Fantasy Football Daily - Dynasty Rookie Draft Strategy to WIN Your League W/ Shawn Siegele

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

🎙️ Dynasty Life with Theo Gremminger welcomes Shawn Siegele for a loaded episode on post-draft rookie draft strategy, rankings debates, and trade philosophy — all with that classic Zero RB edge. We covered: • Who is the 1.02 in rookie drafts?! Breaking down the tier after Jeanty and why the answer isn’t as obvious as it seems 🤔 • Theo’s high-stakes trade in FFPC ($500, Single QB):  — Side A: Jaylen Waddle + 1.11 + 2026 1st  — Side B: Tet McMillan + 2026 2nd + 2026 3rd  Was it sharp? Overpay? Value pivot? We break it all down 🧮 • Prospect Spotlights:  — RJ Harvey and Jayden Higgins 📊  — OTC Showdown: Luther Burden vs. Emeka Egbuka ⚖️  — TE Talk: Tyler Warren vs. Colston Loveland 🧵  — RB Faceoff: Cam Skattebo vs. Bhayshul Tuten, and where Kaleb Johnson belongs on your board 💥 • Rankings Talk:  — Why is Shawn lower than Theo on Jack Bech and Elijah Arroyo? 👀 • Risers & Sleepers:  Royals, Bryant, Blue, Brashard Smith, and Jarquez Hunter — who’s surging, who’s stashing 🔎 • “Reroll” Scenarios:  — Ladd McConkey vs. Tet McMillan  — Marvin Harrison Jr. vs. Travis Hunter  — Cam Ward vs. C.J. Stroud 🎲 • Buy/Sell Bears Edition: DJ Moore or Rome Odunze — who are you betting on in Chicago? 🐻 • Bonus Round: One older, mispriced vet who can help you win in 2025 🧓💪 This is next-level dynasty thinking — perfect for anyone looking to exploit inefficiencies and stay steps ahead in rookie drafts. Where to find us: ⁠⁠http://twitter.com/FF_Contrarian ⁠⁠http://twitter.com/TheOGFantasy⁠⁠ Join the Discord here: ⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/discord#/⁠⁠ Find Our Podcasts here: ⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts#/⁠⁠ Subscribe to Fantasy Points for FREE: ⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/⁠⁠ Fantasy Points Website - ⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com⁠⁠ NEW! Data Suite - ⁠⁠https://data.fantasypoints.com⁠⁠ Twitter - ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠ Facebook - ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠ Instagram - ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠ TikTok - ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fantasypts⁠⁠ #fantasypoints #nfl #fantasyfootball #dynastyfantasyfootball #FantasyFootballAdvice #dynastypoints #dynasty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Some of them have them, you know, two weeks from now. But we're generally in that time of year. Really excited to be joined today by Sean Siegel of RotoViz. We're going to collectively try to combine the powers of fantasy points and RotoViz to help you absolutely crush all of your dynasty rookie drafts. Sean, how are you doing today? Good. I mean, as you kind of mentioned to me as we were chatting before we started, Ben and I did like seven hours live during the draft.

And it just reinforces to you how much fun the NFL draft is. And then both as a fantasy analyst and fantasy manager, I mean, it's both things, right? Because we do all of this work, but we also play. So you're rooting for your own teams. And then as a reality fan, I mean, I was frustrated through the first. first couple of days with the Kansas City Chiefs. And obviously, people have no sympathy, obviously, for Chiefs. I grew up in Kansas City, right, for anybody who thinks it's a front-running type of thing, went to all of those games with Marty Schottenheimer and company where they didn't come through

in the playoffs and in the key moments. But then to have Royals and Breschard Smith go to them on day three, I mean, that just seemed like better than best case scenario. So I'm riding the high. The NFL draft was a lot of fun. It was fantastic. It was really, really good. And highly recommend the podcast you're putting out with Ben Gretsch, always really, really top-level stuff. I had the opportunity to go on Colm's podcast over at Rotovis.

You guys do a great job. And this is sort of Dynasty Week over at Fantasy Points. We not only have shot Scott wrote his rookie rankings article. My rookie rankings article dropped yesterday. And podcast-wise, it's been relentless nonstop. Highly recommend if you want to, hear about NFL draft winners and losers. Brett Whitefield and I dropped two episodes of those right here at Fantasy Football Daily. Scott Barrett, Richard Rebar and I did a dynasty rookie

draft over on School of Scott. And then Heath Cummings came on Dynasty Life where I talked about my dynasty rankings and Heath also talked about his, made a couple of flag plants in that one. But today specifically, we're going to talk a little bit dynasty rookie draft game theory. We're going to talk about some trades you can make. We're going to talk about some head-to-head decisions. This one is specifically about the dynasty rookie draft, how you can win it, how you can maneuver your way around to maybe maximizing the assets you have on your dynasty roster. We're going to go pretty deep and we're going to have a lot of fun doing it. But to get it out of the way, you know, you've talked about your rankings, you dropped all

your rankings articles. Let's get it completely out of the way. Dynasty managers who are picking at the 102 this weekend, who should be the player that they're honing in on? And are you comfortable spreading out your exposure to several players this year? Well, one of the things we talked about in volume three of our big rookie guide that came out immediately following the draft and has all of those updates is that, I mean, I think the top six, you could argue, are relatively flat and or that if someone wants to come and take a non-Gentee pick at the 101, I think that that's a reasonable selection, even though I do think he's clearly the 101. The next five picks, I think, could come off in any order based on the needs that you have

in just even subtle tweaks in how you're evaluating these guys. But for me, in looking at this from my channel, I'm moving Ted McMillan up. to he's been the 102 for us and moving him back into a tier with cheat. That's like a mini tier out of this top six. His prospect profile as a receiver is pretty extraordinary, especially when you look at it in the context of Arizona actually not having a good passing offense. You've got a big receiver who really moves, good before the catch,

good after the catch. And now he goes into a situation where he has a rising QB. Bryce Young was a top half of the NFL QB over the second half of last season once he returned to the starting job. You could easily see him rising from that. The Panthers probably are going to be somewhat aggressive attacking through the air if they get Young going and if McMillan hits. And then unlike a lot of the other guys, it's not that there isn't a rounded offense behind these players. But, I mean, Millen is going to be the clear star unless he's an absolute disaster. faster for them as a pick.

And the other guys are more just acting as guys who can take a little bit of the coverage, who are going to soak up the targets he can't take, because obviously he can't take all of them. That's a little bit different than some of the other situations here. You think about Travis Hunter, Hunter is so interesting because he was undervalued throughout the entire pre-draft process with the idea that he's going to be a corner and play some receiver. we never thought that was likely to be the case. We always thought it was going to be both.

But it's kind of weird in terms of both the trade that the Jaguars made, which seems like a massive overpay, and now this flip in terms of how he's being seen where, I mean, so much of the value comes from being both, right? And being good at both, maybe not being an absolute superstar at both. Now, if he's an absolute superstar at both, then it both validates the trade and a huge jump up from him. And certainly if you want to take him 102, have no problem with that.

If you want to take Hampton, 102, have no problem with that. I think that things went fairly well with Cam Ward. If you want to take him 102, have no problem with that in Superflex, which is what we're all playing. But I do think that McMillan is the guy who is slightly separated from them, both in terms of what his profile actually shows us and what the upside probably is. Yeah, it's definitely a lot to unpack, specifically Tet McClellan. I agree with you. I think he's a player that, you know, you tell the truth in, in fantasy football when you're actually on the clock in leagues that matter. And I had a Hunter

versus McMillan decision to make. I'm in the FFPC Hardway League, which is a single QB, a single QB league. But I traded up to the 103 and I took McMillan over Travis Hunter. And it felt correct. And I think if we just go back to another tendency Bryce Young has had, is he hyper targets his top option. And that's obviously a tendency of a young quarterback and maybe his game is a little more nuanced in year three. But if we look at Adam Thielen, what he was able to do in 2023 and just project that role for Ted McMillan,

that was 137 targets. That was a 25.7% target share. And you had massive spike weeks that year from Adam Thielen, where he started out the year with a 20-point game in week two, a 31-point game in week three. a 27 point game in week five, a 28 point game in week six. And then you put that to a guy like Ted McMillan, who's got a lot of juice, he's got a lot of size.

I think McMillan could be a, it's not out of the question that he has 150 targets as a rookie. Do you share that optimism for the target ceiling? Yeah, I think that that part can always be a little bit tough, but I expect him to really separate from the rest of that group. I do think, while I haven't hit him yet in post-draft best ball leagues or haven't hit him often, I do think he's undervalued there. So you're trying to figure out like where he might come to you and not be part of moving him up. And I do think that this sort of back and forth between what best ball tells us and what dynasty tells us,

playing both allows you to be better at the other and to exploit the other one. So just, you know, giving a little sense of where I think that his seasonal price, is wrong and is too low and is telling us that people are not yet fully understanding how he's going to score in year one. And Theo, how he scores in year one, not only does it make a huge difference to your dynasty team, because every year you're trying to win, right, including when you have an early pick. And that's not just when you've traded for someone else's early pick, but when you have your

own early pick. And several of my teams went from, you know, 101, 102, won the title last year. That's always what you're expecting to do when you have one of these picks where the guy can instantly go into your lineup and change the team, people don't fully have, I don't think it's full range of outcomes and then certainly the ceiling outcome factored in appropriately yet. Yeah, it's interesting. And you see, we're seeing it more and more frequently where the turnarounds in dynasty leagues can be really rapid and just massive. Like last year, Brock Bowers, Jaden Daniels, players like that who you weren't having to use the number one overall pick on,

were able to flip the script, so to speak. The year before, a lot of those guys were found in the second round, guys like Devon A-chan, guys like Sam Leporta. So Dynasty can be a game where you don't have to have a long rebuild whatsoever. You can quickly turn things around if you make all you have to do, Sean, it's pretty easy. Just select the right players and make the correct moves. It's a simple game out there. Let's unpack a trade that I did.

I thought this would be an interesting one to share because it's talking about Ted McMillan to show sort of your conviction. on the player. I moved Jalen Waddle, the 111, and again, this is single, and a 2026 first for for Tett McMillan, and I get back a 2026 second and a 2026 third. And interestingly, the 11 ended up becoming R.J. Harvey, which I was not anticipating at all. He fell in this draft. So, you know, sliding doors, I maybe wouldn't have made the trade with that one, but just raw trade, Waddle 111, 2026 first or Tet a second and a third. It's so funny that you mentioned the Harvey things.

I wrote up a big piece, actually free piece on all of my dynasty results from last year, looking at the tactics, looking at the biggest trades, all of that. One of the funniest ones was where we ended up moving like a 203 and a 303 for picks that became like the 101 and the 201, or maybe it was the 102 and the 202. But the funny part about it is you're like, okay, this is a massive gain in terms of the pick value.

But the player that that person was actually jumping in for was the guy that I got on virtually every other team, which was Bo Nix. And so you could actually argue that Nix is as or more valuable than the picks in the future that turned out to be extremely high. Harvey here at the 111, I think does change it a bit. it's interesting here because on the one hand that 2026 second and the 111 if you don't know that the 111 ended up being Harvey you could almost say that those picks are fairly even in value or there's that possibility for that 2026 second to be the 201 202 203 and closes in on being a wash especially when you have that third round pick as well i'm a huge believer in the second and third round picks being valuable and even though you're going to miss some that that's your chance to really separate yourself from the rest of the community and dynasty. And so when you get those picks back, it does matter because you're going to be able to do valuable things with them. The other thing that's kind of interesting here is they would seem to me like you didn't get

that much sort of value assigned either in the way you were looking at it or the way the opposing manager was looking at it for Jalen Waddle, which is, I think, probably accurate, but also somewhat interesting. I like your side of it. the 2026 first, again, it's always kind of interesting because if you can avoid trading those future picks, I think it's absolutely huge. At the same time, the teams where I did that last year, they ended up getting, one was an offer of Nico Collins, which is like, I just have to take that, right? The other ones were for Bo Nix, who's now worth way more than what you traded

them for. So even though not trading your future first, I think, is a very strong sort of rule of thumb, you do get in these situations where the person is just not demanding that much. I don't know. I think this is pretty balanced, but I do love McMillan, especially with the idea that you're going to use those future second and third round picks. Yeah. And if the team does run well, I'll have two seconds and two thirds. I agree with you.

I think seconds are really the most underrated asset to have in Dynasty. Not only do we see players hitting in that range routinely, but it's all. Also, those are the kind of assets that can put a trade over the top when you're trying to make that trade to sort of solidify a team to make that championship run. A lot of times those veterans that are instant starters that they're not quite worth the first round pick, the manager will take a second round pick and you might get eight starts of significant work from like a veteran running back or a veteran wide receiver. So completely agree with you on that one. We're going to take a quick break. We come back. we're going to unpack a number of head-to-head decisions, including Sean's favorite between

Basial Tutton and Cam Scataboo. This should be a fun discussion right here on Fantasy Football Daily. Welcome back, Theo Graminger with Sean Siegel. Sean, let everybody know you mentioned the pod with Ben. It's very good. You guys do a lot of draft, kind of similar what we're doing here, but you'll also hit a lot of best ball conversation, some redraft conversation. let everybody know about stealing bananas when they can find it and any other pods you have coming

out at RosaViz. Yeah, so Ben Gresh and I have a ton of fun recording stealing bananas. As you mentioned, a nice balance between Dynasty best ball. We do a ton of redraft in the fall, lots of big FFPC main event drafts and whatnot over there. And then Colin Kelly and I, as you mentioned, you went on columns sort of new slash rebooted pod recently. That episode is excellent. people check that out. But Collin and I do Rotovis overtime, and it's so fun recording with his deep Irish voice to really give like a true radio type voice to the pot.

The FSWA should give out an award for best podcast voice, and I think Coleman would be one of the best every single year, a really, really sharp guy and also significant amount of of exposure in like the FFPC. He's a real player out there as well. So very, very sharp guy. Let's keep this going. RJ Harvey, you mentioned him earlier.

Look, we talked about him. We're very, very high on him. Where does he come in? And we're not going to make you reveal your entire rankings. Certainly people can go pay for that over at Roto Biz. But specifically,

where does RJ Harvey come in to your rankings? Well, one of the things with Harvey, and I think you could argue, Jaden Higgins as well, the next group for me after that top six extends pretty deep into the second round. So again, we have this idea that you and I were just talking about where these second round picks can be similarly valuable to, you know, certainly the back half of the first round. And you don't always know where the picks are going to go.

One of the things I do encourage people to do is to maybe not lock themselves into thinking that a pick is going to be in the top four or is going to be in the back four. we do sometimes see veteran teams especially age very quickly. So sometimes if you make a trade with a power team in your league and that team ages out overnight, you end up with a great pick. So we want to be humble when we're making some of those trades and understand that the second round picks could be more valuable in many of these cases. I think you can move anywhere within this group. I'm pretty aggressive on Harvey, even though you want to target him as late as you

think he can possibly fall. You mentioned the 111 as a possibility there. I mean, he's set up to be Sean Payton's next album, Camara, right? Now, we don't know that he has quite that much talent, because the talent thing with Camara was the huge deal there. But Harvey is a freak athlete. That's one of the things that I think potentially gets lost a bit, not necessarily now, but as you think about, well, like, are we overreacting to the draft spot? It's probably not that we're overreacting there. It's probably that he wasn't given enough credit right away. Now, he's old. And that gives you pause. So that's kind of the balancing thing.

Let's backtrack that real quick because I think that's interesting because do you care that much anymore? Because these guys' windows for most running backs that are impactful for us in Dynasty, the way that I would play Dynasty is unless it's a guy like a Bejan Robinson of Jumeer Gibbs, then I'm already sort of in a two-year window, possibly three-year window when I take on a running back. So for me, that part of it, I think, is very overblown. Do you disagree on that? I guess that I do in that I think that running back is an interesting position in that you're able to play it a lot of different ways.

One of the startup drafts that Collum and I did last year, we actually traded back. The only picks we took in like the first five rounds were Jane Daniels and Brock Bowers. If those are the only two picks you could make, those were pretty lucky slash good ones to have. But then one of the things that we did do was select some veteran running backs after we had traded down a bunch, and you get a bunch of them

as a result of trading down. And so I think that you can play the veteran backs, guys who are coming off of good seasons, because people are thinking, these are dynasty assets that are going to lose a lot of value somewhat quickly, but they also play, and they score for you. And if you get enough of them,

then you can have some of them age out fairly quickly. The flip side of that would be that, I think especially when you're making this pick in the first round, when you are potentially having to pick between Harvey and Quinn Sean Judkins, who I thought was in a spectacular situation right until they also drafted Dylan Samson. Oh, man. You have this ability with 21-year-olds to play them for four years and trade them at 25, even though people know that the next year the player could be done.

You think about someone like a Bejean Robinson where you can play, certainly you can trade later. You think about you and I were talking about Jonathan Taylor before the show and how much trade value he has, even though he's been in the NFL for a long time, and really had been bad for multiple years until that super hot section during the fantasy playoffs that was so meaningful. Then not only did he win titles last year, but now there's room for a lot more enthusiasm about him again going forward.

If Harvey does similar types of things, and I'd like to think that he will, And he's set up so nice. I just love R.J. Harvey. But at that point in his career, he's going to be old enough that his trade value just will not be there. And so you do lose out on this possibility of someone hitting and giving you a lot of value and then allowing you to flip your roster again at some time in the future. Now, that's within the context of generally speaking, to what you were saying as we kind of started.

You do want to be thinking about your running back position as a year to year. proposition. And so that part of it is definitely the case. Yeah, absolutely. And I agree with you. I think Harvey is very, very, very appealing. Jaden Higgins is also very, very appealing. Higgins landed incredibly well. The Houston wide receiver spot has been a wide receiver two spot has been a great source of fantasy football production. Even last year, we had Stefan Diggs in this sort of low A dot 15 point per game role. But guys like Tank Dell, guys like Noah Brown, have all thrived with C.J. Stroud. Let's add Higgins into this discussion. On the show sheet, OTC, head-to-head debate, I had a Mecca-Egbuka versus Luther Burden.

Let's put Higgins in the discussion. Sort of how would you unpack these guys? Who would be the player that you're most excited about drafting of these three? And then give me your runner-up. Well, I do have Higgins as the top player from this group, in part because his profile is just better. And there are different ways that you can slice it. There are certainly positive things about Abuka and Burden. Abuka has that very nice sophomore season. Burden, again, explosive sophomore season. The concerns with him and you've got this weird third year collapse, I don't know what to make of that. We had Scott on, on OT, actually, and he discussed that and was pretty concerned. We had Travis May,

who is a fantastic college football voice on as well. He wasn't nearly as concerned. I could see that going either way, a little bit more, the analytics side from Scott, obviously a little bit more the scouting side from Travis. I do think that the burden conversation, you know, as it relates to, you know, what you've got here with Moore and Adunze is interesting. But both of those guys are both risky picks

in that they have big warts on their profile, and they go into spots that are not great. You contrast that with Higgins, who didn't have as much buzz, doesn't come into this whole thing as this big a prospect. Certainly, you have questions about the overall trajectory there, although those are perhaps a little bit overblown. But you look at him being a little bit of this almost arbitrage play on McMillan, where you've got a big-ish receiver who is good before the catch,

is good after the catch, is you summon the slot, caught passes, at all depth levels was actually a more dynamic underneath threat than his college teammate Jailant Noel, who also factors into the discussion. That was almost the one where, you know, I was so excited for Noel as well, who was so much fun to watch and it's just freakishly,

freakishly athletic, but it's almost that Dylan Samson thing where you're like, just maybe not the volume competition there. I mean, it's a little bit like what I talked about with Hunter, where you have, and we just sort of alluded to this, but the Brian Thomas issue where you got this number one in Nico Collins, who will probably dominate. And you do have C.J. Stroud coming off of such a catastrophically bad season that after what he did as a

rookie, it just, it still seems unfathomable to me, even though watching it every week, it was just the slow-moving train wreck. How, why, what is happening here? But as you mentioned with the wide receiver two role, and I think what you're sort of pointing to in terms of what we expect in 2025, I mean, it's going to be back to what it was in 23, right? I mean, C.J. Stroud is going to be lofting these unbelievably accurate passes downfield where they're catching them like handoffs, you know, 15, 20 yards away.

And then especially now with what defenses have to account for, the Houston, Texans are absolutely loaded, which again, that could work a little bit against Higgins. But, I mean, he's such a good prospect. And I think that the initial way that we. were reviewing him versus burden and abuka in terms of where they would go and what their prospect status was. I think that's mostly wiped out now. Yeah. I mean, when it comes to Higgins, the production was excellent. The testing numbers were excellent. Performed very well at the senior bowl. And now I agree with you. And I think that when we look at the firing of Bobby Sloick and they

hire Nick Cayley, a Rams, Sean McVe disciple, and then they go and trade for Kirk and they draft back-to-back Iowa State teammates here. This is all about C.J. Stroud. And even the Woody Marks selection was sort of, you could throw that in that same bubble with his past catching, you know, the highly prolific numbers he put up as a collegiate pass catcher. I think it's all about sort of getting C.J. Stroud back on track and getting this offense a little bit more exciting and explosive like we saw with Stroud in

2023. Let's talk about that running back debate right now. So everybody's going to sort of tell you that Bachel, Tutin, Cam Scataboo, these are really fun draft picks for you and your dynasty rookie drafts. But what I'm seeing going on is these guys go relatively close to one another. And oftentimes, Sean, they're going back to back or within three picks. Trey Harris sort of slots in right around those guys. And those are the kind of the two running backs where they're locked into the second round,

looking for the next running back. Sometimes that next running back falls all the way to round three. So really, with Caleb Johnson's assent, R.J. Harvey locked into the first round, those guys are sort of a head-to-head decision. If you had to pick one between Scataboo and Tutin, who would it be? And again, this is another one where do you want to just vary your exposure and go 50-50? That's an okay answer as well. Yeah, this is a tough one for me because these were the two guys that I had way above consensus pre-draft. and then they both go right in that range

where you're like, yeah, it's exciting that they seem like the clear priorities as soon as day three starts. You did think that there was that possibility that they would go, I mean, frankly, either of them could have been taken at the end of round two, but you didn't necessarily expect that

with how deep the class was. And then they both go into these situations that are arguably good, not great. I think that, So I've moved Tudan down below Scataboo because I think that the Jaguars situation is less clear. I do think when you make that pick, you more or less telegraphed the direction you're going, which is that Tudin is going to be essentially what Bucky Irving was for the Bucks last year. Now, you can say, well, they got super lucky.

Irving shouldn't have been that good. And you can make that case from the perspective of Irving didn't test well athletically, and that does tend to be a pretty big component of translating to the NFL as a running back. And yet Irving's peripherals weren't just good. They were extraordinary. And then, you know, as soon as you get any of that buzz from camp with them, that he looks that good on an NFL field, you're like, well, now we're off to the races. He was one of our biggest exposures last year.

Tutin is interesting in that the peripherals are also fantastic. I think unlike Irving, there is some skepticism in the scouting community, he's actually that good of a running back, which is almost vice versa with Irving. But the difference there obviously being that Tutin is just an extraordinary athlete. And it's that contrast again with Scataboo then, where the numbers in just like every category are off the charts. But like, is he athletic? No. Not really.

But you have kind of this deal with Scataboo where it's like a much large. version of Bucky Irving. Now, again, stylistically, exactly how they get it done. I mean, is he going to be able to make guys miss in space like Irving did and then run for 50 yards, even though making Irving is so slow. His tested athleticism was so terrible, which opened up this opportunity. I think Skadaboo is similar in that the athleticism opens up this opportunity to get it back, who probably is in that same group with like Hampton and Henderson and those guys.

And that's the reason that I do see him mostly taking the work from Tyrone Tracy. Even though Tracy's the guy, again, we had very high exposure to last year, love because of the ability to take high value touches in part. And he used those high value touches to score a lot of fantasy points at key moments. You like that. Now, his rushing peripherals at the NFL level last year were very poor. Even the ones that sort of abstracted away from situation and run blocking, which was also poor.

Right. So that could go either direction. I think both guys here are going to be winners by the mid-season point. Very interesting. And I'll say that I think I'm a little bit more optimistic about Tutin getting the opportunity in Jacksonville than you are. But I have these guys very close to one another. I have Tutin at 17. I have Camp Scataboo at 19 with Trey Harris right in between them.

When it comes to Scataboo, I think one thing that's interesting is Tracy last year, Daibu gave him the job. He overtook another Dable favorite in Devin Singletary, who was a very limited RB1 to start the season. But Tracy struggled with some fumbles last year, and Scataboo never gave it up. He had one fumble in like 293 carries last year at Arizona State. So I think if you're coaching for your life like Brian Dable absolutely is, cannot get off to a slow start. Maybe that change happens earlier in the year. I think both of these players have a chance to really, really help you in,

in fantasy this year and both appealing draft picks. And if you said 50-50, I don't think it would have been a cop-out either, Sean. And I think if anybody's listening to this and they have, let's say, 20 dynasty leagues, 10 dynasty leagues, having five exposure to Tutin and five to Scataboo or 10-and-10 would be a perfectly fine answer. We'll talk about Caleb Johnson.

This is a player that I think is really, really steaming up in terms of not only dynasty rankings, but also rookie draft. landing spots. I've seen him go ahead of R.J. Harvey. I've seen a lot of people wanting to really push him up here. Third round pick. So the NFL didn't select him where we thought he would. I thought he would end up going at one of those sweet spot picks either to Chicago at 39 or Chicago at 41. Chicago passes him up twice, essentially. Dallas passes him up. All these kind of free square landing spots pass him up. And then he falls to round three and he lands extremely well. Lands in sort of the de facto Naji Harris role, but is it the exact like for like role or does Jalen Warren get

increased usage as a runner? So much to unpack here, Sean, your enthusiasm for Caleb Johnson and your thoughts on him in his rookie season. Yeah, I think this one kind of works both directions in that I think that the relatively poor testing for Johnson is not really a problem, but it is something that we shouldn't completely wave away. But you think about that contrasted with, say, Anasie Harris, who is a freak athlete, but his instincts as a runner are mostly to beat the guy in front of him and to watch what's happening and then beat the next guy who's coming to him and then beat the next guy and never actually run forward, which is one of the reasons that his numbers as a pro have just been terrible, right?

And so it was really weird in some ways that Warren didn't have a bigger role already. And then you kind of have the injury to start last season that probably took him out of the year where he was going to make this big jump. I mean, Warren's evasion rate in 2023 is the highest of any back, the SIS numbers, any back in the last three years. And I think that if we're not thinking of Jalen Warren as a star, we're probably not thinking about it. correctly. And so if you go to a spot that has a star, that's a bigger problem probably than how the Jaguars view their own guys. It's a bigger problem than going to the Giants. The Steelers, to me, is like a sneaky bad spot where it's a run-oriented team, but as a result, you don't get a lot of production. You get a ton of low-value touches because the offense is bad, doesn't really move,

all of those types of things. Now, Caleb Johnson, on your hand, is going to be a guy who does go north and south for them, I think it's going to be a lot better than Naji Harris. The weird thing, though, is that the Steelers were always kind of stuck to this spot where they had drafted Harris. And so unless he was just excruciatingly terrible, which he got like to the edge of several times in his career, where they had picked him was going to be a problem for how they used him and making that switch. Even though Caleb Johnson will probably be better right away, that difference and kind of giving

Warren a chance to really show that he's an actual. star. I think that's problematic. So the thing with Johnson is that his actual on-field numbers last year as a collegiate were fantastic. And so that again is the reason why I think he's a clear upgrade on Najee Harris. I think if Warren were to get hurt, then he immediately is a high-end RB1. You want to play some of those scenarios because obviously running back injuries

happen constantly. But I do think that the Steelers' willingness and preference for a full committee does hurt both guys. And so both Warren and Johnson are tricky in part because they're also exciting. And so you're going to have to pay for the exciting part, even though the tricky part is there too. Yeah, I think you nailed it with that one. When the draft happened and I did my initial rankings, I said, I'm going to get some exposure to Caleb Johnson because I'm going to get him at the 201, 202, 203. I actually think with the way that the steam is going, I'm not going to end up with much Johnson because I think he's going to end up being inside

a round one in the majority of leagues. I think for a lot of managers, he's going to be right next to RJ Harvey. I am with you. I'm Harvey pretty easily ahead of Johnson right now. So I'll probably end up with my exposure to Caleb Johnson more so in best ball drafts. Maybe a bunch of dynasty managers in my leagues are going to surprise me. I'll end up with some. But again, it's a weird one because it's a third round draft capital back.

We saw a couple of those guys fail last year, even the Trey-Benson, Blake Corum, fell to this range. didn't really fire. And Jalen Warren, you're not the only one making this argument that Warren's been a highly efficient back. He's finished as an RB2 in this Pittsburgh offense. Very good pass catcher, very efficient runner. And he's also physical, very physical as a runner as well.

So very interesting one there. Let's take a quick break and we come back. We're going to keep unpacking these rookie decisions that can help you win your dynasty rookie draft. Okay, Sean, let's keep this going. quick, quick thoughts on the tight ends. Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland, the two landing spots, sort of your enthusiasm for one or another.

Is it enough to say that you want exposure to both, but maybe slightly underwhelmed with the landing spots, or is there one that's way ahead of the other? So we always put a huge emphasis on tight end at Rodeviz, and this may be a weird one where we're just not going to get a lot of exposure to these guys. And you can say partly it's because we already have a lot on our teams and our community's teams. But certainly there are a lot of new members of the community all the time who may not have that.

And so you can't just look at the past and be like, oh, well, you know, we don't want these guys. But it is weird in that they're both very good prospects. And yet I do think that the success of some of the recent, I mean, I've been arguing that the success of the recent rookie tight ends is hard to know what to do with because tight ends are just, such a small sample compared to some of these other positions. Is it that we're going to get big immediate impacts, which I think is possible, or are some of these guys just, you know, such incredible outliers? Brock Bowers is the type of prospect that, I mean, you don't get every 10 years. You get like once every 50 years, right?

And so thinking about him and comping mentally, these guys, even though they're excellent prospects in their own right, is probably going to end up being misleading. And then they both go to terrible spots. Now, Loveland, for both of them in the future, it could be fine. I think with Warren having been a fifth year guy, you're talking again already starting to get up there and so you don't really want to wait and think about that retrade window and just how the rookie year kind of sets the stage for what the draft or what the trade value is going to be even multiple years into the future and how that could hurt you.

I mean, he's in a situation where even someone like a Josh Downs, Josh Downs is probably a star. Is he going early in fantasy drafts? I mean, no, because you expect them to basically complete no passes successfully. So that one is very, very tough. Loveland is much more complicated because you have all of the weapons there. You have the new coaching staff, which should be fantastic. You probably get a massive jump from Caleb Williams, but you don't know that for sure. You have a, I mean, you think about how relatively poorly, Sam Laporta actually played last year, even though they had like 4,600 passing yards. Like, how soon are the, the bear is going to have 46 past,

40,000 pass, never, right? Because you have the weather and you have the mobile QB. Like, do they get rid of enough of the guys who are already on their team in order for Loveland to then be a good fantasy asset? I mean, maybe, but there are a lot of things that are current unknowns that make him tough, and I think make both of these guys just really tough. Even though, again, they're fantastic prospects. Yeah, and I think that that's fair.

I think I'll be a little bit more optimistic about these two than you. are with Chicago, I believe in Ben Johnson. I know that's a sort of a crutch argument that can get people in trouble to sort of chase the offensive ecosystem, chase the smart offensive coordinator who is now a head coach. But with Loveland, the fact that they took him ahead of Warren, the fact that they took him at 10 overall, which is very significant for the tight end position, the fact that he's very young, and he's super athletic. I also think that we haven't really unpacked that DJ Moore might not be a Chicago bear heading into two. 26, just based on the move with burden.

So I think I'll be a little bit more aggressive with Loveland. With Warren, on the other hand, I think he's a guy that in some leagues is going to start to fall. And in FFPC type environments where I can get that sort of player at the 11, the 112, where a week and a half ago, Sean, it looked like we might have to use the 105, 106 for him. I'll be willing to take the plunge because I agree. I think Josh Downs is a really talented player, but he's an untraditional. wide receiver one in the NFL sense.

And Tyler Warren has significantly better draft capital than any of the wide receivers on the Indianapolis roster. And the quarterback situation, I think, is a little bit overblown for Dynasty because I think the cult starter could be someone besides Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones heading into 2026. And we could have a much more optimistic quarterback outlook with Warren. So a lot to unpack there. Agreed that it's a little bit disappointing.

and it's weird to not be having a conversation for one of these guys as a consideration at like 105. But you're going Trayvion Henderson over them every single time at this point. So it's that that ship is sort of sailed. Two guys that you are lower on significantly more than Brett Whitefield, Scott Barrett and myself. Well, I'll take one of the guys out of the equation because Scott Barrett is not really pushed Jack Betts up nearly as enthusiastically as Brett and I have. but certainly Elijah Arroyo has been a fantasy points favorite since the senior bowl, and we like the landing spot a lot. I saw where you have him ranked.

It's a significant gap between where Scott and I have him ranked. Your concerns and sort of lack of enthusiasm with Arroyo, and then share your thoughts on Betch because I heard you and Ben Gritch on the pod talking about Betch, and the Jack Betch enthusiast definitely would not like hearing that one. Yeah, he's a player where, I mean, it seems like it's a scouting take. And you get all the comparisons to Puka and people are going to be fired up about that. Again, I go back a little bit to, you know, having Travis on the show and him being much more in that community and saying, be careful of this.

This is very much a trap type of player in part because of, and not that there's any problem with this, but just some of the other narratives around him. It's a really easy to guide and root for. And to be clear, I'm certainly rooting for him. I do, and you also have the crazy agility times, but some questions about some of the other stuff. And this seems like kind of a situation where you get him going so early. You have Xavier Restrepo falling out of the draft entirely because Restrepo did make the mistake

of actually running. And then people are like, well, you can't play at the NFL once you ran that. I mean, in terms of the actual production, you know, you have a lot of similarities. It probably isn't fair to have the two guys go so far apart. And he did have a strong final season, but the overall trajectory for him there is pretty poor. The post-draft comps, even going where he did in the box score scout, are basically all non-NFL players. So I think I would simply be comfortable saying a little bit, I'm below consensus if he falls in a draft, you know, when somebody wants to take him, I don't have a problem with that.

Or earlier it was just top because you have kind of this one-year wonder, tight end, but someone that the team that drafted him absolutely loves, he probably is extremely athletic. The numbers that he posted last season were exciting, right? He had the best boom rate, the second best receiver rating, the second best first down percentage among the power conference tight ends. He had a deep A dot. he was one of the only two tight ends in this category,

I wouldn't know drops. He had a lot of target competition and still had a good yards per route. I mean, the last season was awesome. He goes early. He is athletic. I think there is a lot of upside. I guess I don't love the fit for him either compared with, say, a Terrence Ferguson, for example.

Yeah, and I know that you're ahead on Terrence Ferguson and Harold Fanon Jr., which I think sort of pushes the Royal down. I would argue that all three of those guys are appealing. I love the Arroyo landing spot where Seattle doesn't have a guy like him. There's not like that big-bodied X wide receiver that they had in D.K. Metcalfe. They get Cooper Cup. It's just another guy who's getting into playing the slot. JSN is very, very effective in the slot, and I think he'll get moved around.

So for me, it's just a royo. Call it GM speak. Call it the opportunity. But they draft a big-bodied athletic guy on an offense that severely needs it and doesn't overlap with those wide receivers at all. Betch, I think is interesting because Scott's made the argument that if he overtakes the Trey Tucker routes run, it's almost like he can't fail because Trey Tucker ran so many routes and was just so inefficient.

So if the targets per route run are higher and that sort of role, a lot to unpack there. But I do think that Vegas was a free square landing spot for a wide receiver, at least to get a lot of time, and potentially some years. usage. But again, it's, it's all the Brock Bauer's Ashton Genty show there anyway. So we're not going to waste too much more time on Jack Betch. We'll take one more quick break and we're going to continue talking about ways you can win your dynasty rookie draft with Sean Siegel. Welcome back. Sean, let's start to unpack these.

Go a little bit lightning round on these ones. Sleepers. Give your thoughts on Jalen Royals, he's potential impact this year in Kansas City. And I'll say this is exactly, these next few players we're going to talk about are exactly the kind of players that can help you crush your draft because these guys are going to go in round three. And for some of these guys at round four, starting with Jell and Royals. Yeah, so Royals, you have the concern of the actual draft slot in the small school production. And how do you adjust for those things? Other than that, I mean, I think you can look at him and make the case that he's actually a rich man's amica abuka.

and you look at him and contrast him with Rishi Rice and Sky Moore, and as a prospect, he is better than either of them. Now, we know those two guys took incredibly different paths where Rice is probably going to be a star if you can overcome the injury and off-season off-field problems that are hanging around from a long time ago now, whereas obviously more was nothing, right? So you can take a prospect kind of in this time of range, and he can either be a star,

he could be someone who catches like 10 passes. But I mean, Royals is really good. His best comp is probably like a Robert Woods. It's a matter of how quickly can you get this very difficult. And they, which he basically come out and say, look, these guys are not going to make an impact because our offense is too complicated. Like, well, maybe that's a little bit of a problem.

But at some point, Royals is going to explode because he's that good. Yeah. And I think just basically with Royals, it's a guy that we thought would go inside. of round two. We saw him play at the senior bowl and like he's so explosive off the line. I talked to him at the senior ball and he told me that sort of patterned his game a little bit on Deontay Johnson. So you start thinking about peak Deontay Johnson for Jalen Royals. It's something I think we can all get excited about. But I think what's interesting, Sean, is it's sort of a handcuff

to Rashi Rice. If Rashi Rice is slow out the gate, certainly we'd see maybe increased usage for Xavier Worthy, but the chiefs might not have the luxury of, of basically redshirting and slow playing Jalen Royals. They might actually have to play him early on. And again, we see the videos of Rashi Rice working out, but there's a little bit of skepticism with some of the chief's beat reporters as his availability for week one. So really fun player right there.

And one that I think you can get access to in a lot of third rounds. Let's talk about, I'll put these guys into a little group. Jaden Blue, Rashard Smith, Jarrez Hunter. Blue might go in some second rounds, but Brashard Smith and Jarkquez Hunter third round, and occasionally one of them might fall into the fourth. I'm head over heels over Jarquez Hunter right now. Talk me out of drafting him on every single dynasty team I have.

No, I don't think he can, right? Because he is just a fantastic running back. And, you know, you lead the SEC in yards per carry. You have me over four yards after contact per attempt, despite being a smaller back. great evasion numbers, but evasion numbers that are skewed to broken tackles, right, not to force miss tackles. And so again, you're like, I mean, this is going to play really, really well. You've got a good athlete. He's got the peripherals that are similar to Bucky Irving.

It's kind of a weird pick because they already have a pretty good starter. They have a guy where, I mean, I thought that Blake Quorum had a shot to be the, you know, Tank Bigsby or Zach Charbonnet of this season where he was overhyped as a rookie and then you get that second year bump and he's at least good. I mean, that looks almost completely gone now, right? The second half of the season, I mean, you're looking at Hunter as potentially being the starter for the Rams. These other two guys, it'll be sure to see how fantasy values them because, I mean,

they're small and they're fast, but they're really, really fast. And they're on teams that have nothing. So, I mean, they can't handle the types of touches that the teams both have that somebody good should take. I mean, there are going to be times when they come. off the field, and they may not even play that much in the first half of the year, you don't know. But you're going to be looking at this and thinking, like, just put the small guy back out there. The big backs on these teams are absolutely terrible.

And at some point, I think, I mean, the coaching staff is going to see that. They like these guys enough to draft them. You have a couple 50-yard runs, and suddenly the teams are going to be like, well, it helps us in the passing game. And every time we hand off to our actual starter, we gain two yards and are in a bad down-and-distance situation. Yeah, I got to get pretty fired up. The Jaden Blue one is, is interesting because he had 42 catches last year, six touchdown receptions. And at Texas Pro Day, and I'll give a shout out to the Orange Bloods guys who also are

roster watch guys, Alex Dunlap, Cody Carpenter, they're at all the Texas football practices. So they start talking to me about Jaden Blue earlier in the process and they're like, he's going to run like a 4-2-5. Like this is in the wheelhouse, ends up running a 4-3-3. create at the at the combine, but I think that like the Texas pro day numbers are legit. This is a guy who everybody says can fly, has the receiving pedigree, and lands in a situation where it's Javante Williams, it's Miles Sanders, and it's Phil Maffa.

Maybe they bring in a Nick Chubb and throw another body into the mix, something like that. But just the opportunity there, it's not completely unlike Tony Pollard when he had his foot in the door and thrived in that offense. So I think Blue's interesting. He is a guy that I think will steam up. I think actually Hunter and Breschard Smith, you'll get more access to. Pat Bryant, Scott Barrett is all over. He's talked about him on the school of Scott Pod with Rich Rebar this week. Highly recommend that one. And also Brett Whitefield and I broke him down on this pod last episode. But I know you're also enthusiastic. Talk about Pat Bryant. Is it the landing spot? Is it the profile? You had a little bit of enthusiasm.

for him heading into the NFL draft as well, which a lot of people sort of ignored him. Yeah, so I didn't know where he was going to go. And before the draft, you know, I wrote that if there's one guy with absolutely no buzz who ends up being a viable fantasy starter, my guess would be Bryant. And then you get the Broncos drafting him somewhat early. And like, immediately, this is Michael Thomas. And like, just say something realistic. It's like, we don't even know what to do with that when you're going to come out and make

those kinds of comparisons because, like, obviously you have to move him up, but it's almost like the comp is so ridiculous that you're like, well, these guys have no idea what they're talking about. I mean, he was really good, right? And his, so this is, again, like a little bit of a one-year wonder element, and it's a one-year wonder deal where the athleticism wasn't necessarily there. And yet, once you have him to a team that likes him, the 40 times for the wide receivers, when you're thinking about how guys translate to the NFL can be very, very, very, very misleading, right?

Much more so than at the running back position. So I think you can almost throw that stuff away and just look at his final year where, I mean, he had a 40-plus dominant rating. He has an A-dot that shows the ability to get down the field. You've got an on-target catch rate around 95%. You have a huge number of yards after the catch, good numbers of yards after contact, got good yards per route, good yards per team attempt. And those things all do kind of funnel back into or fuel this sort of, again, very unrealistic Michael Thomas comparison.

But when you, so for the Broncos, you're looking at a team where they're probably just going to use a lot of guys a little bit. And I still think that Troy Franklin probably will pan out as a deep threat. You know, you get that touchdown pass in the playoffs. You're probably going to get more of that in your two. You're going to get more of Marvin Mims as kind of the glorified running back. obviously you've got a decent number one there in Cortland Sutton. But I mean, Bryant is probably the guy that as things evolve over the next two or three years, the people just get more and more excited.

Yeah, a couple of stats I love about Bryant. One thing physically, the 6'3 200 pounds is thrown around a lot. When you add the context of Sean Payton mentioning Michael Thomas, like that raises your eyebrows, 78 inch wingspan, which is identical to guys like Justin Jefferson. Like he's definitely team wingspan for this draft class. And he had three game winning touchdown catches in the final two minutes of overtime or regulation this year. Absolutely was a key guy for Illinois and a guy that they went to very, very frequently.

Let's do a quick trade discussion to end it out here, Sean. You're continually talking about like the window and extending it and making these big moves, these big trades that they can net you, huge returns in dynasty. And I guess you embrace risk a little bit more than maybe some others in their dynasty in their dynasty advice. And I think you guys do a great job with that. Sort of it's become very in vogue to sort of tear up and tear down. You guys have been kind of tearing down for a while at RotoViz.

So let's talk about it. Alad Mekonki-Tet McMillan trade. if I offer a lad McConkey to the manager on the clock at the 103, let's say Omarion Hampton goes at the 102 or Travis Hunter goes to 102 and Ted McMillan sitting there at the 103, I would argue I can get an absolute fortune on top of Ted McMillan from some managers and at least something on top from most. Would that be a trade you'd be comfortable making?

I have McMillan higher head to head. There you go. I would go that route. I think you have to have a huge amount of respect for Mokonke's rookie season. That's a really strong end. And it is intuitive, right? At the same time, you think about the difference in their collegiate profiles.

You think about all of the talent that the Chargers added on top. And you think about the fact that they probably likely would prefer to be very, or at least reasonably run heavy and what the upside is for McMillan over the next decade. And I think you've got to kind of, I mean, both of these guys are fantastic pieces to have on your team. I think McMillan has immense upside over the next decade. Yeah, and I think it's hard to get away from the production in the in the playoffs for for Lad. And it's always, it's hard to stomach trading away a guy you just saw do that. But if you take a step back, Ladd-McConkie was a second round pick.

Ted McMillan was a early entry and was a top 10 overall pick. It's the profiles. I mean, Ted McMillan was clearly ahead of where Ladd was. The Trey Harris pick for me, it's not, it's not doing anything to. destroy Ladd-McConkie, but it's certainly another player that they're enthusiastic enough to use a second-round pick on, plus the Omari and Hampton selection inside of round one. They really want to run the football. So I think, like, I would be comfortable doing this, and I think you would be shocked by what you can get from some managers on top of Tet for Ladd-McConkey,

exactly the kind of trade that you might get really two chances at the wide receiver spot. You could get potentially the 103 and another wide receiver or the 103, and another appealing draft pick for Ladd McConkey. Marvin Harrison, Travis Hunter. I think that trade's going to be there in certain leagues. Your comfort level making that sort of a deal. I've got these two guys very similarly ranked. I would prefer the one that seems now to have more sort of open-ended outcome,

which would be the one that we didn't just see a terrible rookie season from. Having said that, again, Marvin Harrison was a much better, receiving prospect than Travis Hunter is right now. I just think we already have a sense of Harrison probably being overhyped and just like how much can you fix the offensive fit? And that Kyler Murray has a lot of strengths as a QB, but we also have so many weaknesses. And those weaknesses seem to be a huge problem for Marvin Harrison.

It'll get better, but is it going to get enough better that you wouldn't prefer to have this wider range of outcomes play with Travis Hunter? in a dynamic passing offense with Trevor Lawrence. I think that Trevor Lawrence is probably given a little bit of a free pass on how bad his season was last year, too, in terms of how people are thinking through all of this. But I would go with Travis Hunter. I think I'm with you there. And I know shout out to the dynasty points, guys.

Jacob Sanderson made a similar deal to this where he maneuvered Harrison share to get a hunter share. You're seeing sort of people re-roll in this one. Last re-roll question. this year's first overall pick Cam Ward or C.J. Stroud. Your enthusiasm level for these two guys and a potential to quote unquote, re-roll your Stroud to get a number one pick. And I think you can get something on top here, Sean,

because like we said, Cam Ward, I think for most manager in most leagues, is going to go somewhere at the 104 or the 105 in Superflex. Your comfort level there. Yeah, I think he's probably a little bit undervalued or underrated as a prospect. We really like him. And so then you have this contrast with Stroud where you have one of the all-time great rookie seasons and then just, I mean, it's impossibly even to express how bad last year was. I guess I just don't trust the team in Tennessee at all. And then you look at how they've addressed.

and Tennessee made some additional picks on offense, obviously, but the difference in quality of the team around Strout on offense right now is so significantly better that I would give him a slight edge, even though in most cases I think, I mean, the Tennessee coaching staff should have been fired after one season. So, I mean, again, you just have problems there in terms of talent around him and coaching around him. Outside of that, I would have given the small-edged award.

again with him probably being a little bit underrated. And again, you have this wide range of out. The problem for both of these guys is that they probably have to have huge passing seasons to be true impact players in fantasy. Yeah, I mean, the door is closed for either one of these guys touching like a Jaden Daniels. Neither one is the dynamic runner in that regard. Let's end with this, Sean. One of the most exciting times in every single Dynasty League is that time during your dynasty

rookie draft because it is one of the times of the year where you see the most trades go down collectively. And a lot of these trades are going to involve veterans. Give us a veteran that you would be actively recommending people go and make some offers on right now that could pay dividends in 2025 and potentially beyond. Well, I think that Jerry Judy is perhaps a little bit more enthusiastically valued in dynasty than in seasonal, which you could argue is odd, or maybe you could just argue that dynasty managers maybe have a better feel for the true talent level and aren't as concerned about the QB situation. I'm frankly stunned that Judy is going where he is in early seasonal formats,

given what he did last year. There's a strong possibility that a QB position will be a catastrophe, but it was already a catastrophe last year. I mean, you think about just how bad the QB play would have to be to wipe him out with

how he was able to evolve and develop. And just one of the things with Judy is he always had these fantastic peripherals, but weird things were keeping him from actually hitting the scoring level. And so you can certainly make the case, well, Sean, I mean, those weird things are going to happen again in 2025.

he's perfectly set up to underperform his peripheral based on what the offense is going to be around him. One of the things with him, though, is that he came into the NFL very young. And so he's not as old maybe as he seems. And again, you think about how these people move through their careers, where the retrade window is, where you could get sort of this secondary bounce. They could even have a bad, bad 2025, come back out and be really good in 2026, 2027. And then you could still potentially trade him then to people who have no problem at all with the old wide receivers, because some of these guys in the 29, 30, 31 range score a lot of points, right?

So you can move him to the guy who's like, yeah, I'm going to just take advantage of the fact that you don't understand the old receiver score points. So you have a variety of ways that you can benefit from this. I mean, the Browns could be almost anything next year. So that part will be fun to track. Absolutely with you on Judy and excited to hear you talk about him. It's shocking. Like if you ask like some knowledgeable people, even some industry people and you say,

hey, what's Jerry Judy's age? He turned 26, just turned 26 years old. So Jerry Judy is absolutely in his wheelhouse. Jerry Judy is a guy where last year we saw him take a big leap forward, and he put up Spike Weeks. There's also a lack of target competition there when it comes to the wide receiver. Cedric Tillman is the second best wide receiver on the roster, and you're projecting sort of a David and Joku, Harold Fanon,

in a lot of 12 personnel. 144 targets last year, 90 receptions for Jerry Judy. And he has contract insulation in Cleveland. I like that one a lot. Sean, this was a lot of fun, as always. Let everybody know once again where they could find your work. Well, thank you. It was awesome being on with you, as always.

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and i have a feeling we're going to see a couple of these rookies that we talked about making that list this year uh we'll see you back here soon uh make sure you check out school of scott where Scott and I had Richard Rebar on, the previous episodes with Brett Whitefield and then Dynasty Life with Heath Cummings. Listen to these ones as well as the one you just listened to with Sean and you're going to absolutely crush all of your Dynasty rookie drafts. We'll see you soon.