Fantasy Football Daily - Dynasty Fantasy Football Burning Questions | Dynasty Points

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

The dynasty fantasy football off-season comes with so many burning questions. The Fantasy Points Dynasty Points team, Jakob, Thomas, and Lucas, are here to guide you through your off-season with progressive thinking and problem-solving in ways you won't find anywhere else. Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ (0:00) - Intro (4:15) - Break (4:40) - Hot Questions in Dynasty Fantasy Football (5:00) - Are QBs undervalued outside of a startup or just not liquid assets? (20:15) - Break (21:50) - What are we doing with Rashee Rice? (35:40) - Break (35:50) - Michael Penix Jr. Value Breakdown (49:15) - Break (49:25) - When should we be drafting Marshawn Lloyd? (57:30) - How are we handling the large flat tier from the early 2nd through the 3rd (1:09:30) - What % exposure of Kimaini Vidal is the goal? (1:26:45) - How do Rookie misses change your process? (1:32:30) - What is Roschon Johnson’s dynasty value? (1:34:20) - Why is Caleb Williams the 1.01 if QBs are illiquid assets? (1:38:00) - 20 team league strategy (1:40:30) - Devy Hot Takes (1:42:00) - Chris Olave compared to the top 3 rookies (1:44:20) - Closing out the show Where to find us: / elnostrathomas / Jakob Sanderson / LGilbertFF FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - / fantasypts Facebook - / fantasypts Instagram - / fantasypts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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you're still tuning in. Maybe ordered some Raycons in between to, to hear us a little better. Whatever, whatever it may be. Okay, hashtag sponsors. Okay. we have as always four questions lined up that we are going to hit on and hopefully not take 55 minutes to get through just that portion don't know how that's going to go but we're going to absolutely try and like I said I will try to find a way to trigger Jacob at some point today number one question that I have today and this stems from something personal this is something that I have seen this is part of a conversation

that I have witnessed and it made me sick a little bit. But I want to know if quarterbacks are undervalued or illiquid, as you put it, outside of a startup. Because we always talk about, you know, you want to acquire in Superflex, of course, is what we play, Superflex, Titan Premium League specific. If you have a question outside of that, I apologize. Try your best to apply this or ask us a question and we'll try our best to apply it. But trying to acquire these quarterbacks can be a nightmare, but I find trying to sell these quarterbacks to tier sideways

is the biggest nightmare. So, Jacob, you were hitting on this before we hit the start button. Let's kick this off. I feel like they're illiquid outright. Well, I agree with you about the illiquid part, which was, you know, we had a kind of a discussion pre-show. We were asking about they're undervalued. And I don't think that they're undervalued.

I do think they're illiquid. And specifically in this, I'm meaning like the top tier of course. quarterbacks. Quarterbacks were worth, you know, more than a first in most trade markets. And of course, we're always talking about superflex, to be clear. And the reason I think they're a liquid is just it's a math problem. You know, everyone needs at least two if you're serious about competing in superflex. Nobody really wants more than three. And nobody really wants more than two that are particularly expensive. You kind of just want your third to be like a Derek Carr type, you know, sit on the bench and come in on a couple of biweeds. So when everybody sort of

wants to have the same quarterback room. Everybody is pretty incentivized to mostly stay out of each other's way, right? And in most leagues, most players in your league already have about the number of quarterbacks that they want. Part of the appeal of the elite quarterback is that they're a fairly stable asset compared to other running backs. Well, the part of that stability is that they stay there. Once you have Lamar Jackson, you have Lamar Jackson.

You already have one of your quarterbacks filled. You probably will for the entire duration of your dynasty league. So I don't think it's that they're necessarily not valuable. It's just that if you ever end up in a position and, you know, this happens every year in rookie drafts where you have the quarterback room that you want or at least you have it allocated the way you want it. And then you're up for your pick in one of your early firsts. And who's the best player on the board? It's a quarterback. And you're like, well, shit, you know, I don't want Caleb Williams.

I already have Joe Burrow and C.J. Stroud. I don't want to draft Drake May. I already have Lamar Jackson and Kyle and Murray, whatever this is. And it's just hard to trade an elite quarterback and not, you know, when you're not looking for one in return, because how many assets is it going to require for you to be, you know, happy moving that elite quarterback with your return you're getting that someone else is willing to give. It's usually quite difficult because either you're going to ask for a bunch of first.

Not every team has a bunch of first, just sitting around. Yep. Most teams that have a bunch of first, probably not looking to trade all their first. You have to find someone exactly in the spot where they just finish this rebuild and they're ready to come out of it. That might be one team, right? It might be zero teams. Or you need someone willing to upend a bunch of their lineup, a bunch of their players, right? And that's not everybody.

I'm probably more willing to do that than most, but a lot of people look at it. They don't like to take massive movement changing things around in their lineup. It can be scary for people. Yeah, it can. it can be stressed with people. People would rather just put a band-aid on it. But the reason why I don't think that they're undervalued is because I think that this also applies in reverse.

If you want to go buy an elite quarterback and you're not bringing one to the table yourself, that's equally difficult, right? Now you're going, you know, you put yourself in the other shoes. Now you're scanning through, okay, who has one to sell? That's also probably only one or two people, right? Most of the people that have these elite quarterbacks, they might only have one.

They probably only have two. It's very few that they're going to have three and they just have one perfectly expendable to you and you have the assets. So I think it goes both ways. You know, I still think that like if there's an actionable point of this, I still think you want to prioritize them in startups because I think having too many is still a more solvable problem than not having enough. And what I was going to get to when Lamarcus just got to in the chat here is eight starting

quarterbacks had season and surgery last year can never have enough. You know, this is the thing. It's an offseason issue where every time in the offseason, people like, I already got two quarterbacks. I'm good, right? And then when you get in season, people realize, like, you actually need three. You might need four to get through the season when there's all these injuries. And it is like that quarterback that you're at this point being like, oh, what a waste.

Having Brock Purdy is my QB3. It's just like a bunch of value that's just sitting there collecting dust. Like you're going to be grateful when you have a quarterback go down for the year in week four. And then you just look to your bench and you go, oh, sweet. I already have Brock Party on the bench. you're in the starting lineup and you're just rolling and you don't have to go and take a hit because if you want to trade for quarterback in season like you're always overpaying either you can maybe get like some bum on the cheap you know like a gardener minchu last year that's possible but if you

want to if you lose your round one starting quarterback you want to go replace it with the round one starting quarterback like you're probably having to trade your injured quarterback plus an asset to go solve a hole that's painful it's it's easier to just slide them in so i i'm not of this mindset that several people seem to be in that like how am I going to survive you know with these three top quarterbacks I need to move one I need to move one I'd like to move one but I think it's not the end of the world I've joked a bunch over the years that if you're the guy in a super flex league that needs a quarterback just staple overcharge me to your forehead because because it's coming I think that there are points where it's okay to move off that quarterback though I actually have an

example of this I traded Kyler Murray away today I traded Kyler Murray away for neighbors. This is a team that I ended up having. I have Aaron Rogers, Will Levis, Brock Purdy, and I believe another quarterback as well. And I had the 106 already. I needed to acquire some wide receivers. I was storing massive value.

Wasn't really a big issue for me to move off of one of these quarterbacks to do so. And I am here to tell you that that's okay. You are allowed to do that because it does get to a point. where stacking elite value on one team does and can become a detriment to your roster if you are indeed trying to win games. So it's okay. It is okay to trade away a quarterback for one other asset. Like that's fine.

You do not need to send a five for one, a four for two. It is okay. Lucas? I mean, there's so a few times that you're also just looking to, move that elite quarterback. There's so few situations that actually make sense for you unless your team's just so bad that you have to blow it up. That's whenever we're looking at the I only have Josh Allen and nobody else because I took the 101 with him and then tried to compete all in year one trade away everything to do it and then the tires fell off. So whatever that's happening so much

of this advice is kind of going out the window. You get what you can and there's always going to be people willing to pay whatever you need for them. Yes, it's hard to get first round picks, but getting more players to try to revamp your team, that's something that's possible. I do like the trade that you're mentioning right now, Tom. I think that that makes sense. Yes, it's not one of the top five quarterbacks right now in Dynasty, but it's still a very good quarterback, at least most people's QB1s or QB2 on just absolutely

loaded teams. So yeah, Jacob, I thought you summed it up perfectly. It's just it's so hard whenever you're looking to move top end quarterbacks to find the right blend in a team that's looking to acquire one and has the assets that actually makes sense. As we're moving outside of like the consensus top 10 quarterbacks, it does start to become a little easier, not necessarily like perfect. but there are times that you could potentially be finding Will Levisis

that you don't have to trade a quarterback for in return and that can potentially start to make sense. Same with your veterans, your Aaron Rogers, potentially Gino Smith's too with some of the uncertainty in Seattle. So there are other times that it starts to make more since they start to become more liquid just because of how much uncertainty is being baked into their price. But the ones that are like nailed down, the ones that aren't going to be moving from their teams anytime soon,

that aren't going to be seeing major changes in their value, those are definitely not really liquid assets. Right. No, it is important. And there are some burning hot questions that we have in here. Who's the QB to own in Seattle? This is still just going to be Gino Smith for me. I think Sam Howell is pretty cheap. I'm happy to roster Sam Howell and Dynasty.

Like I always want to be taking. shots on quarterback handcuffs generally, but especially quarterback handcuffs with any sort of fantasy upside and especially with like any semi plausible path to being a starter on purpose. So I preface all this was saying like as much as I am not like part of the Sam Howell fan club. I definitely think he's like very worth rostering and should be someone you're trying to target in trades. I just find him personally aggravating mostly. Mostly. Most of because he has so many earnest fans who think he's good. And so that bothers me.

So I just am biased against Sam Howell more than I normally would be a backup quarterback who's it offensive to me. But yeah, like I would roster, I mean, I would much rather roster Gino Smith because he's going to start week one. And I think as long as this team is competitive the entire season. No, and it's totally right. We've talked a lot about how as much as outside of a startup, your Patrick Mahomes should be worth for first. You're just not getting it. You're not going to get the value that you think you should.

So you either have to, A, adjust your value within that league and just accept what ends up being okay to you or hold. But you can't get mad at it because it gets to a point when you're like, no one in my league. No one in my league is going to accept my trade. No one's countering with anything of value. It's not even close. It gets to a point where you are the hindrance. You're the problem.

And you have to adjust to your micro from the macro. And all will be well for you. Quick break before we get on to the next. Next bit. I have one last point on just picking up on what you said. This is not everybody. Like I also have gotten this. I mean, I'm in some leagues too where I'm like, hey, like I would like to be able to sell one of these quarterbacks and I can't.

It happens. I'm usually able to eventually. But so first, just like be a creative and willing trader. But also, like, if there's one pet peeve that I do have, and this doesn't apply to every league, like I think this is a legitimate discussion in several leagues. But especially you will get in some like home league type leagues. And I don't know if home leagues is even the best way to describe it. but basically I mean leagues that aren't like very in the bubble. And in those leagues,

quarterbacks are usually less value. In my opinion, they're inefficiently low value. So I think you should be taking advantage of that to draft quarterbacks. That being said, I know a lot of people who, and it doesn't just apply to quarterbacks, it also applies to a draft pick sometimes.

It applies to really, can apply to anything, where you end up in a league and you find an inefficiency with this league, where they're valuing something too much, or they're valuing something too little. And then, so you press that edge, as you should, right? They're not valuing draft picks enough. You trade for a bunch of draft picks.

They're valuing quarterbacks too little. You pick a couple of quarterbacks early. And then a year later, you find yourself complaining about why, oh, they won't trade for my quarterbacks. Oh, they won't trade for my draft picks. Like, you don't get to just assume that once you press whatever edge exists in this league, that everybody will wake up from their coma all of a sudden and decide that they were wrong and you were right, right?

You can't just take for granted that you will bend 11 other human beings to your will. Even if you are right, you still have to participate in a market economy. We play a game with people. So if you have diagnosed, okay, quarterbacks are inefficiently low valued in this league. You want to press it to an extent, but you have to be mindful that that's the economy you're participating in. So don't pay your price for quarterbacks. Try to get the discount on the quarterbacks that are available there.

But don't take five of them, right? Get the discount on your elite guys, whatever. Then if you think you get way into the late rounds, oh, you know, it's round 15 and Gino Smith is still there. Sure, I'll take them. But like understand if you're drafting a QB4, you're drafting a QB4. Don't expect that like you've got all of a sudden the startup ends

and everybody has a completely different perspective on fantasy football. I think that stuff kind of drives me crazy. Yes, I, you know what? I love that because immediately after a draft, you always get the guy that will immediately try to trade you an asset and be like, all right, this is a quarterback bro. And they don't take into account that if that person wanted that player, they had whatever, nine rounds that they could have drafted and they decided, no, I'm good. So then immediately after the draft going to that person and not only wanting them at the

value that he got it, but the plus is on top, is asinine. And if it works for you, I'm happy for you. If you send it to me, I'm not happy with you. I'll put it to you that way because we know. We're smart enough. We were just in that draft room a minute ago. We know who you got.

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it's just it's too deep right now it just doesn't matter in the format but I'm not I don't know how to give one quarterback advice I play in one single one quarterback on its league I know over an orphan the orphan already had Josh Allen my entire knowledge of one quarterback dynasty has been waking up with Josh Allen and never once thinking about the quarterback position for the rest of that dynasty league. He has not gotten injured and he has always been good. So I've never thought about trading him. I've never thought about trading for another quarterback.

I've just been like, sick. I'll play Josh Allen. That's all I need to know. I know. I know we are super flex, you know, cultists. but if you do or are playing in single quarterback league and you do need some player advice, you let us know for the most part, the theory that's applied is the same. It's just changing what's the most valuable.

Is it receiver running back at a one QB, the theory can still be the same and can be applied? And if you have questions with that, guess what? You can head to the Fantasy Points Discord where I'm available all the time. I have no life. I am here for you guys all the time. can get at us. No need to apologize, man. It's,

it's, it's all good. It's all good. We, we all lulls here. But Ben wants to know if we are dropping rice. So I think this is a good time.

No. To reference it. No. We're not going to, we're not going to drop Rishi rice. However, I'm not going to be making Palestine jokes in the comments. No,

we're absolutely not going to be doing that. Yeah. We're just going to, uh, do this. Also, so let's talk about Rashid, because I know you are in the Bulletproof Discord

discussing Rishi Rice today. Yeah. And I saw that you're going down with the ship. So let's talk about it. I am absolutely open to moving Rice. It is, he's becoming that meme where you're like, man, you're getting harder and harder to defend. Like,

um, it's getting harder. And you made me take this guy in our co-owned team and now, and now you're the one that wants out. No, I'd take Dell and you were banging the drum for Rishi Rice. He was 16 points for game down the stretch. How do you not take this man? Oh, my God.

I know. It's funny. I was pretty low on Rice coming out of the actual season. Like I never, I mean, I buy that he's talented, obviously. He had like up well over two yards per own run. I always thought that like the true extent of his talent was a little bit exaggerated. I liked Dell a lot more. I thought that I like guys like you could spend a lot more.

And there was, you know, some people, I thought that were more on the extreme at the other end that were like, I actually like Addison more. I like Flowers more. And then there was, you know, the people that liked him up near the top 10 dynasty wide receivers. I considered myself kind of a centrist on Rishi Rice coming out of the season. At this point, like, yeah, I'm holding. I'm buying. Like, sure. Like, I'm not, like, people ask me like, you know, oh, do you think it's just going to go away then?

I don't know. Like, we don't know. that much about the first case. I mean, we know enough, right? We know that there are a bunch of felony charges. We know that the main issue in terms of the most significant charge is, it requires approving a serious bodily injury. That is a subjective view, right? That doesn't just come down to what's on the video. People say there's a video, there's a video that proves certain things plus the admission, but serious bodily injury comes down to what's considered a serious bodily injury. That's not going to come down from the video.

how these things normally go. The most likely scenario is that this gets pled down in some capacity. The incoming, the incoming chart, or we don't even know if there is going to be a charge, the incoming investigation for what happened on Monday. We have known literally nothing about. All we know is like one tweet that said he's being investigated

for an altercation at a bar on Monday morning. Like, I don't know. That could be super significant. It could be totally nothing. Obviously, if you're, in the position of already being charged with eight felonies, you probably shouldn't be putting yourself into position to have anything added to that because it's just a massive risk profile. But I don't know, at this point, like, I've been seeing questions saying, like, would you rather

have a mid-second? And it's just like, no for me. Like, I'm not saying no because I have confidence that he'll, like, not get suspended for very long or whatever. I just, we know that he's at least good on the football field. And we know we plays in the Chiefs for now. And we know no one's died. Yeah.

So my guess is he's going to play football this year. I don't know how many games. I'd be pretty surprised if he, like, went to jail for a long period of time. And I'd be pretty surprised if he got spent it for the full season. That's just not really stuff that happens if there's not like a fatality. So I'm buying at like the early two price point for sure. But yeah, it's a risk. It's a risk reward bet.

Totally. as for a by low and rights we always talk about how by low doesn't really exist this might be like a rare opportunity where that buy window was open a crack so people were were open to moving them but it actually might be all the way open i think i think you can kind of buy low really but worthy is getting pumped up as well you certainly can in some spots yeah right it is possible it is likely going to cost you I know some people are still out there asking for a late one. I know that I have seen some early 202 to 205s being tossed out. What do you,

I know you said that you were happy to buy. I want to know what you guys are both comfortable buying for and what you would actually sell for at this point, for anyone wondering. So right now, if I were to sell rice, I'd be looking for a first round pick. I'm not going to be completely unrealistic,

like anything between, 1-08 and 111, I think, is fine. I don't think that there's going to be very many people inside of the top six who would be willing to sell that. I still don't think that whenever they have the choice between potentially Roma Dunseye and Rashi Rice that people are going to be choosing Rashi Rice very many times. But that would be the goal. And if you are holding the bag on Rishi Rice right now, you really don't want to move too much after. that like i don't foresee his value really dropping any more past this point like i i honestly don't know what he could do to make it lower i'm not asking rushy rights to go and do anything to continue

to lower his value but it would have to be more extreme circumstances to keep pushing it down so i don't know there's going to be some owners out there who see probably a player falling in the rookie drafts in the early second and then they're they might feel okay moving rice to get maybe a Michael Pinnock's junior. If they're really convinced on Keon Coleman, they might be moving him to get Keon Coleman or even potentially one of the running back. So there are definitely times that might start to make sense to move him for like an early second round rookie pick.

But anything past that, it's just starting to not make sense for you. Like what are you expecting from your second round rookie pick? You're not expecting him to necessarily be immediate plug and play in your roster. We already know going into this, or I don't think manager should be expecting Rossi Rice to play during the first at least six games of this upcoming season. So he's not going to be on your roster for six games, very similar to a second or third round pick. Like the tradeoff on what you're getting if you start moving for anything past, like a mid-second,

isn't going to make up for what you're going to be losing and whatever discipline comes. price this way. Yeah, I just think I'm not selling for, for that, you know, 112, 201, 202. Like, I'm definitely not selling for the 207. So I think you're right. I think I would want a 1, but I just don't think you're going to get it. So you're stuck in a holding pattern. I am comfortable buying anywhere from like 2, 3 to 2. Well, anything after 2.3. If I can move 2, 3, I'm in. Yeah, 100% I'm in. I would still be paying for that. Yeah, this is the rare. circumstance, which I think you're totally justified to have a decent gap between your sell price and your buy price.

Like that's normally something that I get animated about as I got upset when people are like, I would buy for this, it's all for this. I think mostly those two things should be pretty darn close together. The reason for that is just like you want to do exposure management with this bet, right? Like no matter what anyone says, none of us really know this is going to work out. I don't think this is a situation you want to make your dynasty season dependent on. I don't think you want to be racking up like an 80% portfolio share of Rishi Rice. So, you know, for me, I'm not selling for, you know, less than like either like the 25 or

26 one of a team that I think is going to absolutely suck or a first in the top eight. I don't expect anyone to give me that, but that's what it would take. So I'm not necessarily looking to sell off a bunch of shares, you know, at like the 110 price point or something, unless I knew I had a bunch of corresponding moves coming in where I could buy cheaper. So I'm just looking at it as like, I want to be overweight rice. I think it's a situation that I want to attack. I don't want to be more than like 2x the field probably, 2.5x the field probably. So I'm looking at how can I add a few shares as cheaply as possible, right?

If I have, I don't know exactly how many rice shares I have right now, I'm guessing probably six or seven. So I'm looking at the other 54, 55 leagues or whatever it is. And, you know, I want to try and buy the four to five cheapest rice shares that I can out of all those leagues, not, you know, pay whatever I would pay in those circumstances. So it's a matter of probing. I've had, I've had deals, you know, the cheapest I've gotten rice, and it's a little hard to quantify this. But it was, I moved back from the 104 to the 108. And I got rice and a third. So for what I would have accepted as a pick in that deal, probably like a second, mid-second.

And then, you know, I've had deals where I've been offered the chance to buy him for like two late twos, which in a vacuum, I think is like a fine deal. But I'm just like, yeah, I feel like I can get them for one, two in some places. So I don't need to buy for two. That's how I'm viewing it. It's like trying to get to my desired exposure the cheapest way that I can. It may seem odd, but I think I'm trying to hit about. 18% on all three wide receivers on Kansas City and not trying to double them up on the same team, which has been

when I tell you that it has been a logistical nightmare to achieve that. I am not kidding. You're drafting worthy all of a sudden? What happened? I am not yet. I am trying or will be trying because I still have a ton of rookie drafts left to go. I will be trying to hit 18%. Relentingly big worthy. Yeah. Yeah.

And does that mean, does that mean you're having to sell Marquise Brown to get down to 18% or are you having to buy him? No, I actually sold off a ton of Marquis Brown when he went to Arizona because he just skyrocketed to a point that you could move him for a whole bunch of other assets. And he's really cheap to acquire right now because, you know, he's kind of the second to third fiddle.

So people are a little bit down on him. I still really like him a lot. But I am willing to draft worthy, all right? I'm not sitting here saying that I would never draft worthy. I just hate that people are making a case for him to be like 1-7-19 and even 110. And there's just other guys I prefer like Brooks and Ladd. But as I posted on the amateur porn site known as X.com,

I did say today that it's getting harder and harder to not draft him just in case. So I am now on a mission to try to get to 15 to 18%. He will be my lowest roster, Kansas. city chiefs wide receiver out of the big three. That'll be no question. But how actually that's an interesting question. How are you handling all three? Because obviously you want to try to avoid the double dip if you can, at least in my

opinion. How are you handling the big three? I don't care about double dip. I don't really view that way. I don't mind. Okay. On one team, if I get them all at a price point that I want, that doesn't really bother me.

Yeah, I think it's, I'm trying to view them each in a vacuum the most that I can. Like, rice to me is an exploitable. edge right now in that he's a player that might really matter and the risk is non-football related and price to accept that risk is pretty reasonable. So that's just the player that I want to be overweight on and it's just a matter of how much risk I'm willing to take on in my portfolio. So, you know, to me that probably comes down to around 25% three X is about as high as I would want to be there on him. Okay. But that's about as high as I want to be on any place. I don't really ever want a roster more than 3X the field on a player in Dynasty,

or at least any player of significant value. And then Brown, like, I don't know. He doesn't have, like, enough value either production-wise or market-wise for me to, like, care about my exposure to Marquise Brown. Like, I could have 80% or 0% and I'd be content. It's just a matter of, like, what the price point is on him. I think he's, like, probably in the late 2 range for me overall. and worthy, like, I don't have an exposure cap on him necessarily.

It's just that, you know, if you want to draft him, you basically have to take him at the 109. It's very rare he falls below that. Yeah. And he's not my issue. My 109. So I mix him in on occasion. The odds that I actually hit 8% on him are slim to none.

Just the math doesn't really work out. Like I don't see how I'm going to get to one next to field unworthy without sacrificing players I like more. Agreed. Nick, you did kind of miss. the rashy rice discourse, but you can rewind 15 minutes and then get caught up with the rest of the show after you hit like and subscribe if we didn't tilt you too, too, too hard on the hashtag takes there. So let's take a quick minute.

When we come back, we'll move on to the next question, kind of hit these a little bit quicker so we can get into the lengthy amount of questions that we ended up having tonight, which we love and appreciate you guys for. Sit tight. Okay, I want to talk about Panix Jr. Because he was the meme on draft night. We've seen all the reactions, all the thumbnails on YouTube, right, where people are, you know, all that corny stuff that we all love. We've seen the memes on Twitter.

It's been the laughing stock. It's everything you could possibly think of. So immediately, when we talked about it during the live show, we're. reactions and the show after that, we said, well, he's got to be at the 27. Like, we can't let him get past the 27. He's probably going to, he might even fall farther than that. Not been the case for me. I have seen him go from the 2-2 to the 2-5 and damn near every single rookie draft

that I have been a part of. I myself have found myself taking him at 2-4. I, too, am also guilty of this. So is he actually a hotter command? than we expected. I know in one league specifically there was one gentleman that tried. And I mean tried. Wave after wave, just like the ocean, beating down on a rock face, just slowly trying to erode away my Michael Pennix Jr. from my hands did not happen. But I have experienced a way higher pursuit of Pennix Jr. than I would have expected. And I am actually very very, very

happy to acquire more shares. Banji, Group Think Casuals are roasting Panix Jr. Pick thought it was brilliant. I think the pick by the Falcons was horrendous. I think that is a horrendous decision. I understand why they did it. I think the pick was horrific. However, that doesn't mean that you have to avoid him in your dynasty superflex,

rookie drafts. And I am not. I am storing that value on my taxi squad. So let's talk Pennix Jr. Lucas. What have you seen? And this is purely just going to be based on what we have experienced to this point. Often we don't like sitting here going well in Miley because, you know, we make fun of people that do that stuff quite often in their hashtag takes. But in your current experience, how is the Pennix Jr. field played out for you?

So I have unfortunately not actually completed a rookie draft yet. So yeah, I know. I know. I know. And Benji, some more leagues. Yes. I know.

Enjoy your life. You're talking about wanting to diversify your portfolio. I'm the poor schmuck who has like a thousand dollars in a Charles Schwab account. And I'm over here just playing around with it saying, what can I actually afford to even buy a share of? And to me, it's, but like to me with Michael Pipp. Pinnix, it's just, it's so tough where if you get to your pick in the beginning of the second round,

because he's definitely going to be there. Like, that's almost a guaranteed thing. If you're at 201, Michael Pinnock's Jr. is going to be listed as the top available player and sleeper. And you still see, though, sometimes in some crazy leagues, you might see Jonathan Brooks there. Definitely smashing Brooks over him. You're going to be seeing Trey Benson there. And just with the way that running backs are valued, it's really tough to take Pinnock's over. for Trey Benson.

And then you're seeing the names like Ladd-McConkey, Ricky Pyrsaw, Kionn Coleman, all in there, you have to actually have a strong opinion on any of them, and then you're going to take them over Michael Pennix. It just starts making it to where he's making this little fall down the board. And yes, I agree that at 201, he should be a pretty easy pick to make. But gosh, whenever you actually have to force yourself to press that button, become so much more difficult knowing that yes he's going to retain value like we there's been many studies on this uh he's going to retain value it just happened but you just can't use that value

yeah score points for your team and that sucks but if you're the right team if you have the right set up to where you're not trying to compete this year you understand this then this should be the absolute easiest pick of the second round smash that pick save your future first that people are going to start offering you and either take that and move on, have a fun day or wait another year and still get that next future first. Jacob, I see you have some facial reactions to what I'm saying. I don't think that these future firsts are just going to be coming out of the woodwork for Michael Panics. I don't think they already are. I've personally experienced this is what triggered this question being on the show sheet itself.

It is already happening. Right. But I mean, I don't, well, this like whole, I don't know, I'm not a fan of like the anecdotal like this guy offered me this. Like there's always some person who offers something for someone. Like the idea that his value is going to increase substantially this year, like the idea that you're just, you know, putting it in the bank and getting an 8% return or whatever. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's generally what we saw.

We've, when we've had quarterbacks that end up stuck in this environment. Like they, it tends to be kind of out of sight out of mind. And then, you know, the thing is it would really change panics as well. value is how does her cousins play? If he plays poorly, Pennix value goes up. If he plays well, I think it goes down. If Pennix gets in a game at all this year, then that's going to have

obviously a big effect on his value in terms of whether it goes up or down. I don't know that the market is like actually sharp enough to say like, well, we were factoring in Pennix at this price based on sitting. So once some of that time is burnt off, like now his expected value accrues 5%. I just don't know that the market actually acts that rationally. I think that Pennix's value has been fine. I think he goes pretty much exactly where I haven't ranked right now to the 204. I thought he might slide more. Yeah.

But like, you know, he's not a fun pick to make in your rookie drafts, right? Especially if you only have one or two picks in the first few rounds. Like you want to get your new toy out and play with it, right? Like if you're, you know, and you can't really do that with Pennix. It's not, it's a much more fun pick to be like, oh, I'll take Ricky Pearson. all and then I get to watch week one and see like how my new rookie looks on the team compared to I'll take this quarterback put him on the taxi squad for two years. It's just not it's not a good experience. So I'm a little surprised that people have been as disciplined as they have been in

drafting him where I think he frankly should go. In terms of what I would pick him, like I think it just comes down to how much conviction you have in the other players because, you know, no player is like more protected from substantial value loss in their. first year, but I also think no player is more capped in terms of their potential value gain barring injury. So to me, it's almost like trading out of the draft into the 2025 draft, where like you're you're just kind of opting out of riding the roller coaster. So I think once you've hit the point and maybe that's after Coleman or maybe that's after a leggett or maybe that's after Benson, like it depends on how you feel about those guys, where you would rather kind of not

make a bet now versus making a bet immediately. That's when I think the right time. time is to press the Pinnock's button. So we've been talking some financial stuff. I feel like Michael Pinnock's is buying like the government issued bond where you know you're going to have some way of return. But it's not a lot. Maybe you'll keep up with inflation. It just depends on what percentage of interest they are mandating for.

But we have over the last six, seven years, we have a long history of Ricky quarterback's maintaining value no matter what. Well, Jordan loved it playing. He gained value after his first. He dropped the amount of value. No, he did. He knows the numbers right here. Bring the numbers because they're wrong.

Like, I've, I've had to start. He gained four positions. He gained four positions worth of value. If you're just looking at quarterbacks, he went up by four quarterbacks after his rookie season. I did for all rookies. I did for every single rookie that's out there. I have a, we're on here long. Well, you're wrong about the love thing.

This is, this is very very. verifiably not true. This like maybe it's true about the quarterback rankings, but I'm pulling up his overall chart right now, except I'm getting spawned by Google ads that won't let me click any fucking buttons. Okay, his all-time value on keep trade cut, it like every year, it's weird because it depends on when you hit the spike

because he has like these constant like Rogers says something weird spikes, right? Where like then his value kind of goes up and then it goes back down. But like his value in it was drafted, it goes up on occasion, but overall, until he actually became the starter, if you just held love, and then you held until he became a starting quarterback,

you lost a ton until he actually played. Like, so I don't know what's your... I don't know about keep track cut. I know on DOLF, he raised him value. But then he went down. But then he went down before he played a game. I'm not saying like by the like two years out, but his first season,

he maintained his value and actually ended up going up. And there's definitely like a long history of trade still after Jordan Love where he's maintaining what you were drafting him at. That's all I'm saying is that Michael Pinnock Jr. is going to maintain what you are investing in him right now going into next season. I don't think he'll rise. I don't think he'll rise. I think he'll maintain. I would be surprised. I'll put a bet on you if you want to bet on quarterback ADP Pennix now versus this time next year.

I've already lost one bet. Hold on. I'm trying to pull up my... Oh, he's being a coward. Stand on business. I'm trying to pull up the spreadsheet from my son. Whatever, we're arguing with the specifics, but I do think the general point is true. Like, I think he's not going to tank. He's definitely not going to tank unless, like, the only way he tanks is like,

cousins tears his Achilles week one and he plays like shit. Like, if he, if this year goes as expected, which his cousins plays all or most of the year and Pennix mostly sits on the bench, he'll be worth more or less what you're paying now. I think. You know, maybe Lucas is right and it's a bit more. I think it'll ultimately be a bit less

unless something goes in his advance, something goes his way. I also want to, Benji asked why is it horrific? And we didn't really give him an answer. So I saw the comment and I was going to address it. It's because I don't want to spend 45 minutes discussing this Pennix thing more than we have in terms.

My view is a bad check because they paid a ton to Kirk Cousins. and those two decisions drafting a quarterback at eight and paying Kirk Cousins, those two decisions can't both be good. One can be good or the other can be bad, but I don't think you can justify both of them. And then I also just think they picked the wrong quarterback. And this opinion is like way more subjective and it will not be proven to be correct or incorrect for probably several years.

But I think J.J. McCarthy is substantially better than Michael Panix is. And if they had picked J.J. McCarthy, I would be defending the pick. and it's also very possible that four years from now, it turns out the Michael Penix is way better than J.J. McCarthy. I think that we're still allowed to have opinions on it at the time, but they'll have a chance to be justified in that. Yeah, I just think it was bad because the reasoning, you know, it worked for the Packers. It was still a bad pick for the Packers at the time, in my opinion,

seeing as what they got out of Aaron Rogers for the next two years, imagining him with any help would have been more beneficial to that team, in my opinion. in the moment. I think they got hilariously bailed out by how good Jordan Love was on the field for them this year. And the Falcons trying to replicate that. There's a big difference between pick 26 and pick 8.

There is a massive difference in that, in my opinion. I should also note on Love, too, his value coming in. I think we've just gotten smarter as a community. Maybe Lucas will contradict me with the DLF because this is purely off of my memory and maybe my drafts were outliers. I recall that in most drafts that I did that year,

that Love was going in like the late two and Hertz was going in like the early three in terms of the quarterbacks that were being drafted as backups. And we've just gotten like way better as a committee in terms of the starting position. So I think Panix has a little, I think I'll have a harder time maybe rising or maintaining based on starting a little higher.

But I also think that's correct. Like if Panix was going, going at the two three turn this year, I think that would be like just an absolute smash. Yep, agreed. That's a good breakdown. You're right. It wasn't 45 minutes.

Going to take a quick second. We come back. We're going to quickly hit Lloyd and then hit these mailbag questions. Sit tight. Okay, Jacob, one kind of surprise thing today that I didn't expect for us to be discussing

is that I am probably the most overweight so far of these rookie drafts on Marshawn Lloyd. you have not drafted him once. So let's talk about it. I like Lloyd. I'm happy to take him at the 2-8 because I am so much in disbelief of this receiver class that I am happy to take the shot on the all-upside running back

and have been happy to do that. You said that's not where you have them ranked. I have them ranked right in there anywhere from 2-6 to 2-8 to feel comfortable. Where do you have them and why are you avoiding him? I haven't the third round. I haven't taken him. I actually looked at the ADP, and I mean, maybe I've just kind of run bad in terms of my quest to get Marshaun Lloyd. Although I would argue if I ran good because I'm not trying to take Marshaun Lloyd, so I'm happy that he goes ahead of his ADP.

But he has definitely gone ahead of his ADP in my leagues. I saw him at the 301 overall. That's where I haven't ranked, and I have not taken him. So I think that kind of tells you he's going a little bit ahead of that. but also when you get into this range like it there's a question on our list not to spoil it but it really does become dealer's choice at a certain point of the draft really after like

Luggett and Mitchell especially where you're just kind of taking your guys like even the guys that I have ranked at EDP I'm almost never getting because I'm there's always someone that I probably have that's fallen way behind where I have them rent because everybody's just kind of taking their stands on their guys Lloyd's just not one of my guys. He's a player that I think is a tough profile for me in that he's never had a lot of volume,

despite having the size, and it's been several years as an older prospect. And having this little raw production as an older prospect is troubling for me. And then this landing spot, I've seen some hype for it and I just don't like it. I like it from a real football perspective just fine. I think he's a good fit. as a change of pace back.

But like, we've been doing this Packers fan fiction for years of, well, when this guy leaves, this next guy will take over. And like, that's just, they just value having two running backs. Like, they're one of the few teams that could tell me, like, we drafted a running back in the third round to be a one B back for the next four years. And I'd be like, yeah, that checks out because that is like kind of what you do. So I just think, like, they're either going to keep. I think also the cost of the job of Jacob's contract after year one has been,

a little bit overstated. It's not just totally a freebie. I think it's close to a freebie after two years. I think he probably plays two years with them. If they then decide to move on from him, I just look at this team and I'm like, I think they'd probably just get another guy. And then I also look at Lloyd and I'm like,

you've never carried the rock much in five years as a college player. You're probably not going to carry the rock that much your first couple years in an NFL player. It doesn't the type of profile that I just expect a team, especially a team that values running back so highly. like the Packers do. To then just be like, you're our guy now, you're getting 270 touches.

It's a hard sell. So there's just another guy really is the same position that I just like a lot more in Jalen Wright, who's the guy that I've been targeting. And it's a similar archetype. I give Wright, I guess, a little bit more grace because he's a little younger and because I think he's like a more,

just more of a natural fit as that slasher back versus like a guy who I think speaks a little bit more to talent and reliability, that he wasn't given a larger role. And then if you want to be a limited touch slasherback, Miami is just the absolute dream landing spot to do it, where he lands in this place where, like, I don't even have to worry about will you ever get 20 touches?

Like, all I need is him to at some point get like 12 to 15 touches, and I can potentially view him as startable. So most of the time that I'm up, if Lloyd's still on the board, usually right is too, and I'm always clicking right. And then the other guy that I'm usually clicking in this range is germane burden and i i care i have enough conviction on right over lloyd that i'm not splitting them i'm just taking right over them every single time so if i'm going to take any lloyds

it's going to have to come when rights off the board it's going to um well it's not going to have to come when burdens i was drafting like an absurd amount of germain burden and a few early drafts to where i've like stopped myself from draft you do not need any more i don't know A percent remain burden. Like Ryan Heath has done some great work outlining the Josh Jacobs downfall in efficiency and workload and how that's carried over and then running back's changing teams and how that's affected them. And then you're right.

You're taking the fact that the Packers like running this dual back system and this is a guy who is explosive, can catch passes and is in a good offense. And for me, that is enough. I am not afraid of AJ Dillon. A.J. Dylan is so undoubtedly cooked. He's going to be cut in camp. Yeah, I 100% think that that's an absolute real possibility. And if you have that with a coach that does like to rotate back,

even in high opportunity, like high value touch opportunity situations, so long as you are not, which I've also seen the Amari Rogers fumble memes, which I think are hilarious, so long as you do not do that. you have a pretty good shot at staying in on the field. Even when Jamal Williams was there, he was still catching passes and we were wondering, why is this guy out here catching even as many passes as he is? It's not his bag.

So I just think that it's a situation that is good enough to propel me to want to take him in that spot and not necessarily just be afraid unless he is just hashtag bad. There is a possibility that he is just bad at football. and I'm burning a draft pick, fully aware, but more than okay. We've discussed my issues with Wright on the previous podcasts. So we'll be interested to see. I interested to see where Lloyd and Wright end up for us.

I think that's going to be a fun little debate throughout the year. Anything to add, Lucas? No, for questions. I think you all kind of crushed it there. Where Lloyd lines up in terms of rankings is right with this ADP. I have too much conviction on some of the wide receivers and that hurts me in some drafts. Yeah.

I'm going to make sure that. Where are the wide receivers that you're usually drafting in that range? Well, I'm looking at Adnoy Mitchell. Jalen Polk, I like too much and I know that that's bad for my health. And then I'm still looking at that Xavier look at over. And then I know that I need to be higher on Jermain Burton. And I'm trying to work off my take clock that I have on him, just from him being at Alabama.

He assaulted a member of the GBO. I know he did. Yeah, I saw all the videos. Part of the petitions. Yeah, he needed to be suspended or, yeah, whatever. Jailed. Yeah. Yeah, so it's really tough to actually like Jeremy Burton.

And then they're like, like, I really like Roman Wilson's landing spot, which makes it a little bit more difficult. And we're not going through all the wide receivers. We can do that. point of time but there are still wide receivers in that area that I'm targeting I think trying to be more realistic Jalen Polk I think has the highest ceiling that I would be willing to take over him I don't know I didn't phrase that right but I do think like Jailen Polk has legit he's going to be or he can be the wide receiver one on that team yeah his first season and so I I need to be drafting

more Marshaun Lloyd over some of those side are wide receivers but sometimes it's just it's just tough Why don't we just go straight into that question? Because there's one that's like almost perfectly realistic. Go ahead. Basically on it. There was one of our, one of the questions submitted was in a basic 12-team league, we're seeing a flattening happening right around after Benson. And then he said it feels like people are playing chicken with the next handful of names

and he lists kind of all these guys who've been talking about. Yes, and that's because the late first quality of player extends to the second and a deep class. I don't think so in the last part. I think this is just kind of generally what happens in, rookie drafts most years, which is we see a few set tiers early, and then eventually you just reach a point where it becomes mayhem. And yeah, I would extend it a little bit further than what he did.

Like I would say it's, you know, in some order, we get like the Coleman Benson, Penix, and the two last picks of the first round, Pierceall and Leggett. And then Mitchell will sometimes go ahead of those guys. But so, but you get in through like Leggett and Pierceall and Mitchell through the 206. maybe one of those guys sneaks there, but that's usually seems to be where we're at, going into the 208, and that's when shit goes totally berserk to me,

where people are just doing what they want, right? Like, we get Polk sometimes, it's quorum sometimes, it's right, it's Wilson, it's sometimes Burton, you'll see Sinat in there, and, you know, sometimes people will sneak in other guys. Yeah, like, I haven't really been diversifying it, to be honest. I might do it later in draft. To this point, I've just been like of the attitude where I personally like three of them and I only take three of them.

So like I draft Polk, I draft Burton, and I draft right. And I have not drafted Lloyd. I've not drafted Roman Wilson. I've drafted Sinat a couple times. I haven't drafted quorum yet either. Yeah, none for myself either. I just think that with the wide receivers, my big issue, is that I think that some of these other guys that go a little bit later have,

in my opinion, like just as good as shot to be anything like McCaffrey into the fourth round. Like I'm okay just tapping, running back, yeah. So tapping, running back, running back,

and then just securing your, because these are all dart throw wide receivers at this point. Like, let's be honest, we're all kind of becoming landing spot boys for this, because this class had so many bullet holes in analytic profiles that now we've gotten landing spots and we're all kind of becoming landing spot draft capital boys right now.

We're also get to be draft capital boys on Jalen Polk, right? Like we're drafting the 37th overall pick at the 208, 203. But that's what I'm saying. So I'm saying that we go through this whole process with analytics and how do they look on film and this class sucks and film guys love it and it's really deep analytic profiles or meh, all this stuff. And then we get the draft capital landing spot and we're like, nope, this is how it is. I'm willing to take a shot on the cap. though. Like, I'm willing to take a shot on that guy and some other wide receivers that are a little bit lower because they all realistically kind of have the same shot to succeed if you go historically for for draft capital in these profiles. So that's why I'm more okay passing on the Roman Wilson's.

McMillan, I really like too. McMillan is another guy. I'm drafted quite a bit of mill. I just, I mean, I've been landing spot held on on him where it's like once we're into, once we're into the guys. guys where they're unlikely to hit in the first place, right? Yeah. On kind of where they're drafted. Like, I agree. I like McMillan's profile a better. I don't think it's like a great ceiling profile. I think it's like kind of the theory was it's like kind of just that you can play profile.

And yeah, like I got into this. I got into a discussion with someone in the discord the other day where they're asked me why I liked Baker more than McMillan now because I had McMillan ranked ahead of him pre-draft. he gets drafted ahead of him pre-draft. You know, shouldn't I like McMillan Moore? And I do still like you're feeling a little more as a player. But it's like the edges at this point and the certainty in those edges really decline. Like once I'm past my top at each position, me liking a guy a little more just matters so so little. And the draft capital is like, you know, okay, one went in day two, one went in day three.

They went 10 picks apart. Exactly. Yeah. That's an argument. That's a free argument for the Troy Franklin stands, by the way. if you yeah that's that's a one-time donation to the franklin fund um but uh you know so i just look at baker and i'm like hey i want to bet on drake may i'm betting on him anyway um so you know you mentioned being above the market on the kansas city wide receivers i want to be like 30%

on all the patriots wide receivers because that like like it's this it's so wide open it's so wide open and i want to drop polk but as soon as soon as i don't have polk i don't know him shit. I can assume that he sucks. He probably does suck. So then, so like it's one of those things where it's like if I'm drafting Polk, I can be like, he's got the draft capital. He's the guy they want to be their number one guy. And then if I don't have Polk, I'm looking at, I'm like,

oh, Baker has nobody to beat out, you know? And then I don't have either of them. And I'm like, I want Pop Douglas. There you go. You're saying nobody to beat out. So I want, I want all of these, all of the above, pop and Baker and, and, well, but they are, And Polk, Baker probably the one I've drafted the most. Interesting.

Just hammering him in the third round. Yeah, he's a zero for me. He's going to be a zero for me as well. But that's, that's why, that's why it's, I think it's a great, great question to ask, especially with how we've been talking about it. But that's, that's kind of why I'm okay, hammering these running backs and just taking some of these other wide receivers instead, because I'm just not convinced, not convinced at all. Let's talk about this question here.

What person, oh, sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say like once you get about 18 picks in, that's whenever I think it really flines out until you're getting really deep into the third round. Yeah. And I said on the show with John Hanson, whenever we were doing a mock draft, I think that it's kind of important here to be early on the next tier of running backs. And it's okay to be a little bit late on this tier of wide receivers.

So I mean, you have multiple picks throughout there. And there's enough wide receivers you can get conviction on. to be drafting the running back so after right after uh marshaun lloyd it's i feel like it's much tougher to really get conviction on i know that we've had a lot of fun and now the draft or now you're what you're having to pay to get uh kamia vidal is starting to get a little little crazy uh but regardless it tyrone tracy all right with like a word And Tyrone Tracy is such a cheat code still in certain leagues because they still haven't given them an ADP and sleeper. It's literally like a computer glitch is responsible for Tyrone Tracy's being a full round of ADP lower than it should be.

And it's so annoying because like I'm just constantly I've been in like 12 to 15 rookie drafts at once. And I every time I log in I have to be like, is this one of the ones that I already put Tyrone Tracy in the queue or like is he already gone? Like you're just searching to see what because it's literally like who is the person he remembers first that they have to scroll years down their list to go find Tyrone and Tracy. It's a fun little side quest in every rookie trap to monitor. Yeah, it's been really annoying watching like being one of the first people on him and then now watching every single major platform just type them up. And now people are like trading up to get them in the early third. And I'm crying, crying every time I see it. That's what you when you, uh, when your sleeper gets a good landing spot.

I know. And then Garendo was right there. And then he picks number 49 and just completely ruins all hope. Look, I mean, I'll say this for Garendo. Um, I don't like Garendo, but if I just pretended that I did, um, like he's undervalued to me in that he gets a really fun landing spot. Um, you know, I know that he's not going to insert Christian McCaffrey, but the, the, the, path to him being the two is wide open and um you know christian mcalfrey is like two years away from everybody saying you can't draft him under any circumstances because he's made a glass

whereas now an injury to christian mcalfrey is impossible to visualize apparently uh right but you know so there's that and then he gets fourth round draft capital which is something so you're a grendo bowl you should just be like filling up with oh yeah oh i am or garendo bags I don't even like the guy. I've drafted him a few times. So would you rather have Jalen Wright and Luke McCaffrey or say potentially Jalen Polk and Will Shipley? Polk and Shipley.

Oh, okay. Really? Interesting. Okay. I might be their way, but okay. Yeah, I'm way out on Shipley. I don't really look at it as a two. I don't really look at it as a 2v2.

Like it's in a rookie draft like, you know, I don't even know what my team is going in. I don't know what my need. are going in but I'm um it's it's not like I have to be balanced in every rookie draft right between wide receiver and running back I have Polk I have Polk I have a tier ahead of the rest of these guys just because of the draft capital and the opportunity all right Roman Wilson I have him in there with me I'm not drafting no neither not at all I'm like this thing like to me it's like there's

guys that I like to me it's like there's guys that I don't like and that's at both positions so it's it's not as much about like I'm probably I'm drafting a little less structurally this year where I'm not like I'm not of the mindset of like I have to draft a wide receiver here. I have to draft running back here. Like I like Jalen Wright and I like Jermaine Burden and I like Javan Baker and I like Ray Davis. So it's like, you know, in a perfect world maybe I would I would be able to like designate those where I pair my burdens with my Davises and I pair my bakers with my rights. But like sometimes I get in the draft and I'm like, I draft right, I'm like, all right, I'm taking two running backs.

Yeah. But there's, there's, you know, a stable of guys. I'm glad we're having these chats because it helps, like, kind of boost me on my comfort zone a little bit too. Like, I think sometimes in this range, you just kind of get comfortable with certain guys where it's like, these are the guys I like, these guys I like click and just rotate him through. And then you start thinking, like, why don't I ever take this guy? It's probably like 98% is good of a bet, right?

Like, I was just taking like Jacob Cowing in like a bunch of like fifth rounds or whatever. and then I thought about it and I was like, why do I have seven Jacob Cowings and no Malik Washington's? Like I don't think anything about these two guys. So then I'm just like, now I'm going to take Malik Washington four times in a row until it balances out. Getting on a,

getting on to an aside, which means we'll get to less questions, but I think it's still important. So sorry about that. But we talk about a lot about how it is important to expand that. Like you can't just play Dynasty with the same group of people and talk Dynasty with the same group of people every day and expect completely different.

results. We have this show because all three of us view the game differently. Like all three of us disagree on a lot of things and it helps us get to a new level of thinking, which is hopefully who are helping everyone out with. We are definitely not that group think all agree, everyone's right type program. And I'm proud of that. I'm very much proud of that. Let's talk about another question that we have here. What percent, I don't think we answered this yet, what percentage, what percent exposure, Jesus, I can't read, to Vidal?

Before we back off the current rise in ADP, hashtag dynasty points. Where is it for you? Well, his ADP is alive because ADP is at the 402, and I can't remember the last time I saw him last to the four in the league. If I could draft them at the 402, in every single league, 100% exposure

would be my ideal exposure. In real world, like there's the three guys that I want to draft in every third round are Vidal, Davis, Baker. Those are the three flag plants that I have. And I usually don't have three third round picks. Right. And Tracy would be the fourth,

the fourth horseman of that. Yeah. So you can get him in the fourth because of the sleeper glitch. So, So, yeah, I don't know, like just realistically, I'd like to have 100% Kamani Vidal, but I won't. So I'm hoping to at least get 20. I'm going to, I'm going to say probably 30% because I'm very much like you.

I have like three guys that are really hammer. It's Garendo, Tracy, and Vidal in the third round if I can. I will actually try to trade back into the third round if I can right now because I'm convinced. I did this with Eric Gray, where I, I ended up with like 40% roster ship of him and if he died he died I feel this way with Vidal I think Gus is really good

and I think Dobbins if he's not if his legs aren't absolute just shredded lettuce at this point could be very solid in that system and I don't see the leave again and freaking Jake I know I know I know I know but it's not like he doesn't have like

good NFL running backs ahead of him to get to so I think like the hype is a little bit unwarranted because it was free. He doesn't have good NFL running backs to get ahead. Gus Edwards is a good NFL running back. Gus Edwards is a good NFL running back. In theory, like I'm very willing

to make the Dobbins dart. It's kind of like I'm going to say with Polk and Baker. Like, if we're just talking with Dobbins in a vacuum, I want to take the Dobbins dart throw. But if you're making the case for anyone else in this backfield, it's very easy to just be like, I'm making the assumption that J.K. Dobbins is physically unable to play football

at a high level again. Sure. We have pretty reasonable. and then I'm making the correct assumption that Gus Edwards is slow and old. And maybe he's still going to have 13 touchdowns. That's possible. But Gus Edwards has never been like an all-situation workhorse back either. He's always been part of a committee. He's been a role player in a back field.

So if Gus is doing his gust thing and Dobbins can't play, that still leaves about half the snaps for somebody else. Sure, I agree. but my take on this is that the community is just immediately putting him because it was the spot that everyone wanted Brooks or Benson or Wright or Lloyd to go to. And now the sixth round rookie gets to go there and it's he's day one. He's not. Gus Edwards is still the type of running back that NFL teams covet. He's one of Greg Roman's dudes and he's in the perfect spot for him as well. So my point was I think that he's just getting that immediate,

this is the smash guy treatment when he's just as big a red flag as all of the other potential, like, backup to maybe starting backs. That's all I was going to say. Because Flores got ready to learn practice squad, buddy. Yeah. But the ceiling is more immediately realizable, right? Like it's, you know, compared to a Garando or a Shipley or a Jet's back. like all these other guys that also have a floor of zero.

Like what's not in their range of outcomes is being the week one starting running back. And, you know, that's certainly, it's nowhere near assured of Vidal. He's probably still a big underdog for that. But like, I'll even expand the scope. Week 10 starting running back without injury. Like, that's a picture you can paint with Vidal. I still don't think it's even the most likely picture. But it's a lot more likely than, you know, Braylon Allen was starting out of Brees Hall, right?

Like it's yeah So there's you know It's clearly more in the range of outcomes Um But yeah I like him I mean I've had him He has yet to surpass my ranking in ADP I had him I think where do I have him?

I had a really aggressive initial draft And then I calmed down and I moved him behind a couple people Um I still have him at the 302 So um Which I think is actually not true um That is true that that's my ranking But I think I've been

lying to the people because I do prefer Javon Baker and I have him ranked once in a pop-up. Again, we once again find out on air. Jacob is fraudulent. You're coming more and more frequent with you, Jacob. I'm getting concerned for you and the people on how they react

might not be. You have to do here's the thing, you make these rankings and then you start drafting and then you get on the clock and go, who do I want? Yeah. No, it's true. It's good to be open like that. And Brian put in the comments, he said he might rephrased as on what's too high to draft him.

I think that. Second round. Yeah, I think that after Marshawn Lloyd, who's the RB5, according to Dynasty Data Labs and ADP right now, then you can make an argument. He should be RB6. I definitely believe it over guys like Bucky Irving, Gray Davis, Braylon Allen, that you can make that a very legitimate argument. And that's just, what do I have to do, secure him if he is my RB6? and if that's making him the 302 303 go ahead do it have fun with it it's not necessarily going to be a move that I'm making very often but that that's not too high especially with

the way that this draft class is kind of panned out especially with also just the enormous depth of wide receivers too it's right it's one of those things where like the opportunity cost is still low right like the hit rate on an early third round pick is still not high if you throw an early third at Kamani Vidal and he gets cut in camp like it is not really that big of a loss, right? The most likely scenario is there will be like one to two materially impactful hits

in this whole third round. You just have to be lucky enough to have one of them, right? Like that's really all you're hoping for. We know Ben Sinat's one of them. So then there's one more that we're having to pick right now. So that's at least... You're part of the you're part of the, You're part of the Sonat, hype train.

You're part of Sanat. I love Sonat. Yeah, same. So not so much. Okay, can you guys talk me into this? Because I have, I have the ick. And it's not for a good reason. It's because he wore 34. No, I know.

I know. That means he's a full pack. So, and you guys like, what does he do? Can you talk to me? Like, why? I've taken him sometimes, but it feels obligatory to me. I don't, I don't, I don't find it. I can't get myself excited.

Excite me. Scott. Scott Barrett did his rookie presser article and video, which is just out, which you can go and find on the YouTube channel. Always great. And they were talking about how they looked at him and they really looked at what the 49ers look for in a tight end

and a move type player. And they referenced Kyle Eusecheck. They referenced George Kittle. And they said, Sanak can do. You should have led with that. I already put the vehicle. I'm being a fullback.

I don't want to hear, I don't want your fullback on. They said that he can line up outside. They can do it. He can do everything you ask him for in a blocking scenario. He doesn't have to come off the field. He can run. Could you let me finish?

God damn. You're like a toddler. Toddler just pulling. Mom, mom, mom. God. Well, I'm on an important phone call. Anyway, they said that he can line him up outside. He can play wide receiver.

He can catch the ball. He's athletic. He's strong. He's strong at the point of impact. We don't have. to rotate him and considering that Cliff Kingsbury is just going to run 10 personnel. Like we just know that he's not going to be in these heavy blocking formations with what we've seen.

He's going to be out there on the field. And whether it is, right, we don't want a tight end that blocks all the time, right? I used to make fun of T.J. Blockinson, right? George Kittle is the classic points per block. rip tight end that we all make fun of but you also don't want to be the type of tight end that gets removed from the field and goal line situations Kyle Pitts with with Arthur Smith because maybe the blocking's not there we want these like freak tight ends that are really wide receivers but then

they like Mike Yosicki can't block anything so they're not out there all the time I don't think that's a problem with him and he is crazy athletic they used them down the field as well Remember, he only spent, I think, 60 snaps last year at fullback and had over 300 snaps in the tight-em position and still won low man somehow. He's athletic downfield, uses every situation. They can be creative with them. The biggest knock I have on him is that he's paired with Cliff Kingsbury. However, Cliff did hyper use Zach Ertz to a point that Zach Ertz came alive once again. from his prehistoric state

even that he was post-filiate. So there's a lot to like there and especially in a tight end premium league. The week two, Zachert, 71% routes, Bensonot, 24% routes. Is it going to hit like crack? Yeah, but at least we've seen the McBride light after Zachertz.

So we have like, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, no, I'm just trolling what the Zacherts thing because it's going to happen for probably not very long, but I think it's going to happen for like one or two weeks and it's going to be really funny to watch Cliff Kingsbury trot out the corpse of Zach Ertz back into our lives. But I hear you guys. I've like accepted that the Sanat case is the correct one and then I need to draft more of them. I'm not sure if I'll know what I convince myself to do it.

But I understand that if I don't, it's wrong. I understand that. I understand that you're right. I'm glad that Debrough has talked some sense into Tom. That makes me feel better. Just some more fun numbers. He had a higher in line percentage. than Brock Bowers.

He had higher Adot than Brock Bowers, which isn't saying that much. A dot, but yeah, but I mean, it was still really good. Like, I don't know why we're like against inline tight ends.

I don't know. We were talking about like Brock Bowers being used a lot in in line. He just, he isn't. I don't know where that's come from. I've been seeing that all over Twitter. He was used, but it wasn't a lot.

It wasn't like his typical thing that he was doing. He's good after the, catch. He's not elite, but he's good enough. And I mean, he, he's a really good route runner. He can still make plays. And once, like what Thomas said, he's not going to be coming off the field very often once he assumes that full-time role. And I'm making the bet that he can beat out Zacherts by the end of the season. I don't think it's been listed yet. You're not going to do it just by the, by the number, are you? Well, if he announces that he's wearing a number in the 30s in the NFL, he's off my draft board.

Okay, that's fair. If he, like, let's, let's, let's live in the 80s here, Ben. Let's be in the 80s.

Not even the 40s? Like, even Dallas, like even Dallas Clark. When I was watching peak Dallas Clark and he was, you know, winning us games and being a baller, I was looking,

I was like, are you serious? Like, like, Hey, to be fair, I did not garendo for him 409. No players ever had less swag as a past catcher than Dallas

Clark who's just like a short dude who would wear like elbow pads I'm sorry anyone that wears the number zero anyone that wears the number zero is out I like it you're no you're out you're out and this Gabe Davis wanting to wear alternate numbers for weeks I saw that tweet I just laugh I held so out loud Gabe Davis who do you think you are yeah yeah exactly that's what I mean like it just so yeah I know it was a joke tweet but I saw that and I went Jesus Christ yeah I I I'm not about people wearing the number zero I think it's, I think it's dumb, but that's my old man. Doubles here.

Yelling at the club. No, get it out of, get. No, I'm out on double zero. This isn't the monstars. This isn't, this isn't, no, get it, get it out of the game. Brian Thomas taking 80. That's big for him.

Although I heard that he's no longer doing that. I heard after they cut Zay Jones, he's switching to seven. Oh, no, he's going to get Rashad Bateman. Oh, terrible, terrible. Get a chance there for a moment, BTJ. I bet Ladd McConkey. he'll take a number in the 80s. You know, he'll be the first one and the last one out.

He'll be wearing, he'll be wearing, no, he'll be, let's do, uh, let's do another white guy in the slot comp and go 83 for Mr. Welker. Let's, let's have, we should just do an entire podcast on the best and the worst numbers. Do you not remember we used to do, uh, when New Jersey's were coming out as often. It was like every week we would do just Jersey updates. Like, that's what I feel like is about to happen with numbers. Like I think that's not like we don't have 15 questions. my most boomer takes on this entire planet are that first off no NBA team should wear

alternates in the playoffs that drives me crazy um be serious you're you're in the playoffs you're in a business mission where white at home and colored on the road that's that's what that's what teams do in the NBA um no no alternates please and then I think that wide receivers should wear numbers in the 80s I'm not against them expressing their rights to wear alternative numbers. I just enjoy a nice number in the 80s. You know, back when I was young, and I thought people were getting uppity with their, with their 12s and their 14s. And nowadays, people can just do anything. We got we got people wearing zero.

24, Skymore. You know, you're wearing 24 and was severely punished for that choice. Yeah. Ridiculous. So that's a good boomer take back in my day back in my day Marvin Harrison wore 88 Reggie Wayne wore 87 84 was good enough for Randy Moss 84 was good enough for Randy Moss it's good enough for you no that's that's what a Jerry Rice wear kids my boomer's my boomer's jersey take is that I hate the NBA's

T-shirts like I hate the t-shirt jerseys are some of the most horrific and I'll also say the MLB city connect jerseys all but three of them suck. They're terrible. I like the Padres one. The Padres one is super dope. I like how colorful it is.

I think it's a dope jersey. Actually like the Rockies white and green. I think that one's really cool too. And I actually like the White Sox jerseys. Yeah. Other than that, awful. And stop doing it. I don't know why.

I know the Colorado license. I wasn't going to ask. if I'm being honest with you. I used to have a game. Hey, let's. I don't know why I say, I don't know. I do know. I used to have a game that I'd play with my dad whenever we'd go on like a road trip,

even if it wasn't a very exciting one. Sometimes it'd be to Fargo. And he had a printout list of all the license plates of the United States. Anytime if we saw one, we'd have to cross it off. And so we, if we went somewhere with my mom, like Minneapolis or whatever, she'd be sleeping in in the morning. And my dad and I would get up at 6 a.m. And we'd go all across the strip of hotels with my piece of paper.

with all the license plates to check all of the cars and all of the hotel parking lots to find as many license plates as I could find. That was when I was like six and I thought it was the most fun thing imaginable. And so I still have like a perfect memory of all American license plates because I probably don't because I have a perfect memory of all American license plates in 2003. And in my mind, they haven't changed. But they very much might have. They for sure have 100%.

Okay. Let's get back on track here. We can hammer a few more out quickly before we get out of here so we don't completely disappoint everyone. We're obviously not going to get to all of these questions now. I'm going to save some of these for the following week. Let's do that. Lucas, let's mark the questions that we've asked and then we'll move it on for the week after that. Let's start by this one.

Curious, I know we talk about this every year. We kind of do a segment about this every year. I feel this is a good time to kind of hit on it a little quickly and then we can do a full episode on a little bit later with a guest. But I'm curious, what is y'alls? Shout out to someone else that use y'all. I'm also a yaller.

Y'all's biggest rookie misses were and how you change your process because of it. And I'm going to mention that we can't all say Skymore. That is always my go-to. I feel like that was like a big, and a friend of mine, Alex mentioned that like he feels like

a lot of new fantasy players were around the year or two leading up to Skymore being drafted. So he feels like that's a lot of the new influx of fantasy analysts and players. Like big mistake. I get that. I will say for me, 100% was Chris Olav. That is one for me. I was just out on him, late to Claire, through everything else out the window.

Chris Alavi to me was the player that, and you know, I might, be a little bit right on that as he's teetering right on nesting doll territory but uh it did in fact change how i look at late declares even before the nil stuff really hit it really started to change my wide receiver scouting process and how i applied some data i missed on chris olave all the alave i have came a year or two after him being in the league i had zero in rookie drafts because every time I was just like, nope, I'm out Lake Declare,

boom, and I moved on, and it cost me. It cost me big. I lost the load on that. I can wear that big fat L on my chest, but at this point now I'm almost hoping he stays in Nestingdale territory so I can somehow take a W for that four years later.

Anyone else? Who's next? I'll go. I think my biggest probably Kishon Vaughn. That one. That one hurt. Yeah. That one.

that one that one still stings a little bit uh but you know you move on i think it's definitely still something i'm always fighting is the take lock from the film uh yes film just like numbers can really lie to you from time to time and yeah so can yeah so can fancy analysts as well i know how excited we all were getting with the landing spot we thought that was the best possible thing for Kishon Vaughn going to Tampa Bay the ability to use this wide diverse skill set that he had but he wasn't really

particularly great at any of them but he could do all of them. It really is for me just constantly fighting that first initial thought that I have on a player and trying to actually expand upon it

provide more context to what makes this a player that I should actually like Like, we'll, what I'm seeing back this up. This year, we'll see. I think Keon Coleman might end up burning me. It's going to be really sad. I'll have a brief little funeral over in the corner over here.

And, you know, we'll be fine. We'll move on from it. But it really is just fighting that take lock. That's something I'm always working into my process. And I call it Devi take lock. So there you go. Of course, film can lie to you, though. Right.

You're going to have eight film guys all sit in a room, watch the same film and watch how many of them agree on something. Right? Like it's, yeah, it's just how it is. You're right. It can lie to you depending on what you're looking at,

right? That's why we don't claim to be scouts. Skies like easily the real answer here and like the biggest L that was impactful. To kind of changing my perspective on things. But with him excluded from the mix, I would say it's like a smaller scale one, but it's a recent one that has definitely made a legitimate change in how I have you guys. But Tank Bigsby would be one that comes to mind.

And that it's a shift, some of the biggest shift on how I'm viewing this running back class and class going forward to from trying to find sort of the jack of all trades of like, okay, I'm just trying to look for guys who have like some possibility of base competence in all aspects of the fantasy scoring elements of the position versus trying to focus a little bit more on like who is good at a thing, who has a thing that they can do well to get on the field. And so that's probably the one that's kind of reversed a little bit of how I'm

looking at that position. No, I like that a lot. I think that's important. You're right. You're trying to find the three down back in the late second and in the third round and, and, you know, maybe blocking some stuff out.

I think that's big. And to piggyback off Lucas, the biggest L for me, you know, Vaughn and then Jefferson, right? Obviously, Vaughn had a higher ADP than Jefferson his rookie year.

There are situations where I took Giovante Williams over Jamar Chase for the same reasons that Lucas just mentioned. So you want to talk about guys not wanting to air their, like biggest whiffs and misses. There's a few of mine and I wear them. I wear them proudly because it helps us get to where we are now. I'm not afraid of them. You can make fun of me for it in the comment section.

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here's one. I like this one here. Justin Tech, how do you all feel about Rochon's Dynasty Valley? No one will buy him from me. No, he doesn't have any dynasty value. It does not have any. You're holding him.

Don't drop him, though. Do not drop him and don't sell him for a fourth. Well, here's why. Roshan Johnson to me is definitely one of the guys. Now, granted, it's a rookie contract. This is like a far outtake. I don't think Dallas is done acquiring running backs. And I think there are a few running backs that will become available,

whether it's in Dallas or the Chargers, there are some places that need a few more backs. And guys like Rochon, who I understand, the rookie contracts, whatever, could be dealt to some of these teams later. I think it's not him that gets dealt.

I think Herbert would be the guy they deal, but either way that's great for Rocheon. Right. So no matter what one of these guys can end up being on the move, and if they are, then you're profiting. Do not sell for nothing, but his dynasty value right now is kind of tanked.

I mean, yeah, He's just, look, there's all sorts of running backs that like don't really have any trade value, but that you want to just keep on your bench and he's, he's one of those guys, right? I mean, it's just you're, it's a little crowded right now because him and Herbert are both there. But, you know, DeAndre Swift has not been exactly a picture of reliability over his whole career. And so, you know, all of a sudden he goes down for six weeks and one of Rochon or Herbert probably becomes an every week starter, maybe both of them even.

And all of a sudden, now you have a useful player. Yep. Henry gets it. I was going to take strad last year to one QBee league where my starter is Aaron Rogers, but I bought the Roshan Johnson hype and went him instead. See, if you were here, you wouldn't have got that Roshan Johnson hype. So I'm just saying another reason for Dynasty Points to have you liking and subscribing. Hopefully we can, he was just not a guy I ever bought in with.

Sad Cubs fan on X. Hopefully you've hit like and subscribe. With QBs being illiquid going back to a conversation we had a while ago, why does seemingly every analyst say Caleb 101, no matter? What? We definitely have not. I don't think Caleb Williams is the pick 101 no matter what. I know that I have taken Marvin at 101 at times. I know Jacob, you yourself have taken Marvin 101 at times.

I don't think it's a no matter what situation. Yeah, I think that it's, I think he's the 101. I think he should be the 101. But I'm, yeah, I've mentioned this in this court stuff. I think there's circumstances in which I'm okay with taking Marvin there. It's just a matter of first off, I think you have to be a really high value team to consider it. I think if you're not, then I think you're just losing value right off the clips. You should just take the higher value player.

And I don't just mean higher value like in the market. I think in a vacuum Caleb is more likely to provide more productive value of replacement to your team in most circumstances. But yeah, I think to me, it's not just a value game, like especially as the higher value team. I think more than anything, Dynasty is a scarcity game, the further you scale up, the value scale of your team. And so what I mean by that is just if you have, you know, base level, you're looking, how can I add as much value to my team as possible? Once you've added a lot, then it becomes how can I concentrate as much of this value in my starting lineup as I can, right? And that's a bit of a different goal. And so when you get into that,

if you already have your two top quarterbacks and you have an opportunity to then get Caleb, there's only certain trades that make sense, right? Just trading Caleb for like a bunch of assets, even if they add up to his total value, probably doesn't help you that much. So, you know, I'd be looking to see, can I move back to the 102 and get a piece? Okay, maybe you can't? I'll be looking, can I move Caleb laterally for Chase or Jefferson or Lamb? and you might not be able to.

And if those options have all been exhausted and you have two top quarterbacks and, you know, your option is either take a QB3 or four and Caleb or it's trade them for like kind of a bag of stuff or just take the next most scarce asset, I think it's totally reasonable to just be like, I'm just going to take Marvin. I'll sacrifice a slight market value loss and I'll get the assets more useful to my team. So I won't be doing it often, but I've done it twice. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think there's a few different ways where,

again, I think you hit this pretty well. I also think that if you're a natural 101, you probably shouldn't be taking the Kayla Williams pick anyway. You give your team is actually that devout of talent. I think you should be moving that pick for as much as you can. Well, moving back as far as much. Hopefully, if you have the natural 101,

you have an extremely valued team because you just tanked a season. I understand. It's not always the case, though. We see a lot of guys who tanked the wrong way or tank too far, right? Or, oh, they try to play it smart. I'm not going to acquire this year. I'm going to acquire 25 or 26 instead, and they pass on it. But they kept their 101.

I just think there's, I think there's, like I said, a couple scenarios. So there's that. There is that. I don't think it should be a unanimous decision. I didn't want to ignore this question from a name, the last name, that I will not even attempt to butcher. Yeah, so from Matthew, name who I will not butcher live into this microphone. I'm going to go to a Paltzvietel.

Matthew Saltsvietel. That's a pretty good, that's a pretty good guess, actually. I play in a 20-team 1 QB Dynasty League with IDP. You're a madman, but we appreciate and love you very much. Any thoughts on how to approach drafting and roster management in a 20-team league starting RBs are always in demand? I think you kind of answered your own question. You have to target in your league the position of, scarcity and for you guys it'll likely be running backs and what I assume linebackers are for you in

IDP because from what I remember they kind of score similarly and the good ones are in as sparse demand as running backs so that's just what I can recall correct me on that if you want in the comments I would appreciate it but for me it is identifying the highest value and then obviously targeting those positions. 20 teams are is insane. I think you guys are all nuts. Yeah,

I don't play in any league that's similar enough for me to feel like I could give good advice, but I liked what Tom said on the process in terms of targeting the sheriff's position. As soon as I saw 20 team, one quarterback dynasty league, the first thing that popped into my mind

was, you know, the song Crazy Bitch by Buck Cherry? That was just the first thing that came into my mind. I saw one quarterback dynasty and I was like, York Friday's a bird, Oh my God. Look, come for the dynasty. I know Lucas was hammering that at the wedding.

He played that five times. Had to have been. Had to have it. That's probably that was probably his walk-up song. He hasn't denied it. For the audio listeners, he's smiling and he's visibly chuckling, but he is not he's turning red now. I think he is, he's blushing.

That's more because my AC has been out and I am sweating profusely. right now because I don't have a fan. Now he's distracting from the initial allegation. I have passed my fan like off to where the bedroom can actually be cool. Yeah. So Lucas right now is in full deflection mode. Buck Cherry fanboy confirmed along with his Taylor Swiftism. I've seen.

I've seen Buckcherri. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. Last question before we get out here. Right an hour and 40. Can we get a Debbie hot take from everyone?

25, 26 pick season is coming and Sleeper already added 27. So you are the resident Devy guy Lucas. Now is your floor. This is this question was made for you specifically. So right now, the quarterback

class next year looks weak as can be, but a name to watch right now and this is not John Errington. He was very much approve. But Jackson Dart of Ole Miss, super cheap buy right now compared to a lot of the other quarterbacks. Conor Wegman's a little too high for me, especially because Carson Beck's going after him too.

But Jackson Dart, that's the quarterback name. I'm watching right now. All of the other like skill positions, though, look pretty stacked, except for tight-ins. But we'll figure that one now eventually. It's really sad after what we've had recently in terms of this past Titan class. And then now with Brock Bowers, yeah, it's going to take some time before we see more Titans who can come in to play them. But yeah, that's the main one. Yeah.

I do like Vico I'm Malieva, QB1. That's very fun. Fortunately, we have two years before that can happen. The 2026 quarterback class looks unbelievably stacked. That's going to be a lot of fun. Right. And remember, if you want CFF football content, we do have Josh Havolier and the crew every Monday night.

So if you're looking for that, hit subscribe, because there's nothing fantasy points doesn't really do. Depeche does ask, is it worth, is it worth it to sell someone like Alave for a top three rookie wide receiver? I would. I would. Jacob? I would sell him for two of the top three. Not for Adunzee?

Interesting. I think I would move him for a dunzee. Yeah, I think I would. Lucas? Okay. push back on this Adunze thing. The world is telling me that my receivers are good now because of Chris Salave, which is why you have to trade Chris Alave for Roma Duncei?

No, I just look at his, I just look where his values at. I believe Adunzee will end up going ahead of where Chris Olave is, and Chris Olave is stuck in purgatory with a quarterback that can't utilize his best skill set downfield. We have seen...

They've got Spencer Rattler now, all right? They've got somebody. Yeah, let's relax. If we would have had James Winston, with Chris Alave. I think Chris Alave's value is... That's the Rattler is James. Okay, okay.

But no, I'm looking at this from a value perspective. He asks, is it worth it? I mean, from a value perspective, right? I think there's some prospect fatigue on Alave. And there's some hype on Adunze. And I think Adunze is going to surpass him if he hasn't already, as I'm quickly trying to go and pull it up to make sure I didn't just make an ass of myself. a lave is going yeah

one two three four five six seven eight seven seven spots away from a dunce and I could definitely see a world with that flip flops so I'll say yes I think I would but don't blame anyone else for for not doing it anyway I still have a lobby over a dunezay so okay okay there you go I'm going to be the lone wolf on this one

lone wolf on this one that's it that's the show another hour and 45 there are questions that we didn't get to because we went on some side tangents, but hopefully it was in-depth content for you guys that you don't get anywhere else. I pride on this show being different than other dynasty fantasy football shows. Look, you want the here's five players to let your league make to jump on before you and three players to guarantee a win in your dynasty league. Get it out of here.

We like to think. We like to make people think. And there's one person here who likes to think about thinking. And that's Jacobs. Let's talk about what you have going in your substack. That is an elite segue, by the way. I'll take my flowers at the end. Take us away.

Nothing. Nothing to plug. I mean, all the rookie content is still there. So the Ricky walk through all the pre-draft stuff as you're doing rookie drafts. I have more than enough content for you on there. Otherwise, I'm tools down for a little bit here while I just relax after a massive cod

templates of a rookie season. But it is hot best ball summer. So I will have best ball rankings. and best ball articles up shortly. And I also want to apologize to Lucas, who I yelled at, who was correct, even though I think he was spiritually wrong, and the larger point about Jordan Laws value,

but what he was literally saying was correct. He was going apparently, not according to keep trade cut, but I believe that the chart he was looking at was correct. And so I apologize for yelling at him. Final thoughts, Lucas? To close to the show, I got to know where you all stand

on baseball vests. We already talked about uniforms. I got to know this one. Yeah. I love a baseball vest. Like the old school like Todd Helton-Rockies era. Yeah. I mean,

the reds brought them back as well. Let's not forget the massive jacked. Dietrich, who is just literally pumping dumbbells in the dugout and mashing home runs. So there you go. SGA is going down right now. I have been. I'm just.

loving this. Yeah, Jacob having the basketball game on right now. Not surprising if you know, my final thoughts are this. Fantasy football is supposed to be fun. No matter how many times we can sit here and tell you draft this guy because of this data where the film says this or the ADP says that at the end of the day, if there's a guy you like and you really want to have them on your roster, this game is supposed to be fucking fun. Draft them. Especially if it's in a spot where it's the third round and you're like, I got nothing to lose. Draft them. Just

put them on your team. I never will tell you to do something that I think is completely detrimental to your roster for the sake of fun. This game is still supposed to be fun and that shouldn't be lost on anyone. It is still a game that we are playing with hopefully our friends. There's some couple people I play with and I'm not the biggest fan of, but you know what? That's just part of the territory. But look, that's been the program. Love and appreciate every single one of you guys.

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Drake or Kendrick? Oh, Metro Booman. That's my... Metro's my answer. Yeah, the man made the first dis instrumental. It was amazing. That's my answer. I'm staying out of it before they come after me. I haven't actually listened to a single one of these disc tracks, so I have no idea, but I've been hearing all about it.

Lucas is still jamming Taylor Swift's new album. George Straham still jamming Taylor Swift. I didn't realize other people were allowed to put out music for at least two more months. Oh, yeah, classic. I should observe the waiting period. Yeah. She's going to conquer that market like she did concerts. I'm team Kendrick, by the way, even though Drake's Canadian, I got a, I got a, yeah, absolutely.

But Metro really won this, in my opinion. also somebody somebody go search for j cole i mean i'm getting concerned now okay that's that's gonna do it that's our program hope you enjoyed leave a comment let you know what you think of the episode we really appreciate all you guys remember to check in on your loved ones even if you're not sure that they need it remember that clear hours and full hearts can never lose in your best days they're always spent tilting good night everybody