Fantasy Football Daily - BUY Brian Thomas Jr (A Real Buy Low) + What Is Jordan Addison? And Even More Trades | Dynasty Points

Episode Date: December 15, 2024

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Hello, everybody. This is Thomas Simple. Joining me, as always, is Andy Buckler. This is the Dynasty Points Market Report for Week 15. If you're listening to this Sunday morning, you could have gotten this Friday morning had you gone to the Dynasty Points podcast feed. You get this show a little bit earlier. We encourage you to do so. It helps us out a lot. That being said, we have a pretty big episode. I have a personally. question tied into here because I need a little bit of input on this. I can't make this decision. Need some help. We have, of course, some things that annoyed us. Don't worry. I'm not letting Andy talk about Anthony Richardson again. We have some trades that we've made. We are highlighting players moving forward this week. It is Jordan Addison. We're going to highlight him to talk about. This is a very buck-centric episode. Come to think of it. We're going to talk about Remandre Stephen. because I think this dude's getting propped up here a little bit unjustly, if you would. We're going to talk about him.

And if you listen to School of Scott, they mentioned Brian Thomas Jr. as a possible bylaw. Now, normally, I would have been screaming and being very mad talking about how that is a fake bylaw doesn't exist. However, Buck and I wanted to talk about this as of last weekend because I did some searching on our favorite crowdsourced sites. And it turns out you actually have what seems to be a buying opportunity for Brian Thomas Jr. We're going to talk about all of that and more on this edition of the Dynasty Points Market

Report. I think, Andy, we're ready to dive right in. First off, want to shout out you losing the buy week in the league where it all started. with us. Congratulations on fourth place. You absolute scrub. I will enjoy watching your matchup from first place. Hey man.

It's where winners are made right now. We got it. We wanted it this way. That's what we want it the whole time. That's how we drew it up. I didn't want the buy. We didn't want the easy way out. Right.

You want you just good coaching. It's good coaching. I didn't want your team to get rusty. Yeah, I wanted them to play a game. Rest in the by, maybe they're going to boat. I'm a Giants fan.

Like I know how that is. Play a game. Let's go. A Giants fan that though the crowd can't see are wearing a Jets hat. So you seem like you're going through some personal turmoil and an identity crisis this week heading in. I know Juan Soto signed with the Mets, but you don't have to crash out and have a team fandom identity crisis. We're going to bring you back down to life here.

It's tough out here from me right now. I can't laugh. That being said, let's talk about. what annoyed me this week in the fantasy community. And I posted my leagues in the Dynasty chat simply because it's fun to talk about. But I want to talk about accountability control. Now, you're listening. You can't see my air quotations, but very heavy air quotations on the accountability control.

Most of the time when you post your leagues, people don't believe you in the first place. It is important to be honest about your profile. files. To me, winning and losing doesn't mean you're a good or a bad player. We understand situations happen, right? Someone might look at my winning percentage and see a sub 60, or yeah, sub 60, but there's, you know, 10, 11 teams that I'm tearing down or had torn down. Everyone plays the game differently. I'm open and honest about that. Yeah, I've got eight, I've got eight by weeks. Sick. I've gotten, third six seven other sick how many championships i'm going to win i at least one i help that's the

goal if i walk away from every year with winning a championship's bloody hard mate it's tough you need a lot to go right i just hate this idea that we have to police or quote be held a cat the goal is for us all the time is to just become better dynasty players all the time things are going to be gotten wrong are going to go your way. You're going to have bad luck and good luck. Hell, in the Scott Barrett Danny Kelly Invitational, Jacob and I are co-managing. We got a buy week and we lost Godwin and Rice. And because it's on MFL, I have no idea how to make a waiver claim. We haven't made one. Our website's too damn difficult to figure out. It's built for MS DOS. No thank you. We secured the buy week. Don't know how that,

like things are weird this year in the league. So this idea that we have to hold everyone accountable. Yeah, there should be some transparency with your subscribers and stuff. Buck, we talk about all the time. We talk about our losses. I post my losses. We both do.

Trades we got right and wrong. Guess what? We're going to do an episode, multiple episodes on that come the off season, and we're going to regroup. I just think the idea that online in the, remember, we're talking about stuff in the community.

It's mostly on Twitter, this argument back and forth. Look, there's so many tools you can just go and check a player's portfolio by their profile. You know if someone's lying or not. So it's just this idea that we have to pitchpork and burn villages down over portfolio breakdowns for accountability. Makes me crazy. It's just a small thing. It doesn't really impact anything, but that's my small rant. Obviously, we, I say this all the time. We will always be accountable. We do episodes every year, what we got right,

especially what we got wrong what's going to help improve our process what are we going to do differently coming in the next year that's part of being in the game every fantasy manager should do this if you're not trying to if you don't look in the mirror

and ask yourself what the problem was I don't think you're going to get much better as a fantasy player which is my opinion any thoughts on this before we keep going yeah I agree the the accountability thing the portfolio thing is it comes up every year around the fantasy playoffs on Twitter. I'll be honest, like, I do care about it.

Like, if you sit here and you talk, you know, talk heavy on Twitter and you claim your portfolio player, like, I do want to see it. Like, I'll be honest. It's going to, I'll care a lot more about what you have to say if you back up that you actually win and don't play in two leagues. Like, that's just me. Like, some people hate that take. Some people don't.

I don't engage in the whole Twitter thing. Like, people get mad that people post it. I don't care. You do what you want on Twitter. I mean, my timeline right now is just Yankee fans being mad at the beginning of Juan Soto. So I'm probably not even going to see it. So you can post whatever you want at this point. He's a Yankee.

Yeah, I've been doing that. I've been coping last week. But Kyle Tucker, Yankee. Anyway, I definitely do. I definitely do like, I do care about it. Like I said, I'll be honest. I do care. If you claim to be a portfolio player, like, I do want to see it.

Because a sample in one or two leagues, like, that doesn't say you're good or bad. Like if you lose two, if you're in league, a league with someone in two leagues, they lose both. I'm in a bad player. That's a small sample side. If you claim you playing 50-60, like, yeah, I do. I do want to see, like, if what you're telling me on Twitter, I want to see if you're actually doing that because I don't, I don't like that shit. I don't like the buy this player do that and you're not really doing that.

You're not really like, you're talking cash money ship and not backing it up. I don't play that. Like, I don't like that. Me, like, I, you can find myself on Twitter. You could look me up. I'm dying to see Buck on Sleeper. You can look me up. You can find all my leagues.

Like, I don't care. You could come roast me. I post every trade that I lose, that I win, that anything. So I, like as someone that does play portfolio, and I'm not saying I play in a hundred league portfolio, but I do play portfolio. Like, I definitely do care. But I also at the same time, don't care. I don't know why, like, every single year on Twitter, we have to have this argument.

Like, just let people leave people alone. Let them do what they want. Some people post fantasy content and don't play, and that's fine. Like, they've been playing a couple leagues and have, you know, they like helping people more than they like playing in leagues. And that's fine. If you're up front with that, that's fine. Like, I don't care.

You don't have to play in 100 leagues. I mean, shit, most normal people, most sane people shouldn't pay in 100 leagues. Me? Me, yeah. But if you claim that you're a portfolio of dynasty player, as a portfolio of dynasty player, yeah, I definitely care. So it just is what it is. Like, I know. But every single year, it's like we have this argument.

And next week we'll have the argument about how, if it hasn't happened yet on Twitter yet, I'm sure it has, how teams out of the playoffs shouldn't make any moves. Like, we'll have that happened already while you were lost in. Soto Land. Yeah. We had that already. But I do agree with, most of you're saying.

As far as my, what pissed me off, I don't have anything this week. I'm a happy guy. Well, sort of. I just,

I just a sort of thing. On Soto, I'm a happy guy in football world. All right. I like to hear that Buck. I like to know that. Fun fact about Buck and I

and where our friendship started was in a league that it has one of the most diabolical league chats I've ever seen. Buck thought I was one of the worst players. He had ever seen. even though he refuses to admit it. I know.

I know he thought I was the worst. I'm now first in that league, by the way. So there's that. And our friendship actually bonded over baseball, which is where, you know, things turned around. Not because of my fantasy play. I'll tell you that much.

Had to convince them. Like I've had to convince subscribers to look, at least listen. And you do. And we thank you for that. But I agree. I think we should care to a point. But yeah, just for me,

it comes down. to final thought on this. It's just big legging, if you would. Without results is a lot different than what I'm talking about. For sure. With that being said, I think we hit our first break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about some trades that we made. And we're doing our first player highlight, which we are now going to do as some trade deadlines have passed.

We're going to look at some player highlights and start taking a look at players that we want to have a deeper dive into their season and kind of what to expect for them heading into next year. So Sita we'll be right back after this very short break. Okay, Buck, I didn't make a single trade this week. I have been so busy with content and podcast and live streams and diving into rookie content, which I cannot wait to tap into. I cannot wait to hear how many times I hashtag don't know ball. can't wait. That's my favorite part of the year.

That being said, you did make a trade. So let's talk about your trade before we dive into our player highlight. Yes, I made one. I actually kind of thought I made other trades, but I couldn't remember any. So I know this one. I made this one on Sunday, right after like the 1 p.m. slate, the trade deadline was that week. So it was Monday.

It was the next day. I trade it. I have the buy first round, buy. I'm second and second place, I think. So I have the second time. I traded away Keon Coleman, a playoff first. It wasn't mine, but it's the guy in third place. The guaranteed 203, and I got back AJ Brown.

I think I definitely paid to get AJ Brown, but I look at it as not necessarily a fake overpay because I do like Keon Coleman. I don't think he's a fake piece. I don't think he's a fake player. I think he's actually a really interesting player and has real dynasty value and is actually underrated because he hasn't been playing.

The first, I'll be honest, I care a lot less about because I don't like the class as right now, especially in the back end. the 203 like that was the piece for me where it's like this is where I just get taxed in every trade like right here this is where I get finessed every single time where I'm always the one throwing something like that and like the trade to me should have been keon and the first for a j brown the dude just got eliminated that should have been the trade I had to throw in my second not only to have to throw in my second I throw in my high second that's just where I got every time it's annoying but I did it I wasn't going to lose the trade over the 203 which it's probably going to be a running back that I probably need. But I am happy with adding AJ Brown to my team. So now I have a really good core of Puka, CD, and AJ Brown the three receiver.

It's a star 10 three receiver league. So I'm happy with the trade, but I do think I actually pay. I don't think it was a fake overpay. I think it was a legitimate pay for AJ Brown. Yeah, that's market pay. I think you should have had to put your two in there. Even though A.J. Brown struggling a little bit going on Twitter, etc.

I think I think that's just his price. I think a late one, an ify Keon Coleman, if you would, who about worth a high second anyway. To me, that that's right on brand. I think it's a fair trade. I think it's going to pay off this week, although I said that,

God, did I say that last week about Josh Jacobs, and immediately later that night, I looked like a complete jackass as he scored three touchdowns. Still had like 24 points, which I don't know how you do that with three touchdowns, but shout off to him. Me got it done anyway. That's league winner Josh Jacobs to Buck at that point.

So it panned out, but he's not losing too much. much i think that trade's fine i think it's i think it's an okay one they got to squash their beef i mean it's not often you have guys like veterans of the league like brand and graham coming out saying how they used to be friends now they're not i think he was i think it sounds like some lost wave titles i think he was super misunderstood when what he said though maybe but you just don't see it i listen to the whole thing course i well there's relationship drop there's relationship drop So the bucks all in.

Real housewives of the NFL. I listened to the whole thing, and I really think the quote is out of context. He misspoke. He was talking about how, like, he meant like their friends, but,

you know, things have, not that things have changed and the friendship, just things have changed. He really, he shouldn't have said anything. Like,

he should have just left it go for sure. And then I did watch the interview where AJ Brown talk about it. He said, BG, just be talking. Like, he was definitely a little irritated

that it got out. But I don't actually think AJ Brown and J. hurts have like literal personal beef i actually think him do i know best friends but yeah i think he's just a diva i mean yeah for sure he's better or worse he's elite wide receiver that's what happens i mean he's with the league neighbors uh is next up yeah let's get syriani out of there and kellen more out of there and ben j johnson in and now we're talking no i i i like it i do like i still like a j brown i don't know how in the one league we're in together i traded away a j brown and all of a sudden

i ended up in the in the buy week i mean the rest of that league you guys suck if you're listening. Shout out. Shout out. All you need to do is just switch the locker room up a little bit. And take that, Ryan. Shout out to you guys. Let's move forward to our player highlight.

This is a buck player. Last week, it was a big day for the buck brand with the running backs and then Jordan Addison going off. I'm willing to say I referred to him as a Dotson type player, but I have had this feeling that he is having the exact same kind of year as he did in his rookie year. And we're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about where he was drafted last year,

coming into the year, and where we expect him to go with a lackluster, if you would receiver class so far and where I kind of draw the line with him in terms of rookie wide receiver. So let's talk about your boy Jordan Addison, wide receiver 20 last year according to Dynasty Data Lab.

That is from April through August. I believe, if I got that correct, May through August, wide receiver 20, fifth round pick, kind of insane in 2023, where he was going. If you were to look

at 2024 in where he was at around the same time. He didn't really suffer a massive change in the wide receiver 27. That was only around different in the same time the last year. So he dipped a little bit 20 to 27. Don't really know what people were expecting. Of course, it's Justin Jefferson ahead of him. Like, I don't really know the reason. Maybe it was the rookie quarterback thing.

Not too sure. Debo Samuel and Xavier Worthy. went before him, which lull tanked L. That sucks for me. But let's talk about Addison. Rookie year numbers, buck, a 12.6, a.8, a 25, 27.5 air yard share, a 16.8 target share, 19% targets per route run. His yards per route run weren't that right homeable, if you would.

19.5 first read. This is the big one. 13 fantasy points per game. 12 expected. he kind of went nuts at the end of the year with some truly insane catches. I believe two of his catches had a 3% catch probability and they ended up being touchdowns.

Kind of insane. I believe it was Nick Mullins chucking him the football for Minnesota at the time. Didn't really get on the field a lot when Hawkinson and Jetta were on the field the same time until like the very end of the year. It's a very weird rookie year for Addison, but you were all in.

And then you look at 2024, and it's a lot of the same thing. His A dot is up to 14.7. His air yard share is up to 32.2. His targets per game this year is 5.9. Keep in mind he had the ankle thing kind of earlier in the year. The target share numbers

up a little bit, kind of hovering around the same thing. The targets per route run went to 21 from 19. But the yards per route run is all the way up to 2.25. We obviously love that. And the first retarget share is there. Here's my problem with, Jordan Addison.

Is he's exactly where he was last year and expected fantasy points for game at 11.9? That's with multiple blow-up games. That's kind of inflating that 15 point per game. So Buck, you are the Addison Whisperer. Where are you at? Are you at the exact same? Are you feeling better to me?

Exact same player would draft them in the, I would have them in the exact same spot right around wide receiver 20 to wide receiver. like 22 to me because he's done the exact same thing maybe a little higher after you try to convince me here but i don't love the points per game to expected fantasy points for game he's still kind of feels like a touchdown merchant yeah so i agree i would have him the same range like wider surer 20 to 24 so back end dynasty wider sewer 2 i don't really think his like ceiling as a dynasty asset is like above

wider receiver 15 to be honest i know he was actually with the wider server 12 in dynasty like in his third week of last season i remember because i traded him at that value but i i mean i like him i think he's a really good player and as far as a touchdown thing his expected points are obviously going to be lower because he's a touchdown merchant but some of the touchdowns you can really explain to how he gets so many touchdowns he gets single coverage a lot and donald is looking for the single coverage a lot and they have kind of made it a plan where they've now condensed the the target share between the two receivers and Hawkinson, they only, they literally only throw it to the two receivers. There's no Jalen Naylor stuff. There's no, I know K. Jawsburn's gone, but there's

no, like, weird third receiver. That's dead now. They throw it to the two receivers, and most of the time, Jefferson's getting double coverage, and they force it to Addison's way, and they, like, they are really good at that, and they actually found something, it seems with Donald and in Addison. So I like him. I don't want to go too crazy on it. Like, I don't, I could, like, I probably honestly think he's probably more of a sell than a buy. Interesting. Especially off this, especially off this, um, off this game. And why receiver 2's like truly, like they don't matter? Or receiver 2s don't matter. They don't. Why do you're 20 to 24? They're cool to look at. Like, it's cool to have 22 year old Addis on your team, but in the grand

scene, they don't matter. Like, that's where I want to trade for like a good running back or something. you know, a different position because I can get, I can even get like a Terry McCorn for a second of and Mike Evans for a second to replace this. So I like Addison, but I don't want to have to pay up if I have to pay up. He's on, I'm pretty sure he's still 22 years old because he was a younger prospect. So, so he's going to be a tough player to buy because I just, people are going to really hold off the age. And his quarterback situation in the future is, is murky. We don't know what's going to happen. If it's going to be Jijian McCarthy, which is a rookie, will be a rookie season quarterback. So it's tough.

I like Addison, happy to see him doing well. I do think you can explain some of the expected fantasy point stuff, though. And he's probably going to, like, I'm not going to compare him to Devante Adams or anything. Like, don't hear what I'm not saying. Some players are better at scoring touchdowns than others, though. And he's done it for two years in a row, and maybe he's just a touchdown guy. There's players not named Devante Adams that just, you know, score eight and nine touchdowns every single season. So maybe he's just a guy that scores touchdowns, especially when it's a lot easier to score touchdowns

when you're getting the second worst corner, the second best corner on the team, and they move you around, and you have one of the best head coaches. You're just constantly facing single coverage. Like, all he needs to do is be a man-beater. That's it. And they're going to find them.

And the peripheral stuff is just, it's really good. Like the 1.60 yards were outrun last year was like, what kind of drew the, the Dotson comp? And you weren't the only one to make that comp. Like, Dodson was worse for sure than that.

But it was a comp that made sense on like the baseline. But now he's over to, he's damn near a 20% target share with two elite target earners, Hawkinson of Tide-end and Jefferson, like the ultimate target earner. He's almost had 20%. And then 2.25 yards for outrun. I'm sure it is, you know, a little moved up because of that game. You just had, like, I'm sure probably closer to like, you know, 192 than 2-25. But, man, that's really good.

So happy to see if Addison. I think Addison is a guy that could have a legitimate, like year three breakout. He put himself in that, you know, in that conversation where like we talked about in the offseason where I was like, I like draft and Addison the sixth round, because I think he'll kind of live there for a couple years. And I think at least he paid off on that. He didn't gain you value much, but I don't think he's going to be past, you know, the six 10 in a startup. So he's just going to be, it's living the sixth round with a lot of upside. The dude's 22 and has a real chance to break out in year three. So I'm happy to see him do good, but also

would sell if people want to value him closer into the wide receiver, like into the teams. Yeah, we're going to look at trades for him. I think you hit it pretty well. I think there's a better chance that he regresses than progresses in terms of his data. But KOC, man, if Darnold has showed us anything, it's that J.G. McCarthy should still ball when he gets the job. Should he get the job? I mean, heaven forbid, Darnold gets a massive run here in the playoffs like we talked about before we hit record. And next thing you know, now we're talking about bringing Donald back and everything.

not fun stuff really when you look at it not fun stuff in that regard it would it would muddy things if you would but i think i'm gonna be more inclined to click the button come draft start up then click the send in a trade i think that's kind of where i'm at because here are some receivers i think he could pass in adepi p coming up debo samuel you go before him worthy addison would go before him i would take addison over p Pickens. I take Addison over Dell. These are all players that Addison went after, by the way. You're Addison. You're Addison over Pickens, for sure. I think I'm Addison over Pickens. See, I don't... I'm the biggest, I'm the biggest anti-Pickens

guy on the website, I think. And I think, I mean, I think I'm also anti-Piggins. You know, we had the conversation last week with the JT thing. I want and I'm super pro-Adison. I think I'd prefer Pickens, though. I just think he has more of a, like, he has more of an alpha skill set.

that and more. He's not an alpha something or rather already. Yeah, he's definitely NFL young boy. But the chance of like an offense kind of being built around him, which it is for better or for worse right now, it's better than, it's a better chance than Addison who's probably going to be ancillary piece. Now it doesn't always matter.

We talk about with T. Higgins, right? It's like it doesn't matter if you're the wider zero two, if you're getting all the stats of whyrissure 1 gets. But Addison doesn't really. He has blowup games and it does. They both have blow up games. They're both touchdown. merchants. I think I think Pickens is a lot like he he gets a lot more consistent targets and I think

he just straight up a better player. So I would take Pickens and it's funny like you say I don't even think you're like wrong or anything. But Pickens has this like weird dynasty value that he's like, I mean, they're probably three rounds apart in a startup which is incorrect. But he has like, you know, we talked about him. I got laughed at because I'd rather have Jonathan Taylor. Well, not laughed at. But yeah, I'm definitely out on. Taylor which by the way I did matchup points tonight which a lot harder job I got to tell you hosting that show when it is a full slate of games shout out john Hanson there's a reason he's a legend I had a hard time catching up with those guys but hopefully I I did enough to not get

fired rough week for him this week by the way rough matchup so pray he scores mind you I yeah I think I would take out of son over pickings I think I would but maybe that's just my bias. They're probably going to get drafted right beside each other. And then you get into like the DK Metcalfs and I think I would rather have Addison over DK. I think I would. See, I think they have the same upside

on a week to week basis. I've talked about the JSN thing before. I think I think legitimately JSN is now in a spot to be legitimately annoying to DK. So I'm going to, I'm probably going to be dropping

DK quite a bit, but like Addison over Devontas Smith Addison over Michael Pitman I prefer Smithy Probably over Probably over Waddle to me But there's There's room for him to move up

I don't think you're going to have to Is the other thing I don't think you're going to have to take him over A lot of those guys Just a personal thing that I can see Myself running into and keep in mind We're recording this during the Thursday night game I sat Garando and apparently

He's the only one on this offense capable of doing anything. So shout out to me for not playing Garendo. Thanks. But I wasn't trusting this Shanahan shenanigans. That being said, let's talk about trades for Addison right now. We've got a day ago.

We've got Addison straight up for Rishi Rice. Yeah, that's the time. I'll take rice. I will easily take rice. We have Addison or Chris Olave and a 251. Oh, easy. That's easy on Alava in a 1.

I want to like hate on Olave a little. I was just talking about how like I want to be out on him next year. I was in, I was drafting him in the second round and redraft again. Like how did I do it again? And I might just have to buy a lobby. If we're sending, we're adding ones to Addison on a lobby.

Like that's pretty crazy. Alabe is a pretty massive buy. Yeah, that's not close to me. Agreed. We have from two days ago, Jordan Addison and a 25 second or step on digs and a 25 first. We're going to assume, we're going to assume mid to late.

the delay i'll take addison and the two i would i would easily take addison the two like that's like luther burden yeah i was just thinking about how how big i was like the addison to digs gap is huge actually so yeah i would take it it's massive i i don't want them at all to put it lightly i'll throw a second i dig someone's that man yeah you would you're gonna no buck don't because you're gonna be like man why can i get one of these fat ass running backs because you don't have any seconds we go over this every year now stop trading your seconds away for wide receivers and damn a couple more here got jaden reed or juan jennings and jordan addison this is a tough one because i know the markets definitely read marries like

reads bad well not definitely jaden reid has lost a lot of market value i think he is hovering around wide receiver 23 last time i checked could be wrong yeah i want honestly just just just give me out Like Addison's next to, Addison's next to Jefferson and gain in like earning targets and having good games. Everyone talks about, oh, there's so many mouths to feed in Green Bay. They all suck, though. Like if he can't beat out these, like that's like the whole old like fake Giants thing. Like when the Giants has Sterling Shepherd and whoever's like so many mouse to feed there. All the mouths are awful though.

If he can't beat out, though, it's like just a lot of names. Christian Watson bad. Romeo Dobbs, not a target under bad. he can't even fully get on the field and he can't beat these dudes out. I'll take Addison. Like I know, and Jaden Reed is, I know he complained this week,

so he'll probably go for 7 and 1.30 and people will be on my mentions and tell me I'm asked. But yeah, I'm kind of, I'm pretty out on Reed. Yeah, I think it's fair. A good player up and down weeks, but kind of describing Addison there as well, a little bit.

So taking the plus with that, I think is a fair course of action. I don't think I have any. The lows are a lot lower read, though. They feel that way. we have one more I want to do one more I want to do one more we've got Jordan Addison or Brandon I you can a third

Addison I'll take the player all his limbs Yes I'm feeling the same way All those are via Dynasty Daddy of course Shout out to them Always providing us a An opportunity to talk some live Valdebo You are struggling dude as you drop a

What would be 30 to 40 yard Gain wide open by the way he's he's honestly he's awful drop drop not a little drop that is a big drop can we please focus on jennings so i'm trying not to get distracted by the game here but i i need jennings and they're trying to make debo happen and not kick returner debo yeah kick returner debo is dropping balls again unbelievable he got community noted on his tweet truly truly one of the funniest things of the year yeah and he deleted it it's like of course you did. I would too.

Probably the only good thing AI is provided. I'll say that. Let's take a quick break and we come back with one more player, two more players we want to talk. Three more players that I want to talk about before we dive into a couple of trades being made.

Sit tight with that. All right. I want to get this one out of the way. We can do this one real quick. Aaron Jones. Is he worth a playoff second? Yeah, I guess. I have Is he worth a 26 second?

No That's a fair line to draw Yeah I would throw a playoff second Because I would throw a playoff second For a lot of players He's like your RB1 at a playoff too Oh man he would Shit if I had Aaron Jones

That would be decent But he's Classic Let's look at some trades for him We got a lot of We just answered the 252 for Aaron Jones. We answer the 26. We take the 26, too.

But that's kind of his price. See a 26 first for Aaron Jones and a 253rd. I think you're out of your mind and you need to have the ability to trade revoked. That's insane. We've got Aaron Jones

for Chris Godwin and a 254th. I'll say Godwin. On a playoff team, I understand taking Jones. we have Andy Buckler's firstborn son Kendra Miller and a 25 third or Aaron Jones

Did you see that Kendra run last week? That boy is a beast Oh I can't wait for a 2025 Kendra he's a monster I'll take Aaron Jones I can wait I'll definitely wait We have Cooper Cup and Aaron Jones for a 261

I want the first, but that's, I mean, it's kind of tough in the playoffs, but it's a 26 one. I think you just have to take. Yeah, I agree. I could see not wanting to do that, though. I mean, Cup is a really good. Here we go. But I can see it. Here we go.

The man. The man we got a first for a shout out. Braylon Allen or Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones. Braylon is awful. I know people did the whole thing with Braylon in the beginning of the season. Like, man, how did he fall to the fourth round in real life and rookie drafts? And, like, the Jets have the best running back in football.

They might also have the sixth best running back in football. He's been truly a terrible player. And he's not even, like, he was like the whole, like, he was my, supposed to be my zero R.B. King. Brice finally broke his shit. I finally got to put Ray Long in the lineup. And he lost his world with some dude named Isaiah Davis. I get out of here. You didn't even get 10 points.

That dude scored a touchdown. It looked good. I didn't know what that is. Oh, you got to be tuned in the dynasty points more often, Buck. We would have told you who that was. I actually do know that is because he was in a couple of lineups.

I'm not going to lie to you. Yeah, I bet he was. I bet he was with those third rounders that you couldn't trade away for some bum-ass wide receiver. You got to be diving deep with the running back. So that's Aaron Jones. He has a good environment this week. But I don't think I don't think I can pull the trigger,

even on a contending team that my RB2. is McCormick. I don't think I can pull the trigger. You're rich. That's your RB2. We're not all sick, degenerate running back haters, Buck.

You are. McCormick and RV2 sounds good as well. Yeah, Chance McCormick is my RV2 with Taylor in that. Chance McCormick, that's someone,

who did that? Chance McCormick is not, his name is sincere. That's the one. Yeah. Chance McCormick is somebody. Isn't that to do that place for the Astros?

No, that's Chaz McCormick. That's Chas. I'm going to look. Chase. Chase McCormick is somebody. McCormick. Who is this?

Who do I have on the brain? Yeah, Chaz. That is what I'm thinking of. It's C-H-A-S. I'm thinking about the Astros. I've been in a little bit of baseball mode with free agency and stuff. Chas McCormick. He's from the crib.

Shout out, Pennsylvania. From the crib. On the crib. Love that. So that's Aaron Jones. I would say, buyer beware if I had to if I had to say I would say buyer beware definitely let's talk about remandre stevenson because I was bought in a little bit this year I bought in paid I traded

up to get him in one league in the seventh round and thought I hit gold at the start of the year he looked like a like he's going to be legit you know high end rb2 borderlining on that rb one and since then not so good 21 points 17 points he had a 19 it back to back 20s but now it just kind of looks like he's settling in from anywhere between

you know 8 to 12 points now granted he's got two back to back matchups Arizona and Buffalo in week 15 and 16 post by obviously Arizona got absolutely beat up they got Detroit Lions if you would by Zach Charbonnet

so maybe he has a bounce back here opportunity to gain some value as the year goes on but I want to highlight this I got into one of the few Twitter fights of my career over Ramondre Stevenson and I was told that he would be Derek Henry and he's just that good no way he can miss etc and my whole argument with him is it comes from receptions his upside is going to be catching the football and that's kind of been true if you look at some of the numbers in his breakout year, 87 targets

he had a 16% target share he had 14.7 points per game on a 15.5 expected he ran 50% of the routes per dropback that is massive James White type shit for a running back

and I say James White Do the team compare? Yeah, it's fun. It's easy to do. That's why I'm going with it. It's been a long day of podcasting stuff, all right? Your boy's a little tired, but we're going to get through it. This year, however, it's down.

And I think some of that, right, early in the year, he was balling out. Little Jacoby Brissette, little Jacoby Brissette dumpoff scenario. There's still, if you are following CoachSpeak Index, talking about his fumbles. You know, ball security, really. going to work on ball security, you fumbled again against Indy. Crazy. Still talking about it. But the receptions not there this year in his quarterback and why this matter is going

into next year. It's the highest scramble rate. Top tier scramble rate if he's still not first. Pretty sure he's still first in the league. The checkdowns, the dump-offs, three targets, two targets, four targets, for receptions for 16 yards, one for three. He had the screen or the reception that scored five or 38 in a touchdown against Tennessee, and then it's three, two, seven yards, three yards, 17 yards.

There's no receiving upside here, which puts him in the same bucket as 20 other running backs, volume dependent. Now we have to legitimately worry every time Antonio Gibson touches the football because it takes away from the workload dependent player that Ramandre has become. This is the offense. And this is a really bad draft class for offensive linemen,

as Brett Whitefield pointed out, on Dynasty points Tuesday night. Or maybe that was just to me in the DMs. Either way, not a good offensive line class, so sorry, New England. Offensive line is probably going to be asked next year too. I'm out. I'm not going to draft a single Ramandre probably

unless he hits 12 to 10th round eligibility, if you would, in startups. Certainly not trading for him. The upside comes with receptions. That's now been proven. We have, well, this is his fourth year. We have three years of date on that for him. I'm out. Even though rushing hasn't been as good.

3.3% touchdown rate. 19.7% of his yards have come from Explore. plays, but he only has a 3.3 explosive run percentage. So it's not good. He does have the inside the five roll, 84.6% from inside the five. That's pretty good. Only has a 41.1% rush share, 13 fancy points per game on a 15 and a half expected. The upside is just not there.

Yeah. I agree. I don't say I'm fully out because I would definitely send my second for him. And I'm definitely drafting him if it hits the ninth round. Like, he would look decent in my every one spot. But I think he's just a new Naji now. Like, he's, he's Rinaji. He's the new Naji now with a little bit more pass catching upside.

I worry that they draft somebody early because I don't know what the Gibson. I think the Gibson deal actually was some stupid shit. I think it was like multiple seasons. But I think Rommage is probably a good bet next year to be the lead back on the Patriots on should be improved offense. if he's going to fall like super far like he did in the last off season like i won't lie like i'll be in if he's in the rb 30s like yeah i'll be drafting him and be acquiring him because i can use that so i wouldn't say i'm out but i'm also not out if the cost is going to represent what it did because

even if you bought him in the off season before he had that spike before he got his deal like he was a 12th round pick 11th round pick i got him in the 11th round you're happy with that that's like that that's that's a smash pick in the 11th round where people were drafting you know I wanted to say Judy but that looks good now but play the players like that yeah so I'm I'm in and out I could definitely acquire him

if people want to sell it at the more yeah I don't think I can do it but let's talk about the price because he has been bad bad enough to acquire sure enough it looks like you're right two days ago 27 second that's crazy for Ramandre Stevenson

give me Ramandre I'll get the second back. Yeah, trade like that. I mean, a 27 second you can get back. You got two years to get that back. If Mondre is your playoff push, I mean, that kind of feels like a no-brainer. You've already said the mid to late second you're sending away for Ramondre, so we don't even have to ask

that. You've got stuff like Ramondre or James Winston. Yeah, like, that's ridiculous. Like, that's a free remandre. I understand if your quarterbacks are just dead and you need it. Then you lost. You lost. Just... I mean, James won't throw the ball 45 times.

He can definitely get you there. He's going to have negative two points in the championship. He doesn't throw four picks. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Remandre is going to get you eight and you lose anyway.

I mean, if Andre gets me eight, I'm not so sure I'll be losing. Yeah. In the super flex, you lose, bro. I'm sorry.

You can tell me all you want about how if you could just get eight points from a running back, not from your super flex. You lose. You lose. You can. You can put as much makeup on that pig as you want. You ain't marrying it.

So that's a weird reference. I know I went there, but there you go. I'm in a weird mood today because I've done so much podcasting. We've got a mid to late 251 or Ramandre in a third. No shot. No ones. No ones. I like that.

James Cook or Ramondre. James Cook. Look, I understand people want me to be more clear when I say or. I get it. I hear you. I'm trying to do better. James Cook or Ramandre Stevenson, a 25-2 and a 26-third. Jim Cook.

Jim Cook, I think I'm inclined to take Stevenson and the two. I think they can both get you 12 points. But I'll take the free two, and then I'll send that two for another running back. That's just how I would look at it. We've got stuff like Matthew Stafford or Stevenson. Remandre, but again, I would feel better if I'm looking for a quarterback to stand for Stafford because I at least think he'll be a starter if he's not retired. So I can see that one.

That's fair. That's fair. I don't think James is a starter. We've got a mid to late 25-1 for Chuba and Stevenson. 25. I'll take the runnerbacks. Yeah, I think I'm inclined to agree. So that's kind of the price on Stevenson.

If you were to look at his ADP from May to August 31st, my voice is starting to crack now. I am so sorry, everybody, trying to keep it together as we get through here. He was in the eighth round. Oh my God. One pick before the goat, Bo Nix at RB20. Shout out Bo Nix. My hero. My savior. My savant, if you would.

Your goat. My goat. Mr. Millie Maker himself. But you look at how many running backs are coming into the draft, into the draft potentially. You obviously got Gentie. You've got Caleb Johnson, Amario Hampton. Nick Singleton, Quinn, Quinn Sean Judkins, Trevion Anderson, Dylan's Sampson.

Like, I don't want to talk to Samson. I can see myself passing on Ramandre Stevenson or some of these rookies. It's going to get real ugly for him, I think, if this usage continues, not the usage, but if this production continues. It's going to look real ugly for him. So he's probably, again, he's cheap now, I guess,

And he's cheaper. I think he's going to be cheaper in startups. One thing on one quick thing on the running back class coming in, there is a running back in this class who has a nickname, Batman, and he's a running back, Ketron Allen. I think that is my goat. An actual fat-ass running back. His nickname is Fatman, and he likes to be called that.

That's a real thing. He goes to Penn State. You can look it up with being this draft, Ketron Allen. He probably gets a day two capital. Might be my new king. The poster top of fat-ass running bags. I think I'm going to finally make you your banner. And it's just going to be you sitting next to him.

It's going to be you to in lockstep with one another. 100%. 100% roster ship of Alan from you is what I expect. I expect nothing less. Don't let the people down. I agree. I just think the upside is gone. The upside is gone.

He's just going to be a low-end RB2. I think for me forever. Or at least from now on. One more player to talk about. We're going to try to keep this relatively short. We may not get to players recently traded. We're going to try to keep this at an hour. So again, sorry, a little weird week this week for us.

Insanely busy. I was insanely busy, but we're, you know, doing our best to give you good, hard-hitting content here. Let's talk about, yeah, you know what? actually we're going to take our take our last break we're going to take our last break and when we come back we're going to talk Brian Thomas Jr.

And see what else we have cooked up for you guys. Sit tight. Okay. So as mentioned at the top, School of Scott talked about Brian Thomas Jr. Scott mentioned that I might yell at him if he said Brian Thomas Jr. was a buy low.

I actually think there's an opportunity to buy. I don't think it's low, but I think it's low for what I'm, I think he should cost if that makes sense. Obviously, top 10 wide receiver for us in Dynasty overall is A.13.1. That's very nice. Damner, 30% air yard share, 6.4 targets per game, a 20.4% target share. It's not on there.

I know you're putting it in there now, but classic buck typing almost crossed me up for a minute, but I was ready. 23% target per route run, 2.38 yards per route run. phenomenal waiting for you to add that one 34.3% first down share 14 fantasy points per game 12 expected obviously we are robbed of a truly huge rookie season with Trevor Lawrence even though we've made jokes about how bad we think Trevor Lawrence is mac Jones is worse very much so worse but again we're looking at a draft class that has like outside a Travis Hunter and

Tet McMillan or Tet Macmillan, if you would. We've got Luther, Baird, Isaiah Bond, Xavier Restrepo, like, Troy Harris, Igbuka, I'll take BTJ as of right now.

I'll take Brian Thomas Jr. Because his, man, he was just on fire, on fire, doing things that you don't normally see out of a rookie wide receiver, and we've been blessed with some really good ones. over the last couple of years but he's damn good i think he's that dude definitely easily sending a mid to late too gonna have to send more than one and i'm gonna be happy to do so you mean first

you said yeah yeah yeah i do mean first i do mean first that's what i mean my my brain we're i'm all over the place a little bit but let's talk about some of the prices because obviously we're both buying i don't think there's anything to add on how good he is side i think those who know know that he's that good. You look at some of the quotes from the coaching staff, and they're very much aware that they need to get him the ball a heck of a lot earlier. You have here from Press Taylor,

Doug Peterson telling Taylor in the second half of week 14 that they need to get the ball to Brian Thomas Jr. They need to get him involved. The plan is to start with getting him the ball to your... There's a O.C. you call the plays. I know that's why I said Doug Peterson was telling Press Taylor

but they needed to do a better job of getting him going early in the game. Obviously you want to start your offensive game plans with getting him the ball. Why is that he said, quote, it's on us. I don't know. It says it's on us to continue to find ways to feed him opportunities to affect the game. He wants the ball, but he's

but he's not throwing a fit. He's awesome. He's being a pro through and through. So there you go. They know they need to get him the ball. He's been asking for the ball. You just wouldn't know it. He's not Zay flowering on the sidelines when he doesn't get it. So you love to see that at least.

Like to me, that's a plus. That's a plus for me the same way you said that a titan that doesn't wear gloves has no swag and you don't want to draft them. To me, not being a problem in the locker room adds that same level of swag to me in terms of being a pro. So we love Brian Thomas, with that being said, let's talk some trades for him. Because I want to go and buy, and I don't think aside from one really egregious one on here, maybe two,

courtesy of Dynasty Daddy, I think I'm doing every single one of these without hesitation damn near. Let's go, Brian Thomas. Remember, these are all Superflex, 12 teams, start 10, full PPR, half point 10 in premium. Didn't say that at a top, that's on me, my bad. Brian Thomas Jr. or D.K. Metcalfe and Michael Pittman.

That's easy. I do want to say I want my wide receivers to be crashouts. I do not. Definitely do not. This one is tougher for me. Brian Thomas Jr. and Russell Wilson or Bo Nix. That's easy, BTJ for me. It's not easy for me.

Bo Nix is going to continue to be a 17 to 18 point per game quarterback. That's really hard to say no to. I think BTJ should be valued closer to Dynasty Writers Zero 1 than 10. I can't get there. I can't get there. Not yet. There's too many good wide receivers. This is,

like, this rookie season is so elite. It's, you just got, you got it, like, even if there's a little bit of a buying, you have,

like, you don't get, like, players like this. I agree with that. But, uh, closer to one to me,

it's like, I can't do that. Yeah, I'm easy. I would, I easily take him over, bone X. Yeah,

again, easily. I can't, you say that so confidently. And it makes me nervous now. I'm trying to, pull up where I have them. You would take them over A.J. Brown?

Yes. Nico? Yes. Really? I wouldn't take him over Nico. Neighbors? No. We talked Marvin. Easy. Drake London.

Yes. Rishie Rice. Yes. Okay. So yeah, you have met about Garrett Wilson. Yes. And I'm a Garrett Wilson guy. Puka. No. Amin Ra.

No. you have them at six yeah there you go interesting I couldn't do it over Nico I think Amon Ra is Amara is the close one I don't I don't hate it over Amon Ra I hate it I hate it I'm still taking Amin Ra

Amin Ra is just continuously kind of shit on but for no reason like the guy's just an upper tier wire receiver every single season I can't do it back to the trades even though I think we pretty much just said everything you need to know that just means we're taking and Brian Thomas

over all these guys. Really, really, at the end of the day, that's what we just did. But I think it still makes sense to go over some of these trades for people to kind of put some packages together to go and get them. We got Brian Thomas Jr.

Or Tua from 14 days ago. BTJ, very easily. I'm inclined to agree. Brian Thomas Jr. Looking, or Godwin and Rishi Rice. That's amazing money. 262 and a 25. first or Brian Thomas Jr.

Easy money. BTJ. Brian Thomas Jr. A 252 or James Cook and Chris Alave. Easy money again. Xavier. Xavier worthy, Brian Thomas Jr. or Devon A. Chan and a 253.

So it was worthless BTJ and what is the other piece? Or A Chan and a third? Just those two for Achan. Man, stuff. I take BTJ, I think. Damn, so you're all the way. I thought I was going to get you with that. Your brain stopped listening when you heard Xavier Worthy's name,

which I understand. It's like wide receiver 6 versus RB4. It's tough. I'll take BTJ, but that was a tough one. I don't care about worthless and... Disrespectful. Like, this is insane from two days ago. Worthless and Brian Thomas Jr.

At Dandrey Hopkins, Rashad White, and a third. that's that didn't kick kick that differently go check in on Brian Thomas Jr. talk a lot about oh another Debo drop talk about or we talk about I should say a lot about there's no such thing as like a by low it's not real it doesn't actually exist and all that well turns out there's a legit by low these are all bylaws to me yeah these are bylaws this is what a this is a by low the expectation of what we think he's going to be because I think he's a fourth round

pick next year. A fourth? In startups. Four, four, five. A four or five? Yeah.

He's going to be in the second round and he should be. I don't think he's in the second round. He should be in the same. We were rejecting Garrett Wilson in the second round. I don't think people view him the way that we do. If he's in the fifth round, please invite me to every startup, everybody, please spam him invites.

I understand. And this is why I say that. He was in the third when we draft it in week four. I get that. I totally get that. People remember, people 100% remember the end of a year. It stays in their mind. So if Brian Thomas Jr. continues to not put up, right?

He has been, though. He's been fine. Fine, but he hasn't been league breaking. Like, his first part of the year was, mind-blowing, right? It was absolutely mind-blowing. Now he's got, he been okay, he's scored, four catches for 76 yards.

He scored, which is nice. That's how we got to his 18 points against Houston. But we've got like six points, three points, 13. 16 is nice off volume versus Tennessee. But like they're not blow up. He's like he kind of was earlier. Yeah, he's, I strongly disagree. I don't think there's a shot.

He's out of the third round. I mean, I think he is and should be in the second round. I would, yeah, I mean, I would, I would bet. There's just, there's no way his ADPs pass to three five. Not past three five, eh? Yeah, that's, I mean, I don't know about like an instant startup, but as far as like, well, I'm looking at it now, actually. There's just, uh, as I'm looking at what was, who was picked,

Nico's moved up, Harrison's going to drop. AJ Brown should drop. Tyree Kill will drop. A lobby will drop. London should actually go up. Waddle should drop. Yeah, I could see it actually. 3.35.

Yeah. There's Taylor should drop. E.TN's way gone. God. Worst pick. Worst pick. God. And the incoming rookies suck.

Like, there's no quarterbacks. I think a couple quarterbacks can get gassed up, but not that level. I think they'll go third or shudder. Whoever's like the first couple, I think will get propped up. But you're right. You're right. I'll change, I'll concede. 3.5.

I think 3.5 is, I think it's there. So basically when we're saying a buy low, he is now a buy low to where we think he's going to be. He still looks expensive. And I would add on to a lot of these still to get him. If I had to. I would add on to go and get him. He is a must go and get player.

So I love it. I love it. We're buying BTJ. Buy him. Buy him now. We don't normally do the Twitter thing, but buy him. If these are the prices,

by. I would be throwing all of this stuff at him to go and get them. We got one here though from today. I kind of want to end the show with. Caleb Williams, Brian Thomas Jr. Tucker Kraft or Josh Allen and Gus Edwards. Caleb,

BTJ, what was the therapy? Craft. For Josh Allen. Did you stop calling Tucker Craft ass? My fault. I was hacked. I'm rebuilding. For Josh Allen, man. It's, man, this is so hard to trade to do like Josh Allen.

I'll take the package deal. Interesting. I think I would too. Yeah, it's like Josh Allen's like an almost like irreplaceable player. But I'll take the two rookies. There you go. I think that says enough. I think that says enough.

I think it's going to do it for the show today. We're going to keep it short. Have to keep it short. We'll be back next week. Maybe we'll do a little longer one next week. an absolute banger. Do another banger one next week. Shout out to all you guys.

You loved the episode with Mike. The download say so anyway. We didn't get, you know, hate comments. So shout out to you guys. We talked to Brett Whitefield possibly wants to be in on a Dynasty Points market report. Try to give a little bit of an X's and O's breakdown to some of these players to help us dive a little bit deeper.

That would be a lot of fun. Do you guys want that? Well, let us know in the comments. DM us. Tag me on Discord. Tag me on Discord. If you want a response, please tag me on Discord. I don't ignore people.

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Just tag me. I'm not going to see it if you don't tag me. I'm trying to do better. Yeah, bucks out here working a nine to five doing his best to provide as much content as we can. We got to, we got to shout them out. We got to tag them. And you can do that. That's going to wrap up week 15, dynasty points market report.

Hopefully you enjoyed. Hopefully we'll see you guys in week 16. With that being said, good luck in week 15. go and buy these guys if you can. Look, Dynasty Daddy, keep trade cut. Dynasty Cal say that you can. It gives me hope that you actually can. So get out there, start buying, start mixing it up.

With that being said, for Andy Buckler, I'm Thomas Tipple. This is Week 15, Dynasty Market Report. Remember that clear eyes and full hearts can never lose in your best days are always spent tilting. Good night, everybody. We will see you Tuesday night. or dynasty points.