Fantasy Football Daily - Dynasty Market Report -REAL Trades to consider + Zay Flowers, JSN, Jayden Reed, Tucker Kraft, Justin Fields, | Dynasty Points

Episode Date: October 19, 2024

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Hello, everybody. This is a Dynasty Market Report. I'm going to be your host as we let this podcast become reborn, if you would. Thomas Tipple, as always, I'm the host of Dynasty Points as well. Join me as always is Dynasty Buck. That's Andy underscore Buckler. On Twitter, the Discord demon, as some of you might know him as, this is what it's going to be. This is what this is all about.

We are going to look every week at some sort of trade theory thing that is probably just pissed us off that we've seen on Twitter or seen ass somewhere or in leagues. Like me not accepting or declining bucks trade that's been in my inbox for two days. It's really pissing them off. But, you know, we're going to talk about stuff like that. is their etiquette and fantasy football pretty much. We have something this week that I'm excited to get into. We're going to talk about players we do and don't like and whether or not we think they are or are not good.

And then we're going to compare that to the market. That's basically just all this is. Who are we trading? What are realistic trades getting done? What's happening in leagues right now? And what we think we can go and get done? Because there's a lot of just buy player for this, buy player for that.

And there's no real breakdown for it. That stuff pisses us both off because a lot of times what we see on Twitter is not real. And we play for real money in real leagues and we put it on the line. So that's what we're here to do. If you have questions, comments, stuff you want us to cover on the show, you let us know and we're going to get it done. These are not going to be two and a half long marathons. I don't think Buck could handle it. I think he would quit on me.

If we tried to go for two and a half hours, he would just try to fly through his camera. and punch me in my fat face or something. That's just what it is. But Buck, I say we tap into it right away. And I'll start with a question. And that question is going to be, what drove you the most nuts on the Dynasty Twitter sphere this week?

Because there has to be something. There's a few things. Well, one, it's not necessarily Dynasty Twitter, but I'm still pissed about that trade, and I want you to accept a client or counter it before the show is over. Before the show it's over is crazy. Before this show is over.

So you got about 45 minutes to an hour to get that one done. But I would say the thing that's pissed me off the most is the tweeting about things that are too late, like buy Pop Douglas after you had a 30 piece. Like after you already went crazy. Things like that have been killing me because it's not, it's not reactionary. It doesn't help anybody. We need to do that before. We need to get ahead of curbs. Find players before they break out.

they do something or before they're bad and we think they're bad. Like if we wait for a guy like we'll talk about later, like Jalen Polk, well, it's kind of might be a little too late to talk about selling him. You should sell him now before three weeks he's bad again. And then we do the oh, it's a sell. Well, then he doesn't have any value then. So that's kind of been what's bothered me the most. It drives me crazy, right?

We have clear signs. It's the same thing to me with the Drake May is starting. Now he's worth more. This is the type of stuff that absolutely makes. he crazy because that should already baked into his price. You think he's going to play at some point. It's not redraft.

You move him up in a redraft ranking now that he's playing. It's not, you don't move him up in a dynasty ranking because of that. But when I see people, he was always going to play. Like that never makes sense. Right. And he's like, oh, well, he threw three touchdowns. Great. That baked in.

Him being a good player was baked into his price to begin with. Now, there's the other half of that. that where we completely ignore him looking terrible at times, but that's neither here nor there. Twitter is going to do Twitter's thing, and they're going to see something from their perspective that they're waiting to see it from and ignoring everything else. Neither here nor there. That's not what we're here to do, but we're here to say that this stuff that we see on Twitter about buy now, well, again, like Buck said, you're too late.

It's too late. You can't do that. So, yeah, I think you're right. I think that that does drive me nuts. And I will continue to driving nuts. And there's going to always be players that are by Stefan Diggs. Too late is, he was a, look, you needed to buy him in the off season when he was like a round nine, round 10 pick, round eight pick. You need to buy him then.

Now when he's putting up damn near 20 points, like, yeah, the first couple of weeks, he's played like a tight end. But you've got some stats on Stefan Diggs. He's actually be damn good. And he's hard to trade for. You can't trade for this guy right now because, the teams that have them, guess what? They're winning. They need them.

What are we talking about? Go buy some from a woo. Some random team that might be one in four or whatever, one in five and holding on now. Come on. It's nonsensical is what it is. It's just putting it out there for anyone to click on. It's not real advice.

It's not real advice, in my opinion. Maybe for, look, I understand that we, might reach like 2% of the fantasy space. Well, in my league, he's available. Fine. Then go and do that. Always be checking in on players. But come on, for the most part.

He's not on a rebuilder. We're going to help you guys get ahead, though. We're not going to do that in this show. Exactly. We're actually going to do real, real things that help you get ahead. There's one thing that I want to talk about that's kind of pissed me. me off. And it's not really as much as a Twitter thing as it is an in-league problem. People worry too much about other people's trades and it costs them.

We have league mates that when they see someone else get a deal done, they will tell us, oh, Ives, they, they, they, you get a trade done. Okay, we think it's fair value, let's say. Pretty on maybe you got a little bit ahead, maybe you got a little bit of hind. We don't care about winning or losing trades. We just want to win the leagues that we're in. And sometimes you got to, quote, lose a little bit on the value. It's just how it is, right?

We understand that. Somebody else might be like, oh, you fleece this guy because he has a different opinion about a player than we do. Oh, fleeced them. Now, I'm not going to trade with you now. You fleeced him. I'm not going to let you fleece me. That doesn't make any sense.

That doesn't make any sense. Just do the trade that's going to help you anyway. I'm the one coming to you. clearly nobody else is because you haven't moved that player, but you're not going to do a trade with me because how you feel objectively about a trade I did with somebody else. And then what makes it worse is when it's a trade from a different league and they're applying it to the league that you're trying to get a trade in.

Like that trade had nothing to do with you. It shouldn't affect the trade that we're doing right now in this league that is going to help us in this way. I think it's insane. I think that's an insane way. to think about it because you're just costing yourself deals. No, for sure. I mean, if you have different values,

the whole point of doing trades is having different values of players. That's how trades get done. So other people are going to look at trades a certain way. You just have to, usually, and this happened to me, like me, I've done it. You see a trade go through and you're like, damn, I wish I could have got that. And you get a little mad for a second, but at the same time, you got to kind of have to get over it. You didn't send anything.

They sent it. It's on you. Just move on and get to the next trade. You can't really let that shit bother you too much because then you're going to be way behind. Yeah, oh man, he got player X. Now I can't get Player Y from this guy because I missed out on Player X. It's like, oh my God, stop.

Like, just try to make your team better. Like that's at the end of the day, two things. Who cares what Fantasy Manager gets what player for? That doesn't matter. Go out there and stick to your values. Now, I think what people should do is if you clearly see a. shift in what your league is value and what players for, change yours up to. Sure.

There are leagues where I'm charging more for receivers in because you and I both know that it's a receiver demon league and trying to get wide receiver 27 costs you to X more in that league than what it does than a regular league. We know that this happens, so you have to change those values. We have running, there are, believe it or not, running back leagues where there are certain guys that you know you have to pay up for more just to get a running back off the roster. It sucks, but we know that. you have to do it.

So we're not saying that you shouldn't change how you value players per certain leagues. You just shouldn't cross-apply league values on the basis of, oh, I think you fleeced them. It just sounds stupid to say. Yeah, you got to just get over that. It is like you said, you got to shift values, right? There's leagues where I've decided I'm just going to be a running back demon team. I'm just going to trade for a bunch of running backs because I can't get receivers are too expensive. And I'm going to just build my team that way and figure it out.

You got to kind of let the league decide sometimes. Always going in with some, like, thing you want to do. It's not always going to work. It varies by league. So, yeah, just stop getting mad about that and make your trades. Let's get it and counter my trade. How many times you can work that in? That's a lot of some.

I feel like you're going to say it at least four times. All right. Got to do some housekeeping, of course. The Dynasty Point Show is live. Tuesday nights on the YouTube channel. That podcast comes out Wednesday. We're recording this October 17th at like 233 in the afternoon, my time. And we don't know for sure when it's going to pop onto the podcast feed.

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Okay, let's get into some players. We have some players that we just want to talk about, not specifically ones that we're really trying to find for trades, but Buck and I every week are in a Discord chat and channel, just discussing players at all times, and we felt this is a good way to bring that to all of you. I think we'll wait on the receivers. I want to start with quarterback.

I want to start with Bo Nix because for fantasy, I think he's been fine, And I actually think he's somebody that you're happy with if you drafted at the 211 or like the 201. From 111 to 203, you're happy if you've drafted. Bo Nix, you have to be. Unless you pass on Brian Thomas Jr. to do it, in which case you're a sad, sad boy. And you deserve to feel sad for it. But I think he was a fine pick for a team that might need a third quarterback.

He is QB 18 and points per game. I know you have something for that. but I'm okay with it. He has back-to-back 20-point games. He's running enough, and he's hand-picked by Sean Payton. So I've been happy to play him over Patrick Mahomes in a league that I'm in the last couple of weeks.

Obviously, Mahomes is on buy, right? So I'm very happy to have been able to play Bo Nix that week and have him outscore what Mahombs would have given me. So that's just the way fantasy works. It's ugly. sometimes, but I've been happy with Bo Nix, man, and I'm not going to say to go and buy, because we went and looked at a couple of trades for him on Dynastydady.com, and they don't feel real, like they don't feel realistic for what people are actually paying. He might actually

be a sell, but we'll get into that after. What have your take's been with Bo Nix? Because I think we have a differing opinion on him. So I liked Bo Nix a lot coming out, because I thought he had a really good profile. with the rushing and stuff like that. And he's obviously been in college for 37 years. So I thought he was going to be like really just ready to play. I thought he's looked really rough this season. I'm not going to lie. I thought he's looked really bad. He won a game throwing for 60 yards. He had last week he was awful until the fourth quarter. He's QB 18 in points for game, but it's kind of, it's kind of fraudulent. He's less than a single point away from being tied for the quarterback 25 and he hasn't had his buy yet. And he has as many. I and T's as TDs. So he's closer, he's like closer to a like quarterback 32 or whatever. I saw that sat on Twitter than a top 12 quarterback. So I think it's a little fraudulent, a little fraudulent for the 18 points for, a quarterback 18 points for game. And I think he's, I think he could be all right. He showed some things, definitely the rushing. Like he's definitely

going to run and he's going to run a lot. He doesn't have any weapons. We talk about his weapons his old six seven scatback receiver that he has. 32 year old rookie tight end. So they're the same age. That's probably why they have a good connection. And Cortland signs on his last year of his deal, I think, and he's been in trade conversations. Maybe he does get moved later in the season if they're bad.

So I think he could be a buy if he's valued how I think he probably should be valued, but I don't think he's valued like that. People see the, he's quarterback 13, I think, in Rob. points. People see that, see rookie quarterback. They're not going to trade him. So, yeah, I think I disagree with the fact that this dude is going to be like a good player and he's a guaranteed good player and we should be valuing him as so. Like, similar to like a Mac Jones when like Mac Jones had a really good rookie season and he's like a fifth round startup pick and he sucks. That's why I worry about Bo Nix. I don't think Bo Nix will get there just simply

because I think the fantasy market has become a little bit sharper in general. Like, I have some trades that we can talk about for Bo Nix that have happened in the last couple of weeks. And you can tell me if you want Bo Nix or not. All right. And to me, like, I think this is where these are ones that I would buy for and I have some ones that I would sell for. We have Bo Nix a 263 or Josh Jacobs. It depends on the league. I'd probably rather Josh Jacobs, though.

Interesting. All of these are two quarterback, start 10, 12 teamers, full PPR. I think I think I want Bo Nix. there. We have Bo Nix and a 253 and Josh Jacobs in a 254. Why are we up? Tide end premium. People are just only trading

Bo Nix for Josh Jacobs. These are just the two that I found that stuck out to me the most. I'll take I'll take Jacobs again. Okay. 0.5 tight end premium. Same thing. Start 10 12 team two quarterback. Bo Nix. Evan Ingram and Zach Moss. What was it?

In a two quarterback, 12 team start 10, full PPR, half point, tight end premium. I'm Bo Nix or Evan Ingram and Zach Moss. Oh, for a second I thought that was one side of the trade. I definitely won't Bo Nix there. That's not even close to me. Okay, good, good. See, I thought maybe you would say Ingram because of the tight end premium,

but I'm completely agree. We got Bo Nix and a 26 first. This is, to me, no question. Bo Nix for 261. Yeah. I think, again, that depends. I think that really depends on your team. I don't know if I want to give a first room.

If I'm really, really desperate, I just would rather go, like, big game hunting somewhere else, get a quarterback a different way. Right. So I'm going to pick the 26th first here, and that's because I need to make sure that if my team is like, look, it's going to get over the top here with Bow Nix. I think you're either delusional or you're reaching and trying to say, I don't think I can get a different quarterback in that class. I don't like rookie quarterbacks and this guy's already shown something. I want the quote known commodity. he's not really a known commodity I'm going to take the first here

I think that's being a little loosey-goosey with your first round pick and I don't like that I'm not a fan of doing that personally like I don't get me wrong I will trade a dude like I'll trade my first for someone for sure like I'm not afraid to trade a first away

I did it yesterday we have I have trades from yesterday we can talk about and you can shit on me for if you want to pause we have Terry McLorn for Bo Nix that's Bo Nix for me by a lot. Bonix for me too.

Now, some might argue with the McLorn breakout. Hey, he got out targeted by Noah Brown. So I want to see how the offense is going to work now.

Terry McClearn's kind of getting propped up by touchdowns. I'm not going to lie. We'll be interesting to see deep shots and touchdowns. That's not a sustainable role. Gene Daniels also had like bottom

20 matchups the entire year pretty much. So we'll see what happened. You got a little harder for him versus the Ravens and they're an ass secondary. So we'll see, we'll see what happens for sure. this one to me, I think, is kind of funny from six days ago.

Patrick Mahomes are Bo Nix a first and a second. This is respectful. I know you have that Patrick Mahomes disrespect. I'm not trading Patrick Mahomes for Bo Nix. I'm not either. I'm actually not either. They could add four more first to that and I'll think of all. Well, let's not get crazy.

But I'm not doing this deal either. But the fact that this says more about how pissed off people are with Patrick Mahomes, I know I made that bit earlier we started talking about Bo Nix but just because I actually did have to play Bo Nix. I wasn't exactly thrilled about it but I was happy with the outcome. This is mad disrespectful

but to me it's just more of a signal about what people are saying about Pat at this point. We have a lot of stuff like we have Bo Nix tank Biggsby for Alvin Camara and a 25 third. This is again, this is similar to the Jacobs stuff. It depends what you need.

I'm taking a bonex, sir. Right. I'm not, I'm not taking Camara here in this situation. The Bigsby is like a nothing to me. Me too. So this is it. Here's one for you.

This will be the last one we do. I think I know your answer to this, but we're going to go from six days ago, two quarterback, 12 team, start 10 full PPR. T. Higgins and a 25 first. Anyone does know Buck is obsessed with T. Higgins. So T. Higgins in a 25 first

Or Jalen Tolbert, Bo Nix, and Jonathan Brooks. This is disrespectful. This is T. Higgins. Yeah, that's right. T. Higgins in a first? I thought I was getting Chase. Come on now. All right, that's Bo Nix.

To sum it up, I am encouraged with Bo Nix. I'm encouraged with some of the things. Marvin Mims is dead. He's fucking dead. Like, it's over. He's dead. but get them a little bit of this and a little bit of that to work with Sean Peyton did hand pick him and no quarterback that Sean

Peyton has coached has truly been woful that I can remember I think none of them has averaged under 16 or 17 points per game really so I'm I'm in I'm buying at some of these prices if I can move some dusty running backs or add on to an vet quarterback that's if somebody's not like sure of Knicks I'll add on to a vet quarterback. I'll ask a round. Some people do draft these guys just with the hope that they can move them. And I would be poking around to see if that's the case here.

What's your final thoughts on Mr. Nix? I agree with it. I agree. I think, like you said, if you could check the price on him, maybe you can get him for, I mean, it would work a little better if some of the old quarterbacks were scoring a little more. But maybe like a Kirk Cousins and a second type trade, if you have Kirk Cousins and you're bad. trades like that I'll look at.

I'm fine with some of the dusty runningbacks if you don't need them to get a QB. But I would just really hope that you're not in a situation where you need to save your team of Bo Nix. Right. You shouldn't need, you shouldn't be acquiring Bo Nix if you need Bo Nix. Does that make sense? Yeah. If you need a quarterback, Bo Nix is not the one.

But if you have the assets to acquire a quarterback that can get better and accrue value, then yeah, I'm with it. let's talk about some running backs. I feel like the receivers are going to take us the longest because we love wide receivers. Is there a running back that you want to discuss now? Yeah, we could just go ahead and talk about the Jacksonville back film. All right, let's do it. And talk about that.

So last week, E.N got hurt. He fumbled and then got hurt. Didn't play the rest of the game. Bigsby fumbles on a kickoff. They actually recover the kick. They recover the fumble. and he still gets out snapped by De Ernest Johnson, who was playing this, like, pass catching role for some reason,

35 to 17, and he doesn't play. And we thought the whole thing was he's going to, some people thought he was going to take over for ETIN. And especially if E.T.N was to get hurt. He's like the lead guy. He'll be the guy that didn't happen. They ran who they. We see sometimes, we see these, like, fat running back sometimes get put into

these past catching roles, like get put into these third down back rolls. Not because they can catch pass. It's just what it is. Like we saw Somaget P. Ryan be a third downback for years. And Deeris Johnson was like the next man up for their third down back role. So that's what they played even though he doesn't profile as that. It's just what teams do. They have, they just have backs play roles, if that makes sense. So they did that. And now I'm definitely worried about Biggsby and the fact that if ETN was to miss time, he's not going to be this

clear, this clear workhorse. He's not going to play third downs. And with ETN, I'm like, we've talked about ETN at Nazim at this point. I'm ready to buy him. I'm really interested. him. I think he's being disrespected across leagues, just in general. I think the dude can play. He's good. He's about to be done with his contract, and I just don't think Tank Bigsby is as big as a threat to him as people think, especially

because they didn't even trust Tank Biggsby to go be the guy in the game. They didn't have ETN. They didn't have ETIM for almost the whole game. I think I think Tank Bigsby is going to be one of those backs that is more annoying than he is relevant. I don't think he's a, I don't think he's

a bad player, but I don't think he's a necessarily great player. So let's look at some trades with Tank Bigsby that have happened recently, and you can tell me what you prefer. And then we'll look at Travis Etienne, and then we'll see who's actually the value. Like, we'll see who's actually afraid of E.T.N. And we'll be able to do it by comparing trades being made in real leagues for Biggsby, and real trades being made for ETN

because I think the discourse is lying. I think the Twitter discourse is lying and I have been a generational ETN hater. I thought his third round draft price. I went on multiple, I went on different podcasts all offseason trashing that dude's price. So we're going to actually see

because according to Dynasty Daddy, he is the third highest faller in terms of player percentage. But we'll actually see what is happening. All right, we got a 26 first. Remember, all 10 team, all start 10, 12 team, two quarterback, full PPR. Some of them are tied in premium, some of they're not. We'll take that into account when it matters.

26 first or Tank Biggsby a 262 and a 264. The first. Pretty easily, right? 25 second or Tank Biggsby and a 24? 5.4. The second. Yeah, pretty easily for me. And then we've got this one, a 26 second or Tank Bigsby?

The two. Any two for Biggsby for me. That's kind of how the vibe is looking. We've got Tank Biggs and Josh Downs or Isaiah Pacheco. Downs and Biggsby for Pichaco. I think Downs, I think he's the best player, so I'd have that side. I agree. I think Downs is the best player in that deal. And then we're going to go with Tank Biggsby a 253 or James Connor and Dalton Shultz.

The James Conner side, for sure. I want out on Connor. I think he's, this might be it. I'm not sure. I'd like to be out early. I think maybe tank. I think it'll be easier to get a second for tank than it is to get a second for Connor. Does that make sense?

I'd rather just write out the Connor production, though. He's going to be an RB1 for the rest of the season. I'd just rather just keep him. Is he? Yeah, he's, I mean, he's been really good this year. I'm going to go have a look. And Tray Benson hasn't really eaten. into any of the role. Tray Benson had like

one drive last week, had a 20-yard run, ended it with 5 for 25. Connor had a fumble, but Connor's been great this season. I'd keep him. I think he's going to... He has been 14, 18.3. Then he had the one four-point stinker versus Detroit. They're impossible to run on. Bad game. He still got four-pad.

You're right. All right. You're right. Yeah, I'll take the Conner's side. You're right. You're right. Look at that. And they say I can't change my mind. All right. We've got a 0.5 tight-end premium. All the other stuff is the same. Tuckercraft or Bigsby in a second. Craft. Agreed.

Okay, so we get the general feeling. I think this one is kind of hilarious. I mean, you might take the other side here, given the other player involved, but then I'll go back to the craft thing. Tank Biggsby or Kendra Miller in a third. That's disrespectful. My king, Kendra, I'm going to have to go with Tank Biggsby there.

Now the king has fallen. The mighty king has fallen. He'll be back next week, maybe. getting maybe and salin doesn't snap his leg so he can't uh getting back to the tucker craft tank bigs me it's quite clear to me that tank is still in that second round pick uh or uses a throw-in to upgrade period so that does kind of make him a buy for me because if we can get him for some of these a little bit lesser if his price is a little bit less like let's say he goes out against new England. They are the favorites, which is still crazy to me because Jacksonville like sucks,

sucks, but whatever. Maybe Drake May, if he's actually healthy to get his knee scanned or whatever. They go out and have a great game and now all of a sudden Jacksonville is down. If Tank can't get on the field and Dearnis Johnson is still on the field and pass down work if they get behind, he's a zero. Tank to me immediately becomes a zero. I mean, he just doesn't have that rule. But if his price does drop at all and he doesn't look like total garbage this week because maybe his role you know how the dynasty community works where we have a perceived role for someone and if that rule doesn't totally hit the community gives up on him uh because it's not what we it it wasn't their fan fiction with how they viewed a player then if he if he has some stuff that makes him look

not terrible if he's still a little bit palatable then we can buy for a little bit lesser price on this. I'm not buying at this price. Let's bring that back to ETN. Because he's still got the past game work, Travis ETN. That's the thing that makes him the most appealing. Even when you and I are going back and forth

and arguing about him, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, your whole thing was, well, he's still catching the passes. And so you and I did a startup together, and we ended up getting him in, I think, the eighth round. And the draft collectively went, oh, we got the, the Jags backup

goes off the fur and yeah some of that is jokes or whatever but there's a legitimate feeling even from the rb tier show that we did on dynasty points that they feel like there's a shift in this now et n has been hurt he's been banged up and he's got a hamstring problem he's had a shoulder problem for a couple of weeks like i think that's we're we're very much creatures of the present and that's important to note but let's look at some of these et n trades and actually discuss some of the stuff we have on him because I don't think he's actually really looked down upon. Amund Ross St. Brown or Xavier Worthy and Travis Etyn. That's a crazy one. From today. That's insane. That's easily a Monra there.

I agree there. We have got Madison, E.T.N, and a third, or Calvin Ridley and Justin Fields from today. That's a tough one with the field stuff. That's a tough one. I don't care about Calvin Ridley at all. I think he's a zero. I think it's just so it's ETN versus Fields. I want ETN. I want ETN as well. Even at Justin Fields' previous price,

like before the benching, I think I still kind of want ETN there. This one to me is crazy. You get ETN or in the first or Pollard Josh Jacobs in a second? The Pollard side? Pollard Jacobs. Okay, why is that for you?

Man, because I think it sucks because I hate doing trades like this. I hate adding a first to the running back. If you really need points, I think those dudes are going to help you get points the most. And I'm assuming, right? This is assuming. And who knows. If you're giving up that first for running backs, I'm assuming you're in first place, you're in second place.

You would like to think that, yeah. So I'm going to go with that thought process and assume that. And I would, I think I like that side. See, I think I want the 25 first and ETN side either way. Because Josh Jacobs needs a touchdown. Like he's proven that now in the game. that we've seen it. We know what the role is.

He's not catching as many passes as we would have liked because Jordan Love is just yeat bowling the football downfield to like five of the copy and paste wide receivers he has. And then Tony Pollard, I mean, that offense isn't great. He's looked okay. And then the second, I think this is the lowest ETN's value is going to be because if ETN comes back and like, let's say Press Taylor is finally gone and they're like, all right, we're going to use this workhorse that we have.

and he has some insulated value 10.5 million dollar option was picked up it's guaranteed. I don't think they're cutting them or moving him. So you got a little bit insulation and you're giving me the first. I think I'm just taking that. I think you get more buying power with that first than

any of the three options that you get on the other side. That first gives you immediate buying power. So I think this proves that you can still buy Travis Etyen but he's still more expensive than Tank Bigsby. This shift hasn't actually happened the way people are talking about it.

Like we have Travis E.T.N or 2.25 seconds. E.T.N. I think really, I think this last week plays a huge part into the market here. Because if had Bigsby gone out and actually got the role, maybe he, maybe it was because of the fumble. Like I said, they didn't even lose the fumble. But if he actually did get the role, this is probably completely flipped and people are, would have Bigsby up at like, RB 17 probably I bet so I think it's a wait-and-see approach I don't like I'm not a fan of Bigsby but I think I think this like last week is playing a huge role like we go week by week with this stuff even though it's a dynasty dynasty league two weeks ago Bigsby ripped off two

touchdowns for 100 yards he was the next dude he's top 20 running back next week he goes out gets out snap by Darren Johnson he's zero again and if he goes out this week and gets the role he'll be back to worth two seconds so I think it's like so we're just way way too week to week with some of this stuff as a as a market. Agreed. That's why I wanted to look at some of this. Like we have a Brian Thomas Jr. or Travis E.T.N. from today. That's insane. That's Mickey Mouse. This is this is what I'm saying though. I agree that it's Mickey Mouse. But this is what I'm saying though. Travis E.T.N. is apparently dead and this is what you can get for him. I'm just going to go trade Travis E.T.N. today. If this is the stuff that I can get. Josh Jacobs or Travis E. E. E. E. E.E.N. and a third. they're the same player give me the etienne and a third they're the same player like i don't know dude the idea that he's just dead now clearly is a lie these are all trades from dynasty daddy

dot com you can go and check us on this but this is just what it is so it's he's not actually dead this to me if the perception in your league is that he's dead go by go and buy Travis ETN. Go and send a couple of seconds because I'm telling you that value it's not going to stay that way. So we're buying. For sure. Let's talk tight end. And I think this one's quick. There's only one

tight end I want to talk about and it's Tucker Kraft. Tucker Kraft to me is a glaring buy. He had two insane weeks and then he had the down week this week. Go and buy. I want to buy this guy. This is exactly, this dude's already in the top tight end, top 10

tight ends for me in Dynasty. He's probably top eight because he's young. We've seen him be good. He's in a hell of an offense. Regardless of what you think about love, maybe love is actually just juiced up Will Levis. Maybe he does some Will Levis type shit. But he balls out.

Since he's been starting, he balls out. He's an absolutely insane player in that offense. As long as that guy, Matt Lafleur is calling plays. I want to buy him. I'm in. I'm fully in. This is a guy that can be a 12 point per game plus tight, tight end. And I'm smashing that.

Yeah, I disagree. I'm on the different end of the spectrum when it comes to Tucker Kraft, I think. I'm probably going to get killed for this. I think he's really similar to Cole Commet in the sense that he's going to have a lot of like three for 20s and he can have the blowup game. And you have to just take the go with the bad and he'll be, he's like in the eighth round of startups, but I don't know what you get. It's like when Cole Comette was there too at one point. And these guys need volume. When we see a tight. and we want them to be the second option on their team. He's not that. His two good games, his two good games, his first game, he got nine targets when Jordan Love went full Brett Farb through three picks to start the game, how to throw his way back and throw 60 times. They go after the game and they say that they didn't want him involved that much, literally said that. The second game, he goes five targets, four catches. He catches. He just

happens to catch two touchdowns. He only got five targets. One of the targets, two of the targets were screens. The touchdown, he's like, the touchdown was a screen at the goal line he took in. And then he goes back and then all that regression kind of goes, regressions to the mean last week and he does the five-laries. But he doesn't score. He's missing practice. And he's limited. Everybody's hurt in mind.

But everybody is hurt. That is true. Going back, I'm fine with him being Cole Commit, though. I'm actually fine with that. Did you know over the last three years, Cole Commit has not finished below Titan 8? But I don't want to pay for it. I didn't have to pay for Cole Commit. You're not really paying for it, though.

Eighth round in a startup is not really paying for it, in my opinion. In terms of a young, a 23-year-old tight end with size and athletic. It's 6-5-260. Good offense, like I said. Any of these wide receivers could be down on any given week, increasing his volume. I think he'll have more good than bad. I think you'll have more good than bad. Or we can get ahead and we can buy the next Tucker craft this week and we can buy J.T. Sanders.

and we should be buying him everywhere. Jatio M. Sanders, tight end from the Panthers. You're really in on this dude, hey? I am, yeah. I'm really interested in him. Really good prospect out of Texas. He played with all those receivers that got drafted, you know, on day two, the NFL, or not just day two.

Adonai was day two. Worthy was a first round pick. Running back was a second round pick. He produced. He fell in the draft lower than he should. Now he's starting to get that bump. He had seven targets last week, five catches, I think. Five targets a week of four.

to really play Tommy Trumbulls on IR. He's in an ambiguous situation similar to craft, right? Where I think if we look at who can be the second option on an offense, Sanders passed like a little clearer. He has to beat out. Deonti Johnson might get traded because he's 29 years old. They suck. They've talked about that.

And then Legette, who just hasn't really been able to earn targets so far. So I'm really in on Sanders. I didn't mean to take this podcast to him. He does have an up target share, like 14.3% in week five. and then 18.4% target share in week six. And we have seen Canales use as tight ends. I mean, Cameron Bray was an option in Tampa Bay when he was there.

So we've seen him use it. Yes, I'd rather pay for it. Like, I rather try to take the, like, find the next Tucker craft, then pay for Tucker Kraft. So I'm looking at that. Well, let's see what Tucker Craft costs you right now. And then we'll see if that holds true. These are all going to be tight end premium.

He's not even expensive, though, bro. Marshaun Lloyd, Eric, All, and Jermaine Burr. Burton or Russell Wilson and Tucker Kraft. He's not expensive probably in trades yet but as far as like the market is shifting and where he's Jesus Christ. Going in startups like people are

ranking this dude as like Dynasty Titan 4 7. He's starting to get there. He's 8 for me. Yeah. And I think 8's fine. If you have a favorite tight end if you're at tight end, if you finish this tight end 8 you're just disappointing anyway. Like if you don't have a top 5 tight end you're disappointed. Like let's be real.

That's what it is. But like I would rather have Kraft than Mark Andrews. Yeah, I think, obviously. Long term, yeah. I think Mark Andrews is going to bounce back. Like, we got him in the 16th round of a startup. That's laughably hilarious. Like, there's no point in which that isn't hilarious to me.

And I actually argued against it. I had to get slapped back into reality here. We would have got him sooner, but Buck already traded all our seconds and thirds in the stockups. We couldn't go and get him. But he is somewhat expensive. We got Tucker Crafter, Josh Downs. I'm just this is just sounds for me by about a lot I'm I'm all in on I'm getting uh Josh

downs vibes I do remember saying in the off season that you should trade JSN for Josh downs and a two and I was mocked relentlessly and uh I hate to tell you that if you did that yeah you would have missed out on one outlier game but the value right now is looking pretty damn good in terms of that deal we got Trey ben or Tucker Kraft. This is an interesting one. I want Benson. See, I want Kraft.

I don't want Benson. I don't think. I think if Connor goes down, Benson's not even a lock to get the role that we want them to have. They're going to trot demarcato out there and piss us all off. They've shown that they're going to do that.

So I'm actually legitimately concerned about the nut landing spot that I had proclaimed it to be with this team. I don't know, dude. I think I want Kraft in a tight end premium. I think I want Tucker Craft. I want Benson. I think we're kind of overreacting on Benson.

It was never a play for this year. We do this a lot. But we're players, where players get drafted somewhere and we know it's going to take time. And then it doesn't happen. It's like, oh, shit, what the fuck happened?

It's not about his role now, mostly. It's mostly that he's kind of look like ass. He's had one bad game. He's had one bad game on the ground. He had like 10 carries for 11 yards. In other games, he's been fine.

He broke a 20-yard run last week. He did fumble on that handoff, though, that they gave to Kyler. I just don't think he's looked. He had one game, three attempts, two attempts, nine attempts, five attempts. He's a backup. He's only worked his way onto the field, like a couple of times. And like you said, in the one game, it was 11 for 10. He's not done anything that makes me like, oh, I'm, I'm impressed by that.

A 3.57 yards per carry. He's caught two passes. He's not trusted in past pro. I don't know. In a tight end premium, where tight end values get inflated in a tight end premium, Tucker Kraft has a much easier path to being relevant than someone like Trey Benson.

Yeah, but the minute they don't resign James Connor, Benson just goes up. What if they do resign him? Because they got cap space and they like him as a veteran. They could. They could. And then he's a 30-year-old running back coming off of the season when he finally say,

healthy. So now I like okay, I get it, I get it. I just think I'd prefer in the tight end premium. I think I'll take because you're not getting craft for the 203, I don't think. So we'll, we'll see. We'll see. Let's talk about Jetavian Sanders, because I don't know if he's as cheap, cheap

as we'd like him to be Evan Ingram or Jetavian Sanders, a three and a four. This is also team dependent. I want Sanders if I'm not trying to win, I don't need points. Okay, Sanders and a second, a 25 second, or Justin Field? man this field stuff is tough i think that's tough man the field stuff is tough because i don't want to disrespect fields i don't know like i don't know like the fields thing we could even like talk about

that for a second i don't know what to think about him i he should have kept his job he didn't keep it like they they gave i don't know if he should have kept his job i think he had i think juston fields had the greatest point about him not keeping his job than anyone i've seen on the internet if i played better there wouldn't be a conversation and sure like that's a really cool thing to say like that that was like really good way to handle that way better than i would would have handled it but you're foreign i can imagine you handling it you're four no ball i'm out here and balling for life i'm holding this city up on my back fuck off smith exactly but he went four and two like it's just kind of playing in the background

this is kind of bullshit that they bench him because they guaranteed a starting job to this watch Russell Wilson who's not going to give them anything and just and that's just like way you like this is how you lose the locker room with stuff like that but that's the argument for a different day I hope fields gets another shot I hope he gets another shot with the sealers I hope he gets a second contract somewhere else I think I want standards in the two but I also can see myself just throwing out a second because I throw away seconds anyway and trying to buy fields and seeing what happens true you'd have to have seconds to throw them out though we've got this is this is where it becomes easy to acquire when you get somebody like this.

Rahim Moster or Jatavian Sanders in a fourth. Exactly. This is what I want to do. These are the trades that you do it. You want to throw like a dusty vet out there that saw as a name to get a player like Sanders before like the media, like the market kind of realized that's what we want to do. Right. These are smash deals for me to go out and get Sanders. Jalen Tolbert or Jotavian Sanders.

We've got Alexander Madison or Sanders in a third. like these are smash trades to me jk k davenzer sanders and a two is a little closer but these are some smash trades to me let's we're going to be done talking about the trades because we didn't want to do an hour we're going to end up doing an hour let's talk about receivers and this is more just of a general look at wide receiver to me this isn't like we're not going to tell you to go buy these guys these are all very hard assets to go and buy we're just kind of doing a market look and a check in on this tier of wide receiver. There's a player in here that I think should be in the Zay, JSN Flowers tier that you disagree with.

I think Josh Downs belongs in that tier right now, but you don't. Like I would prefer Downs over JSN. I've been pretty vocal about that. But let's talk about these wide receivers. We have one that we think is an absolute must sell, and everyone else is obviously a buy. But let's just talk about the receivers in general.

You can, I'll let you lead the way. Let's do it. Let's start off and talk about your boy, your Baltimore boy, Zay Flowers. Right. So he has had an interesting season. When they choose to use him like a wide receiver, we know he can do the wide receiver stuff. They're just a really good player.

Sometimes they don't need them. Sometimes they throw him in the back field, use him. They're just all run game. They'll throw him a couple screens. That's it. But for the season, he has a 32.2 first three target share, 27% of the air yards an 8 yard a dot which is is rough a 28% targets for outrun and a 2.2 yards per route run so he's been really really good and when he like when they need him

he's going to give you massive weeks we've seen like he's going to he had 10 11 catches last week I don't have the 7 so he was I was kind of leaving him for dead like after like the second week I'm like man like this is rough but he's back I think he's uh I think he's actually kind of still maybe a buy because I think people still kind of have a negative connotation on him. So I'm really interested in him and I know you just did a trade for him. So what do you think about him? I did. I just traded

Rome-Madunesay forum straight up. And that might scare some people but we're going to talk about Rome because we have to. But I'm not afraid. This is a guy that with a team that's 28th and pass rate over expectation. That's

not good. The first two weeks we thought there was going to be a shift. 5.5 against the Chiefs and a 1.8% in week two against the Raiders. In the two games they lost and they went, oh, fuck that. We're going to run the ball no matter what. And they've rattled off the wins that they have for straight, but they have a negative 4.5%. And normally that would be a death look for a wide receiver. Zay Flowers is ninth in the league in team target share, 26.6%.

And it's 24.4% in week one, 29.4% in week two, 26.7% in week three, a terrible week for 10.5%, then 28.6 and 34.6. I think what we have seen is a team that has notoriously run the ball and then thrown to one guy. They're running the ball and throwing to one guy, but that one guy is Zay. in week one, 10 targets, week 2, 11 targets. Then he had those back-to-back rough games versus Dallas and Buffalo, four targets and two. It wasn't just that he had four targets and two. It's how those targets were.

He had one catch for 10 yards. And in the game previously, that Dallas game, it was like screen pass, screen pass. That's it. Like, that's how he's used. He still does get the screens, which is annoying as hell. He does get screens and stuff below the line of screen. which is why I think his A-Dod is kind of not real, but

they used him, so this last week is obviously against Washington, they obviously have a terrible secondary, it is what it is. They went man-coverage a lot versus the Ravens, and they just ran Zay flowers on in-breaking routes, and Lamar just hit him over and over and over and over again. Every time they could line him up for a seven-yard in-rout, they're like, done.

If they keep using this dude like that, I am fine moving somebody like Rome. I don't know of Rome, becomes a guy that gets 10 targets on the bears per game. But aside from two games, he's averaging 10 targets a game. Zay Flowers, that's a phenomenal role. Now, the touchdown stuff is where it could be a problem. He's got one touchdown on the year.

So I think his upside might be capped because Lamar spreads it around in the end zone and they run the ball in the red zone. It just is what it is. On their last 14 red zone trips, though, fun fact, the Ravens have 13 touchdowns. The one that didn't end in a touchdown is the game-winning field goal. So pretty disgusting. efficient and Zayflower still only has one touchdown.

Touchdowns are a problem. It's different. Everyone says, well, the Hollywood Brown rule. Hollywood Brown was like weirdly optimized in the red zone. He was like the shortest number one target in the end zone at wide receiver I've ever seen. I don't know if Zay Flowers gets like the in the red in the end zone. Lamar Jackson has this thing with Rashad Bateman at the goal line.

Don't know what it is, but he just does. Like I'm sick of it personally. but I think he's a good player and I think I talk a lot of shit about him just simply because he's on the Ravens and he does piss me off a lot but he's a good player that's clearly

going to have up and down games but his upside is very strong. Yeah, huge games. 10 plus catch games. Yeah. Well, he doesn't have any of those but he has he has like,

he went nine for 132. That's probably going to be his best year, the best game. He got those nine catches in like 10 minutes it felt like last week. Yeah, it did. Yeah, it felt like they spammed them really good when they needed them. But yeah, 12 for 7, 111, and he rides, the problem is that he rides and dies with Lamar Jackson, who can sometimes just decide he's going to throw the ball 18 times.

So you have to equal that into the equation. On the team I traded Rome away, Roma's never seeing my starting lineup to begin with. Zayflowers are going to be my fourth and fifth wide receiver on that team. And that's disgusting. But I'm, I'm, I'm kind of okay with him as my wide receiver three. You just take, you just take the go with the bad. Just play them every week and take the go with the bad. And if your team is good enough, his down week should be masked by the rest of your team.

And his area yard share is looking pretty good. Like you said, 27%. The 32% first read and his overall target share. Like, yeah, the yards per outrun is bad. But I think that's because he's both their downfield receiver and their screen receiver. Like, they don't have, like most teams. have roles for those kind of guys. They just use him as they need him.

So maybe that's good or bad. But remember, he took a screen pass and he housed it. Not housed it, but he put 50 yards on the screen pass to open that game last week. He is tied for fourth in the league with five, 20 plus yard plays. Yeah. Well, they have one of the most explosive offenses in football for 20-yard plays. Like, they're absolutely humming right now. So, yeah, I'm going to bet on that offense staying good so long as Lamar is healthy.

So, yeah, and let's not forget. Josh Johnson is the backup. Even if Lamar goes down, Josh Johnson helped prop up Garrett Wilson. So I don't know. Maybe that never happens again, but I think there's a little bit of safety and the type of receiver he is.

So, yeah, I'm, I think I'm in. And I think he's, I think I want him over Jaden Reed. I think I do. Because Jaden Reed's efficiency is too insane for me. We're going to talk about Jaden Reed here, but what did you call him fake Jaden, Jaden, Samuel?

Oh, I forget. Jedibo. That's right. Jadibo Reed? All right, let's talk about him. So Jaden Reed's had an interesting season. We got to remember he did play at least two games with Malik Willis, who somehow Matt LaFleur made look like a confident starting quarterback.

He went, so Jaden Reed's season so far, his 18.9% target share, where 16.8% area yard share, 7.1A dot and a 24% targets per route run. So some of this metrics, like, they're obviously good they're not great he's sub 20% target share his area yard share is really bad that's because he's similar to say flowers and how they use them sometimes they use him in the well not sometimes a lot of times they use them behind the line of scrimmage and he gets a lot of those type of passes but my thing what jaden read is he's obviously really good he's

obviously a good player and he's had some monster games he has two games this season with over 130 yards and we've seen him do like he could do down the field wide receiver stuff he had that crazy catch the fuck at Jaden Reed down there somewhere on over three people. So he can do that type of stuff, but he just hasn't earned enough targets to me. He can't dominate the targets. We've seen like 18 versus 10 target share, obviously. We've seen Dantavion Wix come in. He got hurt last week early in the game and then he's out now.

But the two games, Dante Vos, got real run. He out targeted him. Last week, Jaden Reed went six catches for 28 yards. He did miss some time in the game. He got a, he hurt his ankle, so he missed some time of the game. but still, it's like a lot of games like that. So I'm worried about Reed in the sense that I think we're kind of overreacting of him being like a top 10 dynasty receiver, which I think is like where the market has.

But I rather, I think I still rather have him over his A Flowers because they throw more. They throw more. They're going to be chasing points. Sometimes we've seen that they'll let, they'll let Jordan Love throw 50 times. And the rest of the weapons on the offense for the Packers, none of them have really, done anything yet to where I think we still haven't seen the absolute ceiling for Reid that he could just end up dominating targets even though he hasn't done it yet he's in his second season right he's not even he's played 20 games uh we know christian watson's bad we know d'ontamin on wicks is a guy who

earns targets but doesn't catch any of them and he's hurt again so he's gonna have he should have a really good stretch and i think there's still like a lot of way up for read and some of it's kind of priced in but if it's not priced in i'm interesting because i think there's just a chance that he does like he's like third in the league in receiving yards yeah he's been good i i think yeah the efficiency thing is worrisome but how worrisome is it when the coach is just consistently getting it done for him like the flur is probably the second or third best play caller in football like honestly i think mcvay is number one like i still give it to sean and then maybe k o c in minnesota and then ben johnson obviously unreal having those

Pena Sewell Tats lateral passes, which, man, abolish these fucking referees. Like, I'm so sick of these dudes ruining every game, every fun play. I'm just, that Jets game was an embarrassment. It was embarrassing. Just throw the fucking ball down on, Ron,

stop playing around. Yeah, did you say how pissed he was after he scored his touchdown? And he was, like, mad. It's like, I'm always fucking open. I'm like, oh my God. He said, throw me. ball they on the same brown brother's podcast his brother was like i know you're pissed off you can

tell me i know you're my brother you were he's like no no i was he's like no come on yeah that's one thing you'll get with buck on these he he knows all about these special i would have no idea that even went on that podcast it's so funny uh he's he's he's uh tuned in if you would because i'm an old head uh compared to the two of us let's talk about the other wide receivers in that tier though let's let's fucking talk about JSN, bro. Like, we got to talk about him. This dude, man, he had the one game that had people coming up in my mentions after I posted your Applebee's joke, the two for 25.

Shout out to you for getting me all those clicks. And then they are all up in my mentions the next week because he got 12 catches on 16 targets and he had this crazy game. And he's pretty much gone exactly back to where he was. before that. I'm sick of this dude, man. Yeah, me too. He's still, he's pretty much like the same player as last year. He's still working out a low A-dot. He's on the field way more. I know they don't run a lot of two-ir-d-cedar, like they're running a lot of three-ir-d-sueber, but he's playing like 90% of the snaps. He still can't dominate targets from Tyler Lockett. And he's just,

and he gets like all his catches in two minutes too. If you really watch the game, like all his catches come in two minutes at the end of the game almost like three he'll catch six passes and three of them are in the last drive right like so he had five catches last week there are almost exclusively all in prevent situations end of the game slash two minute he had a couple of red zone targets like he's getting more targets like he did have a 12 target game a couple of weeks ago against detroit he had eight receptions guess how many yards he had if you don't know off the top of your head on eight receptions like 53 51 he had 51 so he has one points on 12 on 12 targets he has one game and 23 career games with 70 yards over 70 yards

right and how many like I'd be amazed to find out how many of them he had at over 15 points even 14 points this season he has one game one game over 13.1 ppr points and it was the blowup game. So even on eight receptions for 51, his upsides 13 points. I'm sorry, like, I'm sorry, dude. Like, I can't. He's expensive, Wando. He is, yes, he's very

expensive, Wondale. Seven targets, four receptions for 31 yards, but this dude had a touchdown. 13.1 points. And then last week, nine targets, five receptions, 10.3 points. We just know what his role is. And

yes, 16 targets, 12 receptions, that's a crazy upside. This dude still managed to only have 117 yards on 12 receptions. This dude still managed to do that. And that has to, look, JSN looks, when he gets the ball in his hand, he looks like a good receiver, except for when he fumbles.

That's not great. Definitely not great. But if he got points per fake out the defense on the Gino run, that would be cool. Yeah, that was a smart play by him. That's the type of stuff I like watching. because that was just a good wide receiver play. But look at Josh Downs the last three weeks, dude.

Nine targets, 12 targets, nine. Eight catches, nine and seven, two touchdowns, 22 points, 16 points, well, 15.9. And then 19 and a half points, dude. Like, get him competent quarter. Let's not go out there and pretend that Joe Flacco looked good in these games. Get them just above average quarterback play. And Josh Downs can do what JSN does.

and he's cheaper. I agree with that. The Josh Downes stuff is just his quarterback, presumably his quarterback of the future, completes nine passes a game. And four of them are spinning 360, 50-yard bombs to Alec Pierce. And the other ones, he are sailing over his head. So that's what my, like, because Josh Downes is like a volume receiver.

He needs to be a volume receiver. It's not like he's getting a bunch of yards either, right? He's a, I don't know if this is super comp. He's like a Julian Edelman type receiver. That's how he plays, right? Yeah. So he needs volume to get there. Maybe he could play.

What's that? Going back to JSN, not to cut you off, but going back to JSCN, what I just saw. The Seahawks are number one and pass rate over expectation. If their volume drops, JSN's production drops farther. That's scary. That's scary shit. Yeah, he's a cell, which if you can. You can.

Like, if we were to look up trades right now, even though I, closed Dynasty Daddy. We're going to keep talking while I look up Dynasty Daddy because I wasn't totally expecting to bring it back up again, but I should have been. That's on me. He is expensive. He's expensive as hell. But at the same time, he's also a player

that I couldn't trade away. I couldn't trade him away. Let's go Jackson Mithin Jigba and let's search and under the same formats. He's basically, there's almost no Oh, okay, never mind. This is pretty. Sam Howell and a one for JSN.

All right. I'm buying JSN for that. JISN. You're selling for a straight one? I would take any first from me. Okay, I'm not. Any first is kind of crazy to me. JSN or Chuba Hubbard at 26 and 2.26 seconds.

JSN for Chuba. I'm taking the Chuba. Suicide. Really? See, even I'm taking JSN there because I think these PPR spam wide receivers are, they're still pretty valuable. But like anyone, I think I'm okay with. 251 or JSN.

The one. Yeah, you're just taking the one here. I mean, Roman Wilson and Vidal, this isn't a real trade. I'm not going to mention that one. That's not even a real trade. Like, yeah, it happened in real life, but that's not a real fucking trade.

Tyreek Hill or JSN, that's insane. The fact that you can still get that. I want Tyreek. I want Rique. I'm going to go, I'm going to go send that right now. JSN for Tyreek? Yeah, I'm going to send that. Is this somehow to me?

Like, is this like some sort of inside joke where it's somehow to me? They're going to be like, counter my trade? Oh, never mind. I just like, who asked Tyreek. Yep, let's go on to the next. Is it Ryan? It's Ryan, isn't it? No, it's someone else.

I'm going to say, yeah, no shot. Yeah, so I think what we're seeing with these trades is that, It's still an up and down market for JSN. Someone who loves him is going to want them. And someone who doesn't is, yeah, going to want to get rid of them. So I'm just in general, I'm worried about the pass rate, over expected, really giving him his floor. And his upside is, I don't know, not likely to be seen again. Like that 16 target 12 catch game.

I don't know. I don't think we see that again. D.K. is clearly their guy. D.K. Put the headset on. Talk to Waldron. Can we throw it down the fucking sticks? I'm like,

who gets to put a headset on and talk and cuts out their offensive coordinator? I mean, but also, DK, start catching some passes maybe and then you can be allowed to get angry. Yeah, three catches on 11 targets. Yeah, let's stop dropping some passes.

But let's talk about one player who's a clear sell to us and then we'll get out here. It's already an hour. We said we're not going to go long. Let's be real. You and I talking. It's going to go longer than an hour. But let's talk the biggest sell we have is Jalen Polk.

Yeah, this is upsetting to me because I like Jalen Polk. I was really interested in him. I thought he can be. We are really good. We did. And I was interested in him. I was buying him. I bought him from you.

I tried to buy him again. I was afraid of getting fleeced again. He, I thought he'd be like a move the sticks like chain movie receiver. Like I thought he would be like a Wondell type receiver. Like I thought he would be like a Wondell type receiver. Like I thought he would be like a Wondell type receiver. I thought he would be getting six for 60s.

He's not that type of receiver at all. He's like a fake like Josh Reynolds type receiver. And he's been so bad. So he was obviously the third wide receiver on Washington, Washington Huskies. They had Rome, Jalen McMillan and him. And he had under two point yards per route, two point zero yards for outrun in college,

which is really bad. If you look at the dudes from 2018 that been drafted in the top two rounds that have under two yards for route run, yards for outrun. The only good one is like, it's like DK and every bus from the last five years. Holy shit. It really is. It's like D.K. And then this year from this class, like Keon Coleman, Jalen Polk, all those type of guys. And then before, it's like LeQuann Treadroll. Like every first round receiver that sucks, first and second round receiver that sucks besides DK is on that list. So he already had a really chalky profile. But now he goes out. And I know he's done really well in certain separation

and metrics. He's been really good in them. But his actual numbers are so bad. So he has 0.54 yards per run. And that is pathetic. It's really, really bad. It's 74th of 70. It's 74th of the 75 qualified R2ndi series yards per route run. He's dead last damn near. And he's a 12.1 yard a 8. A 26% air yard share and a 16% first read. He lost snaps last week to Kishon Boutet. Booty. I'm calling him Butte. I'm not calling a grown-man booty. So he last snaps to Kachang Butte.

And he said I'm not calling a grown-man booty. But he went out there his first game of Drake May and had one catch for four yards. And that was the whole, that was like the hold-out hope. Like you're holding out hope for when Drake May takes over, we'll see like we'll see this dude really take off or one of these take off and it was pop douglas right he's the wider sort of one there he profiles really similar to josh downs that was drake may's preferred target at unc uh drake may has already said a bunch of stuff about pop douglas like how good he is like they're they're gonna be having breakfast together soon so polk is pretty dead at this point i think

he still has a little bit of name maybe you can re-roll for a second take any second for him maybe add a second to him to get something. I just think, and this could look wrong, right? Like, he does, he does good in certain, uh, certain separation metrics for sure,

like I said. But I think you should panic self for anything because it looks like he's going to face. So we've got 27 second or Polk. 27 second isn't a real thing, but I'm taking the second. It's not a real thing. That's the type of trade I would make. If someone's not willing to give me a recent second,

I'll just reach for that 27 second because it'll be valuable eventually. but from today Jalen Polk or Evan Ingram Oh, Ingram Jalen Polk or Amari Cooper from yesterday Cooper yeah these are the trades that I think you can realistically do And these are trades that I want to do Darnel Muni in a fourth or Polk Now that one's

I kind of just would rather Polk I think Maybe he can be something Keenan Allen and a 25 third or Jalen Polk Maybe the Keenan Allen side is second of the third Yeah agreed Terry McLaren or Polk in a second Oh, McLaren, for sure. I was actually going to randomly say that trade.

I think you could do trades like that. I think you can add a second to Polk, get McLaren. I think you might be able to get like Michael Pittman and a Polk deal. Yeah, Michael Pittman is shot so far down people's minds that it might be possible. We've got Jalen Polk in a 261 or Travis Etyn and a 273. Man, I don't know if I liked that one. I think I want the 27 first side. 26 first.

I think he's 27. I think I went the 26 first. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, that kind of, Dallas Goddert and a 253rd, this is from five days ago. Dallas Goddard and a 253rd of Jalen Polk and Ty Chandler.

The Godderson. Agreed. And a tight end premium? Well, 100%. Nope. What that does is it shows you multiple spectrums of how you can and can't use Polk in a trade, which is something that we are going to do on this show.

Because I don't think it gives you guys any bit of value to just say go trade. this guy away for a second because maybe that's not actually what you're able to get it to. Hopefully the Bigsby and ETN conversation really lay that out for you guys and it really shows the difference in how people are actually valuing real players and real markets that are actually out there. But that's going to do it. This is the first episode coming back for Market Report.

You guys have asked for it. We haven't had time. We've got our own podcast channel. that's where this one is going to go. So weekly, Buck and I were going to be in here. And as often as we can, Buck and I are also going to be hosting Discord stages where you guys can just pop in and ask us questions.

Maybe whenever we're doing just our own rosters, right? Because sometimes we just sit in a Discord chat and just send out multiple trades in our leagues. Could be fun to go and do that live with you guys as we're talking through our own leagues and asking questions. So we're going to have a lot of different stuff for you guys to do, a lot of different front stuff. But that's going to do it for this show.

So for Andy Buckler, I'm Thomas Tybal. This is a market report. And we will see you guys next week.