Fantasy Football Daily - Dynasty Trade/Startup Market: Drake London, Bo Nix, Marvin Mims, CJ Stroud, Jaylen Waddle + Startup Draft Review | Dynasty Points Market Report

Episode Date: January 11, 2025

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mock draft was horrendously wrong it went completely sideways in the draft that i'm in we're going to talk about that today as well. We are catching back up on early trade values, some players here that we're going to talk about that I'm excited to talk about, that you guys have been excited to talk about. So we're going to get into that today. But as we always do, Buck, of course, I should mention I'm your host. I'm Thomas Tipul at Elnosa Thomas on social media. Everywhere you can find me to tell me I'm wrong.

You have Andy Buckler here, Andy underscore Buckler, because he's really original. He's on social media there, at least on Twitter. I can't verify anywhere else. I just know he is super up-to-date with celebrity relationships, player relationships, who they get words of encouragement from, and how well they do afterwards, as he continues to send me Bryce Young edits.

on Twitter at like two in the morning. So there you go. Buck, we like to start this thing off with things that ticked us off. And you have here, I'm a happy person who hasn't scrolled Twitter. So I like that for you. That feels like self-improvement. Turning a new leaf in the new year. Is it just because the giant season was over nine weeks ago?

So you haven't had a reason to watch. It was over for Halloween. I've been watching, but yeah, I've been like, well, last week I was sick, so I wasn't on Twitter at all. And now it's baseball season to me. That's what my Twitter. That's what my timeline is at this point. And I also tried to tell myself to kind of not get as mad about shit on Twitter as I used to and not engage with people. So my timeline is kind of cleanse.

It's really not a lot of dynasty stuff when it is. It's usually something stupid, but I don't, lately I haven't been engaging. I'm sure in the next couple months it will change. But yeah, I'm happy. I'm trying to turn a new leaf in the new year. New year, new me. Well, I can tell you for sure that people are mad that you've been lazy and not posting data on Twitter because some of the comments,

Twitter Data Boy, have been demanding. I haven't posted. I didn't post it last week because I didn't know people wanted it for Week 18. And then I was sick the week before. I post anything on Twitter now and people are telling me to just start doing the data and stop tweeting about it. anything else. So I am data boy.

And I need to do it. I'll try to find some stuff in the off season to put, but I can't do target share in the off season. No, but that's, see, that's where we're going to start coming up with, uh, you know, unique data sets and things like that. It'll be a lot of fun. We'll make a dynasty related. We'll, we'll work that out.

I did well on the data this year. I did a lot of data. Most weeks. Probably 15, 18. That's pretty good. I know it pissed me off this week. And I've talked about it before. We've talked about it before.

This whole accountability thing on Twitter. People feel like they need to, I don't know if it's White Knight, the accountability portion of Twitter. I don't care how many leagues you've won. Winning leagues is, that to me doesn't make you a good player. Right. I've seen the worst players I've ever played against. And he knows he's terrible.

Brad Henderson is the worst. and oh, I love you, but you were one of the worst fantasy players I've ever seen. Andrew, one of the worst fantasy players I've ever seen. Both of them have won championship. They're both in my home league, so I know you're listening.

You're terrible. I've seen them win championships in other leagues. So winning, I think I'm a good player. Now, Buck thought I was asked for years, but I think I'm a good player, and I lost four finals by nine points or less. Like, getting there is the, skill getting yourself in position to win is the skill and having longevity so that so your win losses

how many titles that's nice i'm glad you have your bread shout out to you that's dope i found and i'm not going to say from who i won't do it i'm not i'm not here to name names and like call out shows and pods and creators that's not what we're about just the general concept don't delete your tweets don't delete what you got talk about what you got wrong i'll talk about what i got wrong all day i don't delete my stuff you can find every tweet i've ever had on twitter for my for that like account i'm not deleting my my player takes at all because you need them you need them to humble yourself you need them to let people know that you grow as a creator and that you're not just you know,

coasting by, not getting better, etc. Processes are supposed to change and it's okay to talk about what you got right and what you got wrong. We talk about it constantly

in our Discord as well, all the time. Mention things that got wrong, ideas that were changing concepts, how we're looking at things differently, all the time. And I caught a couple people deleting some things

that I went looking for for research purposes, I guess. and I was disappointed. I was very disappointed. So that pisses me off. If you are ever going to talk about how good you are or et cetera, et cetera, don't delete your takes. Talk about them.

Bring them to the open. Just talk through it, right? Why did you get it wrong? If you don't think you're wrong on it, talk through it. Just be upfront and honest. And you don't have to be a content. creator to be doing that. It's with any dynasty player, right?

Any dynasty player, admit when you got a player wrong. You can cut bait. It's okay. You don't have to hold on for dear life. You made a bad trade. It's okay to talk about it. Why did this happen? What led me to do this or that? If you just delete it and don't talk about it and pretend it didn't happen and you leave that team to start a new league, you're just going to end up repeating. some of the problems.

So yeah, that really pissed me off when I saw some of that today. Not just today, but earlier in this week as I was going back to collect some bookmarked tweets for research purposes. Kind of drove me nuts. That being said, that's what takes us off. Bucks turned a new leaf, and here I am still doom-scrolling Twitter. I was, again, laying on the floor because I thought I was going to die.

Probably the worst flu I've had. The worst illness I've had this week. since the first time I got COVID probably. I have failure. That was it. Like I was swear deathbed, laying on the bathroom floor begging for the sweet release of death. But then I remember that the Ravens play football again in the playoffs,

and I had to tough through it and get through it. We're going to take a quick break, and we come back. I want to just have some fun before we start yelling at each other, which we've been known to do on this show before. I want to have some fun. I want to talk the NFL playoffs. just a little bit. I know it's like a foreign concept to you, unless

it's like two magical runs right? With future Hall of Famer, Eli Manning. People don't like that one, but he's going to be. His name is Manning. You think he's not getting in? He's got two rings. He's getting in. He should get in. I'm not doing that.

You think he should get in? He should, yeah. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. We're not doing this. And I love how people, I saw it on Twitter. Actually, you don't talk about I saw it on Twitter today. It was from, I don't even remember who it was from. It was from somebody. It pissed me off.

And it was like, oh, the defenses should get in. Okay, let me tell you something about the two giant defenses in the Super Bowl. Rank 25th and ranked 17th. Their defenses that are these amazing elite defenses to people that are like, oh, like, Eli Manning had the 85 bears. Let me get out of here. Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer. And, like, I spent a lot of time defending Eli Manning in my life.

And I have Turner New Leaf on that as well. I don't argue about Eli anymore, but no, he's a Hall of Famer. And people are going to get mad about it. They can get mad about it. Never an MVP. Never an old pro. Never led the league in any category for passing as far as I know. I'm just, I'm just, you know.

He had two of the greatest runs of all time beat the greatest team of all the time. So I think Flacco should be in if we want to go there. I mean, he had the greatest playoff run of like all time. I'm just saying. Get out of here. All right, we're going to come back. We're going to talk a little bit about the playoffs this weekend. And then we'll get into the heart of the dynasty stuff.

So sit tight. We're right back. So obviously the NFL playoffs are this weekend. I just, who's, I think I know what's going to happen for all these games. Who's the upset here, Buck? One team statistically. gets upset in the wild card round every year. Who's it going to be?

The Ravens. Oh, get the fuck out. You're only saying that to piss me out. It's a division game. It's a tough game. I think it would be too. I think if there is going to be a team that gets upset, I think it's Baltimore.

So I don't think, a lot of people are saying Broncos and Bills. Bills aren't losing this game. Yes, I don't want to. don't want to look stupid in like a week, but I think the bills will boat race them. I think, uh, I don't know about boat race. I, I just kind of think they'll come out. It means a rookie quarterback on the road in a playoff game. Like, we do got to remember that.

And I don't know, I think the, the, the Ravens thing I was kind of like, I'm kind of half joking about. Like, it is. They shouldn't be, they shouldn't be eight and a half for nine and a half point favorites. There's no Zay Flowers. And we know Lamar has struggled against the sealers in the past last game he didn't, but he has like in the And I hope, I mean, I hope for the sake of everything that they don't lose to this in the first round of playoffs. And I don't think so. Like, I'm kind of messing around, but I do, I could see like the narrative with the division.

I don't know. I can see the Eagles as the Packers. Is that a real upset? Well, Eagles are favored. So, oh, you think the Eagles could lose to the Packers? Yeah. I don't think there's a chance in hell that happens. How?

I don't think the Eagles are very good. They win a lot of ugly games similar to Kansas City. I mean. Yeah, but the Packers versus teams. with like, you know, winning records and playoff records is not good. I think that one could, I think that one could be close. I think if there's a game, the Buccaneers beating the commanders. Now, Buccaneers are the home team.

Commanders have the better win loss. I think more people are expecting the commanders to win this game. I think that game could be interesting. I think the commanders win that game, if I'm being honest. I'll just run through the list. I think Chargers beat the Texans. I think the Ravens will beat the Steelers, but I'm nervous.

But some will tell you that I'm nervous about every Ravens game regardless. I think the Bills do beat the Broncos. Don't think they boat race them. I think the Eagles beat the Packers, commanders. I actually think the Bucks will beat the commanders. And then I think the Vikings beat the Rams in a game that's probably going to get played in Arizona

because of the absolute horrendous scene in L.A. right now in California. So I kind of feel bad for Rams fans who don't get their home playoff game. Of course, I feel worse about what's happening, but football in general, I feel bad for them. So it's a neutral sight game. I think the Vikings can win that. So, yeah, I think that the best chance for an upset is probably Steelers, but they're bad. They're so bad. Like, their offense is awful.

It's terrible. And since week eight, I think, week eight or week 11, the Ravens of the number one defense in football, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I know they've been playing a lot, a lot better defense because they were getting cooked. I mean, this season. Well, yeah, they were playing Eddie Jackson, who watched Cedric Tillman run past him twice.

I think Eddie Jackson's on the Chargers now. Yeah, he's gone. And then Marcus Williams is benched for Darius, Washington, which is interesting. Definitely playing better. Brandon Stephen still sucks. So he's terrible. The Ravens are the only team that haven't figured out that he's awful.

So that's going to be a problem for us. But the only way the Steelers win is if it's some stupid game where they win like 17 to 14 with like a stupid interception that falls like hits someone's foot and bounce like stuff like that. They're not going to just like really win the game straight up. I don't think they have to win some stupid game, which is how they've won in the past. I think, I mean, I hope, and I hate watching and I see their soon play.

And I just don't want to, I mean, a little more narratives after that would just be horrendous. So let's hope that doesn't happen. Yeah, I don't want to deal with that personally on Twitter. I will just uninstall the app. But I think, I think that's how it's going to go. We did predictions on the regular dynasty points. Let's, let's hear,

who's the ultimate game? Who goes to the Super Bowl? Buck? Let's get predictions. The, I don't know. because I haven't done this yet. That's why I wanted to do it without telling you. I don't want to pick, like... Oh, don't be scared.

I don't want to pick Kansas City, like everyone, but I honestly really want to pick the Chargers. That is a favorite pick right now. A lot of people are picking the Chargers. I'm not doing it. I don't think it will happen. I would really like to pick them. I don't think it's happened.

I'll just go chalk, I guess. I'll pick Kansas City, and I'll pick Kansas City playing against the the lions. Pre-flower's injury, I had the Ravens in there, but they need to be at a thousand percent to have a chance. If he's even, if he's

even 50 percent, I don't think the Ravens have a chance. So I'll go Bill's Lions, lions win by a gillian against anybody they face. I'll change it, actually. I'll go with the Chiefs to play the Vikings. Vikings go. I don't think there's, I don't

think there's any way the lions don't win. They are boat racing everybody. I don't know how you stop their offense. Even when their offense looks terrible, right? So the Vikings game, they... Getting Montgomery back, that could stop the offense a little. Come on, no.

Montgomery's good. That was a one-score game, and then in a blink of an eye, that game was over. It just feels like when the lions want to, it's over for you. I don't think there's any team in the AFC that can stop them. That's for sure. Okay, so you have to fend off Josh Allen doing Herkulean things. If Josh Allen does his regular, I'm going to throw three picks in the first half type football. Like he has this thing where he looks terrible.

And I tweeted this and it's just right most of the time. He looks terrible in the first half. The bills look like they're going to struggle. And in the second half, he just becomes Superman. And they end up winning the game. So we still have to see like, you can't do that against the lions. We still have to see the Lions play, play out football. And we have to, and like, they still have Jericho.

We still have Jericho off a quarterback. And there's times where he turns into 2019 Jerich off. I mean, we were one, they were one fourth down away, really. And a Jamir Gibbs fumble away from putting the 49ers away. And it would have been in Lions Super Bowl last year. There's just something about the Lions team. I don't know what it is. The fan base has finally gotten something after all these years.

and now they're incredibly annoying. They are insufferable. That is correct. They ignore how awful they were forever. And, yeah, act like they've been here forever. So, I mean, happy for them. Yeah, I agree. I just, I don't know.

I just want, I wanted to just kind of pick something different, but I guess I'll just stick with it. I really want to pick the charges. I would love to see the charges to make it because I like, I like Herbert. I have bills. Yeah, I have Bill's Lions. Ravens, again, if they were 100%, like if flowers were playing this game this week

I think this game at the seal like I can just imagine the DMs I'm gonna send Ryan Heath when Bateman drops seven passes and Lamar fumbles twice like the I'm debating live streaming the game

they should honestly they should kick the shit out of the sealers they should but I I'm debating live streaming it so everyone can see my meltdowns if you want me to live stream the game you let me know in Discord or or at me when the podcast comes out on Twitter.

I'll tally the votes if there are votes. And I'll live stream the game of enough people want me to do it. All right. Let's get in to the brass tacks of this whole thing. Let's talk my actual draft versus the mock draft we had. I can tell you that Jalen Hertz went seventh and our mock draft he went fourth. I took Daniels at 3 In mock draft he went 2

I mean Stroud you had at 8 He actually went at 9 here So that's people are still drafting this guy That high blows my mind Herbert went at 112 So I said Herbert would go around the 2 5 And I thought that might be high 112 for Herbert

We had Bowers at 112 In this he Bowers went at 2 6 Like bride right around the same time I took Drake London a couple of spots higher. We both wanted London. Me and the guy I'm drafting with both wanted London. We got round four

Breece Hall in this draft, which I thought was nice. I thought that was a good pick for that person. McCaffrey at 5'7 is kind of still no thanks. But we're definitely seeing the running back renaissance. Pacheco, Cook,

Camara Jacobs have all gone before the mid-seventh round. So we're actually seeing these older backs go ahead of first round rookie picks because the rookie picks can be drafted in this draft book. Yeah. So it's interesting already to see the mock draft that we did, they said no. We didn't do too bad. Just comparing it to this, though.

Yeah. Right. Brian Thomas Jr. went at 2.8, which I thought was insane. I thought we were going to get him somehow. Barkley went at 2.3, which is no. I'm not ever doing that. He went before Gibbs.

So Lions fan or Eagles fan maybe, I don't know. Or a new dynasty player. Definitely not a new dynasty player. I checked. And by the way, if you're not checking when you, it's draft season, when you get into a draft, you can check somebody's profile. They're on sleeper for sure. You can just check their fantasy profile.

I do it every draft room I'm in. Me too. Good players, bad players. Who do they rock? roster a lot, et cetera. You're at a disadvantage if you're not doing that. This guy started four QVs. Yes, I'm going to talk about that.

But wide receivers value between rounds five through eight are kind of insane. We have drafted now six straight wide receivers, and I want to keep drafting them because they're insane values. We got Ladd-McConkie at the 3-10. So let's just, I'll run through my whole draft here. Daniel's at 1 3, London at 210, McConkey at 310, GTA Rice at 4-3,

so he's still going to be cheap this off-season. We drafted him probably higher than somebody else would have. Zay Flowers at 510, that's a good value to me. Xavier Worthy was the kind of controversial pick. We went back and forth on. We decided to punt our second quarterback.

We took Xavier Worthy at 6'3. We just took Judy at 710. So I wanted Addison, I thought I was hoping maybe Addison kind of came back to us, but he went at 7-2. The quarterbacks surprise me. Of course, there's always one guy. This guy is taken Burrow, Love, Purdy, and golf. He's not even drafting quarterbacks at a value.

And we talked about this in the lead chat. The only thing this person is trying to do is take advantage of somebody not drafting a quarterback and hoping that they get a player that they wanted instead of the quarterback with a little plus on top. And this always happens. Some dude always does this, and there's always one guy that gives him what he wants. But everyone in this league has made fun of him now.

So I don't know if it's going to happen. There's only one other player than us that only has one quarterback, and he's also just drafting tight ends and five receivers. So we're his target audience, and I've let him know already. I've won championships with Tyler Huntley this last year. I'm not paying that second quarterback price. I'll just find my Justin Fields,

Danny Dimes, Kirk Cousins, and like the 13th round again this year. Just is what it is. Yeah, it's subjectively a terrible strategy, especially when you're drafting the quarterbacks, he's drafting quarterbacks that no one wants, and you're getting them because the rest of the league didn't want them, and there's like, pretty golf.

Like, they already have a lot less value than where you have to take them. and it's just dumb because people usually don't trade with that person and you just end up trading the player for a player you could have just drafted just draft the position player you see it in every in every draft but it's stupid especially four straight i mean you just burned four premium picks on cubies the team shocked team needs to rely on other people being terrible right needs to rely on the perfect trade that strategy to me and look i don't be like oh but it works i do this all the time

Good. It doesn't, it has yet to work, I'll say, in any draft I'm in. It used to work for me when I would take a third. I used to take a third quarterback, like in the ninth round. I used to always be able to trade that ninth round QB3 for like a player that would go in the sixth round. Like almost always would be able to do that. In the past, I would always say, I don't do that anymore. I just take the position player, but I used to do that. I've never started a draft like that, but I've drafted a third quarterback in before the 10th round

and then traded it for a player that went a couple rounds higher. A lot of times, you see that every time I have a draft, but it's kind of soft. I'll say this. I am praying Chuba Hubbard comes back at 8-2, because I will draft a Chuba Hubbard at 8-2, or 8-3. Chuba-hubbard-8-3 looks real good right now in drafts. Shout out, Chuba.

His IR stint was not like a significant knee injury. I just thought it interesting. Let's talk about some other interesting spots. J.S.N goes at 3-7. T. Higgins down at 4-8. Chase Brown at 4-9. Mark Andrews jumps all the way back to 4-12. That's terrible. It's a terrible. It's a terrible pick.

Tittle at 7-4, I thought was a decent value for a tight-end premium. Roma Dunzee at 511. Pickens at 6-1. Like, none of these are surprising to me. A-chan at 3-12. We thought we were disrespecting A-chan with where he went at 3-8, you went at 312. So I think that's just probably where people are going to go.

So there's an opportunity where you can go wide receiver, wide receiver, A-chan, and feel pretty good about it. I mean, Amin-Raw-St. Brown falling to the mid-second round in this draft at 2-7, feels like it should be punishable by death. And neighbors at 2-5, also punishable by death. And Bowers. Bowers at 2-6. Like that run, 25, 26, 27.

I would have just traded all of my picks to move up to go and get those three picks. Jake Lundon got some respect. Three, four, five, six, seven, why it's your eight? Yep. That's where we wanted them. Garrett Wilson and the, is that late three or that's early three? Three, four, three, four. Early third.

That is third on reversal. Terrible. Yeah. Third and reversal is terrible. Well, we'll talk about that more when we do like. Thank you. You're fine. You're fine.

This shit is, it's like reinventing the wheel. It's, it's an awful thing. It's stupid. But I don't complain. Well, I do, but. You do complain a lot, actually. I complain about settings. I, there's certain settings I don't like.

Just play normal. Yeah, please. Could we please? The third on reversal is one thing that I just like, I get over it and I do it, but I hate it. But there are certain things I will not play. I tell you, I really hate it. I really hate it when it doesn't. benefit me. When it benefits me,

I love it. It's just not needed. Like, it's just like, it's stupid. It just overpowers the last three picks. Like, it's so stupid. Yeah, I mean, everything else looks pretty normal. I'm not, I can't really, like, figure out the picks because I can't count them. Yeah, those are

it's got a lot of the six, six, seven, eight, or is in the seven brown. There's actually a polar bear in Arlington, Texas over here. Why is Kyle Pitts even on my screen? Why isn't he in like a 12? as he drafted with a

double tapped he double tapped tight end there and then he double tapped running back yeah he he overpaid by five rounds on both tight ends holy shit

number 12 is probably the worst draft here outside of the quarterback guy he went Herbert Caleb which whatever and he goes marvett 3 1 which whatever

and then Andrews Pitts cook and Pacheco that's objectively terrible yeah the the Andrews and Pitts are awful

The cook as a hero RRBs just saw a pick I wouldn't also pick But then you double tap with Pacheco Yeah Or you could just take Addison Or Waddle Waddle down there Addison he could

I mean he had one receiver I would have took Addison Waddle right there Just I would have double tapped Addison Waddle right there Yeah so some interesting picks here If you want the draft board let me know What's that pick on Darnold Seven what?

7 5 Okay that's all right I had him. It's a decent pick. All right. But if you want the full board, let me know. I can post it in the chat. We can talk about it.

But yeah, just want to talk about some interesting picks here. Picks I liked. Picks I didn't. As we're in this draft. I wish I would have re-rolled my 6-3 pick, probably to McCarthy instead of worthy. Still get Judy at 710. But that kind of is what it is. Can't go back now.

So now we won QB this thing. And we take the late quarterback, which has been my strategy for the five years. I've been, six years I've been doing Dynasty. It's always take the late round quarterback. Yeah, shit's us. Great insight, Buck. Great insight. Really top tier rocket science level.

That's why they pay me the big bucks. That's why they call you Big Bank Buck. No, gap is to say it's ass. Anyway, we're going to take. take another break when we come back. Let's talk some player values, some players we do and don't like, because as you could guess, Buck and I disagree on some things. Okay, we're looking at early trade values, kind of a dynasty price check. We kind of price checked some of these guys using the startup that we looked at just now. So that's good to keep in mind. So I clearly have a stance on

some of these guys. Buck made fun of me for being in a startup. He was very judgmental. He judged me hard, which I didn't appreciate. We're supposed to be in this together. That's fine. I apologize. That's right. I appreciate it. Where do you want to start? Let's start with London. Little points, London. Not so little points, I should say. So I was happy with him drafting him at wide receiver eight. I think it's a good spot for him. If you look around the League for Trades right now since the end of week 17, since the end of

championship weekend. From four days ago, we have Chris Alave and Zay Flowers or Drake London and the 212. London and the 2nd. We have Drake London and the 501.

And the 28 has to be for Brayland Allen and Brees Hall. So just brief for briefs for London, it's London for us. That's how we had it rings. Yep.

I obviously drafted it that way. We have DK and a 251 doesn't say where it is for Drake London from 10 days ago. I'll take London. I would as well. As long as it's not like the 101. Yeah. If it's 104 and beyond, I think. 103.

103 and beyond. I'm taking London. Even like 102, like what's 102? The 102 this year is awful. Probably Tet. I understand if people want to take a shot at Ted McMillan or whatever quarterback they might need. Or maybe the tight end goes nuts. I don't know.

Shout up, I say, Tyler Warren. Yeah. So I think there's some options. But let's talk about it because before panics, he had an 11.1A dot, almost a 40% area yard share, about nine targets per game. Great target share at 27.2%. 30% targets per route run like he was the guy at 2.52 yard for outrun

respectable he's a first read 35.4% Kirk Cousins was looking for him he liked Ray Ray Ray McLeod a little bit too much for us a little bit too much and he had a 16.5 fantasy points per game

16.5 is respectable it's not elite by any means but I feel like it's respectable right keep in mind it took a.J. Brown a while to hit that illustrious 18 points per game. But in his third year,

obviously the week 18 game against Carolina boosts a lot of his statistics, but he got his 100 catches. He got 1,200 yards, 158 targets, 9 touchdowns, right? I'll take that. Multiple games of 10 or more targets, six of those on the year.

He was never really out of games. Obviously, week 1 versus Pittsburgh sucked. The Dallas game sucked, and the Vegas game sucked after that. Well, even the Vegas game, he didn't sink you. But he had a few games. He got hurt one of them. Yeah, there were games where he never really lost you the week. And he didn't really win you the week per se.

Like the Tampa game 33 points won you that week. That was insane. But a bunch of 17s, 18, 17s, 19. He did a lot of 16. Yeah. Which the way that offense was, Kirk Cousin was limited, they couldn't run the rollouts, the play actions, all the stuff. When we saw Michael Pennix come in, and you and I'll argue about him later,

Pennix came in and you can see there was a clear shift in how they wanted to run the offense. And the offense looked pretty good, like arguably pretty good. Against the Giants, it was kind of rough. That's his first game. Good game for him to go in against. Drake London, though, eight targets, five catches, 60 yards. Where's Drake London?

Like, that's how it felt. Where's Drake London? Week 17, Washington. This is the insane game. One of them. The insane overtime game, where we'll talk about Pennix more because of that game. But again, this is another.

Where's Drake London? 13 targets, seven receptions, 106. That's really, really damn good. If you get that, production out of your number one receiver and Panics second year, we're going to love Drake Lenin because let me tell you that Falcons

defense ass. Truly terrible. Needs a lot of work. And then obviously the week 18 game, the 40 Burger, 18 targets, 10 receptions for 187 and then the two scores. That's 23.1 fantasy points per game with Pennis.

A 40 Pennis, you almost got me. Panics. A 45.1 percent first read 39 percent target share 13 targets per game and 117 yards per game that is top five we know that volume matters if we're going to get even the 30 percent target share to 35 target share we're talking about a top five season I don't care how bad you think pennix is penics is good enough to throw the ball downfield to Drake london we saw that in these games they use Drake London differently

than they used him with Kirk Cousins, which we love, and he's targeting him in the end zone, which we love. I love Drake London. If this is what we're going to get out of a 24, it's going to be 24 year old

wide receiver that we know is good. I'm loving this. He's pushing for the player option this year coming up. Yeah, I'm loving it. Wide receiver 8 to 10 is probably where I'm going to settle on London, especially with a,

rookie class. I'm not touching the Travis Hunter thing until we have positional information when the team drafts him and tells us how they're going to use them because there are some people that want them in the top 12 dynasty wide receivers. A lot of devie guys.

I don't see it until I know. Tett, I don't know enough. So 8 to 10 for me. I'm fine with London. We talked about the trades. Where are you at with him? Yeah, I like Lenin. I think London isn't just good.

I mean, I think he's an elite receiver and he's, and he finally broke out, right? Drafting London going into this year, whether it was redraft or a dynasty, you drafted him on a pure projection, right? We had a bunch of underlying metrics that told us that we think London is really good. Similar to early career, AJ Brown,

but even early career, J. Brown was producing better. It was a pure projection to draft London where he was going. He was a second round redraft pick, and in Dynasty, he was like, wider series six or seven. And he hit. I mean, everything we wanted to do, he hit. And now he was also like double insulated at quarterback. He made him a safe, you know, made him a safe dynasty pick because he was double insulated at quarterback. He had Kirk Cousins, which we thought would go better to end, but then he also

had a top 10 pick coming in. With Pennix, I know like I thought he's looked shaky in the three games he played. But that's from a real life standpoint. I thought he missed a lot of passes, especially to London. He missed a lot of passes. London could have had 200 yards in that Washington game. But he's, Penix is almost like the perfect kind of ass for fantasy because he pushes a ball on the field and he target, he hyper targets a receiver. And we know he could, we know he could support a receiver because, me, he supported a bunch of receivers in college that got them drafted highly. And he, me, support at London for three games for the best we've seen. So I think London is actually probably more so undervalued. I think of a lot of players kind of did what

London did he probably be like Dynasty Writers or five instead of eight or nine. Even like he's available in the third round in certain drafts. Like he's going to be a player similar to like Garrett Wilson where like or Kyler Murray last year when I, or two years ago when I was in startup. So I was just picking Kyler Murray at like wherever he was in the second round, I was picking him. I didn't see how far he would go because I was the one drafting him. I don't know if that makes sense.

So with London at the two nine, two 10, we're picking him. If we're not picking him, we don't know. how far he's going to go. Like, he's probably not going to go the next pick. I don't know if that makes sense. I think it's going to always be the highest person on him in the draft. And it's still too, it's still too low. So in other drafts where like we're not in or I'm not in, he probably goes in the third round, which he should never really hit the third round of a startup. But that's how I look at. I look at it like with Kyler Murray. Like I was always picking Kyler at the two five. But everyone else hated Kyler back then. If I just passed on Kyle and two five, probably would

have went at the 32 or whatever, right? We saw a draft set year where he was in the fifth round. but I never let him get to the fifth. I'm not saying that would happen with London, but I think London's undervalued, and probably most drafts, like a guy like Marv is probably going to go ahead or really close, and even Garrett Wilson,

and he's definitely jumped, which is definitely jumped Garrett Wilson. He did everything we wanted Garrett Wilson to do, and Garrett Wilson's stuff's not necessarily because of Garrett Wilson, but we still have to take that into account, and the player pool is just not as good. And like you said, the player pool coming in isn't as good.

Even Tet McMillan, like this isn't a prospect. show, but even him. He's a big body receiver that gets a lot of His best case scenario is Drake London. Yeah, he gets a lot of comparisons to Drake London because he's a fat-ass receiver that is slow. But he doesn't, if you really look at the Ted McMillan stuff, he gets a lot of his production from the slot. He can't really went outside. And I don't, like, all right, I'm not some, I'm not saying I'm Dane Brugler, right? Like, I don't know. I'm not the greatest film guy of all time. Just a

motherfucker with a laptop. But he doesn't. doesn't win, he doesn't win on the outside consistently. A lot of his, a lot of his stuff is from the slot. And it's similar to like Traylon Burks, right? How Traylon Burks got a lot of his production. And that's scary. Like, that's scary. I know we tried, they tried to knock London coming out because a lot of his stuff was contested catches. And it's like, oh, if he's getting contested catches, I mean, he's not getting open. And that kind of has proven to not be true with London. But it has been true in the past. And London is a, a magnificent prospect. He was an elite, elite prospect like that class with him garret wilson kris elabe it was a great class and if people

remember back like and trelon burkes is in that class too which i know we can do business history on burks also was people had him 101 but a lot of people had london as their wider cower one and as the one-o-one like he was no really not going past a 103 in that class he's only in going into year four he's a younger guy he's only like he said it'll be 24 there's like no reason to take a better on him for a rookie or someone who hasn't shown that yet, like a Marvin Harrison. Like best case, we hope Marvin Harrison could have a 1300-yard season like London just had in year three. It's just, it doesn't make sense to me. I think we're kind of almost undervaling London. But he did everything we wanted him to do, like all the stuff we talked about.

And like, like, say, it was a pure projection and it hit. So I like London a lot. And I think he's like a legitimate like foundational dynasty piece. Agreed. Yeah, I agree. I mean, you're getting Drake London as your wide receiver two in a lot of these drafts for us he was the one here but if you take a Jamar chase Cid Lam neighbors whatever and you go back to receiver in round two I mean Drake London wide receiver two that's the type of team I want to have you know that's and like he broke out he broke out and didn't really change price like yeah it doesn't that doesn't even really make sense to me he did not yet it could yeah could change it could change but as a Right now it hasn't.

And I know, like, and even like, he should be like a two and a half first player. I think you send like two 25 ones for him in most leagues and you get him. Yeah. And I think that's a smash. Agreed. Go go buy Drake London at his price. I would be. I definitely would be.

If I could move Marv and get Drake London and anything. Yeah, he's the guy. Even straight up. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, though. But we're saying if just taking. your London is going to go a little bit later than you should probably. Yeah. Then I want, I would

trade Marv for sure and just go and grab London. I would do that. I know at least there's one person that just gasped. An anti, I know, I know we're going to hear it, but it's Drake London. Where do you want to go next? Let's go to your boy. Let's go, let's go to

Beau. My man. Bo fucking Knicks. Multi-time. Millie Maker winner, Bo Nix. Unbelievable what this guy did in his rookie year. He was my favorite pick in rookie drafts.

Let him get to the 202. I moved up to draft him in a couple spots at 11, 11, 112, which, oh no, yeah, I lost out on Brian Thomas Jr. That sucks. 20 point per game quarterback, not a bad consolation price. But he never should have got past

like 201, 202. Brooks, Benson, those guys should never really have been drafted ahead of him. Yes, I took one Brooks ahead of Bonix. That's the downside to portfolio playing where you're like, I should have a share of player X. I'll use this pick to take him here. Should have just used my brain.

But besides the point, let's talk about it, Bo Nix at a 0.51 fantasy points per dropback, a 0.48 fantasy points per opportunity. So surprisingly enough, He provided more when he just dropped back And the design run stuff was not as good for him as scrambles And just sitting back and chucking it A 19.4 fantasy points per game

That's what really impresses me about Bo Nix The points per game You could have just played Bo Nix over Patrick Mahomes most of the year Over a lot of these guys over the year He was that damn good. And it didn't look pretty most of the time. Like that's people's big knock on him. It doesn't look good.

He doesn't move around well. His feet don't settle. Bo Nix, if you remove Milton and Garoppel, and by the way, Milton, unbelievably fun to watch, by the way. Can we talk about that for a second? Yeah. Where are the Giants in the sixth round? Hold on.

Where are we in the sixth round? We can't draft Joe Milton in the sixth round, Joe Shane. And I'm supposed to trust you to pick the next quarterback, and you didn't get fired. And you couldn't find him in the six round. We needed a backup offense alignment. We couldn't find that. You're supposed to be the quarterback whisper that found Josh Allen, you in Dayball. We couldn't take a shout on that in the sixth round.

I saw in the hard knocks thing, they had him highlight it yellow. That meant they wanted to change his position. But we just didn't fire that guy. All right. Sorry. If you remove Carapolo and Milton from this player pool, the one game that they played, Bo Nix is like number, what, eight in points per game at quarterback?

That's insane good. Look at, okay, so Jaden Daniels had 21.5 points. He was the other rookie that was up there. Bo Nix was better than Caleb Williams, C.J. Stroud, I mean, C.J. Stroud was worse than Tanner McKee, but we won't talk about that yet. Better than Anthony Richardson does not super hard to believe. He was unreal. Way better than Drake May.

Like, oh, he had better wept. He had Cortland Sutton, who everyone wrote off for dead. Marvin Mims, who I had written off for dead. We've made fun of him, Mr. Parmesan, right, in Valay, a 30-year-old rookie, wide receiver, tight end basically playing wide receiver made an unreal catch and a bunch of dusty ass running backs.

That's what he had. And nobody at tight end. He just had an infrastructure. He had a coach. He had Sean Payton, which was my argument for him in the preseason. It was Scott Barrett's as well.

He was credited with only nine sacks that were his fault per the Fantasy Points data suite. Five of them came after week eight. That's five sacks for a rookie quarterback credited to being his fault. after week eight by the way fifth best adjusted completion percentage at 79.6% and only an off target throw rate of 12.8%. Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy. Look pretty good. Let's talk about some of the

stuff that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. How about the drop back piss missile? Best throw of the year. This is better, it's a better throw than the Lamar Jackson versus Cincinnati, right? It's a better throw than the Josh Allen roll right fade away that he pulled off to Matt Collins this throw by Bo Neck from like the one yard line the missile to Marvin Mims that he bobbled by the way

that we almost didn't get the completion but the throw was insane so he's got the laser rocket arm that we covet I don't care that he's 24 I don't care that he's older I don't care about age for quarterbacks I want games good but start five years in college at this point be prepared i digress and then let's talk about

the this is going to come back to marvin mims as part of this conversation but the dots he put up to mims in the two touchdown game he's just looked good now you can't help that against cincinnati Sean Payton did not coach that team to win the game. And overtime, the second play you run is a little checkdown screen. That was soft to me. I felt like he was not trying to win the game. He was coaching safe. He was coaching to not lose the game.

Ended up losing the game. I don't think that's on Bo Nix at all. The running in week 18? Insane. He just took off. When he is taking off, man, I... It looks kind of Josh Alleny. He hasn't run people over, but the speed is there.

The intent is there. I mean, he can run for well over 500 yards in a season. He can rush like Russell Wilson. He's accurate or was accurate down the stretch. I mean, what is there not to like about Bo Nix? Why shouldn't I draft him in the third, fourth round? We want to talk about second year quarterbacks. He had 430 rushing yards.

He had 29 passing touchdowns. Yes, he had some turnovers. They didn't exactly have a cakewalk schedule either. He put the ball up almost 570 times. He finishes as the QB7, 3,700 yards. Like, we're so spoiled in our rookie quarterback seasons that Bo Nix's season is like, pretty good. Like, it's okay.

It's not being called elite. This is an elite rookie year. It's an elite rookie year. Jane and Daniels was hurt. Okay, he missed, miss some games. Not, didn't even really miss games. He's just hurt through games quite clearly. But more touchdown passes, more passing yards,

400 less rushing yards, ish, with six touchdowns. So that's really the big difference. One was, one was QB7. One was QB5. One was drafted sometimes at the 101. Definitely drafted in the top. three and the other was drafted in the second round.

Like, they're both 24 years old. So age isn't it? So Buck, why? Why is one being drafted third? And why should I feel some, like, why would I feel any sort of guilt for drafting Bo Nix in like the third and fourth round? I don't think you should feel guilt.

I think the main difference obviously is, I mean, Jane Daniels is elite, elite rusher. I mean, he has a chance to rest for a thousand yards in a season. We know, Bo Nix won't. And so that's, I think that's where the disparity comes from. I don't really think Bo Nix should necessarily be in the third, fourth round. I was going to kind of be low. I was higher on him and coming out as a prospect.

I think a lot of people kind of shit on him. And then when Sean Peyton picked him, they tried to laugh at Sean Payton, especially in the beginning of the season when he said, whatever he tricked, you know, he tricked the Vikings and whatever. People tried to laugh at him. But we don't know how that would have gone with McCarthy didn't play. But he was super convinced on Boe Nix. And I don't, like, I thought I was going to be lower on him coming in, but I don't think he should be in the third or fourth round.

I think he should be higher than that. I thought he would be higher than that. So I think he's a good pick and a good pillar. I don't think, I mean, as far as like his rookie season, it was great. And I don't know if people are like so spoiled at rookie seasons where they think it's bad or more so they're spoiled by, or not spoiled, but more so nervous about second year of quarterbacks because we've seen rookie quarterbacks come onto the scene and be really good. Then there's a year of tape on them and then they're bad. I mean, we could talk about Stroud, we can talk about Mack Jones, and we can argue that they're different than Bo Nix. I get it. But Mac Jones was really good as a rookie man. He was really, really good. And then all of a sudden, he wasn't really good. But what Bo Nix has, he has champagne and champagne is not going anywhere. And that infrastructure is going to be the same. And they should be recouping some, you know, some picks here soon. Another thing like that happened with the Broncos is they made the playoffs this year with the largest dead cap in NFL history. with the Russell Wilson thing.

They were super strapped. They had no money. They couldn't do anything. So, found a way to get into the playoffs. So now they actually, when that burden is like off their shoulders with the rust thing,

we'll actually have money to spend to add players, add receivers to get it, to actually have drugs. They spent a first round pick on their coach. Like, they didn't have a first round pick. They spent it on their coach the year before.

So they'll finally have resources coming in to make the team a lot better. And Sean Payton at first looked like, I'm like, man, he's washed. This dude's so cocky. like he sucks now he's back to shampi and like he he he's definitely back he might even find his way to like an alvin kamara i might find that his way there or something they'll

they'll get something this off season they're gonna draft a guy this this this is this is a draft class to find your guy yeah they'll they'll add singleton finding his way to denver over if he comes out yeah there's a lot yeah a lot of running backs a lot of receivers they'll be i mean if they lose in the first round they'll be let's look let's look cj stroud was 23 so he's a year younger. And his rookie year had fewer touchdown passes. Yes, he had fewer turnovers. He got lucky.

Brett Whitefield has talked about that at great length. He had 4,100 yards. Okay. So what, 400 more yards-ish? And rush for 167 yards as a rookie in three touchdowns. Bo Nix had a better point per game than C.J. Stroud in his rookie year. And C.J. Stroud is still going in the first round.

He doesn't run. Yes, he ran for 233 yards this year. Fantastic. He doesn't run. I called him the worst pick at 103 possible. He's still a bad pick in the late one if you're just pulling bonnix. And he doesn't have the pedigree maybe. I'm sure.

He's kind of a meme. This is why I've said before, just draft players that Twitter calls a meme. He runs and he's got the coach. This is the guy that got quarterback one out of Taysam Hill. Like truly insane. The dead carcass of Drew Brees being dragged onto the field. like this is Sean Peyton got a better season out of Russ Wilson

than Pat Mahomes last year for at least eight games yeah like I said I would draft I would draft Bo Necks I'll I'll say this people that are drafting Drake May in the second round have them I'll take Bo Nex and yeah I'm I think I mean I do think the upside's a lot higher or Drake may I also think upside kind of gets thrown around a lot sometimes where it's like just like it's like a cool thing to say when it doesn't really sometimes doesn't always have merit but I would like I am kind of shocked that Bo Nix isn't a second round pick and it's not the same that I want to pick him there but I'm shocked that

he's not going if Drake May rushes for 800 yards throws for almost 4K and throws 29 touchdown passes he's still going to get drafted ahead of Bo Nix will I imagine and then we're like well Bo Nix just did it. And yes, he's a couple of years. I don't care about Agent quarterback. That's another thing. Me either. Me either.

Agent quarterback is what? Do you run? Yeah? Can you score rushing touchdowns? Yeah? Can you, do you have a howitzer? Yeah. And are you a little bit inaccurate?

Kind of sounds like Bo Nix is a lot more like Drake May than. So I don't care about AJ quarterback when it comes to drafting them and like, oh, this guy is 29 and this guy is 20. like Anthony Richardson versus Baker Mayfield, right? I don't care about age in that aspect of those two players because I think Baker Mayfield would be a starter longer than Anthony Richardson will be in the league. So I don't care that Anthony Richardson's only 20, whatever, right?

And Baker Mayfield is seven years older. I care about it, though, when it comes to players like Bo Nix and Drake May a little because Bo Nix is 24, I do expect him to be better earlier, right? And then you start, I do expect him to be better. better earlier and I do expect him to taper off earlier as far as hitting a ceiling. And if this is Bonick ceiling, I mean, this is fine, right? Like, he'll get a little better. But when you look at Drake Mayer, he's 21, I think. And when you look at him, 22, so what does he look like in three years?

Like, as far as his frame and everything, what does he look like? He could be a monster in three. So I look at it. I care about it in that aspect, but I don't care about it when it comes to, like, oh, I can't draft him. Mayfield. He's 30 years old. Yeah, I think that's a fair way to look at it. It's just 22 to 24 is like, I don't. It's not for me. But he was unreal. And especially in the back half of the year, he showed the improvement.

He went toe to toe with, I'm not going to be like, he beat the chiefs. That wasn't the real Kansas City Chiefs. But they laid the lumber. Yeah, he step at it against so much back goes. But it wasn't the whole defense was that you can only sit so many guys. so it wasn't like they just put a practice squad team on the field and beat them it wasn't Carson Wentz was awful in that game too by the way it did not help but he he was awful he did what he had to do he did what he had to do now he gets a playoff buffalo and I'm sorry

but your playoff games I don't really let them affect fantasy too much I just like to see a player like do well yeah but if he goes out there and those five touchdowns it's affecting them a thousand percent it will and I'll use that to my advantage and if he goes out and plays terribly, I'm going to discount it and say that it doesn't matter because that's how we operate here. I love Bo Nix. We're going to talk about him as a savant play, and I'll explain why. But I'm all about Bo Nix.

I'm going to probably be all about him in that third round. If he ever falls to the fourth round, I'm just dunking and smashing the button. That's like trade up to get level worthy stuff, in my opinion. So we'll see how it plays out. Yeah, and again, I understand there is accuracy concerns. We're going to get second year stuff. He runs. So to me, that's the deal breaker.

I'll pass on Stroud. I'll pass. I'll wait for Knicks. If you liked Anthony Richardson, draft Bo Nix. You'll be happier. You will because Bo Nix will still be starting in the NFL next year by the end of the year. That's a little shot at AR here, but still. Okay.

I liked it. Let's take a break. When we come back, we're going to keep going. Where do you want to go next? Let's go to his teammate. Let's go to Mims, because I don't know why we're talking about him. So let's talk about him fast. It's important to talk about Marvin Mims here.

So Marvin Mims, there's a report that they want to get them more involved at the line of scrimmage. Now, I talked to Brett Whitefield about Marvin Mims because I have been a very much detractor, still am. It's important to know how Marvin Mims is getting his production. A lot of screens, a lot of swings, a lot of stuff out of the backfield, and then the go route.

The deep ball, the deep route is what Mims was all about. It's this other way of them getting them the ball. 20.6 points per game through week 6 through 18. Keep in mind that Kansas... 16. 16 to 18. Sorry, 16, 18. Keeping in mind

the week 18, Kansas City, a lullaby. On only 11.5 expected fantasy points per game, that's where the problem sits with me. That's a big, you can't ignore that. That is a huge, massive difference. That is, what, a 9.1 point differential?

That is insane efficiency, because, again, he's catching the ball, he's getting screens, et cetera, and then obviously the deep ball. Things that I liked, I like that he's getting aggressive in double coverage and coming down with the football. That was kind of insane versus Cincinnati.

Multiple deep shots there. He's definitely a flex level player, right? If you want him as your last flex spot with this usage, I think that's totally fine. A 33% targets per route runs. So when he's out there, they get him the football. A 16.5 air yard share is fine. The 17% target share is not.

great. That's not great. It's not the worst, but it's not anything elite. The thing about Marvin Mims is that he scores in in bunches. I don't think he's a bad player to buy into. He's clearly out of the doghouse. This is one thing Brett had mentioned. He's out of the doghouse now. They are finding great success as an offense using him. Now he scored four touchdowns in back-to-back games against a horrendous Cincinnati defense, like Buck mentioned, more backups than not versus Kansas City. That's important to keep in mind. He is a player that I'm on the watch list.

He's on my watch list. I want to pay attention to what his ADP is. He's somebody that I want to draft or acquire some of, if I can, while he's cheap. and if he jumps above an ADP threshold, 10th round, I'm out. But there's worse picks you could make in like the 11th, 12th, and 13th round on a guy

who may be in year three. Well, they don't have the draft picks to acquire more wide receivers, really. The free agent receiver class is good, but not sort of elite. He's somebody I'm interested in keeping tabs on. And I think he should be someone you're keeping tabs on. The last eight weeks of the year, his per is yards per route run.

Marvin Mims out did Puka. He had 4.3. Puka's 4.2. Obviously, receiving. On a fraudulent sample. Last eight weeks. And so. And then we look at, we look at, again, I want to see more wide receiver-ish route.

that to me will be what really differentiates him from being a legit buy, right? I don't think you can live off of screens and just deep balls and be a consistent. Like that's the Jameson will, the early Jameson Williams usage. Reverses screens deep ball. Jameson Williams actually developed to being a half decent to good route runner he still has some through contact stuff, etc, et cetera. If you get that kind of growth from Marvin Mims,

you're going to be happy with it, and you're going to be happy you invested. So he's fast, he can break some tackles, and he's a hell of a screen player, and he can win downfield. That's a good start. So he's on my watch list, Buck.

He's not on my list of must-haves, but I'm more open to him being better than a zero than I was before. The usage is nice. I want to see it develop. Not a zero. Hashtag not a zero. Not a must have. He's kind of in the things I would like to have category, if that makes sense.

He's not a need. He's not a want. Things would be nice to have. Yeah, I have zero interest in rostering any Marvin Mims at all. I think if you could use this and sell him for any second, you should. You talk about for the last eight weeks, so like in week 10, these are his target numbers from week 10 on when he started to play. Week 10 was the first week, he broke more than three fantasy points, by the way. He had seven points.

From week 10 on, he had four, two, five, four, four, five, five. eight and five. That's his target or that's yeah, it's his target numbers from week 10 on. Most targets, week 17 was eight. He's barely clearing five targets. We talk about we won him like, like, oh, they say they want to use him more. They've been wanting to use him more since his first,

since his rookie season in the beginning. Like my brother, Sean Payton, you are the coach. Like Sean Payton has a, has a press conference every week saying how he wants to get him more involved and you put him on the field more. It's you put,

you're the coach. But they have though. Like, they find, I guess finally, but he's still, like, he's still, that room is terrible. And he just finally got on the field. And he's barely, he's still like, he's just hitting on the deep ball. His yardage totals still since week 10, 13, 49, 44, 105. That was the, that was the Monday night football game with the big Bo Nix play, the 105, 20, 662, 103, and 51. So, yeah, I mean, I'm not interested.

I'm really not interested because if you talk about the 11th round and things like that, I mean, I feel like Cortland Sutton is probably also available in the 11th round because no one cares about him. And he's the actual wider zero one that's getting alpha targets and a thousand yards. I'd rather just draft him even though I know he's going into his age 30 season. Like, I rather just pick him. I think there's a lot less chance of Cortland Sutton getting replaced, especially at his role, the role he plays. And he has really good, really good chemistry at Bowen Nix. And if he does get moved off of, like if they move, they might, they'll probably extend him.

They move off him. I mean, I feel like court and sudden has a role in a different team somewhere. So I rather distract Bo Nix. I rather just draft Cortland Southern 11th round if I was picking up Broncos receiver. I think if you can use this to sell Mims, I mean, I would. I do recognize and realize and know that Bo Nix, oh, my God, can you want to say Bo Nix? Marvin Mims was a solid prospect come out of Oklahoma. Like, he was a good, he was a good prospect analytically.

Like a lot of people liked him analytically. He really shined analytically. He didn't necessarily have some of the counting numbers and stuff. Anna Lillithy was a really good prospect. I even, like, I drafted him in second rounds in places because I thought he was a super underrated player. And it just hasn't happened. He face pointed as a rookie and now this.

So I think if, I think this is a player that if you have on your roster and you held him this long and he finally has some value, this is time to get out. Yeah, I'm just, I'm willing to be a little more open-minded on the idea. I love Knicks. I want his weapons. Year three, can his role... Here's the big question. Sean Payton said,

this is what we're going to do. He finally started to do it. It started slow. The reason why I asked Brett Whitefield about this stuff, because he looks at it from more of a neutral lens than I would.

He said he's gotten better. He looks great. He said, but his role needs to grow. So can his role grow? I think there's room too. If he continues to just be this gadgety type player, yeah, I'm going to be way out.

Way out. I think there's worse things you can do than having somebody in your last flex spot in season, especially when injuries come around. That can either score you three or score you 25. This is the same approach. This is the same approach I had with James and Williams. So now if we get, let's say we get into this playoff game against Buffalo

and Marvin Mims is out there and he still carves him up, you know what I mean? Like I can see being a little bit excited. it is important to take into context. The last two games being against a god-awful Cincinnati and then like you said, the Kansas City Sleepwalk game. That's important to note.

Four touchdowns in two games. It's going to boost your value. I say it a lot. The last couple of games of the year, regardless of how they affect you, obviously you won championships if you played Marvin Mims. And if you did, I want to see it. I don't know anybody that started them.

That's a player I had against. And he would smoke me. didn't but that's a player that would smoke me for some bread i already know yeah but people will remember that and people will hold on to that more than they'll hold on how bad they were this is the travis etn thing that kept them in the third round because of what he did championship weekend right is that same conversation but with mims like i said i'm not bought in i'm not super hyped about it i'll have a few more than i've had before and i'm not i'm not ashamed of that he feels like who was someone who was once in the ninth and tenth round after a second year like this feels like me called hardman

a little bit it felt like that and like meiko was going like people don't know he was going and he he broke single digit rounds at one point funny that you mentioned that we're going to talk about another player that's kind of me cole hardman like coming up but with mims we'll see we'll see where his adp actually winds up because i'll tell you the people that believed in him are using these two games like I told you. This is it. We're already getting. We've already gotten shit on about that. Yeah.

But again, it's a lot of screen passes, a couple of goals, routes, and four touchdowns. So, sensibly speaking, we can use what we know and not look at this as a flag planting. I told you so, moment. Because, again, more often than not when you do that, it's going to come back. to get you. No, for sure. That's not us. But what I want to do is I want to look at this objectively.

I want to look at this as a possibility that maybe his role will grow into something. He's also the type of player that could fumble twice and never see the field again. So there's also that. But if there is ever a year to not worry about wide receivers coming in and taking away what he's doing, this is a good year for that. So I'm more inclined to say that the Broncos offense kind of stays pat and look down the stretch marvin mims has been a part of the breakout for bow nicks so it'll be hard for me to say like yeah i don't want his receivers but i want bo nix i think there's

a path here i think there's a pathway for his value to really go up and not even just a value i think it's possible that he Marvin mims elite wide receiver one wide receiver two hell no but a flex play tight player that could get five touches in a game and on any one of those touches score I'm more into. I'm more into because you need those players throughout the year so any second

I don't think so but if you wouldn't take any second from as I was saying or you saying you don't think you can get it. I don't know enough about the draft class oh any second from but when I tell you this draft class is

short on depth at elite positions. Yeah, I'll take my chances. I mean at 212 like yeah. I don't know. I'll take my chance. You can give me a 2029 second. I'll take it. Okay. I'm not there. I'm not there. If you could trade mims for Cortland Sutton, you should be doing that. I don't have any mims. Me either. I had one. I traded it. So I guess it would be hard for me to say with confidence that I wouldn't do that. I don't think I have any. I traded him at his peak before. He's He's just a player that I would like to trade for any second like that. I just don't care.

Like honestly, just don't care about. He's similar to like, Danteo on Wix, so I just got the 212 for. Like, I'll just take the 212 when I'll take my shots. Yeah.

I think, I think Mims is a better play than what a Wix is, but a lot of that comes, a lot of that comes with the coach and now the quarterback that I really like. So I've, I've come to really appreciate what Mims is doing. There's just some things that I want to see. I think it's fair to say there's just some things.

things that I want to see. I think it's fine. Yeah. I'm not here to like, you'll never hear me make concrete best on players. Like call players ask for sure and like, oh, I don't do that. But I know that I feel, I feel like I have enough information on Marvin Mims that I'm fine moving off. Yeah. I'm, I'm intrigued. That's why I said, things I would like pile for me.

Things I would like pile. We can talk about the things that I really don't like, and that's C.J. Stroud. Actually, you know what we didn't do? I want to look at what some of his trades look like. Interesting, actually. One day ago, Marvin Mims and Kendry Miller or Michael Pittman Jr. and the 409. Wow, we can, Pittman is like, he's disrespect.

He's getting mad disrespect, but his quarterback is probably Anthony Richardson, which is good. Good to see a couple of good games down the stretch from Pittman, knowing that he still could actually, he's still capable of being a good receiver. Yeah. I liked seeing it.

Trust me. I had people telling me I should be fired for arguing that he's not worse than wide receiver 36 in the league. So nice to see that for me. And the hashtag, please don't fire me brand. That was important for me. But yeah,

he only had one game under nine fantasy points, one game of 3.9. That was against Tennessee at a 20-pointer. I like to see that. That's an interesting trade to me. And we've got Jerry Judy and Marvin Mims for Jalen Waddle. that's easy for me that's a cheap waddle I know he's like even that startup you showed that he's like going near

Judy I think that's a massive mistake I think the offensive coordinator shift in Cleveland is going to be interesting the fact that they got rid of Dorsey is an interesting decision it clearly wasn't his fault and we don't know who's playing quarterback we don't know who's playing quarterback so two things could be interesting that trade you either way if you want out on Waddle. I get it. I get it. We just drafted Judy at 710. I'm okay with 710 Judy,

given that he was getting targeted with DTR and Zappy against the Ravens. So I'm okay with that fifth six wide receiver on your team. Pretty happy. And then Marvin Mims and the 262. So we know how you go. Yep. I'm taking the 262. So I like the 26 class right now. That seems, I mean, all those chase seem like Mims has like legitimate value. you should be selling him. I could see it being a sell. Yeah. Those are all, like,

it's all being traded for real players. A 26 second, a 25 third, a 25 fourth, a 26 third, and a 26 fourth, four, Injoku,

wicks, and mims. How many seconds were in there? One. I want the, I want Injoku. That's what I was thinking to. So he can be a buy like that.

He can be a, a buy in that regard. You can get him kind of tossed in for like a third. I'm okay with that. Yeah, for sure. He's going to be a player that's really hard to buy by himself, but he's a player. I mean, we know how we've done these things, but I could see, I could just throw him in a deal. Like if I'm pissed off and I need to get a deal done, so I was like, I need more of

mims. I could just throw him in. Like, it's just, I would be the guy that has to throw in the extra player to get the deal done because no one ever wants to trade fair. I always need to throw in my third or my. my Mario Mims or something but I can see myself just give me it because I'm Let's talk about Amari Cooper Buck

Let's talk about him I wish we would have had that recorded I had the greatest rant in my life With Buck In a private Discord chat That we were in Discussing a trade and how it went down And Amari Cooper was being terrible

Buck was mad that he had to throw him in What a rant I wish we had that one I was an all-time clip. That's an all-time clip that I wish we had. Let's talk about Kenan Allen. Let's talk about Keenan Allen. Bad Keenan Allen.

Okay. I think we need to hit C.J. Stroud here. Let's do it. I'm out. I'm out. Do you remember C.J. Stroud was supposed to be saved because Nico Collins was coming back. Since Nico Collins returned in week 11, this is from Ryan Heath.

28th in adjusted net yards per attempt, 24th in EPA per play, 28th in yards per game in passing. For perspective, New England beat them in all of these categories. This is second year and he got his elite receiver back. This guy going in the first round in startups at 103 was on the projections that he was going to come out and throw 5,000 yards, 4,000 yards. I'm sorry, Nico Dell and Diggs were healthy to start the year. and Stroud was still underwhelming. I know because I had to play that dude. Popular MVP pick.

Popular MVP pick, drafted at the 103 in startups. It's going to be the hit of my career. People are probably sick of me talking about it. He's still going at the one nine. I said I didn't like it where you took him in that draft. I don't know if he should be in the second round either. I can't with this dude. He was flat out bad.

Flat out bad. I can't do it. I'm not trading four. them from weeks 11 to 18 buck dj stroud was worse than mac jones and points for game was barely better than will levis cd shodd at 12.5 points for game will levis had 11.7 mac jones 14 brutal cooper rush was more playable brutal brutal neco collins was regarded as the top five dynasty wide receiver we'd like oh cooper rush had cd lamb okay c jrude had cj stroud had Nico Collins, this top five dynasty wide receiver from weeks 11 through 18.

We saw him go ahead as Jemar Chase and a in season startup. Yep, and it was a legitimate argument in the chat. Oh, yeah. And who won that league again? I don't know. I think we did. I think we did too. I think we did too.

Shout out. Fantasy point listener league five. So then what's the excuse? Bo Nix, 22.3 points per game, by the way, down that stretch. Bryce Young, 21. point four points per game down that stretch by the way Anthony Richardson 20.6 points per game and Buck hates

this dude hates his profile picture hates everything about him probably the music he listens to the music he makes shout out GVO Gainesville on Anthony Richardson that's his rap name that's his rap name is this bad as Cadarius Tony Tony slides shout like Cadarius I'm waiting for the new tape

to drop oh my god well Young Joker. Won't have to wait from the drop passes anymore because that dude is never getting a job again. XFL Superstar. He was on the Browns and said. I saw him off a punt. Exactly.

Exactly. Put that on the mixtape for the, you know, the Instagram real. Terrible. What a terrible player. But yeah, I can't with C.J. Stroud.

And he's still going for elite prices. I can't. He doesn't run. which is a big thing for me. And yeah, you had 200 some. You go, maybe he can get to 300. Okay. I can't, dude.

I can't. And my whole argument with him was like, well, quarterback of dynasty is really bad. He should be a top six, top eight. That was last year when we talked to Scott Barrett. And I think six and eight is like too high. It's probably too high. Like, let's look at some of these deals.

C.J. Stroud or Derek. car and the 111. I'll take Stroud there. I'll take Stroud there. I'm not insane. We got Jalen Macmillan and C.J. Stroud for Garando, Goff, and McCaffrey. So it was MacMillan and Stroud for Grendo Goff McAll. Cedar Shott by a lot. C.J. Shot is I don't know if it's by a lot for me. Gough and Stroudre. It's just just just McCaffrey and McAffrey for McMillian. it's like yeah if you're talking about production wise at goff and stroud i want the show well stroud's on my mcmillan's on my side was trout right yes yes so you don't even like mcmillan it's like are you trading mcalfrey for mcmillan i don't think i mean i'd rather have mcalfrey but i don't like care

about mcalfre very much so it's just shop i know i don't want to make that train you're looking at pure production wise golf can easily be what strout is easily It is better. I think it really honestly depends on this. It kind of depends if you actually like what you think you're going to get from McCaffrey. Because if you don't think you're going to get much for Macafrey, I don't think that's right. I'm just saying it's not an easy slide to me. You've got from three days ago, Lawrence Otten, two 2027 seconds and the 310 or C.J. Stroud.

I'll take Stroud. I'll take Lawrence. They're both bad. they both have been bad and now we get we get with BTJ and I disagree I think Lawrence is definitely bad

I think Lawrence was definitely bad I think shot at a bad second season I think he had Bobby's awful but I know I know Trevor Lawrence is bad like for fantasy and real life like I know he's not good and I know he's played four seasons and he was bad in all the seasons

so the thing with Lawrence is like we want oh if they get Ben Johnson And Ben Johnson's like, but if they don't, then what? Then he's just back to Trevor Lawrence and all once. Like, I understand some of the lore for Lawrence. I know one pick, elite prospect, has elite receiver now. Like, I get it. Like, he has an pentagon player.

Like, I'd rather just have Stroud. Like, I'd rather just have Stroud. I see it. Like, I get it. Like, I'm not naive. I understand. So Trevor Lawrence being bad this year had 15.3 points per game. It's- With him being bad.

Right? If I could upgrade, if I could move off CJ Strauss rookie year was 19 points per game. So that's, that's good. But 12.5? Yeah, and a lot, I mean, a lot went into it. I mean, Bobby Sloop was legitimately horrendous.

He was terrible. Okay. Press Taylor is awful. Yeah, he is. But Trevor Lawrence played for more than just him. He's Trevor Lawrence. Doug Peterson has been awful. He's that coach.

Like, he doesn't call the offense. He was, he was calling the offense. awful. He's a super bowl winner. He was brought in to fix Lawrence. He was brought in to fix the office. And he did. He gave him the best, his best season was the second year.

He was like 25 touches apics. Already gone. Like, you give me extra assets on top of similar. Similar and similar enough production. Yeah, but I all like. 20, 27 seconds, the 310.

I don't care about K. And we got, we got ripped off on that one. You got ripped off. on that one. We got ripped off on that one. Yeah, I don't know. It's enough for me. Two seconds on top of Lawrence from Stroud.

Yeah, I'm good with it. I'm fine with that. C.J. Stroud is in the Pylon quarterback echelon. He is, he was, I said this last year, too. CJ Stroud's five interceptions. You should have had nine to ten per like our Brett Whitefield and our charting team. Should have. He's doing the same things this year that he did last year.

it just he's not getting away with it as much, if at all. And that would have drastically changed his points for game. Easily could have brought him from a 19 to like a 16 and a half. And we look at him completely different this year anyway. And we talked about that on dynasty points when I went head to head against Jacob with CJ Stroud. Yeah, I don't know. It's real.

Perception of him is real. It's different. Like, I get it. Like, I don't want to click him, but I also don't want to just like. I'm not clicking. I also don't want to just, like, write him off. Like, I know what I saw as a rookie. And I don't want to, I don't want to just be like, oh, this dude, this dude sucks now.

Now, I watched him. I know he was doing, because he's doing the same, like I said, he's doing the same things. Like, he was, I mean, he was, he was a special rookie. And I don't want to just, like, we do that all the time. He's a quarterback. I'd rather Brock Purdy. And he's, I wouldn't. Purdy is bad, like actually bad.

But, Kay, this is what pisses me off about the quarterback conversation. Purdy is bad. Better for fantasy. Has been since he's been a starter. Better for fan. Getting his contract. We hope. He is.

We think. And that team's going to be depleted when he gets it. With Kyle Shanahan? We watched Purdy. He was bad at the end of the season. He had a good game with that last game. He was better than Stroud. So if Purdy was bad, he's still better than Stroud.

Stroud was bad. Purdy's still better. We have more of us. sample size like strata play two years and one year was amazing as a rookie and you have to click one in one in the first round one in the third and fourth round it needs to hold weight one has the perception of he's bad and one still has this perception that is elite i'll i'll take the cheaper guy and i'll still be happy like like i get it i'm not even saying like you're wrong i don't want to click him in the first round i think he should go i think he's going to go in the first round that's why i picked him

in the first round the mock trail he's going to go in the first round i mean i like we can argue he should be in the second, but I don't think you should be in the third. He has too much installation, too much job security for that. And he's like, he's going to get a new O.C. And a new coach, well, not a new coach, but a new O.C. And then we'll see what they do with Stefan Diggs. He has Nico. And I don't know. Like, I don't want to say Stroud is bad. I mean, if he's bad next year, I mean, I'll concede, but I'm not going to sit here and say to do something. I know. It's like, what's bad? Brock Purdy needs a lot of things to go his way. And he's had a lot of things go his way. So does

Stroud apparently, like with what we know. If you take Party with Bat, Pertie's first year as a starter, his second year in the league, still right up there with Stroud. Purdy's second year, or his third year and then second year's starter. Pretty good.

Damn good. And we also, we're also drafting for value, right? Like, we know Purdy's never moving in value. He's never going up. Yeah, that's okay. I don't think Stroud would need. We saw Stroud go at the, he was the 102. We time go to the 101. He was, he was there, though, because of the projection. This is his rookie year.

Next year he's throwing for 5,000 yards, 40 touchdowns because he did this as a rookie. He doesn't run, so I don't care. Yeah, but if he goes out and he has a couple of games to start the year, he'll go right back into the first round. You muted yourself? Just like Trevor Lawrence. He was terrible. And then he was in the first round, and he was terrible. Then he had a couple of good games, second year. Then he was right back in the first round again. He went in the first round for whole offseason to Trevor Lawrence again Justin Herbert Joe Burrow

I mean he'll find his way back yeah and I'm still not gonna draft his ass I won't do it because he doesn't run I don't care he ran literally like 240 yards fantastic happy for him Brock Purdy by the way

18.8 points per game with the depleted offense and he's ass 0.2 points worse and C.J. Stroud was an illustrious elite rookie a year. 18.8 points per game.

I don't appreciate the Coleridge Bernard disrespect man. What? That's CJ Shad's real name.

Jesus. That's almost as bad as McCorkel. No wonder he goes by CJ. I just

I don't know where the Jay comes from. I don't I don't get it, man. You can play guys like

Russ Wilson and have a reasonable range at Derek Carr. And that's fine. reasonable range of outcomes. And that's fine. That's not wrong,

but that's not the argument. It is for me. It's not for me, though. See, that's where you get. He's not, he's not that much, he's not that much better to be multiple rounds different

than other guys in his tier. We want to say, we want to say he should be with Brock Purdy and, uh, Baker and stuff. It's fine. I would prefer Baker. Like head to head straight up.

Mm-hmm. Like if I had, I wouldn't. So if I, if I, sent you C.J. Stroud if I sent you Baker

for Stroud or not, you'd accept the truth. I would not, no. So you don't. But why would I? Yeah, but you say you prefer them head to head. You don't then. Sure. But that's

And if I prefer them at, you prefer them at cost. I had no, if I had no idea that they're being valued three rounds apart. Yeah. But I know that that's not what the value is.

Like, but if I'm like, hey, do I draft this guy at 1-9 or do I just wait to take Baker? That's fine I agree with you. I agree with you. That's that cost. If I had a team if like that's

that's what I'd be going out to do it like going out and doing. That's fine. And that's what I care about. That's all I care. Baker is probably the most underrated QV to get. Like I agree. But yeah but you still not climbing where he should have climbed to based on

his production. We want to talk about that. Yeah, he should be ahead of. So you're Shroud yeah for sure there's only one pylon quarterback that should be in the upper tier and it's Joe Burrow he's the only one because the seasons where he stays healthy he deserves to be there it just i can't with CJ Stroud dude he needs talk about this is one thing i hate about quarterbacks too talk about quarterbacks needing things to be perfect purdy needs things to be perfect so does CJ Stroud he needs to throw three touchdowns a game and have 300 yards to be elite because he doesn't run.

They weren't perfect in his rookie season, though. What's that? They weren't perfect in his rookie year. He's never had a situation like five interceptions is perfect. I mean, like the situation. It was insane. His turnovers were insane. He had I and T luck.

I mean, that happens. Yeah. And if he, that's what I'm saying, it needs to be perfect for him to be elite. Because if that I and T luck changes at all, we look at his rookie season differently, period. Yeah, but then sometimes it just does.

But sometimes that's like not always like, there was one, like two years ago, right? There was the Josh Allen when the like 17 drop picks. So I go, he sucks. And then he didn't. He runs. So it didn't matter. Yeah,

but it was like, but it was like, oh, it's going to go back. He's going to go back. He's going to go to 25 picks next season. I know he didn't, though.

He is one of the most turnover prone quarterbacks on the NFL. I just, do you don't remember that year? It was like, well, he's ass because he had, you don't remember that. It was like,

first or second break out. I'm reminded about, I'm reminded about, I'm reminded about Josh Allen everything, every single week on Twitter. But I also know that this dude throws 18, 14, 15 interceptions in a season when they sit back there and throw the ball constantly. He does throw picks constantly, but he runs. 500, 500, 500, 700, 400, 500, 500, 500, 500, 5, 10, touchdowns, 12, 15, 7, 6, 9, 8. Doesn't matter if he throws picks.

CJ Stroud, it matters. Quarterbacks that don't run need the same things. Touchdown efficiency? a ton of volume, high pass rate over expected teams. You know who that sounds an awful lot like is Justin Herbert? But Justin Herbert runs. Baker doesn't run. He does a shit ton of picks.

He does throw a shit ton of picks, but he has hyper touchdown efficiency and volume. Thank you a second in the league. I think it was 42. He was 378 yards and three touchdown. See, there you go. He broke out as a rusher for the first time of year seven, right? That could be Ced. Baker was QB10 last year?

threw some picks, had high volume, high touchdowns. I'll just take Baker. But because of the cost, if Baker ended up and above Stroud, I would just, but all these, I just hate this party needs things to be, all these dudes needed to be perfect. Jared Goff needed it to be perfect, hyper touchdown efficiency, a rushing touchdown or two, and a ton of volume. There you go. That's your path to the pylon quarterback.

That's what CJ Stroud is. he's not just going to become a runner. So I'm out. And I'm not trading his elite price for him. He is a out-tier-down type quarterback to me. If next year he comes out and he balls out to like a 17-18 points per game, even a 19-point-per-game, guess what I'm going to do? I'm going to check to see if he had hyper-touchdown efficiency and a ton of volume,

and if he fell into the end zone a couple of times because that's what he needs to do. Is Vladie on your shirt? he is current nice i like that got these got these in toronto by the way his fake this is his fake gold gloves t-shirt i like that but yeah that's that's that's just what cj strout has to do man i'm out i'm out i'm out of his cost i'm out at his dynasty price i think we need to look at him objectively he was bad i think he did things i don't i don't disagree like he was i mean he had an anthracine game he had like an 11 for 30 yeah well so josh allen but people won't want to tell.

They threw tour dates. Just like the fake. The fake MVP, Josh Allen. Got to give it to him because Lamar already has to. Hilarious. Truly hilarious. Do we want to do a couple of restaurant trades if there's any? And then we'll see.

And then we could move on or we could be almost going to wrap it up. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure he's not someone who gets traded at like a super high volume. Not traded at a super high volume at all. Only a handful. I did talk about them. What are you talking about? We did.

We did. We did. Oh, we did. Oh, my fault. Far. Fuck. I'm losing it. I'm losing it. This one, though.

DJ Stroud or Bo Nix in a 26 second. Taking Bo Nix. I take Stroud. I don't like, I don't like trades like that. I don't like the one-for-one trades with just a second. They're stupid of me. So I would. I'll just stop.

Bonix. It's fine. Yeah. I just don't. I hate that structure. Bonix runs. Runs well. Rushing touchdown upside.

We'll see that. Touchdown next year. we will but one runs and one has Sean Payton I just I'm gonna be okay making that bet I'm gonna be okay making that bet I'm gonna be okay making that bet I really am I think we don't like I just don't like pylons bro I can't do it we're gonna talk about we were gonna talk about a bunch of other players but now we're almost that two hours we spend 45 minutes yelling about CJ Stroud and then that turned into yelling about Brock Purdy who I'll just I guess constantly just continue to have over everybody else because they hate fantasy production. I have to read by next week, by next podcast we do next week, I'll have a whole revamp. I'll have a revamp my rankings. We can talk about them for a little bit. I have to revamp the quarterback's so we can have a better conversation. Like I don't know, dude, I don't know what else we need Brock Purdy to do 30 touchdowns. He rushed for five touchdowns this year. He rushed for 3.23 and 5. Brock Purdy's not that sneaky athletic, you know. Why is it sneaky? Why is it

sneaky because he's Caucasian you have to say sneaky athletic because he's Caucasian it's not so sneaky though I'll tell you that I don't know man bunch of injuries he was hurt telling you this guy's still produced still produced try to Rick and Pierce all surprise producer as well towards the end of the year they said that they're not in the business of letting go of good football players so that so that means deba'll won't be back next to yeah but you know who will rock Brock's getting his extension, bro.

He is. I know, it's going to be ugly. And then he's just going to live in like the fourth and fifth round, third, third for a while. Then it'll be back down in the fifth. And I'm just, I'll constantly fade. I will always fade the, this is broken down to like a strategy standpoint. I will always fade the pylon profiles that high. I'll always do it.

They need to risk. You're not pay him. I don't know. They need to not pay him 50. People are here talking about paying Sam Darnold 50. You're not going to pay Brock. I'll pay Brock over Sam. They had Sam Donald.

They did. They let him go. But that's what I mean. Like, you're going to say, like, we need to pay Sam Donald. He's the answer, but we're not going to pay Brock. It's just like, it's kind of crazy to me. But I'm team don't pay, you know, most quarterbacks. So there you go.

I wish I had a quarterback. No, I know. Don't worry. You're going to get Shudur. I'll take it. I bet you would. I wouldn't. Did you hear the... This podcast is going to be two hours.

We probably lost everybody already, but if you're still here, did you hear that there are scouts that don't have a first round grade on Sanders? Yeah, we always say. You heard that about CJ's shot. But that's, well, I mean, judging by this year.

Yeah, that was... That's kind of crazy to see, but he's definitely going to first two picks. It's not. I mean, it's really not, like, that's shocking to me. Like, I do know, like, how Daniel Jeremiah and stuff kind of view at him. But I'll take him. I mean, if he's there at three, I'll take it.

Oh, yeah. You guys lost the first of the role. Yeah, we did. That's funny? That's funny. It is funny, yeah. That's funny. It's funny, yeah.

I can't imagine my team ever being in that position because the Ravens have never drafted number one. Because of fucking, because of Jacob's shitty-ass team. Shitty-ass calls can't fucking win. and like how do they get boat race by the Giants who get 50 points to a team that scores like the Yankees. The Giants barely outscore baseball teams most weeks. How do they put up 45? Yeah, I don't want to talk about.

A better man that's dear buck. You're becoming a better man that's not as angry. Yeah, I was. That's so funny. You had to bring that up. You had to bring that side of me out again. I did. It's the Giants.

I have to. It's so funny. I can't imagine. The Rames have never picked number one. I don't know what it's like. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't actually, well, yeah, I mean, Giant's never even picked.

I don't think, I don't think we picked top five. One time we picked second, you know who we picked? Who's that? A running back. How would that work for you? It didn't. Actually. It didn't.

That's funny. That's going to do it. That's the show for today. We had a couple other players on there, but we went on too many tangents and asides. A little bit longer of an episode. but, you know, we felt like we didn't really give you guys an episode Wednesday morning on the Dynasty Point show because Ryan and I were ill. Buck fought through the flu last week. I'm fighting through it now.

So hopefully I don't sound awful, by the way. But shout out to you guys for listening. It's going to be a fun off season. I look forward to next week. If you guys, you got to let us know what content you want. Because we can just keep doing player values and their seasons all day. I have no problem doing that. We're going to talk draft strategy, startups, lots of stuff.

Exactly. You guys let us know what content you want, and we'll be sure to include it. With all that being said, for myself, for Buck, thank you for tuning in with us. We love that you guys keep tuning in with us. Remember that clear eyes and full heart can never lose, and your best days are always spent tilting. Enjoy playoff football this week, but not the Giants.