Fantasy Football Daily - Dynasty Fantasy Football Q&A | College Fantasy Football Edition

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

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What? Why are you shaking your head? You're welcome. Hello, it's the CFF All Access podcast. I'm Eric Froton with Josh Savalier and Zach Hall. And today, that's right. I'm wearing my Chris Moxley shirt. Isn't that amazing?

Isn't that nice? You see, I was on Jared's podcast, obviously, the very highly rated CTN, which just came out today, in fact. And Moxley made a dig at my nasty boys wrestling t-shirts. So in order to, to, you know, satiate the king of CFF fashion himself, Chris Moxley, I went with my Moxley shirt. But you'll notice Mike Banderidge is not here. Reason why he was actually married in the CFF Royal Wedding this past weekend. I think it's fair.

I think this is the CFF Royal Wedding. Obviously, Amy, not a CFF fan, but, you know, we'll look past that. But with Josh Chevalier marrying Mike Bainbridge, how can it not be? How can it not be the royal wedding of CFF? I mean, we could all only be so lucky. Tell us about that splendid affair, Josh. Yeah, man. Well, I think the biggest news is that I kept that thing under 25 minutes.

So as an efficient, you always want to be short, sweet, and to the point. You want it to be impactful, right? You want it to be meaningful, personal. Very. But you don't want people dying of heat stroke out in the Chicago 95 degree weather either. So it was great, man. We had a fun time. Got to meet Mike's family and friends.

And I think that's one of the best parts of things like this is, you know, we all interact so much online, right? Over the phone, you know, all these different places. But when you get to spend time, like when you went out to San Diego and see you saw you, Froton, when Bainbridge did, it's like, you just get to see somebody's world. And it makes that relationship, I think, going deeper. So I'm super thankful for that. We missed you guys at the wedding. Zach Cole actually had like a little, you know, a little piece.

One of those little like, you know, savers or whatever, had a placeholder for them. And so we definitely missed you, Zach. But it was great. I got to talk to complete strangers for like three hours. And it was awesome. So lots of fun, man. I'm glad to be here. And Froton, you weren't there either because you were at a different event.

a very important event in our world, the official Elite 11. And so you spent a couple days out there, and we talked about that this last week on the show. And so I wanted to follow up with you. You saw a lot of quarterbacks the last few days. And so I want to ask you some questions about, you know, different quarterbacks and guys that were out there and who you liked and stuff like that. So first question I had you for you, man, is just who impressed you the most? out there at the Elite 11th camp. I would think the winner, Keelan Russell, was the overall best player there.

But gosh, you know, I feel like last year where Julian Sagan was a pretty clear number one. And Jackson Arnold, the year before, I felt very comfortable with his number one rating. He was just dicing up the field. It looked incredible. I feel like he was a closer top of this 247 class, while Keelan. and Russell, you know, deservedly an Alabama commit out of Duncanville, Texas, 63175. You know, on tape, you look at me, it looks a little thin, but I feel like he filled out a little bit over the summertime. That can certainly happen where we're watching tape that's coming from September, October, November, and here we are in June.

And, you know, at 17 years old, going into a senior year, these 2025 QB commits certainly can develop. I thought he looked good. You know, he had only a 94-247 PR rating was QB7 in terms of, you know, their overall ranks. So the fact that he came out and won the Elite 11 finals over Octavian St. Clair, over Juju Lewis, over Husson Longstreet, over Duce Knight, like several guys who were all there that are right at the top of that heap behind Bryce Underwood, who is, you know, the pretty clear one of this class.

I feel like Keel and Russell looked amazing. I actually had the opportunity to talk with his QV coach as well at length, just sort of about the process that they go through in terms of getting ready for this and how they prepare and told me just things that you love hearing about any quarterback. Like he's extremely sharp. He's, you know, the way he processes, you know, going through that. He's like he's one of the smarter kids he's ever had. and that sort of processing

and that sort of ability really translated to the field because nothing that was thrown at them seemed like it was too much. And especially those pro days, you know, kids are used to the sevens. They play the sevens. They do a structure throws,

but they're not used to doing 20 throws in a row with the pro day. Like, there's no way to recreate that, really. So when they're doing that full, you know, the duck and the, the full span of those drills, very impressive. And nothing.

was too big for him. So while it was a close class in my opinion, he was the alpha and he deserved that. Yeah. And you know, I mean, Keelan Russell is a guy that's been playing pretty high level ball for a long time, right? And the leader on that Duncanville team that's a state champion. They might be back to back stage champs there. They're under DeCore and Moore, number one wide receiver in that class, right? 29 and one record back to back champs, correct. Yeah. So I mean, this kid's a leader. He's got all of the Straits. It's really interesting too, right? I believe he was an SMU commit just up until like a month ago. Like you might know about it than I do, but it was very recent that he switches

commitment to Alabama, correct? Yeah, absolutely. But I mean, Kailin DeVore comes in and he sees what he likes. It's funny because that kind of flowed downhill because the week right before the Elite 11, and Ty Hawkins, who's a TCU commit, went and visited SMU in that chain of events that flows down. Well, now SMU's open. Now they're going to take a shot in TCU's room, one of their commits. So that all flows downhill. It obviously shows that the post-Prescentone era is a big concern for Red Lashley over there at SMU. And it should be because it's obvious why Alabama went after Keelan because he was there.

and he's the best out of that whole field. So, you know, onward and upward. You know, SMU has to adjust. Yeah, and it's fun when guys just check off these boxes, right? Leader plays high-level competition, goes when to the elite 11. Man, and that Kailen-Dabors system, gotly, Keelan Russell is going to be really fun. Zach, give me thoughts. I mean, of Keelan Russell in that system specifically?

Yeah, I'm not super familiar. I haven't watched a lot of them yet, but, you know, that it's obviously a great system for QBs. So what little I do know, I'm excited for what he can do in that system there. But I don't have a ton of thoughts yet, I guess. I haven't done a ton on these freshman guys yet. There are these, I guess, going to be 13 years. I'm not that far out yet. Yeah, you're too busy doing projections for this year. So we, we, we, we. We appreciate that. Okay, bro, I'm going to end with this question. The top CFFQB and the 2025 dynasty drafts will be. Bryce Underwood, definitely, definitely. He wasn't at the Elite 11 because frankly he didn't have to be there. But gosh, it seemed the full total package of the size, the arm, you know, the nice whip-quick delivery. I mean, the full profile is there. And going to LSU, it's all, I feel bad for Colin Hurley, who just went over there, you know,

and had a nice showing himself last year at the early 11. But, man, Bryce Underwood's coming in. And with Newsmeyer probably heading out, who knows? Newsmeyer is a great season. He's gone this year. His dad's a high-level QB coach. If he's not, maybe they get him one more year. And then it's just a straight handoff to Underwood.

Otherwise, you know, maybe there's a bridge year, one of his understudy coach. studies, but I think you could challenge right away. You could challenge right away in that system. And if that's the case, I mean, you could be lethal from a college fantasy standpoint. Yeah, absolutely. No, I love that. I love that. All right, this is like a little trailer before the big show, right?

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We'll see. We'll hit that up later. But we have, we've set up the show in basically three different segments, right? So we had three different sets of questions that I felt all went together. overall kind of set up in format of a dynasty league. And then we had some strategy questions that came in, like, what are you going to do with certain players in certain places? And then we had kind of player personnel.

Like, what do we think of these types of players? And so we're going to use that kind of for the flow of the show. And so for this first segment, for the first 15 minutes or so, we're going to talk about kind of overall setup and format. And so I'm going to throw out a, I'd say a soft. ball here to you guys. I'm going to put these questions in the chat as well. So those that are falling along can see the questions that came in. This first one's from Daniel Dixon at that dude Danny D who we, man, we do best balls with him, or at least I do all the time.

And so he asked some good question here. But he had two questions, two-parter here. First one is, what do you guys use for your league chats for your leagues? And then second question, when's the best time to do a startup draft. So your leagues, what do you guys use for to communicate with one another? Yeah, Discord. We do that in one of my dynasties. And that seems to be worked pretty well. I kind of like Josh, you've set that up a little bit where we have different channels.

So if you want to talk trades or whatever, we can, you can kind of go in there. But that seems to work pretty well. with our league and what we need to get done. Yeah. Proton news, anything else? Oh, gosh, you know, other than just a group text thread for like personal leagues, obviously, that's sort of a thing. Yeah.

But, you know, DMs a lot. DMs are pretty effective, at least in draft. That's the way that you do it with the X. That's how we do all that other stuff. So a lot of the times that draft communication method will just sort of bleed over into you know, communication for the league itself. Yeah. Those are the two that I've used.

I used group me for a little bit, but Discord was so much better because of what you just said, Zach. Like there's so many different channels in there. And so really you can talk a lot of different. I think too, Josh, did is Discord? Can you have the like the votes? Because I know we've done some of that where is that where we did the voting was in Discord? That wasn't GroupMe that we did some of that.

Okay. You probably can do it in Discord, too. But yeah, that was helpful, too, when we did that. All right, let me ask you guys another question here. When's the best time to do a startup draft, in your opinion? I like July, mid to end of July. You kind of get some of the spring news kind of get, you know, I think everybody's still kind of filling out,

making sure depth charts are good. So when you're really looking at where some of these first, freshman guys might fit in on their current rosters. You get a little bit there. I guess you could probably go a little bit later into August if you want to get some fall camp news. But I like that July time frame because you have to do a little bit of research yourself and find some of those guys and maybe find some of those hidden gems.

But I like that kind of late July timeframe. I'd like to get just a little bit into early August. like camps to break a little and just be able to see who at least is on the field. If there's somebody who's still lingering from those spring injuries, I'd like to have just sort of some kind of a clue into that. And then, you know, maybe if it's starting in that for a second week of August, you have enough time, but then you get a little news. And as the draft goes on, you know, it's going to be a slow draft typically most of the time if you're doing a startup.

Maybe towards the end of that draft, you catch some nuggets to come in. You can take advantage of that on the back end in rounds 30 through 40, 45. Yeah. Yeah, I like that a lot. Yeah, I guess with that question, what do you guys think is the ideal roster size? We're getting into this a little bit more here in a minute. Sorry, I said a fly. Just to go right in my face.

What's your ideal roster size for a league? I like, actually. I think that 45 number is. pretty good, you know, and I do think that, especially in these dynasties, and obviously, dynasties that we're talking about, I like to have some kind of a taxi squad, too, because I want to have some place to put those freshmen that we're all stashing, and then be able to just say, all right, I know this is my taxi squad, we can't move them. Once they're there, they're there, you know, like just freeze those taxi spots, use them similarly into the dynasty in the NFL,

and then be able to have a little more velocity in your roster because I'll frequently, you know, I'll take some of my really, my more talented freshmen and I'll put them on the taxi squad, which is frozen because I know I'm not going to drop them and have those guys that are a little bit further down the board. If you got to churn, you want those guys on the active roster and protect your little, your nuggets and your gems. Because sometimes you have a tendency to want to drop one of those guys if you're in season. And it's almost like a, you know, a break in case of glass.

It keeps me away from them a little bit just by knowing that I'm going to use that spot. And I'm not going to want to. So there's an element of strategy involved too for everybody. So I like 45 and, you know, three to five, whatever eight you want to call it, probably five. Yeah. A taxi. Yeah. And, Zach, let me ask you the same question because we start off with a lower number for our total roster size.

and we've kind of increased over the years in our league. What is your thoughts? Yeah. So we have, I think we have like eight of the like taxi or the, we call it minor. I think minor league spot in ours. I think we have 50, 50 guys. I think that's the top. I think that's the top of where you want to be because you can get to a place where there's

less strategy involved with how you manage that roster, right? you can just kind of hoard a bunch of guys and you can have a lot of guys that aren't necessarily going to get you any value this year, but kind of stash them away. So you don't want too many spots. So like I said, we're at 50 right now. I think in that 45 to 50 is probably the top of where I would want it to be. You know, there are times where I love it because I was like, all right, I can, you know, grab a few more guys and stash them on my bench.

But at the same time, I like where you have to really manage. that roster and be a little a little bit smarter with who you're who you're keeping around and which guys you want to go go forward with. Yeah, I really think especially if you're a beginner to do it closer to the season when it starts. And to do like, you know, I think 45 is great with pro time. But if you're playing with like any three of us and you have 45 roster spots and you're new to this, like, it's just tough. Like, it's going to be tough to compete. And so you may, like, if you're just starting off for your first one,

try to get one that has maybe 30 to 35 roster spots so you can learn and grow and then expand it over time. Because if you do 45, like, you really then, like, what we all love and what you love in Dynasty, you get the stash players away for the future while having a pretty solid, like 30 players that you're choosing. from every week. And when you get into that, it can be really tough for, you know, for people to catch up. So I would say if you're a beginner, do that. But if you're confident, then go 45.

Go ahead, Zach. Yeah, I think, too, just having some IR spots is pretty important for Dynasty, especially with guys that you want that have those season-long injuries or whatever, but you want to hold on. So a couple of IR spots feels important to have as well. Definitely. I should have mentioned. I'm sorry about a good call. I do want to point out. the comments, our boy, Carp, why not do dino draft at end of current season and then do a freshman draft in the summer to shorten it? That's interesting, you know, and it's, that's almost a variation on just leaving the waiver wire open, you know, Nikki and Allen's league for the first couple of years where we did it. It was that wide open waiver wire. It was just, you're in,

you're in February, and you're seeing a bunch of flurry of transactions like, geez, who's out there, shark and guys right now. You know? But, and it kind of speaks to that. That's kind of a modification on it. I do think that, you know, sure, it shortens the draft going that way, but I would rather have that full player pool,

that full, complete player pool to kind of where if you want to go the freshman direction, you can, but there's going to be some valuable upperclassmen that sort of shuttle into relevance that I want to have available. But you make a good point about the Dino draft at the end of the year. And then a freshman draft. Like that's something I haven't done before, but I'm intrigued by it. I don't want to say no, because I feel like I almost have to think about it because I haven't done it before. But that's, as Karp mentioned, much preferable than having the open waiver

all year. I'd be open to his point, much more. I like that. It's an interesting idea. I think you would almost want to maybe not do it right at the end of the season. because of all the transfers and everything that's going to happen, but almost maybe like end of spring, maybe do something like the May time frame. You get through spring camps. Guys are hopefully, for the most part, settled in on their team. So you can almost do that draft then.

And then maybe the freshman a little bit later would be definitely an interesting concept, though. Yeah. One more thing. Bless Carp's sweetheart here. You mentioned another good one. And talking about best balls, he runs a million of them. And he says, he has a hard time getting people in summer to join,

which is a factor I hadn't thought about with the NFL angle, about how, I mean, obviously in our landscape, we're just like NFL. But we got to think of what we're trying to do in order to grow. Right. And if we're going to,

you know, if people are going to be far more likely to be immersed in that NFL culture in August, well, that kind of gives a little credence to what Zach is saying, but maybe we can pluck them in that mid to late July. And a great point. Great point I hadn't really factored in.

Yeah, I remember when I first started, and I'm going to kind of go back between CTC and CFF Dynasty a little bit during this show. But like I remember when I first started with CTC during COVID, like those March drafts were really fun. And there wasn't a lot of news out there yet. And I had already studied freshmen. So that was a lot of fun to be able to do those. but so I do think there are some credence, but it is like it's tough in March.

It is tough because it's a lot of the same people drafting. I mean, it's the diehards that are during that time. But if it could be something where like we could get NFL guys like carp to come into it during that time period because it's a dead period for NFL, then, man, I'm all about trying whatever to get people involved in in this format for sure. And last point on this, since it's the, you know, it's in the flow, that people are too geared up for NFL and late July. I will offer this counterpoint.

Late July is when the game drops NCAA NCAA 2K5. I think that could have a little effect. I'm hoping it has some kind of a cultural effect in terms of people's consciousness and willingness to be interested in it. Let's pray. You know what I mean? And the FSGA drafts, yes, I'm well aware of them. I will be in the gambling drafts.

however that goes tomorrow at I believe 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. I will be in that draft. In fact, I was in the previous one for the basketball and baseball season, and I'm looking good because I took the Celtics to win the NBA championship. So out of my $10,000 I had to allocate and spread across all my bets, I got $7,000 back. I'm well on my way to profitability. I'm very excited about it. So, FSJ is legit. I'm very excited, and I will be attending July 22nd and 23rd. In my hometown of Boston, where I will be headlining, that's right, I will be headlining the Scott Fish Bowl event the night before Sunday night, July 21st, with my own special

brand of Yacht Rock karaoke. That's amazing. Yeah, in my hometown of Boston. So, guys, I'm going all the way with this. Either it's going to be a spectacular failure or it's going to be a coronation. Either way, it's going to be something. Let me tell you, I've got some things planned. That's awesome.

I love that. Hey, we've got another question here from Purple Rain. He said, we'd love to hear you guys cover how a new dynasty player can find leagues to join and any other startup advice. We'll get to the other startup advice, but yeah, where do people find new leagues to join? Where have you guys found leagues to join in Dynasty specifically? I think it's different for me. I feel like we're kind of swimming in the pool.

You know, like we're kind of out there like, hey, there's a dynasty. Like I started, I wouldn't did one with Dynasty nerds. But that's where I heard about them. It's just on the air. You know, they're on the air. And a lot of these hosts or people who do these things talk about it. And I just try to seek out those people who do a lot of that. like, you know, props to our friend Kevin Coleman and the Debbie Royale, they just, you know, inked up with fan tracks and are a part of them.

And we love and respect those guys very much. Kevin's a fellow California guy. So I feel like those resources that we know out, obviously, Carp, Jared, our boy, Jared, 110%. The industry bulwarks that are out there. I think, like, you know, lists run some too. those guys great yeah the industry people

will have those sort of things and put them together yeah I I've totally I've had people come to us you know different ones of us like hey would you start a league or would you help me get in a dynasty league

and that's another way that I've seen a lot of people do it is like we'll just like hey you know whatever purple rain is looking for a dynasty league do you guys have any you just throw it out there or Like, hey, if we can get enough people, let's start a new one. I like to do a new one every year just to get into the flow of like that year and kind of understanding what's going on.

So I'm always down to help start one of those as long as somebody else is commissioning it. Because what's the season hits, man, it's bonkers. Oh, yeah. Zach, what about you? I think, too, like get on some of the discords, right, through some of the sites. and such a great community on on i mean there's a there's a handful out there where just a bunch of guys that um love to play college fantasy football um just see if people are interested in in having a dynasty league so i think that could be a pretty good spot as well as the discords and

just some of the communities out there i mean there's you know it's it's surprising to me still even to this day just how many you know the interaction you can get in some of those discords and and how engaged people can be. And so I think that could be a good spot to find some some leagues as well. Yeah, for sure. Somebody's always got a connection there. A lot of it is word of mouth in this in this world. Hey, we're going to take a quick break here. Jared Palmgren, our boy that Roton just mentioned had a great question here about what's our blueprint for a dynasty league, number of teams, how many roster spots, how to handle trade deadlines, lots of good questions. I think that I want to get into. But,

We're going to do that right after this break. All right. So here's the questions. Man, this is a two-parter in the text here, but I'm going to put on the screen so everybody can see it. But what's our blueprint for our Dynasty League? So a number of teams, how many roster spots? We already kind of handled that so we can skip that.

How do you handle trade deadlines? And then the last one, you know, in a supplemental draft, how many rounds are you going? and then fixed, you know, is it a fixed number of picks or you go until a team spilled? So we'll take it one at a time. So Froton, why don't you answer this first? I think you got some opinions on this. So number of teams in the league overall and then how are you handling trade deadlines? Incredible questions, as always, from Jared.

Number of teams. This is a, it seems like a simple question, but it really isn't, right? because the simple answer is you want as many as you can get, right? I want as the more the merrier in college fantasy. We're allowed to explore the canvas in a way that NFL can't. They can't. How many dynasty teams can you really have in NFL? You know what I mean?

Right. For us? How many do you want? How many? Nate's got the 24 team dynasty. Yeah. And we're going through it. And it's still like, oh, you feel like you.

you got dudes that you can still take sort of at the end of that supplemental, despite the fact that it's loaded and it's just fast. But my answer, you know, I'd like to modify it to, as many as you think you can comfortably keep it without having too much turnover. You know, you don't want to over-expand and then just have to just slash in year two. And it's like, oh, my gosh, we lost four teams. you know, what are we going to do here? Or even worse, we lost three.

You know, we got to replace at least one at that point. So it's just back in the corner. Then you've got a team, you've got to replace it. It's like it puts you in a bad spot. So depending on the core and the quality of the guys in terms of their commitment and girls, that would dictate how big the league size would be. But as many as you can comfortably project that you can keep. I like it. Yeah, Zach, what do you think?

Yeah, I like the ability, I mean, Froton nailed it, the ability to have a lot of a lot of teams in the league, right? Like, we have that ability. And kind of echo your point of what you don't want to run into or what I don't like to run into is you have 20, 24 teams, and then you have six guys that never set their lineup because they're in over their head or they're too busy with, you know, for whatever reason.

And so kind of back to Froton's point, you know, the max number of teams where you're going to have really good engagement from everybody because that's going to make it more challenging, but also I think it's more fun that way. Right now, I think we dropped to 14 in our league, which is okay. I liked it when it was at 16. 16 felt like a pretty solid number. I feel like if you can get 16 guys that are all in on this thing, like you're going to have a pretty fun league with. 16 guys. I think it's great. Yeah.

Yeah, I like 16, 14. Anything below 14 and Dynasty is too little. Yeah. You start when you have 50 player rosters or 45 player rosters, it just, you just, yeah, teams are too stacked. But 14 to 16 for me has been a sweet spot that I just really, really enjoyed those leagues over the years. And you typically maintain those, even if you're only replacing one or two, it's not

that big of a deal. You start replacing like four to six in a year. And that was just, that was madness. All right, trade deadline. I think this is a very important question. But how do you guys, how would you guys handle trade deadlines? In my original league that we've been doing since 2001, this is something that is a very, you know, we went up and down on this. And I think we are ultra-conservative in our position for the masses. I think you get a bump it further. But we have after week three before week four. And the reason why is because, you know, this is a sprint.

This is a sprint. That's, what, 10 regular season weeks? Maybe 11 this year because it's 14. I think you could realistically say 11 this year. Three weeks. If you're O and three, here's your life preserver. go out people are going to want your stuff now because they're going to want whatever they can get you actually helps your marketplace because like if you're going to go and just do the full on fire sale well then blow it on up get whatever you can maybe some of the guys that you're getting you're giving up aren't going to be that good anyways get what you can and then move on whereas if you have just that never-ending trade deadline we've seen it before and we'll see it again where it's like okay it's

it's week 12 and uh i i just became eliminated from the playoffs here let's do a trade here take my team and it's like all right it's the battle of the super teams and that's not that's not what dynasty is about it's about having the best team and i got i got hurt in next league year one because i didn't play the game properly in that way i got in two years um where there's so many teams it's 20 teams and like i could have i could have loaded but i'm like uh you know i i I like my guys. They're my guys. I got here.

I'm close. It's the last week. And I'm finishing fifth out of 20 teams and four made the playoffs that time. And it's because I didn't, you know, pay the price. But it's it's somewhere in between, I think probably fairest is that midway point. Week five, after week five before week six is what kind of is my, my gut call and how I, I want to have. have a balance. So right in the middle. Yeah. So Froton, what do you do with that with, like say there's a team, week six, like trade deadline is done. They're still competing.

They get to week eight or week nine. And it's like by then they're pretty much eliminated. Are you, do you provide spots on the roster for them? I do not allow them to like just release. they're like really good upper classmen, right? They're, you know, they're senior. They're running out of eligibility, but they average 25 points a game as a running back. Like some guys will just cut them in that can affect the integrity of the league. So what do you do in those scenarios?

That is a great call. And it's not something that's been an issue in our league because we don't have a waiver wire. Look, we would draft my longtime league. Obviously, I've been in all the other ones. Like that one, it's just not relevant. But with other leagues, you know, I think you have to, right? Because I don't want to drop these guys either, you know, when it's like the season.

I don't want to just do that. But I think if you can at least give, you know, three or four senior exemptions, if that's possible, we're just like senior stash list. Like, please don't drop them, just put them in that list that they're going to go by-bye. and just you can go and use that roster spot now just four dead spots that don't go in the pool yeah yeah i think very fair yeah that's a must if you're going to have that early early trade deadline i think you have to have something like that institute how many i guess is the question what do you think we usually do five five we do five yeah we do five i are like minor spots yeah right

that you know five for freshmen and then we increase it to another five, four upper opposmen so they don't, they don't drop them because we just had that issue and it affects yeah, it's championships. And then you can just, even if it gets dropped and somebody picks it up, it's like, yeah, okay, hey brother, just a head, just a heads up, you know, you have, you have five spots. We're going to put this over here on your, on one of them just next time, just put them on the spots. and then it's cleaned up everybody gets it like anybody who's going to make a stink about that where it's like you know the guy forgets the protocol because it's going to happen you're not allowed to get mad about that you know that's just going to happen it's just going to we're going to remind

everyone it's just human nature it's fine you know we got to some sanity has to be injected in these leagues at some point you know and it's just like you just have to set clear expectations like you're saying right okay if these guys get dropped we're not going to to pick them up like there's an integrity piece to this and you just you just got to do that because yeah all right supplemental drafts how many rounds are you guys going and then are you doing yeah is it a fixed number you're doing 15 that's kind of traditional that I've seen or I've also seen people go until you fill up your entire team but what do you guys think yeah we we got 15 in ours and I like that I you know I I've never in our league had an issue filling up

up a team through the draft. Now there's obviously some guys maybe that I've carried over that I'll eventually want to end up dropping that I might hold until the start of the season to see who, you know, might pop that that's still out there on the waivers. But, you know, that 15 number feels like it's a pretty good number for the supplemental draft. You can fill some holes that way. And I guess it also probably depends on how big the roster is as well, right? If you have a little bit smaller rosters you might not want to go go that far but um 15 feels like a pretty good number i agree and if you want that that being said the league votes for unlimited i'm okay with until you fill up too i yeah if that's we i think both are good methods i don't like the short drafts i

you know i feel like you need a canvas to paint and right you want some freshmen you want you know I want to sprinkle in some guys that we like that might be an upperclassman that slip through that we want to take a shot on. You know, you want to have some time to do that and work. So I would say minimum 10, frankly. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. Okay, back to the trade deadline.

This is more of like strategy questions that we've gotten in. This one's our boy, Clint Carlson at Clint Carlson Go on Twitter. And he asked a question about selling off place. at the trade deadline. And so his question was, how should we? Yeah, how should throwing off players be handled at the trade deadline? For instance, top players being moved for way less than normal value. You can also give an example of like a Charlie Jones for a young player or like a second

round pick. So a guy that's going much less than what he's probably worth. Yeah, this is an interesting question. Here's what I'm going to tell you. If you are the team that's trading off players, get the max. value. Like don't trade a Charlie Jones for a set. You get first round picks. So I mentioned it last week where you should be rebuilding at the end of a season, not the start of a season. And that's how you do it, right? You find those playoff contenders that are going to want your good guys that are

those seniors that you're not going to have next year that are of no value to your team and go and get first round picks for those guys. So you can start building back up that team. So interesting question, And just because if you're the team that's trading off your players, get the max value. Yeah, totally. Right time? Yeah, I think you know how you combat this? Move back to trade deadline. The further back it goes, the less inclined people are going to be to sell, especially the smaller the league is.

Sure, if there's a 20-team league, you move it back to week four, five, then, yeah, There's going to be a whole bunch of teams that are going to be in that one in three, one and four, two and four, whatever it might be range. They're going to at least consider it. But if you let it go to week eight, nine, you know, and that's a whole bunch more teams that you're putting into that pool that have been eliminated. I want the pool that are the no doubt sellers, no doubt to be as small as we can, still making it fun. And so being able to like make, you want to be able to enhance your team too.

Right. So that's why, that's why I like that week five, like, okay, week five in, a lot of people still want to hang around, you know? Right.

Yep. You have to factor that in. The further back to trade deadline goes, the fewer just outright fire sales you're going to get. And it's all you can do is fight it with time. Yeah. And people are going to be more willing to invest a first round pick or a higher draft pick

when you have them for more of the season, right? When you have a guy for like five weeks during the regular season versus like getting two and just for the playoffs, like it is harder to squeeze value. But like I would always say as a, yeah, as a person who's buying a lot at the bedbine, you can like I will go to you personally and try to make sure you don't like put it out there

to everybody in the league so I can get the best value for me to spend a high draft pick. But if you throw it out there to the entire league that you're selling off players and you wait, you will get a higher draft pick by doing it that way. And so I would say, man, yeah, be a stickler at the deadline. You know, you want to have, you want to get the draft picks,

but like don't sell yourself short. There are people like myself that will pay a first round pick or a second round pick for a significant piece. I've had to do that in our league, Josh, where I've had somebody, you've probably offered me something and I went and shopped him somewhere else like hey I got offered a second for this I'll go them to you for a first right so yeah totally you can definitely do that yeah I'll say we Jared chiming in

our boy our boy something I'm going to mention is that one and three in CFF dynasty is not the same as being one in three in NFL all right there's there's two ways you can look at that in my opinion Jared makes the point of there's so many guys on the waiver wire typically available that can still turn things around. Very true. As we know, as the season goes on, everything changes, depth charts, up, down, all around. However, the counterpoint to that is, once you're one and three in college fantasy, you have a lot less time to make up that distance, and there's fewer playoff spots generally in CFF. So when you go one and three, it's like, if you have four playoff spots out there, that's really tight.

So, yes, you can build and you can go on a run. It makes sense if you don't want to completely sell. Yes, you can still pick guys up. And also, you're going into conference play after four weeks. Four weeks, Kanan Khan, now you're hitting conference play. It's a whole different ball game. It's a second season. So there definitely is hope, like Jared's saying.

But the other side is like there isn't much time. So you really do have to make a decision. Good point, though, with the two-way to look at that. Yeah, one-and-three is tough, man. I mean, I've been there a couple times, and it's just like, yeah, you got to, it's a razor-thin margin. Like, if you're 500 and a lot of the dynasty leagues we're playing in, you're not making the playoffs.

And if it's 10 weeks, this year we have an extra week, right? So 1-3 is not as bad this week because we have the two eyes. A great point. Exactly, because you get 10 weeks last year. That's 30% of the season right out of the gate, whereas you get 13 NFL. Now with the 14 week season, you probably get that 11. It matters. Every game matters, as we all know.

Yeah. It's fair. Bounces a bit. Yeah. So, okay, let me ask you guys another strategy question here from Shane. I want to catch some people in the chat here. So in the startup dynasty draft, what round before you take your first freshman? As a freshman.

A startup? Yeah. Jeremiah Smith. Exactly. Is it January Smith? DJ, you know, Lagway? Yeah. But go.

Oh, I have to think about it. I haven't been in a first year dynasty. I'm only in one dynasty. So it's been like five years since I've been in one. But like you said, right, it depends on the freshman. A guy like Jeremiah Smith, you're going to take probably early. The thing about the startup is there's just so much value. in that draft.

And there's so many, so many guys that you're going to get two to three years of value in that it's so hard to pass up on some of those guys like a, a Byron Brown, right? Where you just know, yeah, I'm going to get a couple of years out of him. And, I mean, we've talked about it for Roton, I think you brought up the numbers, all the busts, right, in these drafts. And it's just, it's a lot of these freshmen,

it's so hard to predict where they're going to be. But I, if I'm remembering correctly, it's usually about round three when you start to really see those guys go off. You'll see a couple through the first two rounds and then it feels like round three, they start to be a little bit more. And then really those mid-rounds feels like there's quite a few freshmen that start to go off. But I could be wrong. It's been a while since I've done.

Yeah, I mean, look, a couple years ago, Caleb Williams, right? We all kind of saw that he was going to be elite. I had him in the Dynasty League, Industry, and I took. him in the first round. And that was a double draft, even though it wasn't a, it was the double draft. So you had 20 and he had 21. So you're right. I mean, it's close.

But you have to. Yeah. Like Mike and Bainbridge are there covoce here. He did that a lot that year, right? Taking a lot of Caleb Williams and startups. And, yeah, when a guy is that good, like, you want to take a guy like cable Williams. or, you know, again, like, people are, when people are super high on DJ Lagway this year or Jeremiah Smith, yeah, those guys are going to go higher. The elite guys that are not a sure thing, nobody's a sure thing, but, you know, pretty much a sure thing.

And you're going to get two years out of them, three years potentially, then you're going to see those guys go really early. But the typical freshmen. Yeah, you can get deals down the board, I'll say, though. Like, after the tippity top freshmen get taken, you'll take. you'll typically see those guys you can wait for somebody to fall down

to trickle. You're going to get a decent guy like, you know, Coleman has a ton of buzzby. You might be able to get my boy TJ Moore. You know, you might be able to get Milan,

I've seen Milon Graham slip a few times. Love Xavier Jordan out of USC. Guys, let me tell you, I love Xavier. I hate that I didn't get Xavier Jordan. And, that Teddy took him one pick ahead of me in our industry dynasty draft.

Just, it really frosted me. Really got me upset. Teddy Ame, who was a great guy. I wasn't too happy with you out there, Teddy, if you're watching this. So Mylon Grandfals, you're going to find some players that are going to fall through the cracks to those six, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth rounds that are the underclassmen of the freshman, that you're going to like a little more than other people. And there's going to be value.

I definitely happened. I feel like a good example is Gavin Sautchuk, who really was being discounted over size, kind of right out of the gate, like, oh, he's small. And there's Martin Barnes. And it's like, but this kid's running like a 10-3, you know? And his dad ran a 10-4. He was a sprinter. And he was like, he's a speed-trained kid.

And if he could get out there, you know, that plays really. fell down the board in these drafts. So it's like you can find little edges and places, you know, if, and there's guys who fall out of those freshman classes. That's kind of how I like those startups. You want to get short things with two years. The sophomores are really the gold mines. You've got a year to see them. Okay, well, I know this guy I'm getting two years and I know he's good. Okay, great. Pause right there because I'm going to get into this in a minute in a deeper subject. Yeah, one thing with that,

that's a great strategy, Proton. If there's two running backs that are pretty equal, but people have gotten on one of them, take the other one. So George Pettaway and Amario and Hampton, everybody was on Pettaway, and you could take Hampton in like the eighth round, and we see what Hampton did.

So Sawcheck and Barnes, people were more on Barnes. Sawcheck was a value. Those are great strategies. I think this year with Jared Gibson. Jared Gibson. Yeah, the running back from Texas and Christian Clark. Christian Clark is a lot, you can get a lot of value for that. Hey, we're going to hit a break here.

Yeah, sorry, go. Now, go ahead, Proton. I'm surprised how far Jared Gibson fell in our industry draft. I took him, and it was way down the board. I think it was kind of that factor where he has another well-thought-of recruit behind him. And that can ding the guy who's up top, too. You know, it works both ways. I think it really did against Gibson in our industry draft.

We'll take a break real quick and then we'll come right back. Finish this up. Yeah, you know, Frotan, like, it's interesting too. Like, I think Debbie and C2C can have an effect on college dynasty drops because they happen, I think they happen sooner than a lot of our college dynasty supplementals. And so I think some of this is just like that I feel like the Debbie community is lower on Jared Gibson than like most. And so I see that effect kind of come through. I think he is going lower than I will say that I feel like the Debbie and the CTC community.

And again, I could be wrong, but is lower on him than Texas is because the reports out of Texas are very glowing about Jared Gibson. Like, they think he's going to be great. And they could be wrong, right? Like, I think Debbie and CTC guys are really, really smart. But, you know, Texas sees him every day. They seem in practice. And so, you know, sometimes I do, I'll take Texas's opinion over mine. And for perspective, in a 14-team Dynasty League,

I got him with the 10th selection in the fifth round, Jared Gibson. So the guy who's 247's number two running back, you know, going to Texas, you would think a good premium room goes all the way down to 510. It's just with a rookie supplemental 14 team. So speaks to what you're saying about the backup and how at least he is regarded and how that sort of a belief can really, it can affect the players. stock this isn't NFL this isn't like oh well he's he's I got this guy around below ADP like yeah I mean what I mean this would be what late six almost seventh round if we account for the other extra two teams so you know things to consider with that it kind of works both ways yeah yeah for sure hey and this is a question as we've been talking here

that I've really thought of and I think would be helpful for our listeners what is your strategy and a startup. We just talked about when do you pick freshmen, but in general, when you go in, are you trying to win first year? And then how are you doing that? I'll stop there. Let you have to answer that. I'll go and then let you guys go. I try to pick the best sophomores. Again, you want longevity the best you can. And I've already seen these guys play for one season. I find those are the guys who go the quickest. I'll then, after securing a few sophomores that I feel are good that are building blocks either pivot to a premium freshman or most likely i'm going to start going to start going for a best player available for a few rounds just to be like there's going

to be this guy that's going to be sitting here and i know i can swing for the fences with this guy i want to take a few of those in the middle rounds because why not right that what are we here to do I'm not just here to build the whole time. Half those guys are going to get dropped that are too, too young, you know? You want young starters, but at the same time, you know, and the G5 guys, even if they're a junior, you figure I'm going to get two years out of them anyways, and that's what you're going to get out of a P5 sophomore, you know? So if you're baking in the two-year factor there, and you got guys like Tori Horton last year who's back and Ricky White's back and, you know, That's pretty appealing. So all that stuff comes into play.

Yeah, that's good. I mean, I think you draft with a win-now mentality for sure. I mean, like Roton said, there's enough guys in the startup where you can really build a solid foundation for your team with some of those sophomores or maybe some power five guys that might be a little bit older, but you're still going to get two years out of them. I really like to break up my team. those elite guys that are going to be, I'm going to get two years, maybe three years out of them.

And then just like Froton said, I want to start taking those guys that maybe I only get a year, but I can still build around those guys. And I think the key thing too now is with the transfer portal, I don't know if it's as important to hit on a bunch of freshmen in that first year draft just because of the portal. And that second year supplemental draft, you're going to find some really good values there as well. You obviously want to try and mix in some freshmen and get some youth on that team. So two to three years down the road, right? You have some guys that you value or you think you're going to have some really good value.

So I like to lay out my guys is kind of here's the guys that I'm going to get value for a couple years, future guys that I might have to wait a year or two and then kind of build my board based on that. But I think the transfer portal really changes how we can approach it just because there's going to be guys that aren't picked up or that are dropped, like Froton said. There's going to be guys dropped that you're going to be able to pick up that next year where you can get that two to three years after they move on to, you know, a new school. Yeah. Yeah, I, you know, I think I'm the type that's like I'm going to try to compete every year to win. And so the first year in a dynasty, like, I want to win. So I'm almost verbatim do what Proton talked about. Like, I'm,

just going to take a couple sophomores early on that I know. But as soon as I got a question with a sophomore, I'm going to best available player. And so I fill out my starting lineup. And then I'll just start to hit on a lot of freshmen after that. So I kind of like have that gap of like or whatever, I've played that's going to contribute in year two, but not year one. And then just try to build through the waiver wire, you know, after that. And so that's worth really well. you know, I think a lot of times people go way too young, way too early.

And they'll try to go for the future. And it works for some. But, you know, there's a lot. You just never know what's going to happen year to year, right? Like, players get injured. So much can happen. Like, I would just say, when now? And then, you know, grab some freshman or replacement players.

Like, Mike Bainbridge is not a guy that is on freshman a lot at all. Like, he doesn't know. know the freshman full of 10. These are his words, not mine. But how does he win? Like, he knows top freshmen. And then he's so good at knowing the next man up, right? And so he's always constantly getting the next man up.

And he kills it in dynasty. And him and I have totally opposite strategies. I was so, yeah, that's a good. Like, I have on mine, like, when I go through Next Man Up, and those are guys that you can really usually get at pretty good values in drafts. because even if guys are doing, you know, like I want the, I'll take the one year guys in those, you know, late eight, nine, ten rounds. And then they start really hitting freshmen.

When guys are going after freshmen, you can get those next men up. And the nice thing about those guys is you can just go for systems, right? Who's the next guy up in the system? And if they don't pan out, I know there's been some questions around like, how do you deal with the transfer portal and guys that get almost recruited over? Well, with the way things are, with that next man up usually goes somewhere else where he's going to be the man, right? So a lot of times the hit rate on the next man up is a little bit better than you're going to see on freshmen.

So in those mid-teen rounds in a startup, you can really get some good value at that spot with the next man up. Phenomenal point. And to that, I've been conditioned in my long time league where, again, you've heard it before, you'll hear it again, keeping your house in order. I've got Treveon Henderson trust me James Peoples is on my radar okay I'm gonna know what is going on with him

I'm gonna have a homing beacon on him where are guys like him starting to go you know if this is a start you know what am I working with you want to always have I want to have as much

certainty in a room as possible and like I'll kind of go over perceived ADP if I feel like it's a good situation and a talented enough back by, you know, guy who was in for spring, seems like he's established himself well in that room. I already have the starter. He's the next day of here.

If it's a linear progression and I already have that starter, well, I'm going to go and take that guy earlier. And let me tell you, I won't get into too much detail about this, but friendships have been altered over taking people's backups in my ultimate. say myself personally might have been involved in one or two of those but like I'm talking it's a yearly event where a fist fight almost breaks up with those like if not a fist fight but like a serious screaming match between loud Bostonians like myself when you go and take a shot oh I'm dead serious because we do it live because you have to look that person in the eye when you're going to take their backup okay You've got to look him in the eye. And then you know, and every time, 10 times out of 10, if you don't throw a shot at that guy and take one of his backups, then you're leaving yourself open. Then everybody sees you as weak.

This is dead serious. This is like NCW psychology 101. Like if your backup is going, you go right at that other guy. Okay. Okay. Who's your starting ring back? Who's your cubies back? Let's go.

Let's go. I'm taking that guy. And you go over 80p. It doesn't matter what round it is, and you're taking that guy. It's that. Home league logic right there. Yeah. It is.

It's the long game. You can't be seen his week. Yeah. This is crazy Boston people. That's amazing. Okay. I'm going to rapid fire for these last. We got a ton of player personnel questions here.

There's one more strategy question that I want to get to. Also, Karp, you had a great one on CTC. We will not have time to cover CTC strategies, but I would love to talk about it. at some point, and I'm sure Frotan went too. I'm not exaggerating about screaming matches. I'm dead serious about this, and all the guys in my league will look dead serious.

We've been doing this for so long. It's literally almost life or death at this point. Yeah, that's amazing. I know Bainbridge is in that league too. Bainbridge is in that league. Oh, God, they love they love to throw Barb's at Bainbridge. He hasn't even made the playoffs yet. He's been in it for three, four years. Yeah, we're all good.

Everybody's good. We're pros. He was, he was complimenting your league. He was talking about how good it is. So that's awesome. It's a weird format too to get used to. But yeah, roll on.

Okay. Mark Coleman, UMass grad, 92 on Twitter. You mask. Yeah, what's your strategy for the talent on your bench that is supplanted by transfers, right? This is a bigger and bigger problem than dynasty. Right. You have a guy that you think is an ex-man up. And then Colin Lacey or whoever, right?

Jacori Brooks comes in and potentially takes that spot. Are you keeping them, are you cutting and running with your talent on the bench? That's a planted by transfers. Was that a Chris Bell scenario you just laid up, Josh? Is that what that was? Yes. Go, Zach. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's going to kind of depend.

I might hold for a little while, but he definitely would go in my potential upgrade bucket, right, where I'm trying to maybe upgrade that spot. you don't want just a wait to spot. If you don't see value in, especially if he's an older guy, right? Like junior, senior, and they bring somebody else in that's younger, it's almost like, all right, if this guy hasn't transferred yet, I don't know if I want to hold on to him. I'm just not going to see a lot of value.

Typically, I think if that happens in the spring, you'll see those guys transfer out late spring in that late spring window. Yeah. I don't, if guys are getting passed up on the debt chart, I don't tend to want to hold on to them for too long, unless I feel like they might land at a better spot. You're thinking like a Power 5 guy down to a G5 team, maybe you hold out for that. But I don't want those guys taking up too much space on my roster for too long.

I guess it has to do with how powerful is that offense that he's in too? How big is that pie that is being sliced? If it's a one-man show kind of deal, like the Brom scenario we're talking about here, where it's typically brahm picks a guy and it's this guy and he's he's going to be the fantasy relevant one then it's that person's going to be on the bottom portion of the Ross that bottom three guys four guys that will be the churn on the bottom where you're chasing or you know you're looking at things develop and you're trying to kind of hit gold on somebody who might have a little camp buzz and take an opening uh you know

So at the very least, even if those guys survive, like saying in this scenario, past that supplemental draft, they just, you hear that. Somebody comes in, it's going to affect how you're viewing things. And if it's in a low-volume offense, then it's bad news. Yeah, that's great. Okay, we're going to rapid fire these player personnel questions. We've got about five to ten minutes left in the show. So I'm going to give them to you guys and then just give me some, you know,

maybe a couple sentences on these players. But Kevin Coleman at the Boys 22, he asked this question, which player is Fools Gold and which player is a diamond in the rough? Talking Dynasty, one guy, and this hurts me to say, Dylan Riola, he is a super talented guy. It's just the system. I just don't know if he's going to get the value that you want in the system. Don't get me wrong, though.

I love Dylan Royola, and I love that he is on the Cornhuskers. But that's just one guy that I just feel like there's not a ton of rushing upside there, and I just don't know if they're going to throw the ball enough for him to have a ton of value in a CFF league. I guess if you're talking like a C2C, it might be a little bit different, right? He's probably a little bit better prospect there. I hope I'm wrong, though. I hope next year I'm on here. I'm like, oh, I was wrong.

He should have been the number one pick in every dynasty draft last year because he just, you know, killed it. But that's one guy for me. And it's more personal for it. Like, I want to take him super early in any draft. And I'm just like, I just don't know if I can do it. Yeah. You know, what's interesting about Rio Laetif is a four-star quarterback who I got to watch at the Elite 11 this past week. And I particularly got to watch his sevens session, which was excellent.

He looked awesome in his sevens performance. And not everybody did, put it that way. I think he had at least four touchdown drives. And he had four touchdown drives, and he had one that he hit the kid. He drafted right in the bucket in the back corner on a flag. And there's nothing he could do about that. He put it right exactly on a dime, you know, a beautiful throw. So he basically had five touchdowns in my eyes.

And I actually talked to him after the game and after the session and kind of picked his brain. He's like, all right, so you're at Nebraska. You know, how are you feeling about this? And what have you? He's like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm in. I'm committed. I'm like, well, are you open to after a performance you had today, you know, possibly listening to the Rock? He's like, oh, yeah, well, you know, we still get a long ways to go and we'll see how things are.

you know after this if i get a little buzz sure i'll listen any any offer sort of a thing but you know he was a very nice respectful kid he definitely had a very positive demeanor about him i heard positive things um but i got to wonder you know like you look at that where a kid get some buzz coming off a camp like that is there's dillon raola ahead of him um it's you got to wonder okay well is somebody going to make sense to this kid i mean i you can make a lot of of sense. Be like, hey, there's no Dylan Raola for two years ahead of you here,

you know, school X, whatever that might be. I didn't get into it. I didn't want him. But it makes you think on that front. But if he stays, I mean, then Rola's got him coming in behind him. Like, delightful. Oh, great. That's not what I want to see. I don't want him T.J.

Latif behind me if I'm Dylan Rola. And then on the other side, I mentioned him a little bit before. I was at the USC Spring game. I watched every rep. Xavier Jordan stood out. He's just out there doing his thing.

He's working with the second team. He's not working a lot with Mayava or Moss. He looked great. He dominated the entire session time he was in there. He was the one getting all the targets. So yeah, he's a true freshman. And of course, we got Branch and Lemon and Deuce and Polk. But the next generation of USC receiver, it's Xavier Jordan, he's going to play.

He's going to play. So I can't help but like him down the board. And like I said, he went 5'9 in our industry 14 team draft. Again, I mentioned Teddy A. Damn you, Teddy. And I really like him. Fools Gold. You know who I'm concerned about?

bump. He's got another QB after getting out of here. I'm concerned about CJ Car. Because Deuce Knight looked real good at the early 11. He is a big boy. There was some big QB. There's 10 QVs over 6-2. Duce is a big boy. I watched a pretty good amount of tape on him. He had some difficulty, like some ups and downs. I watched him against Sarerlin. That was a wild game. He had some tough plays, but then he made some big throws. too and you watched just some of the the comfort I saw against him against AIMG and Seraland. He looked like a different QB in terms of how settled he was there. Even against, these are some tough drills, you do it.

20 pro day throws, tough to recreate, the seven's environment, his arm, like the way the ball's popping out of his hand. His arm strength is palpable. I mean, it's there. It's real. He's got a big. arm. You know, while I like car as well, and I, you know, he was efficient. He looked pretty well, good mechanically. I just look at the package that Deuce brings and what you can do with him

and how big he is and what you can do in an RPO type scheme if you want to pull the, the ball down and get him out there in the open field. He's got to be tough to tackle. He's a big boy, you know, and a real good athlete with a big arm. Like it's a, it's a tantalizing. combo that if you can if he continues to grow and harness that and you know refine his delivery should be dangerous so sorry to get really excited about deuce night but he's somebody josh and i meant to talk about before yeah the um the show so yeah i figure i do a little two for one here i love it yeah yeah i think for me i and i'll end the show on answer this question if you asked any questions though um i can i'll hit you up in your in the dms on twitter

And I got some answers here and I can send them to you because I don't want anybody get cheated out of their questions. Or maybe we can answer it next week. We'll have to see. But quick, you know, my fulls gold, a non-freshman, I would say, man, I'm just not sure about Mackay Hughes. I mean, he's a guy that I just don't know if he's going to get the catches out of the backfield in order to really produce to the level that I think needs to produce there

at Tulane. I think Proton or Zach, you guys Got any thoughts on that? I saw some heads either nodding or wanting to say something. He's an interesting guy. He's a guy that's kind of jumped around my rankings. Gone high, gone low. I'm not exactly sure what I want to think about him yet.

Yeah. One of those guys for me, and I mean, we know it. We've talked about it. Give me Nick Anderson over Dionne Burks. I need to see Deon Burks do it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know. He had a great, you know, he's fast, and he cut a couple nice, big passes downfield. He's got Jackson Allen to work for him. But he's going on the SEC. Like, we're working against a second team defense. Okay. He's been working against an SEC defense just about every time out there. And I saw Nick Anderson do it. I believe in Nick Anderson. I know that he can work the outside. And he's got Jackson Arnold to work with. I just think there's so many factors with Dionne Burricks that, again, irrespective of the fact that he led the nation and drop percentage last year, we could go with that too. We could talk about that too.

How many times is he going to drop one of those balls before Jackson Arnold gives him the old Jackson dart to Quinnshod Junkins' treatment and goes over to it and says, take him off. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And he just had a DUI, our boy. I just had a DUI. It's like all it takes is this one half suspension for Nick Anderson that three touchdowns on how you are in the first half and be the guy.

So anything to push down Deon Burke's value on, I'm clear. All over Nick Anderson, the value is going at. Like he was going down in like round nine for a while too. I think we just went seventh in the last. We just were on. I'm probably on the clock. Yeah. But yeah, we have a draft going on.

Yeah. Oh, purple. Pulverrain just called a size. It's so us rapid fire up. That was true, man. It's never rapid fire with us, my friend. Unless it's a supplemental mock draft last week. That was incredible.

We did our best work then. I'll never get better than that. Real two real quick, dime in the roughs for me. A freshman, Jaden Baugh at Florida running back, six foot 237. I love his feet at his size. And a big man, that has good feet, has good vision. Like, man, I will fall for that every day all day. Love Jaden Baugh.

I think he should be going higher in drafts. and then a non-freshman, Diamond in the Ruff dynasty, and this isn't as much a Diamond in the Ruff anymore, but Tretch Kekahuna, we've talked about a few times. I would continue to talk about that dude. I think he's awesome. It could be really awesome that Wisconsin system. If Will Pauline got hurt, he'd be relevant this year, if not,

then he'll be the salon system for the next two years, I think. Dude, we got another Tretch, naughty by nature reference here on this show. Are you kidding? We got another every week until... Another naughty by nature. Again, remember with Nottie by Nature, it's not OPP, it's the song. It's Uptown Anthem that's their best song. Come on now.

You can smoke a spliff on a cliff, but you still can't get high enough. That's how that song opens. I mean, profound. And with that, I think that comes into our show. We just can't top that at this point. Hey, thank you guys so much for joining us tonight. We have a couple different ideas for next week's show that I think could be really fun. Bainbridge will be back with us. It'll be the four of us again. We're really excited

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