Fantasy Football Daily - Fantasy Football 2025: League-Winning Picks in Rounds 5 & 6 (Targets, Fades, & Strategy)

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

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Jim crushes it over at Rotowire. And this is a continuing trend. If you want to hear second round draft strategy, I had a whole show dedicated to it with Faraz Sadiqi of Upper Hand Fantasy. Mike Shope of ADP Chasing and the Deep End podcast join me to discuss rounds three and four. And we're going to continue it today with rounds five and six. And when Jim, when I was setting this show up, I thought about including additional rounds, but rounds five and six are just so important to us as fantasy managers.

There's landmines in these rounds, but there's also potential league winners that are found in these rounds. We don't have to go back that far to find players like this. Jamar Chase's rookie season, he settled into about this range of the draft, ended up having a remarkably good year. it happens time and time again where a player emerges in round five, round six, oftentimes a few of them. And it's just such a chasm between them and other players maybe side by side with them in ADP. So we're going to attempt to unwrap some head-to-head ADP choices.

We're going to attempt to unwrap some of the best values in these rounds and help you crush your fantasy drafts. I think the first player I'm going to ask you about, Jim, and it's a player that's continually risen up and up throughout this office. season. There's a lot of positivity with Jameson Williams. You have a new offensive coordinator in Detroit in John Morton. He has sung the praises of Jameson Williams. Dan Campbell has. There's a lot of like drum beats, tea leaves that are suggesting that Jameson Williams is going to have a better season than he did last year when he averaged over 14 points per game. We were talking about him as sort of a sixth round pick. Maybe if we would have done this show six weeks ago, even a month ago,

now you're starting to see him occasionally creep into the fourth, and he's living in the middle of the fifth round in leagues like the FFPC. What are your thoughts on Jameson? Are you equally optimistic about him having a really big breakthrough year? Knowing that we've done many shows together, you know I'm not going to be in line with this one. And here's my deal, and you know this. I do know numbers like everybody else, My whole thing is NFL context.

The Lions passing attack terrifies me. Aside from St. Brown this year, terrifies me. First of all, you've got John Morton talking about making changes. Well, what changes you're going to make? Ben Johnson had a perfect offense and you're going to come in and change things. Oh, that's going to go really well. Not everybody who's lying up to hire John Morton. The other thing is this, the interior offensive line.

Complete turnover. Frank Ragnow was like Superman at center, calling plays. Now, golf can call plays too. but the protection, he's gone, retired. They're turning over their guard positions. So Jared Goff is a flawed quarterback. But we saw that Ben Johnson got every ounce out of Jared Goff. When teams pressured him, he still looked like Jared Goff,

but Ben Johnson was able to work around that a lot. John Morton's not working around that. First of all, his interior line is going to be a problem. Second of all, he's already talking about throwing the ball deep to Jameson Williams. Well, guess who's a terrible deep ball passer? It's Jared Goff. And if he's going to be under interior pressure, he's going to be running for his life, throwing the ball in the dirt. I have no confidence.

But here's the thing. What is the lion's blueprint this year, Theo, defensively? Well, they have some injuries up front still. That's the run game. Big deal. Their past defense is going to be amazing. Terry and Arnold made a huge step up as a rookie. Aidan Hutchinson's back.

My whole point is this. When that defense cooked last year through week seven, they weren't passing the ball. Golf was 25 times a game or less. And we saw weeks three through seven, Jameson Williams average two and a half targets per game. That's it. They want to run the ball. They have no interest. And Dan Campbell's going to make sure that this team goes to script.

They're running the ball. Yeah. So I would push back a little bit. I would say that when it comes to the commitment to Jameson Williams, he's just turned 24 years old. And Jim, he basically missed two years of the NFL. Like he had six games played as a rookie, dealt with the injury. dealt with suspension in 2023 was sort of a non-factor. Last year was almost a de facto rookie year at 23 years old for him.

And I think when you look at Jameson Williams, only 91 targets last year, if they have a commitment to him and they're going to take shots, you know, again, Jared Goff has his limitations. But I do think they're committed to getting James and Williams the ball more often and getting him more situations. And I would say that if the offense does change, just a little bit of less reliance on the slot position and a little bit more getting Williams the ball on the outside

I think could be in the wheelhouse. So I think we're budding heads on this one. He also has the upside where they're getting him those manufactured rush attempts where like last year there was about 10 of them. Maybe that goes up a little bit as well. I just think we're looking at a scenario where he's so explosive and he was able to score that sort of that sort of fantasy number on only 91 target. What if there's a commitment to get him up to 115 targets with maybe a few more rush attempts?

I just think that he's got a lot of outs to return value in this range of the draft. Your thoughts on that? Just mark this down. Goff is not thrown more than 25 times a game. It's not going to happen. If their defense doesn't have 18 injuries like last year, they are not throwing the football. John Morton could talk all day long. He can shoot his mouth off.

Dan Campbell's a CEO. He's about winning football games. It's going to be defense and running. the football. And I know the interior line's not good for Montgomery, but Jemir Gibbs is going to be fine. I get what you're saying. In theory, it all sounds beautiful. In practicality, Jared Gough got run out by Sean McVeigh, who is the genius of all geniuses because he couldn't stretch the field. I get it. They want to get Williams involved, practically. My opinion, their approach to offense, that's not even in the cards. That's just my take. This one, we will, we will butt heads on.

we will move on and we will revisit this. Let's say like week six. You know, I'll give you week eight because, you know, Jameson could have a, as soon as Jameson has a smash week, then I'm going to have you on the show and then we'll talk about it. That's the way we'll do it. So you mentioned Jared Goff. We talk about the quarterback position. And I think a huge situation that's sort of playing out in drafts is elite quarterbacks this year.

And I've talked about these players on the previous two shows. But Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels are in their own little mini tier where usually it's Josh Allen or Lamar goes off the board as the QB1. And then you see another drafter take the other one as the QB2. And Jaden Daniels is essentially right there with those guys. There might be a five or six person gap between QB1 and QB3. Then there's been another tier that's developed where it's Jailen. Hurts and Joe Burrow. It's almost opposite extremes of the way they get there, but two really elite scoring

quarterbacks. Jalen Hertz, of course, is one of the most efficient running quarterbacks we've ever seen. One of the most efficient runners that we've ever seen in NFL history from the one yard line. It's an automatic touchdown with Hertz. We also have Philly last year running an obscenely low amount of pass plays. So the argument being if they just take. make 15% more pass attempts this year because of the natural flow of football and variance in the game scripts. Jalen Hertz has room to run as a passer. He's still going to be efficient as a runner.

Then you got Joe Burrow. And it feels to me like Joe Burrow sometime in the near future is going to have a Peyton Manning 2013 50 touchdown season. Now, if we miss on that, we're kicking ourselves in the butt. If he has something go wrong, then we're talking about a 38 touchdown season. And that's still not probably getting them to QB1 overall this year. So when I look at Joe Burrow and Jalen Hertz, it's polar opposites. And for the stacking people out there, the correlation people out there, there's plenty of options. There's AJ Brown, Devontz Smith, T. Higgins, J.M.R. Chase.

So they're both heavily stacked as well. Where are you out on a head-to-head decision with Joe Burrow versus Jalen Hertz? And there should there be a head-to-head decision or is it such a pronounced winner here for Jim Coventry? This is a really tough one. And look, if I'm going to shop quarterback in this range and I have multiple drafts, I'd probably take a ticket on both for sure. But Joe Burrow, the beauty is he really heated up as the season went on last year, at least three touchdowns in eight of his last nine games.

I think Burrow is actually as great as he's been. I think he's figuring it out more because they put him in shotgun a lot. They let him just read the defense. And he's like a machine at it. And of course, you got Higgins and Chase. And I know they brought a fan today, but I don't think he's in it because I think he's probably better receiver. The Fant one's interesting, though.

Like, I'll just say, just, I agreed. I don't think we're going to be putting Fant in our lineups, but it's just another dude out there where it's like another move tight end, another threat in the red zone. And between Giseki and Fant, they're two like, they're veterans, but they're two upper, upper, upper level athlete tight ends. So I like, I think it's just a, the ecosystem there. It's unbelievable.

I love that they brought him in, the versatility, because they do like to use tight ends frequently, like more than one. So that's a big thing. But Burrow is going to keep chucking the ball. And the defense is going to be bad. No matter how you cut it, they're going to have to score every week. The only, and I'm not predicting the second part to happen, the only concern if they're running defense is really, really bad. And opponents they face realize, you know what?

We could just run and bleed the clock. And not a lot of teams will do that. Those could be weeks where Burrow gets hurt because he could be off the field, but it might not matter. He might be able to score like five, you know, play drives. So it might not even matter. But so I think Burrow is super safe. and I think his ceiling, as you're saying, that Peyton Manning season is in play.

Jalen hurts, it's just interesting because he's still a great rusher, but he's dropped. The last two years, his rushing is down about 100 yards from where it was. It's still in a high level, but it's in the 600s instead of the 700s. The touchdowns are still near 15, so that's great. And like you said, what are they going to do with him passing? Because he dropped like 800 yards last year from where he was at in prior years.

And with Fangio coaching that defense, schedule is way tougher this year, but they have a really good defense. So we'll have to see, I think they're in more shootouts this year. I think you were going that way too. And they're going to be in more shootouts, then I think they're not going to have a choice, but to have Hertz do more. So that's why I said, I like both of these quarterbacks. They both have their own thing going.

I think Burrow is the one who's more likely to have the ceiling because I think there's a great chance that Philly defense could be so good that Hertz could be like last year, which is still fine. but Burrow like every week is going to have to do it, I think. Yeah, I ranked Burrow ahead of Hertz in my top 50 and it was like it felt weird. And I'll still have a ton of exposure to Jalen Hertz. I think it's like, and I do think like just on a side note, I think if you're in a situation where you're in the fifth round of your drafts

and you don't like what's available to you on the clock and you feel like you've maybe lost an edge, if you go into your draft and you're, you know, you have like maybe circled three. guys in the fifth round. And let's say your league, you know, these guys get pulled into round four and your OTC. I think going with a Burrow or a Hertz, you avoid the landmines. You both, you get this potential high scoring outcome. But I'm with you. It's a slight, slight edge to Joe Burrow for me. And Jim, we talk about like Burrow had to deal with T. Higgins missing time last year. He had to deal with the first season without Tyler Boyd, the first season without Joe Mixin. their offense could just be better this year.

Chase Brown, I think, has room to run as a receiver. You know, like, I think that they're, they're just going to be fully trusting Chase Brown as a receiver. I think they got better at backup running back with maybe Tosh Brooks, if they ever need it. And then wide receiver wise, Jermaine Burton was a guy that they, it was just the worst possible rookie season ever off the field.

There was positivity there. So he's probably the wide receiver four. Yoshavus, they like a lot. And he's caught a ton of touchdown. from Borough, just sort of the touchdown guy in the offense. And then we talked about the two tight ends. So he's got so much around him and he's just such a stud. So I'm with you on Borough.

Let's take a quick break. We come back. We're going to talk about tight end premium and we're going to talk about Sam Leporta. Is Leporta an edge pick? Does the Lions passing offense fade apply to the tight end position as well for Jim Coventry? Ontario, the wait is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget Online Casino is live, bringing Vegas-style excitement and a world-class gaming experience right to your fingertips.

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Theo Greminger, Jim Coventry. Jim, before we get started on LaPorta, let me know your thoughts on like what you're writing. What's your big plans in August? You crush it over at Rotowire. Big shout out to our guy, Alan Soslowski. Who knows better X's and O's. You're Alan.

I think you're probably, yeah, Alan's. I don't think. I don't think Alan's an ex and O guy. I don't think he's next. I don't see him as one. Yeah. I don't think that's his. I'm actually,

I'm busting our busting our guys, our guys chops on that one. You're the, the foremost X's and O's guy at Roto Wire 100%. Alan is the man though. Alan's come on the show a million times. Big shout out to you two guys. Anytime you two guys are putting out something on Roto Wire,

I definitely am listening to it. What's your big plans? Like, I know you're doing a lot of video content. What's in August look like for you? Man, I tell you what video content in the face for radio. that's not a good match, but I have to live with my allotted fate. But that said, yeah.

So you catch me on at Jim Coventry NFL and the X. All my video work goes there, my stat of the day, my threads of the day. Those are all going to be set there. My articles are behind the paywall at RotoWire. So if you're interested in that, I can get you 15% off at Rodewire.com of a subscription by using YouTube 15 is your code. But Sirius XM on the weekends, a subbing in during the week. So, but pretty much whenever I'm going to be somewhere, I'll let you know on the X.

for sure highly recommend jim's work and you'll see him here on this channel and i'm sure allans alan's due to come back on this one as well so we'll see both these guys throughout the season at some point let's talk about sam la porta a year ago at this time in tight end premium formats like the fpc laporta was living at like the one two turn if not a few picks before and in formats like nfc formats like underdog he was like a late second round pick uh two three turn type pick so his star has fallen dramatically from last year. You're able to get him inside of the fifth round in tight-end premium formats like the FFPC.

Occasionally you see a structural drafter pull him up to the beginning of the fourth. And then in leagues like the NFFC, he's going currently at 67 overall, which I think is reflective of about where he'll go in most PPR format, somewhere in that 65 to 75 range. that's about where he's going on Underdog as well in the best ball streets. Laporta had the tight end one overall finish as a rookie, had the 120 targets as a rookie. Finish the year very well, Jim. Like a lot of backloaded scoring for him after sort of a nightmareish start.

Where does he stand for you if I'm looking at like a 1.5 premium tight end scoring? I think after tight end three, George Kittle, I really think it's a lot of variables that were not factoring. I think there's a lot of, I'd rather take a quarter, I'd tell you a tight in 10, than take one of these anywhere from tight end four through tight end nine. Last year I was telling everybody, Fade Leporta. And I said what I said earlier about James and Williams, I go, they're going to run the ball, they're going to play defense. And through week seven, their defense was healthy enough. Leporta averaged 2.8 targets through week seven. It was exactly the way I said it would be.

And he was averaging seven PPR per game and he was a bust. And then the defensive injuries caught up with them. And instead of Jared Gough, around 25 times a game, He's drone 40. Now Sam Leporta in a 40 pass attempt for golf. Now he blows up 50 yards a game, 6.0.6 touchdowns per game, 13.2 PPR per game. He was great to rest it away. But as I said with James and Williams, that blueprint was in place. It's going to be back in place this year. So Leporta, that 2.8 targets per game, that's squarely in play again because that was what we saw last year and that's what I see again this year. Yeah, it's a report is a tough one for me because sometimes it's a

bet on talent situation. And it's like I've already seen it before with Leporta throughout his rookie year. And then again, end of last season, anybody who had him in like week 16, 17 in FFPC remembers the contributions he gave you. He's young.

And I think that there is some contingent upside if Amman Ra or if Jameson misses time. Because I don't like with Isaac Tesla as like a potential wide receiver three there, I think he's a little bit more of just a big time athlete downfield threat. at like, you know, cardio type player. Maybe in the future he has room to improve to something more. But I think that's going to be his rookie year role. So I think Leporta's interesting.

I don't know, Jim, it's one of those ones where I kind of like with the quarterbacks where if I feel like it's flat, if I'm in a tight end premium format, I don't mind mixing in a little bit of Leporta. But I do agree with you, the preferred strategy at the tight end position is probably to attack the big three or wait a little bit and sort of avoid him in his own tier. I would say that there's a scenario where when we go down and look at some of these other tight ends, a few spots behind him, that they just end up with so many more targets than him this year, which scares me a little bit.

So I'd say I'm a little bit neutral on Leporta. I haven't drafted a whole lot in redraft, but I'm not like closing the door on it. I just feel like it's one of those things where it could be an overcorrection from last year. We saw what he did as a rookie. And again, the newness of the system with the offensive coordinator, there's a lot of variables there. And hopefully they pass a little more than 25 times a game. And Jim Coventry misses that one by a few.

Let's keep this going with our discussion. Let's get over the wide receiver position. And this is sort of a not in my league bro type discussion because occasionally some of these guys are late fourth rounders. But oftentimes you see these guys living inside of round five. So I'll throw a group of four wide receivers and talk about which one is your favorite to draft in this range. I'd say you could call these guys the four or five turn wide receiver group. Cortland Sutton, who had amazing usage last year.

He was like the wide receiver 15, just signed a big contract extension. DJ Moore, who was the wide receiver six two seasons ago, was right around the wide receiver 14 last season. New system with Ben Johnson. It's sort of a litmus test. Jay Moore going to benefit from it, or is he one that is going to sort of struggle with additional target competition there and a new system? Rashi Rice, who is settled in this range because of the discount of how many games are going to be suspended, and then Ted McMillan, who I am a big fan of in all formats, the rookie

wide receiver for Carolina, who I think is just really talented and has the unknown upside. Of the four names I just said, if you're drafting one. team and you want to attack wide receiver in round five, who would it be? Yeah, it's DJ Moore for me. DJ Moore was a train wreck of a season last year. He was the wide receiver 14. And DJ Moore's been a superstar his entire career. He has had some of the most horrific circumstances around him. His one big year is when he had Justin Fields. Oh my God, Justin Fields, 1360 yards at eight touchdowns for more. He was the wide receiver six. That was just two years ago. DJ Moore commonly,

not last year, but it's 1100 yards and his sleep. no matter who the quarterback is. And I know Romo Dunezay's there, but I already have been hearing from the Bears beat writers. Yeah, O'Don's Day is considered the ex, but that's not bad for DJ Moore. They said they're going to work on just getting the ball in his hands and letting him do what he does best.

He's a running back with the ball in his hands. And he can win. He is so versatile. There's no way that Ben Johnson is coming in and ignoring DJ Moore. O'Donzee's going to be great too. And the Bears are going to have to throw because D'Andre Swift's okay, but it's not a sustaining rushing. attack. This is going to be a pass heavy offense because they have to be. They don't have a game

breaker at running back. And so DJ Moore and Odunz they are going to eat. And it's going to be, it's going to be fun to watch that offensive line upgrades really going to help Caleb Williams. And the camp, real quick, you know, the camp reports that Caleb Williams struggling. Don't worry about it. Dennis Allen is bringing in his defense and he's trying all kinds of crazy stuff, stuff that Caleb Williams is going to learn from. It's all these exotic looks. And Williams hasn't, you know, he obviously struggled with those last year. He's learning fast. And Ben Johnson is figuring out what Caleb can do in certain situations.

He's going to optimize that office. DJ Moore is my guy. I think it's still probably DJ Moore. I want to make the case for Ted McMillan here. And I certainly will draft a lot of Ted McMillan. But DJ Moore was going higher than this. And I think it's the ambiguity of where the targets are going to go in Chicago, the newness of the offense.

A lot of people betting on the younger, wide receivers. I feel like DJ Moore is going to get us off to a very fast start. There's a chance that when we get to mid-season, we see the usage really, really increased for guys like Loveland, guys like Burden when this season, you know, becomes, you know, a little bit more, they get a little more acclimated to the NFL game.

I also think Roma Dunezay last year was just such a lost season for him that, you know, he's going to essentially be in a new role. They were moving him in the slot a lot last year. Like I feel like he'll play a little bit more traditional X like Ben Johnson, talked about. Right. So for me, I think DJ Moore gets us off to the fast start. And I think that matters.

And I think people discount that. But when I'm drafting structurally in this range, usually this four or five turn, this is a starter for me. And this is an important player for me. And I think with DJ Moore, I could get 15 points per game over the first half of the season. And that that matters a lot. And you brought up maybe there's a chance that he just runs with it.

And the numbers are a little bit closer to. what we saw in 2023. I'm with you. Caleb Williams is still a player that I'm willing to draft. I know there's a lot of apprehension here at fantasy points with the way he played as a rookie, but I'm still bullish on him. I think Ben Johnson just is a genius and is going to figure out the best way to utilize this young player.

Let's keep this one going. Brief thoughts on a running back that we don't usually see in round five anymore. He's sort of settled into like, hey, I need a high volume running back at the end of round four. and I'm going to click the button on Chuba Hubbard. The Dave Canales RB1 overall last two seasons has been an unbelievable source of volume and ADP winners. Like we had Rashad White in 2023. We had Chuba Hubbard last year.

Both these guys were amazing hits. Now we're having to take a player inside of round four. Are you in or out on Chuba Hubbard? Do you view him as just a structural pick or do you view him as a guy that, hey, this could be a real value? He is a structural pick, I think. And my one concern is this, as good as he was last year and he was outstanding, 4.0 yards per reception. And I wonder if on passing downs, they're going to bring in either Rico Dowdle or Trevor ETN

because he was not efficient as a receiver. And if they could get a little better than that, and I know pass blocking is part of it. And I understand Hubbard's good at that. And that could factor and keep them on the field. But I think there's a world where they want to ease his touches. I don't think they ever wanted to give him the amount of work they did. And I remember at some point, I can't remember who but reading something along that line. They don't want to give him that level of workload.

And what's the easiest thing to do, spot him in the passing game. And so at that point, his ADP is fine. His ADP is fine where it's at. It's a structural pick because you're going to get a floor. It is going to be a very good floor. But I think if we're looking for upside, I don't think he has last year's upside because I think those snaps will be limited. They had nobody else to put on the field last year. Yeah, you know, and last year he scored a very high efficient amount of touchdowns for a low scoring offense.

There's more mouse to feed this year. Not only like we actually have like a pretty good wide receiver room, Jalen Coker or Xavier Ligette played as rookies last year. Adam Thielen was still at a decent level, especially to end last season. Then you've got Ted McMillan who I'm really high on. Jatavian Sanders has taken a step forward. The offense, it's a second year in the same system for Bryce Young. it could just be a little bit more diverse offense this year, even if the scoring goes up. I think for me, Chuba is probably a purgatory pick in round four.

If he stays healthy, he's not going to hurt you. But I don't think he's the round four back that's going to give you like, you know, early second round type production. So let's take one quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about a not a player going in round five and round six, but a player, Jim's really, really high on heading into the season that you can get right now at the two, three turn. but Jim's willing to reach for.

All right. Welcome back. Fantasy Football Daily, Theo Griminger, Jim Coventry of Rotelwire. So we were in the pros versus Joe's draft, the FFPC. We were in the same league. We were drafting pretty much opposite ends. I was drafting out of the two-hole Jim out of the 12 spot. But I thought it was very notable when I saw Jim draft Josh Jacobs at 13 overall. I believe you went with Derek Henry at 12, right?

Was it Derek Henry or was another back? Yes. So Derek Henry at 12. So Derek Henry at 12 was right in line, especially with a best ball format. And then Jim's obviously at the turn. So a lot of running backs could have been gone by the time you got to 36, 37. Your thoughts on Josh Jacobs and why you took him at 13 overall, this is about, you know, a round higher than he's been going in some drafts.

He's like 210, 209, somewhere in that range in a lot of these FPCs. and on Underdog, occasionally you get him at like that two, three turn. Had an unbelievable year last year, but it's sort of a player that a lot of people are just not really talking about. Your thoughts on why you took Jacobs there and your upside case for him this season. Yeah, so picking at the 12 turn, obviously, your next pick is 36. And so the board's going to be very, very different in terms of running backs and you come back around. It just goes to my rankings at that point. And I have Jacobs is my running back seven.

I have right behind Henry. And so basically the reason I have him there is I don't think there are many safer running backs with ceiling. And we learned Jake was missed a couple games at the end of his last year with the Raiders. And I don't know how much of that was the injury and how much of that was the situation there. And I'm not sure, but he rarely misses time. And the other thing is we saw in Green Bay, they made a commitment to him in a second half of the season. They were basically using him as the engine of the offense, getting in the red zone a lot, leaning on him. the catches are inconsistent.

He'll have a lot of games with four or five. He did it six times. Then he'll have seven games at zero to one catch. I don't like that. But his role in the offense is substantial. His durability is high. And look, I want that running back that's going to be on the field for me.

And I really think I can count on Jacobs. If I take, look, if I think Devon A-chan there, I'm banking on Tua being healthy. Because the six games that A-chan played without Tua, he averaged 9.7 pPR points. I can't have that.

I can't bet on Tua. I don't think he'll ever stay healthy. I'll never bet on that. Jonathan Taylor, love him. I know he goes a little later, too. I can't trust that injury history. Chase Brown goes a little later, too. He's reasonable there.

Bucky Irving, is he going to repeat that season of last year? I don't think so. These are the running backs that are available at that point in the draft. And at that point, if I want one, I want the one that has safe and also has upside. I think that the Marshawn Lloyd being injured again is a real boon for Josh Jacobs, because I think a lot of people are just assuming it's Emmanuel Wilson. And you can chime in on this one.

But I think Chris Brooks versus Emmanuel Wilson is kind of a thing in Green Bay. They like Brooks as well. But bottom line is if you're having a discussion on which running back three, four is going to be the handcuff of Lloyds, then you've got kind of like players that they're not going to lean into. And last year we saw just how reliant they were with Josh Jacobs. I just, I liked seeing your conviction on Jacobs. I would push back. I'm higher on A. Chan than you are.

But I do agree with you. You can make a red flag scenario for a lot of the running backs behind Jacobs. He just, for me, it's like I was betting against the volume being this high, betting against a little bit the touchdown efficiency, and somewhat betting against Green Bay being as run heavy, wanted to be a little bit more balanced this year. But you sure make a really good argument. for Jacobs. Anything else to add on the Green Bay offense or Jacobs take?

No, I do want to hear your thought, though, on the A-chan thing, betting on Tua, because, again, concussions, another hip injury. Do you think that that is enough red flag? Because it was a substantial decrease in production for A-chan. So the rushing yardage, yeah, for sure. And yeah, I agree with you. Like, a lot of our positive Miami takes, and we'll talk about Jell and Waddle in a minute, but a lot of our positive Miami takes, are sort of banked on Tua staying on the field. And right now, like, I think it's a risk that I'd be willing to take because A-chan was so good when Tua was on the field last year.

And, Jim, I think that, you know, having missing time with Tua last year, I think that their game plan for if he's gone this year naturally has to be better as an organization. It was like, it was so bad last year that I think that had to have been a little bit of the emphasis of the offseason. I realized guys like Zach, Wilson doesn't make you have the most confidence, but I do think maybe there's a plan to get by for two weeks or so with Wilson

and at least be a little bit functional for the skill position players if Tua misses time. Tua, by all accounts, is having a good camp and by all accounts looks very, very in shape. The pictures of them, we're still on the skinny Tua. Last offseason, he lost all that weight. He still looks really good. But for me with A-chan, it's just the ceiling case for A-chan versus the other running backs around him is he can catch 100 balls this year. And that with a little,

100 balls. 100 balls. I'm throwing out there. So H.N. Let all running backs and receptions last year. He averaged six receptions a game in games with Tua. And that was the first year that we've seen him in that sort of role. Naturally, I think at 23 years old, he can take an even bigger step in that. And like, I could be wrong on this one. Let's say it's 85, 85 receptions. Yeah. A big goal for him is 1,000 rushing yards. There's been some talk out of the beat reporters there that they might use him on some more designed inside runs this year to reestablish that yards per carry. He was really good at that at Texas A&M. So for me, it's just the upside of

H.N is to me higher than Jacobs. But, you know, again, another one for us to sort of bump heads on in this one. And I think you just being this high on Jacobs should open up our eyes to him a little bit more because he's been a player that there's not so, I don't have too many guests coming on pounding the table saying to draft Josh Jacobs. There's not a, and there's on the flip side, there's also not a lot of guests coming on that Jacobs is like their full fade. It's just he's sort of a their type player for a lot of people. And it seems like you have more conviction. So pay attention when Jim's giving you information like this one.

Let's keep our discussion going for rounds five and round six. Another head-to-head decision, James Connor, who was really good last year, veteran running back, is going side by side in drafts with players like Trayvion Henderson, and R.J. Harvey, pick one running back. Do you go with one of the rookies or do you go with James Connor? I always go James Connor and he misses time, but it's not a lot of time. He misses like three games most years. Last year it was one. He came out of a couple early. I get that. But James Connor is aging really well. And what the beautiful thing with him, he caught 47 passes last year. His quarterback, Kyler Murray figured it out finally through about 23% of his passes to running back. I think the coach is worked with them on that instead of always just chucking everything deep using your running back

as a checkdown and conner's a great receiver but connor's had his two most efficient years in a row now only that great season about four years ago but four point six and five point oh yards per carry the last two years he has gotten more dominant with his touches 85th percentile broken tackle rate he is just going to continue to be the engine of that office and people I understand tray benson's really good and I like him but Connor got signed to a new deal last year, he is literally the heart and soul of the offense. So he is not going to be like a rotational player. He's going to maintain that lead role because he is such an important part of what they do.

Yeah. So for me, James Connor, a lot of this is structural. If I have two running backs and I'm on the clock in like rounds five and round six and I have a chance to add a Trayvion or an RJ Harvey as my RB3. And it's just this guy could put me over the top in the second half of the season, a young running back potentially catching a lot of passes in these high value touch roles. I'll go with it. But if I go through like the first four rounds and I'm in sort of a zero RB build and a lot of my builds have looked like that,

being able to recover with James Connor in round five, it's like you're getting a guy who is going to give you like round three running back production for as long as he can hold up. And it's just a, you always keep in the back of your mind with James Connor that he's a guy that struggles to stay on the field. But again, the last two seasons have been really, really good for him. Efficiency-wise, he's averaged like 15 points per game for now for like three straight years. So for me, like James Connor, I would lean into it if it's like one draft and I, and I'm saying who's going to come out and give me again a really good head start. It's James Connor. But I do like those two rookies. I think they both could end up being in really fun situations. Obviously,

Romandre Stevenson can be a big pain for Trayvion Henderson and J.K. Dobbins can be a big pain for R. J. Harvey, I do think Harvey is going to get a lot of receptions in this offense because that's what Denver does. They target the running back position. So I think he's got a lot of outs there. And I think Denver's offense, we talk about offenses who could take it to another level and score a lot more this year. Denver could be just printing fantasy points this year if their offense takes that next step. A lot of youth, a lot of speed. And that offensive line is an absolute brick house, maybe the best in football this year in Denver. So yeah, I think we're kind of in on Connor there. Let's let me ask you specifically about a running back who's moved up in ADP.

Again, if we were having this conversation a month ago, you would talk about this player inside of round seven sometimes, but it's pretty much a rule. Every time you go into a draft and you want DeAndre Swift right now, you've got to reach a couple spots because he never falls in line for ADP. His ADP keeps rising. There's been a lot of like sharp people on making the case for Dandre Swift having a bounce back year. It's like a full site. here, Jim, where Swift wasn't that great last year. Like efficiency numbers weren't that great. He was okay in terms of the raw numbers.

Year before in Philly has a pretty good year. But we're fully expecting him to get replaced during the NFL draft. Doesn't happen. And he's in an offense with Ben Johnson that every year there's two running backs who finishes as RB2 or better. He can at least squeeze one RB2 or better season out of a running back this year. And I think it's the past catching upside in this office. where we go back to early on DeAndre Swift, where DeAndre Swift was dynamic as a pass

catcher, that's sort of taken a back seat the last couple of years, especially in Philly. Swift could end up catching 55 balls in this offense and being just okay and sort of paying off at this ADP is my take on him. Your thoughts on Swift? Are you red flags, anything? Is it a structural pick? Do you think he could have a really solid season? My big line I use every week of my fantasy football life is volume as king in fantasy football.

And DeAndre Swift will get volume. Minimum 250 touches could top out of 300 touches. And if you're going to tell me that, then regardless of what you think of him, he's going to pay off at ADP. And like you said, he could be more involved with a past catcher. That is on the table. Now, I don't think he's a good running back, but it doesn't matter. It makes no difference because that means. nothing. In Philadelphia, it wasn't a good year. His yards per carry were like 4.4, but he was running

behind that offensive line and that's all he got. So that's fine. But again, he's the only show in town. The Bears upgraded their offensive line. Defenses will be playing the pass against the Bears. They are not going to come in saying, got to stop the run. That's not what the league's about. And that's certainly not what was going to be about with DJ Moore, Romo Dunzee, Colson Loveland. That's defensive will worry about the past. So it'll be a lot of free yards for a swim. So yes, I mean, not an exciting. pick, not a sexy pick, but he's a pick that if you need a running back at that spot, great floor. Yeah, the one thing in the back of my mind is where we've gotten burned over

the years by taking guys who are, we're like, oh, he's going to get all the touches. It's kind of lining up. There's been several guys that we missed at ADP because of that. With Swift, I think it's a little bit more than that. And I have to keep reminding myself who he's only 26 years old and he's going to catch passes. It's not like we're betting on a 30-year-old DeAndre Swift here. And there's going to. just I don't trust the backs behind him to be enough of a threat to him where it's Rochon Johnson last year was sub like I mean the yards per carry were so low for Rochon. It scored some touchdowns, but it was like 1.9 yards or carry, something crazy low for

Rocheon last year. And then Kyle Monongai, a seventh round pick. Yeah. There's just not enough there where they have, they can fully get away from Swift. So I think for as long as he holds up, he's going to give you potentially something like an RB18 type scoring number, which is useful to me in round six. Not sure I'm taking him in the middle of round five, but I'll take some shots inside of round six for sure. Let's pivot over the wide receiver position, another head-to-head ADP decision.

And these players are sort of living side by side. Now, there's something off the field with, and again, we're recording this right before the beginning of August. So if you're watching this on YouTube, Devontz Smith missed a practice. I don't know if it's anything. We're going to assume he's fully fine. George Pickens, Devonta Smith, and Jalen Waddle are all going right side by side with one another in drafts, very close to one another.

And I think it's interesting. All three of these players are, call them end of the fifth round, early sixth round type values. We'll call it a five, six turn wide receivers. All of them are wide receiver twos on their team, but all of them are really talented football players in optimistic, type situations. There's some enthusiasm for all three right now between Devontas Smith, George Pickens, and Jalen Waddle, who are you clicking on the button on? The safest one of the group. If you've built a volatile roster to this point in the draft and you just want a safe high floor player, it's going to be Devante Smith because he missed

four games last year. It was the first time he missed significant time in four years, but his pro-rated expectation was 1,089 yards and 10 touchdowns. And that's fairly in line at what he's done. that's a great floor. But if you're swinging for upside, I really do love George Pickens here because we remember Dak Prescott is an outstanding downfield passer. He is one of the best we've seen. And actually,

through the second most go balls and third best accuracy in the league the last two years, he only played part-time last year. But remember Michael Gallup, when he played there a number of years back as that downfield perimeter guy, he had 1100 yards. That was a big season.

George Pickens is a monster compared to Michael Gallup. and with C.D. Lamb and Jake Ferguson there. This team doesn't have to pass the ball. The running game will be okay, but it's not going to sustain. Dax's going to have to throw the ball. The defense has a lot of injuries, players that may not be back for a while. So it's going to be a lot of shootouts. So I think your upside play is Pickens.

The wild card is Waddle because last year, look, they threw 111 targets to John who Smith. He caught like 88. They 78 catches for A. Chan, and they were losing anytime they played a good team. the problem was they weren't getting the ball to their wide receivers. And I think that Mike McDaniel has to think, well, I'm not winning games thrown to the running back to the tight end. When I got Waddle and Tyree Hill, I think the ball has to go to them. So if they fix that, Jalen Waddle could have a really strong season. He's a wild card.

He could be going any direction. So again, Devante for Smith for Floor and Pickens is my favorite ceiling play. I think you made an awesome argument here. And I think I agree with it. I'm still updating my rankings. All three will be close to one another. And exposure-wise, I'm not scared of any of them, Jim, which is interesting. Usually there'd be like a, this guy's the fade, this guy's the target, this guy I'm neutral.

This is all like, it's a very interesting tier. And I do think that diving into this sort of tier of wide receivers, they all have that upside that you might not see about a round and a half later. They're really strong situations for them usage-wise, even though they are. are the number two targets in their offense. Let's talk about two players who should be the number one wide receiver and probably in Zay Flowers's case, the target leader. Zay Flowers and Calvin Ridley both go in this range as well.

We'll call these guys the early sixth round wide receivers. Ridley, I've said, can be this year's Terry McLaurin, this year's Cortland Sutton, like the usage king with a quarterback upgrade. and then you've got Zay Flowers who had more hype last year. He's sort of settled into like a he is what he is type mentality with with drafters where they're not afraid of him. But I think the aspirations and hopes that he can give you wide receiver one production are just not really there in this offense.

Is there a player between the two of them that you like? You can make the head to head decision here. But it's also can be, do you want exposure to these two players? I love Calvin Ridley. love, love, love. And I have been pushing him since the NFL draft. And back in April, Ridley's ADP was wide receiver 42. And to May, it went up to wide receiver 38.

And to June, about wide receiver 35. He's going as high as like 32, 33 at receiver. And I still think it's a good cost. Ridley remember this. He has two straight thousand yards seasons. But last year, Will Levis and Mason Rudolph, he had a thousand yards. But it was that Ridley came on. after week five. They started to use him more. And from week 8th or 18, Ridley was averaging 76 yards,

14 PPR points. He was very solid. And I think Cam Ward may not be Superman, but I think it's a clear upgrade. And they have really worked in Tennessee to fix that offensive line. They brought in two veterans. Last year, their center, Lloyd Cushingberry had a down year, but he has shown he can be elite. They're two young linemen. This could be a real healthy situation. It really is really the only game in talented receiver. So he has been there. He's done that. I think this could be, obviously, he did that huge season in Atlanta a long time ago, but this could be a second best season. But Zay Flowers, it's tough because Theo, I pointed out last year, it wasn't that flowers got worse as a player. It's that the identity, the Ravens changed. Early in the season,

they were kind of a hybrid offense. They weren't like totally selling out on the run. And Zay Flowers, five times in his first nine games, he had at least 18 and a half ppr points. But then the Ravens figured it out from week 10 on they were all about Henry and Lamar running throwing situationally and then what happened to Zay Flowers remember he had those five times in nine games 18 and a half PPR he only had one game from week 10 on with 12 PPR points and that's because they were dedicated to to run and when they threw it was shots it was downfield to Bateman it was downfield to and Zay Flowers is kind of the odd man out so it's not a talent thing it's that

that offense is not changing this year it's going to be running and shots. And that's not where Flowers works. Yeah. I mean, for Flowers, I agree with you. I think, I think like the talent is there with him. And the target share, he's going to get like a 25% target share. But again, it's a run heavy offense. The one caveat I would point out with these flowers is the air yards went up a lot last year. So maybe the conversation for Flowers, if he would have had eight touchdowns instead of four last year, would have been a little bit different. But for me, we've seen him have about 75 receptions in back-to-back seasons. We haven't seen him take that next step.

I do think he's interesting. But I agree with you. Ridley is one where I've loved clicking the button on this year. I think just we saw it last year with Sutton. We saw it last year with McLaren. I think he could be that one where the quarterback situation last year in Tennessee was just so bad. But McClaren, I mean, Ridley had such a high air yard share, very solid first read rate.

The target share was only like 22%. I think that number actually ticks up with Chim D.K. Elyke Eamanner, both on the field a lot, two rookie wide receivers sort of in that wide receiver two, wide receiver three role. So I think Ridley's in just a really,

really good spot. Very, very interesting. Let's take one more break. We come back. We're going to talk about Travis Hunter. Is Jim Coventry in or out on the rookie wide receiver slash cornerback? this year in round six.

All right, welcome back, Jim. Got to talk a little Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter, unbelievable talent. We have weird things that we have to talk about that we never talk about with players, such as how much time is he going to spend on defense? Like, this is just a weird situation. Full disclosure, I did take Travis Hunter

in one FFPC main event sixth round, so I have exposure to Travis Hunter. where are you at with him? Is this a player you want to click the button on? Does he make you nervous? Is it a player where if players are drafting in four or five leagues, do you want to have at least some exposure to him? Yeah, I will be out on him.

And a couple of reasons. First of all, when you look at the Jaguar's office, I still don't trust Trevor Lawrence. I think he's a horrible decision maker. But Brian Thomas is the clear number one receiver. And so now we're talking to second receiver. and if we all want to make that case that Liam Cohen has fairy dust and he could turn every offense into magic, then I guess you could buy in. But here's my deal with Travis Hunter.

When we got out of the NFL draft, I said, when I watched a film on him, he still moves like a corner. He doesn't have the nuance or outrunning. He gets away with it in college because he was so much better than all the kids he played against. And that was beautiful. But I love that last week, I was listening to some reporters from in Jaguars Camp. And they backed up what I said. they mentioned that he moves like a corner still. They go, he has to really work on his route running and he's spending time practicing

on defense, which is my other concern. And the more he's going to be practicing on defense, the less time he's becoming an NFL route runner. So I think he's going to be a super sire, but I think he's going to have to develop the nuances of route running. And that's going to take some time. So I'm out on him for that reason, because I think the more they play him on defense, the more it hurts him on offense.

Yeah, he's interesting. the things that I worry about with Travis Hunter, I think maybe I'm a little less worried than you on certain factors. I think he can coexist with Brian Thomas Jr. Because BTJ is going to get all he can handle. But when I look at it, I know you've been singing the praises of Diamie Brown as like a late round dart throw. But it's still a player with Diamie Brown

where we haven't seen him really hit at a high level as an NFL player. And Brenton Strange is another player where it's a limited sample size. So I do think Travis Hunter offensively is going to have plays dialed up for him. And I believe he can score a lot of fantasy points with them. I think he can put up big spike week numbers and have like a game where he has like two touchdowns. Travis Hunter having a three touchdown game would not shock me. Sure. The consistency for me, I worry about a little bit with this offense.

And my big concern is injuries at the cornerback position. Where are they going to be forced in a situation where, Hunter's going to have to be a full-time cornerback. And also Liam Cohen is coming there to win football games. Trevor Lawrence is in year five, and they traded away next year's first round pick. So like we talk about Trevor Lawrence, you know, there's people optimistic. There's people like yourself pessimistic. No matter what you think of Trevor Lawrence, them trading away next year's first round pick is them saying, this is it.

It's Trevor Lawrence for the next two years. And now we've made this big coaching upgrade. we have a 21 and 22 year old wide receiver who are really talented guys. So if there is a chance that like Jacksonville is playing to win this year. There's not a rebuilding season. And if there's those injuries and Travis Hunter has to defend number one and number two targets, that that's really an impossible ask. Now, if he's just coming in in nickel situations, dime situations, I think he's an elite athlete

and he can do that. So that's the thing in the back of my mind. But I do think talent-wise, I want to have some exposure to him because I think he's really, really good at football. And we haven't seen this sort of player, sort of this game changer outlier type athlete. And if it hits, I think it'll be a really, really fun one. Let's do a couple more OTC decisions here. Pick a wide receiver in this range, Jim. These are the late round six, early round seven wide receivers, Roma Dunezay, Chris Alave, and Jerry Judy.

Judy had a really strong season last year, finished as a wide receiver 12, had double-digit targets from like three different quarterbacks in Cleveland. Obviously, the scoring was really good when it was James Winston, but underrated with other quarterbacks. Chris Alave, the usage like has been great his whole career dealt with the concussions, but there's been some positive coach speak with Kellan Moore. They extend him this year. Roma Dunezay, you talked about earlier. Do you want to make a bet on one of these three wide. receivers. So I'm ruling out, Ola, they, because of his quarterback situation, as much as the injury of unfortunate with the concussions, that's of concern there. But Judy, like you said,

people are not realizing what he did with other quarterbacks, even that he had the terrible first game with Dorian Thompson, but the second game they played together, Judy was just fine. So I think that, look, he could easily get you 1100 yards and have a ton of catches. That defense is not going to be as good as people think. It's the corner. they already lost Emerson for the season. Those corners, they're big names. For the last three years, their coverage skills have declined. So they're going to have to throw the ball.

Judy's a great high floor, reasonable ceiling play. If you want the upside play, though, O'Donze could have that season. If you're buying into the Bears and Ben Johnson and the leap from Caleb Williams, O'Donzee could be a monster. But there's a lot of narrative. You have to weave to make that happen. So again, you want safe, it's Judy. if you want to go for the upside play,

I think it's O'Dunze. Yeah, I think I'm a duncee in this situation as well. We have to get back to the draft capital he had last year. Alabe, it's interesting. I just never, like, I never find myself clicking that button there. I don't think he's going to burn me. I also think you can get Rashid Shaheed as wide receiver 55. And it's just a cheaper way that if the Kellynmore offense and Tyler Shuck are,

are better than Jim thinks. We can, then he's going to carry the, the Rashid Shaheed tied there. And Shahed and Adunze had, excuse me, Shaheed and Alave had very similar scoring numbers last year. Shehid was like 13 and a half points per game.

So I think I'd rather make that bet. Judy, I have bags packed in Dynasty, which is sort of a cop-out answer. I've still been adding him in best ball, but I haven't been drafting him in redraft. But I think Judy's like in a better situation than some people think,

but I'll lean Adunzee. Last question for you, and this is for a lot of the tight end premium managers, this is a decision inside of round six. And for your regular PPR leagues such as NFFC or your Yahoo's, your ESPNs, these guys you might be able to get a little bit later. But where are you at between Evan Engram, Travis Kelsey, and T.J. Hawkinson. Is there a bet you want to make with this level of tight end or is it simply not a tier of tight ends you're interested in? Yeah, I'll go later and take Jake Ferguson. Kelsey worries me because I know right now he'll benefit because maybe Rashi Rice missed some time. Maybe there's some opportunity for him or other receiver.

Hollywood Brown nicked up, but who knows what happens. Look, he's older. Kelsey may be spotted this year. We might see him not on the field as much because they're playing for the Super Bowl. Every team does, but the Chiefs really play for the Super Bowl. I think that we saw a decline in Kelsey's physical skills last year. So I think that it's very tough to bet on 133 targets again. They did it out of necessity.

I don't think she writes will be around at some point. And Ingram, I love the idea and I love the idea of Sean Peyton with him, but that defense is going to be lights out. That running game is going to be terrific. I think they've built this team to run and play defense and throw situationally. And if they throw situationally, you got Cortland Sutton, you got Marvin Mims, and you have Ingram. I just think it's going to be a lower volume passing attack. And I worry there.

And Hockinson, kind of the same deal in Minnesota. They totally revamped their interior line. They brought in Jordan Mason. They told us they want to run the football and play. And they bolster their defense too. They want to play defense and run the ball. And they know Greg Kosell said it best, J.J. McCarthy needs time to develop. And he didn't develop last year.

He was hurt. And so I believe Greg Kosellis. that if McCarthy needs that time, they're going to get throw situationally as well. So that's why I don't like those three tight ends in this area at all. Yeah, for me, I think I'm a little more optimistic with you than you with T.J. Hawkinson in pretty much all formats because I think he's very talented.

We saw the contract he was rewarded. And with him versus Jordan Addison, I think one of the two is going to end up being a big ADP win because I think Jay McCarthy's very, I think he's a good quarterback. I think that they'll be super efficient. and Hockinson, like we've seen him have these multiple high scoring years. Kelsey, I agree with you.

I'm sort of out. I don't want to elevate Kelsey for the wrong reasons. And I think the only reason people are elevating him is because of the Rashi Rice situation. Again, I agree with you. I think he's going to be a guy that they, if they need to slow play him, they'll slow play them. They have tight end depth behind them if he needs to take a game or two off. And there's more wide receivers there than just Rashi Rice. Xavier Worthy is going to take a step forward in terms of consistent usage.

There's guys like Jalen Royals on that offense. So like for me, I just don't really want to use that sort of a pick on a Kelsey. In tight end premium, I'm interested in Evan Engram because I think he'll catch enough passes that he'll provide validity. And I think that it's a nice structural pick. And again, I want Denver Broncos this year. I think that drafting Harvey, drafting Dobbins, drafting Engram, taking shots on these guys, I think they could score a lot of points and they could be a really, really fun offense for us in fantasy.

So we're sort of in line on this one. One more OTC decision before we get you out of there. Aaron Jones, David Montgomery, Caleb Johnson, or I'm out on this tier of running backs to the end of round six. I don't mind Caleb Johnson. Caleb Johnson, Pittsburgh, they may not have a great offensive line, but we know Arthur Smith's going to put extra tight ends on the field or an extra running back. And they're going to have success running the ball. And Jalen Warren last year was not as efficient as he wasn't 2023. And if that continues, Caleb Johnson may not just get the Najah Harris roll.

There could be room for a little more because Caleb Johns could catch the ball a bit too. So I think I like Caleb Johnson. Aaron Jones and the timeshare with Jordan Mason, that worries me a little bit. I think Jones may be more of a pass catcher, which is fine, but a little bit worried there. Montgomery love him. But the interior line overhaul, that specifically I think dings him a bit. So Caleb Johnson would be my choice at those three. Yeah, I'm with you on Caleb,

and I understand some of the concerns coming out of camp with the negativity, with the pass blocking. But I think he's a willing pass blocker. He's a physical player. And I think that's like Pittsburgh sort of like that sort of news getting out about a rookie where it's sort of like puts a little pressure on them to improve in that situation. That's like not like we see that oftentimes where we hear about a young player, the drop to pass or a young.

player missed a pass block. Guys can get better with that. Caleb Johnson, like Mike Tomlin, they can say these things to sort of like slow play him, but Mike Tomlin's mentioned like Richard Mendenhall. He's mentioned Levion Bell when they're trying to describe Caleb Johnson. And I just don't think Jalen Warren is, Jeline Warren's a very tough football player, a physical runner, good pass catcher, but he's sort of been a complimentary back like a 1B type for a lot of his career. And I think eventually you're going to see Caleb Johnson be a really, really like a guy who pays off specifically in the second half of the season. So with you on Caleb there, I'm Mason over Jones at cost. And David Montgomery, I think it's going to get, it's going to be David Montgomery,

not in the 50-50. It's going to be David Montgomery in like a 40 percent with a lot more Jemir Gibbs this year. Jemir Gibbs is absolutely the truth. And Jim Coventry, you crush it as well. Jim, Jamir Gibbs level performance today. Let me know what, what you have going on once again over at Rotowire. Yeah, just catch me on the X at Jim Coventry NFL, threads of the day, stats of the day. The videos get recycled there and it will point you to Rotowire. Appreciate you having me on Theo, but that's where you catch up with me. Yeah, follow all the Jim's work.

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