. I mean, he wins on every single route at all three levels, legitimately a great separator. I mean, he is the author of his inefficiency. So, like, it's a situation where, what is regression really? I think there's like two

there's like two kind of types of fantasy football regression which is number one is guys getting them lucky and eventually he's going to start getting luckier and two is guy is playing too good or playing too bad

but we know that these things start to even out over time so even if he's descriptively earning his efficiency or inefficiency predictively it carries less weight that's the hope in this case is that he's not just this player who has all of the skills to earn targets and none of the skills to convert targets. The hope is eventually it all starts to come together in one. But yeah, it's the stuff that I will say from watching the game is like the target for

Rout Run Stop is pretty fake in the sense that it's not a matter of like he's just getting a random subset of routes and if you translate it over he would earn targets on that many routes. it's very much an instance where they know he's super talented. They also know he's a fucking liability. So like when it's time to do the A.D. Mitchell play, he's on the field. And when it's time to do the somebody else play, they want him to fuck off the field because he's very liable to just like do whatever he wants and run into somebody else's space or miss a block or like do something else to screw up a play.

So if he doesn't have a chance of getting the ball, he's not a guy you want on the field because he's not, he's got main character energy. So I think that that's an issue on terms of how it's going to translate to watch, but it's clear as day that he's a talented guy. And just like we said with Josh Downs, every Colts wide receiver should be getting a big long-term outlook boost with them moving on from Anthony Richardson. And if people, like, I get it if people don't want to listen to me on Michael Pittman because I've hated this guy like his entire career with the Colts.

So I understand it. But if you watch him just like laser-focused. on Michael Pittman next Colts game. I'm not even going to blame him. Like, he is just cannot play right now. He's clearly hurt. He should be on Inter- Reserve. He can't move.

Did you see the Benzill? Somebody needs to go. Where it was just play after play of Pitman, like, giving up or, yeah, that was. I don't think he's giving up. I think of him for weeks and everybody saw classic Jacob hating on Michael Pittman. It's like, I do meet with Pittman sometimes. But, like, you know, it's, it's, it boss. me that we live in a world in which like tapping out for a play because you don't think that you can do what's best for the team is judged.

But like what's praised is like going out there and killing your team by not being able to run 30 routes a game. Whatever. That's the world we live in. Props to him for trying his best. Some coaches have a conversation and say, Mike, you're down this week. Like, you can't move. So it's at some point, I think that that that trip to the injured reserve has to be in play. and in that case,

this wheels up for, for A.D. Mitchell. Because it's bad. He's like, I know, and he can't come back to the ball. You can't fight through contact. Like,

it's rough for him. I think this is like, the most down bad. I don't think it's a testament to his ability, just being gone. I just do think it is. He is massively hurt.

If Michael Pittman wasn't hurt, I would be like dancing, tap dancing, that we're going to get like eight catches for 75 yards, Michael Pittman, Jr. again. And I'd be very,

very happy, but we're not. Said, Ron Stewart says, got to love having a tough convoy with Richardson, but not Pittman. Yeah, like Jacob said, it's the world we're living in. But speaking of Josh Downs, the last player we're going to talk about today is Josh Downs, because I wrote him up yesterday before the information broke, because I just kind of thought it was wild that at the time, granted, this might have changed and probably did change.

Josh Downs was wide receiver 40. Now, last year, I said I would take Josh Downs in a second over JSN, and I'm still happy with that approach because... Josh Downs over JSN in a second. What's that? So I would take Josh Downs over JSN and a second. Yeah. Well, exactly.

But again, I got, again, eviscerated on the inner webs for having that take when I had it, which was very early. Because of woke. Because of woke, that's right. when we know how it goes it's because of woke. But look, we have seen the good and the bad with Josh

Downs. Obviously there was the whole he hadn't scored X amount of points with Anthony Richardson and then he had the big long broken play touchdown. But now we don't really have to worry about that as much. But we know that he's an absolute baller.

We know he can ball. He was bawling with Gardner Minchu last year. And a lot of people said, well, he's doing it against rookie linebackers. And, you know, it's the slot fade that didn't actually exist, but it's clearly translated. He has three games this year, four games this year of 15 or more PPR points. He has two of 20 or more, one with a 19 and a half.

He is a legitimate wide receiver one potential type player. Our own Scott Barrett, he wrote that in three games with Flacko this season, Downs averages at 26.5% target share would rank wide receiver eight this year, nine catchable targets per game. That's wide receiver one territory. We lost Jacob. His laptop died. We knew this was going to happen eventually.

Maybe one second. I can fix that. Lucas said I might cut out. He said as Lucas said that. I'm still holding on here, though. Yeah, we're holding on. Jacobs didn't. I just hit act on the window.

Oh, I thought your computer died again. this is how we roll here I was rolling Twitter and I hit X I show lives like it but like like Anthony Richardson I'll be honest I was just nice oh my God you tapped out of the episode but nine catchable targets per game

would be wide receiver 1 and 19.2 fantasy points per game wide receiver 7 in the three games with Anthony Anthony Richardson falls to a 21% target share wide receiver 32 3.3 catchable targets per game wide receiver 60s and 9.6 fantasy points for game wide receiver 52.

He said this was adjusted. That's bad. That's bad. However, the good thing is we don't have to worry about Anthony Richardson right now. And I think wide receiver 40 for a player that has legitimate potential to be the wide receiver one on his team, even with Michael Pittman Jr. there and playing and healthy is very much worth more than wide receiver 40. Guys like Devante Adams, Jacob, you had mentioned JSN. there is a ton of players on this list that I would prefer Josh Downs over.

Keep in mind again, started writing them up before the news. I was completely ready to be locked in with Anthony Richardson and Josh Downs in the long term. I think he's worth it. I think he's going to continue to get better. Now he has moved up to wide receiver 37 as of now, but Chris Godwin still ranked ahead. James and Williams still ranked ahead. Jordan Addison still ranked ahead. Terry McClure, Tank Dell, Xavier Worthy,

JSN, now we get into like the Ladd-McConkeys and that. Now I can understand of somebody, look, I can understand. I can understand. Yeah, I would prefer Ladd. But look, I would say this. Great Brandon Iuke for him. That's a, that, again, that's another great one. He's injured, you know, people might still hold Brandon I,

youk to a high esteem. I definitely don't. But like Chris Godwin, he's a zero. Like it's over. Contract year, ankle off the body. Somebody, oh, he could come back this year. He had the cleanest surgery you could get out of here, Twitter doc, respectfully. Don't care.

Like contract year and this happens, I can't imagine. Cooper Cup, okay, if you're contending and you're saying, I'd rather hold Cooper Cup and ride him out to the end of the year, fine. I think Downs provides close enough, at least with Joe. Flacco in the game, you get you close enough to Cooper Cup on a week-to-week basis at this point. So, yeah, and like Ricky Pierce, all's close to him. He has finally passed Michael Pittman Jr., but Jameson Williams still being on here. Mr. I might get arrested now and definitely got suspended.

Although it's for Adderall, which is like a whole different conversation. This is like the Chris, Chris Davis and baseball situation with his Adderall and ADHD stuff, but whatever. you got like Debo Jordan Addison I you Terry McCorn tanked like I think I'd just rather have Dell dynasty long term so he's too low

we know that he can ball we've seen that he can ball and now he has a situation that we wanted I'm buying like maybe the the crowdsourcing sites don't actually match in league value which is something that happens often but this just signals to me

and why it's important to look at this and really evaluate compared to your own rankings, it's important because this tells me somewhere out there, this is possible, that he's attainable somewhere. And it gives me hope that I can continue to keep acquiring because it hasn't caught up yet. So maybe keep trade cut and the other crowdsourcing sites

are a fucking lie. But this is what feeds hope into my heart that I can continue to acquire. He's a baller. He's ranked too low, and it won't be too long until the rest of it catches up. You want a segue? let's segue

What feeds hope into my heart is kicking your fucking ass as a player picks When we come back That's about what I'm gonna do That's a really good segue Actually Well done Jacob

I love it That's I got I got tickets to a midnight showing of Rocky horror Picture show That I did not think It was gonna be

This but We go any later We're getting close So we got to take I can't stand that movie I think it's terrible I'm ready for the chat to like come at me for that but yeah i think rocky horror picture show is terrible so there you

go fun fact about tom yeah it sucks dude oh my god it sucks all right if people aren't familiar with how we do the game that we're about to do we pick a quarterback outside of the top 15 a running back outside of the top 15 a wide receiver outside of the top 30 and a tight end outside of the top 12 and ppr rankings weekly and we each pick a player in those rankings we total up the point that they get towards the end of the year at the end of the week. And at the end of the year, we total all of those points up in the winner, which will be Jacob this year. We have to figure out a prize for second place.

He's just so far ahead of us at this point. We've got to do something to stay locked in. You should ask that the Colts fans rooting for 9 and 8. I'm sure they have ideas on. Oh my God. It never stops. They pick the drinks that the other hosts consume on the live. rookie draft portion that we take part in every year.

I'm very sad because the pickleback shots last year are still fresh in my memory. I am the worst at this this year after leading for the first couple of weeks. Shout out to me. I have 343.72 PPR points. Then it is Ryan at 347.04. Lucas at 371.36 and Jacob at an astounding 532.26. thanks to one week, really. But he has had back-to-back really good weeks,

but the one killer week was the highest week ever produced on this show. So shout out to you. I'll start, obviously. Last week I rolled out Tua, who did me well. Javante, pause. Cedric Tillman, 28.9, and Jatavian Sanders let me down. Thanks, Price Young.

Yeah, shout out Cedric Tillman, the new Nico Collins. We didn't really talk about him, but the new Nico is a chat. Is this real? I'm going with Herbie. I'm going with Rashad White. I'm going with Keon Coleman. And I'm going with Will Disley.

Will Disley, apparently the tight end you needed in this Greg Roman offense. Not Hayden Hearst like I thought it was. Obviously, I have trashed Herbert enough. But I always said the same thing. It's the pass volume. And it's the touchdown efficiency. if we get those things, we like Herbert. Now we're going to see if it continues,

but I like the stack. You need a stack in this scenario to really like keep pace. Yeah, you got to make up 190 points. Yeah, we're making up ground. And I'm going to take the Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receiver one, Rashad White, in the game versus the Chiefs. So shout out. I was very serious which non-boxable wide receiver you were going to name

as the box wide receiver one. I didn't know if it was Irving White or on, that I knew it wasn't going to be an actual wide receiver unless he started winded up. Yeah, he looks unreal. Let's go to Lucas. Lucas is saying he's having some serious connectivity issues. I will give Lucas his picks in Luke in Lucas.

He's going with James Winston because James Winston is just an absolute lock. QB1. Anytime they let him sling it, he has the Joe Missoula of quarterbacks. If anybody watched his pregame interview, it's incredible content. Go with Kareemont because he values

scoring two touchdowns every single game. He's going with Michael Pittman because he's all in on the blackout train. He's going with Johnny Smith, who has just been quietly bawling recently for the Miami Dahl. Yeah, not bad picked for Lucas, someone that has to make up some ground as well.

What we all do, let's be real. Ryan? Yeah, we're going to go with Baker Mayfield. He's been running like the over 20 fantasy points every single week type of scam. Didn't matter with no Godwin, no Evans last week. We'll take it in a negative game script. Brian Robinson, we're open for the scam where he gets all the goal line carries and scores twice. That's what, yeah, that's what we're hoping for. Jacoby Myers, who has been bawling is actually the, dare I say, has been alfaying Brock Bowers.

that's kind of crazy against the Bengals. And then we're going to take, we're going to take the leap into T.J. Hawkinson against the cults because, yeah, there were no other tight ends that I could stomach this week. So we're going with the, we're going with like 30% of the routes for T.J. Hawkinson and hoping that that's better than the other options.

Hawk being back is going to save so many of my teams. Like, I've just been waiting to activate them. Jacob, who do you got? The people's attitudes towards T.J. Occamson have just gotten steadily more optimistic. It's funny how bad the tight end position has been that every week the concept of a December ACL returnee becomes more and more appealing.

It went from T.J. Augustine's dead, useless to, like, save the T.J. Hawkinson. Yeah, we put him in the second tier. I'm going to just out of like pure masochism. because I know the world doesn't like me. And I would love nothing more than for him to, like, epically fail and the Colts to lose 70 to nothing on Sunday night football. But I just know that the way that this is going to happen is that Flacco is going to light it up

and beat the Vikings on Sunday night football. And I'm going to have a bunch of people my mentions being like, we're going to wear the division, bro. So I know that he's going to score 25 fantasy points. And if he doesn't, I'll be happy. Chase Brown, running back because he plays the Raiders. DeAndre Hopkins, a wide receiver because he plays the Buccaneers. And Cole come out at tight end because he's the one of the 13th tight end ones.

They ranked 13th this week. So I'll go with him. And yeah, those are my picks. And it doesn't really matter. I could take two weeks vacationing in the Bahamas. These losers are never going to cash me. Yeah. That's, again, this is, I hate your team.

You're going to score. I might be a full point, a full 4.5 with the expected fantasy points. But with these picks, it's like, 2.8. Oh my God. Are we talking like metric or Imperial though? That's, I realize you

it's like, I don't know. Oh, man, we start going centimeters. We're talking double digits, buddy. Believe you and me. I'm talking standard scoring leagues. That's the PPR. All right.

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