Fantasy Football Daily - Dynasty Points: Market Report - Roster Reflections

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

Tom, Andy, and Tomlie sit down and take a deep look into a mirror and try to decide what the future of your roster may hold and what to do after the fact. On the way, we go through what it would ta...ke to pry away picks 1 through 6 in the rookie drafts using real-life trades. We learn some Aussie Slang and as always a few fun facts. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ahead of what is going to be an absolutely insane Super Bowl Dynasty Points Market Report the February 8th edition is here for you all insane program
Starting point is 00:00:26 so much to cover we promise it won't be an hour and a half we heard you we're gonna we're gonna bring it down we were just excited last time of course I am your host with the most time on his hands I am Thomas Simple, you can find me everywhere on social media at El Nostra, Thomas.
Starting point is 00:00:47 And I got to tell you my fun fact today, it's an elite one. There is one fullback in NFL history that has more receptions than Marshall Falk in his career and is somehow not in the Hall of Fame. That is legend. Larry Centres. And I am Tom Lee. You can find me an ex at Tom underscore Lee, 192. And like last week, I thought I'd bring us another outdated law from the world of Australia. This week, did you know it's an offense to possess more than 50 kilos of potatoes in Western Australia?
Starting point is 00:01:22 What? Hating. Not consume, possess. And I am Andy Buckler. You can find me on Twitter at Andy underscore Buckler. And my fun fact for today is, you know, there's only one mammal that is capable of flying, and that is a bat. Oh, my God. He's bringing the, we got, we got laws, we got nature, and we got some football fact for you.
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Starting point is 00:02:46 We are again taking it back to how we used to do things. Real simple here. This is not a new show. We covered a little bit of coaches and stuff last week, and you know what? We ended up rambling on. Not doing that again. We're cutting into it with the nitty and gritty.
Starting point is 00:03:04 So speaking of that, Tom Lee, what do we have set up for the people in this first segment here. So last week it was Smokho, we were fanging for Maccas and we went on the Macas round this week. We're down at the pub and we're having a pot and a parmi. It's a simple lunchtime affair, a lot of look at the dynasty landscape. And this
Starting point is 00:03:20 week's topic is how do we assess a roster's potential heading into the next season? Do you push? Do you tear down? Or what the hell do I do with this roster? It's so important and we've gotten a lot of questions about this in the fantasy points Discord, which is where you will find myself most of the time. And
Starting point is 00:03:38 When the guys get their time, they hop in there as well. So if you have questions and you want them covered on the show, you can tag any of us in that Discord. We take note of it. We write it down. This is an important question at this point. Roster construction at this time of the year is important. How do you know if you're a tweener?
Starting point is 00:04:02 And it's important to note. Some people think that if they finished six, they're like a player away. realistically you're probably not because you can be you can be in fourth and third place and lose to Brashad Paraman in the finals which happened to a lot of people in
Starting point is 00:04:21 2019 you can be as prepared as you want to now there's arguments between do you have a trade deadline do you not have a trade deadline we're not here for that that will be an entire series that I might conduct short interviews with different guests for different appearances and just wrap it into one episode.
Starting point is 00:04:40 But we're not here for that. But it's important to target certain players that will kind of let you know where you stand. Obviously, if you finish in the bottom four, you kind of have an idea. But Andy, what are you looking at first? When you're looking at a roster in a vacuum, how do you start to assess and take an honest to God look in the mirror
Starting point is 00:05:03 and go, this team sucks and what I have to do? or my team is goaded and I'm running it back next year. What are the less obvious ones for you? Well, first off, I want to look at the rest of the league. Like, I want to look at the rest of the league and see where they stand, see what their teams are looking like, see if maybe like a fake good team won the championship. Or if there is two good, like two teams that are really above, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:27 if you're in like year four or five of a dynasty league, that's when the league could kind of get a little on balance. That's when there would be like three teams that are really, really in it and there's a bunch of ass teams. So you'll kind of know where you stand with that. But I will say with the question, like kind of get out, like not fully off topic, but the tearing it down part, I think the tearing it down part is probably the most overrated. Because it seems like a lot of people want to just burn buy-ins for no reason. Like you might win a championship and you have a bunch of old players and you just want to win and then burn it burn the team down.
Starting point is 00:06:00 That's dumb to me. And I think that's something that people do kind of way too often. And I know that NFL seasons are really different, right? There's a lot of variance every year and the landscape changes drastically every year. But if you're number one in points by a lot, you went like 13 and 1 and you have like Devante Adams, Stefani, you have all these old players. The odds are your team is still really damn good. You don't need to go sell those players and just burn a buy-in for no reason. If you're that dominant the year before, just stick to it and like see how many you could win.
Starting point is 00:06:29 And like I think tearing it down is probably the most overrated thing in Dynasty, especially when. right after you win. It's kind of the dumbest thing to me. I know I didn't really answer the question, but that's how I feel about that part. What do you think, Tom Lee? I think it's an important part. I like what you're saying,
Starting point is 00:06:44 which is look outside of your own team. And you're right. Tearing it down, I think, is overrated because I think people aren't very good at tearing their team down or they don't know what it truly means. My favorite thing to do in every league is to say I'm tearing it down
Starting point is 00:06:55 as soon as the offseason starts because all it's going to do is drive up interest in your roster and then make it more bioavailable as to what's out there. So bring the people to you, rather than having to go filing through and looking for the gold and the nitty-gritty. How do you assess it? For me, it's always look within first and then go to the rest of it.
Starting point is 00:07:14 Where did you expect yourself to finish? And did you finish there? Don't worry about building the narrative about where it should have got to. What did you expect from this roster? And if you didn't know, ask yourself that question this offseason. Because you should. You should be thinking, what is this capable of? And then frame it via what's in the league.
Starting point is 00:07:29 So you're right. If there is a team who knows what they're doing and are rebuilding, and you look outside and like, this is a huge train truck coming through that's going to wipe out everyone. Maybe it's not good to stand in the way of that and hope that Brashad Perriman is going to carry across the line. Now, it may happen down the line, but don't go in with that plan. That sounds terrible.
Starting point is 00:07:49 So have foresight, have a look around. But honestly, assess your roster. If you finished bottom four, were you trying to finish bottom four? If so, you were unluckly finished in the bottom four. You should have finished bottom two. Because with a plan, you should be executing that plan. Yeah, getting a late start and selling off can just absolutely nuke your off season before it even starts. I think both of you have aspects that I appreciate in this, but I disagree with a lot of it.
Starting point is 00:08:16 I think that tearing down is not the stupidest thing you can do. Just for, as a reference, in our league of record, or sorry, in our home league here, same guy won at three years in a row. Shout out Lindsay. he absolutely sold off every single piece he had that was over like 28 27 28 he got rid of it even some younger and he just accumulated nine first round picks over the next two years and still kept a handful of key building blocks like and he's rb one james cook uh he got in a in a deal for rb too it was henry and what you know something like i can't quite remember how he got it but he still has enough young talent. I think Tom Lee, like you said, how you don't like to do it. I think you were right in the
Starting point is 00:09:05 sense that people don't really know what it means. Yeah. I think there's a fear to it, right? Yeah. And there's also a ceiling to tearing it down. You can only tear it down so far until you are now selling players off at a detriment. Yeah, for the sake of selling it off. You need core elements to appropriately go into a rebuild. Also, I will say, the only time you should be truly considering a rebuild is if you have so poorly managed the team trying to week by week add enough to just make it to the next week. If you have done that and you have so poorly gotten to that point in your roster where you have minimal first round picks, minimal second round picks, maybe a handful here and there, maybe they're all late because you made trades, you have a bunch of Amari Cooper's, Cooper Cups, Derek Henry's, but in your starting roster you had a bunch of Josh Palmer's, right? Noah Brown's leading you the way.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Bo Melton helped you down the stretch. That is a gross mismanagement of your assets. Yeah. That should have been recognized a long time ago. And you've missed your opportunity to fully tear it down. So that's one of the first things that I'm looking for is how much. much of your roster is being taken up by a couple of key factors. We'll start with number one.
Starting point is 00:10:37 How many of your guys are dependent on them needing a contract right now or their dead assets? Yes. How many of your guys are at the end of their first year contract and you're not too sure if their team is going to resign them? That's a very big difference. There's a difference between Derek Henry needing a contract there. and a difference between T. Higgins either getting franchise tagged or getting a long-term deal anywhere
Starting point is 00:11:06 because those two things completely changes dynasty value in my opinion and then the last thing what are your anchors because I have teams Andy in a league that we are in I have been rebuilding for two years
Starting point is 00:11:22 because I made very bad decisions I have gone the opposite I do not have elite wide receivers I have all three elite running backs. I've drafted Gibbs, Bejohn, and I made a trade for Hall. I drafted Stroud. There's my base.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Right? And I, you know, almost traded away Jordan Love, but, you know, managed to hold on to him. So I have a base now. Now, my rebuild, I'm finally ready to push some pieces in and really contend next year after accumulating two or three more higher picks where I don't have to start Tyler Conklin. at tight end anymore, as I've been doing for two years.
Starting point is 00:12:01 What's wrong with starting Tyler Conklin? Because I can have Brock Bowers, and I was much forever have that. Although we did get robbed. We did get robbed of top 12 Conklin with Aaron Rogers not being around. Because you can't tell me Conc Daddy wasn't going to go nuclear with A-Rod. But those are the three things. Yeah. Okay?
Starting point is 00:12:20 That I look at specifically before I tear down. And I definitely try to assess whether or not how far I can tear down before it becomes a detriment. I think you're right. I think if done poorly, like to Andy's point, you can find yourself in a really bad spot. So it really is about the execution of it. And I think that's really what I'm like,
Starting point is 00:12:38 what my poem would be is it's not necessarily when do I tear down. It's how do I tear down? And if I'm going to do it with this particular roster, like Tom says, how far can I get into it and where can I take it? Yeah, I guess it's not always like don't tear down. It's just knowing, like you said, knowing how to do it, right?
Starting point is 00:12:55 You could tank and still have players. You don't want a Bugatti meme your team. like the meme with the Bugatti in the trap house just for no reason having one player because all you're doing all you're doing is setting your team back further and further and you're just not going to be able to win like you sell everything for a bunch of seconds you have no players like there was people this year in leagues in league i'm in where he scored 400 points this year on the season he scored 400 points he had no players okay now you have Caleb Williams okay cool may have a quarterback you have nothing else your team's ass and you're not going to be able to win for at least three more seasons just pushing back for no reason. So yes, tearing down makes sense. But when you're coming off the championship, unless it's super fluky, you should know that. There's just no reason to do it and not and do it so drastically. You can get the 101 and still have players. And you need to look at it like that. And don't just like, don't, same way you can over contend, don't over tank.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Ooh, I like that. Over contend. Don't over tank. I like that. Nice. And like you said about the 101, that's going to roll this into the next bit. And I'm going to explain that in just a minute. When we come back, I'm going to have Tom Lee, give us the rundown again. And I'm going to hop directly into finishing that thought I had exactly what Andy said about the 101. So sit tight five seconds. We'll be right back.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Okay, Tom Lee, what do the people get to look forward to in this next segment here? It's time for hard yacker. Hard yacker. Yeah, so pick or treat. The brief for this section today is that Tom and Andy both have three rookie picks each, and these range between the 101 to the 106 because it's that time of the year when everyone wants rookie picks knowing they're going to increase in value. But what do we do with them?
Starting point is 00:14:47 Do we move them now? Do we let them accumulate value? Is there an opportunity to buy or use them to acquire picks or players that help support us and set us up for the future? That's what the brief today is. So my job has been to put some trades together to try and try and, either get these picks out from these lads or tempt them enough to try and suggest maybe they want the player over the pick. right and because we are thorough on this show we did not just do this in a vacuum and i have not looked at these i don't know if andy did already i knew not to scroll down because i didn't want to ruin it
Starting point is 00:15:22 uh so i've not seen these trades sans one that we talked about which is kind of going to lead into a big part of the discussion asked in the discord but before we even get into that i just want to talk about that statement on 101 where your team is so bad congratulations you got Caleb Williams, but he's not going to be on your roster in a couple of years because you're going to need even more draft picks. And I like that point specifically. It gets to a point where your team is so bad, you should not even make the pick for 101. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:55 So before we get into trading that 101, there comes a point in time where you can tear down so far where holding Justin Jefferson now is working against you. And you should absolutely trade. Justin Jefferson in a rebuild if you're that far down. If you are a natural 101, your team is so down bad that anchor piece that you think is going to set your roster up is probably just not going to because you need so much help elsewhere,
Starting point is 00:16:30 you should be trading that highest elite assets for more bullets to put back in the chamber. And you continue that process until you have. have built a solid roster. So with that being said, Tom Lee convince me and convince Andy somehow that I should let the 101 be taken from my cold dead fingers. So this is the interesting thing. So when you're pulling trades for picks in the off season, it's particularly hard to find naturally occurring picks because the guys who are in that position,
Starting point is 00:17:08 like you say, finishing last. If it's naturally, naturally occurring where you have truly a poor roster, most of them are holding that pick not knowing what to do. So what I want to do first is dive into what are the types of assets and how many assets are you trying to divide that pick for if you have it? Because there were none to pull from that give perfect examples. They were all players looking to change their fortunes heading to next year, but no natural one-on-one's occurred.
Starting point is 00:17:32 So what are your thoughts, Tom? Do you go for two young picks? like at the end of the day, the person acquiring 101 is only going to get one player, right? We know this. So it's very hard to justify saying, give me two of your best young assets for another young asset coming in.
Starting point is 00:17:48 I think that's part of the problem when trying to trade away 101. It's one of the hardest things for sure. Realistically, like you said, what are you going to net? Because in a vacuum, it is easy to say, yeah, I'll go to 101.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I'll just trade back to 103 and I'll add a second. What if 103 goes, no, I'm good. What if 104 goes, I'm good. 105? I like where I'm at. 106, I don't want to pay that much to move up. You're screwed now. Now you're taking 107, 108, 109,
Starting point is 00:18:20 which is an absolute dog ringer of opportunity. We don't know what those picks are going to do. You could get Kishon Vaughn. You could get Jalen Rager, right? Or you can get lucky and get a Justin Jefferson. Because remember, Justin Jefferson's ADP was 111 in his rookie year. It does not happen all the time. I can tell you that much.
Starting point is 00:18:41 So it is tough. I can tell you that if I have the 101, I am not letting it slip out of my fingers. If it is not for any of these players, I can tell you exactly the players I would trade this 101 for. Yeah. And you'd end up having to trade a plus for this. so obvious ones
Starting point is 00:19:04 Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes CJ Stroud Jalen Hertz Lamar Jackson Justin Jefferson Joe Burrow Justin Herbert Jamar Chase End list Yeah I might add CD Lamb in there
Starting point is 00:19:17 I might But I think he was good I don't know if he's Justin Jefferson And Jamar Chase good Sue me Cowboys fans Now those are the players that I'm willing to add a little bit to my 101 to go and get it. Now you might think that sounds crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Superflex ADP provided by a diko in the Bulletproof Discord, a recent update, shows the 101 going at Pick 112. You are holding a round one dynasty asset as of now. I don't think any of those trades necessarily make a lot of sense for somebody who is a natural 101.
Starting point is 00:19:52 However, there is an opportunity to still net an upper-tier quarterback, if not elite, you go send that 101 to a Kyler Murray owner who was middle of the pack because they were waiting for Kyler Murray to come off IR. Maybe they want to move off them for a more guaranteed asset. I will go and take a shot at a
Starting point is 00:20:15 Kyler Murray, Devontas Smith type trade. I would go and take a Kyler Murray and Zay Flowers or T. Higgins type trade in the fifth because you're getting a two and a five in a startup pick for that round one asset. and if we're being honest, Caleb Williams, though great,
Starting point is 00:20:36 has no guarantees at quarterback because there's only one entity that can scout quarterbacks correctly and it is God herself. The rest of us are guessing. And most of the time don't know what we're talking about. So you can go and get a secured asset. And I'm saying,
Starting point is 00:20:53 I know you're going to be like, that's right. Wouldn't happen in my link, Tom. That's not for you. Okay? If you hear something and you're like, that wouldn't happen to my league. It's because that wasn't for you then.
Starting point is 00:21:04 You're special. Your league is special and you're all better players than the average person. So congratulations. You're dope as shit. But there are opportunities out there in the void to go and get Azay Flowers and T. Higgins
Starting point is 00:21:18 and then add a mid-round two type quarterback, Trevor Lawrence, who's on the down swing in his value being drafted. His QB 11 now. Kyler has finally passed him. Go and get Trevor Lawrence. Go and get Justin Fields for 101. Interesting enough how they're linked in real life.
Starting point is 00:21:33 But you can trade down from 101, go grab Justin Fields, and go and grab Rishi Rice. Go and get a... Because you need to take those chances. You have to. So if you can get a Kyler Murray, you Trevor Lawrence, and Justin Fields, hell, a Brock Purdy with 101,
Starting point is 00:21:50 and then get one more asset, two more assets for your DJ Moors, your T. Higgins, your Zay, flowers, I mean, dare I say, J-SEN? And then add on top of that a 110 as well, because again, you're getting a two or a three startup pick,
Starting point is 00:22:09 a four or a five startup pick on top of that with an eight and nine startup pick, right, or a seven and an eight. You're stacking assets that can become valuable. The problem is if you draft your Caleb Williams, maybe
Starting point is 00:22:26 you don't get to trade them for three first like you want. to. Yeah. So you can get that value in the aggregate, no matter how many, you guys can't see it, but Andy's face every time I was mentioning, like, Brock Purdy and Justin Fields. You couldn't see his face, but I'm going to have the recording. But those are, those are, you know, for the most part, what I feel, very realistic trades for an asset like this, especially when you break it down into what startup values are.
Starting point is 00:22:56 So that's probably a long-winded answer to your question. but for as much depth as I could give it, those are kind of the moves I'm trying to make to move off of it because it opens up laneways for you. The team goes from a natural 101 really quick to there's some life. Yeah. And what I would do with that is I would then take that to Andy and say, well, let's think non-linearly, right?
Starting point is 00:23:20 We're not just talking picks for players. What if we did take that 101? We traded it for Justin Jefferson, who is worth multiple pieces. could you then on sell and trade that piece for something more enticing? Because really what we're trying to do is open up trade partners. Not many people want the 101, but the one who does may be willing to give up a big asset, but nothing more for it.
Starting point is 00:23:39 So we take 101, we get a big asset. Now we're appealing to the rest of the field. We're playing within the league. This is the whole point of dynasty. How do we open up avenues? So now you've traded for Justin Jefferson. You can go and break it down for looking for more pieces. Andy, is that something you've tried and you would enjoy trying to do with the 101?
Starting point is 00:23:54 Is that a nonlinear way that you could approach it? Well, I'm going to be honest, I haven't had a lot of 101s because... I'm a good. I'm Andy Buckler. I have fake championship teams. All right. Get you a ring. Get you a ring and then we'll talk. But I haven't had a lot of one at a once. But if I did, I think that does, I think that does make sense, you know, get you, like you said, there might be one or two teams in the whole league that wants the 101,
Starting point is 00:24:29 the one's Caleb, or maybe they don't even want Caleb. They might want Marvin. But if you get Justin Jefferson, 11 other people in the league won Justin Jefferson. So you can definitely make something shake that way for sure. I will say, though, back on the 101, I did see the 101 get traded one time in one of my leagues this offseason.
Starting point is 00:24:46 It got traded one time. It was with the 108 to get Patrick Holmes. So it is a possible trade. There is a real league, a real money league that happened. I did see that. So it is possible. possibility to get a trade like that done. There's hope for us out there. Tom, what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:25:00 Well, you know, he brings up a great point about gold and championship gold. And I didn't want to distract the people with too much of the shine off of all of my championship gold. But since Andy told me to go get some rings, here's one. And then obviously some championship belts. So I thought the Canadians were a humble people. Isn't this? We lied. Yep.
Starting point is 00:25:27 Nope. It's a lie. Mickey Mouse. The Geneva Convention was invented because of Canada. So they lied to you, your whole life. Where was that in the fun fact part? Don't, don't talk to that shit because I've got to receive the baby. Anyway, I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Yeah. I actually do agree with what you're saying there, Andy. So, good. Joke aside. I agree. So with that being said, let's try to get some of these trades done. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:59 So what we did find was 101 for some assets. So what we've got is I'll try to frame each trade with the position that the team is in very briefly. Don't ask me questions about them because I don't have the raw support up in front of me. I'd be making stuff out of my ass. So what we have is the 101 in a top, so a top three team last year has acquired the 101 a year ago and now wants a top end piece to push for the ship next year. Would you take Amon Ross and Brown and Dalton, Schultz for the 101, Andy?
Starting point is 00:26:29 No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't because Dalton Schultz is a zero to me. That's kind of like a fake overpay type piece in that trade. You're trading it. It's pretty much just 101 for Amon Ra, which he goes after Caleb Williams in a startup. So you're losing value on that trade. And maybe someone likes Dalton Schultz more than me or something, but he's not a real piece.
Starting point is 00:26:49 He's just a fake piece to like he's fluffing a trade. So I wouldn't take that. I would. What would you counter with? if that was the case. Because Armandras pretty close to that value of like a piece who would push a roster up higher. So what sort of piece are you looking for instead of a shorts? Because if you like the structure, what are you countering with?
Starting point is 00:27:05 A decent receiver. Maybe like a step up from like a Hollywood type receiver, maybe a second. All right. Okay. Tom? A step up from a Hollywood type receiver. Hollywood Brown going is wide receiver 41, which is egregious. You're going to give me Hollywood Brown wide receiver 41 type prices. You're all loopy.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Insane prices right now. I think you're right. I think in a step-up situation, obviously if I'm trading the 101, I've got to feel pretty good about my contending chances, I would assume. I would be attacking a Devante Adams. I would be attacking Stefan Diggs.
Starting point is 00:27:45 I would be attacking a D.K. Metcalf. Guys that are either somewhat on the decline, right, with Diggs, he might actually be dust, so take that for it's worth. But Devante Adams quite clearly not dust. I very aggressively made that a point last week when I wasn't supposed to. You can go back and listen to that.
Starting point is 00:28:09 But he's going as the wide receiver 28, which is just insane. Yeah. So if you can do that, even a Jaden Reed type, although there's a lot of risk with Jaden Reed, when everyone was on the field, he was basically non-existent. Yeah. He's very kind of gadgety. but D.K. Metcalf, people have wide receiver fatigue on Metcalf.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Higgins. Higgins, fatigue, myself included. I don't want to roster them just because I don't want to roster them. Drake London, people might be trying to sell. So I think you're right on there with the elite, but you've got to remember he's not going too much. Like, St. Brown is going one spot after the 101 right now, according to the ADP sheet that we have in front of us, again provided by the Bulletproof Discord and Adico.
Starting point is 00:28:53 I think that's the hard part because if you want that elite asset, there aren't, like, again, this is why I'm trading the 101 is so difficult because what else, no one else wants to give up extra on top of an elite asset because the best they're going to hope for if they're going to use that pick is an elite asset. So there is, like there is a fear there of, like Tom says, maybe let's tier down again and look for two of a lower tier rather than the top tier. It's also tough because the 101 is more than likely a quarterback. It's really hard to trade it without getting one back.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Yeah, it makes me that tough. But if you're a team that's contending that ended up with the 101, then in my opinion, you're more likely not rolling out Matthew Stafford and, like, Gino Smith. So if you have that 101 because you had the lottery, which everyone should have a lottery, and you are actually able to send that pick off without being in a total rebuild situation, I don't think you have to worry about that quarterback situation. Of course, you could always just take Marvin. Harrison Jr. 101.
Starting point is 00:29:55 I mean, that's something that's very much on the table that people aren't talking about a lot. But you very well could. He goes to Arizona. I mean, it's Marvin Harrison Jr. 101. So game over. So you don't need Amin Ross St. Brown. So I love this structure. I love how we discussed it.
Starting point is 00:30:10 But keep in mind, you're moving your 101 right at this moment is leaving a lot on the table. Massively. You have to be prepared for that more than anything. All right. So then the second one, we talked about you just mentioned the lottery. This is perfect. So two mid-table teams switched their picks during the year. The winner of the deal came fifth, but their seventh round pick, their seventh 101 pick turned out to win the lottery, got them the 101.
Starting point is 00:30:44 They're looking for a piece to try and push next year. They finished fifth. They might have been unlucky. A lot of people who, again, had good years finished outside of the top three, four and five. they were offered CMC, the 112, and DeAndre Hopkins for the 101. Tom, what are you doing? Not that. Because you can look, Chris McCaffrey is the goat.
Starting point is 00:31:07 And the last time I talked shit about Christian McCaffrey on Twitter. It went well? No, I got absolutely roasted because he got traded there. I said that I didn't like it as much because his volume is probably going to go down, even though his efficiency goes up. and he went out and scored four fucking touchdowns and 50 points in his first game. It was a logic-driven take. It's just, you know, it's Christian McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:31:30 I got crushed. Yeah. Whatever. Moving on. He's still a high ankle sprain away from having no value. Yeah. He's great. He's going to be great next year.
Starting point is 00:31:44 He's probably going to be great two years from now. When I'm looking at this kind of asset, I ask, can he survive a major injury? and no. You want that insurance. If I had Brees Hall and he tore his ACL again, iffy, but God forbid,
Starting point is 00:32:00 I'm going to knock on wood. But if Bijon Robinson tore his ACL tomorrow, Bejohn Robinson would be a second round startup pick in a year. And you ask how? How did Brees Hall do it having no touches inside the five?
Starting point is 00:32:15 He's a great player and he's a young player. And they can bounce back from these things. McCaffrey's not doing that. So if you were contending, this is a fake contender to me with this finish fifth last year, squat mid-first and won the 101 lottery, you've hit the jackpot.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Just stick with the 101, bro. At that point, you're already sitting comfortable. Andy, I assume, you sort of agree? Yeah, I agree. Especially with the other pieces in the trade. Again, they're fake overpay pieces. DeAndre Hopkins, He's damn near zero at this point.
Starting point is 00:32:52 And then the 112 is going to be a late first round wide receiver more than likely. So yeah, you can't trade the 101 for that. You need a real piece like Tom said that can't lose value. Most likely a quarterback or a receiver. You can't do it for a running back, even though it is the best running back. You can't know for like a brief hall type back. The trade structure has to be manipulated. And you're saying that because I probably just spoiled something by accident.
Starting point is 00:33:19 I was just about to say at 102, would you take Breece Hall straight up for the 102? The idea being that you've lost that initial, like the 101, the allure of the best pick in the draft. There's still a chance to the guy you want to sides to you. We're talking Williams, we're talking MHJ. So there's still a chance that guy gets through to you. But if you want that extra piece, if you finish eighth, you're the middle of the road, you don't need QB, and you're worried that MHJ is going first, do you take Breeze Hall for the 102? Andy.
Starting point is 00:33:49 I love Brice. He's one of my favorite running backs in the league. I really do think he's really, really good. And especially what he did this season off the ACL, not even touching the ball inside of 5 being RB2, I wouldn't take this. I would rather have the 102 because, for two reasons.
Starting point is 00:34:06 One, I would just rather have the wide receiver than the running back if it's Marvin Harrison. You said there's a chance it could not be Marvin Harrison in the situation. Then it's the quarterback versus a running back. and I have the more valuable player. I can trade that for more. I don't have to keep Caleb. He's just worth more than Brees.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Like, he's the first round starter pick. He's just worth more. So I would not do it, but it would hurt. If it was the 103, I know that I don't own that pick in this situation, I would take it, but not for the 102. Yeah, and I think that's important.
Starting point is 00:34:35 That's kind of why I ask is because people get stuck in this mind that if I don't need this position, therefore I've got to go and get another one with the pick, right? So the allure was Brees with the RB, but then if you get a quarterback slug, to you, like you say, keeping that mindset of value still exists as value, you don't necessarily need to pivot away just because you don't need that position. Tom, similar thoughts, B, 102? Yeah, I just don't want to come off sounding like a zero RB Z lot, right? Like, I just...
Starting point is 00:35:02 Well, I mean, you did say that you built a dynasty roster and three young running backs and luckily a quarterback, so, you know, yeah, well, not like you've covered your ass there. Two, baby, Stroud and Love, right? Yeah, we're lock and loving, yeah. Exactly. I also would not take this for the same reasons at any side i don't even have much to add except for we're getting a quarterback 101 that's not bryce young and everything everyone in their mom knows it should have been strout even without hindsight yeah right the brys the brys young pick was weird even though i mean i did have them listed as my 101 at one point so full transparency um but we're getting caleb williams who is just coming out next here even to those two
Starting point is 00:35:42 quarterbacks. So if you're going that way, I'm going to do it. Or you get this wide receiver that's going to be drafted in the top five. And I don't know if you guys know this or not, but wide receiver is drafted in the top five of the NFL draft. Pretty high
Starting point is 00:35:58 chance of them hitting a 17 plus point per game season. So I'm I'm just going to take the 102 and I think you have more of an opportunity to add value if you want to trade out of it than you would with the Brees Hall even at this point.
Starting point is 00:36:16 So with that about trading assets for more right than with Brees Hall, I have a surprise trade proposal. As I looked to my right and I saw Twitter and who other than Dynasty Zoltan, Mike, good player, great, dynasty manager. Sure. Love talking to them. Working on scheduling a podcast together. it's going to be a great time. I can't wait.
Starting point is 00:36:44 He proposed this in a poll. Dynasty Superflex, PPR, half point tight end premium, the 102, or the 106 and a 25 first. Now, this is just vacuuming because there's no... No framing references, yep. Right. So very interested to hear what everyone has to say here. I'll start with Tom Lee.
Starting point is 00:37:05 I'm taking it. I mean, this year, 106 for me is right on that edge of being in a tier. a lot of the time the young quarterbacks, yes, they're highly valuable, but this draft looks a little thin after that. And 106 plus what could be anything in the 25 first or what I could do with that 25 first for me, suggest that it's enough to move. It could well be wrong.
Starting point is 00:37:29 It's one of those ones that can backfire instantly. The draft happens and all of a sudden 105 is the cutoff. He's stuck with 106 and, you know, I'm having to use some of my narrative-based trading skills to try and get myself out of it. But for me, that value is enough to pivot out of 102. Having said that, if you held to the draft, that's probably the only other time I'd be okay with it. Hold the 102 to the draft and just see what happens with that first pick.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Because I think the price of 102 goes up as soon as the first pick is made, regardless of the outcome. There's enough hype about these two guys that I think there's going to be someone in that league who wants to pop on the other one and thinks its value, even though it's the same pick. I can see by the look on Andy's face. He's just wanting us to shut up to tell us that we're wrong so please Andy tell us go on Eddie why because I can see it mazarin my marr how to do my inner
Starting point is 00:38:18 Gus Johnson there I want the 102 for that because like you said 106 is the cutoff right now from what we know right now pre-combine 106 is the last of a tier and it's looking like Romo Dunesay who is starting to come out like a little like a little shaky on some of the analytic stuff we're not a prospect show so we won't get into it but that it he is they cut off there. And then you're looking at Marvin Harrison Jr. has a shot to be a top three dynasty wide receiver off
Starting point is 00:38:45 the bat. You're not getting that for, I don't know, a QB15 and a random first. So I just want Marvin there. I want Maserati Marvin there pretty easily, I think. Yeah, that's fair enough. Easily is where I have an issue.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Easily. So you can, in a realistic world, land a neighbors, right, Rome, Daniels and Bowers. So I think, you know, there's a real possibility there where you're laughing down the road. This is also based off of what is in my mind of the way the top six players are going to go.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Like I have like a, I have like a random, I have like an order in my head that I think like. So, okay. Does here. All right. Caleb, pull it from the dome. Caleb, Marvin, neighbors. May. or Daniels, May, Bowers, those six.
Starting point is 00:39:44 And then O'Donze is right off there. It was O'Donzee over Bowers. Now it's Bowers over Dunezay for me. So it's those six. And if it goes in that order in my head, then I just want Marvin Harrison over those two assets. The security of the 102. Now we are talking about a tight and premium situation.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Yeah. So to me, that changes Bowers a little bit. Even though the picture of him standing next to Grunk makes him look like an IT intern. It does. Yeah. I really want to drop in my ranks. And after talking to Scott Barrett today, discussing whether or not we think he is a screen-pass merchant or not. Yeah. I don't know. I told him today that I view him very closely to how Trey McBride was for me coming out.
Starting point is 00:40:26 We know how much I love Trey McBride. But if you're telling me Trey McBride, you know, in a 25-1, that 102 starts looking a little, you know, a little more tradable on a tight-end premium. him. He's also most likely just going to take a little minute. He's also hurt right now. Maybe he's going to, he's also hurt right now. He's going to take a little minute. Marvin Harrison, like, if he does what we think he's going to do and what we expected, like his value is just going to be like through the roof. Like it's really hard for a wider here to be a first round startup pick. I mean, it's just really difficult to get there at that position. We have two right now or three right now. He looks like he's on a trajectory to hit that. It's just something really rare, something I want. So I just want to take that over that for
Starting point is 00:41:07 So let's take that and let's pivot back towards the trades that are up there. So we talked about how running back doesn't do it because you get a QB, which is a more valuable asset, or you get MHJ. What about an established guy in Garrett Wilson or the elitiveness of Tyree Kill? Are either of these two pushing the edge for you at 102? Garrett Wilson's close. I think I might take Garrett Wilson over the 102. I think I actually would take Garrett Wilson over the 102 because I know Garrett Wilson's very, very good.
Starting point is 00:41:38 I've seen these very good. Yeah. I know he's very good. I've seen him. He's only 23 going into year three. And he did, he was dynasty wide receiver three coming into the season. Aaron Rogers gets hurt. And now he's back to like, I don't know where he is on keep trade cup, but he was like wide receiver nine. That doesn't make any sense. He didn't do anything to show us that we were wrong in our evaluation of his talent. He produced with. He was good with garbage quarterback. With trash cans at QV. I mean, he was out there producing. He still, what he even ended up mustering to be used. usable as much as usable as he was this season is pretty damn impressive what he had to work with so i think garrant wilson like because i i think he could be in that tier of like super super super elite nifo i'd receiver so i would take garret wilson nice tom i'm gonna take marvin harrison over over garratt wilson yeah purely i can't blame you yeah like knowing and i'll tell you what it is and i'm
Starting point is 00:42:33 gonna be a merchant to i'm gonna be i'm gonna be a value bitch right now That's what I'm going to be. I know that the 102 is going at the 201. And I know that Garrett Wilson is the wider zero six right now. Yep. So I know that right now, which is when the question is being asked. He was just a one-two term pick. I have.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Yeah, I bet he just was. But now he's not. For no reason, though. I don't make those calls. People make those calls. I'm not out there on the start of, I haven't done one. I haven't done one yet.
Starting point is 00:43:08 Okay. But to me, the gap potentially between what we know about Marvin Harrison as a prospect, his landing spot, the only way this really changes for me, for some of the stupid reason, the Patriots drafted him at three and I want to go jump into traffic. It would be not good. But the gap, I mean, going right after Garrett Wilson is A.J. Brown. And I'm sorry, but give me Marvin Harrison over A.J. Brown. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Right? Within that tier, we're not that far off right now. now. So, I think I think I want Marvin Harrison over Garrett Wilson. As for the Tyreek side, that's not even close to me. I mean, Marvin, I love Tyreek. But again, we're talking aging asset. Guy wants to retire and do porn in
Starting point is 00:43:58 a year or two. He's the goat, but as for my picks, chances are my team is bad. I'm just taking, I'm taking Garrett. fourth. He just made the chance at the Super Bowl, so never mind.
Starting point is 00:44:13 I'm still going to take Marvin. I think you're going to take Marvin here. I agree. Yeah, I think, especially a guy who could boom at the gates from day one. I think that's absolutely fine. We moved to 103.
Starting point is 00:44:24 Finish 10th on the roster, finished 10th in the league, decent roster, but young, doesn't need QB. Again, the narrative that people sell themselves. Would you take
Starting point is 00:44:32 tight end Sam LaPorter for the 103? Tom. Sam Leporta, finish 10th, good roster. but young doesn't need a quarterback. Finished 10th. Would I take Sam Laporta?
Starting point is 00:44:48 Tighten premium? Yeah, correct. Yes. Yes, I would take Sam Laporta. He's my dynasty tight end one. Yeah. Tighten premium bumps it. Give me him right there.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Big Daddy-o. Eddie? Yep, I agree. Because going back to my in-my-head dynasty rookie rankings, that would be Sam Leporta for for neighbors that's the tight end one overall for what wider zero seven
Starting point is 00:45:18 I think you take that easy and easy And they're going back to back right now So yeah Well let's pivot from tight end to wide receivers Let's go from Loporta to the hotness of this year Puka Nakua Tom You finished eighth
Starting point is 00:45:31 You got a solid roster But you need skill positions You're taking Puka Yes Yes This is one of those situations Where you don't make Dynasty harder than it has to be.
Starting point is 00:45:41 This is, this is the, the, it could be anything meme or it could be Pooka Nakua meme. Yeah. The guy's shattered records.
Starting point is 00:45:49 I don't care about the total games played. So miss me with that shit. Uh-huh. They love him. He's going to be there. The situation is not changing. As of right now,
Starting point is 00:46:01 he's unreal. He's past Cooper Cup in that offense. He's unbelievable as a player, wins in multiple levels. it's one of those situations where neighbors is great. Some might say he's better than Marvin Harrison Jr. I disagree. But, I mean, I'm probably taking pooh, puka, pooha, oh my God,
Starting point is 00:46:21 puka over Marvin Harrison at this point, because you don't see rookie production like that ever. And if it's, well, I need to see it one more year. Well, guess what? Now you're the guy that passed on Alman Ross St. Brown. Yeah. And now you're the one paying for him at the 2-1 instead of getting them later. except people are not screwing this up
Starting point is 00:46:41 with Puka and they're taking him where he should go in the early of round two in a startup so give me Pooka and Akua here Andy yeah this is Kiss
Starting point is 00:46:51 keep it simple stupid we want Puka here for sure because did you did you write that down to read it off no it was just
Starting point is 00:47:01 it was like like it's it's such an important saying I can't stop it I need to nail every single bit of this No, that's crazy. You enunciated the shit out of that.
Starting point is 00:47:14 Now we're getting cooked. No, it's good. It's good. I agree with you. Keep it simple. I mean, it really is, again, it's narrative straight. People get in their heads. If they didn't have a share of poker this year,
Starting point is 00:47:24 they didn't watch him play, they understand the hotness, but they see the draft capital. They still play it in their heads. The same mistake everyone made with Armandrasse and Brown. Like, you're just not convinced, at what point will you be, this is the reason you finished eighth in this league?
Starting point is 00:47:37 And you'll continue to finish eighth and donate money to the rest of us. So yeah, I'm with you guys. The last one on this list is a running back just because I wanted some rounding out of it. Jonathan Taylor really ambiguous figure at the moment. This person finished fifth just unlucky to miss out once that little boost is JT have any interests up near this area? No, not a chance. Yeah, not a chance. It's not even close even.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Well, I mean, we talked about can a player survive an injury. Jonathan Taylor's value is hanging on by a thread after barely not holding on thanks to an injury and a team with a bunch of questions. So he came back and he looked okay for certain games, but he honestly didn't provide too much more than what Zach Moss provided them earlier in the year. And don't hear what I'm not saying.
Starting point is 00:48:29 I'm not saying that Taylor is Zach Moss. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying in terms of building my team when I want value, I want those guys that are, legitimate value difference makers in Brees gives Bijon, Taylor, not quite there. I think Taylor is actually my dynasty RB6 or seven right now. I have not updated my fantasy points ranks, but I am working on them for next week. They will drop.
Starting point is 00:48:51 So stay tuned for that. This is not even close to me. Yeah, I think he's someone will dive into more in the offseason because I think he presents as a really interesting asset going forward. Andy, thoughts on that. Yeah, I agree. Jonathan Taylor doesn't project as well as in years past. but I do think he's still really interesting and still a player that he's outside of that Bejohn Gibbs,
Starting point is 00:49:13 Brise, but he's probably the most, like, available one of those running backs you can actually buy. Like, he's pretty obtainable. So I think he's super interesting in that aspect, but not for that pick. Yeah, I agree. We head to the 104. I want to go a little quick for on the 104, because really the concede here is like, let's just say, we talked about the players. If you could go 103, 104, 105. Right.
Starting point is 00:49:35 If it's not Neighbors, it's likely May. So at 104, if you're a person who's finished between 5th and 7th, you want an extra piece, are you taking any of these following players? Jalen Waddle, T. Higgins, or Tankdale, plus a piece? No, I mean, and for me, it's not May. It's Jade Daniels. So I think I have Daniels ahead of May. I've been convinced.
Starting point is 00:50:01 So, no, I want Daniels. These receivers are fine, but they're nesting dolls. So I don't. I don't want that. I mean, take down plus Baker is fine. Like it's fine. But nah,
Starting point is 00:50:14 Jalen Waddle is the king on top of the nesting doll. He's the largest of the nesting doll. He gets it going. And I know Andy loves tea, but I'm not, I'm not moving Daniels for him. So these are just names, I think,
Starting point is 00:50:28 that carry weight still in the dynasty landscape. And I think at 104, for people who haven't looked closely at the draft yet, on the face value of it, it looks like it could be done, right? Andy, what are your thoughts? Jalen Waddle, T. Higgins, Tankdale, and Baker for the 104. Any interest? I like Waddle. I like Waddle for the 104. If it's guaranteed to not be neighbors, I like Waddle because I'm not even someone who really likes to draft rookie quarterbacks. And I'm getting, now I have to pick which one of those second tier quarterbacks is going to be the one.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Like, I don't really want to be in that business. I really like Waddle. If it's not going to be neighbors, I think I just want him. I don't want to sit here and have to choose one of them quarterbacks are going to bust. like we just we know it it's it's history is what it is and i don't know how to i don't know how to draft quarterbacks so i'd rather just take i would take wattle when the tank dell one's really close but tank dell is a player that's kind of like i don't know he's been tripping me out lately i don't know what to think about tank tell and i hate like what is what is tank tell yeah yeah he's tankdell is little and coming off a broken ankle and he's an old prospect he turned 24 in his rookie season so that one i think that one is close if
Starting point is 00:51:36 Baker, I mean, maybe if Baker gets a contract, he would be more like a more desirable aspect, because then I could flip him for someone that's not Baker because I don't want to look at my team. But the T. Higgins one, no, I wouldn't do that. He's much as I love T. Higgins. He's still below Waddle for me. And I think so I wouldn't do that one. What if Baker gets his TV ad deals back? Will that entice you a little bit more? Worse. I'm dropping him in value. Progressive Baker's a drop. That's worse. But he lives in the stadium. He loves the stadium. He loves the people. You live in the stadium, not watching enough film.
Starting point is 00:52:10 We don't need Baker. We don't need Cleveland Baker back, okay? We're done with Cleveland Baker. Yeah, I agree. So we sort of move from this top tier of picks. The people I think associate 101 through 104 is like top tier, right? Even though there's tiers within the draft and within rookie drafts. But 105, 106 tend to be owned by middling rosters, right?
Starting point is 00:52:30 If it's a naturally occurring pick, these guys are looking to make moves. So this is where it kind of gets interesting to me because you're kind of getting a pick of what sort of assets you want and you're going to get multiple you're going to get a single player so 105 let's just say you finish mid table you're fairly balanced with the roster are you taking jordan addison and evan ingram for the 105 tom no no i won't do that it's just re-rolling 105 i think addison's a good player but he he lived on touchdowns i'm going to pass i'll take addison the one o't uh addison and ingram for the 105 why because i because i know jordan addison is good i see him be good he's a similar prospect
Starting point is 00:53:13 to udunzee who were going back off those rankings who would be there and i saw him produce i know he's good i liked him a lot as a prospect and he's in an ambiguous situation right maybe justin jefferson gets traded maybe jefferson jesson jefferson wants out maybe they get a better quarterback kirk cousin's going to come back i don't know where o'dunze is going to land i don't know and I get Evan Ingram who I don't like, another player I don't like in the Baker tier. But the dude caught over 100 passes last season. We're assuming this is a tight-end premium league. He's 29 years old.
Starting point is 00:53:48 And he provides a lot of value. And he's a player you can definitely trade. So I want Addison because I think Addison, the 105, even, and I'd rather have Addison and I get a free tight end that actually produces. I want the package. Is there a non-injury-based way that you think you can lose that trade? so I say both players stay healthy yes
Starting point is 00:54:08 yeah and does that bring you any get a better quarterback who yeah the quarterback landscape is garbage Kirk Cousins is the only answer for that team
Starting point is 00:54:19 I'm sorry but no Kirk Cousins you downgrade quarterback no matter how much you look at the landscape who there's it's it's bad it's God awful God awful you're you're gonna bring
Starting point is 00:54:33 Taylor Heineckeeke I think Taylor Heineke's going to support multiple top tier wide receivers with Justin Jefferson there? No. And then Hawkinson comes back. I love Jordan Addison. I think he's a great player. Jordan Addison ran so hot on touchdowns. It's
Starting point is 00:54:47 insane. Insane. And who knows what kind of season he has if Kirk Cousin sticks around? He was also splitting routes. He was splitting routes with KJ Midborn for like seven weeks. That's going to be dead. 100%. I I won't disagree with you there.
Starting point is 00:55:05 He had 10 touchdowns, right, on 12 end zone targets. Four of those touchdowns came in the end zone. That's pretty good. Here's the problem. He still only had 12.8 expected fantasy points per game, and he finished with 13 points per game, which puts him in a tier of receiver of guys that I can probably replicate that production,
Starting point is 00:55:30 and then you're like, okay, where's his path to being that next step wide receiver? And it's not anywhere where Justin Jefferson included. And old man cousins isn't getting younger. And his Achilles isn't magically going to be 100%. And it's not like Atlanta is not going to offer him a boatload of money. And the next question is, who's next? Jaron Hall. You're going to bring Dobbs back?
Starting point is 00:55:56 You're going to offer Baker a massive contract? It doesn't look good. The quarterback landscape is ass. But why would I re-roll the 105 when Addison already hit? Like what am I re-rolling for? I'm re-rolling to a Dunezay for what? Sure, but what's the actual likelihood
Starting point is 00:56:14 that he becomes an alpha top 12 wide receiver in the league? Probably higher than the 105 that hasn't played yet. But we don't know that. Exactly, but I don't... Not to mention, you're attaching a name. You're also attaching a name to that, pick? What if it's not Rome?
Starting point is 00:56:31 What if it's May? I have to do the trade right now, though. I'm assuming. Right, but that's what I'm saying. You don't have a name of time. That's what it's parceled into not knowing. Yeah. It gives you more avenues to go than being locked in Addison, like Addison as a player, but if you're telling me that Addison and Zay Flowers aren't the same fucking guy, you're insane. Addison's better.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Addison and Devontz Smith are like the same guy. I hate to tell you, but Addison, more probable to be a nesting doll wide receiver than an alpha wide receiver in the league. So if you're telling me, I can re-roll for a potential. Quinn Johnson. Sure. Quinn Johnson wasn't getting drafted at the 105. And if you did, you deserved everything you didn't get with Quentin Johnson this year. So for me, if I'm looking at a wide receiver, I want to find who has the highest potential to be the elite asset.
Starting point is 00:57:34 Yeah, I saw Addison. Touchdowns aren't sticky. What are you left with? A murky situation being alpha-cucked by Justin Jefferson and a lot of question marks. So yes, I will use that to move on. Would I add an Evan Ingram? probably not in a tight-end premium. I maybe want a third back something.
Starting point is 00:58:02 But yes, it just, there needs to be a path for that elite ceiling. He had 10 touchdowns as a rookie. We know it's not sticky. And he still only hit 13 points per game. It's just, it's good. And yes, there are injuries. But guess what? It's not always greener on the other side.
Starting point is 00:58:21 So questions. All I know is I'm writing Jordan Anderson's name down for future in the offseason here. Like, come back to that. Let's finish off on 105. So a couple of running backs. I don't really have strong opinions on either because I was wrong on both of them as far as evaluating these assets went. Let's just say you finish six or seventh and you want a player to try and take you there next year to try and push and compete. Karen Williams and Rashad White, any interest in either for the 105?
Starting point is 00:58:51 Let's go Tom. Can you reread the circumstances? You finish six or seventh and you need R.B. You want Kairn or Rashad for 105? Man. Man. Six or seventh is too far. Six or seventh is too far.
Starting point is 00:59:15 No, I want 105. Six and seven is too far. Too far. I think Tyrone is going to be just an absolute beast again this year. And I traded a lot of, 25 ones and 26 ones for Rashad White on contending teams. Six and seven is too far.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Six and seven the running back is not getting you there. If you came fourth, does that change your mind? Yeah, yeah, I probably pull the trigger on. So it's pretty tight. Yeah. All I'm hearing is I did a good job. Seven is a huge gap. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:45 Yeah. Andy? No, I wouldn't because first of all, I hate needs in February. Yeah. Like you don't need a running back in February. It's February. We're not setting lineups.
Starting point is 00:59:54 for seven months. So you probably need a lot more than that if you think that's something, like if you have the 105. So now I wouldn't. I wouldn't do either of them. Kieran is closer just because I think he has that elite ceiling, that 20-point-per-game ceiling. And I would just much rather buy it in season just because whatever fuckery could happen
Starting point is 01:00:17 with Sean McVeigh from now till opening day that I'd rather just buy it in week four. It probably won't even cost them that much more. And Rashad White, he isn't good. He's a good fantasy player. Butch at CMC. He isn't, he isn't, I mean, he isn't good, though. So I don't want to buy him not right now. And I love Richard White, but he's not, he's not very good at the football part.
Starting point is 01:00:42 So I wouldn't want to buy him in February. I would buy him later, not right now. Yep. Not pre-draft and pre-free agency. Tom. I agree, but I don't think good necessarily matters at running back. I think volume does. It matters as far as getting replaced.
Starting point is 01:00:57 Could you be replaced? Yeah. I don't disagree. It's really hard for me to have opinion. So I don't know who's getting replaced with the next. I think that's it. That's really why I added the word needs because it's not something that we tend to sort of track towards using the word, I need someone through the draft.
Starting point is 01:01:14 But it's a really common thing out there, especially for new dynasty players. So getting this idea around like there's no RB's coming up in this draft. I need RB help. What am I going to do? I don't want one of the old guys. the appeal of these guys starts to push those first out of the team. So it's almost like a word of warning of saying, like you said, you don't need anything until much later in the season,
Starting point is 01:01:33 if not in season next year or this year. I will say you're right in the not having needs in February. Yeah, absolutely. I'll give you that. I'll give you that one. I'll give you that one. Well, you never know. You can always be right years later.
Starting point is 01:01:48 I was wrong on both, so who knows. The last pick for us, 106. I've only thrown this in because I know that Andy likes him and I just want to see what the take is but James Cook and the 204 or 106? I would be one overall James Cook Let's go Andy
Starting point is 01:02:03 What do you got? Okay now that I'm just like James Cook stand which kind of pissing me off that it's gotten to this point Just because I like James Cook because he has a arm sleeve And he looks around the field now I'm this James Cook Stan But
Starting point is 01:02:21 I think this is this is pretty close because it had 204. Yeah. Because of that 204, I just don't know how to value the 204 right now because of the fact that there's going to be no running backs in the draft class. How like ass is the early or like mid second going to be? I don't know. So I, it would be like naive to look at this is just 106 for James Cook and I would take 106 over James Cook. It's really I'm just struggling with the 201. because I don't know how much value that 204 holds in this class with the fact of with the no running backs.
Starting point is 01:02:56 And maybe there's three, four quarterbacks in the first round. Like maybe JJ McCarthy sneaks in the first round in the NFL draft that makes it a little deeper. But I don't know, just because I don't know how to value the 204. This is pretty good. This is pretty good. But I'm going to stick to my guns here and go 106. I've said that I want the 106. I want in the top six.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Yeah. Right? I've been saying that for a while with this draft. I won the top six and everything after that. Maybe we can do another episode on that. But for time's sake, I'm just going to stick to that gun and say, top six, I want the pick. I think James Cook is dope.
Starting point is 01:03:37 Don't think he's the RB one overall like Andy. Arby too. He's very dope. I think he'd be very good. He still has a very large Caucasian touchdown problem in Buffalo. So that's going to hinder his. 240, 6'5, can't throw. Massive Caucasian issue in Buffalo.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Yeah, for what it's worth, I agree. I mean, like 106 is just going to keep improving in value until a certain point. So I'm just staying with it for now. If this was later in the offseason, it may change. James Cook, get another guy, don't get me to evaluate running backs at any point this off season because another guy, not that I missed on. I'm just not a huge fan of because I didn't know how we used. And like you say, the Caucasian running back issue up in Buffalo.
Starting point is 01:04:20 So, yeah, really. re-roll this one to me later in the off-season. I might have a different take, but for now it's 106 and it's the holder value. Yep, 100%. Cool. So the last one for us. We'll get out on a real easy one.
Starting point is 01:04:35 It's just a couple of vets. So if you finish second, you're ready to push again. You've got the 106. Are you taking Dusty, Dusty, Dusty in Cooper Cup and Derek Henry for the 106? That's finished with Andy. No shot. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:49 No shot. It's on. Like, after this whole show, and everything we've really like broken down as best we can from narrative to theory to possibilities. Yeah. Fucking no. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:03 Cooper Cup just got Alpha Kucked by the runner up for offensive rookie of the year, which we now have that official. Yeah. Pooka Nakuo is the runner up by a wide margin, which is kind of odd. And, and Derek Henry, who needs a contract to even have life in the NFL.
Starting point is 01:05:21 It's just a classic thing of like, hero assets that you're really familiar with them last five. years. Let's see if there's anything out there. And it's the perfect pick to target because people are really not sure what to do with 106. So having said that, you're targeting the guy that finished seconds. So good, good luck to you. Yeah, exactly, 100%. That's it. That's everything we got. That's a great show. Look at that hour and five. Just a beauty of a program with two absolute beauties themselves. Let's get some final thoughts. We're getting at here. I'll start with Angie on the final thoughts. I think Jordan Addison,
Starting point is 01:05:54 the goat I think that's my final fact and clip and clip Tom Lee you know me a little bit of
Starting point is 01:06:05 a Aussie slang to finish off on the saying as mad as a cut snake is one of my favorites essentially someone who's just wild or out of control
Starting point is 01:06:14 stay away from that guy he's as mad as a cut snake a little happy one to go with for the day god I love that those are back
Starting point is 01:06:22 they make me so happy I'm going to find a way to use that tomorrow. Okay, and for myself, my final thoughts are always the same. There is no right or wrong way to play Dynasty Fantasy football.
Starting point is 01:06:34 The minute you think you are the smartest person in the room, just know you are the least smartest person in the room. You either adapt or die. And that's just how the game is. It is forever changing. Never get sunk too far into your process.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Never believe that there is one definite because only a Sith. deals in absolutes. Of course, I want to remind everyone to check in on their loved ones, even if you're not sure that you need them, make sure to check out fancypoints.com for the Super Bowl contest. Remember that clear eyes, full hearts can never lose in your best days? Well, goddamn, they're always bent tilting.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Good night, everybody.

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