Fantasy Football Daily - Dynasty Points - Now It Begins The 2024 Off-Season Kick Off

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

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It's Tuesday night and that can only mean one thing. There's one place for you to be and it's right here with us on Dynasty Points. The last Dynasty Points till February 27th. Now let me just add. That does not mean that all Dynasty Content at FantasyPoint.com is leaving you in this super degenerate insane time of year where people do startups already. No, Dynasty Points Market Report is going to be recorded tomorrow, first episode, and after that we go live every week. We are going to be here for you.

There will be two dynasty shows here at FantasyPoints.com for you. We're going from very little dynasty content to a ton of dynasty content. So don't worry, we are going to be here two Dynasty Points shows, The Market Report recorded tomorrow with myself and Andy Buckler. Not going to want to miss it. Andy is a super sharp dynasty player. He's right in the weeds with us. That being said, Jacob, every year we take a break.

It's kind of needed. The season can definitely burn you out, especially everything you're doing, the best ball, the writing. It's a lot. But before you get out of here, do not think that I'm not going to sit here. and pick your brain about startup strategy. Today on the show, we're going to have early 80. People are sick.

People are absolutely sick. Every person keeps asking me these questions about startups next. Startups. What would you do in this round of a startup? What do you think about startups? Do people have family members? Do people have friends? Do people have loved ones?

Do people have like beaches to walk on? or snow to build sculptures out of, or I don't know, grass to touch or oceans to swim in. Like, it is preposterous that all of you people are one week, one week and three days removed from this year's dynasty season. Right. We have draft season is going to be coming up in May. And then you have all summer full of startups and training camp.

you're probably going to want to start getting into your pre-draft evaluations come March and April. Like, you have two months, January and February, in which you don't absolutely need to be doing Dynasty 24-7. And yet you are. And to that, I say a couple things. First of all, you're a sick fuck. Second of all, you found the right show. And third of all, despite my objection to everything that you stand for, I'm here to help tonight for an hour or so. For an hour or so.

No, I love it, man. It's, it never ends. I've been saying in the Fantasy Points Discord that it really does never end. And we're going to, like you said, we're going to be here. We have lots. We have some giveaways to talk about some Super Bowl repicks. We're going to rehash what we picked in the preseason where that went to. rookie strategy and startups if you're doing kickers in place of of rookies right now which i mean

you're a real sicko if you're drafting rookies and startups right now we don't even know everyone who's declaring you're a real sicko uh we got some fun stuff to preview so i just want to lead off the show with the winner of the player picks i just want to get it out early uh jacob won this year oh look at that after getting with an asterisk by the assistant Yeah, we're going to give an asterisk because we gave Jacob a free week because he was so far behind. And Ryan Heath absolutely knocked it out of the park to get him in the lead. But Jacob wins with the total of... What a call.

Unbelievable call. And Taylor, Taylor took it home. 662.262 PPR points for Jacob, Lucas in 2nd, 657.36, and an absolute collapse. A Jacksonville Jaguars-esque collapse for me. me at 625.84 points. So Jacob is picking the drinks. He's going to have to go out with some virgin versions because Lucas does not drink, but I have a feeling I am going to be in rough shape by the end of whatever day we cover Dynasty Points covers the draft for fantasy points.com. It's going to be rough. It's not a kiddle jersey. Okay, this is an Arizona

Cardinals Dynasty tight end two Trey McBride jersey So shout out Mr. Trey McBride T.D is in the chat We have trav in the chat everybody Sean We We love all you guys All right player picks out of the way

Shout out Jacob but not really Asterisk on this win I led for so long to start the year And like the Jaguars Just absolutely bit the bullet Terrible terrible terrible It's sad I felt really good With 55 points in the last week of the season

and only see that Jacob scored 57. Just a fantastic last week of calls. I do feel a little bad for Thomas. He had one player who only had one touch in his last week. One player who had zero touches is last week. So it was unfortunate, especially after a great Wintz backup call after originally going with Flacco. I thought. Yeah, made the sub.

But Wence, man. Absolutely embarrassing to the league that Flacco and Wence, whence, when, when unsigned so long while absolute dog water mediocre quarterback play was rampant across the league so many injuries and we had guys that should have been signed just sitting on their couches come in and absolutely ball out flak was in the playoffs technically wenz is in the playoffs too but looked more than capable of being better than the trevor simians of of the world here it's just egregious and the nfell needs to to stop this shit. Like,

it's, it's bad. Hot take, but if my Broncos do end up cutting Russell Wilson over the off season, it's going to happen. Give me Carson Wentz over Jared Stidum. Like,

seriously, I can't go through a full season of that, especially with that's being. You're not going to a full season of Jared. Don't worry. We're saying at the 112, I guess we can draft Michael Phoenix. I don't know.

I'm not too super high on them, especially after last night, which, I think he's a second round pack. And I don't. Easily. Just because of last night. I felt that way prior to the Texas game.

I felt that way after the Texas game. I feel that way currently. I mean, I would say that he's far better than he was last night, and he's not as good as he was in the Texas game. But, yeah, to me, he's not a first round thing. I can't wait to talk to the rookie quarterbacks coming up in this draft because it's going to be a very curious case.

It's pretty clear after the first, like, two or three, and after that there's like six to seven guys that could be picked in the top two rounds, and it's just insane. I'm going to derail this entire show. Do it. Naturally, of course. Look, I'm not a Pinox guy or Pennix or penis, whatever. Can broadcast stop?

I've tweeted about it. Oh, I know. Oh, yeah. I'm getting on this rant all over again because I already heard about it. Can broadcast stop just looking at plays and just highlighting whatever random wide receiver is running open? Like, can they just, it's so annoying. It's not instructive. It's not helpful.

But when we're watching, we only know so much. We can never know for sure how they're coached or read a certain play, what indicators they're looking for from the defense. We can't be certain of who's the first reader, who's the second reader, third reader's fourth read. But we can guess. We can look where the quarterback's looking. We can assume that most of the time they're probably looking at the correct first read. We can also, for instance, look at a given play in which they're running flood, the one side with an out and then a fade route that's paired. And then another side, with just a random backside post and guess that probably unless there's something alerting him pre-snap, you're never reading the solo post first. You're going to be reading the multi-level concept first on the other side of the field. All this to say, it just drives me fundamentally insane

when we get these announcers playing spotlight on the open wide receiver who's almost certainly the third or the fourth read or at the very least we don't know when they are and then just blaming the quarterback every time is always supposed to have like night vision goggles keeping an eye on four wide receivers at once. It drives me crazy.

It makes people dumber. It's aggravating and I'm sick of it. These people know better. It was a little disappointing to see him miss some of the open throws. It was Washington just wasn't clicking last night. They picked the worst game to have a bad night. It happens. Congratulations to Michigan, though.

They did an excellent job of at least trying to make him uncomfortable. I think they only had one sack up until maybe the last drive. They may have snuck a second sack in there. But congratulations to them a great season. And holy cow, that first quarter just completely out physicaled them. It looked like it was going to be like 49 to 3. And good for Washington's defense for bucking up and actually giving Washington like a very legitimate chance. Yeah.

To win the game. And their offense just couldn't get it done. Ryan Heath is here. He says, Football announcers only exists to piss us off. I'm going to piggyback off of what you said. I watched that Raven Steelers game, and let me tell you, if there was ever a time where I felt like the announcers had money on a certain player, it was in that game.

I don't remember the last time I heard an announcer every play, regardless of down, situation, time on the clock, anything, formation, whether he was on the field or not. Oh, they really, not getting the ball to George Pickens here. It's going to be crazy. It was the end of the game. They were getting set to kick a field goal after running the clock down to make it impossible for Baltimore to win.

It was like second and one. And he's like, he's going to have Pickens down at the bottom of the screen one-on-one. I don't know why they just don't throw it up to him and get him. Because they needed to run the ball, to run the clock, to win the game. And all he can talk about the whole night. Oh, Pickens, Pickens, Pickens. Throw it to pickens. Piggins.

Insane that Piggins. Deontay Johnson, cooking. Cooking. And they're like, no, it's got to be Piggins. This is insane to me. It felt like he had money on the game. Stop that. Like, Ryan, you're absolutely right.

It makes it impossible to watch. I would rather listen to a Troy Aikman game where he doesn't get the Cowboys. And he's just a whiny bitch the entire game. I would rather listen to that than, like Jacob said, just for no reason pushing an agenda when clearly everyone else watching can go, oh, yeah, well, that's why. It's embarrassing. There are so many other smarter people that can be calling these games. It's terrible.

And I do not look forward to the playoffs for this. Rant over. We can turn the rant music off. I know we just derailed the show there, but I think you were right. It had to be said. There's a reason we did an announcer draft, right? Not even a draft, but we picked our dream crews. There's a reason we did that a couple shows ago

because it was just necessary. Damn. Shout it to the college announcing too. Like, the college was fine up until, like Jacob said, the issue with the open receivers type stuff. But I had been enjoying college coverage. So there you go.

Step it up. Okay. Let's actually talk about what we're here to talk about. We're going to take a quick second when we come back. We're just going to cool off. a little heated right now like we're up here we started off mellow and then we just went right up we're in take a quick second

when we come back early ADP guesses and some draft tactics for you absolute sickos is going to take up the bulk of the program so strap in back in five in years past it's i think it's been pretty settled on how the first round of startups is kind of going to shake out i think this year we're going to get

some seriously disrupting picks because some players absolutely bawled out some guys got hurt some might lose value some quarterbacks gained value some shouldn't have been drafted in the first round last year and they're definitely not going to be drafted in the first round this year justin fields so let's talk about it i have a different dynasty qb one uh then pretty much like what i've seen everywhere it's josh allen to me even in his like where he's throwing up yolo balls into hilarious coverage for no reason he still is the cuby one and i don't see any reason this changes it clearly doesn't need to be stephan diggs he's just an absolute monster i think he's passed mahomes uh and should have been a past mahomes for a couple

years so he's my 101 okay but after that i think there's a plenty of doors opened up here i think lamar jackson is back for for the top three i still think it's mahomes two but i think that third spot that was so firmly planted as Jalen Hertz. I think there's some wiggle room there now. The top five seems pretty close, no matter how you want to shake it, right? I think it's, I have it right now is Alan. Stop me when you think I'm wrong,

but I have it, Alan Mahomes, Hertz, Stroud Lamar would be my top five right now. Right, you said Alan Mahomes, Hertz, Svald Mar, right? Yeah, is what I have. It's my top five. I actually think that's my top five dynasty rankings overall. I'm going to try and do my off-season rankings this week. Yeah, I'll have, I don't think I'll have a preference.

I'll definitely have Alan Mahomes in the same tier and in a tier of just those two. I'm not sure who I'll put first. Probably Allen, but I don't really have a large take on that one either way. I think I think I would stand by kind of the take that I trotted out earlier in the year where I think I would put Stroud third Okay I think that's totally fair I'd probably put Lamar fourth I mean Hertz is is We'll see what happens with the competition committee this year

Yeah, it is gonna change it Because like as long as well I'll see what happens with Kelsey's retirement because I think he's he has a lot to do with the success of that play. I mean, as long as the tush push is in existence, Hertz is on par with Lamar from a week to week season to season basis. Or sorry, with Alan, I mean to say. I'm ahead of Lamar. But like, he's not as good of a real-life quarterback as Ellen and the Holmes, certainly,

not as good of a real-life quarterback as Stroud, Burrow, Lamar, Herbert. That matters to me. to an extent. Like, if he's going to be able to keep scoring 23, 24, 25 fantasy points per game, it's fine because I don't think that like there's any short term or medium term risk to my talent concerns with him. Like, he's not going to be jobless anytime soon. Right.

But if you start taking away the tush push touchdowns that he's getting and now he's purely reliant on scrambling value and his own passing value. then I think he's more in the Kyler-Murray category of running quarterback who's good but not elite rather than like Josh Allen clone. So that would be my concern with Hertz. Yeah. I'm looking at DLF right now. And the last time that they updated their ADP was December 22nd to 23rd.

Josh Allen's one. Jalen Hertz is at two by Patrick Mahomes, C.J. Stroud and Lamar Jackson. That's all for your top five overall. all so the top five is pretty set i think i would probably put lamar over stroud and have her to five but that's that's basically my only difference in what you always say right i think that so i after looking at it cj stroud obviously we got clowned a little bit for for being as early as we were on stroud i mean you were a little earlier than me but i i did get there very quickly even with Scott Barrett

but I think we saw probably the best rookie season ever I don't think probably I mean through five interceptions like I don't think that'll happen again like next year probably there's some variance that's going to happen where touchdown regression

probably some turnover whatever what he did is nothing short of amazing and his upside is there on any given week he does run enough so I think he is there I would put him over Lamar because Jackson has, and look, I get called like my own Homer team hater a lot by Jacob here. But he does have that 10 point game in him more often than we'd like to see because they do feed the running back at the one yard line. I feel like if they were a little greedier with him, that would change it.

So in terms of just- If you only get half the benefits of the Russian quarterback, right? Like you get all the scrambles between the 20s and the design runs. and that helps a ton with his floor and it gives him an insane ceiling because at any given week he can run for a 70-yard touchdown. But like you definitely don't get the short yard of touchdowns that you get with Allen and I mean, especially with Hertz because he's just like committing a scam upon society. But like even with Josh Allen, like, you know, like Josh Allen is still their primary goal line back. And occasionally he sees carries to cook or any one of their dusty vets. But like with Alan like or with Lamont, like, or with Lambs.

Mar, it's like, he sometimes gets design rushing attempts, but it's pretty rare. And usually it's more from the four or the five. Like, when they get to the one, like it's not QB sneak time. It's, it's Gus time. Right. And that's like, you know. And Derek Henry time next year. So it's not going to get much better.

That's the thing. Like, maybe it's not Gus next year. But I just think like, you know, it's not like Gus Edwards is some like irreplaceable talent. I think philosophically, they seem to want to have like a large designated goal I'm back. and they'll probably keep having one because they're not that hard to find. I mean, if they want to bring Gus back, it's going to cost them like a million bucks.

Like, I don't think that it's going to be difficult to retain the services if they desire to. Yeah, so I think all of us, I think the five, I think is pretty, pretty locked in. That was crazy.

You only had five rushing touchdowns. I just imagine he only had 29 total touchdowns. If he got to be greedy at the goal line, we would talk about the QB1, but he doesn't. So it is what we'll get some regression on this. passing touchdowns. Like, I think, like there was, I mean, as a

heavily invested Lamar manager, like this year was, was just, it's just one of those years where, um, you, you get like a lot of, it's like, oh, in completion on first down, running in on second down or completion down to the two running in after that. Like I think we'll see more of those rushing touchdowns become passing touchdowns. But I, I mean, it's just a pretty clear choice that like when the rain was due to to run it, they usually run it with a running back.

So you're, I think you're, you're mostly limited to passing touchdowns, plus rushing between the 20s, but you're not really counting on more than a handful of rushing touchdowns. It's like that's like Trevor Lawrence level rushing touchdown production. Right. I think,

I think it'll really come down to see if Todd Monkin comes back. If Todd Monkin is back year two in this offense, I think it opens up. I remember this is the guy, he started off so slow partly, I think, because again, no preseason,

which I really hated, right? Lack of an offseason with the contract. First year, I really hope Munkin stays. He's been great here. And maybe just an upgrade from Dusty OBJ and Megabust Bateman would maybe make that a little higher. So that's the first five. When I got to six when I was prepping for this,

things got wishy-washy for me. Because Herbert should easily be number six to me. And I don't think it should be much. of a discussion. I think Herbert, even though he was having a quote-unquote down year was still a top five quarterback and he's young enough.

I think Herbert is still very good. However, after that, it was a Jefferson and Jamar Chase tier immediately after in most drafts that I found. Don't know if that's going to be the case now.

Trevor Lawrence, another down year will probably drop him into the first round, whether you agree with it or not. Anthony Richardson's going to be a curious case. Kyla Murray's coming back. Do you skip over Joe Burrow intentionally or by accident at this point? Deliberately.

I'm coming back to Joe Burrow. I'm coming back to Joe Burrow. But there's just, there's like a weird tear after that. And I was just going to mention, I have a hard time figuring out where Joe Burrow fits into there. If he should still be after Chase or. Hmm? To me, he's Justin Herbert, Simony's twin.

Wherever I put one, the other is either right ahead of them or right behind him. Like, I see those two is pretty interchangeable. Completely agreed. Okay, see, I like Herbert quite a bit more than Burrow. Just personally, this is a personal choice. I don't care.

I would like, I could go either way. I would like Herbert more, I would like Herbert demonstrably more if he had a comparable, like, if they draft more, if somehow, I can't see this happening, but let's say somehow Arizona decides it wants to draft a tackle at four. And Marvin Harrison Jr. is now a charger five.

So now Justin Herbert has his Jamar Chase. Like now I'm definitely prefer Herbert at that point. But for now I see it as like Herbert is, I think a little bit, I don't know, I think he's a little bit better. Maybe that's a hot take. and I think he is certainly a little bit more mobile, especially around the goal line. And then Burroughs kind of evening point is he's tied to Jamar Chase for the next, like seven, eight years. While Herbert's weapons are like Keenan Allen probably back for however long Keenan Allen is still good and he's on a game to game basis.

And then who knows? I mean, I got to think five is probably a pass catcher, right? Like, if it's not Harrison, and I can't imagine it's Harrison, I think he'll go at three or at four, but it's probably neighbors or Bowers, right? Right. But until it is, I can't be certain. Like, I'll be pretty, and until we see them play, right? Like, I think Malibor's going to be a total stud, but I've been wrong before.

How close are we to moving Kylie Murray into the same tier as Burrow and Herbert? You should be there already. He's there for me. You never should have been out of it. Like, we talked on this show at nauseam that you're getting 106-107 in the third round. And he's still a buy. Like, he's still a buy. The only reason for me that he was below these guys was because he wasn't playing football.

But, like, I always was of the view that one is return. He should be in that group. For me, it's, like, the top two. and then it's shrouded Lamar, and then it's, you know, to me, it's a group, it's a group of six for me, and it's like six slightly different asset types, which is like the best of the pocket passers, Burrow and Herbert, the best receivers, maybe it's a group of seven, honestly. Lam might deserve to be in here too with Jefferson.

Well, I was going to get to him for sure. And then, to me, it's Kyler and Hertz, which I think are a more similar asset. that then maybe the market does. Maybe I'm overrating, maybe I'm overrating the fragility of the Tush push element of hurts. And if that's a part of his career for the long haul, then I'm going to be wrong about that. But to me, they're kind of the same.

Like I think they're like 10 to 15 type quarterbacks in the league from like a talent perspective, like top 10 to top 15. And they run, which is great. And that allows them to be, you know, valued, I think, similarly to quarterbacks who are better. than them in Herbert and Burrough. But I don't think that Hertz is frankly a different asset class of quarterback than Kyler Murray is.

No, I agree. We have a question here that says, is the Kyler concept based on Marvin Harrison Jr.? No, it's just based on he's good. He's a 20 point per game player and he's doing it with a great tight end. Sure. But outside of that, it's just garbage in James Connor. So, and coming off, like, I don't think Kyler Murray. was as bad as maybe some of his tape or his fantasy numbers might have led you to believe

with what he was doing, but Kyla Murray was still very good coming off of an injury and probably rusty. Like we were talking about 17, 23, 20. How bad the team was before he came back and then he came back and they're basically a 500 team like that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We had set in a four-point pass to touch on league, 17, 21, 20.

there was a 12er in there against Pittsburgh, and there was a 13 and a halfer against San Francisco, but then 20, 23, 17. Like, he was still very good. And with no weapons. Like, nothing. He has McBride, tight end.

But like, um, so, okay, sorry, Kevin, here are two questions in terms of base at MHA a little bit. Like I would say if they, if they don't draft Marvin Harrison or, or neighbors or any wide receiver with their early pick,

and we're going into next season with like a Michael Wilson, Rondale Moore, wide receiver one and wide receiver two, then that's a clear differentiator from Hertz. Like that I'm saying, like, they're about the same except A.J. Brown and Devontas Smith versus nobody outside of the tight end. So it is kind of assuming that. And I mean, maybe Hertz can do it Josh Allen style,

but we don't know. So maybe. And I got to remember this is right now, right? Like we're talking about early. There's a reason we said early ADP. Sorry, Lucas. So, I mean, we're talking about startup strategies. And I know that going into a startup,

nobody wants to take a loss on what the projected ADP is versus where you drafts them. Like, you know, that doesn't feel great inside. But somebody, we mentioned them once, Anthony Richardson, he's sitting here right now, quarterback 12 he's 17 according to dLF right now in terms of ADP he's someone who i'm way more excited about value yeah but i have a feeling that there's going to be a lot more people who are in your early startups who get excited about him are we willing to wait on someone like that and hoping that

you're getting a little bit into the second round before you might have to trade up to get him or are you pulling Yeah, are you, like when do you pull the trigger on someone you're excited about who ADP might not quite have responded to yet? So it hurts from losing the value. I think I think the ADP as soon as we get out of any lag from this season where he wasn't playing games and in that matter. Like I think that my, I mean, my experience in the market is that they are pretty optimistic about young players. I expect that he'll have an ADP higher than Kyler and it'll be in this same tier. Yeah, I don't know.

I think it's fine to put him in the same tier as Kyler and Hertz. I guess I have more confidence in like the floor of Kyler and Hertz as long term NFL quarterbacks. But I would say that in, I think that the most likely scenario is that AR still has a very long future than NFL quarterback. It's just we don't know for sure. He's finished like one game in his career. Yeah. I mean, like I'm way more excited about Anthony,

that I am Trevor Lawrence, that I am Dak Prescott, that I am Tuatogavala. Like, I think that the other sort might even be better than him for fantasy next year. Maybe not Trevor Lawrence. That's the one I have the least confidence about being better than him for fantasy. He's going to be ridiculous for fantasy. Yeah. I'm excited even though his floor scares me. I mean, I don't think Richardson has a scary floor for fantasy production.

Like I think Richardson's going to contend for QB1 overall next year. I think that from a long-term perspective, we just have to see more. We barely saw anything, but I think we should be encouraged with what we saw. Yeah, but again, with that first round, especially at the back end, this is where things kind of get weird for me.

Again, we talked about how the top six, maybe the top seven, we talked about all the quarterbacks, Burrow being in there, Herbert Hertz. We talked about that. Then after that, you think Chase and Jen, Jefferson, they get a pass, wasn't their fault, et cetera. They're going to be in that next two picks probably. Because remember, it generally went.

Chase Jefferson and then Lamar Jackson was generally speaking how 7,8, 9 went. And at 10, people got uncomfortable and it got a little weird. You saw many different builds. 10 could be anything from Justin Fields to Tua, to DAC, to Bejan, to Bejan, to, insert many number of players cd lamb etc last year drafting late in the first round was super super bountiful it was great you got a lot of cd lamb bijon you got a lot of um a r lamb uh jeez bejohn d dac there's just a lot of cool combinations at the end of the first round and again i think we're there again because let's say at ten let's just say you get uh

a bejean this is before rookies are really coming in because i really think caleb's going to be a first round draft pick uh by the end of the year like richardson was one 12 so i think we're going to get that with caleb again but i think bjohn's going to be a first round draft pick so how many names did we already talk about we talked about the top we talked about we went alan well names already actually

alan mahomes hurts stroud uh burrow herbert lamar have Chase Jefferson Lamb Chase Jefferson Lamb we're at 10 and then Kyle let's go

Kyler and Richardson so that knocks out Lawrence from last year Fields from last year no he should not be and yeah I think I would suspect

So that's why you would get into a weird tool Harrison Jr. actually have higher 80Ps than Kyler Yeah I will for sure Yep I think Kyler is so good going to get looked down on. I think Tyler's going to be a value next off season.

Yeah, for sure. There'll be a guy that I will want to take. I think Caleb and I think Richardson and Caleb maybe round out that 11, 12. And then I think we're looking at Marvin and Bijan and Brees as leading off the second round. Yeah, I think that that second round is going to be absolutely nasty. This is going to be a year.

If you want to talk strategy, trade out of the first and get into the second. because if we look at some of the names, AJ Brown, we're going to talk, like we said, oh my goodness, I'm losing track. There's a lot of names. We're talking DAC.

Tua's still going to get taken in the second round, even though I don't think he should. There's space for someone like Brock Purdy to make it. Puka Nuku is going to get there. Garrett Wilson's going to get there again. And like you said, the three running backs, Gibbs, Brees, Bijon are all going to get there. Amin Ra, for sure going to be there. And then, I mean, hell, Bowers can get there.

Leporta can get there if it's a tight end premium, because we always assume it's a tight end premium, amongst other quarterbacks. So the second round is going to be kind of nasty in terms of just pure value. How far is McCaffrey falling? Is he following all the way to mid-third, or do you think he's going to be sneaking into the second. No, I think you'll get you up from the exact same spot mid third to fourth. Oh, he was never going mid third to fourth. Was he not? Not. Alias all we saw was early third. Okay, there we go.

Around the two, three. I think he'll stay around the two, three. Do you think he should stay around the two, three? I don't know. He's a one-on-one asset. Like, I mean, the thing is, I would, I'll, I'm pretty much never going to take McCaffrey, right? Start up, just because that just, like, unless he falls by a lot past as ADP. I'll never pick McCaffrey at his ADP in a startup, mostly because I just don't want to be locked into knowing what my team build has to be with the second or third pick that I make. And McCaffrey just puts you in such a specific path

of how you have to draft the rest of the room. And it kind of locks you out of the chance to pick up value. So unless I'm in a room where it's like very clear to me early on based on who I'm drafting with that everyone's going to be chasing, youth especially hard and um and mcalfrey is falling a little bit more than usual and i go okay this is the team where i'm going to lean into kind of fading that youth and i think that the value is going to be in veterans the whole way through the draft then maybe but yeah and then neutral like i i want to maintain flexibility in my first few picks and it's really hard to do that uh when you start

your draft of the 28 year old running back i'd say that there's going to be a lot of these start up so that somebody's going to get to it and Christian McCaffrey is going to be sitting on the board there and they're sending you your next like their next two first and like give me your pick right now because I want McCaffrey they probably took DAC really early in the second round as well and you know they're doing that like heavy veteran build because they're bound to determine that they're going to win it in their first year and they're going to orphan the team off when the when the league rolls over afterwards yeah it's going to happen so I'm looking forward to seeing that. How do you all feel about Jordan Love as your potential quarterback to going at the back end of the second early third? Like you're fine with that. He's somebody I'm kind of excited about because he has a lot of high upside. I feel like going into there just as like someone who might go off for high 20s, even 30 points a week. Now, he'll also give you an 11 or 10 point week in there as well. Just that's the nature of what their offense was this season. But I'm, I'm feeling pretty good at the end of the second early third potentially getting joy and love yeah that's

probably fine um can we just talk about that's probably where i'll be taking skill players like i don't know what i agree i figure this group of like love maybe maybe i'm my perception's off but if i had to guess the grouping of like all the way from like lawrence and dack and party and tua and love and who whoever else I'm missing potentially. Probably Drake May ends up in this grouping. Dean Daniels probably ends up in this grouping. If he gets the draft capital, we think he's going to get.

Like that crew will probably be going like simultaneously with the like a Caffrey and Gibbs and Amonra and AJ Brown and Wilson and Alave and all those guys. So I think that's going to be an interesting. I think that'll be the decision point in Puka. Yeah, like that'll probably be the decision point of, are you drafting a quarterback here or a position player here? I think, I mean, just based on the structure of the draft, like my guess is where those guys will go,

depending on how much I've traded out and stuff, but like I'll probably already have drafted a quarterback with my first pick when the Jordan Love and the two and them come up on the board. and I'll probably be more interested in taking like an alave or a garret Wilson at that spot. But I don't know that I'll be like, I don't think I'll be offended by Jordan Lutz ADP or anything like that. Would you rather have love or Tua? Oh, Jordan Love. At cost.

No, not at cost. Like they're going to have the same cost. Like I'm just saying, would you rather have Jordan Lover Tua? Yeah, I might say Tua. Oh, I'm going to take Jordan Love. I think Tua's, yeah. I don't even think two is on the dolphins as long as people might think you might be. I think I would take Jordan Love too.

Yeah. Also, shout out. Shout out, Jacob being pro Jordan Love at this point in the season. Yeah, that guy, the guy can sling the, what's the... He can sling the rock, chuck the mustard. Something with like the pill. I don't know. There's all these different, like, old school sayings.

Anytime I watch Jordan Love play, I want to use like old school sayings, like rip the biscuit or whatever just because he's always throwing off his back foot and slinging it. And like every Jordan love throw is a no, no, no yes throw. Yeah. There'll be a totally clean pocket and they'll throw it off his back foot for no apparent reason. You're like, that's a pick. And then it's like a dime.

At least the last six, eight weeks of the season they've always been done. So yeah, I mean, he looks sick. So hard to argue with it. Yeah. And then of course you're going to get like a weird veteran mix as well, especially into that third and fourth round. There's going to be just an insane veteran mix. because Tyree Kill is still going to be there.

What happens with Jalen Waddle now? How far does he fall? Look, for Full Tilt Dynasty podcast listeners, we warned you about round two toua. We tried to warn you, and you fought us tooth and nail in the comments section, on Twitter,

in leagues, in draft rooms, nesting doll. Like, it just, okay, keep tuning in and stay locked all off season.

but we're going to get like t higgins iukh london digs dj moore is probably going to move back up michael pitman junior re-sign there's just going to be a weird three four five in in the rounds this year that i'm just not even going to bother staring at running back at all period and it's all going to be wide receivers for me because wide receiver kind of falls off quick but then you got zay tank Nico we haven't even talked about Nico Collins yet and then

in those mid tier rounds you're going to be able to pick up a guy like will levis and in the seven eight round probably depending on who is coaches and if he keeps his job etc there's some iffy parts to deal with levis coming up here if he's still going to be the guy or not but, A, I'm not 100% sure, but we've been called crazy a couple of times.

But there's just going to be a weird set of tiers there where you're going to have to make some real decisions, and you're going to be able to make up some huge value here, just on the wide receivers alone. Haven't even really cracked tight ends, because if Travis Kelsey is still around, if he doesn't retire, which I don't think he will. But if he did, that's a big piece missing in those mid-tier rounds. Yeah. But you're going to get hits. Well, in the Hawk is going to have injury issues.

Right. And he says injury issues. So we're going to get... It looks for a second. Laporta was going to, but it sounds like he'll be fine for next time. Yeah, thank God. My Dynasty Titan one is still alive and well. But you got Leporta being him.

Kyle Pitts without Arthur Smith is going to inevitably boost his ADP up. Kincaid. Kincaid finished the year really strong. Trey McBride is the go. and then like Kittal did really well this year Hawkinson's going to become a value Jake Ferguson definitely helped his case

and Joku like we haven't even talked about tight ends there is more value in rounds 4, 5 and 6 than I have seen in recent years like we talked last year a big talking point for us for people who didn't listen

was trade your you know 4 or five, six, four, two, and three to hammer more picks at that range. And I'm early, just when I'm thinking about it, because I have not done a startup yet. I haven't done it. Not going to do it. Okay, not until we get the fantasy points leagues going. I'm not going to do it.

But early on, I'm just getting a real strong vibe about how strong rounds four, five, six, even into seven are going to be. I think they're going to be very strong, and I think there are some obvious landmines that you can let your teammates fall on, especially early in ADP. So just throwing out a hypothetical here, because I'm looking at the round 7 through 8

and trying to think who's going to move up the most. I think that there's definitely a scenario this off season where Atlanta is a dark horse to send an RG3 type offer to move up to get first overall to get a franchise quarterback to pair with all their young skill positions. I don't think the bears aren't going to just click Caleb Williams. I think there's a... We'll see.

What odds? Let's do this right now. What's everybody's odds on, let's say, um, bears click Williams. Bears take May. Bears take Marvin Harrison. Bears trade back. If I had to put money on anything right now, it's bears trade back.

Ah, you're a moron. So, so... Okay. That's, do we say all the time on the show that we make this, or we think about teams trying to act rationally? That's a soccer bat. And they never act rationally. That's such a soccer bat. How is that the sucker bet?

That's the easy money bet. No, that's not. I'll put, okay, I'll bet you $100 right now on air that they take a quarterback at one. You know what, $100. Let's do it. Let's do it. We'll do it. We'll do it.

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, my God. I don't think it's 100% lot. I'm going to say it's, I'm going to say it's 60% chance they take Caleb, 20% chance they take May, 5% chance they take Harrison, and 15% chance they trade back. I think that if somebody comes to them with a three first offer, that it's going to be really tough for them to turn it down. That's what I have been tough. Someone's going to come with them with a three first offer. I think they take it.

I think they take it. So I said the same thing. I think if they get an RG3 offer, I think that it could benefit to take them depending on where that other pick is. Like if it's 3, 4, 5, like if somebody who desperately moves up 3, 4, 5, like, I don't think it's going to be the Cardinals.

I don't think they have to. I think the whole Kyler's going to get cut or traded thing was complete bullshit. I called it as much when it was happening, but the commanders could come up. I think there's a bunch of teams that could come up. The Giants could come up. New England could come up.

I think there's a bunch of teams that could potentially come up. And if it's within those first three or four picks. I think they could be content with Drake May. I think they could be content with if they're stacking three first round picks this year somehow. You're not very down and getting May unless Washington does a two to one. I just think there's, yes, that's actually possible and then I would lose the bet, but that's like, uh, that doesn't. It's, I know it's slim, but we've, it's, it's, it has been done before. What I'm saying is there are some other options for them if they want to take another young quarterback in the draft, not saying this is the right thing to do, go grab a tackle and then go

grab a receiver and walk out of that feeling good about themselves and a complete rebuilds it. But it would take a God offer. It would take the RG3-esque offer for them to do it. Don't think it's what they're going to do, especially what they have another first round pick they can trade back from. Look, I get there's some people that actually think that they should trade back. I just, I'm seeing so many people in the chat, so many people on Twitter and like Lucas just said it.

Like, so many people are just saying like, I don't think they should. should do this, but I think if they will do this, and it's like, I, I don't know. I think when you have a bunch of people being like, I think this team is going to act irrationally, like, I'm not saying it's impossible they're going to act irrationally, but I don't think that the most likely scenario, unless we're eventually given information, like obviously if a report comes out like a legitimate report or the bears come out and say stuff, like, we'll see. But like right now, everything is just rumors and speculation.

Right. And I think the most likely scenario is. that they're going to not be morons. All right. So just to clarify this a little bit right now, if they take any quarterback at 101, Jacob wins. I'm not going to stake my bet on which quarterback they take. If they trade back, I win.

If they take MHJ at 101, then- You win that too. Oh, I went that too? I was going to say, then we would walk away smiling and laughing because that's wild. Oh, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. I'll give you that too. I get Caleb May and, I'm not going to take anybody else, but theoretically, if they took Bonex or whatever, won, then I win.

So I'm looking, though, at somebody who can really skyrocket up the board. And I think Kyle Pitts is a perfect example of that. Like right now, he's sitting almost in the 80s with how far down he is. I think he could be a mid-30s pick potentially whenever, like the normal people are doing startups, whether that is. Damn, you pivoted really fast. You got the outcome from Jacob on like how you win that $100 and you shifted gears faster than the guys at top gear when they get in a Lamborghini. You were like, nope, confirmed when I get the $100, boom. Kyle Pitts is around 80, 80.

Like there was no break in your state. You went, you had me. Okay, remember my autism, right? It takes a few minutes for me to readjust. You went from without a break in wind. you just carried on to now Kyle Pitts is around 80 pick that could go into the mid 30s. Like, I just wanted to shout out that transition because it took me a minute to realize that what you were saying had nothing to do with the bet. Like, you just, you switched on that so fast.

And in my mind it still does, because I'm, I would love it just from a pure chaos. but also pure excitement standpoint to see someone like Atlanta trade up for 101. See Caleb Williams there. I mean, I would love it for Atlanta to do that. Yeah. Like that would be so much fun. I would,

that's easy. How would Tom Lee feel about that as our resident Falcons fan? I think you would awesome. I think you would come back. I think you would come back to the walk about for that. If I was Atlanta, I don't give a crap what the offer is. If the Bears allow me to move up to one and get Caleb Williams,

I'll give them every single draft pack in this year's class and every single draft pick in next year's class. Yeah, I mean, it makes, like a Ricky Williams offer. And I'll give them a player too. Like, who cares? Like, I think that that's just, that's the most fun way after going through three years of author Smith. Like, that would be amazing.

Like, we deserve this as a fan. They're going to hire Bill Belichick and they're going to sign Jimmy Garvey. one enjoy why just just why why are you even putting that out into the universe just so we have to hear it we have to deal with that we have to think about that i love this i love this go fund me for Atlanta to trade up to 101 i mean i'll you got my hundred i put my hundred in it does make so much sense it really does but you know who else it makes sense for to pick at one the bears and in turn in turn in turn right the the fields in Atlanta thing Fields has been and look I've tried to like stay away from this discourse

he's just not been a great quarterback it if you're going to get Fields right it's probably going to cost you a second round pick let's say if it were Atlanta it would be 208 right in the draft yeah if they do draft you're right if they draft a quarterback you're going to have to get rid of him so maybe you draft him for a third or trade him for a third i don't hate that actually but he's he also would need to be attached to not bill bellichick right like he would need to be attached to someone like like i get the demico ryan's worked out for stroud i i get that demico ryan's worked out for stroud but i am very much team well yeah i know i'm definitely team note not a defensive coordinator like iber flufs for a young quarterback

that needs to be developed, right? Go and pay Ben Johnson is $15 million a year to leave Detroit or whatever it actually is going to cost and then go make a move like that. That, to me, you're right. I think that does make the most sense, and I think that would be fine, but he's still just a mid-quarterback.

Like, I'm not, like, I'd always rather the offensive coach higher, but, like, there are tears to the defensive team. coach hires, right? Like, you go hire 36-year-old Mike McDonald, and it's like, okay, like, I have some level of faith that he would then go out of his way to hire like a young, progressive, interesting offensive coordinator. Right. You hire Bill Belichick, like, it's over for your offense until he's fired. Like, he's actively hostile to offense. Like, the man hired Matt Patricia to coordinate his offense. And then it had to be forced to hire a real offensive coordinator, which his response to that was Bill.

O'Brien. So like whatever team signs or hires Bill Belichick, like I have grave concerns about the offense of that team. Whereas like a Mike McDonald's like, okay, wait and see who they hire is the offensive coordinator. You know, like I wouldn't be like overly dispirited if that's the hire. Or same with Rahim Morris. Like these like younger defensive coordinators that aren't Bill Belichick, like I'd be, I'd rather have Ben Johnson. But I'm not I'm not writing. off the possibility that offense emanates from their team. I will say, if the Falcons do end up with Caleb Williams, I'm taking that $100 I just won from the bet and getting it for Falcons, Caleb Williams helmet.

It'll go back here. I'll make sure it's extremely visible on every single show that I do from here on until I start doing shows. I don't care how much more I have to throw on top of that to get it. It'll be worth every penny. Okay. I just I want I want fun things man that's that's what we really want and the people who are doing their startup drafts right now one you all are delinquents and there's other things in life than just doing startup drafts but you're also doing it because you really enjoy it you're having fun with it and

this is fun it's fun you were talking about all the wide receivers though especially yeah or five six game back on topic a little bit thank you there is a little bit of a lull going into the seventh and eighth round where it seems like there's a lot of veterans there who I'm just I'm just not excited about now you might get a value in someone like Terry McCorren who's falling down the board and nobody really likes but there's someone like Calvin Ridley sing there not huge fan Marquis Brown that's at the very tail end not a huge fan there Chris Godwin so there's some ways that you can talk yourself into drafting these wide receivers but I much rather be hammering the running backs

there. Not me. particular portion. Well, like, you have Taji Spears who's going in the same spot. Isaiah Pacheco is going about the same range. Whenever Tijey Spears' ADP shows up as, forget about that. Because that's ancient history. That guy's

that guy's ADP moves up faster than the price of gas. Yeah. That guy's going to be like a fifth round pick. He's already, he's already being, he's already being discussed should I trade rookie 110, 19, for him. in places now. Honestly, I'm fine with gang Austin Ecclier in the eighth round.

Oh, miss me with that. Eighth round? I'm fine with that. Hey, how about Jaylon Warren or Chris Godwin? Neither. I would find hilariously somebody better than that. There's going to be a rookie that falls into that spot, and I will just draft them. This is without rookie consideration. Sure. I would just take a kicker. Because we talked, if it's not that, it would be in the placehold of rookies at the very beginning of this.

I would just take the kicker. I just, I would, I just would. Like, you're going to get guys like Will Levis there. I'll just take Will Levis. Right. There's going to be, there's going to be like a Michael Mayer somewhere in that eighth round. I'll just take him.

Right. Like, Okay. There is going to be a ton of, a ton of value there, but I'm not taking the running backs. Like I said, outside of those top three,

even four with Taylor, who we have completely just skipped over today, because maybe I've just tailored out at this point, but he has my dynasty RB5. So he's definitely going to be in those top four rounds. Oh, for sure. I'm just not taking the running backs, right? I'm not going to draft McCaffrey, E.T.N.

And this is me saying it to myself. McCaffrey, E.T.N. Walker will draft A. Chan. So I kind of lied. But Barclay, Jacobs, White, Pollard, Cook, Javante. Like, I'm not drafting these guys. Maybe Kairn, but Kairn's another guy that's going to be in that fourth and fifth round. Too much value is going to get pushed down for me to take guys like Chris Godwin. It's just there's too much value you're going to get pushed down.

So is Will Leves. Sorry, go ahead, Jacob. Oh, just it'll be really interesting with the running backs. Like, I mean, we've been talking about it, but the draft class is really poor. And so I think the way to attack that is probably like, you know, it's probably taking a lot of shots at running backs that people perceive to be fragile. Right. So I think like some of these guys are. going to bust out, they're going to get replaced, or they're just not going to be good or whatever.

But I definitely intend to be, maybe the ADP makes us prohibitive, but at least going into the offseason, I will want to be overweight on the like Rashad White, Tyrone Williams, Tai J. Spears, Isaiah Pacheco, James Cook, like, whatever. Think of a running back that's like a incumbent with theoretical risk to them. Like, I would want to be overweight that group collectively. And so if I'm looking at it from the context of a startup, like probably want to save some bullets for that tier of running backs. But we'll see.

Like I'm going to have to get into the startup weeds more and get a feel for what pockets I want to draft in because it's so hard because you don't know what your team is. And then it's almost like the first couple startups I do. It's like we're kind of shooting blind. And then we start looking at, all right, I like my team's a lot better when I'm taking wide receivers earlier. I like my team's a lot better when I'm taking wide receivers earlier. better on taking running backs early. It's just, it's hard to say right now.

I think it's also important to remember by saying that this is early. People loathe running backs at this time of the year. So running back ADP is going to sink right now. So to Jacob's point, maybe right now is the time to be drafting them because you're going to see guys fall to the 6, 7, 8th that realistically maybe shouldn't. There's going to obviously be the hype ones, the league winners, the Kieran Williams, et cetera, that are going to move up. A. Chan is going to move up, but I think he's right in terms of, like, the whites who's going to just have, like, a constant stink on him. Kenneth Walker, Barkley, Cook.

There's just going to be some guys that have perpetual stink on them at this time of year from the anti-R-B crowd. Like, remove the RB spot from fantasy folks are going to push that. I mean, I think maybe, so I think you can make a decent case for the Barclays. And I think, like, you can also, especially late in drafts, If you want to draft like James Connors and Aaron Joneses and Joe Mix and some stuff, like I think that's reasonable. I think the ones that are a little bit more interesting to me is just like those guys,

I don't know, are going to see like the value rise over the off season as much because I think it's more just like, oh, they're old. But I do think there's like a lot of potential for those younger guys to be profitable picks before the season even starts, where if you can get them in February, in March into your portfolio when I think people see them as a little bit fragile. I think most of them are going to survive free agency in the draft, more than this type of running back normally would in a normal year where the draft class was better.

And then come July and August, I think those will be the picks that you look back on your startups and say like, oh man, like what a bargain. That guy who's on the seventh is now going in the fourth. And then you can do what you want with those guys. I'm not so sure I'll be very interested. I mean, so I don't, I wouldn't pick like one individual to time the market with because I think each of them is volatile. But I do think just as an asset class, I think that those young, fragile running backs are going to probably be valued higher collectively in the late summer than they will in the early spring. That is a good point.

Do you have a favorite? So when I'm talking about running backs, there's definitely players that, I think you're right, mid-age plus previous production, et cetera. They're going to turn out to be more valuable later than they are now. And it's going to be crazy for me to say this into a microphone, but like, Naji Harris in the 10th round, right? Naji Harris in the 11th round for 240 touches. I think that's a totally fine bet to make with years left on the contract, etc.

I think that's a fine bet to make for his production. And then guys like Kendra Miller, like the, The low-tier sophomore running backs that didn't have a great run are going to be a lot of my favorite bulletin shots to take because it looked good when he played towards the end of the year, etc. Cap-Pel, there's ambiguity there. And, oh, my God, I couldn't even say the word right, but it can be, there's a path to it being ambiguous. Jesus Christ, can't even speak at this point. But I think those two are going to be two of my favorites because they're going to go way later than I think. their production is going to show like round five round six nausea bad round 10 round 11

nausea more than fine especially if you've just punted the position completely so keaton mitchell and and nashy are like my two favorites that are going to kind of be like we're ever going to do anything in the nfl again though like keith mitchell sorry kendry miller kendry miller sorry i forgot not keith mitchell but kendry miller like jerome board is going to move up it's one of my favorite best this whole offseason if he didn't shred his leg. Yeah, absolutely. He would have been perfect. But the guys like Jerome Ford,

he's going to be kind of ambiguous. Yeah, I think he's, Aaron Jones. Like, I think you're right, Lucas, and that there's going to be running backs to take in the fifth round. I just don't think it's those ones

that I want to place my money on. So I was saying, like, the seventh, eighth, whenever, like, all the wide receivers I'm really excited about are gone. I'm okay then going after some of these running backs who you know you're not excited about but they're going to be fine they're going to be r b2s i'm good with going there i think you all outline like kindra miller's probably the last running back on the board who i'm like i feel okay about like he gets me a little bit excited

before i'm just hammering rookies after that i don't think a ton of rookies are going to be ranked above kindra miller but we'll see after the draft there's going to be people who are really excited about some landing spots but that's then where I'm okay with stacking some burkeys on my roster and hoping that something breaks for me there. I think there's more. I think there's like Chase Brown. I think that he's going to be a fantastic bet to make and he's not going to cost you much. There's just other good bets.

I mean, Devin Singletary is going to be a good bet to make later, right? Like, he's, I truly believe. Higher up than Kendrae Miller. That's, yeah, I think that it's totally going to be dependent on whether or not he comes back. and I know that he said he wants to come back, but I definitely want a yacht, but if I called them and asked for one, they may not give it to me.

Devin Singletary says he'd like to be back. Lost Jacob for a minute. Devin Singletary likes to be back, but of course he wants to be back because, hey, team, the only team that was about to give me 85% of the touches, I'd like to come back now.

No shit. I just think there's going to be other bets, man, and especially with the running back landscape it is, And I think there's going to be the same thing for wide receivers. I was very much team not Ridley last year. And I think there's going to be more situations like that. Wide receiver is quite often the most replaceable spot for production. I think guys like Devonte Adams are going to fall.

Cooper Cup is going to fall. If you're talking about your wide receiver two or three on your team, Amari Cooper, even though he was absolutely goaded this year, people are going to really move up Rashie Rice. guys that Keenan Allen are going to continue to fall. George Pickens, I don't know what's going to happen with. There's just guys very deep at the position as we get Jacob back and we bring him in. That maybe you're right.

Maybe I was a little too quick to be dismissive. But I think there's going to be even better wide receiver values at 7, 8, 9, 10. with some of these guys getting pushed out and then rookies coming in. It happens every year, right? What happens with Mike Evans? What happens with Calvin Ridley? What happens with Cooper Cup? Like, it's going to be a weird offseason,

and maybe it is beneficial to start now. I don't have it in me to do, but, I mean, we'll see. I mean, we'll truly see. But, yeah, I think some closing thoughts here on the draft strategy. For me, as we get in, this is just a little preview, right? We're obviously getting into more of this, especially on Dynasty Points Market Report, which again records tomorrow. And we'll be out Thursday or Friday as this podcast when you're listening to it. We'll be out a day after we do this live, which, by the way, watch live.

You know, there's a little bit extra in there for you. I think that the, again, it's going to be tradeback season. I think everyone's kind of caught up to that. I think there's some opportunity to take some more six, seventh, eighth rounders than in years past. And I think that the third, fourth, and fifth round is going to be there's a ton of gold there. I think you can feel comfortable about moving out of those one and two spots and still coming out just fine. I think the biggest surprise for me is going to come in round three. I think more extremely valuable quarterbacks are going to go in round three than people are ready for.

Guys like Purdy, et cetera. I think that tier, you're going to see them going round three because they're not exciting. So don't be afraid to smash those wide receivers and maybe one of them young stud running backs in that second round. Don't be afraid this year. Jacob, final thoughts? Fun season, great season. If you're thinking about thinking, folks, you'll get an article. I'm just kind of waiting to get a better gauge of ownership projections, and then I'm going to write up my thoughts on the FFPC Playoff Challenge.

You will get an updated dynasty rankings, and then you will get my written version of the stuff I got wrong, stuff I got right, process review stuff. Then we'll probably that'll all be this week, next week, maybe a week after, and then we'll probably hibernate for a few weeks, and then we'll start coming back. And yeah, I mean, for folks that started up with me last year, that's kind of when Figma thing started was in late February, early March. So we'll be alternating between some more evergreen dynasty strategy stuff and some rookie content. It will be back and forth between the two. So excited for all that. We'll probably bring back sweat and bolt at some point.

We kind of went on a holiday break. I think we'll probably stay on a break for roughly the same time period that you've been doing this. but you'll probably get some sporadic episodes of that throughout the offseason. And then, yeah, for that's it. That's it. I just want to make sure that when you put like, you know, Jordan Love and your potentially got wrong, just like Tom was first.

I think that like just like a little, you know, just. The comment section was first, but you were second. Okay, fair. Fair. Yeah, it's true. I was right there. I started, I started that, though. I fucking, I started that right there on this program.

Hey, look, obviously some hits are going to hit and some misses are going to miss. We do do that every year, by the way, for people thinking that we're just sitting here, patting ourselves on the back. We do have shows dedicated in the offseason to how absolutely brutal some of our takes are. Don't worry. That's going to come back. Lucas, you have some pretty cool stuff coming as well. Final thoughts, and let's talk that for a minute. So, yeah, tomorrow night we are doing a show with fans.

C. C. Mr. Josh Chivalier, correct? If I said his last name wrong. Chevalier is correct. The lead of college content. Yeah. So really, really excited about that. We are doing a Devy mock tomorrow night.

It is going to be a projected Devy mock with what the startup class is going to look like. We're going to have some assumed declares in there. We'll see if Treviont Henderson makes it into a draft or not. Right now, he's going to be right? He's declaring. He's declaring. There's no way he's not declaring with John. Adkins transferring there.

Yeah, which is going to be wild. Aside from our Devi mock draft tomorrow night throughout the offseason, we're going to have some recaps on everything that's been going on since essentially the transfer portal opened all the way through National Signing Day, through the bowl games, and now national championship. So we have a ton to recap as well as doing our mocks. We'll probably do some wrap-ups on what the 2024 rookie class looks like from our Devey perspective people were excited for before that's of course passed on to this show and yeah really really

excited we also have some giveaway stuff so make sure you tune in to that show tomorrow night for us to announce that that i believe we're going to do it live there may also be a non-live version released later on where we'll try some things out but really really excited about that excited to interact with more of the fantasy points crowd so make sure you tune in look if you you You are a fan of college football and Devi content. That is something not currently provided by FancyPoints.com. You're going to want to tune in to the Full Tilt DeviPod over on the Full Tilt YouTube channel. When Josh is on, we might do it live here.

Not 100% sure on that, but you're going to want to tune in fantastic college and Devy content in a field where there's just not enough of that content. Speaking of giveaways, before we get out here, I just want to point out we mentioned C.J. Stroud rookie card has arrived in my house and we are planning out the giveaway. On top of that, the Kyron Williams league winner signed Rams jersey has also arrived at my house. We're planning that giveaway. And for the third giveaway, we have a signed Kelly Green, Michael Vic jersey that has arrived at my house and we are planning that giveaway. Last year's winners, if you have not claimed it and you have not DM'd me from the full tilt giveaways, now is your time. Do so. Okay? Because at some point, the stuff that is in my house right now must leave it.

So please, before my fiance murders me, please, so far only four people have reached out and we have more than that. So please, I'll post again, get back to me. Aside from that, remember, Dynasty Points Market Report, the second Dynasty Points show weekly is getting recorded tomorrow. That will be out. This show specifically takes a hiatus until the 27th of February. It's going to be a break. But don't worry, the Dynasty content and the Devi content does not stop here at FantasyPoint.com. one thing we did not mention real quick and I want to do it and I actually completely forgot

so this is going to be a little bonus portion for anyone that's stuck around the Super Bowl predictions at the start of the year so far Jacob is the only one oh no not really Lucas has a realistic possibility as well I had Bengals 27 Eagles 23

that's for sure not happening with the Bengals Jacob you had Ravens they're soft than the Eagles do yeah the Eagles are losing to Baker Mayfield and the bucks. It's just going to happen. Jacob had 30, Ravens 38, Cowboys 31.

Very possible. I hope the Ravens get the Cowboys because, man, they're just going to run it straight down their 200-pound linebackers' throats, and I'm going to thrive. And Lucas, you had the Bill's 38, the Eagles 35. Bills are the scariest team in the playoffs for me. They are terrifying. They are dead to rights.

Right. So does anyone want to do a redo? Does anyone want to do a redo? Like if I was picking today, I would just pick the Ravens and 49ers, but I'm not going to do a redo. I have a realistic enough chance that I don't think it's worth sacrificing the chance of getting it right in the preseason by backing out now. So do I actually think the Cowboys have the best chance to get out of the NFC? No, but I definitely think that they could. so I'm not going to sacrifice my

Nostradamus equity by pivoting to the 49ers of this juncture. I appreciate that. You're sticking to it at a principal. You're a man of principle. I respect that. Lucas redo or are you just? You know what? I'm going to maintain it.

I don't feel great with the Eagles being in there, but I'm feeling really good about the bills and I didn't feel good about them for a very long time. they're probably aside from the Ravens probably the hottest team in the NFL right now so really really excited about going to maintain it

3835 bills I hope I pronounce this name right I'm probably going to fuck it up so I apologize but I kind of like Shadrack Abaki's pick Ravens 33 Rams 24 let me know if I said that right because I will get it right I'm big on that I will eventually get it right

look I'm I'm going I would love if the Rams made the Super Bowl. That would make you very happy. I am going to go a little different direction. I am going to go Browns and Niners, and I have the Niners winning, and I'll call that game 2824.

Are they going to keep the lights on this time? You kind of nailed that name. name brother hey let's go i can read those but i can't i can't read the alphabet but i'm i'm good at names that might confuse um you know people with my pigment so that's good can we do picks can we do picks quick uh let's just do the whole bracket here so i got oh okay you want to do the bracket well yeah it's just at least this week so this week um i'm picking let's see uh we're honestly it's hard There's only two games that I feel like very confident about. Okay.

I'm going to pick the... Do aFC first. Yeah. I'm going to pick the Texans. Okay. And I'm going to pick... I've been going back and forth of the Miami-Kansas City game the entire week,

so I don't even know that what I say now is going to be what I actually feel by the time we get to it. But as of today, I'm picking Miami. Then... I'm taking Buffalo, obviously. And then I'm going to take the cowboys. I'm going to take the Rams, and I'm going to take the box.

Okay. I don't hate that at all. Lucas. So I'm going to go with Brown's Chiefs, Bills, and then going with Dallas, Detroit, and Philadelphia. Yeah, I know it's pretty much shock. Oh, I'm Lucas. I took six favorites.

That's fine. Okay, I'm taking Buffalo for sure. I think... Yeah, come on, people. I'm taking Miami. Have some risk. Take the Steelers. Come on.

I'm taking... No, no one's taking the Steelers, especially if T.J. Watts not playing them. No. The Mason Rudolph train has to end at some point, and it ends in Buffalo. I'll take Buffalo. I'll take Miami,

and I will take Cleveland. I will take Tampa. I will take the Rams and I will take Green Bay in the NFC side. Green Bay. Wow. I'm taking Green Bay. Dallas cannot stop the run and all

look all Green Bay has to do is go where's Cid Lam because Dakota Prescott refuses to look anywhere else. And that's been a good strategy. Yeah and I think I think it's totally fair but I think without

some help the Cowboys struggle against teams that are good, especially away from home. So give me Green Bay. Away from home. Sorry, they're at home. Sorry, I messed that up.

I'm thinking the, I'm in Philly and Tampa Bay mode. They just struggle against any team that's good. I mean, they beat Detroit. They beat Philly. Like that. Are they good?

I mean, if, I don't know if Philly is good. Detroit's good. I still think the Rams are going to be Detroit. I want so bad for the time. I think the Rams are going to beat. Detroit, too, but that's saying the Rams are good.

I mean, if Detroit's not good, then that's like saying if there's like four good teams or something, which is possible. Okay, I get that. I get that. I don't, I don't, like death taxes and Dallas losing in the first round, especially to Green Bay, I think is. You said yourself that you're betting against Dallas a long time ago when it came to the first round. Well, I thought, I thought the Eagles were going to win the division, and I thought Dallas is going to have to travel. and I think Dallas, I don't trust Dallas whatsoever on the road. And I think that, like, as much as I'm sticking by the Dallas Super Bowl pick that I made preseason, like, I think they're pretty dead if they have to travel to San Francisco.

But if somehow someone else can knock off San Francisco for them and they don't have to play a road game, then I don't think anyone's beating them in Dallas. Fair. Okay. I'm still taking Green Bay. and then I guess you won't be here for the second round. We have our Super Bowl picks, so I don't think that second round will matter in the end. I'll take the 49ers in Dallas to win in the second round, and I'll take Baltimore and Buffalo to win

because I'm going to be a chicken after some of the fun. Upsets. Oh, look, he's only taking the favorites. And then I'll take more than, I mean, I guess, like I said, I'm sticking with Dallas for I pick for the bit, but like I would give them a very small chance to beat San Francisco. And then I'll take Baltimore with football. I thought I'm sticking with regardless.

Okay. Yeah, I think Baltimore would lose the Cleveland. I think they would beat Houston. So they're not going to lose to Cleveland. I think they, look, I watch this pair of his part right now for that. I think Baltimore. Hey, no one said the Raven would lose to Tennessee in 2019, except for me. So there you go.

I think Baltimore is, I think, I think Buffalo is very live to be. Terrifying. But I also think Buffalo is live to lose to literally anyone. Like they, they just play such a ridiculous, like, no one can stop them, but they can stop them. So it's just a matter of, like, Buffalo, well, like, I don't think any defense can stop the Buffalo offense, but I think the Buffalo offense is very capable of stopping the Buffalo offense. So it's just a matter of like, I could so easily see Buffalo, like, blowing a, a game to not the Steelers, but to any of the other, like, the FC teams that are clearly worse than them.

And I can also see them knocking off Baltimore and Baltimore. Like, anything is on the table every time the bills take the field. If they had gotten anyone other than the Steelers, like if they'd even gotten a semi-serious opponent, like if it was like the Jags or whatever, I would be like, Buffalo is way better than this team and they could easily lose. I think we have varying opinions on how serious the Jags are as a football team. Unserious, but more serious than Pittsburgh.

Fair. Hey, although Mason Rudolph, been on a heater, been on a heater. Just saying, franchise quarterback, Mason Rudolph. Right? Anyone? No? Okay. Do you think that this year's Steelers are the worst team to ever make the NFL playoffs?

No. Yeah. No, actually, no. I actually think if we're going to talk of the worst team to make the playoffs, I'd still call it Tampa Bay. That division is so horrendous. And they won 9-0 against Carolina? Yeah.

I'm taking Chumpabay lost to the New England Patriots and the Arizona Cardinals and back-to-back weeks at home Yeah that's good time And somehow still make the playoffs after that's a really good point Because of franchise quarterback

Mason Rudolph That's why they did it I will say I am adopting the Lions Just to Get out It hurt more I just I'm rooting for them

My I so badly want them to Just win at least one play off game. I have one super like the strongest take I have for this playoffs that Baltimore won't get eliminated this weekend. My number two strongest take is that the Rams are beating Detroit in Detroit. Yeah, I don't know that's going to happen on that game. Like I think that the Rams are like the classic they for bat where it's like, oh like there's this like trendy team that everybody likes and they're hot and they're going on the road versus a team that's been like

clearly better than them all year. And yet I'm, I'm going to take it. And yet I'm going to take It strikes me completely This reminds me of like the San Francisco I have a reason Where I was like I think that it's a sucker bat But I also just think they're gonna win And that's how I feel about this game My reason is that golf turns into a pumpkin under pressure

And no one can block Aaron Donald And the rest of their pass rush has been good And the Rams are healthy Like they are healthy We're talking about Jameson Williams Who not only sucks But was held out of the last week Reynolds got hurt

Laporta got hurt. Rams can stop the run, and you're telling me that in a revenge game, where the Lions have banned Stafford jerseys from what I read today, did not look into that if it was true or not. It is. You're telling me that Matt Stafford

isn't walking back into Detroit as a Super Bowl champion and throwing for 500 yards against a wishy-washy past defense with the best rookie wider receiver the NFL has ever seen and a healthy Cooper Cup. just healthy and McVeigh is in his bag.

Rams can run the ball. They can score with anyone. They can turn the ball over and they do the one thing that can make Jared Gough turn back into a pumpkin. Pressure him right in his face with the greatest interior defensive lineman the NFL has ever seen.

I just think the writing is there for a classic golf meltdown game. Oh, I love that. And I love there's nothing I love more than watching. Right? Let's let's go! It's going to happen. And Stafford's coming in. Oh, I agree.

I'm picking the Rams in this game. But I'm like doing it like, I'm just being on principle. I'm never taking, I'm never taking Jared Gough over Matthew Stafford. Like it's just, I'm not going to do that. I have like some principles. That's why I keep going back and forth over this freaking Kansas City, Miami games. Because I think the chiefs side. Can't cover grass.

They can't cover the turf. I think that the chiefs are a deeply unsurious team. Yes. I think that they are not long for this playoffs. I don't think that they're any good at all. I don't think there's a switch to be flipped. I think they just are an incompetent offensive operation. And I also refuse to pick to a fucking tug of Aloha

in a game that's going to be like minus 19 with the windchill. So I don't know who to pick. I want to pick against both these loser teams. So I think, so I picked Miami, but again, I think Kansas City's path to victory is the same thing as the Rams, aside from the Rams offense just being better.

Chris Jones can single-handedly win them that game. The Miami Center is one of the worst players I've ever watched play football. ball and chris jones could just decide to absolutely disrupt that game stonkin carloftus and again no pass rush from miami there is none they're they're they're all out you've got one outside linebacker they had melvin gordon in coverage on running backs it's embarrassing the only thing that i can say for the miam from miami side it's like i all their injuries are mostly on defense their offense is going to be presumably healthy assuming most certain wall of play um i re revenge game at all But Chief's secondary is better than their run defense.

They're vulnerable against the run. And I think that Miami can just pound H.N. and most are like 20 times each in a really cold game and have legitimate success. And like, I don't know. Cold games for players that play in the heat bad for hamstrings. Gingeries even matter against the Chief's offense. Like this is? No. Can they do anything?

No. I don't know. They're just, they're the worst watch in the NFL. They have the best, they have one of the best players in NFL history and the worst watch in the entire NFL. It's just so fron. Two, two of the best players in NFL history. Thank you very much.

We will not respect Lord Kelsey. Yeah, I think you're right. I want to see Miami. This is, this is a hell of a bonus, like, section we've got going on right now. But can I just say that watching Miami run a total of three plays every week, pisses me off. They ran that counter tray toss

into oblivion, even when it wasn't working, and the linebackers were just shooting the gap and ran nothing off of it. They run that Tyreek Hill swing motion post sit, and then nothing else. It's so aggravating the watch. And like Tua's ball leaving his hand

is just like one of the slowest ducky-ish passes I've ever watched. Watching Tua play in minus 19 with the windshield is going to be an absolute privilege. Right. And that's why I took Miami, but... That ball's going to flutter. All it's going to take... I took Miami when we went through the bracket,

but all it's going to take is a classic Mahomes game. If Mahomes can just, like, be Mahomes for one week and not... If they can just not give the ball to the opposing team two times in a row for touchdowns inside their own 10-yard line, they'll be fine. I just want them to be serious. want the chiefs to win no punting after the 45 like like look i mean everybody knows my thoughts on tua i don't want him to win a playoff game i don't want his fans to feel vindicated i want him to perform exceptions and look like shit um but i i don't know i don't i have no faith in the chiefs

to be serious whatsoever they're are unserious team so i'm i'm begging them to be serious but i don't want to put my faith in it i don't want to i don't want to get hurt in this game that's why i'm taking I'm taking Miami as an emotional hedge. An emotional hedge to take Miami. Oh, that's sick, man. I can tell you, I don't want Baltimore to see Buffalo at all this playoffs. So a miracle needs to happen sometime because I don't want to see it. We've been out here.

Baltimore is winning the Super Bowl this year. Don't worry about it. I can't do that. I can't accept it. I can't do it. Not until it actually happened. I can't do it. I hope so.

I really hope so. We're not going to see each other until, well, the 27th. that's just after I think the week after the Super Bowl so we'll be able to talk about it when we get back we're at an hour and a half that was a crazy ass bonus but I loved every minute of it this is a fantasy podcast but anytime we get to talk fucking high tea football on this show I'm all about it about it I appreciate everyone watch out for the market report check out the devi show lots of stuff happening fantasy points dot com and the dynasty community We're here for you this year more than ever before.

From myself, for Jacob, for Lucas. Thanks for watching. And remember that clear eyes, full hearts can never lose. And your best days are always bent tilting. Good night, everybody.