Fantasy Football Daily - Fantasy Football 2025: Late ADP Risers, Bold Takes & Breaking News w./ Adam Levitan

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Use code SCOREMORE10 at checkout for 10% OFF any subscription. Dominate your league. Win more bets. Level up your game The Fantasy Football Daily crew is joined by Adam Levitan to break down the latest 2025 ADP risers, breaking news, and bold predictions you can’t afford to miss. We dig into Chase Brown’s surge to RB6 in recent drafts, whether the Rams’ backfield split is for real, and the 3rd-round rookie steam between Omarion Hampton and TreVeyon Henderson. We hit on Tetairoa McMillan, Zach Charbonnet, Tyler Warren, and George Pickens—is Pickens this year’s Tee Higgins? Plus, we debate if Lamar Jackson is the Round 3/4 smash pick, identify sneaky values like Rashid Shaheed and Darnell Mooney, and make a bold call for the 2025 season. If you’re drafting right now, this episode is packed with the edge you need. Where to find us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://twitter.com/TheOGFantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://twitter.com/⁠⁠adamlevitan ⁠⁠⁠ Join the Discord here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/discord#/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Fantasy Points for FREE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcast Transcription Here: Fantasy Points Website - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.fantasypoints.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ NEW! Data Suite - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://data.fantasypoints.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fantasypts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #FantasyFootball #2025Rankings #FantasyFootballAdvice #NFL` Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Taking a look at the latest ADP risers and a few of the recent news that you need to know in fantasy football heading into the start of the 2025 season. Theo Greminger, Fantasy Football Daily on the Fantasy Points Podcast Network, joined today by Adam Levittan. I podcast with Adam a bunch of times over at my old place. First time I've had you on a Fantasy Points podcast. So welcome to the show. Let's start out by talking about Chase Brown. Chase Brown's been sort of a steady ticking up rocket ship. You used to be able to occasionally get him in the third round a couple months ago.

Now he's living in round two. In recent FFPC main events, recent FFPC 350s, NFFC prime times, he's sort of climbed to that RB6 range, which is notable because Chase Brown's starting to go ahead of Devon A Chan and Derek Henry in a lot of drafts. And Adam, we've seen with when we get to this time of the year, we start seeing these unique builds. And we saw, I've seen Chase Brown occasionally sneak into round one as like the 110, 11, 11, 112. What's your enthusiasm level?

Is Chase Brown like a dark horse RB1 overall candidate? Or is he a player with just great upside and maybe fewer red flags? I think that when Chase Brown was going in round three, the two, three turn, it was just absolute no brainer. Like they are committed to him as their workhorse. You saw his past catching ability down the stretch. You saw his building to handle huge workloads. The Bengals are going to be one of the league's leaders in yardage and points scored.

What I'm describing, though, is nothing about Chase Brown's actual talent. And I think that if you are talking about a guy that can finish RB1 overall, RB2 overall, I think it's less likely for Chase Brown than it is someone like Devine A Chan or Derek Henry who are just outrageous, outrageous natural talents. Chase Brown is more of a propped up by his environment play. Not that I don't think Chase Brown is good. I do think he's good. But if we're talking about first round, RB1 overall, I start to pump the brakes a little bit there. I consider Chase Brown part of that bucket with A. Chan, Bucky Irving, Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor. I like all five of those guys. When it gets to me in round two, I'm almost always taking one of those

five running backs. Depends on the format, but in most formats, I'm almost always taking one of those five guys there. Mike Leone, who's come on this show, your colleague at ETR, also's come on Dynasty Life recently. A really sharp guy. He seems to like Chase Brown, but he made a comment

the other day on X that I thought was interesting where he talked about him being a little bit like there's a couple of dead zoni traits there. Do you sort of share that? I know you said propped up. Is there like a downside risk with Chase Brown that maybe some are not seeing. Is there, or is it just too propped up because of the lack of RB2?

Taj Brooks, again, a late day two selection. Looks like he would be the next man in. Somaget Piron, super old. Kind of unwrap that one for me. Do you kind of share that sentiment or is it maybe a little bit? Yeah, I mean, that's what I was kind of trying to describe where the dead zoney backs, typically their traits are. They're not that good.

It's just they get a lot of volume. I don't think that's true on Chase Brown. I don't think he's going to lose his job, but I would say, you know, what's more likely? Jonathan Taylor losing carries to DJ Giddins or Chase Brown losing carries to Taj Brooks or targets to Samajip. I don't want to sit here and say bad things about Chase Brown. He's one of my most drafted players, but I just think he's part of that round two bucket now, not like the standout guy in that round two bucket.

We're going to talk a little bit about Ollie Gordon later. He's steaming up draft boards, but what is your comfort level with Devon? A. Chan. It sounds like Miami says he's going to be ready to play week one. And we're recording this actually one week ahead of the start of the NFL season. So where are you at with A Chan? Are you trying to pivot off of him? Or do you think that he's a player that could be come an absolute value when he starts falling to pick like 22, 23, maybe even end of the month at like some of these FFC main events, we could see him at the two three turn. Oh, I mean, that is just a smash for me. I'm, if it was not for Christian McCaffery's having this calf thing last August, I don't think

anybody would be worried about Divine H&D. He's like, oh, he's day to day. He's going to practice on Monday. He's going to play week one. It's just a calf, no big deal. Because CMC had this horrible time with a calf that turned into Achilles, people are more scared now. I understand that. I try not to play scared, how many running backs can average seven yards per carry as a rookie, then touch it 270 times as a sophomore, and then get rid of Johnny Smith and have a path to actually seeing like 70 catches, 90 catches? I mean, would it be crazy to see Divine H.N catch 100 balls this year and get 200 carries? So I think that I think it's worth the risk to take Devon A. Chan there in round two. Yeah, no, I'm completely with you. I took them in a main event last

week. It felt like a strong value there. I completely agree with you on the past catching upside. And I think maybe the slight calf injury is going to lend itself to Miami using him more as a back we want to get out in space, some of those high value touches and a ton of targets out of the backfield, which could actually be very fantasy friendly to sort of work in a second back. I just curious, you mentioned that you've been very enthusiastically drafting this cluster of running backs inside a round two. Have you sort of been pivoting away from those early round two wide receivers? Do you have a favorite? I'll give you a cluster. Amon Ross St. Brown, Nico Collins, BTJ, Pooka Nika Kua, Drake London, all seem to go very close to one another towards the one to turn. Do you have a

favorite player of that mix? Yeah, I think that my favorite of that mix is probably Brian Thomas, Jr. like truly dynamic talent with Liam Cohen now and I think the offense is going to be way better. So I like Brian Thomas Jr.

a lot. I like all those guys a lot. It's just tough for me structurally because my favorite wide receivers are all in rounds four through eight. And so if you start starting drafts like I have no problem starting drafts

in full PPR in a vacuum with Amman Ra and Drake London or Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Jr. Those are awesome, awesome. starts. The problem is then I'm like, well, now I'm in round five and I want to take George Pickens, but I really didn't running back. Let me take Dave Montgomery. Like I would have to like puke to take Dave Montgomery over George Pickens just out of position on the need. So when it's close at the top where I

think it is between A Chan and London, between Henry and some of these guys, between Gentie and some of these guys, I try to get one running back there so that it sets me up to be able to smash wide receiver through the midrange where I think it's not close between the running backs and the wide receivers. Yeah, it's almost like a siren call this year. with some of these wide receiver values. And then you add in the Jordan Addison super late. Rashi Rice was falling late where a lot of managers who don't necessarily intend to go into a draft being a zero RB team.

It's just that the like the allure of taking those two potential wide receiver ones overall. Then you get to that three, four turn. Maybe you take another wide receiver and then you keep clicking that wide receiver button. So I agree with you. I said this on a pod the other day, but I think if you're in a late draft, make sure if you're at that one two turn to start with at least one running back because you could get left holding the bag when you get to that three four turn level. Let's talk about some of those round three running backs though, Adam.

Today we saw a report coming out that the Rams, and the quote was kind of taken a little bit. There's not a whole lot of detail with it, but the Rams want to work in Blake Coram more alongside Karen Williams. Are we buying this at all? Sean McVeigh has been notorious for using a single back, been one of the coaches that we can completely bet on for predictable volume for an RB1. They extend Kyron Williams and Blake Quorum didn't really do anything last year.

Are we supposed to believe that Blake Corum is going to be used week in, week out, even in like 10 touches a game? I can pull up exact quotes from McVeigh and Les Sneed saying the exact same thing last year before Blake Quorum literally couldn't get on the field. So unless something big has changed. And by the way, one thing that's changed is they gave Kyrie Williams a big contract. So, you know, I don't really buy that at all when the chips are down. McVeigh loves Kyra Williams.

Karamins went out there and fumbled. He wasn't even efficient. He was fumbling. And McVeigh was like, ah, 30 more touches. So, no, I am not buying that all. I take some quorum round 19, round 20. I've taken Jarkas Hunter, round 19, round 20. But beyond that, no, not really.

That said, it's not like I'm excited to take Kyron Williams either. I do take elite quarterback Lamar or Josh over Kyron Williams if they're there. Yeah, no, we're going to get to Lamar. I don't want to pick your brain on him because round three strategy has been a tough one for a lot of people. Two running backs that we've seen sort of leapfrog Kairn, O'Marion Hampton, who's been moving up and up and up. A lot of enthusiasm for drafters with Kiron towards that, two, three turn area, early third round. And now Trayvion Henderson has been sort of an ADP. rocket ship for several weeks.

And it doesn't seem like it's going to stop, Adam. There's like, we're going to see occasional Trayvion Henderson second round appearances, I think when we get to these super, super late drafts. You're shaking your head on that one. Let's start out with Henderson. Because I think that the narrative with Hampton is sort of an easier one to explain. But Henderson, when you get to this overinflated sort of ADP, like where is it stop where he becomes more of a risk than a value to drafters?

God. I mean, we're at 38 overall on Trayvion, Henters. And I'm, I'm like, I feel okay about that. Then I see people taking him at like 30 and like 31. And so if people are going to take him at 30 and 31, I'm just not going to have Trayvion Henderson. And I hate that because I think he's an awesome prospect. And I do want to bet on the Patriots making a big leap.

It's just to me, like I was getting Trayvon Henderson in the 60s and the 50s like a month ago. I'm not even, not even that long ago, like four weeks ago, 50s and 60s on Trayvion Henderson. So maybe it's just some anchoring bias. for me where I can't click him at 30 something after I was clicking him at 50 and 60 because nothing's changed. The only thing that has changed is he went out and played well in the preseason games and looked like he was shot out of a cannon.

I get that. It's just hard for me to get it up into the like 30th, 29, 31 when nothing's changed except for looking good in the preseason. And now how about Omari and Hampton? Hampton, this is one where it's sort of an easy narrative. It's a first round running back, not a second round one. Hampton checked off all sorts of boxes athletically, unbelievably good size, speed combination,

unbelievable college production, back-to-back 1,500-yard seasons at UNC. And we've had a really nice little narrative here with Belkow running backs under Jim Harbaugh. We talked about Blake Corm at Michigan, go back to the Frank Gour days at San Francisco, and the run-heavy nature of a Greg Roman Harbaugh combination. Where are you out on Hampton?

your enthusiasm level. Yeah. I thought he was a very, very good pick around pick 30 when Najee Harris's future was in doubt. There were a lot of rumors out there that like Najee lost his eye. Now she's never going to be able to see again. Now he's back off the NFI list already and in pads at practice. So I still think the base case on Amaran Hampton is fine. I'm okay to click him there around pick 30.

Now, I do think the sealing outcome has been capped on Amarion Hampton now, though. Like at one point I was like, man, this guy could get 300 touches this year. Like, no problem. And now that Naji's back, it's just hard for me to see that as cleanly. So it's just the third round is so bad that even though the ceiling I think is capped a bit now on Ameri Hampton, I'm still okay to click him there if I don't already have two running backs. Yeah, for me, I understand the tendency for Roman to want to use a second back. I understand Najee Harris historically, but I do think that these weeks that Hampton's been there on the field has a chance to really solidify things.

And we factor in that this is Najee Harris's first season on the team. So he's sort of playing from behind. I think a lot of it's going to come down to how good Omari and Hampton is in that early portion of the year. can Hampton really cement himself as like a true war course alpha? So I still think that he's a fine pick in round three, but I understand sort of the nausea Harris trepidation. I certainly thought we were heading towards maybe Harris not playing the entire year, something wild like that.

We're going to talk about what you just mentioned, though, the ideal strategy in round three and is taking Lamar Jackson, the highest upside and the safest pick the drafters can make in late drafts. Yeah. So I think half PPR, like no-brainer to me to take Lamar or Allen in round three. I prefer Lamar for the better playoff schedule, but I think they're really close. In full PPR, you can make cases to not take elite quarterback there because some of the

wide receivers like JSN, I think it propped up a little bit better in full PPR. But in half PPR, I just, it gets me the third round. I'm like, ah, what, just give me the safety. And it's not even safety. Like it is almost impossible for Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts to not have elite fantasy seasons because they are so good at both running and throwing. So not only do they have these outrageous ceilings, but it's also so predictable year over year. These guys will be, barring injury will be in the top five among quarterbacks this year. And so I think I'm good enough to beat people later in the draft.

I don't have to get any fancy play syndrome. Give me the best quarterback. He's going to score 20 plus points every week. And I'm just going to win there. And I'm going to beat you later in other spot instead of taking a risk in round three. I think that's a totally fine way to play in round three. Yeah. It's almost like the situation is completely flipped where in seasons past,

you would see the person who drafted quarterback first. It was sometimes looked at as like a fish move where, oh, this guy's giving me opportunity to draft all these guys. I'm going to find that same. sort of level of production two rounds later. But you're right. We are not letting anyone with that sort of baked in ceiling at the quarterback position slip. And a lot of times, guys with even like a hint of rushing upside get sort of pushed up.

I think that it's been a sharp move for drafters to attack QB early. And you do have Lamar ahead of those guys. Is it like a clear tier for you with Jaden and Allen? or is it I like Lamar better than these guys because X, Y, Z? Yeah, we have Alan and Lamar back to back. And then we do have a few skies between Jaden and to the Jaden Hertz tier. But it's super close. It would not shock me at all if Jaden finished the year as the number one fantasy quarterback.

Like would not shock me whatsoever. So I would consider Jaden in that group. Hertz, I think, is like a hair behind just because if the Eagles defense and run game is as dominant again as it was last year. Then you get the cap ceiling on Hertz because he can't throw for as much as these other guys. These other guys can throw for 30, 40 touchdowns. That's not going to happen with Hertz unless they don't run the ball and they don't play defense as well as they could.

So I think it's real close between Allen and Jackson, Jaden, just a hair below and then Hertz just a hair below that. One quarterback that we haven't discussed that sort of exists in his own little mini-tier or sometimes gets next to Hertz is Joe Burrow. We talked about rushing upside, but like just kind of continuing the Chase Brown discussion, the Bengals are going to be in unbelievable game scripts. Joe Burrow led the NFL in all passing categories last year, has these unbelievable weapons around him.

Could this be a case where Burrow could be in store for a 2013 Peyton Manning like 50 touchdown passes and he's still an edge pick or are you searching for those top four and maybe skipping over Burrow? Based on his current. ADP, I have zero Joe Burrow. Like outside of like some of the Chase Higgins doubles in bestball, I have not taken Joe Burrow at all. I see an ADP in home leagues of 38 overall on Joe Burrow, which to me is absolutely insane for him to go near the rushing quarterbacks. If he's going to compete with Jaden and Lamar and Josh and Hertz just from like a projection standpoint, Burrow almost has to throw for 40 touchdowns, almost has to throw for almost five.

thousand yards. There's just like no way to make up all those rushing points. And so yeah, I think he's incredible. I think there's a reasonable chance he throws again for 4,500 yards, 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. I just, it's not a bet that I want to make. So yeah, I have very little Joe Burr. And then the last quarterback I'll ask you about is Patrick Mahomes. We just had some Rashi Rice's clarity, which I think really helps us in fantasy. Rashi Rice will serve a six game suspension, but it's going to be front loaded, not some like air of mystery. Mahomes, the vibe seem to be pretty good right now. Xavier Worthy heading into year two, sort of a internally, is there going to be a little bit of self-scouting after that Super Bowl

disaster? And Mahomes is the cheapest he's been ADP-wise since that incredible year two MVP breakout performance. Where are you out on Mahomes mixing him into some of your builds? Yeah, I think if you had a candidate that could spike their touchdown rate. And all these quarterbacks, you know, who are not rushers, and Mahomes an okay rusher, but not like pure rushers. It always comes down to their passing touchdown rate. And so, you know, it spikes year over year. You saw it with Jared Gough. You saw it, guys like C.J. Stroud go off on their touchdown rate as a rookie and then crash back to earth. This stuff happens all the time. If there was a quarterback, I could say whose touchdown

rate is likeliest to spike this year. To me, it's Mahomes. Now, he needs rice worthy and Marquis Brown all out there to truly hit ceiling outcomes. I hope Marquis Brown can stay healthy. He has not shown that in a long time. Rishi Rice, I think is going to be very good when he gets back. And I like Worthy a lot too. So I like Mahomes. I take him when I have Worthy, I take him in round eight or nine. It's just the problem is in Homeless. I don't know what ADP you're seeing, but like in homings I'm seeing like around pick 60 on Mahomes. And I still think that I'm hammering wide receiver or through there and worrying about quarterback later in like a home league type set type setup. Yeah.

So for Mahomes, I think ADP, like you said, he's probably, it's one of these things where he's probably going to go higher in home leagues than some of these higher stakes leagues, where Mahomes sort of exists in this, his own little QB6 tier. And I'll say that it's draft to draft at him where some drafts you get in and he gets like sucked into the gravitational pull of like the Joe Burrow, Jalen Hertz. and in some drafts he falls and falls and falls. So like you'll see him in the sixth round of FPC main events. You'll also see him fall to like the ninth round occasionally.

So you never really know where he's going to go. We're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about a couple of rookie pass catchers who are flying up in ADP. What's up? I'm John Hansen. Best Ball is back and it's only at draft Kings. And there's 15 million reasons to be excited.

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What's a week look like for you at ETR? Yeah, so for anyone focused on season long, we'll be having three shows a week on our YouTube, assuming you guys are watching this on YouTube or the podcast, you can just search, establish the run. On YouTube, it's totally free. Search Establish the Run on iTunes or wherever you listen to podcast, totally free there as well.

So if you want to see what we're up to during this, season. You can certainly check that out. We'll have three free shows a week. And then if you are interested in playing DFS, which to me is my favorite form of fantasy, and I think personally, the best form of fantasy. I know not everyone agrees, but we will have DFS covered wall to wall for you as part of the in-season product as well, if you guys want to check that out. You have a couple of receipts DFS-wise, Adam. You've won a couple of big ones there. Yeah. Well, share with everybody your DFS prowess. Well, I can't move my camera because I'm not that tech lorded, but I won $250,000 in a

Fandul tournament with a Burrow double a couple years ago. And so on my wall here, I can't see. We'll take your word for it. However, it's, I got this guy to make a framed burrow jersey with like the team that I had and the standings. It's pretty cool. So if you ever have a big DFS score, highly recommend, get the jersey of your favorite player on there framed. And, and yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, just, just tweet out Adam. He'll lay it out. Maybe, maybe I'll take a picture of it for you. Let's talk about some of these rookie pass catchers. And this has sort of been a cheat code for us the last few years, drafting rookie wide receivers. Four out of the last five years,

we've seen a rookie wide receiver, at least one, finished as a top six score in PPR at the wide receiver position. Last year, of course, we had two of them with BTJ and Malik neighbors. Tederoa McMillan is steaming up and up and up. The Adam Thielen trade sort of cemented it for some people. It's just another hurdle out of his way where Bryce Young's preferred number one target for for the first two seasons of his career is now off the team. But you have to pay a price now for McMillan. McMillan's going inside a round four pretty much every FFPC main event. It's starting to see him go inside around three in an NFFC prime times. He's steamed up on underdog as well. I'm in on McMillan. I think that he's going to have a huge season. Where are you at on him? Yeah. I mean, we were

already high on McMillan and then after the Thielen thing in the projection side, it's just hard to control, you know, unless you want to start giving Leggett and Coker and Jutavian Sanders, a ton of targets, because we don't have Chuba for a ton of targets at all. We have RICO for some, but, you know, and we don't even have Bryce Young for that great efficiency. I actually think we could be light on Bryce Young efficiency if you believe what he did down the stretch last year is the new Bryce Young and not what we saw in the first half of last year. So we're at wide receiver 18 on McMillan right now. But honestly, like, when I'm on the clock and it's like Marvin Harrison or McMillan,

I take McMillan. And if I'm on the clock and it's even like Garrett Wilson or McMillan, I take McMillan a lot there too. And so I think people are just desperate for something exciting in round three that they want to click. And I'm in that boat too. And I think McMillan is a fine click in that like middle to end of round three right now. Yeah.

And I think around wide receiver 18, that's. close to what we have him as well. That's probably like the safe projection for him. It just feels like one of these players that could blow things open and really, really fly through all sorts of projections because like if you start looking at the offense, you mentioned Hubbard, you mention him not really being a past catching option. There's a lot of youth around McMillan at not only at wide receiver, but also at tight end.

A lot of these projections where it's like 135. targets for McMillan. I mean, he might end up being 165 targets if it all goes well. So I'm with you. I'm him over Marvin Harrison Jr. I think you take him over a lot of those sort of older wide receivers. I'm him ahead of Devante Adams, hit ahead of Tyree Kill for sure. So I'm with you on McMillan. And I think that once in a while steaming him up a little bit higher than ADP also can help sort of swing things in your direction like sort of from a game theory draft wise. Just go get your guy when it comes down to it in that really like dangerous zone you mentioned in round three. Curious like one other player that we have really seen fly up.

And this is specifically kind of an FFPC question, but I guess it applies to all leagues. Tyler Warren, we started to see Tyler Warren steaming up inside of round five occasionally in FFPC main events. He's really solidified himself right around the tight end six in ADP. I'm into it. Are you into it? This has also been a kind of an edge for drafters the last two years. Of course, it's a much smaller sample size than wide receiver, but two massive hits with Brock Bowers, Sam Laporta. Not saying Tyler Warren has a tight end one overall type upside, but I do think him leading Indianapolis in targets is in the range of outcomes and he could have a very strong season. I mean, I went to Penn State. I don't have time to watch a lot of college football, but I try to watch the Penn State games.

he was unguarded. Like he was like the whole offense for one of the best teams in the country playing against some of the best teams in the country. And so I always thought that he was going to be like a guy that would earn a lot of targets at the NFL level. The decision to go with Daniel Jones was so massive for him. Daniel Jones has no interest in throwing the ball deep down the field. And obviously Tyler Warren is going to work a lot in the short and medium areas.

My only concern with this price. And I was, you know, like I was like, man, we need. need to get Tyler Warren higher when he's getting more. We have him like as high as like math can go. And we're still not going to get there because I've seen him go in like some of this like DK bestball stuff. He's starting to go in like early 70s, like late 60s. And that's not tight end premium. That's just like straight up PPR. And we're not going to get there on projection there. But man. And I think part of it is we like downs and we like Pittman also. And you can't like all three of these guys, right? It's the freaking Colts. You know, it's Daniel Jones. You can't like all three. And we think that,

that Josh Downs and Pittman are pretty good target earners also. And we really like Jonathan Taylor a lot. So you can't have it all on the Colts, you know what I mean? So you're not going to be able to get there from a math perspective. If you want to sit here and tell me that Tyler Warren is going to completely ice downs and Pittman and be the featured player in this offense, I'm not going to argue with you. It's just, I think that that's definitely possible. I don't know that that's the likeliest outcome, I guess I would say.

Yeah, it's an interesting one. And I like Josh Downs a lot. and certainly Michael Pittman was playing injured last year. He's got an upside case. Both those wide receivers are actually very well priced to deliver ADP wins. I still think you want to mix in Warren even though he's flying up. I'll give you a head-to-head ADP decision. T.J. Hawkinson or Tyler Warren.

Yeah, I've been going Warren. Maybe I'm biased for Penn State. I'm curious, I bet we have them really close in rank right now. But these days, it's not even close in actual drafts. People are taking Warren ahead of Hawkinson easily. Yeah, we have Warren like a hair behind Hockinson right now. But man, I mean, I would probably take Warren if I was on the clock. Warren or Kelsey?

Oh, Warren easy, right? Yeah, easy. And then how much of an edge is Warren versus the two tight ends that are projected to probably be top two targets on their team that goes slightly behind him, like a David and Joku and Evan Engram versus a Warren? I do not like Evan Ingram. I have not taken him very much at all this year. I think this whole Joker thing, I'm so sick of it. Like, Evan Ingram's our Joker.

We have to give him a million. That's not how it's going to play out. You know, Evan Ingram is not good enough to be like Alvin Camara or Jimmy Graham. Evan Ingram is a guy who catches it short and that's it. You know, and he needs a lot of volume in Sean Payton type stuff. If you're not one of the featured players, again, I don't think he's good enough to be one of the future players. It's going to be a huge rotation. I could see after week one people being like, oh my God, Evan Ingram only played 58% of the snaps.

What the hell happened? And it's not what happened. That's just like his skill set is not in every down player. He needs a lot of volume. So I do not take Evan Ingram at all. Injoku, I love Injoku. I just think he's like a really good player and a crazy athlete. If he told me Flacco was going to start all year, I'd be more into Injoku.

I'm a little worried that once Flacco leaves, which I, you know, we're projecting at least three quarterbacks to start games for the Browns this year. It's going to be harder for Injoku. Plus you have the Harold Fanon's team, which I think matters. So I'm okay with Injoku, pretty out on Ingram. And I do take Tyler Warren pretty significantly ahead of Injoku. Picking your brain on one more rookie wide receiver, we've had some positivity with Chris Godwin news this week.

Ameca Egbuka has just flown upboards. Maybe the Godwin news is going to give you a little bit of a correction. and sort of a better entry point price in these final drafts. What's your enthusiasm level for Egbuka? I'm very excited about him this season. I think he could have a very strong year. And I think that the target competition narrative might be a little bit overblown. He might just be an awesome player.

Yeah, I thought it was overblown for the beginning. Now that was when Igbuka was going in like the 80s and the 90s. Now clearly people are buying in that he is a candidate to lead the bucks in targets this year. I agree. he is a target. I think, like, Godwin's injury, and I'm no doctor, but to expect that he comes back from like a literal four, like the injury had four severe injuries within one injury,

to think he's going to come back and immediately be what he was before, that's tough for me to buy. I also on Mike Evans, like, I know he was hurt for a little bit, but they had like scratch and claw to get him to a thousand yards last year. he's 32 now. So there's a lot of ways that Egbuka can pay off even at this elevated ADP. So I still take Egbuka at this kind of steamed up price here. Yeah, it's the oldest pair of wide receivers, starting wide receivers if there was no,

no Egbuka there. Godwin and Evans was always sort of a, these guys are kind of playing on borrowed time narrative. And the vibes with Igbuka have just been fantastic. We saw it last year where the Tampa Bay media, media, the beat reporters, the coaches, the players. Everybody was sort of in line that Bucky Irving was going to be a thing. It's like that on steroids with Egbuka, plus the first round draft capital.

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But the vibes are special there. The lack of a running game in Dallas, everything seems to be lining up where George Pickens could be this year's T. Higgins. I mean, if he's not, I might need alone, Theo, because, yeah, I am absolutely up to my neck in George Pickens. And a lot of it was like round five. Now we're starting to go round four. I still take him there, which, you know, from math perspective,

like we don't necessarily have it like that. but I think if he can keep his head on straight. And the reason I think he actually can keep his head on straight, and I, you know, after the Deonté Johnson Tobacco, I'm hesitant to even say this. But if he can just keep his head on straight for one year, he's going to get like $100 million, maybe more. Yeah, George Pickens.

Like, just keep your head on straight, play well for one year. I don't think Dallas can be able to run the ball very well. I don't think they'll be able to defend very well. You're going to get a ton of volume from Dak Prescott, who has 4,500 yards seasons well within his range of out. outcomes. And also you get all like the tape bro stuff. CD Lamb attracts coverage underneath and George Pickens is open deeper down the field. Like it's hard for me to see it not playing out well for George Pickens. But you know, it's still George Pickens. And we've seen him lose his mind

before. I'm just hopeful like away from this Steelers quarterback mess and kind of real rugged mentality is a more like fun, wild shootout mentality. And he'll be able to excel there. in Dallas. I think it makes a difference. Yeah, I mean, everything you hear from the player speak where it's C.D. Lamb just talks about them like they're like best friends at this point. Another, like maybe a best friend's narrative, locker room narrative for you, Adam. And you also get the, I mean, it's, I mean, what a quarterback upgrade. I mean, based on what some of the horrible situations that Pickens had to play with in Pittsburgh and being the number one target in such a low volume pass attack versus being the number

to target on a team that could conceivably lead the league in past attempts. I'm all for it. And with that target, with that contract, like, he could end up getting north of what Nico Collins and Jalen Waddle got. Yeah. I think everything's sort of lining up for him. He'll also be a very young free agent where teams could be looking to sign him as their wide receiver won as like a 25 year old.

So things are really, really lining up for him. Just a quick head-to-head ADP choices for you with George. Pickens, George Pickens versus Cortland Sutton. George Pickens. The one thing about Sutton, and I forget where I heard this, I wanted to give credit, but Sutton like doesn't benefit as much from injuries around him, whereas Pickens, Jameson Williams, all those guys that go in that range, if Aman Ra or Ced or Cedley Lamb got hurt, I think it'd be pretty big for Pickens or Jameson.

So, you know, I think the contingent value easily pushes Pickens and Jameson above Sutton for me. Yeah, I'm with you on on that. that one, certainly the upside case. What about Terry McLaren versus Pickens? Tough one. I'm sure I don't, I'm sure we have McLaren ahead. Yeah, we have McLaurin 20 and Pickens wide receiver 24. When I'm on the clock, I prefer Pickens, personally, but I think McClurens probably a little bit safer. I think that like the true 90th percentile outcomes, though, favorite pickings for me.

It would depend what kind of team I had. But yeah, I think my gut is pickens there. And then the final one, DJ Moore versus George Pickens. Yeah, I thought that the Bears taking burden and Loveland said enough to me about what the new regime thinks of DJ Moore to not be that excited about him. I do think, though, on DJ Moore, given all their running back woes and running back injuries, he could get like five or six carries in week one. And that's worth something, especially around the goal line, you know, ask,

as Debo Samuel that. So I would note that. But yeah, we actually do have DJ Moore and Pickens like back to back, almost I prefer Pickens. The DJ Moore being used at the running back position, or at least on some manufactured touches, carries. If we go back to like the Cam Newton, Carolina days, that was more. early on in his career was actually very, very good at that, had a ton of rushing production. So that would sort of be like a cool Ben Johnson wrinkle.

I would be all for that one. It would be very, very interesting one, sort of a little bit of a knock to the D'Andre Swift drafters, but everybody else would be excited about that one. Let's talk about a couple of wide receivers that are clear wide receiver two's on their team, but the market is dropping them considerably. Darno Mooney was really good last year. Had a really, really strong first year in Atlanta. Zach Robinson back.

Michael Panics, there's some strong vibes there. Drake London has been a player that I've been all over this offseason. And he's going in early round two for a reason. Got some positive vibes on Kyle Pitts and Bijan Robinson is Bejohn Robinson. But Mooney, now we find out he's back on the field. Looks like he's going to be ready for week one. How are you viewing Mooney as he's sort of a must draft at his. current ADP. I mean, I never thought the shoulder injury was overly serious, but his ADP dropped by

40, 40 spots. I mean, they were saying, yeah, he's got a sprain. He's going to miss most of camp, but he'll be back. And these AC, and they never detailed it, but I assume it's one of these AC joint sprains where, you know, you got to play through it. You can aggravate it. So I get that there's some risk there. I think Darnell Mooney is a good player who was really struggled with quarterback play throughout his career. He has never had a good quarterback. I'm not saying Michael Pennings is definitely going to be that. that. But there's some outcomes where Michael Pennock throws for an insane amount of yards this season. And also with Atlanta, Darnal Mooney, if he's healthy, will be out there for 100% of the routes.

Like they are the entire NFL in three wide receiver sets last season. And they do not like rotate wide receivers at all. So Darnal Mooney, you're going to get 100% of the routes out there getting to play the bucks, getting to play the Panthers, getting to play the Saints twice each, getting to play in domes. Like I don't, it's hard for me to see that one like totally failing. where he goes, which I've been getting him during his injury at like $130 overall. Yeah, I'm with you. The Mooney doesn't seem like one that's going to steam up in this final week. And if he's just 90% of what he was last year,

it doesn't even have to fully hit that early season production. He's going to be a big hit of where he's going, getting drafted, especially in best ball. Mooney can end up being a real big player to pay off. And in managed, Mooney had plenty of weeks last year where you were sticking them in the wide receiver three, sticking him in the flex. his production and his usage when Kirk Cousins was on the field was pretty close to London. London, of course, had a really strong second half of the season.

So like your take on Mooney, one player that you're sort of in line with Graham Barfield, Ryan Heath, there's a bunch of people of fantasy points sort of also on the Rashid Shaheed train. Talk about Shaheed, the potential value and the edge of taking him. Is it a versus Alave type argument, Adam, where Alave goes around, let's call it round seven in most formats now. Shaheed just so much lower. I think they're both good plays where they go, honestly. And it's tough.

You know, one of the thoughts I had going into this whole offseason was like, NFL's been wrong about quarterbacks plenty of times. NFL did not like Bo Nix. I mean, I could, you know, NFL did not like Josh Allen. I'm sorry. People in the space did not like Josh Allen, Bonix, a ton of people, right? I was thinking maybe there's a chance

that everybody's wrong on Tyler Shuck. I could not go on the internet without people saying bad, something bad about Tyler Shuck. Now that he's lost the camp battle to Spencer freaking Rattler, I'm like, oh no, this is not ideal. So I think there's some cap on the ceiling case

for these guys because the quarterback play, I thought maybe I had a chance to improve. If you can't beat out Spencer Rattler, now I'm skeptical that the quarterback play is actually going to improve. So I've cooled a little bit on a lave where he goes and i think mooney is probably mooney and shehid to me are like so cheap that no matter what happens with the quarterback play there's just like they're gonna smash you know and so

yeah yeah it's it's really a complete mess in new orleans but they still do have a strong offensive line they put a lot of draft capital into that it'll be interesting to see because we we like kellen more i think he's a smart offensive mind can he churn out just a little where New Orleans, all they have to do is not be one of the like bottom three offenses in the league and a bunch of guys could pay off at ADP. So with you on that one with Shahid, a lot of people listen to this and watching it are participating in some preseason waiver wire runs. And one of the hottest names for early drafters to be adding is Ali Gordon. We've seen Gordon steam up to the 10th round in multiple FFPC main events, really starting to get drafted along. side these, you know, the upside handcuffs.

Gordon's ADP rise reminds me a little bit of Jordan Mason's at this time last summer, where it's sort of a, I'm fading CMC. I'm going to therefore draft Ollie Gordon before anyone in my league. How enthusiastic are you about Gordon if he does get the opportunity? How aggressive would you be in like a preseason managed league to get him on your roster? Yeah, I mean, these are the kind of guys that I actually want to have been managed on my bench, right because if it doesn't go well, A Chan's calf is fine.

They use A Chan as an 80% plus back. All right, you know, I can hold Ollie Gordon if I want, but I can dump him. And I think that's like, you know, the managed way to play it. And that's why he's exciting. Now, Jalen Wright's going to be out a month. Alexander Madison is out for the season.

H.N. is 188 pounds and already has a calf injury. I, like I said, I think it's worth betting on the H& ceiling, but I understand the downside risk also there. So yeah, I think we've moved up a ton on Ollie Gordon just started with Alexander Madison Madison injury, then with the Jalen Wright injury, then with all the Ollie Gordon hype. And, you know, that 2023 season for Oklahoma State was just

absolutely insane. He, I think he ran 4-6-1, which turned some people off to Ali Gordon. But for someone that's kind of bigish in 4-6-1, I actually think he can catch the ball. So I like it. And I don't mind being aggressive in that range of the draft, that backup running back, because really that's where like some huge hits. can come in and manage leagues. Yeah, if we take away the 2024 season and we simply look at 2023, he had over 2,000 yards from scrimmage. And a lot of those Devy guys, they had him like as the back right behind Ashton Genty.

So Gordon could end up being a real steal for Miami if he does return to that level. And you mentioned Chuba Hubbard before. It's been sort of the M.O. with these Oklahoma State running backs to fall in the NFL draft. And maybe he could have a Chuba Hubbard. like trajectory. It would take something bad for Achan for him to really, really hit. But I think it's worth hedging, especially with this cap injury and the fact that it doesn't

have to be a season long for Achan. If it was Olly Gordon for four games, like you said, he's immediately in your lineup. He's a player that people would be having to rank as a top 15 back for the week. So he's got a lot of outs this year to return value, even at this inflated ADP. One more player that's steamed up in ADP, Zach Charbonnet. You're starting to see Zach Charbonnet being like the player that some really sharp money is coming in on late. I've seen Charbonnet go inside around six, is living inside around seven, where it's sort of a little bit of a hedge against Kenneth Walker,

but also Charbonnet is just really good at football. Had three top eight scoring weeks last year at the running back position, including an RB one overall weekly finish. New coaching staff there with Clint Kubiak taking over. as offensive coordinator and Kenneth Walker always is dealing with some injuries. Where are you at on Charbonnet, where you have to click the button now a few rounds earlier than about a month ago. Yeah.

We were pretty higher than market on Charbonnet for much of the summer. And now we're like behind market on Charbonnet. We have not put many docs on Kenneth Walker. Maybe we should. It's just like he's 24 years old and he's already getting maintenance days. Now, that's scary, you know, but. they're also just maintenance days. And they seem like he's going to be totally fine for week one here.

If Kenneth Walker is out there, I think it's not even close. He's the better, more explosive running back, you know? And like, I think that the Seahawks are going to see it that way. Also, so we have, Zach Sharbonate is more of a little bit of a hair. Like, I think people are assuming too much standalone value for Sharbonnet, I guess is what I'm getting at. And he's going to need the Kenneth Walker injury to really hit if you're taking him in round six and round seven. Yeah, for me, it's, I'm still fine taking Kenneth Walker, because like you said, he's just awesome. And in round four, if he misses a couple weeks, I can sort of sustain it.

It's not like I'm having to take him inside a round two. Walker, I think if he's healthy, is going to give us 15, 16, maybe more points per game. But I do think Charbonnet, there's an argument taking him there where he might be like an 11 point per game, 10 point per game guy. in Weeks Walker is there. And if Walker misses time, like a considerable amount of time, Charbonnet could be a league winner. So I understand sort of paying up for that. And the Clint Kubiak offense, I think,

is going to be really, really running back friendly with the use of the fullback. And the sample size we saw for him in New Orleans last year was there. So I'm really interested in both of those players at ADP. I don't think there's necessarily a wrong answer for which Seattle back you should be taking. You should be taking either of them in your late drafts. Adam, each and every guest who's come on fantasy football daily this offseason, as well as school of Scott and Dynasty Life, I've been asking them to give me one bold prediction for the 2025 fantasy football season.

Lay it on us. Drop one, drop a couple, however you're feeling. Yeah. Well, I don't know how hot this is because I feel like other people have said it, but I'll go with Christian McCaffrey finishes as fantasy's number one player this season. we have like the most conservative inputs possible on Christian McCaffrey in terms of volume, efficiency, touchdown rate, like everything. We've gone as conservatives, we can possibly go based on modeling and his historical stuff. And he's still six overall for us, you know? And so if we were at just like normal inputs on Christian McCaffrey, he would be blowing away the field in terms of where he should go.

And then you also get on top of it, the IUC injury, the Joanne Jennings situation. I mean, all the running backs behind, all the running backs behind, Chris McCaffrey are getting banged up. Also, I know they added Brian Robinson, but yeah, it's just, it only took one season for people to forget how outrageous CMC is on a per touch basis. Now, I guess I shouldn't say they forgot because he's still going, you know, middle of round one. But, yeah, I think he's a major candidate to be the number one player in fantasy.

Three straight seasons with the 27-year-old finishing as the RB1 overall. maybe we take it up a notch. It gets even older, a 29-year-old RB1 overall finisher, according to Adam Levitan. Adam, let everybody know once again where they can find your work. Yeah, best place to do is just go on Twitter. I know everybody hates Twitter these days. However, if you want the best, finish information fastest, I feel like you have to be on there at Adam Levittan. All one word is the best way to see me and see what's going on. And then, of course, do you establish through on YouTube as well. Yeah, and check out my most recent podcast.

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