Fantasy Football Daily - Dynasty WR Rankings + Elite Tiers | Dynasty Fantasy Football 2024 (Updated)

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

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I'm Thomas Tipple. That's Jacob Sanderson. We are one half of the host of Dynasty Points, and today we dial it back for something that we have not done in a long, long time. The four of us are going to come to an agreement or die trying, trying to fit as many wide receivers as we can into individual sets of tears. Arguments are a plenty. Should Jaden Reed be ahead of Drake London? Should Michael Pittman be banished to the shadow remorse? Who hates their wide receiver? The SARS for their own football team more, Tom or Jacob, and how many different receivers are we going to fight the people in the chat about comparing to Chris Godwin? Find out soon on Dynasty Points. What is going on?

We apologize for the later start. We had a couple of things go awry. Jacob had to leave his hashtag Real Job a little later. I had some setup and technical issue. But we're here. We're locked in for Dynasty Points here at FantasyPoint.com. I want to quickly shout out everyone subscribing. We hit 12,000 subscribers on the YouTube page today.

So we'd love and thank all of you for that. And on the podcast side, we once again were top two in downloads at the Fantasy Points Now Network. And you guys showed up in Big Force on the, Dynasty Points podcast feed where we drop extra Dynasty podcast content and got those reviews in our downloads on that feed are up as well. Those links will be in the description for this. If you checked it out on YouTube and want the full podcast and you can't sit on YouTube for the full what's probably an hour and a half long on our average, we shout out and we love you.

You can go and do that. We thank you for doing that. With that being said, we have some insane stuff today. I want to talk about the startup that I'm in right now for a brief moment. Yes, I'm a psychotic human being. We're already doing startups into this season. And I tell you, this board is hectic and chaotic.

We're going to get some first reactions from this last weekend like we always do. We are going to collectively, and this is going to be the challenging part today, we are collectively going to build one set of tiers for the top 36 wide receivers. Now, I don't know how this is going to go, how many fights Jacobs has already threatened to have his computer magically lose power. 36 receivers?

36 receivers. This podcast is going to take seven hours long. No, no, no. See, here's the thing. The first 15 are easy. We're going to have to set a clock on each tier that someone's going to have to keep track of and just buzz us to come to a consensus and force us to move on. I agree.

I think the first 10 are easy. All right. I actually think the first 24 is probably really easy for us. Well, deciding who is included, sure, but where tears they're in? I don't know. Yeah, I think this is going to be, I think this is going to be easier than you think. Okay, we're going to use Jacobs' base first method to determine tiers basically. Oh, look at that.

I use the same method. We just kind of disagree on how many, what player is worth. But just so you get an idea, or we could just do elite, sub-elite, whatever you want, cornerstone, however we want to deal with it. We'll decide that in the private chat as we go. but of course I'm your host of those Thomas hands I am Thomas still but you can find me at Elinister Thomas you got Jacob Sanderson at Jacob Sanderson Lucas Gilbert

aka AJ Hawk at L. Gilbert F F and then Ryan Heath Mr. Full Time at Ryan J. underscore Heath joining the full time ranks I was joking and you can let us know if you want him to or not as it because technically Ryan Heath outranks me now what to decide if he's the new host

So with Ryan's promotion, should Ryan be hashtag new host? We'll find out. We'll leave that comment. Leave that comment in the chat. Leave it down in the description after the show. And let us know if Ryan should be the hashtag new host. But congratulations to Ryan on that. That is so massive.

It's huge. As for myself, I got to say, no better way to spend your 36th birthday than with three of your closest friends talking, Dynasty fantasy football with them and with all of you So I'm excited for this show I'm ready to dive in This has been an insane week Toronto Dave's in the chat

Bindles in the chat Down with Fun That's a bit of a downer one there Come on change that name We're up with fun if you know what I mean Let's get first reactions from this last weekend Because I found there's some very interesting things here I'll go last because I'm going to bring it back

To that startup I was talking about I want to start with Ryan Oh man, a first reaction You know, it's funny Like you can You can just sit at your desk all day Right in like 10,000 words about the weekend And all the things that happened

And just nothing immediately like comes to mind I don't know man I guess You really went to me and I had nothing Thomas Like you know that you know the arrangement I don't usually get it first though I usually have like a few like minutes to collect my thoughts when Jacob is rancor about something.

I have a first reaction. I don't think it's going to help Ryan at all, but I have a first reaction. The chat spoiled my planned first reaction already, but here's mine. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Tipple. Happy birthday to you. and many more.

There we go. Yeah, this group is the best. I love this show. This is the first year we've actually done it on like the exact day of any of our birthdays. So this is this is absolutely tight. I appreciate that. I really do.

Lucas. My take is are the Broncos actually good? Like are they giving me hope for no good reason? Yes. And you know, I'm buying in though. Just a little bit because I have no choice but to buy in. Because what other point is there to living if you can't, you know, have hope that your team's not going to be the absolute worst? And whatever, all they have done for essentially the past decade is make mistake after mistake after mistake.

You got to believe in something. So I'm going to be living a little delirious here and thinking that the Broncos might actually. not be terrible. That's incorrect. I have a real, I have a real reaction, and I'm going to loop Ryan in, because I bet that he agrees with me based on a little Twitter interaction we had last night. I don't know if anyone's walked outside recently. No.

Leaves, they're fallen, right, a little bit. In a crooked little town, things are lost and never found. That's a song Ryan might know, because that's from the 2000s. I find myself when I leave my office with a certain craving and I want pumpkin spice lattes, right? I have a rule in Dynasty. It's called the pumpkin spice latte rule, which is you're not allowed to panic about a rookie until you start craving pumpkin spice lattes. I'm craving about pumpkin spice.

I'm craving pumpkin spice lattes and I'm panicking about rookies. This is now the time of year where we get, I think, a short window to, you know, week one, week two, I always talk about buying high, this is now the window where I think it's time to actually think about selling low on certain rookies. I think if there's a rookie that is starting to scare you, it used to be back in the day, we could wait all the way until the off season and rookies had a very safe value insulation. That's not really the case now. We valued them a lot higher going into the season and we punish them a lot more after poor seasons. So now is that small window of time where if there are believers,

they're going to be holding pretty much of their preseason value on most of the prospects that they liked. You might be able to get out at 80, 90 cents on the dollar for certain guys you're afraid of. I'll say two at the top of my list, Xavier Worthy, who I posted last

on Twitter, that I would trade for Rashid Shaheed and Dynasty right now. And that got a lot of negative comments, which is good, because that's the rare time that you know that it's a trade that can probably actually get done. I know, not in your league. I know, not in your league.

But in some leagues. And another guy that I'm panicking on is Trey Benson. Yes. Maybe a little less so here because at some point, James Connor is going to get hurt because he's James Connor and he always gets hurt. And then you have the opportunity in looking good. The reason why I'm panicking is that he's played a little bit this year. He's looked really bad on film.

He looked really bad in the stats. I'm not super sure that it would go that well. if he got his audition. And at that point, you're, you're dead. Like if he gets the audition and then he falls flat on his face. And it looks like they can't just go to him for the following year. At that point, things are really bad. So that would be the other guy.

I'd be potentially looking to cash out right now. Worthy, just for reasons that are clear. I mean, worthy got, couldn't ask for a better runout. It's kind of, it's not as bad as Quentin Johnson because he's actually made some plays. But it's Quentin Johnson-esque in that all of the situation, excuses for bad production are gone. Rashi Rice, hurt. Travis Kelsey, at least before Rashi Rice got hurt, he looked kind of washed.

Now he's been resurrected. Isaiah Pacheco hurt. Like Hollywood Brown, done for the whole year. Like everything you would want, if Worthy was the guy, to step up and show he was the guy, has kind of happened, and he's getting off of by Juju Smith. Schuster. So that's concerning to me. Yeah.

It's like someone on this podcast in the pre-draft. process said that he'll get used like McCull Hardman and he's getting used like McColl Hardman pretty pretty clear tell in my opinion let me tell you what his value is right now Jacob because in the startup that I am doing right now he went at the 511 yeah and uh yeah you sell at the 511 you know who went one pick before him player that I took T Higgins like we're still getting insane value if that's the belief in Xavier Worthy. And I agree with you.

I am selling. Brian, have you found your, have you found your thought? I have found a thought. First, I will just remind, remind the listeners of the Xavier Worthy Lab McConkey debate that we had shortly before the season, Thomas. Don't want you to only pretend that you were on the correct side of history with Xavier you're worthy but regardless what does lad macawkey down aside from one game i asked brian he's like car 12 i had ready to learn yard run buddy yes i like fantasy points though he had one game

if want to talk about total points leave you're worthy at his blow up game too but go ahead i had brian thomas junior had a ladd anyway see lad has an excuse for the bad of production which is that it's the run heaviest and slowest-paced offense like this side of world war two but worthy doesn't have that as jacob was just saying but my thought and i'm actually going to i'm going to bring another uh thomas tipple favorite back guys is michael wilson a thing is this real he's pretty much pace for pace with marvin harrison junior over the past few games one fewer target 35 more yards over the last three weeks i i don't know guys what are we not i'm not saying we're panicking on Marvin Harrison or anything ridiculous like that.

But is Michael Wilson a thing? Because I was also incredible to see all this before. What are you paying for Michael Wilson? Like if you get 12 points out of Michael Wilson a game, I won in. Is he a thing? Like to me, he's the thing in the sense that it's like, oh, if you, if you happen to have him on your bench, he's another guy that you can start on biweeks and stuff that doesn't make you want to kill yourself.

So that's nice. It's like nice to find those guys. but in terms of paying to acquire him, like, he's a throwing. What would you be paying to acquire? Like, you're not,

you're not getting him for a fourth. I'd obviously pay a fourth. I don't think you're getting him for a third, and I'm not even sure I'd pay an early third. You probably have to pay it to ensure you get him, and I'm not paying it too. His price was a throw-in in the off-season, and I was in.

I'm not buying him. His production doesn't match what you have to cost, or the cost to acquire. So I'm out. I think he's, real in the sense that like Greg Dorch wasn't probably ever going to be a thing and he was just like a Twitter favorite

that was assumed Wilson is like Brett Whitefield credit was that he was a big body outside guy that could play well for Kyler and I believe that more than Greg Dorch so I believe it in that regard I'll draft him in startups as like a late flyer wide receiver still but he's got a way

to go for me to like buy in buy in this offense has also just been awful the pass offense is terrible. It's been terrible. Marvin Harrison has been not great. 49ers. Come on. Give him a break. Yeah, that I wouldn't say the past game in that game was like

electric. He's so the offensive coordinator in Arizona is like the second worst past game coordinator in the league outside of Greg Roman. Like he's terrible. It's been terrible. It's been noticeably terrible. But yeah, not great.

I'll say for what I've noticed in And like from this last weekend, go and do startups. Go in. Just start right now. Because if you're patient and you don't play for week nine, the value that you're going to get is insane. We got Michael Pittman Jr.,

who I know is like a dynasty sell. He's terrible. We got him at wide receiver 36 in the eighth or ninth round. That is insane. Like go, go do startups. Be a degenerate. find yourself 12 league mates and go and do startups.

They are so much fun. You can get a head on value if you're patient. There are a lot of fun. That's what I noticed. Go play in your leagues right now and go do startups. Value is crazy. Insane.

It's not Derek Henry going in the fifth round. This is like this is, it's nutty out there. And shout out to everyone listening that's in that league right now. Love you. But that draft board is insane and I cannot wait to do an entire show on it.

coming up in a few weeks. It's been crazy. We're going to go. When we come back, we're going to, and I mean, we're going to try. I don't know how well it's going to go. We're going to try to come up with one collective ranking show. And I think I know how I wanted to do tiebreakers. So sit tight.

We'll come back from this break. And we're going to break down how we're going to do this. Ooh, it's been a long time since we've. We've tried to do one of these. It's been a while. I think it's been a couple of years since we've decided to do one of these. Let's, uh,

okay, this is I want to do tie breakers. Because there's four of us and there is a possibility of a tie, if the chat does not respond quick enough, I push the buttons and it's my birthday, I get the tiebreaker. Okay. If,

aside from that, we will do majority of, rules. All right. It'll be three versus four and the fourth one just has to pout. Okay? We'll all pick a player.

How fast is the chat after express their tie-breaking vote? While we're arguing, while we are arguing, we will look at the chat and as soon as they decide to break the tie, we'll go with the chat to break the tie. All right?

That's how I think it should go. I think that is in fairness, we might have a... It's also great because I do ranked updates on Wednesday or Thursday night usually, and this is nice to just take care of wide receivers ahead of time. So, appreciate offloading my work onto you guys. Lucas, I'm trying to find the one that you sent, that you said you did in the chat here.

It's the clickable link. There we go. Oh, wait. Okay. Get rid of all the names. Yeah, we have to get rid of all the names. rid of the names here. The one that I'm on is, is, uh, doesn't have any people on it. The one, the one that I

collect, I think the link that he put in the chat. All right. All right. We're going to get, we're going to make him AJ Hawk, um, right now. I don't know what you want for me. We're derailing it. Sorry, I was just putting up some general two ears and we can work from there. Okay. Here, this, uh, if you, if you put the one that I just screen shared,

uh, that's just blank. Okay. There we go. We got our shit to together. I swear. So, Jacob, you're on the downside for this, Tom, is that now, now I'm on the buttons. So that's okay.

You can be on the buttons. The chat might get some extra time to get their votes in. You can, you can get the buttons. I swear we are a professional podcast, uh, and we get this shit together.

Look, tonight show, I'll admit, is less about like keeping it to the ones and twos and us having a great time because this season has been a nightmare. And it's time for us. To have some fun. Also, B-Dub says Michael Thomas,

wide receiver 1. Just enjoy 2018. Like, enjoy that year in your mind. And forget about the fact that you're going to have like Spencer Rattler starting for you for the next three weeks. Ignore that, Barry, and you're going to lead a happier life. I don't have enough time for Michael Thomas talk here. We have sent to 36 wide receivers.

I'll also quickly note that this tier maker is, I just highly doubt that this is all of the names we need to discuss. We got Dantabian Wix on there. That's all we need. So we'll add as many from the images as we can. And then I'm going to have my rankings up to cross-reference in case we miss some obvious names. Right. So first tier, how about this? I'm going to nominate names for consideration. and if we can nominate any of them to ask tier by acclamation,

we can do so quickly. And if there's any that you think require further discussion, anyone who objects, raise your hand. So we're doing Dynasty Cornerstones, elite, young fun buys, and like dusty vets.

I'm going to guess if we're going to do like S, A, B, C, and D. That's how we're going to kind of, I just have this by my tier. So the names that I'll nominate to go in R.S tier. And if anyone objects to any of their inclusion, then we can have a longer discussion. For me personally, four names, Justin Jefferson, C.D. Lamb, Malik Neighbors, Jamar Chase. No objections. Look, I don't mind that style.

I like a good individual nomination. But, yeah, no complaints. What do we say? Jeff Jefferson, Chase. Yeah, and I'm not putting them in any particular order. We're just hearing them. I have Jefferson, Chase. Where's Chase?

Chase, are you with us, Jamar Chase? It's alphabetical. He's there. It goes by first there. Right next to Jahan Dotson. That's so disgusting. That's so disgusting. Let's get them all the way up there.

And then Malik neighbors alphabetical, you said, hey, there we go. All right. So. That's a good first. Does anyone have any names to suggest for inclusion in the first here that I didn't say? Like, I think not including Amin Ra is borderline criminal. Yeah, I think. Well, let's have the Amin Rae discussion.

I know you don't like Ammon Ra because he's a hashtag Inbreaker. And he's not like he's not your vibe. But all this dude does is score points at a rate that is disgusting. He has a massive fat contract in a good offense. Like aside from week one, he's just got over 20 points. points a game. He doesn't, he hasn't been doing it just on like 15 targets. He's a damn near borderline first round startup pick every, every draft. I think he's got to be in the S tier. Like I have no problems clicking him at like 112 if I'm avoiding quarterback. If you clicked him

at 112, not Anthony Richardson this year, you're much happier human being. I think we're, we overlook Amman Ra. I think he's S tier, same tier. I think the best argument against Ammon Ra is what happens if Ben Johnson gets a head coaching job. That's like my biggest kind of concern with him. You would have to be Shane Waldron to mess up your elite wide receiver

that can run every route. I don't know that he can run every route. He's just a good wide receiver like he's a damn He's a great wide receiver. And for a PPR, like remember this is PPR. I mean, we're talking like this is a dude that's going to put up

18 to 20 points. He does stuff that even AJ Brown hadn't done yet. And AJ Brown was in that S tier of wide receivers. Not on AJ Brown. Not anymore. 27, 28. He's got a terrible quarterback apparently. Like Jared Goff is attached to him.

We know Jared Goff is just going to hyperfine. I'm in Ross St. Brown. He belongs in the S tier. All right. I'm voting. No, but I think it's totally reasonable. What's, so we got one vote for,

one against. Where do you guys vote on this? I'm going to say yes. I think he's below two for two chat do you think yeah no I vote yes too you can oh there we go all right I'm just just playing devil's advocate I agree that without Ben Johnson things look like sad and miserable but again I think you have to be like really bad at football to not be able to use almond Ross St. Brown like again Shane Waldron level bad to be able to miss I mean he's going to be good no matter what. Like, I'm not saying he's ever going to be bad. I don't think it

requires me to be like, ah, he sucks to be like, I think he should be the wide receiver five in dynasty slightly behind these four dudes. So we're exaggerating the difference. I just view him from a full, complete wide receiver profile perspective as like materially different enough that like I would have no issues adding a two to Amman Ra to get any of the other four, which is like why to me He's not quite in that tier. But that's fine. He produces like these guys produced. So I'm not fighting it too hard.

Are we here to have the discussion on Nico Collins if he should be in this tier yet? Might as well because he's certainly going in this tier the next year. So that's let's take it. I don't. I don't. I like to see him play a full season. Like he's just got perennial hamstring issues. And I know that's like a cheek.

thing to worry about, but to me, not in the S tier. He's an A tier. To me, he's like, I think he's my dynasty wide receiver six. I think he's number six right now. Last time I checked. So he's an A tier player for me. I'm in the A tier as well. I'm at five.

I'm ahead of St. Brown. But I have those two, I think, in, yeah, I have only four wide receivers in the next year for me personally. obviously our tiers as a group might be different. Is it just like the surety of it all? The reason I have Nico a little bit lower than the others is, yeah, it's just like, again, it's my rule of thumb what I think about it is like, would I add a second to this player to get one of the other players?

Yeah. And it's like, yes, I would add a second to Nico Collins to get Justin Jones, to see, James, Jamar, Chase, Malik neighbors. And part of that is like track record. And then most of that is just kind of age. Like Nico is 25 now. He's going to be 26 next. season. Like to me, he's not, he's going to be in the AJ Brown zone very quickly where it's like,

oh, I like, like how we think of AJ Brown now, where it's like, yeah, he's probably just as talented as these guys. And, but, like, you know, his value can only go one way. He only has a couple years where his value just preserves. That's why he's just a slight kickdown. But I agree. I just want to point out, like, a skull blues is saying he's just a better, faster Chris Godwin. He's not in the same. In terms of fantasy production, I hate to tell you, he's been better than Jamar Chase. So, like, he belongs there. We're talking

fantasy. 40 spot last week. We're talking fantasy production, not him as a wide receiver. I don't care about real life football here. I want fantasy. Go try to trade for Amundrae St. Brown. I guarantee you're getting smacked away if you're not

paying elite tier prices. All this guy does is produce fantasy points. He's 24 years old. he was the wide receiver three last year total 1500 yards like 10 touchdowns he has 100 catches in back to back years 90 in his rookie season

this guy is everything you could possibly want in a wide receiver so he's got to be there if you're talking fantasy production not putting him there based on fantasy production is short-sighted in my opinion just my 31 names more let's talk about let's talk about

we still talk about it hey hey we address the chat here on this program Skull Blues, you have your argument. Young Godwin never put up those numbers. Your argument holds purchased with me. That's for sure. Wasn't Godwin the wide receiver three one year?

Godwin was the wide receiver two. But not on a career. And then we put them in the top of all of the dynasty wide receivers and then his role died. Yeah. So I mean, I think you're being a little bit hyperbolic school blues, but I mostly agree with you. But I was out about it. So that's fine. Collins, does anyone want to make the ask to your case or are we putting columns in the 8th year?

I'm putting them in the 8th year. I'm putting them in the A tier. Yeah, I can't really, like, argue whenever you're talking about, if your distinction between S and A is, will you put a second on top of this point? That's my distinction. That's not to be your distinction. But I do think it's like, it's a pretty good system.

Like, if you have the ability to move off of somebody and you're giving up something of value, I can't argue against that too much because I would do the same thing. So I do think it goes right in A. I think if Collins plays like this for like another month, then he's S. I think that's about what I am. Well, you're going to have,

I was going to say, we're going to have to wait at least two weeks to three weeks to figure that out. Yeah, week to week means a month. All right. So, but I assume no one's going to make the argument you should go in B. We're putting them comfortably in a. No,

we're going to put them comfortably in A. Comfortably. All right. So all, again, I'll just say, and then we can propose other names. So the other two names that I have in my, I don't call it A tier in my ranks, but what would be the A tier?

Our Alman Ragh, we already put an S. Nico, we just put an A. The other two for me are Marvin Harrison Jr. and A.J. Brown. Well, why don't we do the same process before? First, if anyone objects to those two, we can have that discussion. And then if anyone proposes other names, we can have that discussion. So before the off or before the season, was Marvin Harrison Jr. in the S tier? No, not for me.

I had Malik and Marvin in the same tier which would have been this tier and then I moved Malik up I haven't moved Marvin. I will also say that I'm going to have a new addition to this tier in the next rankings update that we'll talk about after we talk about Marvin and AJ.

I just wanted to make sure he hasn't gone down for folks in terms of like overall tiers like yes he's not doing what Malik neighbors is doing but he's still having you know a solid rookie season, not fourth overall pick, but I don't think you're like looking at this and thinking that he might be a bust. So anyone against AJ or Marvin? No objections. I do, I have two names though that I would at that I would throw in. Let's lock in those two first. I've been talking too much. So I won't share mine yet. I'm guessing it's one of Ryan's anyways. Ryan, who are your two

names for consideration? So I would I would nominate Garrett Wilson and Drake London. Okay. Neither of those are my name. Okay. How about this? Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, probably going to be big one by one.

I was going to see Brian Thomas. Okay. Lucas, you got anyone? I'm, I'm, I'm just a little bit surprised hearing Brian Thomas, and I'm not as surprised with Drake London at this tier. And I also know that this tier's probably going to be bigger than I would necessarily have it as like the second tier in this, just with us doing these five tiers. Brian Thomas up there

kind of surprised me I don't think it should but it does surprise me a little bit Do you have anyone else Because we'll go through Maybe Pooka Nakua I think that he should probably still be there Tom do you have anyone else to chuck in

Beyond Puka, Garrett, London, and Tomas No I don't think so All right so let's go through those I heard Ryan said Garrett Wilson first So Ryan You know what That's one I'll say no to I'm going to say no to Garrett Wilson.

I think he's, I think he's a tier under these guys. I think I'd rather know as well. But Ryan proposed. I want, I want to make the case for his boy. I mean, I just,

I hate when it's like Garrett Wilson is my boy, but you might be able to convince me. I mean, I'm the easiest person to convince that a pro. Yeah. No, my vote is, yeah.

I'm really, I'm really just trying to flip Jacob here. So just everything we thought, Garrett Wilson was in this tier for you before the season. I know he was in this tier for Tom. before the season as well. Look, this is a, we've seen him play five games.

In one of them, he got 22 targets and put up a 25 burger, right? I understand that the production hasn't been there in the first month of the season, had a couple difficult matchups. I agree that the kind of organizational dysfunction going on with the Jets is a little bit concerning right now. but honestly we're getting i think worst case said this completely implodes we're we're getting to the point where garrant wilson just demands a trade or something right like i think that's in the cards if this continues to go fully downhill for like the rest of the year and there and nobody who's not nathaniel hackett can come in and clean up the mess like i i think we're yeah i think that's

what we're getting i we're getting like the brandon i you drama except with a player multiple years younger, that everybody is kind of even more universally in agreement just on the player talent. I think that's like how this bottoms out. And then there, even then there's obviously there's an out there, right? Or it just turns around and he continues to get 22 targets a game like that. I wouldn't mind that either.

But he's 22 targets a game as a scat back. Like that's like that's crazy. So my case again, the Brian, or sorry, against Garrett Wilson here, which breaks my heart because like he's probably one of my favorite players in the NFL. It's just like, I'm still going to have them above the market. I'm certainly going to want to include him in the next tier. I do think though, like, on one end, I can watch the games and be like, hey, some of these targets are uncatchable. It's not all his fault, et cetera. But like, I do think there is a certain shit or get off the pot element

at the very, very top of the dynasty rankings where like for this tier, I either want players that are so good that no excuses are required, right? Like Justin Jefferson, and I know that's the tier above, but like Justin Jefferson is just out there fucking balling with Sam Donald, right?

He's like, give me Nick Mullins a quarterback, give me Josh. That's league winner. League winner. I'm just like, I'm, right? He doesn't need a good thing. Jefferson is the system. He's the quarterback play. Like, he's the environment. He's the one who knocks. Malik neighbors, like, it's like, yeah, I'm stuck here. Oh, I'm the only option on the

offense. The entire defense is trying to cover me. I've Daniel Jones. That's fine. I'll go, I'll go figure it out. So, like, I'm not blaming Garrett Wilson for not being immortal to that level. Like, I don't think it's a, but like, clearly what has been proven through three years is, like, either he's not quite as good as I think that he is, which obviously I don't think, since that would contradict the entire premise of the sentence, or he's at the very least situationally dependent to a degree that I don't really want out of wide receivers in the S tier. And then when you look down to the A tier, it's like now in the A tier, I think all of these other names we're discussing probably are similar talents to where they're not, I think, the one who knocks. But

they have better situations. So to me, I look at that as the difference of like, instead of needing to be, you know, everything to align to get this elite elite production, it looks like it's already aligning when I see these other guys in a way that for Wilson, he clearly needs it to and it's not. And so, like, I still think he's going to be great this year. He's at 14.8 points per game right now is expected as like 18.3.

If I had to guess, he finishes the year somewhere in between that and like the 17, 16 to 17 range. But I still think it's a step below these other guys for me. And if the step below for me, I'd be fun if you get any other votes because I'm kind of like Gary Wilson Foamfinger guy here. So I got a, I just want to, sorry, I just want to say, he had like 45 expected fantasy points in that game this past week. That's the most of any player in the fantasy points data era.

But can I actually get those fantasy points one time? Yeah, that's, yeah. Can I just ask that I have a player in this tier that like he either has a situation? or the talent to be efficient? There's two things with this, right? I've been saying that Garrett Wilson is eerily close to being put in that nesting doll territory

with Chris Alave where I have him right now. If Chris Alave got 22 targets this last weekend, like we'd be talking about them in the same way, I don't think so. In my A tier, I don't need, I don't want to need my player to need to trade out. Like, I know that's becoming like the new thing, like it's basketball where someone gets unhappy.

We can just hope to God they get traded I've heard the same thing about Herbert, not going to want to be in LA anymore, and he'll get traded, and his value is going to climb. Like, I don't want my A-tier players that I'm drafting to need to request a trade out of where they are.

I want them to command and be elite where they are. Garrett Wilson's leaving a lot to be desired. And, like, we know when Nico Collins steps on the field, when A.J. Brown steps on the field, they're just going to get it. I love Garrett Wilson. I love his talent. This is one of those situations where maybe his situation

is nullifying the talent a little bit. I'm not drafting him in that A tier with Nico, A.J. Brown, and Marvin. In the startup that I'm doing right now, we happily were ready to pass on him to take other players. So he's going to be out for me. He's in the B tier. We got a hustle up here. Lucas, are you voting for? I'm voting for Garrett Wilson.

Like, I think that this is a little nuts that he's not in the AT. Okay, chat. Chat, we need a tiebreaker in or out. Garrett Wilson. I didn't think Lucas was going to be the one I convinced there. Yeah. Well, we got until Jacob put the other players into the eight here. Everybody up.

No, I got some more that going down. First thing from chat was no. Oh, gosh. For 30 seconds if you want to give the chat. We add it. Here is my 30-second filibuster. Garrett Wilson's worst case scenario is DJ Moore. And we are seeing this right now.

We are seeing them as absolute worst. He has nowhere to go but up. Give me Garrett Wilson. All right. So far, so far we've got, um, four nos.

We've got, would rather, would rather chew glass to roster him. I would rather chew glass than roster him. Oh, um, yeah, a statement,

uh, that I don't agree with. And then, uh, we got Toronto Day voted yes, 4-1. Sorry, Gary Wilson.

Um, I do feel legitimately bad that I could have saved you and put you in with my vote, but never say that I'm not the paragon of objectivity. I just had a chance to cape up for my favorite player in the league and I, I was going to point out. Wow. Al Paul says Jemar chases him. I agree.

Unfortunately, he needs a team because them Ravens sit number one on top of the AFC North, baby. What a game. I'm not even like, I don't even think that this Drake London. I think the straight London point is personally unsirious,

but Ryan, go for it. Yeah, I mean, he's a beating. I would probably was thinking of this tier as a bit larger than maybe you guys are, which is totally fine.

I think the Brian Thomas discussion. is maybe more interesting if we want to have that one. I don't know how you're going to justify it after putting Garrett Wilson the B tier. I'm very intrigued to see. You capitulated on Drake London. Where are you, Drake London?

I think it's kind of easy to have that conversation. Here's my case for Brian Thomas. I was the one that pushed him. Highest yards per route run for a rookie wide receiver in their first five games since 2000. Actually, this is weeks one through five because first five games would also include Odell. and I wish that he was included because it would make my point even better.

But Greg Jennings 3.28, Jemar Chase, 2.98, Brian Thomas Jr., 2.78, Justin Jefferson, 2.77, Pukina Kua, 2.74. And then Odell, if you go first five games instead of weeks one through five. Like, Greg Jennings, I guess is like, I mean, he was an awesome wide receiver, but like maybe if Greg Jennings is your worst case scenario, that's like still pretty good, but maybe not quite as good as the other names. Like, Odell, if we imagine a world where his legs never broke. And Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase is like, that's the dream. Like, that's the elite of the elite. So to me, it's like, this guy was a first round pick, comes out. The only thing that we know about him is that he's slightly worse than elite neighbors

because we saw them play on the same field. Everything short of that is totally within the cards. The Jags offense has been a mess this year. I don't know if you guys spend a lot of time watching the Jaguars. not fun other than this week against the Colts and he's been producing in spite of that to me this is a case of like you can't buy high enough

when a player starts at this level I would legitimately add to Garrett Wilson Drake London other names we're going to discuss to get Brian Thomas on my rosters I think he's deserving Pooka's start last year was unreal and we bought in and now he's in the A tier like to me that's just we're getting the same story with Brian Thomas in my opinion

I just don't think I don't think you can justify somebody who's sealing is T. Higgins putting him in the A tier. How is he looks at T. Thomas Jr. from already better than T.A. as a prospect and then what his role in the NFL is going to be and I don't know if I can take somebody who's solely a deep threat and put him in the ATIA. But he hasn't been solely a deep threat. Prior to week five, his A dot was lower than Christian Kirk's.

Yeah. Really? He's just that boy. So I agree with you six weeks ago. Yeah. I thought, I think once you see it, you have to change. I thought T. Higgins was his. I literally comped him to that.

Was his, not like ceiling, but like was his like projectable seal. D.K. Metcad. I don't think that that's the case anymore. Like now is, I don't think, I don't know. What's his, stillings, Jemar Chase, I guess. Do you remember in the preseason when I said, he remember? reminds me a T. Higgins. And like, now he's on the field and he's T. Higgins and a little bit more.

Like, he's not alpha-cucked by Jamar Chase. Like, this is, this is a real thing, in my opinion. And I have been a Trevor Lawrence hater since day one. And he's doing this with a quarterback that the community as a whole has been taking a dump on for weeks. Like, this is, he's unreal. He's doing everything. He's unreal. You can go back and forth with the Trevor stuff.

Like, you know, obviously, opinions vary on him, but like what we can at least agree on with Trevor is, A, he's going to be there for a while. He's not going anywhere anytime soon. And whether you like him or not as his own fantasy asset, you should generally be happy if your wide receiver has Trevor Lawrence as their fantasy quarterback because he's going to have, like the Jags defense is not going to be good ever. It's never been good. He's going to have to pass a lot. He doesn't scramble all that much. Like, it's, you'd rather have, sure, you'd rather have Joe Burrow, but like beyond the true. elite pocket pastors, Trevor Lawrence is like not that far down your list of in terms of

you're going to have quarterback stability. You're going to have a pocket pastor. He's going to throw it a lot and he's not going to be abjectly awful. Like that's, that's really all you want from your fantasy quarterback. And Brian Thomas gets to be his number one receiver for probably his whole career. I'm, I'm a strong yes, but I obviously, Lucas is a no. Where do you guys land on this? Oh, he's in.

Yeah. So I'm, I'm just going to read off leaders in rookie wide receiver fantasy points per game. with this year's rookies put in through their first five games? What week are we even in? Roughly five games. So since 2010, number one, Odell Beckham. Number two, Malik Neighbors. Number three, Jamar Chase.

Number four, Pooka Nakua, who also should be in this tier. Five is Jefferson, six Michael Thomas, seven Mike Evans. Eight is Brian Thomas, guys, 16.2 fantasy points. Julio Jones, Brandon Ayuk, Jalen, Tank Dell, Keenan, Allen, AJ Green. you have to go a long way down before you get to someone who's bad. I think it's like Kelvin Benjamin in like 14 points a game or something. But all right. So that's like, yeah, we got pretty good range outcomes here.

That's three votes for Thomas. Lucas says. And the chat is in as well. The chat is in as well. So we already got two people, Tom and Ryan have both said that Pooka should be in. Yeah. I add a moot only because he's hurt. But are you in on the Puka inclusion, Lucas?

Yes. absolutely. All right. Puga's in. He's going to come back and just win leagues. I'm seeing people sell him for points now, and I'm just screaming every time that I don't get someone in my DMs asking, even as a contender, they could have points off my roster for Puka.

Like, give me that deal. I'm since his injury, and I'm a noted Puka skeptic for the same reasons. I'm in Raw skeptic. I just don't like that archetype of receiver. So if I've bought, If I bought Puka three times, like, Pat's, he's a pretty good price right now because I'm, I'm not been very inclined to buy Puka when, since he's been valued at this level when he's healthy. But yeah, you can get him like, what was it?

I'll give you guys a deal. I'll give the two deals that I got both on teams that I'm trying to tear down. But both times I use Jemar Chase, actually. And one was Chase for Puka, or it was Chase in Pitts for Puka a first and two seconds. and the other one was Chase and Pits for Puka, Tank, Dell, and Tucker Kraft who is my dynasty titan four.

Anyway, that's for your consideration in the audience. Anyone else or are we to the next tier here? We already have Garrett and Drake into the B tier. Any other folks? For the... Are we on to the Bs? I think we're on the B tier. I think we're on to B tier.

All right, let's start checking out names for the Okay, Devontas Smith belongs in the B tier. I think I just have way more tears than you guys. Now I'm going with the tiers that are on the screen right now, Jacob.

All right. I'm going with the tears on the screen. Yeah, you've got to fit 30, 32 guys in here or whatever. Yeah. That's kind of why I was immediately like Garrett Wilson,

Drake London. Okay, yeah, no, I agree. I'd add to either of those guys to get. Oh, we were adding those.

What if I did this? Now, How do we want the Smith this tier? I just saying, don't let row, don't let the number of rows guide your decision making. We have many or a few rows. You're sly.

That's all. Okay, let's take some names here. Roshy Rice is one that I would nom into this chair. I guess Smith too, is it with the injury. Smith deserves to be there, bro. He really does. He's really good. He's really good.

and he's consistently drafted in that fourth round, fifth round. All right. Is there anyone, anyone objecting to Smith? We need to start filling this chart. Okay. I think put him up and then if we start adding other receivers that we feel like Smith doesn't belong, we can do. Okay.

Yeah. I'll suggest another one that I feel very passionately about when we get back to Rice. I think Jaden Reed deserves to be in this too. Interesting. I can see that. Interesting. Jason Reed. Yeah, Jane Reed, this is, I mean, he's, again.

You're not. He doesn't have Knott's NFL. I can't put him in that. He's in a half. See, I would rather have him. I haven't actually ranked behind Wilson, but I haven't ranked ahead of London and Smith. I, uh, he's been, he's in a half offense, probably V have offense. I'm not sure there's any offense I want people attached to more than the Green Bay Packers.

He has absolute elite ability at the cash point. He kills it in the Matt Arman separation stuff as a route runner. and he's an elite yak player. To me, he's a full package player, 24 years old, tied to Jordan Love for forever, number one target owner in that offense. I'm extremely bullish on Jaden Reed. I mean, obviously I can get outvoted,

but I think he's a clear member of this tier. I don't think you go in the B tier if you're getting out targeted by Don Tavian Wicks, though, and not even to let's start with Don Tavian Wix. I wouldn't get out targeted by Don Tavian Wicks. He has the last two weeks. I'm saying who wouldn't? Oh, who wouldn't?

Oh, I thought you said that he wouldn't. Oh, whoa, whoa. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, I'm just saying. I'm with you. Like, I think the, I think there's a couple of these guys every year where I think the, like, the regression bros take it a little bit too far.

I'm not on like team he's going to regress with Jane and Reed or anything like that. I hate, there's no one I hate more than the regression than the positive regression bros. Yeah. I like players you're efficient. Exactly. Yeah. And I, and I, yeah, I believe it with Reed. I believe that he can perform above expectation.

But yeah, I just don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it in this tier. All right. Well, that's good because I've been trying to trade for Jaden Reed all last week. And I was not having a lot of success. But I'm going to, here, I'll put, I'll whip my dick out and mention the trade that's going to get universally panned. I always talk about how I don't think people should play to win every trade. they should try to actually improve their lineup.

Here's a trade that I made. And also I talk about how people are too obsessed with market value. Here's the worst value trade I'll make all year that I stand by 100%. I'm in a league very standard quarterback settings. It's like four points, basically the minimum that you can have for quarterback scoring. It's also very stratified. There's like six good teams or six hopeless teams. So nobody really wants to buy quarterbacks.

That's bad, obviously. They don't have the value to buy elite ones. And the elite teams already have their quarterbacks. I've been sitting on this scenario of Josh Allen, Kyle Murray, and Joe Burrow, in which one of Kyle Murray or Joe Burrow just uselessly sits on my bench every single week and I have a very loaded value team.

I traded Joe Burrow for Jaden Reed straight up and I feel completely content with it. You're out of your mind. And I love that to be on the podcast so that when we're putting Jaden Reed in the S tier at this time next year, you'll look back and say that I was ahead of the curve. I think you're out of your mind.

I think you're out of your mind. You need help. You need... Well, this is good, because I didn't realize how far ahead of the market I wasn't in Jaden Reed because everybody keeps rejecting my offers for Jaden Reed. But this has compelled me to keep trying to buy Jaden Reed.

I have like a million Drake London, so I'm going to see how many I can sell for Jaden Reed. But we'll put him in the B, since you guys are hated, or the C. I think he should go in the B. And the chat has overwhelmingly said, Reed. I don't know what overwhelmingly.

I don't know. I haven't seen a senior person say, John Jefferson. Yeah. Toronto Dave said read. I don't hate it. Sean said he says no. So we got one no and one yes.

And I don't know where Dave stands. Dave is kind of on the fence. I think based on the borough trade, I would say no. You're that. Put him in the S tier then. Like that's crazy. Well,

I have him, I have him ranked ahead of Pooka. I haven't ranked ahead of London. I haven't ranked ahead of Smith. Like I have him, I had him ranked ahead of Brian Thomas. until this. And you didn't think you were ahead of the market? Because I thought I was trying to be.

Oh my God. I couldn't trade for them. I can't get them at this value. That's one of those. That is one of those things where the market doesn't. For reading a first. And it was like, no. The market doesn't.

This is where the market conversation we really got of Toronto. Dave says, I think I'm going to say yes. He says, but he's scared. So we can move him up based on the vote. School of blue says he's not close. Yeah. So that's, so we're, we're, we're very tied. The chat so far is, is, yeah.

I think this is one of those situations. And we talk about this on the show a lot. Like we talk about it all the time where, um, oh, those mouths to feed. What are the mouths to feed? Um, I think, I think we say this all the time where when you say like, this is why I hate the go buy low on player X, because chances are you're never going to be able to do it.

Like people know when you're coming into buy, low in a dynasty season when a player is giving you that many points they're just not going to let go with them like it doesn't it doesn't matter and if they do let go with them you have to gouge yourself to get them case and point

Joe Boba which I again continues to oscillate the chat is not going to produce any sort of consensus this is literally half and half in the chat here um that's a tale Thomas Shoboba said that's more that's more

yeses for read to be in B. Put him in B. Just put him in. Shoboboba is in. Watson sucks. Christian Watson sucks. He sucks. Christian Watson. I got Christian Watson for two late thirds today. That's what the Christian Watson is. Yeah. He sucks. I know we're breaking Ryan's heart here.

I should have even said what I paid. I traded for Christian Watson today successfully. That's where the Christian Watson value is at. Yeah, exactly. I think he sucks. Let's discuss some more names. So rice meat we threw out there before we could get to him. Rice is in In the chat We've seen it with rice

Rice is in Yeah I'm okay with rice Yep He was I was gonna be so right on him The last time we talked about rankings When I said he was gonna end up being a second round startup pick I was on pace to be so right And then Patrick Mahomes fat ass

Had to dive into to his knee to pick up a fumble Brutal Dave BTJ is in tier A That's why you don't see him in B Yep He's all the way up up in eight baby um okay rice is in so other other names that we are i uke and waddle alave alave alave can sit in the seat here for me oh ala i'm i'm put a lot here no he's the water

receiver two on that team i'm i'm i'm over alave i'm over his smiling face sleeper icon uh i'm sick i'm conceding scott barrett was right on our show it's all it was always rshaid i'm done i'm over it It used to be ironic, but it's not ironic now. No. Oh, wow. We're doing a lobby in the sea. Look at his stupid face. It's two and two again.

Look at his smug face. That is the face of somebody that can't get me five points last night. Like, I'm over that dude. Every week we're making excuses for these, 145 target. She's taking away the number one every single week. Like, they do every other week when he underperforms. Like, it's just, there's always a reason. Shehid always performs.

And then Alave always. underperforms and we make excuses. It just give those 145 targets to Shaheed. Chat, I would just say, chat, let us know. What's changed my mind on it is that Shaheed is now getting more than just like the deep shots. He's actually running like horizontal routes in the short and intermediate area of the field. Like he he's running the Chris Olavay route tree and actually getting the targets. So yeah, sorry, sorry Olave.

So 52% of my Twitter followers prefer to now. draft. Love it and C for now. Chat, if you want to resuscitate him in the B, you can make a push for it. And then, okay, IYuk is the next thing we got to discuss. Yeah, I would discuss I'm like kind of, I'm kind of whatever on IU like, to me he's like, I have my tears a lot smaller. So he's like behind some of these guys, but then he's tied with some of these other guys. I could kind of see B or C. Does anyone have a strong opinion on Iuke? I think I'd add to I don't. to get like a Garrett Wilson pretty clearly.

I would too. He's really fallen that far, huh? Hmm. Well, I haven't really fallen for me. It's just that like that would be falling because he was going right next

to Devont to Smith before. He was going like great beside him. Well, right. So for me at least, like I had Wilson in London way ahead of in the preseason and I still do. I don't have Smith in this tier. You guys all voted him in this tier.

And then like Reed, I guess I like more than God. and Rice is weird because he's injured, but so I don't know where to put him. You have them in B, Tom? Yeah, yeah, I do. I think I have him in B, but here's why I think I can be talked out of it.

I yuk, and I think part of the bad start is not practicing, right? We've seen the slow starts, even CD Lam, been slow start. Now he's starting to come back to Target Share, everyone's healthy. I think still at the end of the day, he's in, He's right there with Devont to Smith. The variance is still going to exist with him. Still one of the best receivers in the league. Still be a 16 plus point player.

And I'm sorry about trying to trade for IUC, impossible. So I think you do have to add a lot of the times to get to him. I'm taking, I'm putting him in the B tier. He's in a great offense. Debo expiring contract cap situations in San Francisco. Pierce all is just, I don't know, don't believe it. I'm putting I you can be. For a dynasty player, to me, Iyuk is still in the B tier.

I think my take on Ayuk is that even like even if it's just him and Debel leaves, I don't know how much that matters. Like it's just kind of this offense is very like stratified kind of in their roles, right? Like they're just going to game plan for whatever they see that given week. Yeah, I agree. If it's, I agree. It gets 12 targets this week, then great. But a lot of the time it's going to be.

he gets three targets, right? I get it. He's a perennial, he's a perennial like wide receiver 12 to 15, right? And to me, like if Smith, Wilson,

who's kind of in that same range, like, I think you put him right beside him. The same production levels. I'm putting him right there. And same cost to acquire. Like his cost to acquire is the same. That's why I got to put him in there.

This was, is anyone, is anyone riding with Tom? Because the chat's saying, see, on same. We're all just against him. Ryan, same C.

I don't have to talk anymore. Yeah, I don't have a strong opinion. Damn. You guys betrayed me on my birthday. This is Bulls. This is, I will,

I will take the sword off the wall and fight everyone to the death for Brandon Ayyuk. All right. All right. You got the,

you got the Brennan Iyuk sword. Maybe I'll send you a trade offer in the Frozen Tundra Home League after we get off. Waddle and D.K are the other names that have been brought

up in the chat. Waddles and C. I don't have the heart to fight the Waddle fight anymore, to be honest. So if anyone that volunteers to fight it with me, I'll find it heart, but I don't have it. I'll fight it with you, Jacob. I'll fight it. If we took away the

starting quarterback for any other wide receiver in the B tier, would they be in our C tier? I think he was in that C tier before the quarterback went. His upside is cat. We've had this argument like a lot. And he, he got drafted in and around these same guys once again.

So as long as T. T's, as long as Tyreek is there, because I can speak words as a professional, I think his upside is just capped that I'm not paying the iron price for him. I did get him as a buy low, not that long ago, but it still cost me a lot.

Yeah, this is the thing with, it's kind of a weird spot where, like, I knew I was ahead of the market on Waddle in a vacuum this offseason because I was drafting tons of them in seasonal leagues. But I still only had like one share in dynasty because I had never really been in on him in previous years until the cost had in theory dropped. But it hadn't really dropped in the cost to acquire because I couldn't get him anywhere.

And then now I've really noticed that the market's falling out on him because I've been acquiring him left and right the last two, three weeks. Yeah, he's an actual buy. Like he's an actual buy. But it's like what's the overall upside to me? Him and Iyuk to me, like if they're going to be perennial 12 to 14 finishers, to me that's what that C tier is. I don't know.

The argument is literally like yards for outrun, but we've had this one. It's yards per out run with Tua in the previous season and then hope that that happens again. It's like 14 points for game, 15.3 points per game and 15.4 points for game. That's been his career. That's just the player he is,

especially now that Tyreek is there. So for me, if I'm going to make the case, like the target's part run yards per run profile and Waddle has just been distinctly better than guys like Smith and Hick against another number two wide receivers, and it's been more on par with what you see

at a number one wide receivers in the league. But obviously that's with Tua. I don't know what people view the stability of his situation. So I'm like soft voting B, but clearly the chat is on C. Tom's on C. So that's, we can put Waddle and C.

I didn't get my I, you, Greg. Give me my Waddle. The other guy that's, the other guy that's been, that we should discuss, I think the chat has been pushing him. And I think it's reasonably.

He's had a great start to the year. D.K. Metcalf? I think he's in C. Oh, and B. For me. People were asking if he should be in B. I think he's in C.

I think by the end of this year, I think you'll see D.K. Metcalf be in the B category because the hope for JSN is going to dwindle. Hopefully, please, one day. Dwindle, but he'll be 27.

Again, we're talking about a 14 to 15, 16 point per game player. I think he belongs in that I youth tier. He had, to me, he's in the IUkef. tier, but he has A tier game upside. Yeah, my issue with Metcalf, though, is like at this point, if he was having the season

two years ago, he'd definitely be in B tier for sure. It's just like, to me, like, you think of like A.J. Brown is probably going to be in B tier at the end of this year from a value perspective. They're pretty much the same age. And it's like, D.K. has never produced like A.J. Brown produces from a fantasy point. Like, he needs to be, like, if you think about the guys that were, that were valued, like, there wasn't really that many wide. receivers in between, but like, do you remember when like that run of like Hill and Adams and

digs and like all those guys were like 27, 28? Yeah. They were kind of valued as like what the B tier would be now. And those guys were producing like 20 points per game, right? And Metcalf is more like even this looks like it might be his best year, but he still looks like he's giving me more of a 16, 17. Yeah, he'll be a back-end wide receiver one to 13, 14, 15. And that's what I'm saying.

That's to me what this tier is. But he has a tier upside. Like any given week in this offense with Gino chucking that ball. Now that we look, we know what JSN is. He had one outlier week and now we know what he is. He's just like West Coast Godwin with a little bit less to him. Like lock it's still that dude. So we got, okay.

So we got, I think, I think S, A and B are taken care of. That is five, that's 15 names locked in. We got four more locked in to C. We got 17 more names. I think we're, we've probably closed the book on B. Uh, who else we put it in C? Anyone got some C's? T. Higgins.

Okay. T. Higgins. Yeah. Sounds like that. T. Higgins. For sure. For sure. Totally agree. Let's go with T. Higgins. I didn't know what to say. You'd like what to say.

I don't know. I would rather have T. Higgins and Zay by like a billion. And Jacob can't just call me a hater. He's had like two games this year where he's been like reasonable. where are we out on C is is fair yeah I'm okay with that where are we out on Ruma Dunezay

I was gonna I was gonna bring him up he he's I think is a D for me but I could see his value to me for Dynasty his value is still in C tier I don't know he's a rookie on an offense that's been weird like Caleb's been bad more than half of his starts

and he's just starting to pick it up he had the breakout game when Keenan wasn't there like I'll put Rome for dynasty value. Good luck getting him for less than that. Good luck. I'm not going to argue like from an empirical perspective. I'm kind of arguing from a normative perspective. I agree with value he's in C.

The lawyer, empirical in the normal. Skoll, I'm sorry, JSN is a West Coast Godwin is an embarrassingly bad comparison. Let me know when he starts scoring points. Wasn't he the one making Godwin

comparisons for this. I'm confused. What's the complimentary? Yeah. Let me know when he scores. Like, let me know when it happens. All right.

So is anyone, I don't have that big of it. Does anyone want to, want to raise a racket about either DJ Moore, Ramadunes Day, the Bears? Random Nacho says it's insulting to Godwin. It is.

I think like DJ Moore's probably still CET here for me. All right. Seats here. Yeah, I think that's fine. I don't think you, look, I think, I think if you, I don't think you can put Rome and C and the guy who outproduces him every single week in D. That's, that's a top. Yeah, DJ Moore's got to be, D.J. Moore is still young.

He had, you know, he has elite upside. Keenan is dead, as the chat said. So I'm going to go, I'm going to go see DJ Moore and Rome. And I mean, Caleb, maybe he can actually carry these guys. Maybe he can actually do it. All right. Who, is there anyone else for? see that we're seeing either on this

list or I'm going to just cross reference with my ranks quick to see if there's anyone that's not included on this website that we've put a lot of When are we going to bring up Tyree Kill? Yeah, that's why I'm going to right past, yeah. Yeah, I think I think it would be reasonable to put him

He's got to be in C. He's got to be in C. His value is still there. I'll tell you exactly where he went in the startup that I'm doing right now. Let's find Tyree Kill. How about,

Terry Kill went at the 4-11, just after IUC, one spot after IUC, he's got to be in that C-tier. His value is still going to be there. All right. Let's touch on some guys in the chat. The chat is saying Michael Pittman.

I think everyone knows my perspective of Michael Pittman, which is that he shouldn't be on the chart. But anyone who has less of a personal hatred of Michael Pittman, like to chime in, feel free. Not getting that for me. Yeah. I'll put Pitman in the D tier.

Pitman will go in the D tier. F tier, now you better put, you better put, you better put downs in the D tier too because younger is substantially better. I'll, Pittman,

Pittman's got to be in the D tier. He's an elite target earner. He's had really, yeah, 30% target share. Yeah, elite target earner. How about, what?

He'd hit them while you, he produces. He's an elite. That would Josh Downs, maybe. How about, how about 34% targets per outrun, Josh Downs?

because he's a lot better than Pittman and he's on the same team when he's younger he's not old he's 23 like he's not like I think down's I think Downs is fine

I think I think Downs is fine he's like I don't know how good he is or is but I know he's better than Michael Petman who sucks yeah hold on Godwin isn't scoring points that's not what I said

is that JSN's not scoring points we're still on Godwin I don't understand what this dude is talking about. We're over the JSN Garvin. Okay. No idea what he's. He's just talking into the ether at this point.

We're discussing the Colts fourth-bass-wide receiver. Insane. Let's see if Josh Towns is drafted. Okay, we can debate the Michael Pittman talent. And I'm looking at his value too, right? I don't think Downs isn't drafted yet. So like Pittman's, Pitman's value is not great because I roster him, like, unfortunately, in a couple places.

And I've been trying to train him away for like anything. And you can't, you can't get much. I mean, here's it. Like, we can discuss the Michael Pittman talent if we want to. The better case against Pitman to me is like, Joe Flacco isn't actually their quarterback. Their quarterback is Anthony Richardson. And he has completed an average of 12 passes per game this year in his games that he started and finished.

Yeah, your quarterback is. rough out there. We can debate whether Pitman's whole thing of running seven-yard drag routes and getting tackled as a helpful NFL skill. But to the extent that it is, it's not great at earning a lot of fantasy points if you play with a quarterback who completes 12 passes per game. I just don't, I don't see how he's a startable fantasy asset when the quarterback is Anthony Richardson.

And that's the case for minimum. I don't think downs is either. I'm not even making the case for downs here. I think no, both of neither of them should be on this chart. Taylor are like non-violent. Not on the chart to me is correct. You have convinced me for D-tier.

I think you're talking crazy, not even on the chart. Put them down here for now. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Where are you? Like, where are you ranking Michael Jim and Josh?

I drafted him wide receiver 30. Juan Dale Robinson is going to outscore both the Colts wide receivers. Yeah, Wondale. Hey, don't get me started. Wondell Robinson should be in the D-tier. Don't even get me started. I'd rather have one dayle over. I thought we were ranking 30-

guys. Yeah. We're ranking 32 guys and you just said, oh, I drafted him at wide receiver 36. That would be off the chart, Thomas, right? Hey, I'm just, I'm just saying, he said 36 guys. We're going to get back to, we're going to get back to Wondale after we're going to, we are going to end up drafting. You're putting more than 30, 32 guys on this. If you thought we were keeping it at 32, you're out of your mind and haven't been on this show long enough.

All right. What about Dickens? Can we put Jordan Addson? Do you dare? Feels not controversial. I'll capitulate on Jordan Addison. I feel like I've been the low man on Jordan Addison. I'm okay with having him D-tier now.

He's going to come back and do what he did last week. I'm all right. Chris Slotwin, D-tier or E-tier? He's above Pittman for me. So I'll go D. All right. That's fine with me. He's going to out-produce Pipp.

I'm fine with Godwin here. I mean, he's like, I think he's a step below DJ Moore and a step above him. I like D for him. What about Tank Dell? Let me make a tank doll. He'd be, he'd be D or C for me, but I think probably D. I think D right now.

Solidly D. Where's George Pickens going? I'm going to be. I was surprised nobody even mentioned him for C tier. I thought that he would have come up, but. Well, Pickens is sitting right beside Michael Pittman Jr. for me. He's like younger and can play football, though. Yeah, it is.

He's like having his snaps monitored is going to end up benched. just we monitor Michael Kevin snaps. I would like to monitor Michael Pitman snaps. I'd like to make sure you get zero going forward. It would be my ideal situation.

George, George Pickens is like, I'd like to make sure he, I like to make sure we just burn his jersey. We'll pay him, pay him the money. I would just like to pay him $22 million a year to not step on Lucas oil field.

I've said, I've said, I've said, I'm tired of watching this useless player. You're in too deep with Michael Pittman. You're in too deep. I'm telling you. Step out of the Colts.

Uh, uh, corner and breathe. And you'll, be okay. Pickens doesn't belong in the D tier. Six targets for 10 yards. Pickens doesn't belong in that tier to me. He's never,

like he's never finished above wide receiver 30. He's really great on busted coverages and offensive pass interference penalties that aren't called. He doesn't get a ton of targets on a regular basis. And even when he does, he's not producing with them. He's just okay. To me, this is like the flashy,

unrealized Air Yard's dream player who doesn't produce often enough in your lineup. He's fine but like, I'm out bro. Tom says F. I'm voting D. I said E. Right.

Where are we get F from? I'm right. Okay. He's one. I'll actually, I'll actually vote D for Fickens. Like I've come up on him this year. I did not think he was that good before the season. And I have what this? I can't.

Lucas Gilbert. I, look. I, I think, I think he's D tier. It's, yeah. Unbelievable. He's not, he's not going to produce for you this year or whatever, but he, I mean, D tier, my standard for D tier right now is, I don't know what type of production. I'm necessarily going to get out of you this year, but I, I think you're a talented player that's going to hold dynasty value.

That's fine enough. That's Jordan Addison more or less. This guy's holding dynasty value on the back. change Dell for me. I think Dell's better. Here, okay, here's the guy that I would actually make the case for in C tier, but I know I'm not going to get any purchase with anyone on that.

I think he should very much be the D tier. Ladd-McConkey, over two yards per route run, rookie. We've got three. 26% targets for route run. Chat hates this George Pickens thing. You have the chat. You in the chat, we're up over three to two.

I got the chat. Chat with me today. Unlike, unlike George Beckins. This guy's first one in, last. one out. Any thoughts on Lad? I like Ladd in the D tier is fine to me. All right. It's already better than George Pickens. I'm kind of with you. I would be close to like doing the C tier argument with you, Jacob. I just think Zay is probably the one that makes me hesitate there. I don't think I'd take that. I like Zee in the C tier. So. Oh, I like saying the C tier too. If we're expanding tiers, I suppose. Yeah. All right. Maybe we should have fought more about Zay. You're giving Okay, okay.

I think the resistance was so strong. It wasn't worth it. Yeah, we kind of skated right past him. Oh, my God. Let's talk about Jameson Williams. Where's he going? I think he has to be D tier. Yeah, he's an easy D.

Jameson D. How do we feel about, how do we feel about Zeyer worthy? I would probably see if you're worthy in the E tier. Agreed. Yep. I'll take him over, C tier for Zay Flowers is insane.

silver pitman. insane. He's not in C. He's not. He's not. He's a scat back that gets used as a wide receiver like three times a year.

Dynasty points is the least Homer show ever. Dynasty points where Tom and Jacob complain about the best wide receiver on their favorite themes. It's a great show. Give me more Colar targets. Give me more Colar targets. That dude's got swag. Polar has like 8.5 yards

for a run. Fun. He's the guy that Scott Barrett, like, forced me to know that fact yesterday. I was upset. Is Debo Samuel, is he appropriately named for his tier? D for Debo? D for Debo? I think.

I can't on age. I can't on age. I've actually passed on him. 29. Really? Expiring contract. I know, I know he produces. Hold on.

Yeah. If we're doing a dynasty value type thing. I'm not taking Gobbin over Debo. I am. I will. I'll take Auburn over Debo. I think they should at least be in the same tier. I'm sorry, if we're talking about,

if we're talking about like a potential like, oh, this guy's going to be gone next year, I don't want to know what Debo looks like on another team at 30 years old. I don't want to know. It's terrifying. Terrifying to me. He's just a darn good player.

I think he's going to produce this fine. He's going to outproduce almost everyone we have listed in B and C this year. Yeah. Oh, possibly. Damn. He should at least be in D. Bourbon. Bourbon, we have Brian Thomas in A tier.

Like, he shouldn't be two tiers below DJ Moore and Tyree Kill. Can you zoom in a bit so the people can see? There we go. That's lit. Is that better? Okay. I think everybody else has been, is anyone else Tom on this anti-debo agenda or can we? I can't.

Is anyone with you? Do you have an ally? Ryan, Lucas? No. Yeah, Andrew. I like Andrew Cooper here. He said, I heard when it's your birthday, you get an extra vote.

I push all the buttons. Okay, we'll give you... You'll still be down three, two. I know, I know. Well, we'll love you give me the chat too, baby. And I said, I'm breaking the ties. He's got the extra vote.

Chat and the tiebreaker. There we go. This is like when, uh, um, uh, it's like on five for five when like I'm like, actually it's comfortable points.

Actually, you can't do it's no voice. I know you tried to. That's why you're the goat. That's why you did. We did let you one VP. three us on today so we gave you that true um

okay i'm sorry but look i get it was say like i was up after like week one i was like oh this is going to be great he's going to get used and then he became uh a backup scat back and then this week they actually needed to pass against a terrible bengal's defense and he did get open a bit so he's just not consistent man he's not consistent he's not consistent all right let's let's let's get we're moving towards the end here um let's show up some other

names. I feel like Stefan Diggs has to be. Devonte Adams. We can do Diggs first. I mean, it's kind of the same conversation, honestly. Like, Diggs, I think, has to be the same tier as Michael Pittman, Jr. Agreed. Yeah, Dynasty value.

If we're talking Dynasty value, I agree. And keep in mind, like, this is, we said to the beginning of the show, this is to make sure we have a good time at the end of the day. Like, take actionable as you want out of it. We're here. we're here to have a good time. I think wherever you put digs, we got to put Adams in the same tier to me.

I agree. And I think Devante Adams, future Raven, nullifying Zayflowers forever. I think these like four old guys, wherever we're putting them, they should all be in the same. You want to talk about someone that shouldn't be on this list.

Calvin Ridley shouldn't be on the chart. Well, he's not going to put him on the chart. He's deader than dead. He has a 15% targets per outrun this year. He's a lot of time. Taylor, Clarks, Tyler, Tyler Boyd,

Chigicka Conquo, and DeAndre Hopkins is the torn me or not yeah he's can we put dante johnson on the list yeah yeah djo's gonna get on the list are we gonna put him in the bottom tier i i think that he goes in the same tier especially if the panthers are going to keep using him in this way like i'm with that he's the thing i think so good the last jerry mccloren where we should we should he be d hold on i want to make i i want to make a uh a case for dante if bryce young doesn't touch the field again he should go in the d tier

because he's not old enough to take him out of the D tier for me. We know he's good and he's got a quarterback and thrown the ball that doesn't have to make like an NBA style fadeaway to get him the ball in the flat. And the reason I don't think Bryce Young's seeing the field is Canales, after the game was asked why they put him in, Bryce Young in the game. He said to protect Andy Dalton because there was line issues.

Like to say you want to, just say you want him to get reps or something, but to say like we wanted to protect Andy Dalton, from getting hurt is damning. I think Dejo's getting this work all year. He's in the D tier for me. If you're putting someone like Zay Flowers in, that's fine to me.

She projects like the same as Chris Godwin every single week and he's six months younger or something. Yeah, exactly. All right, sure. If we're going to do the Godwin Diva thing. Okay. But then like, okay, then I would argue that like,

I think maybe Cop and Evans got to be in D too then if we're putting Deonté in there. I think Evans has a good, like Evans should be wherever Godwin is because our argument has always been we should be drafting them next to each other and then this year for no reason we drafted them like four rounds apart in the off season and like we've been saying on the show that never made sense so Evans and Godwin have to be paired together now we're talking about dynasty value and stuff like it's very hard to to get Evans off of people's rosters because it's always on a contender so like you can't really apply his like dynasty evaluation so for this this is purely. based on production and situation. He needs to be there. And then, like, Cooper, Cooper Cup, like, was, like,

he might just have, like, 20 points per game this year. Yeah. I think you. Is that because he's almost, I feel like, to me, like, to me,

if we're putting Deonté up here, and we have Gobbett up here, we have Debo up here. Like, I kind of want to move, like, if you want to have Diggs a tier differently, because he,

he's behind Nico, that's, it'd be fine, but, like, I feel like cop and, at least it's probably got to be up where Evans is. Yeah, I'm okay with that.

I think his dynasty values is dead. I think he needs to be where Adams is. It's going to be alive when he, I mean, he scored like 30 points his only game this year. He comes back, scores 30. Right. No, I understand. He comes back and then Puga comes back right around the same time. I think he's right where Adams is.

I think he's one of those players. I want Adams. I don't get, like, I just don't get how, like, why is Mike Evans a tear ahead of on Adams? Is Adams stepping on the field again before he gets a trade? No. And do we like either of the place and get traded to? Is he going to produce like Cooper Cup in either of the possible?

If he goes to the Baltimore Ravens is dead for fantasy. Yeah. If he goes and are we happier if he goes to the Jets? No, you're right. I don't think so. Yeah. Really? Is he producing like Cooper Cup on the Jets? No, but he's going to produce like Mike Evans.

He could. I could see that. Like Cooper Cups probably just going to be the wider seat. But for me, some of this is like current situation. now we're projecting where he's going to go and what's going to happen. Hopefully not for my best ball bags, but he looked like he was going to be in one. Kup said some idiot about to win his league back-to-back years with his terrible D-tier star wide receiver ones.

That's always how it is, Coop. Like, really, when, that's why we always talk about drafting value and it just, like, those receivers are such smashes. Godwin in the ninth round this year was a fucking catastrophe. One guy, so Terry McCorn is a guy, I think we got to discuss, and then JSN, and we got to discuss. I think Terry, I mean, if we're going to put, Godwin and Deontay.

I don't see how Terry's in a different tier than Godwin and Deontay. Yeah, and I would put JSN in that D tier as well. He's in that D tier with Zay. I feel like he's more worthy for me. We're talking, but I agree, but if we're talking dynasty value, he's got to be in the D tier. Wait, we're talking our values,

Tom, these are our years. I know, I'm putting, I'm mixing it all. I've been doing it all show. I'm kind of mixing like where he sits in dynasty. I'm going to drive to your house and tell your mother you're being mean to me on my birthday. And she will be not as that. It won't be your birthday by the time you get there.

It's a 40 hour drive. To your mom's house? Did they move out there? Oh, my mom's house. Yes. I said, I'm going to drive to your mom's house until you're being mean to me on my birthday. I can get there in 10 minutes. You can get there quick.

That's true. We're Dr. Jacob's mom live on stream tonight. Okay. JS. People want JSM's beta ass and D. You can have it. I think that he has to be.

It sucks. Oh, okay. If we wanted to have the, if we want to fight on it, Jacob, we can. I will fight.

We don't have enough time to fight. We're putting Byzantavian Wix into the E tier. Yes. And we won't be debating that. None of the other names that are actually on the screen.

Does anyone think any of these names that are on? Keon Coleman needs to be in the E tier. He needs to be in the E tier. And I would put Amari, if we're, if Pittman's there, Amari's got to be there. He's still getting insane targets.

Cooper. He just hasn't been able to catch as well. his targets. We're getting James. I think here is Devante Adams and Stefan Diggs, that seems. Yeah, we're going to get, we are getting, we got to get a change at quarterback here soon.

Cooper's got to be there. Christian Kirk, Christian Kirk's got to pop up. That dude, he's always consistently good. I think he belongs there. Kind of getting Alphud. I don't know.

Getting Alphabet by Thomas. He's going to have Engram back. He had like one catch the first two weeks. He's losing routes to Parker Washington. I mean, 15.9, 19.1, and 12.8. Pretty good. And a ball hit him in the face.

I can't believe that ball hit him in the face. He should have had that. It hit him in the face. Jacob, I'm surprised you're not fighting for Adnoy Mitchell to be there. If Pittman's going to be sitting in that tier. Adnan Mitchell? Well, like the guy who decides every route is an opportunity to try out for the high school improv team.

No, thanks. We're not putting Adonai Mitchell on this tier. There are two cold squad receivers. who are good. Their names are Josh Downs and Alec Pierce. Neither of them are on the screen. For the record, Josh Downs should be, well, whatever tier Michael Pittman is in,

Josh Downs should be ahead of that. If I'm being serious, he should be in the E tier. He's just not on the screen. But he should be at least in that tier. There's just puredistance. Other names that are not on the tier or not on this list that should probably be considered. I'm trying to look through to see if there's anything

that's out. Yeah, I'll scroll through. Shout out names. Oh, Rashid used to be in the E tier. Or honestly the D tier. Yeah. He's out producing. Nick Chubb just got drafted at the 9-8. That's a choice.

In the startup. And then, yeah, I think, yeah, Rashid and Downs are the two names that stuck out to me that should be on this list that aren't. I don't think there's anyone else that I want to include this off, unless there's someone. Oh, Khalil Shakir

should probably be in the E tier, I think. Yep. How close are we to including Jalen Polk in this? Not too close. Yeah. Show me, show me this week and we can talk about it. I have been saying like...

I'd be funny we get ahead of Polk if we're going to go down. Go down that. Yeah, Leggett's got to be there. Mooney. No. Yeah, Mooney. No, can't do it. Great player.

great buy. He was one of my, I remember talking him up in the late round by all draft season, basically getting the Addison role with Kirk. And I mean, there's too much right. There's way too much number 34. Also, a wide receiver wearing 34 is blasphemous and needs to be stopped. It's worse than Skymore's 24. It's terrible. One number five. One number five,

that's 15. That is 23, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, wait, sorry, 23, four, three, 31, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 2, 3, 4. Sean says you actually don't have to talk about JSN. This is, we have 43 names plus three because we said she's downs and Shakir. So we went 46 wide receivers. Ironically, I did not have to add an extra row because we have exactly 36 from A through D correctly,

not including Michael Pittman Jr., who sucks at football. Is it time to do our... You got to skip the Haterate. Also, I realize we didn't take, like, any breaks during this. So, Trey, going to get mad at me for this one, but we're going to get a second break in here, and that'll just have to do for this week, I think, because we're off the rails on this program. That's what we do. Let's talk about, let's go through the tiers.

So we got our S tier, our number one tier. It's Jefferson, Lamb, Chase, Neighbors, St. Brown, with some votes from the chat. And then we had Tier A.J. Brown, Marvin. Brian Thomas and Puka. Remember, these aren't ranked in the tiers. These are just the tiers that we've kind of put together for a good time. In the B tier, we have Garrett Wilson, Drake London, who's finally, finally putting up the points. We were calling him Little Points London for way too long, and now he's actually putting up big points.

Oh, shout out London. Devonta Smith, who I fought for, Jaden Reed, who, Jacob and I need to have a conversation about off-screen in a help circle Rishi Rice who man if he didn't tear his knee this dude would be in the A tier C with some debate we have Chris Alave Brandon Iu

Jalen Waddle D. K. Metcalfe Teehiggins Dijamor Romadunze and Tyreek Hill I think Tyreek Hill is just strictly based on age if we're going production this dude's in the A tier we're going then we get into the questionable D tier we have Zay Flowers

Jordan Anderson Chris Godwin Tank Dell unfortunately George Pickens, Ladd-McConkey, Jameson Williams, Deontay Johnson, Debo, Mike Evans, Cooper Cup, Terry McClorn, I think is interesting.

And then JSN, because you kind of have to have them there. And then in the E-tier, the heavily disrespected for no reason, anti-Cultz Homer, Jacob Sanderson, Michael Pittman, Jr., Xavier Worthy in this tier, really disappointing with how he's been.

Stefan Digg, Devante Adams, Dontavian Wix, Keon Coleman, and I had to fight for it, but I'm not ready to kill off Amari Cooper just yet. So that is... Downs, Shahed, Shakir. What's that? Plus Downs, Shahed, and Shahir. Right. In the D tier, correct? Downs... Oh, do we put Shahed in the D?

I think Shahed goes in D. If I think she could go in D. I think she'll go in D. Shihid and D, Downs and Shakir and E. Agreed. Agreed. Great. set of tier lists. We're going to take a break when we come back and do player picks and get out of here. All right. Here we go. For player picks, if you don't know and haven't played this game with us before, this is great fun. We are a dynasty program,

but we like to have something to kind of have bragging rights for. We do the live draft show after Scott and all those guys go off the air. We talk immediate dynasty impacts back to back nights for the live draft show

and we cover day three for the most part we cover the other days in their entirety obviously so let's talk about how we do this we pick a quarterback outside of the top 15 an RB outside of the top 15 a wide receiver outside of the top 30 a tight end outside of the top

12 because we hate ourselves we've updated Jacob continues to be in the lead at 3.30. 332.56. I'm no longer, I'm in last, I look, I took a shot last week and it definitely didn't work.

I thought I was going to get an edge here. We'll talk about that in a minute. Lucas has climbed a second at 233.06 and Ryan at 221.44. I'm at 213.22. I needed Joe Mixen to play. Because when we pick an injured player, right? We don't get a substitute.

There's no auto sub feature like Jacob mentioned here on this program. And we take our shots. And I had to take a shot to try to catch up to Jacob. Who has a 100 point lead in this game somehow? Truly magical run. This is a record pace for this game that he's on. And it's pissing me off every single week.

So the three of us have to unite. And one of us has to win this thing. If I have to drink more pickleback shots on draft night, I'm not showing up. I'm pulling a hammy. My back is going to hurt. I don't know what the excuse is going to be. But I'm not going to be there.

But let's talk about it. we pick, did I mention the quarterback outside of the top 15 running back outside? I said that already. All right, we're good. Let's start. Well, I was going to say, let's start with last place. That's me. This is a great game. I love this game. It doesn't, bother me at all.

It does. It really does. I'm going to go, Gino Smith at quarterback. I think he has an opportunity to light it up. I'm going to go, Giovante Williams, who's starting to catch some passes and look a little better at running back. I'm going to go Wondale Wario Robinson

who definitely should have been on that tier sheet list and is madly, madly disrespected. He's just, he's JSN with worse PR, but like better. And then I'm going to go, Micah Sicki for the Bengals.

I need some upside here. We are going to go, we'll go next up to, who's next, we're going to Ryan. All right. A quarterback, I'm stealing Jacobs whole bit

and just playing the QB against the Colts. So that's Will Levis. week. Running back going Chase Brown. I don't believe the whole like Zach Moss is miraculously fine type of thing. I assume he misses a week. Either way, game has a high total against the Giants. So works for me. DeAndre Hopkins, just streaming more players against the cults seems to work out. And as Jacob mentioned, that taking the guy that doesn't have a 15% target for outrun. So yeah, Hopkins over Ridley for me there. And then at tight end, we're going Cole Komet, just because I don't know.

I'm frank, I've never been a Cole Commet guy. Frankly impressed that he's kind of hung around and actually produced with, with so many different quarterbacks, with the Shane Waldron shenanigans with Gerald Everett running 40% of the routes. Like good for Colquette. Nevertheless, he persisted. Yeah, honestly. That's where he's at now. Yeah.

I had a discussion today. We had a big debate in one of my group chats where all we do is debate, fantasy football. And the debate was his Tucker, the top five dynasty tight end. And I was on the set of yes. And someone else was like, I'm pretty sure he's just faster Colquemette, at which point I said,

buddy, have you seen tight end lately? If Cole Comette was faster, he would be a top five. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah, Tucker Craft is definitely on my go list. Lucas.

Okay, I've cut Jacobs Lee to less than 100. So I feel pretty good about that. I just need, you know, 10 more of these sustained weeks where Jacob puts somebody who gets a zero into his lineup and I might have a shot. How can single Terry injury come from?

We had no idea that existed at the time. I remember texting because we have, Jacob and I have the Scott Barrett Dynasty Invitational that were undefeated in. So take that, Danny Kelly and Scott Barrett and Ryan Heath and everyone else in that league. I traded

Joe Flacco in that league for a third or whatever before the week to my opponent. I was like, you know what? I always take a third for Joe Flacco. That's fine. He had no one else to start. Beat me. Yeah, that was a risk. We knew we were taking that risk.

I'm just, I just wanted to point out that Jacob and I are undefeated. So there's that. AJ Hawk. I have to always remember that you're actually talking about me when you say that. It doesn't click up here. So I'm going, I went really.

really risky here, except for at tight end. At quarterback going with Daniel Jones, who actually didn't look like the worst thing in the world last weekend. Maybe he will again this weekend against Cincinnati. Then Tank Bigsbee coming off. I know he's been good, but I think this was his true breakout game this past week. Hopefully he can get into the end zone at least one time. That'll make me a very happy end.

If he keeps still in work from Travis Eton, I'll take that too. then Jalen Tolbert, who is actually kind of a thing right now for Dallas. And it's a little surprising. Detroit is a very winnable matchup there. And then going with- He's really ruining some tanks right now, and I'm going to need a 24-third for him immediately in like four leagues. He's entered the Rashid-Shahid zone of players that I picked up off waivers for nothing.

that then I had to trade away on, like I picked up Rashidjaheed on all my tanks was the leagues that I had roster space like two years ago. Then he became too productive to roster on a tank team but nobody wanted to pay anything for him. So I had to trade him away for fucking nothing because I didn't want his points for ruining my 101s. Now he's fucking worth a late first.

I don't have him anywhere. Bullshit. This is the James Robinson theory. So good. And then I'm wrapping up my lineup with Mr. Zackert who's coming off eight target. targets only two receptions but still eight targets and Baltimore it gives up the fifth most amount of points in the time position on the season so that's even with shutting down Travis E.T. and then week one so they're selling out to stop the run like Baltimore is just selling out we can't guard the grass that we're standing on it's driving me up the wall. Jacob you have the lead let's let's hope you fail miserably my most friend play this week I I I really did the whole

fuck around and find out. You have such a lead that you can do this and I think that bothers me even more. Yeah, I mean, I had a bevy of options at my disposal. You know, there's a certain quarterback who I've tweeted about a lot, liking more than consensus is going to get his first start

this week that I'm sure you all predicted me to play. But I'm not talking about Drake May. I'm picking Spencer Rattler, who might not even start, but just gets an infinitely better situation. and match up to throw a she has to walk into. So give me Spencer Rattler.

I'm on record saying that I thought he was a better quarterback prospect than Michael Pennix and Bo Nix this year. That that tweet obviously looks really stupid when he goes in the fifth round and Michael Panics and Bo Nix goes in the first. But maybe this week he can prove that I'm never wrong just early if he can go out and dice up the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So I will be absolutely appointment television. on Spencer out. I'm pretty sure they also play early. If that's true, I'm going to need to have

a triple screen situation of Rattler, May, and the Colts. If I have to sacrifice one, it's probably going to be the Colts. So give me Spencer Rattler this week. The running back pick, I don't know, man. All the running back suck. The only guys I want to take are all taken. Naji Harris gets the Raiders, and the Raiders are bad, and they lost Christian Wilkins. So I guess I'll take Naji in his 12 points. And then Josh Downs, who I don't know if Flockless going to play this week, I don't think so. But if he does, Josh Jones is going to be a top 10 receiver. And if he doesn't, then he's maybe still going to be fine because he is the king and the god.

34% targets per route run for Josh Downs this year. Basically, Malik Neighbors on the Indianapolis Colts. And then tight end I have Kate Otten, who socks. but he runs all the routes and that's about as good as you can ask for for a tight end outside the top 12. Kedon does suck. He does suck and yeah, I did

I do want to point out, Ryan Heath just posted that Yoshivash tweeted out quote tweeted ass. Nice. So the ass metric making its way into NFL circles. I mean, we had Greg Olson mentioned it on air

in a broadcast. the average separation score. Being asked to Kyle Shanahan, fantasy points, we're on the up. We're on the up, baby. 24-3 secured for Jalen Talbert. There you go.

There you go. That's what's up. I have a feeling I got an IUC deal hitting my inbox here. I wish he had Jaden Reed. I had Jaden Reed in that league. That's what's so frustrating. I drafted him in the rookie draft,

and then I didn't know he's going to be anything, and then I needed the freaking tight end and I traded him for stupid Dallas Goddard when like half a year's rookie season when Mark Andrews got hurt. Ugh. At least I'm undefeated in the defending champion, but I still miss you, Jane Reed.

I did knock out the other undefeated player in the home league for you this week. How my battered and broken home league team continues to win weeks? No idea. It's not because of Patrick awful Mahomes in four point passing touchdown leagues. I'll tell you that.

That dude's trying his best to lose me games every single damn week. It's brutal, painful. You know what? Let's just, how about this? You just trade him for Gino. They'll score more points. Get out of here. I'll throw in Jordan Mason.

What do I look like? Andrew Jameson? Get out of here. Get out of here. All right, there's some final thoughts. We'll get the hell out of here. Who wants to go? Final thoughts?

AJ? Oh, it's actually back. Oh, that's... You should have an answer to that. You should not answer to that, Lucas. I don't know why... I don't know why you... The chat loves it.

I am a textbook, people pleaser. The chat loves it. I don't really have much of a choice here. They commented when I changed it back. That's just how it is now. I didn't even notice that you changed it once and then changed it back. Oh, gosh. You know.

Well, final thoughts. Very happy birthday to Mr. Thomas Tipple, getting to do it live on air with us. Hope that you've had fun, even though we did put Zayflowers in a tier higher than you were wanting him to be. I need Ryan to buy his jersey after his tweet today. No, stop telling me to buy jerseys.

Okay, this is my final thought. Everybody who tweets at me or messages me in Discord, hey, Ryan, you got to replace that Josh Gordon jersey. You guys don't understand the lore behind this. Any Patriots jersey, buy it curses the player they immediately get traded they get josh gorman it doesn't matter i picked up a juju smith schuster jersey 12 hours before he got cut from the team i i touched it in the team's pro shop and that was what gun him cut yeah i'm not buying any other jerseys that's why you need a flowers jersey

don't so you can you get a michael pitman jersey yeah i'll buy you a michael pitman jersey yeah send send me a michael pitman jersey in the mail that that's a good bit i like i i would would hang up a Michael Pitman jersey for that. I like it. I don't know like I would podcast with you anymore, though if I had to look at that. You guys can each send me one. Yeah, you can each send me one. I hope that sounds good.

I can rotate. I hope people know. The Michael Pitman bit, I do the bit partially because I do kind of believe it. Like he, every time that we run the Michael Pittman offense, it's the offense of like we're going to run a fairly unathletic receiver on an infinite supply of eight-yard drag routes. and it's just like infuriating to watch. He's like a totally fine wide receiver and he's good. But I hate him.

Also, I'm sure he's a great guy. I wish I think for the best for him and his family. Amazing. Back to final thoughts here. Yeah. Before we got inside check. We're big billing Lucas right now. You know, I'm a textbook people please here.

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Jacob? Yeah, one of my favorite quarterback prospects of the last ball makes its first start this week. A lot of boomers are very mad about it online. They think that you learn by watching and not learn by doing. So I'm very excited to watch Drake May complete about eight passes out of 29 attempts, be sacked 11 times, and probably springing an AC joint on Monday in the service of learning. So my final thoughts are pro learning. I don't understand how you can just watch it, watching a quarterback take on an assisted suicide. Like that is just every game.

They're picking Jacoby Brissette, like peeling him like he's a... You can't believe he made it through five games. Like I wanted Drake made a start because I need it for my best ball bags, even though he won't score any fantasy points in this environment, which is potentially a reason I shouldn't have drafted so much from the best ball. But anyway, setting aside all that logic, I was kind of curious from a scientific perspective if Jacoby Percett could have made it through a 17-game season as a human pinn model.

I don't think so, too. It was astounding that he wasn't put on IR yet. Like, it felt like at some, I felt every Monday felt like we were a little bit closer to getting the Schefter tweet of like Jacoby Brissette has been diagnosed with a lacerated spleen like even taken to the hospital immediately. And it'll be undergoing observation like, he's in the care unit. And like, I was kind of surprising we never got that tweet because he was, I've never, I've never, I've never, you should have filed an occupational health and safety complaint. I don't know what labor and employment lawyers are doing in Boston. but it wasn't reasonable. They're pitting them in for a sacrifice.

It is a little weird because, like, yeah, the line has been for months. Yeah, we can't play during May. He's going to, the line in turn, like the line that everybody's saying in New England is, yeah, we can't play during May. He's going to get killed out there. If we toss him out there, he's going to get killed. But there's like this implication on the. other half of it that we're just like sending. He died, he dies.

He's out there ready to face Ivan Drago. We just ignored that. Oh, my God. If I had to give a final thought, it's this. Today's show is as unstructured, as random, as unplanned, and as for fun as you're ever going to get for us. If you enjoy it, that's awesome. If you didn't, I'm sorry.

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