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Episode Date: November 3, 2024

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Off of a shocking and disappointing loss, I did manage to find Andy Buckler before he launched himself into a lake off of a bridge. This is the Dynasty Points Market Report. This is our third week doing the market report. The feedback has been phenomenal. You guys have been locked in making this once again the most downloaded podcast on the network.

We have a lot to get to a little bit different format. I have heard the feedback. So the format has changed a little bit, should be a little bit cleaner for listening. Let's dive right in. I, of course, am hosting this. I am Thomas Tipple. You can find me at El Nostra Thomas. As mentioned, Andy Buckler is joining me. That's Andy underscore Buckler. He is here. I was not sure if I would do this solo or not, but we are locked in in the face of adversity. Of course, we start this podcast out talking about some things that annoy it have annoyed us on the dynasty Twitter or dynasty Reddit, Dynasty internet landscape, some things that we just don't agree with. and I will be honest with you.

I fully intend to take up the entire time slot with this one, Andy, so be ready. The Anthony Richardson scenario in the dynasty space has really proven to me that the base first format is the format to use, and I will tell you why. I saw on the timeline from six, seven days ago, our own Jacob Sanderson co-host on Dynasty Points had mentioned that he would be trading and accepting mid to late, sending mid to late first projected for Anthony Richardson across all leagues. Now, this is not new. This is something that we do all the time. A player's value dips a little bit and maybe you want to buy back in.

However, he's benched. And as I had posted on Twitter, and Jacob and I had talked about this recently, you know, I said people who are taking a second or a late second or a mid-second have missed the plot. And to me, they have missed the plot, where he then replied with a just take the second. Now, this is where, and this is, this is no slight to Jacob. This is just this is how we end up telling people or it gets told that, You just can't tell people to just send first for everybody because eventually we run out of firsts. You fire that bullet and you no longer have it. This is something that I talk about nearly religiously where we have to be willing to accept that something bad could happen.

And maybe it wasn't even a benching, right? Let's say he didn't get benched. Maybe AR blew his knee out again or got hurt. It was lost for the year. Another shoulder problem. That plummets his dynasty value anyway, back to back, season any injuries? Is he going to play again? What do they do?

Almost a same-ish scenario with a different storyline, right, Andy? Like, this is, it's possible. So when I see constantly, just, I'm going to go trade your fur. You don't have that bullet anymore. And yes, now you're taking it at a loss. You don't have to take that loss now. We had the same kind of discourse with Trey Lance a few years ago. Granted, the situation is different.

Trey Lance is a sixth round startup pick when we knew Brock Purdy was starting. And we've seen, we had seen that Trey Lance is not good. And he was still a sixth round pick. Yes, he ran into bad luck. There also just happened to be a franchise quarterback

they took with the last pick of the draft on the team. That was third string after Garapolo got hurt and came in and played. Sure. But we saw those Justin Fields. He was a first round pick when we knew he was not a good, he was great fantasy,

quarterback, but if you had, you know, questions about his ability to play quarterback, then, yeah, we've seen this already. And look now, Justin Fields is back to being a backup after people were buying for, we saw him drafted in the fifth round of the startup we did, Buck. Yeah.

And it's, that started in like week five. He was drafted in the fifth round. And all Steelers had did would say, yeah, we're going to give Russ a shot. The league has told us they thought it he was a backup, still being drafted that high. So all we need is a sliver of hope. And now Anthony Richardson is worth more.

more than that second. You do not have to take that second now if you have gone and bought. If you have him now, you do not need to take that second now. We talked in this podcast, what was it? Two weeks? Two weeks? First episode where I said that I was debating trading Richardson for Goff straight up. And I did end up doing that deal.

And I was very happy that I did that deal when I did. It was on that Sunday, I had a feeling by half. I made my tweet about it that got, you know, bookmarked. and all of a sudden that bookmarked, by the way. It has been de-bookmarked now that he's been bench. So shout out to that person for not standing on business. But that value has already changed. And I'm more than willing to bet that in 90% of your league,

someone is going to pay you a second at the end of the year if you still want to get out. Because what if this is one game, what if this is two games, three games, four games, you're going to be able to get that second at any point, in my opinion. So when I see stuff, it really makes me mad when we're touting to send X without the possible thought that the worst case scenario could happen, benching, injury, etc., which is why that base first valuation, like I talked about at the top of this rant, covers you for that because it makes you think, what if this changes? Now you trade that pick for this quarterback that's going to push your team to be late. all of a sudden you lost that quarterback and you're still where maybe that's a bit earlier now than are you still okay with that are you okay with this not working as you're sending this pick for 2026 if it's a 2025 first or it's 20 if it's 2025 or 26 are you okay with that 2026 being

negatively impacted by the trade that you're making yes base first already puts that into consideration the league changes too quick to be able to predict where you're at and this drives me nuts This pisses me off. If you want to hear us talk about it, the Dynasty Points podcast was released this past Wednesday. We're recording this on Halloween, so happy Halloween, everybody. But this was released the Wednesday of this week.

It's up on the feed as well if you miss that. We definitely go in depth on it. But this was a spot I knew I could really dive into this conversation. It makes me crazy. And like I said, you only get to fire that bullet one time. So it's the golden gun from Golden Eye. that's what your first trumpet you won bullet that's it so what's your what's your take on this buck i agree um so my thing was kind of the same it had to do it anthra richmond as well i think with the richison

thing with the second i think it's really dumb because that's what we see backup quarterbacks go for i see i saw joe flacco today go for a second he's a zero and dynasty there's no value he'll start the rest of the season he's 40 years old he's only worth the second because he got some spot starts So, Richardson's going to play again, whether it's injury or a spot somewhere else. There's just no reason, like you said, to sell for the two right now. It's dumb, especially if you're evaluating about it at first a week ago when we knew all this shit could go up in the air. It just kind of happened a little faster. I talked about it two weeks ago, how I wanted to get out two weeks ago before kind of the general public started doing the whole, like, echo chamber thing about how Richardson's actually playing poorly.

It just happened way quicker than, way quicker than I thought. because I did say you were overreacting two weeks ago. I know, and it turned out I was underreacting, and now I'm still stuck holding the bag because I couldn't. He was even two weeks ago, he was so hard to sell. I mean, I was trying to do it. But I'm buying at the, I'm definitely buying a second. I sent a second, by the way, in every league pretty much, and I didn't get a single

except or a single counter. It got smashed to find everyone and every single one. So it's just not a real trade. And like seconds, it's just, it's just stupid because we can buy, we buy, we buy, James Winston is worth a second right now. He has no, like, actual dynasty value. So just hold or buy. That's my thought.

My thing that pissed me off was also Anthony Richardson related. So we could see that it's fake. You know, if you see something like this pop up and you're like, how real, like, Chad, is this real? You can see that. We have sources. We use Dynasty Daddy. We use other crowdsourcing information. He was QB 19 when I looked on Keep Trade Cut.

If you want to pull that up while I, well I, well, I, finish this. I don't know where he's at now. He might be QB 25 and yeah, I'll buy it that price. Sure. Like I would any backup quarterback that I stashed to my roster. We had a trade go down in Fantasy Points, listener league five, same league where Justin Fields was taken in the fifth round. This is that draft in season. And it was Anthony Richardson for two in a 25 second. If you're still just selling for a 25 second, I think you're out of your mind. And you have missed the plot. To me, you've missed the plot. That's miss, managing your roster and those moves those panic cell moves can fry you yeah stupid he's quarterback 23 right

now a cute trade cut as a right now surprising so he has gone down still and that trade we saw i'm not gonna lie i was really shocked to see the second on the other side so it was to uh and the second for richardson like yeah i was shocked and it was after all the news like this was well into the benching day like it was well we we were live when this went down and i processed it through like it we were live yelling about it. It was very, very interesting to see the deal get done. So I'm just saying when you see something like that or you hear something like that in the echo chamber, do some digging and do some research and think back to what we're saying if you're listening and really walk through what that value of a second is. Now, Buck never has any anyway. So I assume you'd never get

those deal done in the league that you actually do have them. But yeah, if that's a real possibility, go start knocking on some doors. Try trading for James Winston for a second right now. Like that's probably getting rejected. Like this is a fake panic value to me when it's all said and done. I agree. All right. Now that I've sufficiently ranted, I've gotten that off of my chest.

We're going to take our first break of the day. And when we come back, we will get in to a little bit. It'll be a section that's a little bit. More fun. We are going to look at the most recent trades via Dynasty Daddy for two quarterback, start 10, half point premiums for PPR League. So sit tight. We'll be right back after this.

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do not have the team breakdowns. My goal for this portion is to, we're going to talk about some trades and we're going to say yes or no, basically to these. And the point of this is to give everyone listening an idea of what some players that they are either debating trading away or trading for or going for. Real simple, real helpful. And we're going to give a little bit of insight on all of this.

So if you are in the market, which is why I'm hoping you're listening to Market Report, this should help you. Let's talk about, well, you just mentioned his name, Joe Flacco, going for a 26 third. Yeah, I think this should be his value. I just saw him go for a 262. So I'm willing to pay the third. I don't want to pay anything more than that, and I barely want to pay that. I don't want to pay a second. I think, I think that's just really dumb to pay a second for that, especially he's not good.

It's not good. And I think we've kind of lost that in everything. He's not much different than like a Derek Carr who you can probably buy for a second. At least he's going to play next year. So if I want to pay a third, that's fine. Anything more than that, I think he lost it. And again, like, keep in mind, I have Derek Carr on teams and you're not prying them off my roster for a second. I probably need that guy.

The people that have these quarterbacks probably need them, unless you're, you are someone like me who seems to have, like, I don't know, you have all the garbage quarterbacks. Right. I draft them because they're so free. and maybe I can sell them for seconds later if I end up not needing them. We'll get into a lot of that in the draft season portion

to set yourself up for this. But I agree. This is about where his value should be. We have a 261 for Tyree Kill and Keaton Mitchell. I love this deal. I would prefer if this is my 25 first, not the 26th. But I love this deal.

I think this is fine. I like it. I kind of want to go on a rant about the 25 and 26 first thing, though. I'm really sick about that. I'm really sick about that. So I did a trade. recently and it was about that. It was like, oh, I want the 26 to the 25. I care about the class more here. I don't go to fuck about that. A first is a first. And we do this shit with the class

every year where we're so sure in a class and then it switches. And then it's either it switches to good or switches to bad. If you're so hung up on what year it is, like I'm so over that. And so over that with a second two. If you want a 25 second for a player and I have a 27 second and you won't take it because it's too far. It is the same thing. If anything, it has a chance be better if I'm trying to buy your dusty running back for a 25-2. It means I want to win right now. My team's good. You should be willing. You should want my 27 second more than my 25 second because my team's going to be worse than two years. That whole first thing with the whole, the class thing, we do it every year. It's like a dynasty, a Debbie favorite thing. And it's dumb every single year.

I remember when we were supposed to sell everything for 2021 first, everything for 2023s, everything for 2020s. Man, a first is a first. I get it. If you want to prefer, like sometimes I'll prefer the 26 because there's just a chance that the pick is higher up nothing to do with the class but if you're trying to sit here and be like oh the 2026 why do receivers are bad bro malik neighbors wasn't in the fucking 25 class 24 class until he was yeah it's like I'm sick of that it's it's one of the I think the most like miscalculations you can do in dynasty and it's really it's really dumb it's not like I said I get it if you want to ask for the 26 of the guys first like I did it we did a trade And I prefer to 26 because, I mean, your team was the best team in the league.

It was the top team. So I'd rather just have the security of the 26 because I know your 25 is pretty much guaranteed late. Your 26 is probably going to be late too, but at least it's definitely not going to be late. A lot could change. If that's your reasoning, that's fine. But if we're doing the whole class thing, man, it's stupid because we can wake up in two months in this class and this could be different. We already have that quarterback from LSU who has not talked about at all. Now he's projected to be in the first round.

Just a season. It happens every year. So I'm sick of that. I'm sick of hearing stuff about that. I'm sick of people doing that. Like, it sounds smart. And, man, I'm so over that. I'm so sick of the sending a fourth and you're trying to send me back a different fourth because you want this fort.

Man, come on. A second is a second. It is what it is. We got to stop doing this shit with the picks and with the classes and trying to project picks five years out of where they're going to be. We don't know. I hate that. I'm sorry. So I agree with most of it.

I do look at it in situations where I look at what the strength of a class is now. And if the strength of that class is all running backs, I have not wanted the 25 class for a while now because I haven't fallen in love with the players. I'm not a devi guy. I'll never begin to tell you that I understand college football and who's ranked at what. But I do look at like Genty is the 101. That's great. the 102 already has nothing but question marks.

It's either Travis Hunter, Shadur Sanders, and question marks across the board. So for me, this is what I sat in this situation for a while. For me, when I say I would prefer that first to be a 26 and not a 25, it's for that reason. There's more mystique to it. Chances are if you're trading for someone's 25 first right now, you know roughly enough where they're at.

Because the team's letting them go more. often than not are teams one through four. And the chance of those teams being one through four, not being there by the end of the year if they're adding players at this stage of the year, slim. So yeah, of course I, like you said, of course

I want their 26 instead. As for the seconds, I can take it or leave it. If somebody has a 25-2 and I'm trying to get this deal done and they don't want to give up their 25, I'm happy taking the 27. I'm more than happy taking the 27, because

like you said, a second is still a second. But I think what would solve a lot of your issue with this is if somebody would just look at your roster first to see if you have the thing that you're asking for. Because if you're blind saying, like, I'll take a second from this and then, you know, Buck goes, sure, here, here's this 27. I don't mind to take it. I need the player. He's like, oh, I don't want that second. Then that's when you end up in this scenario. But that comes to the whole thing where we talk about all the time.

Look at the person's roster you're trying to trade with because that's how you get the deal done in the first place. If you're not willing to accept the 27 second second, don't just say, I'll take a second form. Be specific in your trade offers and you'll get more deals done. Because without the miscommunication, I bet the trade gets done a lot easier and a lot faster. As for the fourth than the third and you want the 26 third because the roster is now you've missed the plot again. You've jumped the shark. And I'd be pissed at that too. Like at that point, you're not getting the plot.

I'll just do that deal with somebody else. Yeah, it's just, it's just, man, it's, it's been getting so annoying. It's been bothering me so much. And also with the, with the class thing, again, I'll go back to it. We do not know as much as we think we know. We sat here and we tanked, sold every single player in our roster for Marvin Harrison, Jr. Just for the 11 BTJ to be worth more eight weeks in. So whether we think the player, like, again, BTJ was a, he was a second round pick in some leagues.

I got him at the 203 in some leagues. He was a second rounder. So we don't know. That could be Luther Burden in a year. He could be the 201 and he could be worth the 105. It doesn't matter. Like we. Same Luther Burden that was projected to be a top three pick.

Exactly. And now he's whatever like five weeks ago. Now he's not even the wide receiver won on his own college team. Like it goes back and forth so much to good to bad. We do this every year. And the odds are the hit rates almost every year. They're similar every single year. Whether there's going to be a couple of studs and there's going to be some duds.

And we don't know. I mean, the NFL teams don't know. They can't get it right. Look at the 23 class. Right. Richardson, benched. Stroud, who's even I said had the lowest upside of the bunch at the time. Guess what?

They can't get it right. BTJ was the what, the fifth wide receiver off the board. Yeah. Like the NFL teams can't even get it right. So why do we expect to get it right? We're not going to. Exactly. So just like stop that.

Stop thinking you know more than NFL teams. You know more than everything. Just take the pick. like even this class in 2024 when we get to combine should be way different when whoever runs a 4-3 and now like it's just it just is what it is we do this every year and it's frustrated at me and we do the we'll do this again in february we'll do the or not even February during draft season where we do the whole sell your 24s for 25s if you're out the 110 plus sell that for a no it's like just stop or just make the damn pick or trade the damn pick and stop doing that we got to get over that i'm sorry i'm still

frustrated over garret coalf i run around So I'm a little fired up today. No, it's good. It's important. I think that, like I said, I think there's two ways to look at it. I understand if somebody wants to do that. But chances are, and I say this a lot, I'm so comfortable with letting my own pick go to get another managers.

Because at the end of the day, I'm more confident in me as a manager versus my opponent. So if they want to send me their picks at a different price for a different year that's further back, give it. I'll take it all day, all day, and then I'll go trade mine if I need to. But you're right. I mean, overplaying your hand is also a good way to sink.

There are people digging in their heels about Anthony Richardson should have been, was, and is the only call for the 101 in that Superflex draft year. Being able to say that when C.J. Stroud is doing what he's doing is insane to me. So not being able to adjust any priors or your values is also another way. to sink your ship and applying a draft slot, a player name, or thinking you know what's going to happen next is the same thing to me,

because that's how you attach your priors, right? And on this program, we shift our priors, we learn, we play the market, we take our losses, and we learn how to move on. And like I said, in the opening rant of this, we now get a second rant here, just smash accepting a second in those situations is how you overreact

and not think thoroughly through it. So there we go, Buck. We tied the two in. Let's get to the only the third trade we've been able to get to you now. And hopefully people are still tuning in. We get Jacoby Myers or a 25 third. This is your former wide receiver one for this year.

This is easy. This is Jacoby Myers. If you can buy him at this, I think this is actually a smash. He's like a, he's like a borderline. line tweener second player like a second round pick player i like that he's actually been really good for the underline metrics over the last four weeks too i like that a lot powers is breaking out early in the year and since mcimanmires has been back healthy he's he's kind of limiting bowers now in his

upside so he is a player he's a real player and talk about guys that should get traded i mean if a team is looking for a wide receiver i know there's a team in new england that could use this guy jacobi meyers but i mean the bucks the bucks insane oh absolutely any slot player for the box right now would be good. We did briefly talk about him. His name is Tua. He went for James Connor Justin Fields in a second.

This is easily Tua for me. James Connor Fields in a two. Yeah, it's definitely Tua. Those are like those are just players. Like those are one year rental players. Well, whatever happens with feels. I don't know. But you're not going to get much out of James Conner

after this year. And it's like a short side of trade. I like it. Right. I like that's one of the ones we love. Cooper Cup for me is a potential league winner. A lot of people are in on the Puka thing. Puga was obviously an unreal baller, but if you're giving me the full Rams

offense back again on the field, Cooper Cup is still a 14 to 17 point per game player down this stretch. He went for a 25 second today. I'm smashing Cooper Cup at that price. I just want him. I'll take him. Me too. I've sent two seconds for him and it's still sitting in an inbox because of them being my picks, but we're not going to get rid of. We're not going to get in it. We're not going to get in it. We're not going to get there. Rand number three. I can't get a random return to this podcast. What about leaving trades in the inbox? All right,

all right. We'll save that for another week. We're going to be here for two hours. Kareem Hunter, 25 second. For me, I'm taking the second here. Me too.

The Kareem Hunt, the time clock's kind of expiring. He's also been really bad for the last couple weeks. So we'll see if they even go back to him again. It's easily the, it's easily the second. He's still only worth of four. but check with coming back.

I don't think you'll be back. He's still a couple weeks away from what I understand, probably four weeks. I looked at Hilo, Marks from Caching Point, his write-up on this, and everything that Edwin has said as well, he's probably weeks away. They haven't even opened up his return window yet.

So we'll see. We'll see. But I'm selling anyway because, yeah, inefficient touchdown merchant, you can get those across the league. this one I want I just want to mention because this Patrick Mahomes thing I know I've been on this train trashing them and we went on this whole thing again on dynasty points but we have bucky irving ken Walker for patrick mahomes in a third and this one I'm just taking pat

yeah this is really disrespectful this is really disrespectful to pat this is the best player you're getting from a homes there is walker who's like a fourth round startup pick probably in our startup. So, yeah, it's disrespectful. If you can buy my homes, he did have a better game this past week. But if you can buy my homes, I'd be definitely trying.

It's the kind of game that makes them more available because he still didn't score 20 points in a four-point passing touchdown league. Like that, then motherfucker still hasn't done that. So found that kind of interesting. We got Alvin Camara for Malachi Corley and a 252. I'm just smashing Alvin Camara here. Like, we got an extension.

You're getting Camara lead back into next year. Kendrae Miller is dead again. Like, I'll take Camara. Me too. Yeah, definitely a second from Malacockeh. Who's that? I'm kidding. I was going to say, damn.

This, so just an idea of some of the plays being sold right now. And I mean, we got, I like this one, 2.25 firsts for Devon A. Chan, Josh Downs, and a second. And I am so heavily taking A. Chan downs in a second here. Yeah, that's the players, like, really easily to me as well. Easily. and you're getting the second too that's like that's like a really bad trade that is a terrible deal now i have seen i have seen some a chan deals lately that i am not a fan of at all one of them being from tom lee tom lee we talked about it i love you but that was a bad trade in my opinion we talked about that but a chan

downs and a two is such easy money easy money especially on the run that downs is about to go on and that was from today as well i think the market is slow to catch up to DeAndre Swift right now. Swift for a two and a three, if you're on a contending team, I will take Swift there. And I think you're selling a little low even, even though I referred to him as a Dynasty Zero. Clearly, I misjudged what was going to happen with that usage. Damn. Yeah, I was telling you to buy him when he was at the third.

I was telling you I got him. Yeah, I still could never get him for a third, though. That still never actually happened for me. And then the last one I want to talk about involves kind of a mid-tier quarterback play slash a running back who has definitely made me eat some words about Taji Spears. So you've got two 25 seconds for Tony Pollard and Daniel Jones. Now clearly this is a team that needs a quarterback, but where do you sit here? Because I paid two seconds for Tony Pollard at the start of the year.

And he's done nothing but come through for me. Yeah, I think that's how you have to look at the trade. Jones is a zero. He's awful. I'm probably going to get the non. injury guarantee benching here soon. If they lose the next three games and they're fully out of it, they're going to go to Drew Locke.

And I mean, it's been 800 days since my quarterback has thrown a touchdown at his home field. But I think you could pay two seconds for Pollard. I would feel fine about it. Pollard's been really good. He's locked into a deal. He's only 26 or 27. So he'll be back as a starting running back next season for the Titans and hopefully an approve offense with a different quarterback and stuff.

So I like it. Yeah. agreed agreed all right that's enough of the trades for today hopefully it gives you an idea of what to go out there and get we're going to take another quick break and we're going to get into our final section of the show so you are going to want to be locked in with that right here dynasty market report with myself and andrew buckler sit tight all right we're coming in here looking at the Tampa bay bucks backfield one more time is the last time we're going to talk about them until something actually changes.

The Sean Tucker experiment is over. This three-headed backfield, the ride the hot hand was a lie. Now granted, Todd Bulls was at the podium coping about Sean Tucker's usage. Let's just be real. The Tampa Bay defense is bad, very bad. They've been bad. They're giving up a ton of points. I believe they're giving up over 27 points over the last three or four.

games each game. So the past catching backs have mattered. The values though have not changed really at all. They are still very much aligned with one another between Bucky Irving and Roshad White. We see some Tony Pollards for Bucky Irving straight up. Josh Downs for Bucky Irving straight up. Give me Josh Downs every time. Or you get Bucky Irving for Christian Kirk in a third. It looks like people are just trying to sell Bucky still at this point. 26 second for Bucky. He's a throw in a lot of these deals.

I mean, hey, we got a Tyrone Tracy and Bucky Irving for a 25 first and a 26 second. I mean, it's starting to happen for Tyrone for sure. I say Tyrone like we are we know one another personally. But

he's starting to get there. But we got Rashad White for Michael Pitman. Rashad White, a third and a fourth for a first. Rashad White for two seconds. Rashad White for a second straight up. Rashad White and a first for Bruce Hall.

Whoa. Rashad White's still expensive? Rashad White is still expensive. So it looks to me when I'm looking at these trades in the database that Rashad White is more expensive clearly than Bucky.

And Bucky is the one that people are seemingly packaging to get rid of. Because the dream of Bucky taking over isn't here. And what do I mean by that? Well, let's look at it this way. In week 8, Bucky Irving at 51% of the snaps,

a 40% rush share, 16 routes on 51 dropback, seven targets, 14% target share, 14 expected fantasy points. It was 9 for 44, which is pretty good, and 7 for 40. That's pretty good. Rashad White, though, 55.6% of the snaps,

a 27.3% rush share, 27 routes on 51 drops on 51 drop. backs at 52% or I guess 53% a 12% target share six targets was six for 29 in the ground so he did his usual thing went five for 38 and one Sean Tucker had a whole seven snaps and ran three routes so it's still these two I'm still preferring Rashad White but bucky irving still looks good those two are just going to be interchangeable this is how it's going to go for the season so if you like Bucky now, great. His value, I don't see changing unless White gets hurt again. And White's value, I don't see changing because he's going to be on the team next year,

I imagine. I don't see a world where he's not. He's too useful of a player in real life for them to move off of him. Right. So you can really just have both on a team and play both. I am right now. I am in the Dynasty Points League of Record. I have to play both. That team is down so horrendously bad. And I do not have my first this year. We are just plugging away, waiting for Christian McCaffrey to get back. But that's it for the bucks. That's all we're going to talk about for the bucks backfield.

This is just what it is. So all the arguments about what you should do or not do for Bucky, just trade this, get the second now for Bucky, which I saw on Twitter a few weeks ago that Ryan Heath and I discussed in the DMs really ticked me off. He is what he is. He is what he's been. This is what we're getting with Bucky Irving.

That's just what it is. I don't think it's, I do not think it is going to change. We do, however, want to talk about the Deontay Johnson, trade because obviously that matters. Now, I will say the Ravens, the team I support the most, absolutely fleeced in this deal. They fleeced. They got Deontay Johnson and they got what is projected to be an early sixth round pick this

year. How do we predict early? Well, it's the real NFL and it's the Carolina Panthers. And obviously the Ravens are giving up their first round pick, their first, their fifth round pick in this draft. so a great deal for them. However, poor for fantasy.

He had a 37.4% first read target share, a wide receiver 6 ranking with Andy Dalton. He was at a 17.8 expected fantasy points per game. That was good for wide receiver 7 with Andy Dalton. The Ravens ranked 24th in past attempts per game, indicating a run heavy offense. Look who they have.

They have competition for targets and Zay Flowers and a healthy Mark Andrews now, whose route share is 67.4%. His route share is going. back up. The Ravens use, this is the one, because Jacob was even talking about how they, they, uh, what he wants them to use 11 personnel more. Guess what? Not going to happen. They only use 11 personnel 29.1% of plays. That is the lowest in the league. The team not going to banish Rashad Bateman to the Shadow Realm for taking a ball off his face harder than Mia

Khalifa this last week. And so we know it's likely going to be Bateman and Flowers and 12 personnel in the field. And you might be wondering, oh, man, how is Deontay Johnson, this fantasy favorite, really allowed to be traded for so little? I don't think the NFL views him like fantasy players view him. And that's how. There's a lot of conspiracies out there, some tinfoil hat conspiracies for once, not presented by me, about why and Tapper, being spiteful and whatever.

the case may be. The fact of the matter is the Ravens are a team pushing for a playoff hunt that watched Nelson Aguilor drop multiple first downs, Bateman dropped the big play. They just needed another weapon. This to me feels like it kind of nerfs three players. Zay Flowers is finally starting to get the volume as the wide receiver one. Now you get another cable receiver in the building. Mark Andrews was finally back to being like round seven startup. Mark Andrews, not round 16, which is where we got free money by the way just a little flex by us and this kind of nukes it for everyone a little bit not name Lamar Jackson. So I'm buying in Dynasty if he's relatively cheap because he's not going to be on this team next year. The Ravens are compensatory pick factory.

They trade for these guys and let him walk. They're going to get a sixth round pick. If Deontay Johnson signs a contract, that's more than $5 million a year, which he should. This is just what the Ravens do. So he's going to be on another team next year. it's a better one. He's a buy low for me. But this is really just a dynasty or the rest of season death for Deontay Johnson, no? Yeah, so I disagree with some of that.

I'm selling Deonti. I would sell for any second. I was trying to get a second and the third before the deal before he got traded from the Panthers. I'll take any second now, I think. He'll be 29 going into next season on his third team in a year and a half. This isn't the first time he's been traded by an NFL team for nothing either. and he did get traded away from the Steelers, the same thing, to the Panthers for like a fifth round pick. And I don't really think this hurts Zaythoven that much, Zayflowers.

I'm interested in buying him if people do think that. I think they have a really good rapport with Lamar. He's going to say as a wide receiver one. He runs a lot of routes Lamar likes. They just have just a really good rapport. I think this does nerve Rashad Bateman, though. I saw the reports with the Deanna Rossini, I think it was, where she was talking about how the Ravens texted.

And they said that Rasha Baitman's still going to play on the field. They still view Zay and Bateman as the top two wide receivers, all that. I don't buy that. I think in probably three weeks, Bateman's off the field for Deonti. I don't think so. He's a wide receiver and two riders' resets. I know they said the whole. They gave him an extension for doing nothing.

It was a fake extension, though. It really wasn't. It wasn't like any real money. And I don't know. We'll see. Zero. He shouldn't be on the roster. next. But they like this dude.

They love this guy. Love him. He would have to I guess, right, because he'll run the, he'll run the Gabe Davis routes like the down the field routes and Deontale be in the slot. They're just not going to run three wide. Unless they completely nuke Isaiah likely, which

they probably should. I don't know if they will. They're the most effective team and 12 personnel that there is in the league. They're not getting rid of that. Yeah. So if they say that way, I would like to sell Deonti, I guess like you said, hold out hope that he's on somewhere, but it just feels like, I mean, that's three teams in a year and a half. He's 20, he'll be 29 years old. It just feels like one of those players that's like,

man, remember when he was good? And he's just on these teams all the time. So I don't know, I don't want to like step out of line and disrespect him. He definitely could play. He earns targets. He steps on the field, he earns targets. That's definitely what he does. Doesn't always catch the targets and hasn't necessarily been a top locker room guy according to some of the reports. So I don't know I would like I would like to sell him and buy Buy Zayflowers if possible And even buy Mark Andrews too

He's a he's a tight end I don't know how much I would affect him It's just gonna have to affect likely the most And if you don't think so then I don't know where Deontay fits in I know they said they'll use them like the return game and stuff I'm not buying that he's too good of a player at least to not be playing in some capacity Yeah just again I think the idea that oh he finally got to go be the wider Super one on a team is so short-lived

I just don't think he'll ever be what we want him to be. But even still, if you look at the Bateman rule, it's like what? Four targets, four targets. He has to literally catch every single ball and then cash in on them. Like his role sucks anyway. So even if Deontay gets that role, it's going to suck unless Zay Flowers takes a nasty hit. So there's a couple different ranges of outcomes here. But I'm sorry.

Also, if you go back and look at his run block technique, the famous Steelers play where he literally just walks off the line and doesn't try to do anything and then watches the player run past him after they picked up the fumble, that's not going to play in Baltimore. So you got to include that in there as well. This is one of the,

I always hate the wide receivers getting knocked because they don't run block thing. Baltimore is a team where that is a legitimate issue. So if that pops up at all, this dude could just not end up seeing the field unless he's again just running the Aguilor crossing routes when they need a first down,

like they did need against Cleveland this last week. This could be death for him and nothing changes. This could be he comes in and clicks well and limits everyone else a little bit, or this could just be like another option for Lamar Jackson to use two to three times a game. Either way, the rest of the season for Deontay Johnson is nerfed.

He is a near zero. And I think you've talked me into it. He's going to be 29. And we've seen how teams, view him. It's a lot differently than what the fantasy community views him. I think I'm with you.

I'm no longer going to say that I am buying. And I think that I am purely just selling for a two or using him to package up to get whatever I can. So sad. It's sad because a lot of teams

needed him, especially after the Godwin injury. He was in a perfect situation with the Panthers. Like when everyone was talking about, oh, he's going to get traded, he's next to get traded. Should we buy?

Because he's going to get traded. I didn't want him to get traded. Yeah, I agree. He had an offense built around him with an offensive coordinator who went out and got him. He was set. He didn't need to get traded. And we've seen wide receivers changed teams in the middle of the season and it doesn't really work out, especially guys longer under their career. He's what year, seven, year eight.

So I didn't want him to get traded. And he went to the worst possible situation, especially when the chiefs and all that, like that got taken up by Hopkins. Like there was no other space for him. And he goes to the worst spot also. I'll say one last thing. they reported that the offer they took from the Ravens, which we talked about was the five, six swap. It was an awful trade for the Panthers.

They ate all the money was the best offer they got from three teams. So the other offers were worse than that. So he just wasn't viewed around the league. They got three offers and they took the best offer and somehow that was the best offer if we would leave the reporting. But that's what that's the report. Right. Let's talk about another wide receiver when we get back

from this next break, a wide receiver you've had discussions with, or not with, but about in our fantasy points dynasty discord, someone that finally did have a good breakout game, but we're going to talk about them when we get back on the other side of this break. Let's talk about Ladd-McConkie.

Let's do it. We need to talk about Ladd-McConkey. The pass rate has gone up for the Chargers over the last little bit, which is nice, but we are still needing a touchdown efficiency from this offense. But guess what? He got two last week. That put him in week winning categories.

So we like that for Ladd. And so far, my ranking of these wide receivers, having Ladd and Brian Thomas Jr. Over Xavier Worthy through the process. Though after week one, I faltered a little bit. I fell for it a little bit. I had Ladd and Brian Thomas Jr. over Xavier Worthy through the entire process. I think I'm going to be happy with that at the end,

even if Worthy does kind of break out in the second half. We are not talking about another rookie wire deceiver this week that looks like he's breaking out in Keon Coleman. I want to wait after this week, see what happens this week, see what kind of run he can end up going on. But with Ladd-McConkey, the Charter's offensive trend ranks fifth and pass rate over expected over the last two weeks. at plus 5.7,

improvement from the previously low of negative 7.2%, which is nice. He leads all wide receivers and mistackles forced per reception. So the shiftyness with Lad, obviously playing through in a big way. He ranks top 16

and fantasy points per route run at 0.52. He's tied with rookie Malik neighbors in that. He would rank top 7 and fantasy points per game if past volume match that of the Giants. wide receiver. His average, he is second in yards per route run against man coverage at 4.18. Good luck catching this dude compared to Steve Smith by his head coach, Jim Harbaugh. We love that.

So obviously with the, they just let me have fun, relax. Like the sad buck isn't going to remove the fun for me. He's obviously going to need volume to maintain the high upside. or he's going to need the high touchdown efficiency. I do just want to point out a lot of people are saying like, oh, people said he can't play outside because he's Caucasian. Both of his touchdowns,

he lined up in the slot to start to play. So just pointing it out there, though the one run, the, I can't talk today, the one route was pretty sick, even though he just literally stopped, did a shimmy,

and took off on the slot fade. Another thing people said can't translate from college, clearly it can. So let's talk about it, Buck. This is one of the guys you wanted to mention. I'll pull up some trades for him while you're talking. Let's talk Ladd-McConkey. Yeah, so I was excited to see him have a ceiling game.

He's been a floor player the whole season. I had some discourse about him in the discord, calling him a slot-only player, got pushed back on. I mean, I do believe he is a slot player. That's what he's been. In week eight, he had a 68.4% route participation, 13.5A dot, which is great. Like, we love that.

If he's going to run an A dot like that, that's perfect. Because he was down in the eights in weeks prior. He was in the J-Sast. Yeah, 32.4 area-yard share with 81 air yards. 18.8 target share, which I'd like to see in the 20s. 23% targets for route run. Great. 25% first read really good, and he has six for 111 and 2 on six targets.

And the last Lab Mokonki set I have is since 25, So from 2014 to 2024, he is seventh in fantasy points for outrun, eighth, I'm sorry, eighth in fantasy points for outrun. Malik Neighbors is seventh, Brian Thomas is six, and then it goes first is Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Hollywood Brown third, Puka fourth, Calvin Ridley, five. So he's in there right with all them, some of the best first round receivers or first and second round receivers we've had, just receivers in general. I see Terry down here at 10.

So he's up there in elite company over his first seven games. Like there's not a single bust on this list. Like after Ladd, it goes, well, okay, maybe I spoke too soon. I see Tank Dell. But after that is Terry McLaurin, Odell, Stefan Diggs, Chris Olive, Drake, London, Michael Thomas. So elite company for Ladd, I definitely changed my tune. I don't want to say off of that one game. But I'm happy that they're throwing the ball more.

They've thrown the ball more since the bar, which I said was a possibility of happening. We know Justin Irver was not happy with that. They're still not throwing the ball 50 times, but they're not throwing the ball 50 times. but they're throwing it. He is the best wide receiver on the team by a large margin, and that's kind of where I get nervous, because I do still think he's going to get a first round receiver dropped on his head. And we could talk about what we think about the class or whatever.

He's going to get a first round receiver dropped on his head, and he's probably going to get a free agent receiver dropped on his head. Is he good enough to overcome that? I'm not sure. I'm not sure because he's still, like, he's still like an 18% target share. If he's going to be a 23% target share for the rest of the season and really show like some alpha type stuff, because even the guys like on that list, they're all alphas. Even Hollywood Brown, he's little. He was an alpha.

Like he put up alpha metrics for years. Lad's still not there to me. And Hollywood Brown played outside. So if that happens, I don't want to, I'm definitely, he switched from a sell to me. Like I was a sell. He's a hold for me now. But I still think he's going to be expensive. I still think you can get like Keon Coleman Plus. And I'm interested in a trade like that. But I'm not trying to sell for like a couple seconds or still probably wouldn't sell for like a singular first, like just as random 25, like, no, I'll just keep lad. I did that. I had a choice to sell him for a 26 or do a different deal, and I kept the, I kept him over the 26. So I had no want to do that. But I think like, you know, like a like a key on trade, I'm with it, something like that. But definitely really, really good game from him. And it's just a really good

player. He hasn't, he's never played a full, like, never played a full compliment of like wide receiver ever. He's played like half of the seasons in college and stuff. That was the thing. So This is like his first season playing a whole year and saying someone healthy. I know people want to say like, oh, he's banged up. That's why everyone's banged up. I don't care about that if you're playing. You're playing unless you're Michael Pittman. But yeah, this is what it is.

So what are your thoughts on Ladd, if you agree with that? I'm indifferent. I don't think I'm running out to buy in most cases, but I did pull up Ladd-McConkie on the Dynasty Daddy trade database. I swear I'm going to get through the rest of this podcast and be able to speak. I think he was fine at the price we were paying. I think he is attached to the needing for volume. Look, he had six for 100 plus

and he had two. Both touchdowns were nice. Both touchdowns were horrendous plays by the DB if we're going to nitpick. But the deep ball was nice. Hopefully we get more of it. The route was nice. The DB kind of lost it.

He didn't and he was able to take it in. I think that's fine. That's great. I don't think he's a prototypical. alpha type player that's going to provide you alpha type numbers. And I think some of these trades reflect that in the community. We've got Rishi Rice for Ladd-McConkie straight up. I'll take that.

We have got, see, I'll take Rice. So I'll, we have Derek Henry for Ladd, a second, and two-thirds. That is a kind of a crazy price for Derek Henry to me. That is a wild one. I will take Ladd-McConkey most times are scenarios where I might want to keep Henry. But we've got Ladd for Russ Wilson, Bateman, and J.K. Dobbins from today. I'm smashing the Ladd-McConkey side.

Keep in mind, this is Superflex, start-10, tight-end premium. We've got Kyle Pitts for Ladd-McConkey, which I think is interesting. That, like, right around the price. That's interesting one. That's like six-round startup value. Yeah, I'm probably taking Ladd here,

but the recent Kyle Pitt surge has me very interested and very, very much so thinking about this kind of deal. I don't think I would do this deal straight up, though. I think I would need a little something, something on the lad's side for me to give up my pits. But we'll see. I think I'll take pits, actually. Because I know people hate when I say this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

Lad's kind of a player I just don't really care about. And that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Like, I think he sucks or anything. He's just kind of like a what do you win when you win player. He's kind of priced at. I think he's like he'll be priced at what he is. Like he's going to probably be like a top 15 to 18 dynasty startup receiver. That's like, I don't know.

You could pick that. and he'll probably live in the fifth, sixth round of startups for a couple of years. We also said this about like a Jordan Addison, and it didn't happen. Yeah, Ladd doesn't have Justin Jefferson hanging over his head? I get that. No, I get that, but Justin Jeff, or, oh my God, now I can't speak either. Jordan Addison at this point had a better rookie season than Lat. I mean, we'll see how it ends up.

And he was a better prospect than Lat. He was a first round pick. And he's kind of losing some of that. already. It's just like if we see Ladd, if we see someone like if we see a wider Sierra get dropped on Lad's head, they don't have enough volume in the, I don't mean to keep bringing up to the same points, but they don't have enough volume in the offense for him to overcome that. We don't know how good he is. So he's just like kind of is what he is. Like, I don't know. Like I don't really care about him. He's not a player that's like,

oh my God, I have Lad, can't sell him. Can't get rid of him because I don't see where his path is to be a top 12 dynasty receiver or even to really like hold that top 15, top 15 thing. So I think I'll take, I actually just take pits because they're probably, they might score similar and I get one I can play at my tight end. It's kind of why I find it interesting that you take him over Rishi Rice because we know what Rishie Rice is going to get as soon as he steps back onto that field. I, I disagree on Rice, man. We could talk about, we could talk about Rishi in a different podcast like Longform, but I don't want to sell Rishi for any player that's young in their rookie season that's playing right now because of the chance that they can get better. Rishi is not playing. He's not gaining any value for the rest of the year.

He's not having value in the startup we just did. And let me tell you, he is impossible to trade for off of players, rosters who have him. I traded him away. He's impossible. I think people kind of lost the plot on him. I don't think he's very talented. Like,

I don't think he's that talented or a receiver. And I'm not so sure that he's just going to walk back into his role that he had. And they're just going to, but they had the offense built around him on these short, short intermediate routes, and it sucked. Like, the offense sucked with that. They're the chiefs. They can do what they want.

They could change the offense. They can get more receivers. I think they wanted Hollywood Brown to be a way bigger part of the offense than he was than people thought. He obviously never got to play a snap for them. I just don't, like, LAD isn't Justin Jefferson. He's not a top tier NFL receiver. He just had a really good role for fantasy and was producing at a really high rate that I don't,

and we don't even know what the injury fully is. Like, we've, they've been so coy about this. stupid injury. We don't even know. And he has a suspension pending that he's not a player. He's not a player that I feel like if, I don't even want to say Justin Jefferson, he's the best receiver in the league. But we could talk, even like a Chris Olivae or something, that like if he tore his ACL, I know he'll come back and he'll have his role and he'll still be good. I don't know if I feel about that with Rishi Rice. I don't think Rishie Rice is as talented as people make him out to be because he was running Mickey Mouse routes on an offense built around him out of necessity.

And now he's hurt and about to be suspended. And he has a... You know, you comp, you comp, you comp, you comp, him to Amman Ross St. Brown. And let me tell you, do you remember what people's opinions were and still are of Amman Ross St. Brown? Him being a receiver that runs Mickey Mouse routes and an offense designed around him out of necessity.

Yeah, but he didn't miss a year, though. Yeah. That's my... He didn't miss a year on his own fault. He didn't do anything wrong. Mahomes, fat ass. Well, he did. Things were wrong.

but like it wasn't anything well aside from being near my home trying to scramble and pick up a fumble like I think look they've they have other guys the other guys don't really fit and work in the offense I think he walks in and exactly has that role it is a tough rule to learn there's a ton of choice and option routes my homes clearly trust them now so did Andy read that's not changing any bit and yeah he's going to have a suspension pending but four games possibly like until I see something, until I see a reason to change my opinion on rice, I'm not going to. And he did gain a little bit of value.

He jumped into the fourth round in the startup that we had done so far during this season. And again, trying to pluck him, you're not getting a discount on rice. Ladd-McConkie is probably the biggest discount you're going to get. And these trades happened today. So this is after an insane breakout by Ladd-McConkey. Look at this one. Ladd-McConkey and Bryce Younger, was she right? Yeah, I just, I just don't want to do it.

This is the trade. I just don't want to do a deal like that because I think I wouldn't want to either. I'm not saying I'm actively going out and trading Ladd-McConkie for Rishie Rice because I need the points on my roster. But I'm saying like when I see that, I'm not like, oh, Rishie Rice. Yeah, it's not even that I'm like that either. It's just I don't like the structure of a trade. It's been like that when Rishin first got hurt. I don't like the structure because my player is playing and he's a rookie.

We haven't seen everything yet from him. If he goes on a tear for the rest of the season, that trade looks dumb as hell. I agree. I think that trades available for you at any time. That's why back a few weeks ago was when Rishi first got hurt. Like the prime trade targets for him was like Jaden Reed, go trade nerd for him. And I pushed back on that too because it's the same thing. My player's playing and he had 230-yard games in the first four weeks.

Like I want to see the player play that players that are in their first and second season that I don't know. like I don't know for sure what they are. I don't know what Ladd is yet. What if Ladd has the Rishi stretch? Then I look dumb. I look dumb. I just want to hold the player. If I'm trading for Ladd, I want to trade a lad.

If I'm trading for Rishie, I want to trade a player. I know what the hell he is. I know what I'm giving up. I want to trade aging players or not even aging players. Terry McLorrens in a second. Players like that. I got rejected for that earlier. And this year, I was very sad about it.

Like those types, like a Chris Godwin, if he wasn't injured. It's perfect. Like a player like that. This is like my third round. I'm crazy, man. And I interrupt you. You are going crazy. You're going wild right now today.

I told you I was bringing the energy this bottom. We saw D'Andre Swift for Ladd-McConkie straight up. I find that one interesting. That's loud for me. We've got Ladd and Brandon Ayuk for a fourth. That's, man, that's tough with the I-Uk. That's Ladd for me. Ladd-McConkey or Travis Kelsey and Keenan Allen?

Ladd. Yeah, I agree. Ladd-McConkey and Chase Brown for little points London. Really? Yeah. You can get Drake Leonard for that? Apparently.

That's just respectful. That's from six days ago. That's disrespectful. Yeah, it's just respectful. Yeah, it's Jake London about a lot. That'd be before the breakout too. That's a lot. I don't even know if we should count that. I'm just saying it's in here.

It's in here. We have to remember, I like to remember. No, you're right. You're right. There's like a, we're only reaching a certain, a very small percent of the fantasy community out there. We have to assume that all these trades are in play and not do the well in my league. No, you're right. That trade, you're getting left in that trade is going from the DM, going into the group chat,

and you're going to be roasted for it for about two years. So Jake Lynn is also like a fantasy nerd player. Exactly. He's our player. I did want to talk about two more players on this pod, and we're at an hour. So we're going to quickly run through this. I just wanted to talk about Marvin Harrison Jr. really quick, because there was the whole trade Marvin Harrison

panic. Even I've DM doing it's like, man, this guy looks like he sucks. But it was obvious to me what the problem was, which is not clicking with Kyla right away and Drew Petzig. Because oh my lord. Marvin Harrison Jr. per Scott Barrett, his ass by route type, cornerback comeback route. He was a 0.333 ass, which is fifth best. His crossing routes was a 0.353 in ass, which is fifth best, and his ass on post routes were a 0.136, that's sixth best. These three routes made up just 24.6% of Marvin Harrison Jr.'s total routes.

So the routes he was good at, he wasn't running. The go route, which made up 23.4% of his total routes, he was a negative 0.05 ass. that was fifth worst so then you have to think about what happened because this last week he had 23.1 fantasy points well he ran

more corners and posts further fewer go routes they bumped up from our Ryan Heath says they need to bump up the crosser routes but for his route type he ran a hitch route from weeks 1 through 7 at only 15%

his week 8 was 24%. His yards per route run overall on that 1.18. Here's the one that they need to increase. It is the crossers because his yards per route run on this is 7.38. In weeks 1 through 7, it was only at a 10%.

In week 8, it was a 12%. So that's upticking. The corner route was 12% through weeks 1 through 7 was 18% at week 8. His post route was 13% in week 8. Guess what? 18% in 6%.

in week 8. We've got 2.24 yards per row run and a 1.88 yards per row run on both of those routes. What Marvin Harrison is really not running is screens. He does not have a single one. So he's not getting the cheap routes there, none in the flats, and he's not getting any targets in the backfield like some of the elite wide receivers are. That's on Drew, in my opinion. However, this just shows signs that if they do the things that he's actually good at,

which hopefully this continues. He also burned Jalen Ramsey on two of those plays as well. Both of the targets thrown to him in that situation. I believe he was two for 38 and one of those was a touchdown. So he did it against the best player on the defense. He might be cooked now. Like the old Jalen Ramsey is probably cooked and he's just not the same player. But still, he's still the best secondary player on the team's defense.

And he burned him and he scored. But this is why we don't panic sell the player that was the 101. Like it's still the rookie. now it's not a Roma Dunezay situation. Rome is showing like next to nothing in my opinion. Like he had his best yards per and target share week and still was like not that important for fantasy this last week because Caleb also sucked.

That's also the problem with having a rookie receiver and a rookie quarterback and thinking they're going to produce when they have another two other legitimate targets. But that's a whole other conversation for a whole other podcasts. I am legitimately concerned about a Dunezay and I actually liked what Jacob said. Like Adunzei looks bad. Polk looks like ass.

Like the Washington receiver core look bad. Maybe Panics is actually good. I don't know. But that's, again, another theory for another podcast for another day. But this is why you don't panic sell the 101. And this is the cheapest Marvin Harrison has been. Like you can actually, we always say like there's no such thing as buying low or buying on a dip. But this is the most accessible to trade Marvin Harrison probably will ever be.

so yeah i've still never seen them trade it though me either i haven't seen them trade at any leagues that i'm in i think that's a fake say a fake by low scenario fake trade for but we've got like marvin harrison or drake london and chris godwin we've got we have oh interesting marvin harrison for garrott wilson and chris godwin garrett wilson interesting i think i would take marv there uh brock for marvin harrison or bucky irving brock bowers okay interesting so you're You're just, Brian Thomas from Marvin Harrison straight up. Thomas. So, yeah.

So you're out on Marv. Not out, but I don't know what he's done to really, like, why should he be valued around those players? Because if Marvin Harrison goes on this run, he's going to be valued over all of those guys again like he was before. And all it takes is like you just said with lad, all it takes is that run for that trade to look dumb. It's, it's just hard. Like the Brock Bowers one, I'm assuming, tied in premium. It all always side in premium. So I understand like wanting Brock Bowers.

Yeah, he scores better than Marv. Marv. Marv is. That's what I'm saying. I understand that. But when you look at like a guy like Garrett Wilson who's losing value week to week, even if we don't agree with it, I mean, Marv could definitely put up what Garrett Wilson is done for this year easily. And I mean, Garrett Wilson has been great, but through his career, he gets propped up by a lot of his outlier metrics. So I totally understand why somebody will want Marv. if Marv goes on this Marv type run and has a Rishi Rice type run

towards the end of the year when Drew Petzig finally figures out how to use the fucking Ferrari that he has in his offense. Yeah, I totally get it. Totally get it. I'm not panic selling. If you drafted Marv, right,

your team is probably bad unless you got lucky. Also, if your team was bad and you drafted Marv, that's on you for not taking the quarterbacks. Like, that's on you to begin with. That's a whole other conversation. but yeah I totally understand not wanting to trade for

you trade him away for garrot wilson where you have them like so many unique circumstances need to exist for you to want to trade or be able to trade Marvin harrison Jr. away. Yeah, I'm not saying he's a sell or anything. I also just don't really know if he's looked like a Ferrari if I'm going to be honest. He's been used as a sacrificial extra receiver which I know like that needs to change. That's on the coordinator, period.

That also is like, I mean, he is a prototypical, like, 90s receiver. That's how he plays. He does play on the outside. He's a pure X. He's not going to get a lot of layup targets, and he's not going to, like, you said, like have the Rishi Rice and St. Brown type of the stretch at the end. I mean, he's not going to probably have that because he's just, they were like slot merchants.

He's not. He's not going to have, like, a bunch of 10-catch games like they were having. But I don't want to say Marv as a sell. I guess my pushback on some of those deals are just, I hate deals like that. I just hate the wide receiver or wide receiver deal. especially young wide receiver for young wide receiver than I end up with the one that's ass like I just rather do a different structure of a deal and I know drake london and gary wilson are like incredibly good so I just don't see like a point of those trades and the

brock bowers one is the one that i would have the most uh um like i'd want to do that one the most like that one i'm strongly on the bowers side all the other ones like i'm not going to sit and argue with you about them right right i again i'm just thinking there should be no way Marv is not getting a single screen or a drag or not being used in some Nico Collins-esque way where a 6 foot 6 4, 212 plus pound wide receiver

getting used. There's just better ways if the coordinator was better to get their number one receiver which he is. I'm sorry but Dorch get out of here. Michael Wilson, fine player but get out of here. There's just no creativity in that and then so to me it's obvious but it's obvious why you don't panic sell but that being

said that's enough more for today i just want to point out that when used in ways that highlight his strengths uh clearly marv shouldn't have been panic sold we told you not to panic sell pump the brakes all right last segment before we get at here we have our savant play of the week this is the play that is either going to make us look like we are indeed fantasy football ball savants because we know what we're talking about well ahead of everyone else in the market. My play for this week is D'Andre Hopkins. If you buy him now before he does anything, by the end of the year, you could quite possibly have a 14 point per game wide receiver, a 15 point per game wide receiver, and he's still

relatively cheap enough for this to matter. Yes, some players are going to charge you a second round pick for them. And I'm probably not buying at that price. But if you can go out there and grab yourself, like, look at this, DeAndre Hopkins for Keaton Mitchell. I'll just take DeAndre Hopkins. Christian Kirk, I'll take DeAndre Hopkins. We see DeVontes Walker.

I'll take DeAndre Hopkins. The players, and there it is for a third, DeAndre Hopkins. Like, I will caved over and a fourth. I'll just take DeAndre Hopkins. He is the type of player that can either do nothing, granted, sure, but he was already doing nothing, so whatever. Or he's the type of player that ends up getting into the route and the route share and the route participation that they keep talking about him having in Kansas City. Ed coach reassured everyone after this week that he would be in the Rishi Rice role. Granted, this role is tough to learn.

It is the most option routes out of the slot in the end. NFL. So it is tough to get there, but he did only run 14% of his routes in the slot last week, but as I mentioned, this offense is weird, but they did trade for them. They do need them. Last season, Hopkins showcased 2.95 yards per route run from the slot, which is pretty, that's damn good. He also ranked sixth or in the top six for slot average separation score. He can still run the route. He was in a terrible Titans offense this. year. So to me, there could still be something there left a little bit to learn. But to me, this is the type of player. You slot him into your second flex spot. You get 14 to 15 points out of

them down the stretch. You're going to look like a genius or some might say a savant. So he is my week nine savant play of the week. My savant pick is looking kind of less savant at this point because it's, I think it's kind of been taken over on fantasy Twitter at this point. But it is rookie wide receiver out of Holy Cross. From the Carolina Panthers, Jalen Coker. He had, in week eight, Deonti Johnson was fake hurt, but he is not gone. There was his first game with that.

He had a 17.1% target share, 80% route participation, 80% slot rate, 17.2A. Dot, 103 air yards. He was like a prospect. I saw a lot of people, not a lot of people, but certain people talk about him before the season. He went undrafted. He made the team.

he was earning playtime all year. Now Thielen's hurt and Deontay is gone. He should have the slot roll. He should have the slot roll to himself. He's kind of probably going to turn into like the new Dantavion Wix, pop-douglas type like Twitter player. But he's a rookie that had a solid game that has some solid metrics. That's still very cheap that when you see something like that from a rookie,

I think you want to act on it, want to buy it. And he now has an open path to play. He had like I said, 80% slot rate, he should have that slot roll to himself for the rest of the season. They'll see what they have in them. Really interested in him buy like for a couple thirds or you know, like an old player that's like a Tyler

Lockett and a third, something like that. I would like to buy Jalen Coker, I think, and I think you can have a really good game this next week. He did that also against the Broncos. It's very hard to him pass on. So let's talk about those trades. Jalen Wright and Jalen Koker. We have got 25 third. Another

25 third. A lot of 25 thirds. Romeo for cocker is another one that's popped up and then there are just a lot of trades where he is a throw in gino smith for cocker in a second um a lot of trades where he's just a throw in so zach moss and chase brown for mac millin cocker and a fourth um wicks as you mentioned for cocker and kendrick bourne why is he still being added in trades i don't know uh that's just one of those fake overpay type scenarios host oh yeah let me just give you born he's usable in whatever weeks he's not he's asked stop it um a fourth for cocker willis and brenton strange that's this was oh that's from

two weeks ago never mind that one that one we're writing off um but yeah so you're right definitely possible that's gonna do it that's our show for today just a quick shout out uh we did talk tyrone tracy on the dynasty points broadcast there's a bit in there i think you should go and listen to if you haven't already where I mentioned that he's probably the starter heading in the next year given they already give Singletary a contract and they have more

needs than running back to spend their draft picks on so he's still probably too cheap but he's going to get more and more expensive as more and more people catch on to him as a player but to me I wanted to talk about him in the show but I think if I weaseled Tyrone

Tracy in here for another week after the Yankees collapse Buck would actually fly here and try to beat the shit out of me. So just I did that whole bit on the Tuesday night show and the Wednesday morning release podcast. Go check that out. It is must listen. But that's going to do it.

That's going to do it for us. Rate, review, comment, post, DM us. Let us know what you think if you want more and what more this type of content that you want to see. Buck and I are going to be looking at doing some more stages in the Discord. We might do some joint TikTok streams as well because you guys have been really enjoying that. So we're going to figure all that stuff out,

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