Fantasy Football Daily - Chris Godwin + Mike Evans Injured + ELITE QB and TE Tiers | Dynasty Fantasy Football 2024

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Dynasty fantasy football doesn't have to be complicated; Fantasy Points has your dynasty needs to be covered with Dynasy Points actionable advice every week. Use promo code - SCOREMORE for 10% of your subscription Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ Listen to the podcast here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts Thinking About Thinking Substack - https://jakobsanderson.substack.com/p/lets-think-about-thinking Where to find us: http://twitter.com/DynastyPts http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/JakobSanderson http://twitter.com/RyanJ_Heath http://twitter.com/LGilbertFF FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts @BDGEFantasyFootball @BDGEDynastyFantasyFootball @fantasypros @FantasyFootballToday Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tuesday night. That means dynasty points. What a weekend. I mean, the Ravens, well, let's be honest, I can't even celebrate that win. We're pouring one out for Chris Godwin. My favorite player all offseason, single-handedly carrying many teams to the finish line, many first-place teams are about to be struck,

struck down from the number one placement. He is an irreplaceable player, so we have to shut out Chris Godwin. I will talk about it a little bit today before Market Report handles the rest of that heavy lifting tomorrow with Buck and myself. But, uh, poor one out.

We lost Mike Evans. We might lose D.K. The injuries to this season. Shout out to every RB drafter. You've won this year. I give up. Just a truly insane weekend of football once again. We got teams coming back off by like the Bears.

We're excited for that. So shout out to all of you guys for tuning in. you missed it earlier. We're doing TikTok Lives Daily now over at Fantasy Points. That's Fantasy PTS over on TikTok. I'll be doing those every day now. We just did that leading up to this show. So if you enjoy that kind of content,

you can head over there. If you haven't already and you're tuning in, hit the like and hit the subscribe. If you're not, hit over to the Dynasty Points podcast feed where you now get Dynasty Points and the Dynasty Market Report, which, by the way, came back to a thunderous applause being the most downloaded podcast on the network last week.

You guys cannot seem to get enough dynasty content. So we're going to keep bringing it to you for that tonight. We have Ryan Heath at Ryan J. Heath. We have Lucas Gilbert at L. Gilbert F. Jacob Sanderson is not here because he lied to us and said that he had to go to a work function dinner and is just live tweeting the Boston Celtics Home Open. and banner raising so you can't fool us, Mr. Lawyer. We're onto you.

So there you go. Shout out to everyone in the comments section already. We got Lamar QB1. You don't got to tell me twice, Brian. Joey Slosson says, what up, fellas? What up to you? We have a trade question here right away. We'll get to.

We'll do the first round of questions. If you're new to the show, we do like our first bit of content that we get into like a round. to questions and stuff. So we'll do that. Kyle, same thing. We will answer the questions in the next round here.

RAP and sorry for all of our losses. It's really bad contract here. That ankle looked like it was straight and detached from the rest of the leg. Truly gruesome stuff. Just really gross. Aside from that, we're doing tight ends and quarterbacks today,

folks. I'm excited for that. But as always, I feel like this show won't go three hours. So let's get first reactions from the weekend, Ryan. Yeah, it was quite the, uh, quite the weekend. I got to watch, uh, some exciting stuff from Drake May. Uh, that, that was pretty cool that I'd say, or some moments, obviously, not the, not the outcome of the entire game and everything that happened. But yeah, I've seen enough things from Drake May on tape to where I'm kind of in the saddle for Drake May now, uh, as a Patriots fan. So happy for that. Uh, other than that. Yeah, everyone got injured.

All the guys who were supposed to play, didn't play. Devo Samuel, Jordan Whittington. Yeah, just a lot of really crazy stuff in fantasy football this fast week. Yeah, truly, truly insane. There are some positives, which we'll talk about today. This isn't just going to be a sad

and depressing episode. But Lucas, what was your first kind of thoughts from this week? Tidens live. We had 16 tight-in scoring double-digit fantasy points, and that's amazing. We'll see how long they can kind of keep that up. I feel like we've known, though, for a while that they were eventually going to bounce back some.

Like, they couldn't be as historically bad as they were at least through those first three weeks. But they started to come back around, and only most of them needed some touchdowns to get to that point. Tyler Conklin, he's still alive. Tucker Kraft would have had a very meh, but had an amazing touchdown catch on a great pass. And Zacherts keeps puttering away.

Just like I forget who this hot take that was. It might have been yours, Ryan, or it might have been Jacobs about how Zacherts is going to just keep dominating. So, yeah, he's been keeping a lot of teams afloat, but tight ends are alive. Yeah, we're definitely obviously talking about tight ends today. but I'm really excited to get in to a few of them because unreal what some of these guys are doing. Zachers is just forever. He's inevitable. If I had to give a first reaction for the weekend, it feels like offense is back,

but it also feels like Jordan Love is Will Levis with a way better PR team. Like, hear me out. If you watch a full Jordan Love game, I'm sorry, but I'm left scratch. my head sometimes at some of the stuff he does he's running jumping sideways slinging blind throw looking yolo balling the football like it's hilarious obviously i'm i'm kidding and i'm being facetious here but watching what will levis does truly just reminds me of like a Pokemon right they evolve from from one step to the other i feel like jordan love is just like the max evolution of a Will Levis type,

a true legit gunslinger with a laser rocket arm that just thinks he can make any throw at any time in any scenario. One's just really good at it and one is memeable. So there you go. That's my joke for the day that Jordan Love is just the max evolved form of Will Levis.

Truly phenomenal what that dude provides us every week. He's a touchdown machine. Like he looks, even if you listen to guys like Brett White, field and Joe Marino talk about him on first read. It's the same, like, amazing what he can do and also what he gets away with. Truly, he's not the prettiest quarterback to watch, but he is a fantasy producer. I will say, though, another takeaway, we, we got to talk about the Green Bay Packers receiver room at the end of this tiers, like, series that we're doing.

Nobody's a target winner. Like, it is such a frustrating room, which means we're going to have to read. visit was Jaden Reed conversation with him being above Garrett and Drake London because this dude is he's just not a target earner. Farve is the legendary of that, I agree. So we're definitely going to have to talk about that again. But we're not talking wide receivers today, except for some injuries. We should talk about the unfortunateness.

We've now lost DK for a few weeks. Mike Evans isn't going on the IR, but let's be real. That's just so he doesn't have to miss the game after the. by he's going to miss four weeks uh iuk is done for not just this year and i'm genuinely concerned for him moving forward as a what he'll be what 28 by the time we see him again uh with a multi ligament injury this is a very serious knee injury it wasn't just like an mcel tear this is like a givante level multiple ligament from what i understand and then obviously godwin we lose godwin who will never be the same dislocated ankles are nothing the

with and there's ligament damage in there too according to our own edwin porous so let's talk about these wide receivers man first things first are you buying any because the immediate response from people is we'll go by low now like you can you can buy these guys are are you i don't know if i am so i'll start with ryan yeah i don't know i get so with i yuk i think you can if you're in a situation with your roster because yes while I would not have much I would not have much hope for 2025 and what he gives you there anything he gives you in 2025 I would want to pay a price where that's kind of gravy on top right but I mean he's locked into a long-term contract which good for him by the way that he got that before the season this is why guys hold out I saw

Sam Sherman getting a lot of a lot of pushback on Twitter for saying that today. But he's completely right. No, it is good for him. Yeah, completely right. So, yeah, I think if you're in a multi-year rebuild, maybe I'm interested in Iyuk. Godwin, I don't think so, man. Like you can argue maybe that he's not the type of receiver that needs to win with like the short area quickness. I would disagree.

I think he is. and that that's kind of his whole thing. Yeah, I don't know what Chris Godwin's going to look like post this. Yeah, I try not to buy guys in Dynasty where I watch the injury on my screen, and I let out an audible gas, which is what I did. So, yeah, I don't think I have interest in either of them, really. I have interest in some of the other pieces on these teams, potentially, that we can get into. but I'll let Lucas go with the primary topics of discussion first.

And also, Thomas, we have our, we have our Kiron switched. I'm Thomas Dipple tonight. What? What do you mean? Do you not see that? Your name is below my face. I ain't seeing that anywhere. So you might be, I'm seeing how simple with my ugly mouth of it right now.

So. I feel like I'd be a gaslet. I feel like I'd be a gaslit. Hang on. Lucas, am I crazy? No, like,

okay, I haven't YouTube pulled up. Nope, Ryan Heath's under Ryan Heath. I have it. Right. I think you're just watching. Is this like a Rick and Morty

alternate dimension TV viewing episode? Because we're just in like a different world. That means you have to say outlandish shit to make people angry. Now, Ryan, if that is truly the case chat. Let us. I thought,

I thought you were doing like a, when you were talking about Jordan Love is Will Levis with better PR. I thought that was like a bit where it's something I would say. Like I thought that was your angle there. It was like, oh, I'm going to make people think Ryan Heath has this take. This will totally own him. But yeah, I just sent you guys a screen grab in the group chat. So, yeah, I'm not listening. I'm not making this up.

Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that dude. I know. Definitely not what's on the screen. that's very weird very weird uh yeah why are you like mirrored what is this this i think that's a you think you have mirrored on for your camera i bet you that's what it is uh my camera that wouldn't you change i don't know i don't know i have no idea makes sense i have no idea okay no idea lucas what are you doing with i i mean i i am like looking to buy him especially on a rebuilding team get those points that aren't going to be scored on my roster so they're not hurting me

as I am tanking for some top picks here but I do think that if anyone's going to come back like if we're just strictly talking to the long-term injuries here with Chris Godwin and Brandon Iook if either one of them's going to come back as going to be Iyuk I do want people who are tied to the San Francisco offense and let's just say that San Francisco finds some way to move on say that they're willing to eat that much dead cap. And, you know, I kind of still want him because I think that whoever would eventually pick him up would be picking him up with the goal of making him an alpha. If you have to wait two years, you know, I think that the price that you're going to be

paying to acquire him is going to be a price where you don't mind waiting two years for that kind of value. I haven't seen any trades with him going right now. But if I'm sending out like a 2026, or 2020, second for him. Yeah, that one's, that was super easy all day. I don't think you're doing that. I think we're going to have to wait a long time.

I like, he'll never hit that point because of the people are holding them or thinking the same thing. Which is why I'm not buying. He's 26 years old now. He'll be 27 at the start of next year. He just tore, and I mean really tore his knee up week seven. And he didn't, he wasn't producing really before that. And granted, there are some reasons we can give him leeway. his upside has always kind of been capped because of volume on this offense.

So his value was already like hovering in that fifth, sixth round. And people are not going to be giving away for free. You're going to have to give away actual assets to go in acquire them at this point. Really, people aren't taking, at least what I predict when I say people aren't. This is what I'm predicting. I'm not predicting people are giving up significant value loss just to offload this receiver who just signed his contract.

and is attached to the San Francisco offense, we may not see fully healthy Brandon Ayyuk for two years. We may not see it till like 28. The NFL changes a lot in two years. Teams change, coaches change. You're telling me that if Shanaham is bad, like San Francisco legitimately on the outside looking in in a very good NFC,

they missed the playoffs this year. Next year, if they're not the same teams, they'll let Debo go, which I think they should let Debo go. what happens if they struggle again? What's his leash? I don't know. I have no idea.

Then you get party. You got to pay them. Now the team is different. The offensive line is different. Now you get IU coming back. I'm not buying right now because the price is still going to be too expensive. Even on a rebuild. And at week seven in the season,

do you still have a Terry McLaren on your roster? I don't think so. You've probably moved off him after his big blowup games. If you're a rebuilder, why are you keeping that on your team? I will say that there's a team that I was three and three heading into this week. I offered Terry McLaren. I think J.K. Dobbins for Brandon Ayuk and Jatavian Sanders and was instant smash declined.

I've been seeing Terry McLaurin go for mid to late firsts. I don't know if I want to pay more than that right now to go on to get Iyuk, considering he costs you a first and a second to acquire pre-injury. His price isn't going down right now. His price might go down in four to five months from now, but you're going to have to give up something significant enough to go and get him, and I'm not willing to do that. does that make sense?

Hopefully that makes sense. I think it makes sense in my head, but it made sense to me when I was thinking about it. Someone has said, good for Iy, but haven't seen anyone mention what a disaster

the contract is for the 49ers. I spent a first round picking one receiver, paid up for Ayuk, who has not been great when healthy and now is out. He was great. Like, let's not, he was not producing this year,

but he was great. The last two years, over 1,000 yards, and each year was a top 15 producer and fantasy and was regarded as a top wide receiver. It's going to end up looking like a disaster contract now, but I mean, you still pay up for this guy for sure. Any other team would as well, but it just, uh, just insane.

Yeah, and Revoltz is Trent, Kittle, Debo, CMC, all gone in two years. Yeah, definitely sucks. Yeah, but we're also saying like CD Lamb is underperformed too, and we're not saying that contracts the disaster. Chase also underperforming aside from one game against the Ravens. Thanks for that, by the way. We're not calling that contract a disaster. It's just guys that have held out through the entire off season and get off to slow starts.

I think that's more what it is. Yeah, I'm not paying for IUK. I'm definitely not paying for Godwin. No Rebuilder. Don't go on by Godwin unless it's for nothing. You've got to be giving up. I wouldn't move Christian Kirk for him. You know what I mean?

Like, it's going to be a long road. Um, to recovery. All right. That's it. I think that's it. We're going to, we have so much to get to. I'd love to keep talking about these wide receivers, but before you move on really quick, are we buying Jalen McMillan? Like obviously his price just went up.

Too late. But even at his new price, are we buying? What are you willing to pay for him? Two seconds plus. Is he going to be going for two seconds? He was already, he was already going for a second. And from my experience. now it's going to be two seconds plus

what you have to you're already going to have to pay a lot for him like 67% of his rookie snaps came from the slot at Washington he already had run uh one route less than godwin in the first two weeks of the season before macmillan got hurt even in week seven he he saw eight targets one less than godwin that one was that last target for chris godwin at the end of the game that he shouldn't even been in on. He's already getting on the field and now his spot has been opened up. And he's a rookie. You're going to talk about in Dynasty, that kind of player. This is one of those scenarios where why would a team that had him moves this guy now that he finally gets the

opportunity to produce in a top offense? Are you, now, this is the other half of that question. He hasn't done it yet. But if he becomes the next star like back end wide receiver, yeah, you want to buy in and you want to pay for it because Godwin, not going to be there. next year maybe he is that guy i don't know but it comes down to what are you actually willing to pay for him without seeing it if you buy in early and he still sucks now you're now you're hitting the loss so what are you i'll legitimately ask what are you willing to pay for him i mean two seconds does make sense i think that that's the

line and that's why i would be offering to see if anybody would buy on it uh it'd be really tough to you know pay up a first for jaylin mcmillan especially with him going in the third which i think We were all saying it's going to be a screaming value even. Yeah, we were smash picking. Yeah. So there's not too many where I'm missing him, but I am probably offering two seconds. And yeah, it really is hard to come off that, right?

I don't think anyone's selling him for two seconds is the problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's that. Yeah. If I have McMillan and you're willing to throw a first my way, maybe then we'll talk, right? Like that, that's where it's kind of right in my face of like, okay. It feels irresponsible not to take the first, regardless of how good you feel like the fit is here, where McMillan, so I had the tweet out today, top six wide receivers in terms of horizontally breaking routes, both Godwin and McMillan are in the top six.

Yeah, he's very clearly is a logical guy to just step into that role. Is he going to produce like Chris Godwin immediately? I would be skeptical. So yeah, that's why I'd take the first. because I do think there's optimism about that right now in the community that's maybe a little bit oversold. I will also say there's a chance that Cooper Cup comes into this situation, right? That was the trade rumor out today that the Rams are aggressively trying to sell Cooper Cup, which was odd. I don't know.

That was a little surprising to me just the way that that report was worded. I feel like you don't often get like, hey, link to the media. We're trying to, we're sellers right now. I have a conspiracy theory. That seems a little odd, right? But if we take that at face value, then, yeah, very obviously the Cooper Cup in the Chris Godwin, formerly the Cooper Cup role in Liam Cohen's offense also makes a lot of sense. So, yeah, I'm certainly not going out and paying a first for Jalen Mick Millen right now,

and I'd be happy to take one in return. But yeah, I kind of like Tom says, I don't know that that's going to be a very liquid market. in your dynasty league right now. I don't know who is, yeah, short of it being a first overpay very clearly. I don't know who's motivated to sell. Yeah, I agree. I definitely agree with that.

You're probably just holding, unless your team is so down bad and devoid of talent where you've like done the type of rebuilding that I hate and it's you've just stripped everything for picks and now you're just reshelling out who's on your taxi for more picks because you want to, ever rebuild for seven years. It is like the worst form of rebuilding possible.

And yeah, maybe you're the person selling. But for the most part, people just aren't encouraged to do so. I have a conspiracy theory talking about trades today. I think Minnesota and L.A. already have a trade in place for Donald and Stafford. But they're waiting until after Thursday so Stafford can't play against them. That's my conspiracy theory for the weekend. Like, when I heard that the Vikings are in play for, for Stafford, which makes a ton of sense, considering Darnold's already started to kind of go back

to bad Darnold. I mean, it's perfect fit, perfect fit. Wait, was that, was that a real rumor or was that like a fantasy account tweeted that? I'm sorry, I, like, quickly saw something on that. I don't know if that was how real that was. I trust him more for Ravens takes, but he's not a nobody. Okay. So I'm just saying, um, if that,

were to happen. I feel like that trade's already been dealt, but they don't want Stafford to play against them on Thursday. I'm just saying. No shade to whoever that was. I genuinely don't remember who I saw say that. I'm not trying to question your credibility. I would be pretty nuts. It's not a hashtag Pretty Ricky

deletes my account because I can't handle being wrong on a take type situation. So definitely not that. And I will throw shade at that dude all day every single day. Hashtag we stand on business on this podcast. So, yeah, the Cooper Cup situation is tough.

Deontay Johnson's another guy to watch. Basically, every receiver on a bad team. Like, the NFL is clearly becoming the NBA in terms of trade rumors. So, and then obviously insert, oh, this player would be great on the same eight teams as every other one is keep saying. So obviously, and I still don't think Kansas City trades for one of them because they just don't trade for wide receivers. Every year we're like, they're going to trade for one. And then they drafted Rice. And then the years before they're like, oh, they'll trade for one.

Nope, nope, don't see it happening I don't believe the rumor that they traded Or offered a second to the Raiders for Adams I don't believe that either So take that for what you will Quick commercial break When we come back

We'll finally get into the tears And we're gonna answer the first two questions That we had on here So you're gonna want to sit tight When we come back, we're starting With the meat of the program So sit tight obviously we have to remind you that we have fun here and you should too we do make jokes here

as you heard earlier in the program it does that not mean that we take it 100% to heart we probably don't watch enough film for a lot of the film crazed tier youtube viewers but we do our best we promise that we take things seriously when it matters and just as a reminder we have fun here. So hopefully you do two. I'm going to keep that PSA coming because it's important judging by our YouTube comment section. Let's answer the first two questions

and we'll get right into the tiers. I feel like tight end is going to be easier than quarterback. We'll start with that so we don't do three hours today for Lucas to say, give a 25 and 26 first for Brian Thomas Jr. In a 10 by 12, so start 10, 12 person superflex PPR. I'm six and one with extra first to burn, just lost Evans on top of Puka and now Nico. Says the opportunity to absolutely hose stack his wide receiver room. Are we doing a deal?

There's two ones for Brian Thomas Jr. The new price. Ryan? I don't know if I hate it. I don't know if I like the, I don't know if I like the idea of I have first to burn. They're never to burn, right? Like it's currency.

See, it's not, we shouldn't be going out and burning first just to burn firsts. But I don't think two firsts is a horrible price for Brian Thomas. But I would say if you're a 6 and 0 team, that's maybe not the best use of your capital, right? I think you can get comparable to Brian Thomas production without spending two firsts, if the production is what matters to you, which it, which is, should if you're 6 and 0. So yeah, I don't know. I would say to probably explore other options, maybe you can maybe you can be my Amari Cooper buyer that I've just been desperately searching for in so many of my leagues these past few weeks. Yeah, I would check in on those guys first. I don't think

we need to do drastic things like moving multiple firsts. Not that it's like horrible in a vacuum to move two first for Brian Thomas right now. But yeah, I think you can bargain shop a little bit more. Mee Revolts has watched Gentie before you want to burn two first. If he's five and one, he's already not getting Genty. So there you go. So I do think that out of the rookie wide receivers, paying the two first price for Brian Thomas Jr., I think is a better way of spending those picks than paying the

three first to go and get Malik neighbors. And you'd probably have to pay more than two first to go get the Marvin Harrison, Jr. right now. I think that is three first to get neighbors. Good luck. I do think. Smash declined. I do think though that the production moving forward is a little bit more secured this season for Brian Thomas Jr.

So if your goal is I want to get younger at wide receiver and I want to spend these picks that I'm projecting to be at the back end of a draft. So I want to go get an elite rookie put them on my team and still have good production. that's the rookie I'm going after at wide receiver right now. Yeah. I actually like this. Here's a thing. If you're, we can confidently project your first to be pretty late,

considering you are going to get Puka, who is designated to return from practice this week. You are going to get Nico back. And you are going to get Evans back at some point at the end of the year. I'm pretty confident in saying that your first is going to be pretty late. Do you know how much somebody, would pray in a league to get someone like Brian Thomas Jr. at the late first every year.

Do you know how rare it is to hit? Exactly. Do you know how rare it is to hit on a receiver like Brian Thomas Jr. at the end of the first round every year? And now we're getting into a draft class that's projected to be not very great for wide receivers. I'm okay with it. It's not, Lucas. It hasn't been all year. The wide receivers are not the most talked about position in this draft.

And the only reason we have a historic running back class, but they're still good. wide receivers. Good. Absolutely good. But they're not. Macmillan's going to be great. Luther Burden's going to be really,

really good. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And if they are, if they are, they're going really early in this draft because I don't care how great

of a running back classes. We know how people draft in Super Flex leagues. It's not running backs. Gentie is like an exceptional case. Then it'll be quarterbacks are going to get drafted where they shouldn't get drafted. And then your picks seven, eight, are likely to be receivers and a combination of running backs.

And even still, we know how many wide receivers busts that get drafted in the first round often. So there's still no, not even any guarantee that the receivers that you're mentioning are going to be as good as Brian Thomas Jr. Who's absolutely crushing. And by the way, dunking all over Marvin Harrison, Jr., who looks like a catastrophic failure right now for people that drafted him at 101. That's your risk. There you go. you had an elite touted rookie prospect drafted at 101 this year and he has bombed. That's your risk.

Brian Thomas Jr. To me nullifies that. So yes, you can roll that risk and maybe I can have that player and it's great to have that pick in your barrel, but Brian Thomas Jr. is doing the things that we were hoping he was going to do. So to me,

it's at least a safer use of those draft picks and like going and spending a first on Terry McLauran who's now getting kind of. to alpha dog by Noah Brown on Washington. It just, to me, it's not the worst thing you can do it to first. I'm with Ryan in terms of like I would shop around, but like go, go check in on Waddle. Go check in on Tyreek. See what their prices are right now because I'm buying all the dolphins. But at the end of the day, let's face it, Brian Thomas Jr. is the top 10 dynasty wide

receiver. Is he not? Like, look where we put him in that tier tier episode two weeks ago. Two firsts. He's in Garrett Wilson territory at this point where we put him in that tier. and two first is the price of Garrett Wilson. So I think you're bang on. You're just not getting a discount,

which I think is part of the problem. Does that make sense? Hopefully we answered that. Did that make sense? I think I hit the nail on the head there. I think, yeah, I think our positions are clear.

Yeah. Yeah, no doubt this year wide receiver class was too good. It was. It was even better if you faded Xavier Worthy, even better. And Ladmikonki even just looks, I don't know.

I mean, your boy, Justin Herbert, threw the ball 36 times. Ladd was not, there's like a lot of talk on why he wasn't getting the ball. He wasn't involved. So lad, we've got to do some digging in there. Also get Jalen Rager off football fields. I never want to see him again. Without. Hey, lots of good wide receivers have been outfid by Will Disley and a one game sample before.

That's all time trolling, Ryan. I love that. You should tweet that actually. That's phenomenal. Yeah, your boy had 14 fantasy points again. Just that dude needs to score some touchdowns. I mean, the volume back to being good. We like that.

But yeah, 14.76 points because Rieger couldn't hang on to a football and put it through. Yeah, that's the thing with Ladd-McConkie. He's literally never not banged up. That's just Ladd-McConkey playing football. That's not something new. It's just Ladd playing football. Always banged up. All right, let's do this dynasty tier.

think we know this is how it's going to work we have we've split the tier groups in so it's a little less confusing elite great potential to be great but good we have average we have potential and then we have worth nothing we can't see that part because it's a little too zoomed in um but that's how we've kind of sectioned it oh don't care sorry that was the one i wanted to have a little bit more punch a little bit more pizzazz so let's start talking about it i think jacob's not here jacob is usually the name dropper or the tight ends. Chat, you guys can participate. We only have three of us, so there will be a clear and obvious tiebreaker in this

situation, but please feel free to chime in. We need you. I think, yeah, Brock Bowers, he's the only one I'm putting in the top one. Brock Bowers is the only one I'm putting in the top one. I don't think McBride counts as elite. That man is allergic to the end zone. All right. So, LaPora has fallen that far.

then? He's not in the elite category. He's caught one pass like three weeks in a row. Like we can think we can use our eyeballs. I know my fantasy teams can definitely use the points that he's scoring, or not scoring, I should say. Bad. He's been bad. That offense has been weird. Kyler's allergic to being good.

Well, that's obviously not true. I think their offensive system is truly terrible. Kyler's been damn good for fantasy this year. He's just not very QB. one people were hoping for, but he's been good. He's the QB7 on the season right now. So can we just put all tight ends and don't care? No, no, no, we're not copying out.

Ryan, do you have any other possible ads for Elite? No. Yeah, it's kind of, yeah, he just kind of demands his own tier, I think. We've never seen anything like this. So without Devante Adams, in games without Adams, Bowers is averaging over 18 expected fantasy points per game. Just for some context, the two most recent incredible tight-end seasons of the past couple years, which was like Mark Andrews 21, Travis Kelsey 22, those were, I believe, right around 14 and a half expected fantasy points per game.

So, yeah, the volume that Bowers is commanding is insane. It's as if he's a wide receiver one. and they are also never even getting into the red zone and he's still doing it. So yeah, this is, yeah, it's unbelievable. I did love the graphics. Like, it seemed like at least four or five times throughout the game they threw up the graphic

of how many times that the Raiders throw to the tight end position compared to watch series of rainbacks. And it's like, yeah, there's Brock Bowers. Oh, they added another one to Estalia. Oh, there's another one. Yeah. It's just getting three or four targets of drive. I thought that situation would be legitimately,

dog water for him hasn't mattered hasn't mattered it could be better right but how much better like could it possibly get so you're right absolutely love that let's talk about the great tier i think there's a couple of guys that i think belong in here i think tray mcbride belongs in here obviously um you'll keep throwing out names uh tray mcbride belongs in here we've got kittling craft i'm not ready to put craft in there yet he needs to earn some volume i think he's in the good with the opportunity to be great tier uh for the great tier i am willing to put t j hawkinson even though he hasn't played yet i think he is a great tight end i think he does really well every time he's on the field even though i dogged him my entire life pretty much yeah t j hawkinson

has pulled this one weird trick where he hasn't played yet this season, so we haven't had the chance to be disappointed by him like every single other tight end. Yeah, his stock has just really been climbing these last few weeks. He might need to honestly for his dynasty value, he should probably just stay off the field for a little bit longer. No kidding. I think we should talk about George Kittle because with IU gone, he, as long as he's on the field, he can score 20 points a game in this offense.

The only problem is that he is 31. To be fair, we gave Kelsey for years the benefit of the doubt at 31 while he was producing. And Kittle is kind of doing the Travis Kelsey thing now. The thing for me, the separator for me is, are you paying a first for George Kittle right now if you are a top three team in a tight end premium league? Yeah, I am. You are? Lucas, are you? I think definitely with Tiam premium.

That really sells it. Okay. So then I truly believe that he belongs. there. I can't seem to sell him for a first. I will say that. I've been trying to do that these last couple weeks. I don't know why. I don't know if people aren't aware that George Kittle literally averages 23 fantasy points per game. He's a lot of receiver without either IEuk or Devo Samuel over the last three years. Like he yeah, he he, him and Bowers are actually are neck in my mind for like redraft tight end one rest of season. Those are the only guys I'm willing to

even entertain. And I, and I think both of them are, going to be like top 10 valuable players in redraft. Are they both top 10 and wins above replacement right now, Lucas? Or if they're not, they will be very soon. Yeah. So George Kill right now, he is the number eight overall player in the league and wins above replacement is even crazier in wins above replacement per game. Like, he is just absolutely nuts.

Although Brock Bowers isn't too far behind him, which just kind of points to how nuts Brock Bowers has been. But in time premium leagues, it's, it's even crazy or what he's been doing. Yeah, agreed. And even next year, sorry, and even next year to think about it, like if a Ricky Pierceall or like a Joanne Jennings doesn't work out and become like this massive target earner, to even think you could get another year of this type of production from George Kittle with IUC likely out for most of next season.

With Debo possibly gone. Yeah, no, I just love all of the outs to George Kudel right now. have no issues paying a first on any contending team. Agreed. I think there's a name in here that we have to talk about. I think Kyle Pitts might be working his way back. I'm not even kidding. Look at his last three weeks.

Against Tampa Bay, he had eight targets, seven catches for 88, being used in those vertical routes that Fantasy Points data has been pumping so vigorously. And then two weeks ago, he had the game against Carolina, where he only had three catches for 70 yards. I put him in 11.5. And look at his game against Seattle. last week, nine targets, seven receptions for 65. He is finally getting some volume and getting some usage still allergic to the end zone.

Now we have seen it's a trap gif. He is the tight end seven on the year. The offense has been humming of late, truly coming together. Is Kyle Pitts real? Or are we still too skeptical? Are we bought back in, Ryan? I know you've been the data king lately you've probably already looked at everything Kyle Pitts is done

what have you seen no honestly honestly God I've been like avoiding thinking about Kyle Pitts just because I I feel like I I kind of had just had just sworn off thinking about Kyle Pitts after the first few weeks of the season it's like okay whatever like I was wrong and we don't need to revisit this one anymore

but you're right yeah I should should probably think about this Yeah, man. I don't know. So I think Pits is benefiting from a high-volume offense right now, which is awesome, right? I guess that's the same sort of argument. You could hopefully theoretically make for like a T.J. Hawkinson in like the idealized version of the Kevin O'Connell offense.

I think you're looking at something similar there. I mean, Hawkinson was the tight end one right next to. who Travis Kelsey basically tied with him last season, is that, I think that's like the ceiling outcome for Kyle Pitts is like a 14 fantasy points per game type of season. Are there many other tight ends that I think even have that ceiling outcome right now? No.

But there are others, right? I think I'd probably put pits a tier below here. Okay. Because, yeah, while the recent results, and when I say recent, I mean, literally the last three weeks have been better for Pitts than they have for some of the other names we're probably going to talk about.

I don't think that fundamentally the bet is that different with him than with some other guys will bring up. I'm being cryptic right now. Sure. And I think that is fair. So I'm in agreement.

We can move him down. I just had to talk about him. Let's talk about the other sophomore tight ends. Dalton Kincaid and Sam Leporta both been monumental letdowns. I don't want either of them in the great category. I think they both deserve to be dropped a tier. Both of them.

Dalton Cade is getting volume, Target 7, 6, 7, 6, doing nothing with them, though he does have 50 yards in back-to-back games, 50 yards for the first time this season, still leaving a lot to be desired in terms of output. Knox still clearly a problem for him. And now Sam Leportas,

not even a necessary demon in this offense with how they've been running, not getting volume. And it's not because of the fake James and Williams breakout. Mr. Steroids, all that gas and is still ass himself, Jameson Williams, that people talked me into believing after two weeks. You liars. Every single one of you. He was asked the whole time. But back to the tight ends, because we're not talking about wide receivers today. I think, think these two belong in the in the great or in the potential to be great but good category i think they have to ryan have you seen anything that says otherwise i'm sorry can you repeat that i got i got a little bit distracted can you stop scott barrett tweeting while we're on the program

mr full-time hot shot all right let's just lock it in for the rest of the day thank you sir have you seen anything from leporta or kinkade repeat this again have you seen anything from Laporta or Kincaid that makes you think they still belong in the great but not potential to be great but good category no not at all

so yeah Kincaid just comes out of the game in the red zone which is really weird and Laporta look yeah these are the guys I was kind of alluding to with Pitts where I think like the individual talent case you can kind of make here that all of that applies but

yeah just right now with how both of their offense are running. I think we can safely say that unlike somebody like a Brock Bowers, who just demands an offense to be run through him. Yeah, it's not the case

with a Leporta with a Kincaid. Loporta's route share is weirdly down this year too. Like he was up above 70% as a rookie over the full season. He's at like 66% right now. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that. It's pretty disappointing. Only two targets in the red zone this season.

Yeah, I don't like it. It's, yeah, they're in the potential to be great tier for me. Yeah, agreed. I think part of the way of the Florida, oh, go ahead. I will say that if there's any out of this potential be great but good tier, the one I'm betting on right now is Leporta to make that leap up to great. And he's the person that I'm kind of looking at as in like, we all knew that going in tight in one in the previous.

season like I don't think any of us were buying him at that sort of range but as he keeps going down you know I'm starting to ask around I'm starting to see if anybody is willing to move off of him at you know not tight end one prices and I think that Brock Bowers is actually going to kind of reset the market a little bit because I feel like we were all in this like kind of gross tier of like there's a bunch of tight ends that we kind of believe in like Trey McBrose the Sammoporte, Dalton Kincaid, Kyle Pitts, Brock Bowers. And Pitts, I will say, it's slower than that,

but we were kind of in this, like, area. They're really good. We've seen some of them produce. We know the others can eventually produce because we believe in the talent. How do we differentiate between any of them at all? I think that it kind of inflated all of their prices up just a little bit because you wanted to make sure you got one of them.

But now that we know that Brock Bowers is, he's all the way up here. He's the three first place. player, we might start to see, you know, potentially being able to move a first and a second for Laporta or maybe even just a first for him. And I'm looking for that all day, every day in my leagues. Yeah. I think part of the thing with Laporta is there's a reason the lions have been very good

against the Blitz. I think it's because they're keeping Laporta in and not leak him out on routes as often. Now, granted, I'm not a hashtag film guy. I don't know. that's my thought. Because Jared Goughthroat his career has been a pumpkin in those scenarios. And now all of a sudden he's just goaded. So I don't know what it is, but I think you're right.

Potential will be great. Not, but they are good. They're clearly good. But in terms of dynasty, I think you are right here. Let's, is there someone else? I think Tucker Kraft kind of needs to be in here. I think Tucker Kraft is my dynasty tight in five right now. So, yes, you're not the only one.

I think I said that and Graham Barfield almost fell out of his chair. He couldn't believe it. I believe he belongs up there. I don't know if that I have him at five, but I believe I have him at six or seven. So I definitely believe the hype. Now Lucas has to figure out which one it is because there's two Packers, red-headed tight ends that look the same.

I'm fairly certain. I'm right here. I'm 95% certain. Can we get a confirmed? can we get a confirmation? I definitely don't want Muskraying. Tucker Kraft. Yeah, I nailed it.

Man, I'm good. He has been good. He has been very good. I like him. I was taking both tight ends. I believe in the offseason, I said take both of them. They're probably going to be annoying

until one establishes themselves. One has established himself and is Tucker craft. I would like to see the volume. He's going to have a lot of three for 30s in this offense. like let's just be real. But how many tight ends don't have that, really,

outside of the elites? That's why there's four guys in that top category, right? We're talking about potential to be great. I think Tucker Kraft is that next guy. He's doing it in his sophomore season. And I like that. I like that. I got a couple other guys that want to put in,

but they're going to be in the promise category. But I think within the next four or five weeks, there's at least one that I think is going to be up there. You want to sit tight for that. Is there any other names, you can probably think of being in this list, being up at that spot. You think he's great? Or do you think he's just going to be great for the last of the distance?

No, he's not in the great tier. No, sorry. Like potential to be great but good? I don't know. I mean, I don't know how specific we have to get about the descriptors. No, I don't think this is like a, not, he's not like a potential to be great but good in the sense that he's not producing right now and we think he could a lot in the future. He's potential to be great but good in the sense that it's the tier below great.

And I'm pretty confident he is going to produce this year with James Winston. And we've seen him produce at an elite high level with Joe Flacco over a six-game stretch last year. He's outproduced every tight end that we would be putting him next to in this good but not great tier or whatever it's called. So, yeah, he's 28 years old. He's locked into a long-term deal. I believe off the top of my head. Yeah, why not? I think he's coming up on that contract here.

Oh, is he? Okay. I will say, I will say for why not is that he's a volume merchant. So is T.J. Hawkinson. Just listen and hear me out. Okay. David and Joku has like sprints of being unreal.

And it's usually comment like insane circumstances like Joe Flacco. I mean like it like a like a backup corner. back stepping in and playing better than the starter like exactly what's going to happen right now. Yeah, but that's what I mean. Like the odds of that genuinely happening multiple times for a guy to boost his value is not often. Also, we're taking a career run first team and is now suddenly throwing it 40 times a game is the other half of that. I'm going to give it to you. I'll give it to you.

But I think he's been like one of the overhyped tight ends his entire career. but I'll give it to you because I agreed with you until we started producing to the for the rest of the season he's like so I would almost even in 2020 he was tight in 10 last year he got 123 targets

which is because of being again that Joe Flacco throw up 45 times the game scenario like he just doesn't yeah look at these targets and 915 9 814 Jesus Christ aren't targets what we want aren't those good in fantasy football? I'm just saying in terms of like he needs the perfect scenario.

If we did this, okay, so if we did this about any type of hold on, hold on. If we did this exact show and Deshawn Watson hadn't had his leg blown up to a point where all of the internet for the first time in history celebrated the one player going down. No matter the circumstances, we wouldn't be putting him in this tier if Watson was his QB. So it's like how we view him not just his scenario factors into this. for me, which is why I'm explaining it, I'll give it to you, but again, I think he's, I think he'll be one of the more over-hyped dudes

in terms of after this year. Well, I'll give it to you. We'll put Injoku in that tier. I think that's it. I don't see another player in there. Does anyone else? No, I'm tempted to want to try to put some other players up there, but I think that it's just that

their potential is to be good and they have a very cap ceiling on what they can be like I feel bad calling them average but average is probably the wrong word yeah we could we probably could have went producers right you know what I have some power here

you have all the power look away producers there we go okay there we go now I feel better about putting I feel better putting the next group of guys in there already let's talk about producers number one Travis Kelsey let's just be real I think this is like the Kelsey

Ingram Phant Ferguson Hunter Henry now Dallas Goddard yeah Andrews I don't know I don't know if no if no a fan belongs in here but I'll allow it I have the highest past rate

over expected and he's you said Schultz right yeah actually yeah you're right I wouldn't put Fant in there Cole fan down. Put fan down a tier. No, for now. I can't.

Yeah, I don't know if I'm in the promise tier for Noah Fah. I mean, he's 26 years old, right? He's still got a shot. Where's Isaiah likely? Let's have the Isaiah likely conversation. In promise. He has promise. So he's run more routes than Andrews in four of their last five games,

has outscored Andrews. year to date is that's on the back of whatever it is five years younger than Andrews. These, is a likely thing outscoring him is literally on the back of a week one 30 point game. And outside of that, he has one other game where he scored more than like seven or eight fantasy points. And that was the week five game where he scored twice. He has promise if he ever gets the opportunity to like be the guy.

But Andrews is coming back. Back to back weeks, his usage has been good. And no, it hasn't. Like the route share has not come up at all. He's how he ran like nine routes left last night. Yeah. And he got his what,

four targets and two of them. He would have had three touchdowns, if not for one deflected football. Like they're clearly, they found the way they want to use him in the offense. I think he has a player that has promise if he's ever the tight end one. He won't be the tight end one on the team,

regardless of his routes run until Andrews is gone. I agree with that. I'm just saying, I just don't want to be overrating Andrews here off of the touchdowns over the last couple weeks because, yeah, the role has not changed at all. I am happier with Andrews being put down as a producer given his history.

And if they are working him back in for the back half of the season, which is what it feels like to me, they're running the play action, deep crosses a couple of times now with him being wide, like no one near him wide open. and they are, I believe, starting to scheme him in the red zone more, which means he will bounce back. Fun stat.

He's outscored both Kincaid and Laporta already, which that's hilarious. I think likely has promised, but I just can't put him in that next tier with producers because he doesn't produce outside of the two games. And one of them was an insane game. Both of them were actually kind of insane with how he scored in both games. Like really insane.

but I can't I think he has promise if he ever gets to be the tight end one I can't put him up there yet and I know Andrews has been woefully bad but I'll still bet he outscores Isaiah likely rest of season okay you've you've swayed me a little bit I think I don't I look at them and I want them to be in the same tier I just glanced at I agree I have I have some yeah I have some distance between them but yeah I don't know this I think status quo for another four four weeks and they are the same tier. But yeah. Okay.

What about Cade Otton? He had one game. Like, I can't do Cade Auden. I'll put him in the promise section. He looked good. And yeah, they have no receivers now,

which I'm super regretful that I have to be reminded of that seemingly every 20 minutes now when we do shows. Depressing. Jake Ferguson. Wait, I need to talk about Cade Oton. I'm so sorry.

We have to talk about Cade Oton. What is the difference between KDOT and then Dalton, Kincade this year. So KDoughton, seven targets for game, 51 receiving yards per game since week three. Those both ranked top 10. Obviously had a big game last night. I'm not even like trying to put as much weight on that,

like situation-wise. He's never been an efficient player. He never will be an efficient player. I get that. But the same is kind of true for Dalton Kincaid. I don't know. I don't know if I feel like Kincaid is kind of Kate Otton with better PR, except Kdaughton runs way more routes. I would have agreed had Kincaid not been a top 12 tight end in his rookie year.

But Kate Otton's the same age, so it's not like you're getting any benefit from that. Kate Otton's tight end 13 with the league I'm looking at and K.Doughton's 12. So they are kind of back to back. I would give one just based on pedigree. I think if just I want to see a little more, which is why he has promise. Like I think that if KDoughton continues to do this, he's like in that next tier and could be an entry to the tier above.

If this, if for the rest of the year, he like just crushes in this same role. Yeah, I agree. I think he has promise. So I would put, maybe we need to pull guys down then. Because I would take KDOT in pretty easily over Adelton Schultz.

Yeah, I don't know. Dalton Schultz is in that, but I don't know how, I don't know how I asked and nobody told me no. You snuck them in there. Get them at, I don't even, I want him and don't care. No, I want him in don't care. All right. Get him out of here.

Okay, well, I'm, boy, it's going to ask about Jake Ferguson, but I, I know now where that's going to be. And somebody who's pictures not here, Mr. Zachertz, I think that he probably goes in the producer's tier as well. I put him in the producer's tier. I was going to put Jake Ferguson in the producer's tier, but then the Kda, I think, I think Ryan's actually right. We got to put Kdaaten up a tier. Oh, there we go.

I think we got to put Kdaaten up a tier. He's earning the volume. I think you're right. This could be a breakout. I think we should treat it as real. Pat Friarmuth. Does Friamuth belong there? Let's have a look.

I don't know. I feel like you all said so many names. I was like, oh, I bet they said this person too. and just kept moving. I'll put Fritabuse down a tier. He's not really producing. He's got two touchdowns on the year. He's had more than five targets one time.

He's had more than four catches once. You can just walk in. I'd have moved in for 30. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to have no care. I said down eight tier, not down two tiers. Damn.

Lucas is trying to set me up. Damn. All right. How many tight ends do we have on that board right now? We have a lot. One, two. Because we're almost that we're at an hour. 21.

We're not to promise. We have to do promise, which will be the vast majority of everyone else. I don't think there's anyone else on here that belongs in that tier above. And I think on this screen, there's one guy, maybe two that belongs in promise. We shall see. We shall see. Okay. Gatavian Sanders.

Can I guess the first name you're going to say? Fucking Lutely, Jatavian Sanders. I talked about him leading up to the, the season during the draft portion because I like tight ends in tight end premium in the second and third round I want to draft all of them because you never know

Theo Johnson, Jatavian Sanders fit cheaper Ben Sinat if you would Sanders from weeks five in weeks five through seven or sorry yeah in weeks five and seven had 19.8% target share 69.7% route participation

25% target per route run 21.1% first return target share, a 14.6% air yard share, and had 14 catches for 123. In week seven alone, he had a 33% target share, a 64% air yard share, 43% target per route run, 4.36 yards per route run, and a 35.7% first read target share, 6461. Stats via Andy Buckler and the Fantasy Points Data Suite. That's unreal production, size, speed, freak athlete and a good offense, playing the Kate Otten role.

So there you go. He belongs in the promise, and I think he's going to smash into that producers to even, he could be a two-tier up player. This is a guy that could easily be Dynasty Titan 8 in three weeks. Like if Tucker Kraft is already your Dynasty Tighten 5, Ryan, what would Jatavian Sanders have to do with his last three weeks usage to equal that same pace?

because for scoring over the same three weeks, aside from touchdown, Sanders is putting up better numbers. I don't know, get signed by Green Bay probably would be the main thing. Yeah, I mean, with Kraft is that he has like some of the best touchdown equity

of any tight end in the league, right? That's kind of a lot of what sets him apart. But no, I'm with you. I'm excited about Sanders. I'm excited about this usage. I will say there's a chance that Tommy Trembal comes back and like kind of cucks him for a few weeks, that that is definitely possible that like this kind of breakout with the six and a half targets per game has

been without tremble there. I hate that I have to say things about Tommy Trembal preventing young breakout tight ends from happening, but it's something to consider. But I mean, I'm with you. I would agree that he's in that promised here. Yeah, I agree. He's in the promise tier. but I don't think he's far off. I think if he can smack down Tommy Trembl when he comes back. All right, Lucas, who else do you got? I do think that we need to talk at least about Ben Sinat. Somebody who's getting that kind of draft capital.

I feel like he definitely needs to be in the promised tier. I don't know if I'm ready to move Michael Mayer out of promise yet. I am. I don't know. Like, obviously he has like the biggest competition possible. but we have seen that the Raiders want to use the tie-in position. He's still getting on the field. Do the Raiders want to use the tight-in position?

He has four targets this year, and he had 20. I think they want to use barfowars. He had four receptions this year, and he had 27 receptions in his rookie year. See you. He is just a prototypical player that I don't care about. He's a zero until something drastic happens. Sorry, I feel really mean about both of us just pouncing on Lucas right there. No, no, no, it's, look, I get it.

I totally understand. I totally understand. And I get it, Lucas. I wanted him to be a thing, too. Did you know Daniel Bellinger had a better rookie year than Michael Mayer? Yes, unfortunately. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

All too aware. There wasn't a lot there in his rookie year. Now, something could happen. Unfortunately, it would take like Bowers being hurt or him getting traded at the deadline. But I can tell you that teams don't get. give away their good second tight end for free when they're 24 years old on a rookie contract. So he's stuck there. He's stuck being alpha cucked.

So somebody I'm seeing in the chat and I don't have his picture here. I apologize. We have gone through. Cade Stover. There's Cade Stover. He's in the promise section. The guru loves him. Hanson loves him.

Then there's also Eric All. I know that there's a lot of fans of him. I love him. He belongs in the promiscence of him. in the promise section basically all the rookie tight ends like let's be real like we can just shorten it theo johnson belongs in there as well uh i saw someone say jelaney woods never he said looks good okay okay okay okay good i'm not i'm not having that conversation ever again i mean he's still always my last pick and startup drafts because i know i can come on my i are i'm like

i'd rather draft tom brady and hope that he comes out of retirement to play for the raiders yeah Isn't the last round of startups like the I know ball test? Like I'm going to I'm going to just draft the name that is going to make the most He was Flacco last year for me by drafting Jeline Woods. I was drafting honorary Joe Flacco because he won the Ravens of Super Bowl and I was letting him spit on my rosters and then all of a sudden it became a league winner. So I guess you're kind of right. These other guys, I don't care about a Conquo.

I don't care about Jolani. Musgrave is into the don't care section now. Dulcich was never a thing. I don't care. I never, I never, no, don't care.

27, 29 year old rookie tight end. No thanks. Don't care. So yeah, there's our, there's our tight end tier list.

We're going to reset for quarterbacks. Let's review it. Elite is Bowers. Great is McBride, Hawkinson, and Kittle. Potential to be great, but good is Pitts,

Kincade, LaPorta, Kraft, and Joku. I think if there's one player, I think we could be over pumping. It would be craft between Ryan and I,

pumping him up here. But I think you're right. He has great touchdown equity. Producers. Kelsey Goddard, Hunter Henry. I mean, with that, we're going to talk about Drake May. Insane. Andrews, we could see him dip here, but I'm believing in the touchdown and point producing.

We got him in the 16th round of a startup a couple weeks ago. Insane value. Col Commet and Kate Otten. Look at me. I don't need names. Come on. Not picture like what's that? Oh, not shown.

Zacherts. Yeah, Zachert's honorary. All of the rookie tight ends like Theo Johnson, Eric Al Cade Stover. We have Ben Sinat, Tatian Sanders, Pat Faramuth, Isaiah likely in the promise category

and a whole bunch of people we do not care about. Jeheme Bell, I don't care. He hasn't done anything yet. I'd like to see at least some get on the field and earn something. It is tough when you've got Austin Hooper

and Hunter in the henhouse. for for rookie titans until they make an appearance on the field i i don't care and i love jean bell i loved him as a prospect but yeah if he if he can't get on the field for that patriot's offense then that's a big red flag yeah we sent uh jelan polk to the shed old yellow style um jean bell's got to get out there and uh and get some snaps at least uh we did mention eric all his his picture is not on here but we did put him in the promise section he's an honorary

promise member I'm a big Eric all guy was all off season but I'm excited that he's actually getting some playing time quick break we come back we're resetting for quarterbacks so I think we could have just done a tight end episode god damn we're going to do quarterbacks anyway sit tight

we'll be right back Lucas let's get that other one set up okay so we are waiting for, we need Lucas to pop that other one up here right away. There we go. All right, here we go. We should have average, or we should have producers, then average, and then promise, I think,

for the quarterbacks. This, I feel like, is actually going to be easier to do than the tight ends. I really do, because I think it's pretty clear cut and dry in terms of dynasty value, how these quarterbacks should go. Yeah, surely we would never debate over. over quarterbacks. Never. No, on this podcast,

we'll be, never. Yeah, we're not going to have a single disagreement at all. I think we'll have fewer disagreements because Jacob's not here to pump his insane propaganda.

Well, we can settle ties very easily. I think that's the big thing. Honestly, yeah, instead of, yeah, it's pretty clear where the room stands

each time. And I just want to point out, I just want to point out, uh, yeah, I'm not, putting Ferguson in the producers tier yet um oh he would be in my producers tier i just didn't really want to have the argument for jake ferguson because why would i do that to myself on a

tuesday night um but my position would have been he should have been i i'm not not caring about ferguson he is a player you can play he's a player that has promised to me expect eight to ten ppr points yeah he has he has promised to me to take the next step i want to see the next step that offense is just bad in general. I liked him when he was free. I didn't like his inflated costs in the offseason because Dallas just churns and burns their tight ends. That's what they do.

They'll have the next version of him in a year or two. All right. Same thing. I think Elite, we have Lamar Jackson, obviously. I mean, let's be real. That's where we started. Okay. Back to back MVP coming up here.

Third MVP, a 27 years old he's the goat he's basically the goat 84 games that took him to have five games of five touchdowns and no interceptions yeah he's the goat unreal um I'm gonna put Josh Allen up there

sorry I'm not gonna live Mar Jackson Slander I'll just I'll just shut my mouth keep going Thomas try I was I was just you know what no it's not worth it that's what's up it's not worth it but I'd like to hear an actual case if you don't think he's there I was just gonna make it obnoxious comment about

how he had to vote how he threw behind Zay Flowers last night. Yeah, well, I told you. So Lamar Jackson knew he was going to get pulled from the game early and felt like he had to give the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a score. So he threw the ball behind, clearly very carelessly,

and Zay Flowers couldn't stop to catch the screen. You know, without that play, let's think about this in the multiverse, is Chris Godwin on the field for that drive? Yeah, probably. get hurt. Yeah, he probably is anyway. Probably still. Yeah. But he had to keep Tampa in the game so he didn't get pulled at the start of the first quarter. Like, let's just be real. He wanted to stay out there. I mean, that's just how the way I put it. He gave

the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a chance because he's an honorable MVP and a man that wants to finish again. That's what I'm going with. We would never give you any sort of biased analysis on the dynasty points program. Never. Nope, never. Look, it was a shitty throw, but it's just one of those things where he clearly just wasn't locked in and didn't care. Like let's be, even his reaction afterwards, he was like laughing and shrugging his shoulders. He is,

I always say on this show, Lamar Jackson does one stupid thing every single week that if they just have to like, if they can survive his one hilarious, stupid mistake every week, they'll be fine. But he does do one thing every week that is really stupid. I've never shied away from that.

That was just his thing. At least he didn't, drop a snap, run back a bunch of yards, lose the ball in overtime. So thank God. All right. Who else in this tier? I don't think there is another one.

I think it's these two. I think these are Dynasty QB1 and two. I mean, I agree with that. Are we not entertaining Jane and Daniels in this tier yet? No, I'd like to see it for more than a year before I put him in the top tier.

That's always how I've been. I think he's dope. I think he's great. I think he's a phenomenal player. Already about to miss a couple of weeks. so we're not putting C.J. Stroud up there. I feel like, I have to say it.

I can hear like Jacob in my ear right now. I have to bring it up or else Jacob might not come back next. Look at his sophomore season. Like Lucas says, Jacob's idea was that C.J. Stroud was going to break every single passing record. And this offense is going to look great. Tank Delos look like shit.

To be perfectly honest. And what did I say in the off season? When I mentioned with the coaching staff, had said that they wanted to run the ball more. They were going to bring in Mixen to be a bell cow. He has been. They're going to run the ball. They're going to not let C.J. Stroud play Yolo football because he got away with too much.

Brett Whitefield said the same thing. That was my cautionary tale for the QB1 season potential with C.J. Stroud. I said he was the worst pick you could make in the first round at his ADP because pylon quarterbacks have to do so much to stay at that position. and C.J. Stroud has 100% disappointed this year for his ADP. I'm sorry, but if you want to be in that Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, game-breaking tier of quarterback, you need to be at like unbelievable touchdown efficiency numbers and volume, and he's not there. I think he's great, but if we're talking fantasy production, you can't put him in that A-tier.

Right now, he does not have week-to-week game-wrecking ability. Yes, Nico is out. but even with Nico Collins he had in four point touchdown leagues he has had one game above 20 points and he's had two games above 18 points he's closer to Justin Herbert than he is

Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen this year which is something to think about considering how much I've shit on Justin Herbert this year you know what I mean I think he's not far as like he's closer to Justin Herbert 14.3 points 9.8 15.9 and 5.3 aside from the two games that I've already mentioned. The only difference is that Justin Herbert doesn't have those two games, whereas

Josh Allen and Marr Jackson have way more games above those than. So just on a technicality standpoint in production, he's been closer. Yeah. So what about Jalen Hertz? I don't think he's in that top tier either. He's also had an ass season. Like he wasn't in that elite tier for me to start the year. To me that like this tier has to be like week to week standing above absolutely everybody else no matter what. And I don't think Jalen Hertz has that. Jailen Hertz looks way better with A.J. Brown tracking down deep balls without it.

And now Barclay's taking those goal line touches and touchdown. So we're not even getting the tush push push Jalen Hertz. I mean, it had two push touchdowns on Sunday. He did have two on Sunday. But he doesn't have, he's not on page for the 14. Four or five this season. Like it went away for like two weeks. And it's back.

He has seven passing touchdowns. to four interceptions. He had 15, 13, and 10 rushing touchdowns. So we're at week eight and Jalen Hertz has four rushing touchdowns. That is below expectation. I agree. He's not playing as well. Sorry,

he's not scoring as many rushing touchdowns. He's also not playing as well. Yeah, as we've seen him. That's why I wouldn't put him in the elite category. I agree. I agree he's a tier below. Yeah.

That's why that I'd entertain like in my rankings, I go back and forth between Hertz in Daniels as QB3 or QB4. I think I've hurts at 4. I think I said all that hurts at 4. I think I have Daniels 3, Stroud 5. Yeah, that's how

I have it. Here's the whole. This is where I... All right. Let's just finish this tier, because I'm going to get into that next tier of like pylons after this, but I think this is where the disconnect

for me is going to be compared to everybody else is the pylons, because I don't give a shit about any of them compared to the others. Like, Baker's, Baker's as good as Burroughs as good as Strouds Strouds as good as good. It just comes down to volume and touchdowns,

but we'll get into that after. I don't think anyone else is in here, but I think we can put Hertz here. I think we should put Daniels here. I think we should put Stroud here. I agree with all that so far. I'm curious about the next name that I think is out of your mouth, though. Really?

Like, those are the three you've said, right? Yeah. Who else? DAC? Do we put DAC here? Oh, I didn't know if you were going to say Kyler. He was coming next. I'm conflicted. I have conflicting. Yeah, that's who I've wanted to pick your brain on.

Yeah, so we'll go, I want to, I want to, because he's going to take a while. Do we put DAC here? I don't think I do. Yeah, I agree. You won't put Burrow here. Do you already said that? Okay. I haven't got there yet. I thought, if you want to fight about Burrow, I might find about Burrow. Can we put Watson in his own category, like fired into the sun? gone forever

get fucked like we can like make our own category for him hopefully your career is over it does suck to like see that like just the pop on national television like that was just like

oh that was so rough and I don't know there is just something like sombering of like knowing that somebody's being taken off the field and they're they're not coming back like there's no possible way I feel like he has a career after this just from effect plus everything else.

He's probably walking in week one is the starter. Oh, like Kirk Cousins came back and Kirk Cousins popped his later. They owe that dude like 140 million no matter what because they restructured his contract and pushed money back. Adam Schaefter was on the McAfee Show talking about. They owe him that money no matter what. That dude is the week one starter on that team.

unless they draft the rookie and just bench him and eat that cap money Broncos style. It is still like double the amount of money that the Broncos ate for Wilson. So we'll talk about Watson later, but he's not just like actually gone forever. They owe him way too much money unless they just wash his hands, their hands of them and just eat the cap. Or he does something else super fucked up that violates his contract. We'll see.

Into the great tier. I don't put Dak. We'll put Dak. potential to be great but good okay what about Jordan love so love and borough are the two that I wouldn't argue to put into the great tier that I think I belong next to see I agree um hmm well I'm going to get outvoted anyway I mean Jordan love is still top five and war so far on the season for the position plus the way that he's used there's such high value type touches yeah it's sometimes

It's a little nutty, but that's what makes you feel alive, right? A little Will Levisy? No, no. Like, I know you said that he's, I know, I know what you said. I know what you said. I know what you said. If that wasn't, if that wasn't the DNA of Will Levis, I don't know what else it could have been. It's the other 95% of the game that completely separates the two to where they're not.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's just a little. He's just got a little. bit of that in him. He does. The jump throw pick six is arguably more hilarious than what Will Levis has done this year. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. Hey, I love that Jordan Love is awesome because I get to rub it in John Arrington's face constantly. So there you go. I loved round 19, Jordan Love. That was awesome. Need more of that. Just to make like the affirmative case for both Burrow and love, too.

So both of these guys are in situation. As Thomas is probably going to say a lot tonight, oh, the pylon guys, it just mattered. It comes down to the past volume and the touchdowns. These are guys that are in offenses, in systems, where we have seen the pass rate over expectation be elevated for an extended period of time. I don't know all Joe Burrow has done when he's not been very visibly hobbled,

is score about well above 18, 19 fantasy points per game. like he scores fantasy points like a Jalen Hartz does when he's not playing amazing. So yeah, and kind of same with love. It's just what we've seen from him for a good sample of 16 games, more or less running straight now. So yeah, they're both in that tier for me because I just think there's more stability with them than there are with any other pocket passers. I would agree they have the offenses.

They have the game breaking potential. a week to week basis. I would agree here. Without him being injured, like he wasn't his rookie year or last year, Joe Burroughs never not been a top eight quarterback and four point passing touchdown

leagues. And Jordan Love since really turning his season around, I think it was week four last year. I would agree they're both like Jordan Love is 25, Burrow is 27, yeah. So I would agree they're in the great, they are great players and great fantasy assets. I agree.

I'm always, Only knocking DAC for age, really, being 31, and this season has been a disaster, and I don't think we should reward him for it. I know I can hear Jacob moaning and groaning from wherever he is, lying to us about where he is, that, oh, he's been great for like six straight. That's fine. He's been asked this year. He belongs in a tier below the others, period.

And he's 31. Just is what it is. They need another weapon there for sure, because even Cid Lam is not. hitting the same this year. I also think the Dallas coaching staff is stuck in like the vortex of we can't run play action because we don't have a backfield, which is not true, has been studied very extensively by many smart people in the industry, Scott Barrett included. But yeah, they've just been running a lot less play action this year.

Dax numbers come down a lot when he's not on play action. And that's been the tendency. which, yeah, is not great. So, yeah, I don't think, I would say Dax, compared to somebody like a Jordan Love, like age aside in terms of how great I feel about the situation and the coaching staff and is this going to be an environment where he's set up to maximally succeed all the time? I think there's a big difference between the, between, yeah, between those teams. Yeah.

No, I agree. there's a name here that I think Jacob would agree on is Drake May put him in the tier I'd already put him there Are we put we're putting him in the Great tier of deck

Yep I want Drake May over Dak in Dynasty I want him over deck I don't know if he's in my Joe Borough Or Jordan now here's why Here's why here's why Back to back games of 20 points With this team

With New England Pretty good We know he's got the arm we've no he's got the athletic ability. My issue with Drake May was never like me thinking he was ass. It was that I just wanted J.G. McCarthy over him because he was in Minnesota. I'm sorry, but if Minnesota just got Drake May instead, Drake May would be scoring like 24 points per game right now.

And you can't convince me otherwise. I think he's good. I think he's great. And I think this is legitimately the next guy if they get him any weapons or offensive line at all. let me tell you back to back 20 point games something patrick mahomes hasn't been able to say in a long fucking time so i want drake me if we're going to talk drake me i feel like we have to bring up caleb williams yep i feel like caleb williams like does he belong that's kind of what i'm saying though is like i'm going to put those two side by side and i'm going to stand by that one

for a while like if if we're putting drake may already in the great tier i'm putting kael Williams right beside him. I don't think that like obviously like the first two weeks were extremely rough by starting to see like Caleb Williams really start to grow. Well in the two weeks after we're also extremely rough. 52 passing attempts, two touchdowns, two picks versus Indianapolis was still rough. 17 points and four point touchdown leagues. But back to back games granted it's Carolina and Jacksonville.

He's been very good. Yeah. Like I would I would almost put both those in the same tier. as stack now obviously like i want those two over deck but i do feel like they're a little bit behind you know burrow love definitely daniels stragg i see a scenario where drake may is drafted ahead of burrow and love next year if he continues to produce like this so but he's probably a first round pick so today you would you would prefer to tear down from a love to drake may and potentially pick up a second.

Yep. I think they're going to produce similarly week to week. Or have the potential to in the future, right? Dynasty. Okay. And Drake runs more than them too. I'm going to say something dumb.

Is Camel Williams sealing like what Drake Mayes is? Like the rushing that we've seen over these two games from May just gets me really as long as we're sitting in Thomas Dreamland where the Patriots like pick up a

legitimate wide receiver and a legitimate offensive line at some point over the next two years. Yeah, then I can close my eyes and I can see like the Drake May 24 fantasy points per game. Do I see that with Caleb Williams necessarily? I don't know. Well, the last

two games, Caleb Williams has rushed for four for 56 and five for 34. And a week two rushed five for 44. So the rushing is there. I still see it with Caleb Williams. Okay. Okay. I actually I was about to say something dumb. I think you've talked I think you've talked to me down. I think May

and Caleb go in a tier below. Yeah, I agree. I think they're together and yeah, but yeah, I think they, those five guys is right now. I think Caleb has the bigger ceiling because I think they could each produce passing and then Caleb has actually

rushed more than May in two games, especially their last two games each. So we'll see. Plus I still just feel Wardrick May. I just feel a little. It's all Bortle style down 20. That's hilarious. I do still just feel a little bit better about Caleb than May as a prospect.

Like I have a little bit more certainty that will reach the high end of what Caleb believes could be than Drake May. Now, still just two games. That's a lot of it. Rome, DJ Moore, Cole Commit. They actually have a good offense. Yeah. And that's like I can hear I can hear Jacob in my ear right now saying Ryan push back on these guys right

now, Drake May is out there absolutely bawling with Jaylon and Kay Sean Bouté right now. All right. I also feel like now because you just said that I have to go to bat against Drake May, who I nominated. First off, in his first game,

he looked like ass in the first half, legitimately terrible. He threw the deep ball, right? They were pretty much in pre-event at that point of the game. So, yes, we know the deep ball is there. That doesn't impress me that much because we know, we know that was what we expected but he is reading the field he is playing really well he also beat

the jags or not even beat the jags he got second half off coverage versus the jags in the second half so at least i can still see it the talent is clearly there but i'm going to preemptively now push back on jacob even though he's not here because now i feel like i have to i'm like trying to bring jacob into the room so that he can deadlock this vote with me but it's fine i know how this is there's if there was ever a fly on any is jacob in the room with us right now i'm sorry how are you saying that is he in the is he in the room is he in the room with us right now

in the room this is a new one i haven't ever heard that before like that's specific that specific pronunciation of room it sounds like you're saying rum he's in the room room i'm hearing rum chat Okay, you just can't hear that. I'm hearing RUHM. Yeah. Like, it's just, it's just an odd one.

That's how I've always said the word. I don't know. Is this just the East Coast thing? Like that might be, because you're in the, you're in the East Coast. You're like a far east coaster. Like a New Englander. Yeah. Yeah.

So rum, that makes sense. It's room. The room? Like Zoom. No. I'm in the room. Okay. What do you call?

I walked into the room. A little vacuuming robot. the Roomba. Okay. All right. Well, that is more fun. Yeah. I will say it's way more fun.

My Roomba vacuums the room. But you're not saying, I was unaware of this word differently. You're not saying rumba. You're saying Roomba. Yeah, I'm aware that they're spelled the same, but that's not how it's pronounced. All right. Very clearly. I wanted to make sure I heard that right.

Because you said it like three times. And the first time, was like, did I hear that differently? Normally it's me and my Canadian bullshit that people make fun of on this podcast, but that one I had to make sure I heard right. You had one story. Just to be clear, Toronto, Dave, and chat,

I would never say milk. You would never catch me saying milk. Although the water, the water thing is, it's something that I wasn't prepared for moving into Northern Virginia. The way that people north of Richmond say water, it's something.

I can't even like actually say it because it surprises me every single time I hear it. Water? I can't do it. No, that's that's closer to my neck of the woods there. I'll throw in a yawl though just to keep this thing going. I got the I got the y'all. I got y'all. I say water a lot.

Let me get the water. But that's, I think that's the Italian burned into me. We say water. Yeah. And you already said that doesn't impress me much. Now I'm all I'm hearing of Shania Twain. Yeah. Same.

At least. I know that reference now. I'll never miss that again after. We are cultures here. Me on air. We are cultured on dynasty points. Yeah, that's right. And Toronto Dave says,

get it or Sean says asking to say walk his dog and get a coffee. I've heard him enunciate coffee. He doesn't say coffee. So that's just like an, yeah, you don't say coffee. So walk his dog and get a coffee. Yeah.

So it's just a specific thing. I never knew I had an accent. You know, I thought, I thought I really had just the neutral like it's the one this is the very first thing that I've ever noticed I was like I never knew this that's new like

like I said dude you said it and I kept going and then you said it again and I was like I have to address this now right and then yeah so this is this is what we're going to do see yeah Keith's or Kyle says your accent is pretty pretty mild I thought it said pretty I look, we're actually going to take this time to take our next break.

We're going to regroup, get back in the rum, and finish this, finish this tier sheet. Sit tight. We'll be right back. I love this podcast. I feel like we learn something about each other every single week. And this is great. We're a unique program. And I love that for us.

Okay. We've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven quarterbacks. Are we still filling out this potential? to be good but great. I don't know. Be great but good. I'm going to put Trevor Lawrence in there. I'll put Trevor Lawrence in there.

Why? Because Brian Thomas Jr. is going to save him and drag him up into that tier? I think so. I truly believe that that coaching staff is going to get fired and their OC is so egregiously

terrible. Like I would have a hard time not putting them in there, but it's almost like he's, why do we think any subsequent OC is going to be better. Because this dude has followed Doug Peterson around everywhere, and he's been bad. So, I don't know.

Like, Press Taylor has just been Doug Peterson's guy, and this dude can't fucking call plays. He's just been terrible. I at least see, and also, I can, I can admit nobody drops passes like the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Like, no other team drops touchdowns like them. It is truly remarkable, the level of, dropping of passes. And if you just look at his dynasty value, it hasn't dropped that much. Like,

I would even put Justin Herbert. Yeah, but these are now, now Jacob is in the, is in the rum or whatever with us. It's not about our dynasty value. It's about our takes, right?

Yeah, I don't care what Herbert Lawrence is the value is. Okay. I do. All I do care about is market. I don't have hashtag player takes that often. That's why I'm willing to put Herbert in here,

who I've shit on the entire time. But I can at least, see with my eyeballs that if Jalen Rigger doesn't fumble a ball out of the end zone on the two yard line he has a 20 some point game and now they've a back to back games where they thrown it more than 36 or more times, right?

He's a volume merchant that needs touchdowns. Trevor Lawrence, a volume merchant that needs touchdowns. I'm getting to Kyler Joe. I'm getting to him. I'm putting them off on purpose because I can probably talk about him for 45 minutes. You're going to make you talk about him now? I think we talked about Kyler over

Trevor Lawrence. I mean, at least Kyle is going more than 15 fantasy points per game this season. I said I was getting there. He belongs in the second tier. He does not belong.

No, go up. That would be the fourth tier, Lucas. Oh, you're putting him here. I'm putting him in the great tier. Oh.

So, this is going to be hard for me to say. I've touted Kyler Murray for two years. And I've said that he could overcome everything. He can't. Their offensive coordinator might be the second worst offensive coordinator in football

next to Greg Roman. They have the worst past coordinated offense in football, even below Greg Roman. It is so egregiously bad with their lack of pre-snap motion that it makes me feel like I'm watching football from 1962. They are using their Ferrari, Marvin Harrison Jr., as a sacrificial X wide receiver so they can focus on Greg Doris. and Michael Wilson. Yeah.

I don't think, I don't know if that's even the intention. I feel like the offense is more designed like when I would play Madden in 2007 and just throw it to Randy Moss every time. Like hold the X button. That's like what they want to do, but it doesn't work because it's not Madden in 2007 with Randy Moss. They're just not designing the plays in the right way.

However, his rushing upside pushes him past these other guys. on a week-to-week basis, he can shut it down. Ferrari with the V4, that's actually kind of funny. Cliff Kingsbury does not look pretty good. I don't know how to tell you this, but his own players are calling the shots, which is hilarious when you hear that in interviews.

When Terry McLauran is asking him to run the play action deep route when it was so obviously clear they needed to run a play action deep route, the players are begging him to do different things in the offense. that's important to note. He does not look very good. This is a dynasty ranking. Yes. Well,

kind of ranking, just kind of tiers. These guys are not in, like none of these guys are in any particular order. It's just where we view them in terms of tiers production plus our opinions.

Yeah. Does anyone have an agreement against Kyler here? I think it's bleak. I think it's bleak. I think he's like teetering for me. because I'm kind of sick of his shit. But he is the QB7.

He does have multiple 20 plus games. He does have weak winning upside. Yeah. I'm still, at least for me, I am putting him in potential be great but good. Right now, I feel like he's a very similar.

He's significantly. There's a gap between him and the other guys in terms of production. Like there is a gap there. So I would agree in terms of like DAC, Trevor and Herbert, but with Williams and May there, I'm, that's where I'm kind of Yeah, but Tyler, Tyler's finished as a QB6, QB3, QB 10 is currently the QB7. He's already doing it. It's so hard to finish at that level as it is.

He's already doing it and he has these issues. So that's, that's where I'm putting them. That team is woeful. They're misusing the offense in general. Yeah. I think he still has to be there. His rushing upside is damn near. on this dude

doesn't not rush for 400 yards when he plays 10 or more names like that's disgusting he's got to be up there it can make up for so much and he's not even really putting it in the end zone this is like a worst case scenario offense where both Marvin Harrison and Michael Wilson

are like top five in vertically breaking routes so that that was the Matt Harmon tweet today among obviously lots of other issues with this offense but yeah I I think that the fact that Kyler can do this in this situation, like, like he,

he is in like fancy New England right now, essentially, right? He's in New England with an alpha wide receiver. Yeah, agreed. I think he has to be there. No, get out of here, Keith.

Get, get out of here. All right. I'm going to bring up someone. Every league. I'm going to bring up someone. I think that Tom might boot me from the show for bringing it up because of all of the takes that we,

had so far this season with him but are we going to put Patrick Mahomes here and the potential to be great but good he has to be there okay like I've shit I was afraid that you were going to say no no no no no look I get that I like crack jokes right and it's like a bit of mine lately because he has been dog shit since last year not a coincidence that Matt Nagy shows up and his production goes away that's that's not that's not lost on me, but anyone with eyes can see, like, he's still just, you know what I think it actually is? And this is like the most real football take. You'll probably ever hear from me on this show. I think he's fucking bored. I don't think Patrick Mahomes cares until it's the fourth quarter.

And then I also don't think he cares until it's the playoffs. Like, does that make sense? Because how does he go from looking like complete garbage all year to the playoffs come and all of a sudden he's Patrick Mahomes again? I don't think. he cares about the regular season at this point like he cares because he's like a one percent type athlete but i don't know i think they i think they're a team that knows they're gonna make it and then they save it that's why in the fourth quarter they turn it on they're unbeatable in the fourth quarter insert your ref jokes i don't care he's making terrible god-awful decisions right now he's forcing the ball in ways that we have not seen him do before but he still belongs there

like get this guy one decent game plan and another wide receiver that has working body parts. You know, he's not throwing to Noah fucking gray for like deep shots down the field. Yeah, he's there. Okay. What about a lot of producing Trevor Lawrence? Yeah, Keith, Keith says it's not a bad take. He doesn't try and escape and get creative until it's necessary.

Yeah, that's exactly it. Is he outproducing Trevor Lawrence? No. By like point two fantasy points for games. Oh, yeah. I'm telling you those, those drops, man. like I used to laugh about them but like he he hit Christian Kirk in the face with the football and he dropped it Davis dropped two before he finally got his third I think he had three touchdown passes on one drive this last week like I'm at least able to see with my eyes that his team is definitely that's not even talk about Calvin Ridley that dude drops so many touchdowns that's unreal that's why I'm still going to give it to Trevor Lawrence just he's got the rest of this season before. for like I'll throw him out completely.

Now normally I'm the guy that throw him out completely, but this is one player I don't want to talk about. I don't want to talk about him. I don't want to do it. Okay. So I would like, I'm just going to look at the board and tell you what I want and you can go back on me.

No, go ahead. I want, okay. I guess exactly where you cut off the tier is you can quibble over. I want Mahomes in the great tier. I want Richardson in the potential tier. And I want Lawrence.

down a tier. I don't think I can put Mahomes in the great tier. He's been bad for two years. So I'm now going to make the argument you've made about so many players through this entire exercise, and that it's his dynasty value, Thomas. Think about the market value that Patrick Mahomes is going to hold, even if he keeps playing like this.

I don't think he's ever going to be considered outside of a, to count them, outside of a top 10 dynasty QB, or a top 8 Dynasty QB. I can't count what's on the screen right now. So Jordan Love was the QB 10 drafted last year. He was drafted at the 206. Are you telling me that at his current age and the way this team is operating

if he continues to play at this 13 to 14 point rate throughout the season, which I hate to tell you, I don't see that changing in terms of his fantasy production for the rest of the year unless they trade for somebody significant, which they don't do. I don't think he's drafted in the first round next year. I don't. He's going to be 30.

Let's have a look. I mean, he could not be drafted in the first round next year, and he would still belong above a tier, above Caleb Williams and above Dak Crescott and Justin Herbert. I don't think, I don't think Patrick Mahomes will be worth more than Kayla Williams this time next year. I don't.

Caleb Williams, if he continues, right, his last two games, 23, 26 points, new rushing number, like, number one pick. in a good offense

finishes as a top eight quarterback you don't think he passes Patrick Mahomes I know that Patrick Mahomes if he finishes like QB 18 QB 19 on the year I don't know dude fantasy dynasty value is fickle Mahomes barely produced last year

and his value didn't shift like at all his value definitely shifted he was still a top five pick in every single startup you did the soft definitely not in everyone I did that's for sure I did see Justin Jefferson and lamb go above him a couple of times yeah but i don't know dude i have a hard time with it i have a hard time with it maybe i'm maybe i'm just totally wrong uh it's also not one year by the way um

it's now going into two years there's also so there are also a lot of excuses for mahomes too like obviously there are a lot of excuses or kind of died like i i can just feel us getting back into startup mode in February and saying, yeah, of course we're ranking Pat Mahomes. Of course I'm taking Pat Mahomes at the turn of a dynasty startup in the first round. He already went at 108 two weeks ago. When I did in the startup that I just had just finished like a week and a half ago, he went and that's probably efficient, but you've ranked him behind solidly at least eight quarterbacks.

These aren't ranks though. These are just, this is just a tier. I don't care about where he's positioned within this tier. Okay. If a tier implies that you would rank him above all of the. the guys in the tier below him. Isn't that the point of a tier? We're not ordering within the tiers, but I would think the tiers at least have some bearing on what we think of these guys. I want all of the guys in the great tier for fantasy production above Patrick Mahomes right now.

And I think you're insane to not. They all provide you're Patrick Mahomes. I agree. I would rather have all of these guys than Patrick Mahomes right now. I just think he's a tier above. I still think he's in the tier with them. I would rank him last in the tier very clearly. I don't think I would happily take here with Trevor Lawrence and Dak Prescott. I would take, okay, so that if your issue is with Trevor Lawrence, I'm happy to move Trevor

Lawrence down, but I would, if someone was willing to give me which they would never do this by the way, it's just not something that would ever be possible in a league right now. And unless you send me screenshots of it happening, and then if you send me the screenshot of it happening, it better have

the user ID of the player who traded it to you so I can search up their fucking league history and availability to make sure it's not your alt account. But no one is sending you Caleb Plus for Patrick Mahomes. His values already there. No one's sending you Burrow Plus for Patrick Mahomes.

No one's going to send you Jordan Love Plus to tear down to Patrick Mahomes or tier sideways to Patrick Mahomes. And I would argue that there is nobody that is sending you Hertz, Stroud, Daniels, Love, Burrow, maybe Kyler, straight up for Patrick Mahomes right now. It's just not happening.

It wouldn't happen in a league right now because he's been so bad. I just don't think it would happen. Yeah, I can't put Patrick Mahomes in the great tier. And a lot of it is what Thomas just said. Like every single. I'll move guys down before I move my homes up. You tell me who I need to move down so I can keep Mahomes right where he is and I'll move them down because I agree with you with that.

I'm outvoted here. And I think in terms of in practice in terms of like how I value these guys, I agree with you. I'm not sending Mahomes plus for anybody in that tier above him. Yeah, I think I'm just a little, I'm a little offended at the idea that Mahomes, that the Chiefs can't just draft a wide receiver or sign a wide receiver. And we get exalt.

I understand that. And you know what happened? He barely produced last year. The Chiefs drafted a wide receiver in the first round and they signed a guy. And then he was a top five dynasty startup pick again. Guess what's going to happen? the year after. He was.

Guess what's going to happen when they do the exact same thing this next year? He had Rishi Rice and he was bad. When Rishie Rice started to break out last year, Patrick Mahomes started to be dog shit. He's just not the same guy in terms of that offense. I'm, he's not. Really,

I think, so the issue with Patrick Mahomes is that the Chief's defense has been too good for two years. That's the actual problem with Patron Mahomes. And they run the ball entirely too much. I am so sick of seeing a halfback dive into the A gap 22 times a game. I'm so fucking sick of it. But that's how they're, this is what I'm saying.

They don't care until the fourth quarter till the end of the year in the playoffs. And it's going to hamper his production. Like Keith said in the chat, he's not running around. He's not doing the insane creating. And I'm sorry, but Tyree kills not walking through the door next week. I mean,

he could trade for him, I guess, maybe. But he's not. That Patrick Mahomes isn't walking through the door next week. I just don't think he is. I think they're in their winning Super Bowls era, and that's what they care about. And that's controlling the game.

I would be interested to actually see what the pace of play is, to be honest with you. Do you have that? I'm pretty sure they're running at a fairly slow pace of play right now, which also sucks. I think obviously his talent is always going to be there, but if you took the name off the back of the jersey and looked at his production and this kind of fall off,

I think we'd be staring at him being, now he's in a position, unfortunately, where volume and touchdown efficiency matters for Patrick Mahomes because he has one game above 30 rushing yards, two games with 20 rushing yards, and then like a two for three,

a six for 17, and a five for 12. So the chiefs are... So it depends how you kelk pace. I think most commonly people think of it as just plays per game. So Kansas City is actually top six in plays for game right now. But in terms of like seconds

elapsed per play, they are bottom eight. So they're sustaining drives, so having a lot of plays, but they're not like running the offense at a fast pace. Yeah, exactly what I feared. And like I said,

he's also just not running the ball. So now let me ask you a legitimate question because this is going to set the tone in terms of pylons and how I view quarterbacks that aren't elite scramblers. I said this for the other guys that don't rush the ball often, right?

we either need 400 to 500 rushing yards or you need 4,500 passing yards and 38 touchdown passes. Is Patrick Mahomes touching that? No, his defense is too good. His defense is too good.

I agree with all of these things. I am benching Mahomes every single week in Superflex leagues. I can't put that guy in the great tier. So I can put him in this tier. He still projects as a top 24 quarterback every I don't think that's not great though unless you have a

but that's not benching him in super flex unless you have two other top 24 I have benched him for Gino I have benched him for okay uh who oh my god who else I was really disgusting the one time you're gonna tell me you bench but it will like to love us or something you're still playing him

in suit in I'm not insane I'm not insane let's let's just be real hold on let me pull it up I know I have it here somewhere so I Ryan, I do agree with you that I think that Patrick Mahomes, like, Superflex draft value. I'm benching him for wasting this week. There you go.

There's one. Get benched. It is going to be hovering around the turn by due, at least for me, whenever I'm drafting, I'm going to be disappointed if I don't, like, after Burrow, if I don't get him, I'm going to be disappointed in the next tier. I've already said my piece on Murray. I lost that one. but after borough i'm disappointed if i was wanting to get one of those top quarterbacks

like sure yeah mohomes is the next one fine but that's whenever i'm going to start putting in some position players in between there but let's let's also yeah go ahead go ahead go ahead well i was going to say like yes this is these are just tears it's not specific ranks yes that will probably for a very long time have patrick mahomes ranked higher than he's going to produce because we know he's so good. We know what the situation is. We know what he also can potentially do if he ever decides to turn it on or get more consistent production or, you know, the chief's defense sucks again. Like, we, we know that what he can do. It's just, it's so tough right now to be drafting him above the other players in the great tier or to not feel disappointed if you are wanting to go

with one of these top quarterbacks and you don't get one of them. And Mahomes is the next one there. You know where it gets dangerous is having to draft a guy simply because his name is Patrick Mahomes. And that's dangerous. In that statement, you sneak so many things in. So in a sense, yeah, it's not because of his current production that you'd be drafting Patrick Mahomes. I agree with that, obviously. And I agree with all the things we've laid out. But when you say, oh, you're drafting him because of his name.

No, you're not drafting him because of his name. you're drafting him because of the skill set and that we know he has. It's not like just his name. It's what we would project him to do in a neutral situation compared to a neutral situation for any other quarterback, right? He's just in a sub-neutral situation when it comes to fantasy production right now because the defense is so good, because the play calling has leaned so far towards the balanced end because there aren't any weapons in the passing game right now. But all of that can change in literally one offseason. So the whole thing.

And this is super flex. I would extend you in Olive Branch where if we were doing one QB rankings, I'd be totally with you. I'd be like, yeah, screw it. Like Mahomes never offering that plus above replacement level production. I'd be totally fine with him in this tier if this was a one QB type of league. But it being super flex where a floor at quarterback, a longer term stability, quarterback where I know Patrick Mahomes is always going to be in the mix, is always going to be able to roll the dice every single offseason to see if that situation changes. That's valuable

to me. That's more valuable to me than potential to be great but good. That's, I know that that value is going to sustain. I know I'm not going to click. And I'm not even saying I'm going to be happy to click Mahomes' name at like at the turn of a startup next year or whatever if like if everything stays the same. But I know I'm never, I know I'm not getting killed on that, right? I know that's not, I know that's not the pick that sinks my team in that startup. Okay. Let's look at it this way. Don't laugh, Lucas. Patrick Mahomes, all he needed was that wide receiver.

They drafted him. His name was Rashid Rice. Rashid Rice broke out. Mahomes somehow got worse. The NFL changed so they played defense and all of a sudden Patrick Mahomes not the same player. They found a way to beat it. And that's what they're beating. So why I'm okay with him being in potential to be great. I don't think he's ever, I don't think he's ever elite tier quarterback again, because again, what those kind of guys have to do to be there. Like, like Burrow, 4,500, 4,700 yards, 35 touchdowns. I'm game. Hell yeah. That would, to me, boom. Awesome. I love that shit. That next, that next tier, I don't think

So that's where I draw the line. So right now, let's run the checklist. Not producing vastly above these other guys. Agreed. His dynasty value, always going to be there. Agreed. Love that. Patrick Mahomes has had multiple elite upper tier seasons.

Love that. Is he really good at playing to the position of quarterback? Absolutely. Does he have the potential to be really great again? Should a few different scenarios come to for, in the off season? Absolutely. That to me is the very definition of the potential to be great, but he's still good, which is why he belongs smack dead in the tier that he's in. I think we need just a Mahomes tier, just a tier by himself.

Okay, just add a Mahomes tier in between the two. Because I think we've been arguing about this for 20 minutes. We've been arguing for 20 minutes and I think all of us have Mahomes ranked at the same spot, but we're just arguing. I mean, I don't know. I think, I think that we, We, two of us have them in the same spot. But I would take these other guys over Patrick Mahomes and Dynasty. I just would. Also, I see the conversation in the chat. These guys, the numbers don't matter.

Yes, I would drop the Andre Hopkins from McMillan. Yeah, Hopkins is dead. I love, I actually love the question from Super Dave Arsalae, because, yeah, yeah, it's not ranks within the tears. But I love that I have no idea if, wow, how is ARC? QB 14 is like complimentary or insulting of AR. Yeah. I have no idea what side of that you're on. I just know that you're exasperated either way. Yeah. I think he we can't

put him any higher. He's been legitimately terrible. Like you can see though where the fancy value is going to lie. Oh yeah. And his rushing and all he does is the high value like plays. So I can't put him down in producers just because of how much. potentials there. Yeah, I didn't want to make them a homest here. I was told to being a company man here. I understand. I understand Ryan's points and end the chat and how I'm so like,

I feel like I'm so off-kiltered. I don't think it's going to be that way. I don't think my take here is going to be like outside of the norm for very long. I'm just maybe I'm just a little ahead. And in no part have I said that he can't. I'm actually curious. I have no idea. I have not looked at that website in a while.

I will just throw out there just to add insult to entry. Joe Flacco has been worth twice as many wins per game as Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Yeah. It's hilarious to me. But so he's the Cube 7 above Borough and Hertz right now on KTC. So just to be clear, Thomas, in the like in the dynasty community, I'm on your side. Yeah, go, go trade them.

I'm trying to, yeah, I'm just going the party line a little bit here. I bet everyone, if you have Patrick Mahomes, go offer Patrick Mahomes for any of the guys in the tier above and get back to me and then send me that person's username so I contract their dynasty rosters and see if they're good players or not. Because that's now how I dictate it because I get a lot of people that are like, I just traded, you know, Patrick Mahomes for four first yesterday. Send me the username.

And I'm going to type him in at South Harmon. I'm going to type his username into South Harmon. Check his sleeper leagues. and if he's continuously ranked in like seventh and beyond, I don't take your trade into consideration. Oh, I don't need one know where I am there. I didn't realize something. Yeah, that's...

Yeah, it is. I can see everyone's teams. So I know, I know where everyone is drafted in every league that they ever draft on Sleeper at any time. You can track that stuff. So, yeah, keep that in mind when you join leagues, by the way. I do it for every league that I'm in for every user,

every manager, everyone should be. Get the edge. All right. let's talk about producers because I think 25 minutes on Patrick Mahomes is way too, way too long. Should we talk about Anthony Richardson? I mean, I think we sums it up pretty quickly there.

I think we wait until Jacobs back to if we want to. I think that's fair. Can I just read this program? Can I just rehash the, um, yeah, that's fine. There's also ways to do it on FFPC,

by the way. Um, can you, anywhere that has like an API you can do it it takes way more work to do it but you can program AI to do it pretty easily long as I can get the API in the username you can do it Toronto Dave so so what's y'all thoughts on my homes get out here man not not reading the rum Toronto Dave I I co-manage quite a few FFPC teams yeah I hate their platform. I think it looks like shit. Speaking of Richardson, drop him for

2-0 Rust Rogers, Herbert Lawrence, and May 6-point passing touchdowns. Or drop Whittington. I would drop Whittington. Get him out of there. Cooper Cup trade or not. I'd get him out of there for redraft. I don't see the high-end ceiling for him. Even when Cup is gone. When he was the number one guy, I didn't see the high-end ceiling.

Okay. I have started to add some players to producers. We shall see if there's arguments, but I don't agree it. Honestly. Where's J.J. McCarthy? Get him in there.

Yeah, he's producing a lot right now. And producers. Yeah. Well, I can't put him in that tier of great, the chance to be, or good, but the chance to be great. But let's be real here. You're not, you're not getting them for, like, Brock Purdy for the most part. No. I agree.

Like, ranking wise, yes, that's where I would have J.G. McCartney is just like with the doffs, the party. Yeah. The right tier, though, is the promise tier. It's just with the way that it's ordered right now. Like, fine, you can put them in the promise tier just for on that fucking technicality. There you go. I'll move that up.

Make it just a little bit happier. There you go. All right. There we go. I like that. I like that. There we go. Compromising.

Can we put Bryce Young and like doomed forever? Can that be a tier? That's called Don't Care, unfortunately. That's below John Watson here. That's below. Well, Deshawn Watson's prison. Can we make it prison and then just make it orange?

Because that's why I'd like him to be. Deshawn Watson's down here and the he will not be moved up. Okay. Fair. Fair, fair, fair, fair. Okay. All right. Producers.

How about Tua? Two of the producers. Perfect. Okay. Does Tua have like a legitimate case for MVP right now? Like that team is in shambles. No one has improved. I would love that.

That would make me so happy. just from like an NFL discourse perspective as if we get to talk about MVP I think I think average I think Gino belongs in average okay fair enough they have the highest pass rate over expectations in the league and he's like still not performing

in my opinion to where I thought he would I think he's great I think he's like a great QV2 in Dynasty because I'm playing him over Patrick Mahomes so there you go but yeah he's he's He's not even like a week to week top end producer. So I'll put him down there. Trevor Lawrence is only in the producers tier because of his dynasty value.

That makes sense? I think that makes sense. Let's put Derek Carr an average. Let's put Derek Carr an average. Okay. Any other producers first. Can we talk about Bonix? I think we should talk about Bo Nix.

He's producing. He's producing. He looks ugly doing it. Oh yeah. He definitely has the mobility. Yeah, he looks, it all looks terrible. I would never, would never dispute that, but I said that Bo Nix is Tim Tebow without Jesus on his side. He's, he's, he's, he's Tim Tebow with a V6, not a V8.

Like he, he looks as ugly throwing the football and he runs as much, but like less effectively somehow in both. Somebody I saw on Twitter, somebody said that him throwing. between two guys was him trying to throw to Demarius Thomas and I like fell out of my chair for how out of pocket that comment was but I so funny

yeah out of pocket comment but I thought it was hilarious um did y'all do tight ends already yeah we are yeah we're talking fantasy production here so uh bo nix gets in on fantasy production Ferguson and otton

i agree Ferguson was down to tier and otton was up a little bit of a tier. You can head back, Nigel. That was very descriptive, Thomas. Hey, I'm just that's all I can remember right now. It's hard being me in this chair in this job. I have to

keep my, my on-show host from not reading Reddit threads and keeping Lucas awake and talking. This is a very difficult position to be in. You don't know what it's like. I am talking. I'm just still processing the, he's trying to throw to Demarius Thomas.

And we're just moving. on from this but that is about the one hour mark if you're wanting more specific on when that was producers though do we put kirk cousins an average i think kirk cousins goes in average get stafford into average he's been average all right that's fine yeah that's all fine with me we need to put do we put russ into average he has out scored so he has outscored patrick mohomes in his last like 20 games, by the way. Yeah. One game, I want to see more than one game.

I do want to see more than one game, but he was like a, he was one of the easiest buys in the off season because people were still drafting Justin Fields over him. He sucks so bad. God, he sucks. So bad. He's so bad at playing the position of quarterback.

Can we put Sam Darnold in the average category? We know he is producing, but yet we also know that he is average. at the position. Are we still not on like the Darnold's getting a second contract train? He is, but I don't think. I think no, no, no, no, no. I think he's getting a second.

I already told you. I think there's a trade in place already with the Rams. And I did. Right. Yeah, that's my conspiracy theory, tin hat theory. Okay. But no, I think the Rams are one of the only spots where he's like as a possibility of being successful because it's the right system.

He's in the nut spot. I don't think there could literally be a better spot for him. And he's a Caucasian former first round quarterback. Of course he's getting another opportunity at a large contract. Let's be honest. Now the NFL operates. So he's going to get another shot. He is going to get somewhere.

But in terms of producer, we're already seeing him regress to like bad glimpses of old Darnold to the point where now the Vikings are apparently, if you believe the report openly talking about trading for a quarterback, while they have one loss on their record. So the Vikings might be looking at it and going, going, nah, we're good. Just a thought here.

Penix on here? No, Pinnix is not on here. He would obviously go in the promise to here. I don't know who else really. Justin Fields go average. Justin Fields goes average. He is average. He produces fantasy points when he plays,

but he is average and he doesn't have the value of producers. Again, I want to just put Levis and don't care. Yeah, he doesn't. I don't care about him. I was, I probably don't need to have an I'm very happy. I was too wrong. You want to argue pro-Levis?

No, that's what I'm saying. I don't think I have it in me. Okay, good. Here's, I'll say this about Will Levis. I will say this about Will Levis. Oh, yeah, it's more than just an ankle injury for Godwin. Oh, my God. Brutal, it is over.

I guess not surprising, yeah. Yeah, the thing with Levis is I think, remember in the off season? I said they fake, put talent around him. I believe that. I think they still send him up for failure. And I think Callahan is a dufus in terms of play calling.

Right? What did I say? He hadn't called significant play since like 2009. I remember saying that on the podcast. And like he's stubborn. I'm sorry. Yes, Calvin really had eight targets and no catches.

You can't call a slip screen. You can't call any sort of gimmicky something to get him the ball. Like that's on him. At a certain point, that's like I'm playing my system. They gave him like an end around rush attempts. Yeah, that's how the,

but like they can't get him a screen. They can't be creative to get him the football at all, even though like, but yeah, when Mason Rudolph is like deemed better for your offense than you, I don't care about you. If you have anything good, feel free to DM me,

but I don't care about him. I'm taking the L. I believed enough that I took him as like my third or fourth quarterback on teams. I'll take that L. DeShon Watson doesn't even get ranked. fuck that guy. He doesn't even get a ranking. So yeah,

obviously. Can you take Adena Connell's stupid far-of-looking face off the screen for me? I don't want to look at him. I'm sick of looking at his stupid smiling face. Get him off. Get him off my screen. So obviously we're missing panics here. Yes.

I think that. Are we missing anyone else? I'll do a quick scan. I mean, James Winston, I think he gets the opportunity. Not serious. okay thank god oh you scared me rattler yeah i think james winston is probably under average um

biggest thing is yeah i take james over any of the guys and don't care right now literally just for what i think the production jo flaco drew lock get out of here yeah joe flacco would go an average yeah that guy i don't i was talking about this in the discord uh with uh buck and uh Alex Bacera the other day, or earlier today. I don't know why I always say the other day. That's such a me thing to say. I meant today. Flacco should have been starting since his exodus out of Baltimore.

And if he had, he'd be like a top 10 career passing yards player. He has a Super Bowl. He has a Super Bowl MVP. All a Fame player. But no, he just has to go and be the best backup. The NFL is like ever seen. But that's fine. Whatever.

As long as he passes the other Italian stallion, Vinie Testa, will be happy with our Italian goat. Um, Khalif Raymond without Jamo would ball out. I agree. You're not wrong. God, Jameson Williams. I can't believe you people trick me into them. All you guys coming at me about my takes.

The PEDs tricked him into, tricked you into him. Yeah, that's what I'll say. To send a first for him. Wow, Thomas. I believed. I believed. I got fake called out for my takes and I bought in and now I'm laughing my ass off. Oh, can I take the Jamo?

Well, I guess I haven't taken the Jamo. because I touted him really relentlessly for DFS last week, and Jacob's not here to cry over DFS takes with me after the podcast. But yeah, I had a lot of JMO in DFS this week and told a lot of people to play in for his splits against the blitz. But no, it was a Monro who continued to dominate against the Flores splits. I even thought shit to Brett Whitefield continuously about James and how he wasn't going to do anything.

And then I let two games trick me into it. I listened to Brett after two games. I'm going to suck to my guns a little bit more. Luckily, I only did it once. So there you go. Love that. All right, that's quarterbacks. Anything else?

What are we missing? So I will ask, like, if there's one quarterback you see on here that you feel like can make a tear jump before the end of the season, who would it? Uh,

a tier jump? Yeah, a tier jump. I was going to say Drake May. For the lulls, let's say Patrick Mahomes. You'd finally, get out of his own tier.

I was going to say Caleb Williams. I'll say both of them. I'll say both Caleb and May. And I'll say Lawrence should Press Taylor finally get fired. If Press Taylor and Doug Peterson are gone and he somehow lights it up towards the end of the year, we're going to get a new, we're going to get a new wave of Trevor Lawrence, Hopium from Jacob Sanderson. which will single-handedly push his ADP up.

Let's do waiver wire pickups, please. One from each fantasy football analysts. That will be on tomorrow's podcast. We, Buck and I will be doing that. We'll be recording that tomorrow. Dynasty waivers are pretty dead. Do you guys have any? For Dynasty, I like glanced at my waivers and did not see much.

Yeah. There was a, I'm trying to mentally go through the names right now. I only think of waivers in terms of redraft, which is probably what makes the most sense. Like, if Jen, if Juan Jennings got dropped after he got hurt and everyone came back, pick him up, I guess. Not in any dynasty leagues. I already checked that one. But yeah, no.

I'm saying, you know what, I'll do this. I will plug the everything report. J.T. Sanders is definitely not on any dynasty waiver wire and any that I'm in because he would be on my roster. But that's hard for me to speak on. Like, there's no one's on every. There's no way.

I don't think McMillan is like, I look at it this way. Do you know how bad you have to be as a rookie to get dropped on dynasty waivers on anything that has a bench like beyond like 12 players? Now look, Ricky Pearson is definitely not on waivers, Uncle Ted. Ted. I was going to say,

Cedric Tillman, we talked about him at the beginning of the show. We're going to talk about him here at the end when we sign off. But Cedric Tillman is definitely one. You know what? Look, that's the tiers. Let's run through the tears real quick.

We have got Mahomes and Allen at the very top. The top of the top. Cream of the crop. All right. You have Lamar and Alan. Is that what I said? No, you said Mahomes.

You guys have got me. You really want to put him up there, Thomas. You guys have got me talking about Mahomar and. homes so much that he's now in my brain appreciate that no i'm never picking up givon baker or are you saying how bad you have to be then yes you're givon baker but jvon baker

is still on a ton of taxi squads that's the thing about dynasty taxi saves these guys from getting cut um anyway we have lamar yeah exactly we have lamar and josh allen yeah it's a freudian slip thanks t d then we have uh hurts stroud daniels love burrow kiler and i was reluctant to put Kyler. I'm never picking up Bailey Zappy.

Patrick Mahomes is on his own tier because Ryan and I couldn't decide. Yeah, and I know they just signed them, but I'm not picking him up. Even if he plays, he's going to suck. Caleb Williams, Drake May, Dak Prescott, Herbert, and AR. And then we've got in the producers tier, Lawrence, he's there only by dynasty value only because he's not producing. Purdy I'm interested to see what happens with Baker now

if Baker was like a product of this environment or if he actually turned the corner can't wait for John Arrington's excuses on that one Jared Goff Tua last name I can never pronounce right and Bo Nix in the promise we have J.J. McCarthy

was a posthumous sounds like he died with an honorary Michael Pennix and the average category even though they might be producing a little bit. They are like we know what they are. It is Gino Smith, Kirko Chains, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rogers, Derek Carr, Russ Wilson, Sam Darnold, and Justin Fields, enjoy the bench, buddy. And don't

care. We've got Bryce Young, Will Levis, Jacoby Brissette is just on here because his face was already here, that stupid mustache, Gardner Minchu, and Daniel Jones, I can't throw a touchdown pass at home. So there you go. Not mentioned. Uh, should be in prison Deshawn Watson. My honorary should be in prison. I'm stashing

Rashine Ali and Jalen Coker. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. Like dynasty waivers. Yeah. If Jacob Cowink is still out there, I think that he was definitely

somebody you should be stashing too. I don't know how many leagues where he will be because he was a rookie who had a pulse. So, you know, he's on a taxi squad this year.

but if he is out there yeah pick him up we'll be right back we get back we're going to finish this thing out and do our player picks and get the heck out of here the tight all right i lost ryan there for a second i don't know what happened just now oh lucas probably canceled out his uh yeah i'm sorry yeah yeah i thought he's being helpful Lucas is trying to produce the show here um that's okay next week you're hosting so i didn't tell you this but i may not be here next week so you'll be hosting i might miss one of my one shows of the year

next week. So there you go. I could make Ryan host, I guess, but it doesn't seem to want to. All right, let's do player picks and get the hell out of here. Jacob's not here, but he is handedly in the lead again. 464.46. He is crushing us. Then we got Lucas

303.8.86. Ryan 292.14. And I am making a comeback at 289.22. I am taking wild, big swings and misses if anyone that doesn't know what this game is we may be a dynasty show but we need to have something to brag about at the end of the year so dynasty points does the post live

NFL draft show because I love being live for 12 straight hours I find it super fun and invigorating being sarcastic but I do enjoy talking to all of you guys um my butt just gets very tired it's rough I need a stand up desk maybe for this year. But what we like to do is we take a quarterback and a running back outside of the top 15, a wide receiver outside of the top 30 and a tight end outside of the top 12. And we pick who we think is going to produce the best. We tell you up the points at the end of the year.

The winner, which is going to be Jacob, now we have to find like a fun second place prize to the rest of us can enjoy the rest of the season. And we take it all the way through the regular season. We total up the points in the winner picks the beverages. The other hosts are drinking during the live draft. show last year. Jacob forced us to have pickleback shots and I regretted every decision I've ever made in my life. Don't even want to think about the four course drink menu he's about to put out next year because there will be four hosts. So not looking forward to that at all.

Jacob's not here. I will start with his picks. He's going Anthony Richardson, J.K. Dobbins, Rome Adunzei, and Cade Otten. We'll go with number two next. That's you, Ryan, who you got this week. It's actually not me. Lucas actually passed me last week. Did he? Oh, that's right. 303.86. I played Jonathan Taylor because Jacob baited me into it.

That's what happens. You score 14.6 points in a week. You drop unless you're Jacob. If you have 150 point lead. Yeah. So people I'm going with this week, we'll see if Russell Wilson can keep it two weeks in a row of producing. Alvin Camer, surprisingly, outside of the top 15 running backs.

And we just know the workload will be there. Just got a huge contract. Yeah. Hopefully you can have just enough production. Khalil Shakir is still very involved in the bill's offense. And the offense after the first half looked really good. And we'll see if Mark Andrews can, you know, keep some magical life, fall into the end zone at least one time this week.

And I will be a very happy man. I'm telling you that I feel like the red zone usage is back for him, if anything. He should have had three. he should have had three he was wide open again the beautiful tip pass uh okay ryan who you got so i have james winston against the baltimore ravens uh i'm probably playing that a lot in dfs this week too so just figured i'd get that going right now uh james connor against the dolphins connor had like literally every backfield touch last week uh keenan allen against the commanders and then hunter henry against the jets yeah that

Those are good Hunter Henry, man. He is potential league winner, really, in tight and premium leagues. He was so cheap and has been so cheap. Just truly insane. I need to take a big swing. I'm taking four big swings. I could end up with eight points this week. Like, this is brutal.

I'm taking Tua. He's talk about coming back. Very adamant he's not wearing the guardian cap because he's dumb, very dumb. Very dumb. I don't want to do guardian cap argument right now, but I never continue. This dude is one hit away from being a cardboard box on the field, and he should be wearing one. Just any bit of extra protection.

They should bubble wrap around his helmet and force him to only slide on his knees and not head first. Anything we can do to protect this man, we need to do. But I'm also taking, if he plays this week, though, insane. Insane, he gets Arizona, insane, what they're going to be able to do on offense and what they need him to do. we got javanti he gets carolina come on we're taking that bet two touchdowns we need a baby cedric tillman which we did talk about uh he looked really good in terms of his raw production uh he out alphaed jerry judy which i mean not surprised jerry judy's getting out out alfred by some rando on his team not surprising given what we know about jerry judy and i'm taking

Jatavian Sanders to maintain his production in that game, hoping it is a high production game. So there you go. We've got two of Javante Tillman and Sanders. And just for fun, we're going to answer this last question because Armin showed up at 11.11 p.m. Central Time. Dynasty 10 team superflex, tight end premium PPR.

Would you trade Chris Alave and a 253rd for Pitts and Lad? Yes, I would do that. Anyone else? yeah i i think i'm agreeing there i'm on the pits and lad side like alave and lad can't be that far off right alave has been like mid i mean the value makeup is really pits to the third yeah that's the biggest one if you're taking a value loss on alave you're gaining up so much with that that's a cheap kyle pits in my opinion in the tight end premium no i'm cool with that yeah this is a this is a smash pick uh final thoughts right

Going first. Me? Okay. Yeah, final thoughts. You can find me on Twitter at Ryan J. underscore Heath in terms of my content this week that you should look out for. First, I would say, yeah, yes, I'm the master of clickbait this week. I'm sorry, that's the last time I'm going to say it. I'm sorry. No, it's good. It's good, man. It's fucking egregious. No, I do a little bit of clickbaiting. I would say first, go and read and check out the everything. report on fantasy points.com right now. It is free this week only. Scott Barrett is an absolute madman. It's 12,000 words of absolutely everything you could possibly need to know about what happened in week seven and what you need to know for your fantasy teams for the rest of the season. Go read it. Go absorb it. Yeah, it's unbelievable that there's no paywall on it this week. We'll not be the case likely for the rest of the season. So go check that out. And then you can find me right here on the Fantasy Points YouTube channel

live Friday night with Jake Trivy for the underdog drafter party. Yeah, it's a really good time. Come check us out. Lucas. Yeah, so you can find me on Twitter at El Gilbert FF each Tuesday and putting out war six different leagues. Only place on the internet where we do Flex and Super Flex War.

So make sure you are checking that out. I've been publishing war articles. Haven't done more in a couple weeks, so we will see if another war article comes out this week, but also doing stuff for Fantasy Points and prize picks. And the new Pickfinder that we have live on the site started out as a Google sheet. And thanks to some magic from Brock and everybody at Fantasy Points, it is an awesome new tool that we have on the site. Make sure you are using promo code score more to get $50.

in funds whenever you deposit just $5 into a price point or price picks account. Super easy way to win some money. Published an article on it last week. My picks were interesting. Didn't do particularly great. I missed one or two lines by one and a half yards. Really stuck. Yeah.

And then also we had, you know, the whole Tank Dell thing. which just put me in just a terrible mood. So, yeah, not the best first week for me to be doing those articles, but it can only go up from here. So make sure you're staying tuned to that, doing it both the articles for the NFL side, but we have both college football and NFL picks. And the site has already been updated for this week.

So make sure you're checking it out. Matt Dogs got an interesting trade question that I think we should answer. B. Rob and Marvin Harrison, Jr., for my Higgins and Amari Cooper. We just smash that, right? The 199 Super Chat. Super did not need to do that, but we appreciate you. Yeah, I think he...

Just on a value, you have to smash that. Yeah, I think you just take the Marvin Harrison side and don't ask any more questions, especially 10 team, like the elite talent's going to matter more. He has Nico, Drake, London, Higgins. Yeah, Marvin Harrison Jr. is sliding as your wide receiver three. and you have Pickens who now is going to like kind of cancel out Amari rest of season in my opinion

yeah you're good baby take that deal get B Rob and Harrison that's a smash that's a smash that's a smash absolute smash you killed it you don't have to be in shambles like I know you're 5 and 2 your team is good you'll get Nico back you're good baby take that deal

my final thoughts are always the same we have fun here and you should too and if you want live streams every day over on TikTok you can get them at fantasy Pt over there. You're going to get more live streams there. You're going to get more live streams on Twitch.

You're going to get more stages, whether it's with myself, Buck, Ryan, anyone else that wants to do Dynasty stages. Those are going to be available to everybody in the Discord, which is free to get to right now. We have so much content. Obviously, Dynasty Market Report.

We'll be out again. It'll be on the Dynasty Points podcast feed tomorrow. And then it'll be on the main feed Sunday morning. You guys absolutely loved the Sunday morning Dynasty contents. We're going to drop more of it for you. That makes all seven days a week fantasy points is putting out content for you.

Truly remarkable. You guys are awesome. We love you. Nico is back on by week 14. I don't know when he's back. I just have to interrupt. I'm sorry. Crack Rock has come out and said that the Stafford to Minnesota stuff isn't true.

And I... Who is Crack Rock? Are you serious? Yeah. crack rock like the most reputable anonymous Twitter insider. Oh, really? A lot of anonymous insider.

No, I'm serious though. He's been right on basically everything. He leaked the, he called the, the Trump arraignment or indictment or whatever it was like a week before. He has actual sources. He actually talks to the NFL owners.

All right. All right. I'll take that for what you're worth. As long as it's not a pretty ricky scenario. He's, he's tarnished all those dudes for me. But yeah. Crack Rock was way before Pretty Ricky.

Oh, okay. He just stole his vibe. Got you. I understand. Yeah, that's, we have just, again, we have a ton of content. So, we thank all you guys for it. We love you. Remember that Clarism and Full Horse can never lose your best days. Or it's been tilting. Patron and Home and the River, bye, bye.