Fantasy Football Daily - Fantasy Football Debate: Draft or Avoid These Polarizing Players? (2026)

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

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Things are heating up in June over at Fantasy Points, and we are dropping a fantasy football roundtable, player debate, should you be drafting these polarizing players? A lot of sites and a lot of other shows you might watch, you might see like three or four guys from the same site all just agreeing with one another on this player and everybody just sort of agreeing with one guy. But Scott, we do things a little differently over here at fantasy points. No, no. I think what you're going to be tuning into today is you're going to have the privilege of listening in on an elite group of minds when it comes to football,

when it comes to fantasy football, an elite think tank, if you will. You have Theo Greminger, high stakes legend. You have Brett Whitefield, maybe the best film analyst in the game. And then you have some great data stats guys in Graham Barfield and myself, some fantasy football expert legend. So yeah, I think this is going to be a really fun debate. I think, you're all going to come out better for having listened to it. And maybe my views are going to be changed. Maybe your views are going to be changed. And we're going to see who's going to win these debates because we have the

honorable Trey Camberling with us as well. Yeah, Trey is the judge here. And we're going to get, we're getting a little while today. This is going to be a lot of fun. Graham, we broke down like the target leaders the other day. That was a lot of fun. Just very quickly for the diehards in the chat. we we messed up we missed San Francisco when we missed Seattle so in a very quick like

Cliff's Cliff Notes version who are going to be the two leading target earners on each team Yeah, we were having way too much fun talking teams that there's not much well there's a lot of debate on the 30 teams we talked about not much debate on these two teams JSN and cup to me and Seattle Theo and then I don't know with San Francisco George Kittle being close seemingly seems like he's close for week one Kind of gives me some optimism. So I actually think it'll be McCaffrey and Kittle there, leading the team in targets. Scott, I know you've been banging the drum for Kittle, and that looks very right right now. I'm going to go CMC and Evans on that one.

So that's the only place where we're button heads. Bro, Evans is awesome. It's just he's going to pop his hamstring in like week four, get him back in December. He'll be fine. Brett Whitefield, this week is the start of mandatory mini camps. We're going to be covering that. Brett Whitefield, we covered like the OTAs. Maybe we're going to have to get you back on and do a little mandatory mini-camp talk right here on Fantasy Football Daily.

Do you care about mandatory minicamp spread? I know you're not like the OTAs don't really drive anything for you. But how about the mandatory mini-camps? I think that when you get into mini-camp, you start to see the way depth charts might be stacking up. And I do think that's important for some of those like wide receiver 3s, tight-end rotation type stuff. But ultimately the only thing I care about Theo, is that we get out of minicamp healthy. Everyone needs to stay healthy.

Well, there we go. Yeah, 100%. And look for that a little bit later this week. Look for Scott and I tomorrow morning. Jared Smola of draft sharks at Scott and I are going to be breaking it down. And also dropping a really awesome show with Ryan Heath. Make sure you're also checking out. We're not only dropping the live ones in the morning,

but we're doing some other shows that drop. Trey Careballing, what time around do we want to drop these ones, the second show? Yeah, first of all, I'd like to say, If Trey Campbelling was my father's name, please call me Judge Motion Man, if you would, that honorable judge motion man. Number two, they drop around 6 p.m. Eastern. That's when you can expect those shows to go live on YouTube, and then the following day on podcast. There we go. There we go. It's getting a little weird today. We're going to have a lot of fun, but we also are going to be covering actionable information that's going to help you win this season. Every single question today is important for draft processes and maximizing value in your draft. we're not wasting anybody's time.

Let's get it started. One of the biggest, there we go. Give it to us one more time, Trey. Which traded wide receiver is going to score the most fantasy points this season? It's been a long track record of at least one wide receiver who was traded in the off season and becomes a huge fantasy football value throughout the year. We saw it last year with George Pickens, the year before Jerry Judy. year before that, DJ Moore, and then just a massive list of stars, guys like AJ Brown,

Tyree Kill, Stefan Diggs, et cetera. It's been a great track record, and we haven't missed a single year with this one. And there's multiple wide receivers who sort of fall into this category this year. But there's three that really seem to matter from an ADP perspective. A.J. Brown, who was traded from Philadelphia to New England last week, DJ Moore, who was traded from Chicago to the Buffalo Bills for a second round pick before the NFL draft, and Jalen Waddle, who was also traded before the NFL draft from Miami to the Denver Broncos for a first round pick, a third round pick, and a fourth round pick. This is not even including guys like Michael Pittman because he's an extreme ADP value.

Scott and I have talked about Pittman. If you want Scott and my opinions of Michael Pittman, just look at some of the. previous school of Scott episodes. We've talked about them in great length. But let's go ahead and get this one started. Let's go with Graham Barfield on this one. Who is the answer here, Graham? Which traded wide receiver should drafters be gravitating towards? Yeah, well, you and I spent some time talking AJ Brown last week. It's got to be AJ Brown here. You know, I think we all see the upside with Brown, right? Like he hasn't hit an apex ceiling. No top five fantasy seasons, but he's finished as a wide receiver won by points per game in four straight years.

And, you know, now it gets to go to this spot where it's just like a massive upgrade from a volume perspective. First and foremost, the Patriots were significantly more pass-heavy by pass rate over expectation than the Eagles were last season. And I also think it's a small upgrade for the quarterback, right? Like, Jalen Hertz has always been great against man coverage. But Drake May significantly better than Hertz against zones. And to me, like, there's just, you know, more run,

way with May in terms of his upside, you know, just being so much younger. Fewer target competition too with AJ Brown and with the Patriots. Romeo Dobbs and Hunter Henry are just not the target owners of Devontas Smith and Dallas Goddard. Yeah, I think the upside case for like DJ Moore is all tethered to Josh Allen and like I think we all see that. But I think Buffalo is going to be pretty balanced again this season. And then Jalen Waddle it again, like, you know, Broncos were very pass-heavy last year but he's got to deal with court and with sutton i think both of those two players still profile is like wide receiver two types to me but but brown man i think we we've got a chance to get him in the top five this year finally hit that apex and he's still like very clearly like wide receiver

seven wide receiver eight and i'm certainly chasing him up the board the other just this weekend his a dp has gone from like i think maybe 25 26 on underdog he's now going into the 20s and i think he'll end up landing where he was going last year like 16 17 18 overall I think that makes sense for him. Yeah, he's gone in the second round in two FFPC main events recently, somewhere like that 210 area. Brett Whitefield, which of these traded wide receivers are you most bullish on? I'm the biggest A.J. Brown fan there is, but I'm going to go with Jalen Wattle here.

I think at this point in their careers, Jalen Waddle is the best football player on this list. And I think A.J. Brown, you see the depreciating skill set. I don't know if it's necessarily the knee. but I do have access to the advanced GPS data. I've posted the numbers in the company chats. We saw a massive drop off from 23 to 24 in A.J. Brown's average velocity at the top of his routes, max acceleration, max deceleration. Then we saw an even bigger drop off from 24 to 25.

And I know people will cite ankle hamstring injuries, but what do you think causes that? It's the knee condition. I'm just a little bit trepidacious on A.J. Brown sustaining this production with a new team. When I look at Jalen Waddle, who's a perfect fit for the Sean Payton offense, he's a perfect fit for Bo Nix as a quarterback. The Broncos ranked third in pass rate over expectation last year. They're a high-volume team.

I think Waddle is overall a better separator. He's dynamic after the catch. And I think the supporting cast in Denver points to Jalen Wadle being their number one this year. And I really do think he's going to be the leader on this list when it comes down to the end of the season. Yeah, I love Brett's answer there. And I think if we're, if we were putting ADP into the discussion here, then I think there'd be a really strong argument for Waddle, who's like the third drafted of these guys.

Sometimes, sometimes he goes ahead of DJ Moore, but most of the time behind DJ Moore. But it's AJ Brown and it's AJ Brown in a major way. This is a player in a situation now that I think the offensive focal point of the Patriots is going to be AJ Brown. I know Scott, you put out a ton of great data about how Drake May historically wants to be balanced and get multiple receivers involved. I think that was sort of the power of Drake May last year was just finding the open man. But I think everything changes when you get an alpha like A.J. Brown.

And then we look at the history of Josh McDaniels. When we go back to 2007 offensive coordinator for Randy Moss, he arrives in New England, has 23 touchdown catches at over the age of 30. We go back to 2022. Devante Adams, his first year in Las Vegas, has 14 touchdown catches. Both of those guys led the NFL and touchdown grabs. And I think that's the pathway for AJ Brown. I think he's going to be a challenger for the most touchdown catches in the NFL this year. I think that the target share numbers are going to be very strong. This is going to be really the first time we've seen Drake May play with like a true alpha. I understand Josh Downs was a tremendous college player, very different kind of wide receiver than AJ Brown. Downs was with him at North Carolina. And then I look at the success that Stefan Diggs had last year at 31 and a half years old. He averaged 12 and a half points per game. I think A.J. Brown is going to blow that number out of the water. I think you're looking at about 17 points per game. I think he matters a lot this year in fantasy football. And A.J. Brown is my answer. Let's kick it over to Scott. Scott, you're the final answer here. Which of these three guys are you most into?

Um, yeah, AJ Brown, you, you have to go with AJ Brown. I'm pretty sure. I will just say, I think Brett made a really compelling argument. And yeah, you're like, well, look at what Stefan digs last year. And it's like, yeah, but what if AJ Brown really is clearly diminished? Like, let's not forget that the Rams were going to trade for AJ Brown and got scared off of AJ. And Patriots, brass has come out and said, yeah, he does have a degenerative knees condition. That's multiple knees. Uh, but, you know, know like yolo we're trying to win the super bowl and we're hoping for the best it doesn't really inspire too much of a spark of confidence the ass numbers came way down and even in that super bowl season a j brown was having his knees drained every single week you know he played great but you know less so last year and so all that's a you know a concern i did talk about drake may this is dating back to high school is he would check his wide receiver stats at half time he's like oh okay Tommy doesn't have a catch. Justin has 10 catches.

Let me even that out, right? And you did see that I think with last year, you know, Stefan Diggs has a big game that disappears and it's DeMario Douglas. And so that's just something to keep in mind, you know, like, Josh McDaniels outside of New England does have that one Brandon Marshall season, that one Devante Adams season with a over 30% target share. And, you know, you're going to trade a first round pick. you're going to try and justify that.

Maybe we see the same thing with AJ Brown, which, you know, he's never really had. But he is a guy who, like, ranks top three and fantasy points per route run every year. But again, I will say Brett, I think made a really compelling argument for Jalen Waddle, a player we have a lot of belief in his talent and skill set. And, you know, it's just like an amazing offensive environment.

Denver with a top three offensive line, always ranks, you know, top five and dropbacks per game. and Davis Webb now, the big thing he's coaching is he wants to be even faster-paced. And so this could really set up to be a phenomenal offensive environment. But yeah, I think clearly you have to give the lean to A.J. Brown, but I don't think it's egregious. And I can certainly envision a world where Jalen Waddle does come out ahead. Yeah, and let us know in the comments in the live chat, who are you on for all of these questions? but really appreciate how active the live chats have been for these shows.

If you're not already subscribed to the channel, go ahead and hit that subscribe button. We're going to be at 25,000 YouTube subs before you know it. I really do appreciate the knowledgeable and active people in the chats right now trying to win in fantasy football. So I guess Scott wins this one. Trey, I think going last gave Scott an edge. So we're going to give Scott the, Scott's going to go number one on the next question. I don't know. Brett was leading and then we just give it to Scott.

right there. I don't know. And Graham with only three. Graham was bringing the heat. We'll just keep, we'll keep the, these are for the vibes mostly, but I'm going to, I'm going to slam the verdict. It's AJ Brown. You know, I love what Brett was saying about J.L. Waddle, but I think it's clear here with the points how they've been

tallied up. You know, we're giving it to AJ Brown. So, yeah, the scoring is more vibes based. I'll give you the I'll give you the hammer at the end and I'll let you guys know who got the dub. So maybe we should go back to back law and order Law & Order-esque inspired beep beep beeps at the end too.

Give us one. It's just fire. It's absolute fire. Hit the like button every single time. Trey hits that, hits that button. But this is a little bit of a kangaroo court with Graham Barfield only getting three points there. I question the entire process. Hey, y'all's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair.

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Let's keep it going. We talked about traded wide receivers. Let's talk about Chicago Bears wide receivers. Collectively as a company at fantasy points, this is not any secret. We are all on Colston Loveland. Colston Loveland is a massive value. If Ryan Heath were here, he'd be saying the exact same things. Colston Loveland is a player that I think we are all extremely bullish on.

We can't even really call him a dark horse. tight end one overall candidate because the ADP is steaming up. But I think we all really like him at his cost and his tight end three price tag. And I think there's a chance that he could just set fantasy football on fire this year and be like a league winner. But a lot of arguments internally are taking place about Luther Burden versus Rome Adunze. Let's start out with Scott Barrett on this one. Scott Luther Burton was one of your guys last year throughout the draft process. then after he landed in in Chicago, the Ben Johnson slot role, me and you drafted him on a main

event team we shared together. He was sort of a ride or die guy for you. Which way are you leaning right now in 2026 drafts when looking at a Dunezay versus Burden who scores more fantasy points this year for the Chicago Bears? Yeah, well, the only argument for O'Donzee was just, well, he got hurt week one of his rookie season and it was an injury that, that, that, lingered and then last year he averaged 19.9 fantasy points per game across the first month of the season and that fell to 8.3 fantasy points per game throughout the remainder of the season that was tied to um uh an injury uh that he had it was it was a a fracture in his foot uh yeah year one it was a grade to mcl sprain in september uh and then last year it was a stress stress stress stress stress

fracture in his foot and he was asked about this uh hey how are you doing with that he's like oh uh this is i'm just never going to be you know 100% again uh this is my new normal it basically just sounded like the bone didn't heal perfectly and it's going to be kind of challenging uh for for him to uh yeah i don't get past this live live live life with this Alan robinson replied to a jesse morse tweet he was like oh yeah same thing happened in the nevicular fracture year just wasn't the same after that. And so, yeah, this is pretty scary. This isn't great for Romo Dunezay.

And so vibes not awesome. But for Luther Burton, vibes are incredible. You know, you just hear Ben Johnson just gushing over him. You see Zane, our guy, Zane Donani, you know, comparing the route profile of Amun Ross St. Brown in his best season with Ben Johnson and Luther Burden last year. It's like the exact same identical route tree. the best rookie season yards per route run since odel beck of junior uh and so yeah i think this is

luther burden in a runaway um yeah i think i i keep what do i want to go all in on loveland do i want to go all in on burden both i i think i think right now uh at cost i like burden more than i think that's a great way of looking at it scott and i think that you know just not to get off subject here. I think going after multiple Chicago Bears, if you hit it right, it's going to be extremely advantageous to your draft process because it's an offense that was like top eight in scoring last year with so much youth. This year, they could challenge and really be a top three scoring offense. Usually Ben Johnson offenses get better. Let's kick it to you, Brett. I'm sure you're going to have a powerful rebuttal to this one. I would just say Roma Dunes. I mean, for me,

it's simple. It's just, Rome's just a better football player. Is it a better. all-around player, a better route runner, a better separator, better at the catch point, better body control, better at maybe not better after the catch, but, you know, relatively dynamic after the catch. He was also the clear wide receiver one before his injury. You look at Luther Burns rookie season, who, you know, he had as many games with, actually had more games with negative receiving yards as he did as a wide receiver one or two. That's ridiculous. He completely fell off the planet in the playoffs. You know, I, I've maintained the stance the whole time. I think.

think I think Ben sees him more as a James and Williams type than an Amonra type. I think, you know, I know Zane did the route analysis, but it's, I did route analysis too. It looks very similar to the way James and Williams is used. On top of that, like, Burden still is a raw prospect. That's how I wrote him up. He has a long way to go in terms of route running. A lot of his issues early in the season, he couldn't beat out Olamed Zakias for a job, guys. Like the discipline, the route depths were all off.

And so I, I'm just going to lean on the. guy who I think is a better football player. You know, and I'm not a doctor, so I can't tell you about Rome's foot. I've seen a number of doctors saying it's not a big deal. And, and, you know, he'll be able to work through this. I think what we saw there was Rome being, just being candid, you know, to the, to the audience, to the media, which is about how, you know, his struggles and what he's gone through. And I don't necessarily think there's a ton of takeaways there.

So, yeah, that's, so I'm going, I'm going Roma Dins. Yeah, I'm going to go Luther Burden on this one. I understand sort of the, yeah, nothing shocking here. Luther Burden, I think, is like your quintessential year-two breakout wide receiver. Ben Johnson goes out of his way to hype him up any single chance he gets. I think that the Olamidi Zakeas stuff last year, Zikaas is gone, and I think that was sort of slow playing, the young rookie. I think they have a trust level now. And Ben Johnson goes out of his way to sort of tell you about that trust level every chance he gets.

Burden year two, I think, is going to be really easy. There's a couple questions in the chat on where he should be going in drafts. We'll cover those as sort of a bonus question in a moment. But when you look at like the fourth round and you're swinging for an upside outcome, Luther Burden is all day right there. Scott's talked about the value of the slot receiver in the Ben Johnson offense. I think Luther Burton is going to see a ton of work there in the slot. Scott's talked about the success of guys like Amon-Ross, St. Brown,

and even dating back to being associated with guys like Jarvis Landry. I think we see it. And you get that combination of Luther Burden making big explosive plays and continually getting the ball in his hands and his ability to accumulate yak. He's just a very exciting bet with the ability to put up spike weeks. And if it was even close for me, the foot issue is the tiebreaker. Roma Dunzei, that scares me a lot.

I also saw the Allen Robinson stuff. I'm frightened right now when it comes to a duncee. Maybe if he falls a little bit, but they are too closely aligned for me to go anything other than Luther Burden with this one. It's Burden season all day long. Luther Burden to the moon this year. Loveland and Burden, draft them both and enjoy it. Graham Barfield, you get to go last this time.

So you got to bring the heat here. So in this kangaroo court, you get some points. I hear everything that Brett said, and I agree with everything that Brett said. I also agree that Romo Dunzee is better at football than Luther Burden. But Luther Burton is going to score more fantasy points than Romo Dunesay. this year. And I've a few theories as to why. The main one is Caleb Williams. I think Caleb still struggles massively with his accuracy downfield. You see this in our catchable target rate here at Fantasy Points data. Romo Dunzee had one of the worst catchable target rates again last season. It was

really bad his rookie year. Really bad last year. Burden 90% of his targets were catchable. And it's all because he gets these like shallow crossers and a ton of screens. And it kind of mitigates, you know, some of Williams' accuracy deficiencies. So he's, you know, kind of insulated from Caleb Williams deficiency. And he's also just freaking awesome. Last year, Rishi Rice once again led the entire NFL in yards after the catch per reception. Luther Bird, number three, behind DeMario Douglas. If there's like a guy who has like a Rishi Rice type season in him, where he gets like, you know, just peppered with low a dot targets. And it's kind of like a PPR scam, but he just gets a ton of yak and he ends up, you know, having some decent games with yak. It's burden.

And I think the third thing we need to talk about here is Luther Burden, like, led this team and designed targets last year. He had 29% of the design target share. DJ Moore is gone. And Moore was the only receiver on this team that got a, you know, significant share of the design look. So Burden's going to be getting all the design low A dot looks on a team that's, you know, probably going to be throwing a good bit. They're going to be pretty balanced, I think, but, you know, high volume offense. And yeah, you can draft this player in the fourth round. I think for fantasy, to me, though, Colston Loveland is the priority over all these guys. I have Loveland ahead of burden in my rankings, and I'm, I'm prioritizing Loveland in my

drafts as well. But the more I have researched burden, the more I see the upside case for him. And, you know, Brett, I think you make a great point that, you know, he played behind in Zekees, but we see this every year, like with rookie receivers that aren't necessarily just like studs right out of the gate, right? It takes some time for these guys to get ready, get going, learn the offense. Bert only had three games last year where he ran more than 60% of the routes. So, you know, we've got to expect a big, big uptick, at least in terms of his playtime this coming year. And again, like I said, I think he's the most insulated player in this offense if Caleb Williams just does not take a third year leap. Let's go. And

And, Trey, we're going to pass it over to you. What's your verdict on this one? Fellas, this one is tough because I think I'm going against the folks here. But I've been coined in this phrase, and this is a me thing, so I didn't steal this from anywhere. With Luther Burden, folks are paying what I'm calling the flea flicker sticker, okay? That big play that you can't replicate. And I know there's some stats that support that he was great without that flea flicker also, that long play. But it's Roma

Dunesay here. You got a couple guys in so I'm banging the gavel for Romano Dunesay. So like Graham said, he's the best wide receiver on the team. I think Luther Burden does have a safe floor like Graham said, but I think this is the truly the most talented guy on this team. And I

Colston Lovell and second to be quite honest. But yeah, I'm going with Rome here. You see some guys I made this argument the other day? Keenan Allen, a guy that dealt with some stuff throughout his entire career. Julio Jones, we forget, had Marshawn Lloyd hamstrings his entire career and made it work. So

it seems that Rome is just honest about what he's dealing with and it's his new normal. He's going to figure it out. I'm going with Roma Dunezay on this one. What a, what a unbelievable process here. Trey, you broke it down. Let's just go quick around the more here.

And I'll make this a Luther Burden question for Scott and Graham. I'm going to say a player next to Luther Burden and you say which one you'd rather draft with no context. It's either burden versus this. players. So let's go with you, Scott. And this is from Underdog ADP, not FFPC or NFFC. This is best ball, but it's about the same. So we'll go, Scott, Luther Burden or Mike Evans, which one? Well, in a PPR redraft, I would go Luther Burden, but in underdog half PPR bestball, I'd go

Evan. Okay, so we'll take context out of it. Don't worry about the, don't worry about that sort of stuff. Just go yes or no on this one. Luther Burden or your guy, Terry McLaren. McLaren Luther Burden or James Burden, Luther Burden or Jalen Waddle

Uh slight to burden Luther Burden or your guy Ameca Egbuka Do you hear me? Igbuka Okay, there we go

Graham, we're going to go the same questions for you, Rapid Fire, Luther Burden or Emeka Egbuka Burden or yeah, Burden. Luther Burden or Mike Evans

Burden. Luther Burden or Terry McLaren McLaren Luther Burden or James Jamison Williams Jamo man that one's tough okay and we're going to flip it for you

Brett because you are on team Roma Dunesay Roma Dunesay or DJ Moore Oh Rome Roma dunzae or Christian Watson Christian Watson All day long Roma dunzae or Carnell Tate Oh frick me

I'll say I'll say Rome. All right, so there we go. We're going to keep this one going. I saw a comment in the chat. And big shout out to Derek Brown of Fantasy Pros. He's going to be joining me later this week, live right here on Fantasy Football Daily at 10 in the morning, Eastern Time. We saw a nice comment in the chat about Caleb Williams, about Caleb Williams going to take a big step forward this year.

But not so fast, my friend. There's a couple people at Fantasy Points who are down on Caleb Williams. So let's look at this one. How can working at your local Tims take you further? Sure, you can level up your teamwork skills. You also get a chance to receive a Tim Hortons Scholarship Award. Ready for what's next? Apply today at careers.timhortons.ca.

Caleb Williams, is he a Dark Horse QB1 overall candidate or a regression candidate, which is he closer to having a season where he absolutely smashes or a season where there is regression and he loses some value after the steam he gained last year in his first year under Ben Johnson. Let's start out with Brett Whitefield on this one. Oh, easy. Definitely closer to a regression candidate than a dark horse QB1 candidate. Even just from a math equation, that's obviously true. He'd have to come up with like six points per game more to be in the QB1 overall discussion. The bears are going from the easiest schedule in the league to the hardest schedule in the league.

Just math alone, I think, tells you that. And then that's not even putting my Caleb Williams feelings into the, into the equation there, which are obviously I don't think at this point in time, he's a very good quarterback. So could he take a, he could even take a massive step forward and not be in the dark horse QB1 conversation. So, yeah, I'm going regression candidate all day here. Yeah, maybe I set the bar too high with QB1 overall, but I do think Caleb Williams is going

to be a top five score this year in fantasy football. It's probably the one, the guy that I'm most disagreeing with in our current projections. I just think when you look at last year, multiple rookies were being broken into Chicago, tons of changes on the offensive line. It was Ben Johnson year one. And we saw Caleb Williams just take this massive leap forward from his rookie season. And I think with Caleb Williams, we also see some rushing upside in this offense where in terms of being an opportunistic scramble, just in terms of being efficient as a runner.

last year, 383 rushing yards, three rushing scores. I think those numbers can improve. I think the 27 passing touchdowns are going to improve. And I think he's going to actually be the first Chicago Bears. What's the number we're looking for, Graham? 4,000. 4,000. Such a low bar.

He's going to blow through 4,000 passing yards. I mean, he had 3,900 last year. I did say 4,000 last year, and he had 3942. So, like, he was close to it. But Caleb Williams, I feel like everything is set up for him to take a big step forward. I think the experience matters for these very young, young receivers, and Loveland and Burden in year two is going to matter. Kyle Munungai in year two, all those offensive linemen last year,

that offensive line took a big step forward. Everything is set up for Caleb Williams to have like a top five scoring season. So I'll say that he finishes higher than his QB7 finish last year. Maybe not QB1 overall, but I think he's going to be a very impactful pick for fantasy managers this year. let's go to Scott Barrett with this next one. Yeah, I think everything that Brett brings up here is valid is like Caleb Williams is an overrated quarterback. He was bottom three and catchable throw rate, bottom three and accurate throw rate last year the year before that. It was one of the worst seasons ever by pressure to sack ratio and

catchable throw rate. But like, you know, this is fantasy football. And I think the best argument And for Caleb is that, and by the way, it's very similar for Bo Nix as well, is that Caleb Williams last year finished, what, eighth in fantasy points per game, despite ranking bottom three and catchable throw rate? And so, like, what happens if he improves slightly? What happens if he's average? What happens if he's good? What happens if he's great?

And so I think this is really just an impossible to fail setup. This is like almost an impossible not to be great setup with Ben Johnson, scheming. these wide receivers open, maximizing this offensive line, which is very good. And yeah, almost impossible to fail setup. The guy runs. He had four of the top five fastest runs by a quarterback last year, according to GPS tracking. Dropbacks are going to be really high in this offense, which kind of doesn't have a great running game. And yeah, I think as much as I am with Brett in being, you know, somewhat of a Caleb Williams hater.

or think he's kind of overrated based on talent. It's just this setup is so nice. What drives scoring? It's dropbacks, tons of dropbacks. It's runs. It's a good supporting cast. And Caleb Williams has all that. So he's much closer to being, you know, almost, yeah, a top five fantasy quarterback than he is to being a player who regresses in a meaningful way.

Graham Barfield, where are you at on Caleb Williams right now? Easy click for you or somebody has given you pause. I think when he goes ahead of Drake May, I think that's insane. That's, that's happened in a lot of drafts. I think that's absolutely crazy. But I'm fine with Caleb Williams. And it's for all the reasons that Scott said. It's like, yeah, I think he struggles with accuracy. But in our game, it really doesn't matter, especially since he's running so much. We also need to call a spade a spade like he legitimately did improve year over year, especially in terms of cutting his sacks. Caleb still is going to always hold the ball like 2.8, 2.9, 3 seconds on average, just the type of

player he is. He's looking for the big play downfield. And if it's not there, he'll scramble. But he did legitimately cut the sack rate last year, partially due to O-line, but I also think that is just like, hey, he's processing a little faster. Maybe the offense is just, you know, better. And obviously, you know, Ben Johnson is clearly defining reads for him, especially early in the game. I actually looked at this just real quick in terms of his regression. I figured it would be a little higher. You guys remember watching all the games, right? Like all the Bears' fourth quarter comebacks, 31% of Caleb Williams' fantasy points came in the fourth quarter alone. That's a little high, but it's not as high as I thought it would be.

Like, Josh Allen actually led all quarterbacks last year and fourth quarter fantasy points in terms of his like just total fantasy points total at 39%. So, yeah, I don't think there's any regression, really, for me. I think he's perfectly fine in terms of where he's going in drafts. I'm not really like going over my skis to, you know, take him ahead of ADP. Like I said, I much prefer Drake May. They're going basically around the same pick right now. But, yeah, I'm not out on Caleb Williams this year.

for sure. He goes in a pocket, Theo, where, you know, the running back, you know, running back kind of dies. Receiver, it's just like one big, long, flat tier starting in round five through nine. So, yeah, I'm more than, more than fun, taking a little bit of an upside bet on Williams. One follow-up I want to have for Brett Whitefield, because I think Scott, Graham and I are all really somewhat bullish, if not bullish, on Caleb Williams. I know, Scott, we drafted him in our FFPC 350 that we did, we did together the other day. Brett, I would say like some of the some of the problems you've seen on film and I think Derek Brown would sort of be hand in hand with you. Are those correctable things with Caleb Williams? Because I will also remind you like since you love hating on Caleb Williams so

much, the guy's 24 years old. This is not some finished product 29 year old. We're talking about a 24 year old. So your thoughts on are some of the errors you've seen correctable from a film perspective? Well, of course. And I've always, first of all, I don't love hating on Caleb Williams. I've never once hated on him. I just, I give you honest analysis about what I see on tape. That's not hating somebody. Yeah, this is the same stuff he's been doing since his freshman year of college, though.

So it's like, can he is it correctable? 100%. I've maintained that the whole time. He might be a great quarterback one day. Right now he is not. He had nine touchdown passes on busted coverages last year. Go turn on that Dallas game. By the way, the biggest output of his fantasy football career.

so far where Dallas literally couldn't cover anybody. There was miscommunications all over the back end. And these weren't, you know, I know what Scott's going to say, is this Ben Johnson. This is, these weren't Ben Johnson induced busted coverage. These were just guys falling down, not covering people. So like, yeah, of course it's, he can take a step and develop. I don't project that because he's put nothing on tape to suggest he will develop and

take a step forward with his accurate throw rate. I think this pressure to sack ratio improved partly because they played the easiest schedule in the NFL last year. Well, this year is not that. He has a murderer's row. He's got like the third hardest schedule or even hardest schedule depending on what source you look at. So talk to me after

week three. We'll see where we're at. Yeah, people want to hear the word hating. They don't want to say, you know, film-based takes. The word hate is much easier to sell. We're not selling the steak here, Brett. We're selling the sizzle on this show. Trey, your final verdict on

Caleb Williams, who wins it? year. It's hard to say that Caleb Williams is a loser if everybody's saying that Colston Loveland and Luther Burden and Roma Dunesay are going to have, you know, 1,500 yards apiece. So, I mean, I don't see how you can call Caleb Williams, you know, a loser this season. So, yeah, I'm going to have to give Caleb Williams. I'm going to call him a winner today. I think that one's an easyish one. But I do think the concerns are correct. You know, I see some of the same stuff Brett's talking about. I don't love Caleb Williams, but it's hard to fail of Ben Johnson. So that's more about the system, less about Caleb Williams. That's the verdict.

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As much law and order as we can squeeze in. Liam Cohen offense, I think we all are betting on is going to be pretty good again. It was terrific last year and year one. Massive improvements from 2024 to 2025. Liam Cohen also did some great things in Tampa Bay. And when we're looking at the Liam Cohen offense, there's a lot of question marks. Everybody's pretty affordable. And you look at the wide receiver position, two players whose ADPs are converging are Parker, Washington and Brian Thomas Jr.

If you're drafting an FFPC, these guys are usually available in the late sixth round, early seventh round, similar on Underdog, where they are wide receiver 32 and wide receiver 34, literally side by side in the wide receiver ADP right now. but which one of them is going to score more fantasy points in 2026, BTJ or Parker Washington. Let's pass it over to Scott Barrett, who, Scott, you revealed Parker Washington as like your biggest dynasty trade target during our NFL draft coverage with Brett and I. And then you have sort of kept it going like an early Exodia guy. I've done a dynasty startup with Scott. I've done a 350 with Scott. We've drafted Parker Washington in both of them. So Scott is putting his money where his mouth is with this one.

So why don't you make your bull case for Parker, Washington here? Well, I made it a number of times, and you just see the price continues to rise. You know, it really centers around. So the last four, five game stretch of the season, Trevor Lawrence playing at the best he's ever played by a landslide. And, you know, what was maybe the primary catalyst was getting Parker Washington more involved. You'd seen before that, really impressive per route numbers or really impressed when given that full-time opportunity. But over that last five-game stretch, you know, he had double the target rate of anyone else. He averaged over 105 yards per game.

No one else was over 43. And so he was clearly the alpha and the offense was way better off for it. So the question I'm going to ask is what I keep getting in my mentions is like, should we be worried? now. Like is the price getting too high? There is now some buzz on BTJ. And just to speak to that, I talked to one of my sources, you know, who was very tight to that Jacksonville regime who said, well, a few things. They said they were just as surprised as anyone about that sophomore year fall off. They wondered if it was related to his very close friends who, with Kyron Lacey, who tragically died of a suicide. He, and then, you know, BTJ himself came out and said, you know,

it no longer hurts when I, when I run. So it could be, you know, injury related. And he did have that really all-time great rookie season, although albeit it came with Mac Jones and not Trevor Lawrence. And so there, you have all these, you know, considerations and factors at play when it comes to BTJ. But I was told that a team last year at the, the trade deadline was 99% sure they were going to have BTJ on their team at the trade deadline and wasn't the Jaguars. And then the Browns this year before the draft were, we're almost convinced they were going to have BTJ on their team. So it was clear that Jacksonville was shopping BTJ. And so, but yeah, the hype right now is, hey, he looks great. They're working hard on improving

the chemistry with Trevor Lawrence. Maybe there was an injury thing and he's full. healthy now. So much of this Parker Washington thesis, I think now especially hinges on the Chris Godwin versus Mike Evans corollary I brought up, which was the Liam Cohen slot role seems extremely valuable. You saw this even in his Kentucky days with Wondell Robinson, who was a running back the year before. You saw this with Cooper Cup in Los Angeles having the best year of his career. You saw this with most importantly that Chris Godwin season. I was all in on Chris Godwin because of the Liam Cohen slot. Liam Cohen always talking up the importance of the slot position to his offense. That year, Chris Godwin ranked second in fantasy points per game behind only

Jamar Chase. And Mike Evans in games that Chris Godwin was fully healthy was like a low end wide receiver too. It was a high end wide receiver. And so to me, Mike Evans, one of the best wide receivers in football, Asgod, is what we're saying is this Liam Cohen slot role is enough to, is more important than in some cases the talent. And so that really gives me the conviction in Parker, Washington. And I still feel like he's a really strong value, even though the price continues to rise. To me, he's basically like Luther Burden on a different offense and just a round or two or three cheaper. So, yeah, this is, you know, I flag planted him as an exodia back in April.

And I still feel good about it. Quick question for Graham Barfield. We have a 12 team super flex contending team. Trade a late 2027 first and a late 2027 third for Breece Hall. Graham, you made a bowl case for for Breast Hall on Fantasy Football Daily last week. We talked about target leaders. You've made the case that Bruce Hall could end up being the number two target this year in New York. So we'll keep this question specifically for you.

Are you trading that late 20271 and late third for Breeshall? Yeah, given your running backs there, I think I would. You know, it's hard to know if you can, you know, rest of your team, you say you're contending. But yeah, I mean, Jacobs obviously question mark probably beyond next year could be suspended probably next year. We'll see. And then, you know, obviously Barclay is getting close to that age cliff. Yeah, I like that move a lot for you. Yeah.

And just a clarification. I'm with Graham on that one, but clarification, if you're new to the channel, Scott Barrett is not talking about these guys' asses. He's talking about average separation score. It's one of the many metrics you can find over at Fantasy Points Data Suite, the best source of analytics and statistics anywhere, really anywhere right now in fantasy football. Average separation score is a key metric for us

and helps us evaluate wide receivers and tight ends and their separation ability. So average separation score is what Scott means. Scott, you got to clarify because we're getting some new, new people showing up to the channel in June and July that might not know about your love of ass and might think the other thing. So we got to go with that one. Graham, let's kick it back to the question.

We talked about Bruce Hall briefly, but let's get back to the Parker Washington versus BTJ stuff here. It's very important. And I think you are team BTJ on this one. What if I told you? a receiver who had nearly 1,200 yards and had 17 touchdowns while playing alongside Malik Neighbors in 2023. And then in his rookie year, he had a massive breakout,

nearly 1,300 yards, nearly 90 receptions. What if I told you that player who, yeah, he had a bad season last year playing through injury, hurt his shoulder, hurt his wrist, and then he badly hurt his ankle in a game against the Raiders. middle of the year, almost put him on PUP. Yeah, what if I told you that player is going in the sixth round? And what if I told you that player of the last two seasons is the wide receiver 21 and fantasy points per game? He's not going anywhere close to that ADP. And then what if I told you that

player is the only deep threat on the team? Yeah, I mean, it's clearly BTJ. I think this is one of the best, maybe the best injury discount on the board right now. And, you know, Scott, I hear you. They're shopping them. It would make a ton of sense. Literally half of the league. should be lining up for a cost-controlled 24-year-old Brian Thomas, who won't get a new contract for at least another two years. And then he's also got a first-round option for a fifth year. Yeah, I think BTJ is an amazing value. You look at last year, not only was he playing injured, he's a massive regression candidate, basically only Ricky Piersall and Jerry Judy were more unlucky by our expected fantasy points per game metrics. BtJ was by far, you know, he was definitely

a bust last year. I'm not going to sit here and say he was not a bust. But the volume was still very, very good. This is kind of pointing towards the XFP regression. You look at the eight games he played before he got hurt. So before that really bad ankle injury I mentioned earlier, he was averaging like eight targets per game, low end wide receiver one numbers. And of course, yeah, Parker Washington was not really a part of the offense just yet. Travis Hunter was still kind of getting acclimated in this offense. I'm very bullish on BTJ and you're two. And I, excuse me year three and I certainly believe he was playing with some sort of injury because you know you the rookie season tape and the sophomore season tape just don't don't align that player is still there

and the truth is somewhere in the middle and if the truth is somewhere in the middle he's still an amazing value like maybe the apex outcome of like 1300 yards and double digit touchdowns like his rookie season isn't there but where he's going in drafts like I think a lot of that risk is already mitigated Brett Whitefield where you at on this one Yeah, this is tough. I can talk myself in circles on both of them. I think, you know, I look at the player BTJ, the prospect coming out, the rookie year he had. It was also special. I think he's extremely talented, physically gifted, upside. You have a ton of ceiling with a guy like BTJ. I also think about the step Trevor Lawrence took last year as a quarterback. Like, man, a healthy BTJ with that version of Trevor could be insanely dynamic, like league winning type stuff. But I also think about the development of Parker Washington last year. And that three game stretch, at the end of the season was one of the most impressive wide receiver stretches of any player in the league. And it's like, you know, Washington probably has a more well-rounded game as a guy who can play outside in, as a guy who's dynamic with the ball in his hands, who's, you know, great on those

crossing routes and in-breakers. He also had a steady diet of deep targets. I think people think Parker Washington's only like a shallow run-after catch player. He's actually kind of all over the field, three-level threat guy. So the consistency of Washington, though, has not. been there through three three years of his career we had that three game sample that was so tantalizing so i could really fence it on this i could see it go in both ways i've been pretty bullish on parker washington though especially the adp i've acquired so many shares of him in dynasty um i feel like him

and trevor do just have a connection that is special and so i'm gonna go parker washington here i don't necessarily feel great about it though this is probably the closest of the questions i've been asked I mean, I'll take a pure like cop out zero on this one, Trey, because I'm going to say that they're both solid picks in their range. I mean, you're talking about Parker Washington who was, who scored 18 points or more in five out of his last seven games, including the NFL playoffs. He sort of fits into a mold of guys who have thrived with Trevor Lawrence, maybe a little bit more than BTJ does. But at the end of the day, if I'm searching for a ceiling outcome player in that range, range of drafts. BTJ is one of the best clicks on the board. So for me, I'm getting access to both of these guys at the six, seven turn. I don't mind double tapping these two players in the same

draft, even without Trevor Lawrence correlation. Getting both of those players at that range, I think is going to be very beneficial. I think both of them are going to easily beat their ADP this year. And I think it's probably at the detriment of Jacoby Myers, who's a really, really good player, but I think it'll be a little bit more of a role player with these two guys being focal points of the Jacksonville offense. And it's an offense that I want pieces of. I think everybody's price to succeed. And like Brett said, Trevor Lawrence was playing at such a high level at the end of last season. I think it does carry on. So I'm going to go with a cheap cop-out both on this one. But if it's a ceiling outcome, it's BTJ.

Parker Washington may be a safer pick in this range, but both of them are solid. Let us know in the comments which Jacksonville Jaguar's wide receiver you are drafting this year. I think one of them, if not both of them, are going to help fantasy managers a ton. Trey, final verdict. Now I'm going to defend you here a little bit, Theo. I don't think that's a cop-out answer because this is how fantasy works. What's true in April may not be true in September. And when Scott was on Parker Washington, the price was phenomenal.

that gap is starting to close. So I think as we're shifting from April into September, I think they're both good clicks right now, but I'm going to lean BTJ, assuming that Parker Washington keeps getting the steam as he should be getting the steam this summer, thanks to a lot of Scott's great work. But again, if you were here in April,

your Parker Washington bags are already packed, so you've got nothing to worry about. So I'm going with BTJ, but I think both are great options. Could we also, when we release the podcast version of this, replaced Graham with like a Morgan Freeman voice for his answer here, where it was like the what if I told you, it would have sounded great with like a true Morgan Freeman voice

because that was, I love the way you laid that out, Graham. Really, really good stuff. And if you want to hear Graham extensively talk about this situation in Jacksonville, make sure you check out the previous show he was on for Fantasy Football Daily, where we broke down not 32 teams, we broke down 30 teams, target totals and leaders. That was a great show that can help you. out in your process. We were just down in Duval. Now we're taking it to Philly for back-to-back

questions here, both surrounding Philadelphia Eagles wide receivers. A.J. Brown is now a New England patriot, and Devontas Smith has steamed up in ADP, a ton of enthusiasm regarding Devonta Smith, who's twice averaged over 15 points per game in his career and is now expected to take a big step forward. Does Devonty? to Smith have a career high fantasy season without AJ Brown or are the expectations and ADP too high? Let's kick it over to Scott Barrett to get this one started. Yeah, I mean like obviously you see a ton of upside for Devont to Smith. You see the splits with without AJ Brown. He's the clear alpha. We believe in his talent. He's a former Heisman winner. There were stretches where

he outproduced a fully healthy a j brown um i will just say at cost you know i i see a little more downside than most um you know you have those with without splits but people don't talk about 2019 granted it was devontes smith rookie season but you only have like one catch like 15 more yards than dallas gotter in a best ball like i think dallas goddard is an amazing pick way better pick at cost and the guy to bet on i i love davanta smith but but one my question is ability to be a true alpha uh fantasy points data we're looking at true press coverage he really struggled against press coverage last year uh against more physical cornerbacks uh and he did benefit from you know defense is focusing in on a j brown and so you have all that and you also have a hot seat quarterback you have

a very run-heavy offense. And yeah, I just think there's paths for this to backfire that when you're looking at ADP, I see a ton of the upside already baked in and not really very much of the downside. So I know this is like the hot guy. Everyone wants to draft him. But for me, I'm finding players around him at cost.

I kind of prefer. interesting answer there scott i know you've been high on dallas scotter we'll do a tight end episode on school of scott at some point in the near future break down other tight end values scott's seeing there um let's uh quick quick clarification uh for the chat who are hating on tray camberling's judge this is not santa claus this is a judge keep your gavel higher so people can see it tray he's got a gavel have you ever seen santa claus carrying around a gavel the haters are just out of control right now in the live chat. Let's let let let's get it over to uh to graham barfield devanta smith career high season or are people going to be a little bit disappointed. Yeah,

I think devons is a good pick at ADP. I think maybe I've just been brief hall pilled and like that's the guy I want in the third round where he's going. Um, that's just the click I've been making and pretty much every draft I've done so far. But yeah, I mean, Scott makes great points. I do question. Smith's ability to be in Alpha. We saw the just ginormous Heisman season now, what, six years ago in 2020, in that year, Jalen Waddle was hurt. I believe he only played in like five or six healthy games. So really, like every year of his career, like we've never really seen him be like a true

number one. There's always like an asterisk attached to it. And I'll save my McCoy Lemon debate info for the next question. But yeah, I mean, I think where he's going, makes a ton of sense. I would much prefer Nico Collins to him and I think I also

maybe prefer T. Higgins. But yeah, I mean, it's an inappropriate cost. Third round is the exact right price and with the way drafts are going this year, Theo, I don't really see a whole lot of room for that to like move up,

right? Like we're seeing running backs get pushed up the board correctly. So the tight ends, Bowers and McBride are just not, they're not going to move from that like, you know, back in first round term

to like early, early third round. So to me, you know, Smith is going to be like 28, 30, 80P all off season. And he's fine there. But yeah, to me, it comes down to more of like a team build thing. If you've gotten out of the first two rounds with, you know, two running backs, Devante Smith is your wide receiver one makes a ton of sense. But if you've gone receiver heavy, I would be picking one of the running backs in that pocket. I know it's a little bit of a cop out, but it really is just a completely fair price for him. And again, I don't think it's one that's going to move to. much. Yeah, I mean, I look at Devontas Smith and one thing Scott, we've talked about and I know

Brett Shirley Fantasy Points Data Suite showed it just how valuable the AJ Brown role was in this offense the last few years analytically in terms of target share, in terms of first read rate, in terms of area share. So if that shifts over to Devontas Smith with how good he is and his talent level, then I do think it's going to be a career year. Does that career year mean like a 20 point per game season like some people think it could be. I think if you're searching for that, you're going to be disappointed. But if the bar I need to beat is 15 points per game, I think he can get north of that if the numbers are very similar to A.J. Brown. So I think Devontas Smith is fine where he goes. He's not a player that I would want to push into like the end of round two if I'm stuck. I've taken

him a lot of times sort of at that late third, which I don't think will exist too much longer in like FFPC formats. But I think Devonta Smith is a very talented football player, poised to have a quote unquote career year, but we have to cap the ceiling just a little bit there. But yeah, 16 points per game, 17 points per game, I think can be doable for him in this role. Brett Whitefield, where are you at on Devontas Smith in Philly? I absolutely think, yes, this will be a career year for him with the asterisk of if he stays healthy, obviously. But in terms of points per game, absolutely, I think the thing we're kind of losing here is Sean Mannyin comes over as the O.C. He's bringing the Matt LaFleur, Sean McVeigh offshoot.

They're going to live in 12 personnel more than pretty much, I'd say they're going to be top five and 12 personnel this year and push over 40% of their snaps there. So when you talk about the concern we have with his ability to get off press and win as an ex-receiver, well, he won't even be asked to really do that. They will be able to hide him formationally quite a bit. And so I'm really not worried about that. They acquired Dante Vian Wix. He's going to be a legitimate ex-receiver for them.

And Devante, I think he has the talent to just dominate. I mean, he's an awesome route runner, incredible separator. And despite his size, he's absolutely incredible at the catch point. Body control. It's why his touchdown numbers have been very good, despite the slender build. So I think this is easy. And like you, Theo, I don't think that means he gets to like 20 points per game necessarily, but I do think he has a career year pretty easily here.

You let us know in the chat what you think about Devontas Smith. And a big follow, a final verdict from Trey Camberling, judge, Judge Trey Camberling right now. This is going to be problematic for me. If you've watched the best bets podcast, I am on the record as a Philly hater. I think it's a horrible city. There's a tire shop on every corner. It's just disgusting. I don't want any piece of this offense.

I think Jalen Hertz sucks. But if I did have a piece of this offense, I would want. Devanta Smith. So the verdict here is just that Philadelphia is trash. Wow. On to the next. Wow. You don't like Philly cheese. It's like half our listeners right there just hung up the phone. But yeah, no Phil, no Philly for me. On the record, I have a battery that or is that Philly next time you visit. I live, I lived in Philly. You saw how they treated Santa. Come on. Philly's a great city. Great city. Philadelphia is a great city. He does not speak for all of us here at fantasy points.

I just pulled up a stat. I got to throw this out here. So everyone talks about Devonda Smith with without splits. So since 2022, when AJ Brown joined the team, Dallas Goddard without AJ Brown games, Brown did not play at all. Dallas Goddard averages 14.9 fantasy points per game. Devontha Smith 14.5 fantasy points per game without AJ Brown. So Dallas got it actually higher.

Granted, I think I think Devonta left one of those games early. so by yards per route run it's more impressive whatever devonta smith is a top 12 wide receiver by a ddepy on underdog Dallas goddard tight end 15 you know i'm not a basketball guy but if i was uh Dallas gott might be my my highest own no you're right i mean the the adp on goddard's ridiculous i mean he's going behind asea likely and toulin cancate two guys who have been part-time players their entire career you know um i'm with you on goddard i made this comparison of my article that like drafting dallas goddard is a bit like just eating your vegetables. It's like, yeah, broccoli is super, super boring.

But just think of the nutrients, Scott. I'm with you. All right, well, there we go. We're going to kick it over to the follow-up question is what will Mackay Lemon's impact be in year one? Mackay Lemon is an eighth round pick right now. When you compare the gap between him and the other first round wide receivers like Carnell Tate and Jordan Tyson, it's pretty massive. but when you hear the beat reporters in Philadelphia

sort of talking about what we saw at OTAs, Mackay Lemon appears to be a player that they're fast-tracking not only for three wide receiver sets, but also for two wide receiver sets. So my question to you guys would be, what are our expectations for Mackay Lemon this year? Will he deliver as the Eagles wide receiver two, or is he a bad fit?

Let's start out with you, Graham Barfield. I think he's a good fit. I think we've made this mistake, and I'm just speaking from personal experience, I've made this mistake of making too much out of slot production in college, right? Like, just because a player was asked to do something or just because they've been deployed a certain way in college does not necessarily mean they can't do something in the pros. And, you know, Ryan wrote this up in his article when he was, you know, writing up all the rookie receivers just that, you know, over 40% of lemons receiving yardage came from, you know, either two routes, basically the same.

slot fade and screens last year through the slot. And yeah, that's it's a totally fair rebuttal. But just watching the games, like Lemon to me showed like elite acceleration really, really quick in and out of his breaks. There's a lot there to like that, you know, maybe he wasn't deployed this way at USC, but you certainly can see the separation ability in, you know, maybe not some like hidden personnel groups where he's just kind of running into massive open spaces. He's going to be playing in 12 personnel. They're going to have to play him in 12 personnel. And I think Lemon is being underrated as a prospect.

Like two years ago, he was the alpha, number one wide receiver on a team with Jacoby Lane and Zachariah Branch, both of, you know, both who were just drafted in the third round. He's got to stay. I know, I hear you. And it's a bad, it was a bad class, Scott, for sure. But it's all relative. Like, it's, it's certainly relative. That being said, you know, Lemon, I think we're kind of underrating maybe his target earning potential as well. all the reasons the sky outlined with davanta smith you know never really truly being an alpha um to me lemon

profile is more of as not necessarily like a round eight 80p pick maybe six seventh round 80p pick i think you know in recent years theo we've we've been pushing these rookies up the board a little too much maybe this year uh less so especially with jordan tyson but i think that also extends just a little bit to lemon i know it was a really bad rookie rookie class i'm with you on that uh but it's all really relative. He's still a first-round pick. He's going to play. They're going to have to play him in two wide receiver sets. And, you know, I think there's some underrated upside with Lemon just based on his talent profile, a little bit on the production profile, but more so just like, man, I mean, the Eagles, it's wide open. I mean, it's Devontas Smith. Yeah, he's going to leave this team

in targets. But God, you know, I'm with you, Scott. He's a great technical value, but he's never really been more than like tied in six or tied in seven by targets or first retargettes. chair he's just always kind of been fine there's certainly some some upside here for lemon in this offense yeah and i see a comment in the chat where somebody says that tate mogs lemon like my argument is not mckeye lemon should be drafted close to carnell tate no yeah it not at all like carnell tate's going in the fourth round now in ff p c main events macky lemon you're seeing him go in like the eighth to mid ninth round so not making that argument whatsoever but i do think i agree with i agree with graham barfield that Mackay Lemon is a little underrated right now.

Mackay Lemon, I think Dallas Goddard is a really strong pick at tight end 15, but I think even Scott would argue that he's a cap target ceiling guy. I don't think he's suddenly going to explode to some massive number of targets north of 30 years old. I think that Mackay Lemon has a chance to be a consistent number two target in this offense. And if there is a chance that Devonta Smith steps right into the A.J. Brown role, Could Mackay Lemon step into at least partially the Devonta Smith role? I know Brett's probably rolling his eyes at this one.

You know, Mackay Lemon's a guy that has to play the slot, but I think they're committed to getting him on the field in two wide receiver sets. I think he has a ton of toughness, and I think he's a target earner. And that's everything that Philadelphia is saying with trading up to draft him and what they've said sort of from the front office down to the players, down to the beat reporters is Mackay Lemons looking really, really good on the field. He's a player that the team is going to fast track. And I think there's a chance that Mackay Lemon easily beats his ADP when you're talking

about a guy you're able to take in the ninth round, eighth round of drafts right now. So I'm going to say Mackay Lemon beats expectations this year and ends up being a good pick where he goes in ADP. And I think he'll have a lot of steam heading into 2027 as well. Brett Whitefield, your thoughts on your guy, Mackay Lemon. So exciting to talk about this for the 400th time. Yeah. So as the resident non-fantancy guy here, I have no idea what that means.

He's drafted in the eighth or ninth round. I don't know if that's good or bad. I'll just say this. I don't think, like, Mackay Lemon was not this elite prospect to me. I see biomechanical issues in the route running. Graham, I'm going to have to disagree with you. I don't see the separation ability. I charted him for one singular route win on a vertical route lined up on the outside in his college career.

That's pathetic. It's worse and pathetic. They can try to put him on the outside. and 12 personnel. He's going to have to play in the slot, though. They're going to run a ton of three by one and force him into the slot with Wix or Devante Smith as the outside player. So I don't I don't buy the, we're going to force him on the outside and it's going to work. It's just he doesn't have the skill set to make it work. Furthermore, you talk about a quarterback who literally doesn't throw to the middle of the field. And I don't know that Sean Mannion

changes that. Even Dallas Goddard's success on his route tree comes outside the numbers as an inline tight end. He's the only one in the league that that's true for. So I don't know where all of these high value targets from Mackay Lemon are going to come from when he has a quarterback that's not going to throw to him. He's going to have an offense that's going to play 40% of their snaps out of 12 and 13 personnel, actually probably close to 45%. And then I think there is relatively good talent around him on a run heavy team. So it's, no, I don't think he'll pay off as a wide receiver two this year. And for the record, I love the way McCai Lemon plays football. He's a football player. Theo, you mentioned the toughness.

He plays the game the way you'd want everyone to play the game. But for fantasy football, as the Eagles wide receiver two this year, I'm going to say, no, he does not deliver this season. Follow up for you, Brett, is, you know, with the Sean Manian being the offensive coordinator, and then we see the draft picks of Mackay Lemon in the first round, and then following it up with Eli Stowers in round two. Don't you think it sort of, it's a signal that Philly wants to change a little bit off defensively, maybe get a little more lower AD, get guys the ball around the line of

scrimmage a little bit more often. So there you go. There you're saying Sheldon Hertz will struggle with that sort of thing. Well, he's proven he can't do it now for like nine years going back to his days at Oklahoma. Exceedingly slow trigger. He's a see it, throw, kind of guy. And everything has to happen either out of structure or outside the numbers. It's not happening over the middle of the field.

So Eli Stauer's draft selection, second round, actually makes me more nervous about McCoy Lemon because that's. now another interior level player that's going to have to win between the numbers, between the hashes and the middle of the field. And the whole situation makes me nervous for Mackay Lemon, for sure. All right, let us know in the chat what you think about Mackay Lemon. Let's shift it over. Let's talk about some running backs. And we'll go a little bit quicker for these ones, guys. Let's start out with James Cook. James Cook has been a player that has been an absolute rocket ship the last two years. Massive ADP winner in 2024. Massive ADP winner in 2020.

And one of the biggest ADP corrections we've seen in quite some time, James Cook has steamed up. He's going as a lock first round pick recently. Occasionally you see him at the beginning of round two, but for the most part, he's going inside of round one. Somewhere in that 107 to like 203 range, but you rarely ever see James Cook falling past like the 204 level. So big price difference for what you've had to pay for James. James Cook based on years past. Scott Barrett, does he deliver at this increased price tag? And dare I say it, should he be in the discussion as a Dark Horse RB1 overall candidate? Yeah, I think so.

I forgot the judge. We'll get to the McKay-Lemond judge after we do the James Cook. We'll do back-to-back judge once. Sorry, chat. This is a- You're in contest, of course, Leo. It's a circus right now. It's a circus. Go ahead, Scott. Sorry to cut you off. Yeah, yeah. I think you have to, you know, strongly consider it. To me, James Cook is the new Derek Henry, is the new Nick Chubb, which is to say he's the guy who just continually makes fantasy experts look stupid. Where you look at him and he's like, well, he doesn't catch enough balls, you know, his yards per carry is unsustainable, his explosive run rates unsustainable. You know, Josh Allen vultures touchdowns. But year after year, he just delivers. And I think that's the key lesson is like, you know, people before Derek Henry, before Nick Chubb,

is Alvin Kamara 2. This is unsustainable. Some guys are just good at the game. And, you know, outliers win championships. And this looks like an outlier. So, yeah, it's one of the best, most talented running backs in football. He's on an amazing offense. So I, last year made me look stupid.

The year before that made me look stupid this year. I have no qualms with his ADP. I don't know that I'm going to chase it at this cost, but certainly no qualms with his current ADP. Graham Barfield, your thoughts on James Cook at this elevated price tag. I don't think it's chasing. I just think it's the right price. I think people have finally caught up to what you're saying, Scott,

that he is just an outlier. He's going to consistently perform his role. And I actually still think there's room to grow in his role. We saw a small bump in his route share year over year. It went from like 33, 32%, 24. It was up to 37%. If we can get him in like the low 40s or even the mid 40s this coming year, I know they like playing Ty Johnson on like, you know, obvious passing downs and maybe just to give Cook a breather in those types of situations.

But I still think there's room to grow here with this role. And, you know, the touchdown upside is just obvious. That's why he's going to continue to beat his ex-fp is just, you know, the touchdown equity in this offense attached to Josh Allen and attached to so many good game scripts because Allen and this offense is just, you know, consistently humming. And the defense is pretty good, you know, year over year. Yeah, man, I'm in on Cook. I think it makes a ton of sense. This is the first year he's been correctly price. Sky, I'm with you.

I've learned my lesson too many times on James Cook, and I'm just eating it. Yeah, he's been a guy that I've drafted the last two years and had a lot of success adding them to my roster's. 1600 rushing yards last year, guys. He's got 32 rushing touchdowns in his last 33 games played in the regular season. Absolutely ridiculous and the spike week ability. I think really the X factor. that all of us would love to see with Joe Brady is, could we get the reception totals up?

We saw 44 catches in 2023. Could we see 55 catches this year? That's like the one X factor where he looks so good with the ball in his hands. Getting him the ball in space would make total sense as like a wrinkle in this offense. If we can go from like 33 and 32 catches somewhere in that 50 range, not like a massive, massive ask. then I think James Cook can end up being one of the best picks you could make this year. But I think the 80P price tag is very, very justified. And I think he's a really strong edge pick when you can get him at like that one, two turn level.

Brett, your thoughts on James Cook? Yeah, I love him at value right now. You know, our resident Bill's expert, Joe Marino, who I do a show with called First Read, he's the foremost Bill's authority on the subject. He thinks Cook is absolutely locked into that 340 touch volume. Doesn't see work in the past game going up, but he thinks he's pretty insulated as far as he's going to be between 325 and 340 touches.

So I feel, you know, anytime you get a running back with his level of efficiency, his touchdown scoring potential, touching the ball that many times, mid-first round picks an easy hit for me. Final verdict, Judge Trey Camberling. Yeah, so we'll go back to the McKay Levin. I'll keep it very, very short. I did put in the chat for the record. the judge rules in Mackayette Lemon's favor because there is a path.

I'm going to tell you what that path is, very simply. He needs to learn how to play football and Tanner McKee needs to start a quarterback. Let's go. That's the path for Mackay Lemon. This guy is trashed. It's over. He hates Philadelphia. Philly sticks.

It's over. James Cook. Are we going to, you know, James Cook. Are we going to pass on James Cook again? What are we doing? We're going to miss James Cook again? No, you take a James Cook. In favor of James Cook.

We love James Cook. Go bills. One thing I have to say about Philly is they're at, So they have the sweetest sounding accents I've ever heard. Have you ever heard anyone from their talk though? It sounds like they have marbles in their mouth. I guys, Scott Barron and Trey Cameron do not speak for all of us. They do not speak for all of us.

I lived in Philadelphia for two years. Got a lot of love for Philly. Yeah, Phil is awesome. You guys are haters, man. Did you have to plug your nose the whole time you live there? No, no, no, no. Joe Tom and I fight about this all the time.

I am the resident Philly hater. So I'm going to take all that. I was not expecting Philly to take so many to take so many strays today on the show. Big apology to all of our Philadelphia area listeners. We are not going to continue this sort of Philly slander on a day and day out basis. Let's talk about another one thing I'll say about, one thing I'll say about Philly is they have the best backup quarterback in football. Should start over.

Okay. starting quarterback. Tanner McKee, the goat. Bro, they have Cole Peyton. What are you talking about? Andy Dalton. Those are like the second, third, fourth best quarterbacks in the NFC East after Jackson Dart, the goat. Strays for Jalen Hertz, strays for Philadelphia. How many subs are we going to lose to fantasy points today because of the Philadelphia's

talk that we've been dropping? We're going to get rid of Philly right now. We're not going to talk about it anymore. We are going to talk about New Orleans. Orleans. Back last year, who was one of the best ADP values on the board at the running back position was Travis Etyn. There was a lot of discussion throughout the summer on Bachel Tutin versus Travis Etyn. It ended up being one of these ambiguous backfields. And it was an absolute joke at the end of the day with E.TN having a career high season in his one year with Liam Cohen. He parlayed this into a big contract with the New Orleans Saints. Signs with the Saints goes back to his home state of Louisiana. The vibes are great. Changes his last name to A Chan. He's now Travis A. Chan on some shows. I'm going to call him Travis E.TN for a while longer until I guess I have to switch. But right now, the ADP price tag has gone from being like an eighth rounder, seventh rounder last year into the third round this year in high stakes leagues like the FFPC and the NFFC. Does he thrive in New Orleans and continue the recent positive trend of veterans? free agent running back signing with new teams. We've seen it for the last couple of years, Scott.

Or is he a bad fit and more of a dead zone type bet? So let's start out with you, Scott. Travis ETN last year, we talked about him a lot on School of Scott and just what a good player he was for Liam Cohen. Where are you at on him this year at the elevated price tag? Yeah, I think he's an awful pick. I think he stinks. And this is not a good draft pick whatsoever.

You know, since his first year in the league where he looked great. but you know uh maybe injuries he's kind of a different person since then uh he averaged 3.8 yards per carry in 2023 uh 3.7 yards per carry in 2024 and then last year week nine on second half of the season he averaged what was it i have it right here 3.6 yards per carry yeah so this is like a very below average runner and let's not forget it was a leum cohen offense which is generally you know leading the league and efficiency and uh yeah and he has alvin kamara still there. I know Alvin Kamara, one of the least efficient running backs in football last year, but you've kind of seen that every year of Kamara's career where it's like, okay, he has a ton of injuries

and he's inefficient. Then the next year, he's healthier and he's very good. And even if he's, you know, really not great as a runner, he's always going to be good as a pass catcher. And so, yeah, I know there's talks that he might cut Alvin Kamara, they might trade album, but as long as he's there, I want no part of Etienne at his current ADP. And then even if Kamara were to leave. There's probably a running back in that range I prefer, just given, you know, how unimpressive I think ATN's been throughout his career. Let's go with Graham Barfield after the Scott Barrett evisceration of Travis ETN, a little bit different response here. Travis Atten is like the, the Philadelphia of running backs. Bro, you're going to have like anthrax in your mail from some Philly guy,

listen to this podcast. No, I'm going to continue the evisceration. I think he's a really, really bad third round pick. Scott's just right, like Alvin Kamara is not dead. So it caps a little bit of the receiving upside. But yeah, my entire thesis on ETN is he's just not that good of a running back. Last year, Alvin Kamara at nearly 30 years old, forced more mistackles per carry than Travis ETN. Yeah, the explosive run rate was.

virtually the same. ETN was at like three and a half percent. I think Camaro was around three and a half percent. Yeah, and then yeah, you mentioned that maybe the upside's a little bit capped. This to me is not a third round pick. This is more of like a fourth or fifth round dead zone pick like you said, Theo. The fact that he's going within two picks of Brees Hall is legitimate insanity to me. I'm kind of, I've waffled on Devontas Smith a little bit, but I much prefer Devontas Smith this year, much before George Pickens at ADP. Give me Rishi Rice and that just whole, like, you know, upside case for him over 18. It's just like there's so many players, receivers, running backs, and even a few quarterbacks that I prefer over ETN.

I'm bullish on the Saints, very bullish on the Saints this year, but it really just comes down to their passing offense and wanting to leave a draft with Alave or Jordan Tyson. Unless ETN comes down to like, man, maybe the fourth round, which I don't see happening unless Camer gets, you know, it's clear that, you know, Camer is not going to get cut. he's going to be a big part of the offense. Maybe we get some steam on that. Other than that, I'm just going to be out on ETI on this season. There's been some recent rumors linking Alvin Kamara to the Buffalo Bills. And I think that there's some, a chance of that that falls into fruition. I do think that Alvin Kamara will be gone from New Orleans this year. I think a lot of the recent like hype there is sort of to get the trade equity up. But I don't see him staying with New Orleans this year, just my my gut feel.

I'm going to go with kind of a bullish take on ETN here. We're making big bets on this offense. I know Ryan Heath and I dropped our top five breakout offenses. We had Los Angeles Chargers at the very top. New Orleans was a very close second for me. And I think when you kind of look at the role that ETN is going to play on this offense, I get it, Graham. I like Bruce Hall more than him as well.

But I think when you're looking at Travis ETIN as like a late third round pick, structurally he makes a lot of sense. I think the reception totals are going to go up this year in New Orleans. I think it's an offense that's going to play with a great pace of play. And I think ETS touch totals are going to be excellent. And I think that the touchdown equity is going to be solid. So I understand some of the efficiency metrics that you and Scott are pointing towards. But I think when you look at his role with what should be a very plus offense,

is he a little bit of a compiler? Maybe. But I do think he's going to be a big part of what New Orleans does. And I think New Orleans takes a big step forward this year. So I am open-minded to drafting Travis E.TN, especially when I have wide receiver, wide receiver starts, or if I have a running back wide receiver start and I want to get my RB2. I look at some of the guys being drafted around him. I think Kyron Williams is going to be challenged by Blake Corum this year. Javante Williams, you're also paying a huge increase price from last year.

Josh Jacobs, who knows what's going on there. And then Cam Scadaboo, how healthy is he? Quinn-John Judkins, cap-targett-up side type guy. So like ETN, I do agree, Breece Hall over ETN, no question. But I think ETN, I'm very open-minded to drafting McCost. I will be the resident ETN. I'm okay with him, guy, unless Bright Whitefield wants to be bullish on him here. I don't know if bullish is the right word, but I will say that like,

I like to bet on running backs that have really, really good, healthy environments around them. The Saints have one of the best offensive lines in the league. They have a plus starter at all five positions on the O line. There's like two or three offensive lines you can say that about. And you talk about like the volume, like Etienne's never been a huge volume guy, right? Like 260's like his rushing cap. Well, they had like 435 team rushing attempts. So there's still a world where him and Alvin Kamara can coexist in Travis Aetian.

He still improves his efficiency and still gets better as a fantasy asset building on hit last year, what he did in Jacksonville. So I, and that's not even considering the fact that Kamara might not be part of the picture. And if Kamara isn't part of the picture, I think bullish is the proper term to use for Travis ETN. And I say that as a guy who's been labeled a Travis ETN hater. So, and I get the, you know, the force mistackles concerns Graham. But I think like the opportunity here in a really healthy environment is, is awesome. And so I like, I tend to like to bet on those guys, especially in redraft. Like it's not like, yeah, go ahead.

Sorry. Yeah, Brett, follow up for you. You talk about the environment in New Orleans. This is also an offensive line you think could take a big step forward this year. Yeah, I said, I think they have a plus starter at all five spots. And there's like probably two or three offensive lines you can say that about in the entire NFL. What is the verdict here on Travis ETN? I want to be nice and I want to, you know, treat guys with respect here.

But it has to be said that Travis ETN is a James Robinson hip replacement, you know, away from being in the NFL right now. So unfortunately, I'm going to say no on Travis E.TN. I'm out. No thanks. And a follow up for you, Trey. Is there any slander on the fine city of New Orleans that you want to throw in there and offend any more subs? So I'm going to say these things, but I want you to know that this is not slander.

New Orleans is the dirtiest, grimyest, nastiest city in America, and it's one of my favorite cities in America. Motion Man loves going to New Orleans, loves getting a couple of hurricanes, Keynes of getting after it. So with all love to New Orleans, my New Orleans folks, you got it. I love it. All right. So Trey's totally redeemed himself for at least a partial segment of our fantasy points subs. Let's go rapid fire on this next one. David Montgomery, does he return value in the fifth round this year? He's RB21 in most formats. Let's start with you, Scott. Yeah, amazing pick. you look at Joe Mixen in this offense two years ago when he was healthy 19.8 carries 3.7 targets

over 100 yards from scrimmage 18.3 fantasy points per game that's elite volume and keep in mind Joe Mixon not very efficient that year I think David Montgomery even at this stage of his career is one of the more underrated running backs in football two years ago led all running backs in yards per route run ahead of jimier Gibbs led in or top three in yards per target. over expectation. Underrated pass catcher, underrated player, great role, and people are still sleeping on him, especially in best ball, love David Montgomery. I'm going to, I'll just go next. I also really like David Montgomery. I talked about a number of those running backs that I was sort of fading in favor of Travis Etyn. I like David Montgomery more than a number of running backs

that go ahead of him and a number of running backs that go behind him. I've made a concentrated effort to trade for David Montgomery on a ton of dynasty contenders this year. And we saw how valuable this role in Houston was two years ago. Joe Mixon was really an underrated player that the whole offseason. People were basically stealing him at his current ADP cost and at his ADP cost in 2024. And he delivered strong RB1 numbers. I think there's a chance that David Montgomery's numbers look somewhat similar to what we saw from Joe Mixon in 2024. And I think that the threat of Woody Marks is almost like non-existent. I think he's more

of a contingent upside handcuffed back than a player that's going to steal from David Montgomery. David Montgomery's fresh. He's been playing behind Jemir Gibbs last year. This is a chance for him to regain a bell cow type role on a team that really wants to protect C.J. Stroud. So I'm all about drafting David Montgomery at cost in all formats. Grand Barfield, your thoughts on Montgomery. Yeah, we're probably going to be all in agreement on this. I'm big on Montgomery this year. Scott's, right, just, you know, Belkow upsides there. But I also think there's some, like, maybe some hidden efficiency that we're kind of underrating.

Nick Cayley ran a lot of just man gap blocking concepts last year. Montgomery was awesome off man gap blocking concepts. He didn't average as many yards per carry as Jamir Gibbs did last year because Gibbs is just a freak and can, you know, house any run from any part of the field. But he was over five yards of carry and had slightly higher success rate on his gap concepts than, Gibbs. He's clearly got a lot left in the tank. The only question I have, and this is really more of a question for Brett, is just this offensive line. You know, it's still going to be really bad. You know, it is a concern. Maybe he doesn't have, you know, much big playoff side, but volume, you know, decent-ish quarterback. I think we've got some questions about Stroud. But the price and the

volume, to me, are like the two big, two big things in his favor. Brett Whitefield, our noted Detroit Lions expert at fantasy points. Now you see David Montgomery on another team. How do you expect him to do? Yeah, I'm with you guys. I love it. I love this for Demo. He deserves like a full-time running back role, Belcow role.

He's going to get it here. With Graham on the O line, it is a little concerning. It could end up being great, right? They've replaced three starting spots. Could end up being really good. Could have like a Chicago Bears level uptick. However, I don't trust it. The Texans have been doing this for three off seasons now.

And so it just seems like they're not even really sure what they want on the whole line. So we'll see. But I do love this for you. I think he's a smash for sure. Final verdict, Trey Camberling. We're all on the same page. Of course, David Montgomery is cloned to the bone. So he's always getting the nod for me.

This is a team that's going to be playing a lot of defense. They're going to be wanting to run the ball, not sold on CJ Stroud. This favorable game scripts for David Montgomery. And he's nails. He's the man. So one of the safest picks you can make, and I think there's upside here. I think he could really take the ball and run with it, if you know what I mean. So yes, I think David Montgomery to the moon, book it.

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that like button, but also take a second and subscribe to the channel. We are getting so close to 25,000 subs, something we've really, really been working on for a long time here at Fantasy Points. Value all of you guys. The chat has been incredibly live today. Guys, this is an uncomfortable one and an uncomfortable way to end the show. Every single year we see a veteran whose value just gets completely nuked. We go back to last year, Tyreek Hill was the wide receiver 15 in ADP. Calvin Ridley was the wide receiver 25. Both of those guys are effectively dead in ADP. And this happens every single year in fantasy football where guys go from a decent ADP position to absolute zero. Who is a veteran this year who's going to get completely cooked or might already be cooked

already and you just don't know about it. Let's start out with Scott Barrett on this one. Can you come back to me? I don't have an answer yet. Fine. Let's go with Who wants to be brave enough to cook? I know who Brett Whitefield's got, and I love it. Yeah, you wrote it, and I do have to disclaimer this. It does sound like the medicals on George Kittle are somewhat promising. However, I just think about the age. I think about the guy, you know, I think Scott called him,

he's both Mr. Glass and Wolverine in the same body, and I think that's hilarious. It's so true. So even if the Achilles gets him back on the field some point this year, it's like, what's the next thing? This guy has always dealt with injuries. I do think there's a chance he's just completely cooked. The thing that scares me a little bit off my own take is they didn't make a meaningful addition at tight end.

And it's like, well, they know more about his Achilles situation than I do. And so, but I'm tempted to say it's a janktongous situation all year. And Kittle, you know, if he gets back on the field, he won't be himself. It's just the age, the severity of the injury just seems really damning to me. I'm open to being wrong here, though. Yeah, I'm going to go with Brett. This is one player that I've had trouble clicking the button on with George Kittle. It just feels like the wheels could fall off.

And I don't even want to say it here. But when I started researching this question, I'm a little bit worried. I don't know if this is not going to zero on this one. But I'm a little bit worried. Could we have a Christian McCaffrey being this year's version of 2025, Seekwon Barclay, where the volume he had to sustain in 2025 could catch up to him? him in 2026. I worry about the collective nature of both of those guys being such important pieces to the 49ers offense. They're an old offense guys. They got the chips pushed in for this

year and it feels like it could head south with Kittle and Christian McCaffrey. McCaffrey won't go to zero, but could he end up being a poor pick at his current ADP cost because of the volume that's catching up to him? So I don't think so. I think I think both these takes are going to age horrifically. because we'll scrub them if we have to because mcalfrey is guaranteed to get the right kind of volume that barclay wasn't like he his touches are carries whereas CMC's touches a heavy portion of them are targets which are worth 2.6 times as much as a carry in ppr league so even if there is a decline in efficiency uh i don't think it matters and i honestly think efficiency could be better you know with everyone fully healthy let's not forget how injury decimated that offense was. George Kittle, yes, he's Mr. Glass, but he's also Wolverine. It looks like he's going to be back week one. This is, you know, what I think is the most underrated offensive player in football since he's entered the league.

And I have my dusty veteran I'm nervous on. And this one, you know, might backfire just the same as I think your 49ers takes are going to backfire for you, Theo, is DJ Moore, where I look at this ADP and I think so much of it is just Josh Allen's wide receiver one. You know, granted. Josh Allen's a kingmaker. That's a great offense. You want to be invested in.

Gabe Davis sucked. And Gabe Davis put up points, fantasy points over the years, behind Stefan Diggs even. But I look at this player and I look at a declining talent who is always overrated to begin with. You know, I think he was like sixth in targets per route run in the Bears last year. The ass wasn't very good. And Joe Brady's track record, let's not. forget he took over that offense stephan digs went from 108 yards per game to 45 yards per game uh you know capped route share you see this gross four-way five-way wide receiver by committee situation

uh and so i don't know that this role is as valuable as everyone is making it out to be i don't know that the talent is there and i can see him really just and by the way brandon beans an idiot so like yeah major overpay uh so that would be my pick right now. Okay, there we go. And we're going to get a little bit more into Christian McAfra because I want to clarify that one, but you're going to have to watch School of Scott. Make sure you're also subscribed to School of Scott. Scott Barrett and I every single week on this channel, the YouTube channel, also dropping some bonuses on the podcast. We're going to do a veteran show, sort of talk about upside and downside with all of these guys that are near or above 30 years old. Scott loves the older

veterans this year. Scott, you're really gravitating towards these guys, except for DJ Moore. Graham Barfield, give us somebody who could be cooked this year. So I don't think this guy's cooked at all. I think he's still going to be very, very good. I think you're going to watch the games. You're going to be like, how does this guy not have six, seven, eight catches a game? I think Ladd McConkey is one of the worst picks on the board. Again, I was maybe the only guy last year on the site that was like, y'all are crazy taking Ladd where he's going.

I think it's even crazier this year. You look at the last two seasons, last two combined seasons, Ladd is wide receiver 38 by targets per route run. He's also outside of the top 25 wide receivers by points per game. He's a wide receiver 28. His role has just never been that good by XFP. Again, wide receiver 34. And I think this, this offense is going to be very, very run heavy. They're going to get Joe Alt back. They're going to get Rishon Slater back. They got Mike McDaniel involved. McDaniel over the last two years has been, you know, either very balanced or run heavy two years ago. They were 15th and pass rate over expectation. Last year, they were just 30th. I don't.

think in theory you want this team to be run heavy built off of play action and in my opinion lad mcconkey has never really been a high-end target earner to the point where he's being drafted at i don't think he's going to be dust i don't think it's going to be like one of these situations like you said where it's like oh i haven't even thought about calvin ridley really this off season i think i just think we're going to see kind of the correct price next season on mcconkey is more of like a wide receiver three type as opposed to like a borderline wide receiver one and really really strong wide receiver two. He is the most glaring fate on the board to me. Love it. I absolutely love it.

Trey, break it down. Give us the final verdict on this one. So I thought I thought all cases were great on this one. I'm going to go off the board. I'm going to go with the motion man pick here. So I just, I'm going to get my two cents in. Theo knows who I'm going with. It's not a vet. It's a Rondea Gadsden. This guy will not be drafted next year. You will not see this guy in fantasy drafts next year. He was dead when Charlie Kohler got signed. He was even more dead. when David and Joku showed up. Terrible, horrible player.

You will not see this guy get drafted next year. Arronday Gadsden. Thank you. There we go. There we go. Go check out FantasyPoints.com for all of my work, all of Scott Barrett's work, Graham Barfield's work,

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