Fantasy Football Daily - Fantasy Football Playoff Heartbreak, What To Do With Johnathan Taylor In 2025 + Best And Worst Christmas Food Traditions | Dynasty Points

Episode Date: December 25, 2024

Dynasty Points brings you a Christmas Special. We talk about our semi-final meltdowns, what to do with Taylor after his massive game and upcoming schedule, and our favorite and least favorite Christmas food traditions. Use promo code - YouTube25 for 25% of your subscription Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ Listen to the podcast here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts Thinking About Thinking Substack - https://jakobsanderson.substack.com/p/lets-think-about-thinking Where to find us: http://twitter.com/DynastyPts http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/JakobSanderson http://twitter.com/RyanJ_Heath http://twitter.com/LGilbertFF (0:00) - Welcome to the Ultimate Fantasy Football Breakdown (2:15) - Fantasy Football Bad Beats That Ruined Our Weekends (3:10) - "Everything Is Ezekiel Elliott’s Fault" - The Ryan Heath Story (7:00) - Lethal Fantasy Duos: Why Lucas Has Stopped Feeling (11:00) - Championship Showdown: Jakob vs. Tom (Again!) (12:45) - The Ultimate Bad Beat: Jalen McMillan Gives Away a Fantasy Season (20:00) - How One Sunday Night Game Ruined So Many Fantasy Leagues (29:36) - Quick Break (29:42) - Texans Claim Diontae Johnson: RIP Tank Dell’s Fantasy Value (39:43) - Players With Uncertain 2025 Dynasty Value (39:50) - What to Do With Jonathan Taylor After His Insane 2024 Finish (57:46) - Quick Break (57:55) - Higher or Lower? A Fantasy Football Game (58:05) - Jaxon Smith-Njigba: Higher or Lower Than WR8 in 2025 ADP? (1:02:00) - George Pickens: Higher or Lower Than WR14 in 2025? (1:06:23) - Jameson Williams: Higher or Lower Than WR28 in 2025? (1:11:40) - Holiday Fun: Our Favorite and Least Favorite Food Traditions FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, it's not quite Tuesday night. We're not quite live, but you are still watching and or listening for the holidays. It's dynasty points, a little bit different this year. The show just happens to fall on a couple of days this year that we're not going to be able to be live. But there's one thing I couldn't do without, and it's talking with my favorite people about football and fantasy football, especially for the holidays. Lots of people are traveling. so I hope you're tuning in and enjoying. Let us know where you're watching from.

If you're watching over on YouTube, leave a comment. Are you at your in-laws? Are you suffering through lineup decisions while the house is going absolutely ballistic before Christmas? Let us know. We're also going to talk about some holiday happenings. We're going to talk about our favorite and least favorite holiday traditions. Some things we do and don't like about the holidays. We're definitely talking about some bad beats, and I hope you're ready,

because I suffered what can only be described as the most horrendous set of bad beats from the Sunday night football game that I could remember since I've started playing fantasy football. This was the most emotional roller coaster tied to three separate leagues at once. All of these outcomes could have been avoided. And we're going to talk about that. Ryan Heath, Lucas Gilbert, joining me. No Jacob this week with family things. We're recording this Monday afternoon. You're going to be watching this here on the Tuesday.

Hopefully you get what you need from your Monday night football game. All of that being said, we are also going to talk about a couple of players, probably a little more brief than what you'd come to expect from us, especially with no chat, sending us off in multiple directions. you know, we're going to get through it though and it's going to be great. We're going to have a wonderful time.

A couple of players we're talking about. You're going to want to sit tight for that. I want to start with bad beats. I want to start with bad beats because I feel like, I feel like a lot of the times fantasy football analysts, quote,

expert, which we are not and will never claim to be don't like to talk about their beats as much. They want to talk about the way. I knew this guy was going to play well. I, you know what? I put him out there and I knew that this was the Debo Samuel game that he hasn't had all year.

It was happening this week. I knew it. I put him in every lineup and I'm in 27 finals out of 27 leagues. I have 100% win rate because I'm the go. We're not going to do that. We have bad beats here. We're just people. Ryan, let's talk about your bad beats.

I feel like mine's going to take the longest. So let's talk about your bad beats from this past Sunday. Yeah. So kind of all my bad beats are ultimately Ezekiel Elliott's fault. But the way we get there, I think, is entertaining. So I'm going to back us up a little bit. So I'm in the semifinals of this insane two tight end super double tight end premium league. with Jacob Gibbs from CBS and some other people around the industry.

I have a pretty good team, but I've been kind of cobbling together the RB2 position since J.K. Davence went down, right? He was kind of my guy the whole year, and I'd been starting like Gus Edwards, Justice Hill, like these types of players, right, in the RB2 spot for the last handful of weeks. So I, all week, am trying to get a spot starter

at the position. Well, first, I'm trying to spend big for like a Jimir Gibbs or a similar caliber player because as we've talked about, if you're going to spend up, spend big, really affect the probability of your win chances if you can. Failing that was trying to send like a late second for Isaac Grendo before the injury. Thank God that that didn't end up coming back to bite me. It was a few hours away from that potentially. and ultimately I end up trading for Rico Dowdle. But here's kind of where it gets really frustrating because on Thursday, I am the worst person when it comes to setting lineups and remembering to set

lineups, especially for Thursday night football. My biggest article published of the week is Friday morning. I'm always very locked in working on Thursday. It's usually 8 o'clock and I'm like, oh, my God, I had to set my lineups. I had left Justice Hill in at RB2 with Gus Edwards on the bench on Thursday night. I realized this when Edwards scored his first touchdown that he was not in my lineup and was sitting on my bench. Edwards ultimately drops over 20 fantasy points. And I'm just sitting there going into Friday with Justice Hill.

And I'm like, oh, my God. Like I have to make this trade now. I'm on tilt. I do the trade. I get doubtle for the late second. plug him in, and then Ezekiel Elliott comes in at the goal line and plunges in and ensures that Dowdell scores, like, whatever it was, eight or nine fantasy points. And now, because of Ezekiel Elliott, I am in a position where I need 13 points from Jordan

Love in this league. And in another league, the Scott Barrett Danny Kelly Invitational, which Thomas and Jacob are also in. I need fewer than 50 points scored by Jordan Love, Josh Jacobs, and MVS. So Josh Jacobs can absolutely end me tonight. And I'm very terrified because he's done that every single week for the last eight weeks. And yeah, I am going to be pretty upset, I think, that's circa 11 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on Monday night. But maybe you'll find out and you'll know how badly a tilting by the time this goes up more so more surprise that you need to worry about your running back two spot in a two tight end league and not frantically constantly trying to fill your tight end spots

i think that's really impressive i think it means you did something right i also just want to point out it's really just josh jacob's coming for your ass or hearing us talk so much shit about him all off season he's like i get the chance to end that nerd season i'm ending it let's just how it's going to be I gave in, I traded for him. I traded for him this week. I needed them. I felt turns out didn't need them. We can talk about that.

Lucas, let's talk about your bad beats. I think the worst one is just getting absolutely wrecked by a stack two weeks in a row. Last week in one of my leagues in which I'm going up against people I work with, who I've been accusing for years now, are too scared of me to let me into their league. just got my season ended by Alman Rae St. Brown and Devante Adams. And it didn't help that. Brock Purney scored me, I think, what, three points in that game. So it was a very rough way to go out in that one, having to eat a lot of crow right now.

But, you know, it's what it is. And then this week getting wrecked again by Justin Jefferson and James Cook, just coming in like a wrecking ball, killing everything, while I'm watching Brian Thomas score me, I think he has one-a-half fantasy points. So I'm feeling really great about that, not to mention, oh my goodness, Trey McBride, doing something that he hasn't done all year, making me very sad. So I'm sitting here wanting Tucker Kraft to score 50 fantasy points tonight, just so I can have any sort of shot in one league. So I can finish in fifth place. And then I need Jadim Reed to score me 50 points in another league.

I'm not really liking my chances. Ryan, I think that that would be really good for love if that happens. So who knows, we can be working together on that. But I also know that you need love not to go completely off tonight with the other players that you all have. I'd rather be in your spot because, like, yeah, it's. Oh, because you know you're not upset. You're not upset if you don't get 50 fantasy points from Jaden Reed. It is extremely possible that I advance both these teams.

I'd say it's about 50-50 win probability in each matchup. But I just know that I'm going to get like middled, absolutely in horrific fashion by Josh Jacobs. Yeah, it's just. But it's just enough where I know there's a chance and I am invested. Yeah, I'm, yeah. tune in to my Twitter tonight, I guess. Plus, yeah.

Plus right now, I just know that the Broncos are going to Bronco at this point. After losing to Chargers, I see the Bengals there and I'm terrified. Yeah, I think the Bengals might make the playoffs. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a great end to the season. But, you know, I still believe, kind of. And then my Tennessee balls, who I typically have, you know, something up. I think it's over this shoulder in my normal area. of Peyton Manning, the goat, they took away all of my hope that I have anymore.

I don't feel things really after that first quarter, especially then whenever, you know, I had just a little bit left in the second. I was like, oh, they're fighting. Things can change just to get even more destroyed the second half. So, you know, it's fine. If I drank, I'd probably still be drunk at this point from the weekend I've been having. But, you know, it is what it is. And speaking of been lost, that is where I am this week,

11-hour drive yesterday. So I'm having a fantastic weekend going into Monday. Just a fun time. Oh, yeah. Let's talk about fun times. Before I lose my mind into this microphone and lose every subscriber that we have, I just want to point out that Jacob and I will be facing off against one another in the Foot Clan League

that was really like the third league any of us ever joined in Dynasty ever still going strong the last time Jacob and I met someone died on the field in the finals that year and we are both praying that we do not see a repeat of this scenario

the last time we faced off in the final something tragic happened and I don't know but if it happens again we may have to ban one ban us from facing off in this league together in the finals forever.

It just might happen. Wait, what's like the black magic voodoo there if you, if I am facing you and Jacob in the Scott Barrett invitational finals next week? Am I going to go die on the field? Like I don't know how that. No,

I don't like the idea of that transferring over to a matchup I'm involved in. You didn't tell me this. before I join this league with you, Thomas. I think it's just this one. Because Jacob and I have played each other in other finals. We're in the home league finals last year. Him and I usually end up in at least one finals against each other every single year, just combined with all the leagues that were in together.

This one specifically is the only one where someone had died. And considering how cursed he is in this league, this is the league that for five straight years he's made the finals, and he has lost every single one of them. He is currently the Buffalo Bills. Like he cannot win in the finals in this league. And the last time he was here, someone died. Like, the NFL is trying everything they can to stop Jacob from winning a finals in this league.

And I'm just hoping I'm the beneficiary once again of his inability and his curse. But let's talk about curses. Let's talk about horrendously tragic bad beats. it's the home league the league that we care about more than anything else on this planet no other league matters

to this level everyone here is from Winnipeg we get together every year in person to do the rookie draft we did the entire draft life when this kicked off it has been the only league that has a punishment

and boy punishment is rough rough for the person that has to partake. I have never partaken. I went in thinking Anjoku was not going to play. But I played Pat Firemuth at Tidon, thinking,

he'd get an end zone shot. Nope. Arthur Smith's homie got the touchdown down at the goal line. So with four points, I was like, okay, I can recover from this. This is no problem.

So Njoku, he sits on my bench. turns out I needed 20 points from McMillan to advance once again to the home league finals I had no hope of this happening none I just didn't want it to be within 10 well the end of the half McMillan scores

and ends up with 10 I think it was like 10.15 fantasy points so now my heart is broken now I have to win I didn't want it to be within 10 now I'm within 10 now this is on me with the Injoku thing. So now, just don't let me get close.

And what happens? Deep ball, full send, Yolo from Baker Mayfield into the end zone. That he has in his hands. And it is ripped away. Like my chances at the finals,

ripped from my chest. Brady just, just taken from me. Because McMillan couldn't get the 50-50 ball call. that was it. That was the 10-point play. That was a 50-yard, one point for the reception,

six yards for the touchdown, I win the game. And then, and then, let's not forget, okay, McMillan has a chance at the end of the game. Driving the field, second last drive, it's a McMillan drive.

Peppered. I'm thinking, okay. We got an opportunity. He's getting the targets. No Shepherd. Evans dropping the ball. He needs one more drive, and I don't know if he can get it. C.D. Lamb catches the football.

We're going to talk about him. We're talking about C.D. Lamb after this. But guess what? He goes down. The Bucks get the ball back. Oh, my God. McMillen time. He's for sure going to be able to get me three fantasy.

points on this drive. He did not, because Baker Mayfield did Baker things, and the Bucks did Bucks things and had not Bucky Irving on the field, which we'll also talk about. Rashad White fumbles the ball away in the most hilarious fashion possible.

I lose 15098 to 147. 38 in a game that I shouldn't even have had a chance and everything lined up. Home League taken from me. Taken from me. another opportunity for the finals from back-to-back years

as a one-time champion of that league. It would have been Jacob and I one more time taken from me. You guys want to talk about CD-Land? Let's talk about CD-Land for a minute because in a league where I am the

back-to-back champion, going for the three-peat. Now, I have lost Chris Godwin. I have lost Dack Presque. I am managing the shit out of this team. Coach speech is at halftime. Okay, we're installing the game plan. I'm out there

like MCDC. All right. I'm doing the updowns with the players. Okay, I'm in the practice. I'm hitting the bags. Really installing a good culture for this championship winning squad. All I need is CD Lamb for like 18. Okay? I think it was 18. Ryan, can you double check how many points

that CD Lam score here in this last game? I think he scored 17. 17.5. He had 17 and a half ppr points, okay? So I needed roughly 19 and a half points. Okay, I'm not great with math, and I'm really amped up right now.

So what am I thinking? Easy win. He's killing them the whole game. I'm talking shit in the chat. I'm talking about the three p. I'm ready to go. Okay, we're Kobe Bryanting a three Pete, MJ, right?

We are hitting peak level fantasy start. him with this league. Turns out, C.D. Lamb catches a ball and goes down on the half inch line. Half inch line hurts a shoulder. You can see it. You can see he's shaking his head.

No. He's taking himself off the field. He's talking to the dot. Half inch line. Then the Zeke touchdown. This is where the, this is the crossover. Right? This is the Marvel cinematic universe crossover

for fantasy football bad beats with Ryan and I. I had CD and doubt along that team, by the way. So either way, it would have been cool with me, but. So I'm losing it. Not working. I'm freaking out. All right.

Aaron, my wife, he's like, no, he scored. It's like, he's down. I knew it immediately. You know, you just know, like everyone else is celebrating. It shows up on sleeper as a touchdown. I was like, it hit. I'm pacing now. I'm losing my mind.

But I'm thinking, he's got all half. He can catch like two passes, three passes at half. Guess what? Doesn't play the third quarter. And I can feel it in my bones. He's not coming back out.

Now I'm tilted. Losing it. But he comes back out in the fourth quarter. Gets a pass thrown to him, pass interference. That catch, by the way, would have won me the game. That would have been it. Just needed him to catch that football.

And then on the last drive that the Cowboys had. So I guess second last, technically if you count the kneel downs, He catches one ball and all he has to do is just run a little bit and get the first down. If he makes that a 10-yard catch, a little bit more than a 10-yard catch, we win the game. I lose this game 178-74 to 176-26. The touchdown alone would have put me one point ahead to win the game. Now, you might be thinking, Tom, there's no possible way.

there is a third bad beat from the same Sunday night football game. Nana! We have one more. Coming back, I'm down big time. To one of the people who I talk about in this podcast is being the best fantasy player I've ever played against is DeBaradocs. He and I are going toe to toe. It's me versus the Mormon missile.

We are just absolutely budding heads all year in this league. And what do I need? Mike Evans and Bucky are of, There's no possible way These guys don't score like 35 fantasy points. All right, this is the Cowboys. Mike Evans chasing the record. A couple of drops and horrific throws by Baker Mayfield.

Mike Evans, he's not going to get there. But guess what? We need nine points, 11 points in the second half after Bucky carried the bucks on his back. My guy, Bucky, highest on the show all year on Bucky. This is my dude.

He's carrying me to the finals. Doesn't touch the ball in the last nine minutes of the game because it's Rashad White's our two-minute drill guy. And the clock just didn't work out that way. Mike Evans drops a deep ball. God's absolutely rocked. Like totally not his fault. Like that was an insane hit.

Shout out the safety too. Clean hit. Unbelievable play. I lose this game 184.72 to 18082. Three of the worst bad beats I've ever experienced in this game stemmed from the same Sunday night football game. I'm not emotionally okay. I'm not okay.

That was one of the most tragic endings. And after all this, I'm thinking, we got another drive. Again, same magic. in two separate leagues you're thinking the bucks have the ball back. This drive alone could take me to the finals in two leagues. I am on edge standing up, losing my mind. First play and Rashad White fumbled the ball. I'm sorry, but Bucky takes that pass for 20 yards.

Like, no one near him, Bucky's more elusive, he catches that ball, and he does not fumble. He makes the first guy miss. because Rashad White can't make anybody miss. I can't handle it. I'm not okay. Three of the worst bad beats I've ever experienced. So for every fantasy individual in a space, let's not forget to talk about the bad ones,

not just the good ones. And speaking of bad beats, speaking of the Scott Barrett, Danny Kelly, invitational, Jacob and I have been in first almost the entire year and have not made a single way, claim mostly because we do not know how because it is on MFL and neither of us want to sign in to that website that that was the other half of the reason I was hoping we meet in the finals because

I have also not made a waiver claim in that league the entire year for the exact same reason so it would be pretty funny if we both made it we have not had a second quarterback for most of this year we've been relying on Will Levis like yeah and a 17 and a half points per game for like a five-game stretch was clutch this year. Clutch for us. We have lost Chris Godwin. We have lost Rishi Rice. And yet, we survived.

We persevered. We needed Mike Evans. Versus Baker Mayfield, we thought there's no way. There's no way Baker goes off without Mike. Well, not so great showing from Mike Evans. Now, granted, Baker didn't go off. It did a lot better than he should have. And now we're a half a point up on our opponent, and we have Juan Johnson versus Romeo Dobbs.

We are about to experience another heartbreaking loss for a team that has no business losing. Simply because we got James cooked. I believe we have Taylor as well. Like we had the game from a running back. and it doesn't mean anything. Like, I can't, I can't tell you. I can't tell you how much I hate this game sometimes. And as Lucas has typed in to the private chat, when I say check in on your loved ones,

even if you don't know that they need it, stole the words right from my mouth, Lucas. Like, that is exactly what, what this conversation. I needed to talk about it. This is my therapeutic session today. This isn't like a ha-ha-ha-ha-he-he-f funny-tie type show. we're not cracking jokes. All right. I'm crying on the inside.

It's not great. So I'm hoping. I'm praying. If you were a loved one is fading Romeo Dobbs in your fantasy semifinals, you may be entitled to financial compensation. I talk so much shit about this guy. Like, I talked so much shit about Romeo Dobbs and he's going to end my year in that league after

dominating all season. I can't I've had to tolerate all the match chatter I've had to tolerate just an obscene amount of time spent on MFL let's just not even forget trying to figure out how to draft on MFL like this website is built for DOS

it's not built for 2024 okay um terrible it like just awful we need the Juwan Johnson out of nowhere touchdown this this this like tonight so when this releases on Tuesday

just know that I've already been crying in a hole in the ground that I have dug outside with an excavator because the ground is frozen I needed extra push um willing to just dive into it I'm gonna be not well not well um I'm really impressed with how calm our group chat has been for the show in preparing for this like Thomas didn't give any of this away

as we were talking about what we were going to talk about for this show. So I'm really impressed by that, but it's worth it to hear all just as you're processing these feelings. I've kept it internal. I've kept it internal. I've kept it internal. I didn't put it all over Twitter.

I didn't. I was sent some screenshots, but there were, yeah, Brian knew some of it. You kept it under wraps mostly. I had to, I had, I, I think I actually would have been in prison. Like, I think, I think, yeah, I think murder would have been on the table. I had to get it out.

At least the Ravens one. Yes. Yeah. Suck on that, Herms. Enjoy that. Hold that L. Fun facts about that Ravens game. It's only the first time since like 2019.

Lamar Jackson has played the Steelers twice in the same season. Because that dude is constantly hurt slash sick. This is also the first time he's played them at home since 2020. he always plays them on the road and he never gets to see their defense twice and that's what happened when you got to pretty pretty cool also i just want to point out for everyone blaming him for the interception that he threw his first legit pick of the year that didn't hit his receiver's hands by the way there's a video of todd munkin screaming at bateman from up top for stopping his route he goes baby baby baby baby what are you doing

So if the OC is wondering what the hell Bateman is doing, you can imagine Lamar Jackson's a prize when he threw a perfect dime to Minkin Fitzpatrick. Watch us take it right past him. It was a terrible decision, mind you, like, let's not. But per the data suite, I was looking today. And Lamar Jackson has the lowest turnover worthy throw rate in the league. That's insane when you consider he's just throwing yeat balls downfield. number one average per attempt and then his a dot is fourth i believe like it's it's actually

kind of crazy but that being said let's take a break i need a breath um now that we've gotten that out i'm sweating um ryan we're going to talk about what you just dropped here i think it's an interesting call classic classic decision to pick up pick up the player facing the team you just played for it's just like a classic near but we're going to take our first break. And when we come back, we are going to dive into some players that we don't know what to do with per se for next year. Sit tight. At Desjardin, we speak business.

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Business. We might as well talk about it. It's not going to be breaking news, I guess, by the time this comes out. But the Texans have claimed Deiante Johnson, which I think they needed anybody. They needed a body. And now Deontay Johnson is about to put up. 27 fantasy points this week against the Baltimore Ravens, probably. Interesting decision.

I don't mind it. Definitely a place he can get on the field. If anyone's wondering, no, I won't be playing him. But it's an opportunity for him. If they actually put him on the field, if he actually decides he's going to go into the game, he has clearly been a problem everywhere he's gone. Like, it's so clear.

Every team just gets rid of him. So as much as fantasy Twitter loves this man, and trust me, I was playing him when he was on Carolina. He was pushing. He was the wide receiver won on a lot of my teams in that time. Like, let's be real. Now it's, again, just Adam Thielen, who's unstoppable, apparently. Running the slowest routes imaginable, but always being open is insane. It's me versus, you know, all my hammered uncles on Christmas.

like I'm somehow separating with no athleticism, but it looks good when it happens. But truly an interesting landing spot could end up finding his way back there on a cheap prove-it deal with digs and, oh my God, Tankdale. I'm gutted for Tankdale. That was horrendous.

Speaking of, I put him in one lineup this week in his versus Dynasty Points Market Report co-host, Andy Buckler, who, by the way, way, Buck, you get absolutely dog walked, whooped his ass thoroughly. It's going to be like 244 to 180. So hold that. But Dell helped me get there in that league. He scored the touchdown and died for it.

Like his career could have ended, basically, for that touchdown. And just for that tank, I want to say thank you. And I hope your recovery goes well. shall I win this finals? I will send flowers. Much love to you for that. Also,

what the, what was the guy doing? Diving for that ball? I, can we stop having teammates take out the knees of their own players this year? I'm over it. Actually, Tankdale actually

looked good. He was cooking the chiefs. absolutely dominating them. Every time he touched the ball, super open, CJ Stroud, hitting them perfectly. CJ Stroud actually looked like

rookie year Stroud some of that game, and it was mostly when targeting Tankdale. And then the knee blows up and Tankdale's season. And then next year, I'm never drafting him again, probably. Like, it's got to be over. They're drafting someone,

signing another free agent doing anything. This is a team that's been motivated to add receivers in the past. Now they're going to be double motivated to add them. And you got big time free agents that are possible.

Everyone's putting T. Higgins everywhere, but I mean, if you're Houston, you've got to be putting in a phone call, right? Devonte Adams potentially, like, I don't know, dude. I'll put it this way with Dell. he is he's a five foot seven or whatever receiver however small he is that weighs whatever 170 pounds or whatever it actually is who is now quote unquote injury prone and that's not

just in terms of how the fantasy community season that is now officially how the NFL is going to see him so this is going even if in the best case scenario i expect nothing from him in 2025 if he makes like a miraculous comeback on the final year of his rookie deal in 26. Yeah, this is career altering in terms of what he's going to ever be able to command on the open market. And also in terms of what his dynasty value is ever going to be. So I'm not really interested in buying Tank Dell as a rebuilder or anything.

Like, yeah, theoretically, you can buy him very cheaply now and maybe. get fantasy production in 2026, but I think I'd just rather not touch him and draft him in 2026, like in redraft and in startups, honestly, once everyone has kind of forgotten about him and move past, because that's what's happening. There will be no, like, we're leaving a candle on for Tank Dell if the Texans bring in somebody else, which they're incredibly likely to do it, and obviously have already done with Deontay Johnson. So, yeah, I mean, great. player incredibly efficient rookie season i think he has a lot of talent he's definitely capable of scoring fantasy points uh but it's the odds that he does so at any point in the near future are just

so slim that it he's kind he's kind of close to like a roster clogger honestly now in dynasty is how i would view him yeah whenever we're talking about storing like insulated value by putting players they were on the IR on your roster and then waiting until next season for your rebuilding teams for the teams that you're wanting to lower your max points for as low as possible unfortunately this just isn't the archetype that we're looking at yes sure players who are coming off of a single ACL injury fine but at this point with the way that looked and i'm no doctor by any means, but that was just, oh, it was so tough to watch. And for somebody who was legitimately winning people leagues and for a lot of

dynasty teams, wherever you're picking him in late, second, early third of your rookie drafts last year, like really changing the outlook of how you're evaluating your team moving forward, thinking you have this diamond of rough, thinking you have a set wide receiver two, luxury wide receiver three for your team, and maybe potentially moving on from your rebuild onto competing. This just kind of reset all of that. I don't know if I'm moving fully into roster clogger, but I think Ryan's closer to being right than us realistically expecting for

a tank tell to, you know, come back and end up being like a wide receiver two, wide receiver three for your teams. It's, it is really tough. And even if you do take him on, like say you're sending out, I don't know, a third round pick or you have like Nick Chubb, on your roster and you're sending out Nick Chub for him because I don't know why you would, but let's just say you do that. I don't know if you're really going to be able to get any more value than that,

wherever you flip him for in 2026, potentially or inserting him into your roster. Going to try to make a financial thing here, so or reference. So Ryan, please correct me if I'm wrong here. But it's like whenever you're just like buying like a government issued bond. It's like, okay, he's going to be worth more in 2026. is at this moment because we're all looking at him as a dead asset. But is that really going to meet, you know, the inflation levels of the rest of the market, wherever you're ready to, like, actually get something from him in 2026? I don't, I don't really see that as something feasible.

I think if you're going to be taking this gamble, you want to be doing them elsewhere. Yeah, I don't even see Tank Dell as like a safe, low upside, safe return, like T-bill type of guy where you buy a government bond because he can go to zero. Like you're buying bonds that have like a C rating if you're buying Tank Dell. Because yeah, it can be preseason of 2026 and he's not making progress. And oh, oops, he like his dynasty value is completely dead now. That's a scenario we can find ourselves in. This isn't a player where at the example you gave of like a clean ACL tear or whatever,

where we know about how long it's going to take. We know he's going to be on the field again. I don't think we can take that for granted with Tank Dell, frankly. Yeah, because as I said, there's so many other things the Texans can do in that time. And he has to hit the parlay of them not doing that. And also him coming back from the injury and not getting injured again, like, it's just very tough. It's kind of like, honestly, kind of reminds me of how we. would have been talking about John Mechie a couple of years ago or whatever the timeline on that is.

Yeah. Like was anyone excited to like buy the upcoming spike on John Mechie going into this year? No. I would think of it fairly similarly. Yeah. He's toast to me. He's just, I'm not going to make a bet. I don't care how cheap he is, really.

He'd better be a last pick of the draft. I don't know. I'm sorry, but I can't do it. I would send I would send Nick Chubb for him. That's fine. But yeah, it's like it's a roster clock. The guy with a broken foot now also ending his season for the second year in a row as an aging running back.

Yeah, absolutely. I would I would also send him for that as well. Let's talk about some players that we have no idea what to do with in 2025. And I want to start with Jonathan Taylor. I want to start with Taylor. See, last year Jonathan Taylor was a third round startup pick from the months of May. all the way to the end of August, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, I'm sorry, he was a second round startup pick in 2023.

Second round, RB4 in that time from May 1st, 2023 to August 31st, 20203. Second round, start a pick. And he's about to have an insane finish to his season. three straight matchups where this man can go crazy. However, it's important note the rest of the season for him. He has only hit 20 fantasy points twice. He has 19 a couple of times. If he doesn't score, you're a sad panda.

If he doesn't score from far away, it's way worse. Because Anthony Richardson, they're running the power quarterback. that they need to do for him to be successful. Catching passes with Anthony Richardson, forget about it. He averages won a game. Not great. So what you have now is a currently 25,

going to be 26-year-old running back, who's had two separate high ankle sprains and has clearly game-breaking ability when he holds on to the football when he crosses the goal line. And he also has absolute busts. ability. This sounds like every other running back, but there's no past catching happening here. And I don't think Anthony Richardson is going anywhere. I think he's the week one starter next year. So I don't know, guys, it was E.TN a few years ago, right, where ETN had a couple of good games

to start the year. Not a couple. He had quite a few. Good games to start the year. And then he was absolutely ass for the stretch of, you. games after the buy week, and then in the championship week, he goes nuts in a good matchup, and it boosts his ADP stock to the fourth round, leading me to launch an absolute smear campaign against him for the entire offseason, not just on our channel, but at South Harmon Fantasy Football and multiple other podcasts, where they brought me in to be the talk shit about Travis E.T.N. guy. and it really stems from fantasy managers remember players more fondly

if they help you win championships. They're willing to forget the mid-season low and bad games or poor games or poor outputs, whatever. Because he didn't have like awful games, but let's be honest. If he wasn't scoring, it was 12 and then he had 17 because he caught the one ball at the goal line. It's actually kind of a nice tiptoe job where he scored 17. And then two and a half points, seven, 16, eight.

And then the 19 coming back from injury against Houston because he scored. He caught one pass for 12 yards. Like it just, that's his season, 19, 27, then 15, 10. And then he had the injury as well. They're going to be willing to forgive all of that RB2ism. it's really what he was it's an RB2 if he goes out

he already nuked versus tennessee he's going to nuke the giants and then he gets a week 18 matchup against jacksonville just go nuclear these three games i think are going to be enough to keep his ADP up and i don't know what to do with it

there's only been a handful of players and they're usually named once with jonathan taylor once it's usually nick job derrick henry and then insert some other player every once in a while that hits RB 1 in points per game and expected fantasy points per game

with you don't catch 35 passes in a year. If you do not hit that mark, there's like three guys that hit that in a season. Three to five. One of them's pretty much done with his career now in Nick Chubb and the other guy's name is Derek Henry. Sequin Barclay is about to do it, but that's kind of the obvious point of comparison.

Yeah. Really not going to catch 35 passes. Uh, he, he has 37 targets on the season. I don't have his receptions in front of me, but he's got 31 receptions. He could hit 30. Pretty close. But yeah, either way. But he might not.

That's not how he's storing his fantasy points regardless. Right. So like, there's, there's outlier guys every once in a while, right? Taylor was one of those outlier guys in the year he was the RB1. Uh, actually think he actually think he caught 35 passes that year. Let me go double check that right now. I think like with he is Jonathan Taylor. You did.

Go ahead. So with Jonathan Taylor, and just running backs coming off, like going into age 26 season and beyond, they historically just do not ever regain value. It's always going to be going downhill year after year. Not to mean that they can't have production, but just the way that we view them as a fantasy community, they always go down. There's only two running backs who have ever gone up before this season, because I'm sure Sequin Barclays ADPs would go up after this just ridiculous year.

but before this year it was Derek Kinnery has done it and Austin Echler has done it, raising their value after age 25. So we don't have a good track record of it. That being said, I think that the lesson learned that we can take from Sequin Barclay this season is that really talented running backs can still score you points. I think we are coming off of a time where we had a prime buying window before he's going to go on this ridiculous run at the end of the season. Maybe you could have bought him last week after he cost a couple of people some wins in

leagues by dropping that ball before he scored. But, you know, say, Labie. So I think, though, if you get a chance to buy him without having to ridiculously overpay, I'm willing to do it. But he's not somebody that I'm saying you must get, even with, like, what the, he's going to do. And I'm also not saying you must avoid. I think that he's still a really good player.

You want good players on your team. And who knows his situation could change at any point in time. That quarterback position is not set for the Colts heading into next season. So I think that there's a really good chance that we could potentially flip the script on him, get a player who's superbly talented, more workload, more opportunities, and that's somebody I want on my roster. Here we go. I found the data.

I found the data. We talked about this on the Jackson Bay's Market Report like three weeks ago. I had to go and look for it. In 2021, there are two running backs of finishes and RB 1 in points per game and expected fantasy points per game with fewer than 35 receptions. And expected fantasy points points. It was Dalvin Cook who had 34. And fantasy points per game was Dalvin Cook with 34 and Nick Chub with 20.

In 2020, is Derek Henry with 33, Nick Chub with 27 and fantasy points per game. And expected, it was Henry again. Jonathan Taylor made that list with 28 receptions. And Damien Pierce just missed it at 13th. He was 0.3 expected fantasy points for game off of tying Taylor pretty much with 30 receptions. So Damien Pierce is one of those guys that Damienneur made the list. In 2023, it was Kiron Williams with 32. Mostert had 25.

HN at 27. Taylor had 19. He only barely made the 10 games. This is minimum 10 games. He barely made that threshold. He just barely beat out James Connor and Pacheco by point. 0.01 and 0.02 respectively. And expected fantasy points per game, it was Kyron Williams at 19.4.

Taylor was 15th in 2020, on that same list. And heading in, oh, hold on, and heading into the game in 2024, that he caught the touchdown pass down at the goal line, I mean, Richardson is scoring more inside the five. I haven't updated this data yet, I wasn't expected expecting to talk about these data points here on this one.

But like AR is scoring the touchdowns inside the five and inside the 10. It's AR. You need what long 15, 20, and it's in his profile. This is what Andy was arguing with me, not arguing when we were talking about it. Yes, it's in his profile,

but you're not predicting them. They're not sticky. Yes, it's in his profile and being a long touchdown score is important. Lamar could score from any point. in the field on any play. We're not baking it into a prediction. A lot of running backs, if not all running backs,

can house a ball. Chris Johnson and his prime can house it on any touch. It's not in a projection. That's not being weighed into his ADP. In my opinion, it shouldn't anyway. So now we're looking at a running back that doesn't catch passes and needs to score, for the most part, from like 15 or more, even 10 or more.

And it's just not projectible. Brian? Yeah, so I want to pull this back to like the Saquan-Barkley comparison, the Derek Henry comparison, because I will say I think we do a little bit of a disservice to say running back can't catch passes, has a mobile quarterback, not interested in fantasy, after the year that Sequin Barclay and Derek Henry to a lesser extent have just had. So I do want to engage with this a little bit. the problem is with Jonathan Taylor that for a running back of his archetype to put up that type of season,

you kind of have to hit the perfect parlay of team environment and conditions to make it happen. So number one, the running back has to be supremely talented. I think Taylor meets that threshold. Taylor's unreal. Yeah, he's amazing, right? Would not dispute that at all. Barclay and Henry obviously both meet that threshold as well, would never have argued that even before the season. But the other stuff you need is you need a team that is in position where they're leading constantly, right?

Barclay and Henry this season have been two of the most game script sensitive players in the NFL. In games that their teams are leading big, they score a ton of fantasy points, they get fed a ton of touches, they eventually break, wake off multiple long touchdowns, right? That's kind of the formula for dramatically overperforming your expected fantasy points, which is the goal line touches and the targets that they're not getting as much, to overperform it on just these normal between the 20s carries. Yeah, you need to be in that perfect environment where you have incredible run blocking, the Eagles and Ravens offensive lines, have performed as top three to top five units for the

entire season. The Colts O line is not bad, certainly. I feel I get scared talking about the cults as a team without Jacob on the show. I'm sure he'll get take issue with something I say here when he listens to this later. But the cults are a decent to average offensive line, I would say. Yeah, maybe good, but yeah, decent to average. The defense is nowhere near what certainly the Eagles is or what the Ravens has been at times. And with Henry and the Ravens, a lot of them leading a lot was just Lamar Jackson having the most efficient season of his career and absolutely dunking on teams in the first half.

And Henry can just kind of salt away the second halves. That was a lot of his big scores. It wasn't even like the Ravens were shutting teams down and they're grinding it out slowly. It was, oh, Lamar scored three touchdowns in the first 20 minutes of the game. And now it's Derek Henry time, right? or so Derek Henry houses it on the first play of the game against Buffalo scores and gets you there and it's like all right well that's what I needed yeah exactly but so yes it is Jonathan Taylor capable of having a season like that over the next two to three year he's under contract

for two more years yeah totally that's in the range of outcomes but if we're sitting here and talking about him as a dynasty pick where he's if you tell me he has a second round or a third round startup ADP going into this year, I would just rather spend that second or third round startup pick on Saquan Barclay, which I think is also, I imagine Barclay will go higher than Taylor in startups, but I don't think it's going to be that big of a difference. If I'm betting on that profile,

on that set of circumstances, I'd rather bet on the one that I know just happened, right? We know the Eagles just had one of the best offensive lines, one of the best defenses in the league, and Barclay literally did it for the entire season. So why would I, it's just so much different to me. There's a chasm in terms of likelihood of another season like that happening between a Barclay and a Taylor, like enough that I, and again, not that I love betting on this archetype or love drafting older running backs early in startups or anything like that. But if that's the path you want to take, I think you clearly do. just do it with Barclay and move up to where you need to and the startup to do it with him

rather than with Jonathan Taylor where, yeah, there's just so much uncertainty around this team and how they're going to be building it going into next year. That we're, yeah, we're not going to know. It's, yeah, it's just, I will probably have no Jonathan Taylor in startups at all next year. If I had to guess. I just feel like it's important to point out. You'd be like, well, in 2023, yeah, he was drafted in the second round. yeah, why would we worry about the

2023 startup? Well, I'll tell you why. He had a down year. It's the RB 33. He got hurt. This is the ankle sprain. Anthony Richardson's rookie year turned into Gardner, Minchu.

He, you know, he caught some passes down the stretch. We're thinking things are great. He had some insulation. He didn't fall that far. He was drafted as the RB5 at the beginning of the third round. towards the middle of the third round drafted ahead of

again previously mentioned Travis Etyn talk about glowing lights for a player ETN gained ADP to prove my point ETIN went sorry no he lost no he did gain ADP we went to the RB6 in the end of the third round instead of the fourth round

simply because of the end of the year that he had so that completely hits on the point that I made at the beginning of the show and then Barclay when it's RB 7

at the end of the third round between May 1st and August 31st of 2024. Taylor is about to get the same bump at the end of the year as ETN did

and now there's kind of the running back renaissance if you would that could probably it's probably going to I don't know about up his ADP

but keep his ADP where he's at sure you got to expect Christian McCaffrey, he's out. Brees Hall, he's going to fall in ADP. 100% he's going to fall. So I think Taylor could be up in the second round.

I think Barclay's locked in to be in the second round. A. Chan's going to be in the second round. He was a fourth round ADP from May 1st to August 31st and 2024, according to Dynasty Data Lab. I mean, I don't know what to do with them. I think I'm going to end up passing on him. but on agent no no no on

oh sorry last name you said gotta defend the honor of my boy there I think I think he's the I think he's the redraft 101 next year yeah I think I think that's totally fair but we like when I say I don't know what to do with them we laid out every I think range of outcome for Jonathan Taylor

and we went a little deeper than I thought we were ever going to get it into. But that's the case. We know what he is. We've seen what he is. We've seen what he is in this offense. So I think he's going to move up. I don't totally know what to do with him. He's going to go berserk. But we literally, we've seen this before now, even the last from 2023 into 2024. Now we're going to see it again at the 2024 and into 2025. That being said, let's hit a quick break. We're going to speed run a couple of players and we're going to play a little a game called higher or lower that we like to hit at the end of every year, not as big of a deep

dive, obviously, because we want to keep this pretty short for people. And then I just want to talk about some holiday stuff before we get out of here. So sit tight. All right, gentlemen, let's talk about higher or lower on a couple of players that we kind of talked about in season quite a bit. obviously my DMs are nonstop about Jackson Smith and Jigba. JSN having a very good year and a very down year for wide receivers. You can at me, that's factual.

But to say the least, the breakout has been interesting to see. And you can see why, DK pulling three players at a time, just when Gino looks at him for some reason, It's like teams are unaware that JSN is cooking them and they're just continuously leaving them and still thinking that D.K. is like the big problem. He's not. But let's talk about higher or lower

than wide receiver 8 off the draft board. You're wondering where wide receiver 8 went last year. It was AJ Brown at the end of the second round. You had Garrett Wilson, Puka, Marvin. Ammonra, Chase, Lamb, and Jefferson ahead of them, higher or lower on JSN than wide receiver 8

next year in 2020 25? I know I would be lower than wide receiver 8, but in terms of where will he actually get drafted? I mean, I think there I think there's seven guys

that are very locked in to go ahead of him. So like Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Puka, Lamb, neighbors, Nico, Amonra, I would say are all blocks. I think Brian Thomas Jr. will go ahead of him. So yeah, that's eight right there. I would say lower than wide receiver eight is where he'll be going. Okay. Lucas?

I mean, same. I don't know if there's really a path for him to be wide receiver eight start at the season. Just with how many good wide receivers there are, more wide receivers that fit that traditional. outside role that fantasy managers just absolutely love. And then also, you know, with the year that so many of these rookies have had, I think that that's, you know, going to solidify them. He doesn't make those, like, sort of like highlight worthy type plays all the time to even, like, drum up his stock, like, even more just from, you know, being able to watch those replays during the offseason. So I don't, I don't really see him sneaking that high up.

up. I think that he's probably going to be between wide receiver 10 and wide receiver 12. And I don't know. I think if I have to draft him at that point, I'm going to be punting on him in a lot of my startups. Okay. I think all that's fair. I'm going to call it over. Over, if not at wide receiver 8.

I think Garrett Wilson's out of the top 8 by in ADP next year, the season he's had, which is a shame. Thanks, Aaron Rogers. AJ Brown, I think, is going to fall out. You got Tyree Kill at 9. Yes, Neighbors is going to be up. But Marvin? Marvin could fall out of the top 10.

I think he should fall out of the top 10. When you look at BTJ, who's going to be in the top 10 and neighbors. I think 8 is probably his sweet spot. I was the one in the pod that said he'll finish in the top 12. I think he's going to finish above that, especially with a couple weeks here left to go. He's going to set the, I believe he's going to set the C-Haw. receptions record. Like, I, I think he'll be a little bit overdrafted, but I think eight and then maybe nine is

probably right where he's going to be. I could buy nine. I can't buy him going over any of the names I listed, and I listed eight names. Okay. Okay. So eight, nine. Nine, I could see. Okay.

I still would not take him at nine, but yeah. Okay. Let's talk about another wide receiver real quick here. He's averaged 16 points per game with Russell Wilson. it feels like Russell Wilson is going to be the quarterback on the Steelers next year. George Pickens in the Dynasty in the Fantasy Points Dynasty Rankings chat. He is a hot topic. I traded him away for Josh Jacobs in this playoff run that I am on.

I need Josh Jacobs tonight. I'll need Josh Jacobs next week. And Pickens and a potential crash out is not something that I want to bet on personally. I'm a little lower on him. That's why I want to talk about him. Scott Barrett loves him Theo Griminger loves him Jacob Sanderson loved him

I'd love to hear how you guys feel about him he's a bit hit or miss to me over or under wide receiver 14 for George Pickens heading into 2025 you might wonder why 14 is important well that's where Brandon Ayuk

was going last year and immediately after him were guys like Rome Nico Devante Pittman Jr., DJ Moore, Zafla, Metcalfe, Tankdale, there's a pathway for him to jump a considerable amount of wide receivers to get there over or under wide receiver 14 for George Pickens. So I kind of see him at wide receiver 15 right now,

which makes me a little bit nervous. So I'm going to say the over, or he might even be exactly wide receiver 14. But that's not really somebody I want to be paying for a name brand JMO at this point. Like that's how I look at him so much of the time. I think we've seen the ceiling of George Pickens. And it's a fun ceiling, but that's not really something I want to be paying wider receiver at 14 for. And also, I think that Ladd-McColke might even be right tired than him going into next season. I think that that might be the name that will push him down past wide receiver 14.

but right now I'm going to say over, but I don't feel good about it. Okay. Ryan? Yeah, I'd rather have Ladd. Good example. I'm going to go under. I think he'll be drafted lower than 14 going into next year, and the reason for that is I think there's a decent chance to Steelers bring someone in in free agency. And in this offensive environment, incredibly run heavy with Arthur Smith,

that hurts Pickens a lot more than someone like a Ladd-McConkie. getting a second wide receiver just in terms of how he's going to project and how he's going to score fantasy points in 2025. I mean, I'm with the Scott Barrett's and the Jacobs on Pickens as a player at this point. I've bent the knee. I've come around. Yeah, he's awesome. All of his peripheral numbers actually look good now too for kind of the first time in his career, top 12 yards per outrun. He's gotten incredibly unlucky in terms of touchdown scoring this year. So I do think he's capable of having like a big season, but I'd be more interested in buying after free agency,

I think just because then I will not feel like there's this big downside risk to him in the short term that I think is not really priced in with how people are currently viewing him. I like that. I'm going to go under as well. I think he's going to go pretty low, not pretty low,

but much lower. Nico's going to move up, right? Addison's having a banger year. We talked about JSN, lad and Brian Thomas Jr. are all going to go up. Xavier Worthy is probably going to see an uptick in ADP just off of a couple of games,

which Buck and I are going to talk about. We record on Thursday because I've had the charting team and Brett Whitefield gave me some notes on some of this Xavier Worthy stuff, and I found it very interesting, some stuff to look for with that. But I think T. Higgins is going to move way up. Higgins and Pickens went back to back.

I would say T. Higgins finishes around 14, especially if he gets the bag somewhere. That's very interesting, like a New England. I think he'll get a boost as well. Pickens is going to have a ways to go. These games hurt him. But I mean, like I said, Chris Alave, Waddle, Hill. A lot of receivers are going to move out of the top 12.

There's a pathway for Pickens, but it's going to be tight. So I'm mostly inclined to agree with you guys. And then lastly, the last player I wanted to talk about is Jameson Williams. Hot button topic on this podcast. He's been trashed here for years. I said it towards the beginning of the year. Well, I said when you're trading your first overall pick, you're going to kind of want a 14, 14.14.5 point per game, right?

A high-end wide receiver 3 into wide receiver 2. Guess what? Hovering right around where he is this year, almost at 1,000 yards. It doesn't totally mean a lot for fantasy, but it means a lot for a perception of a wide receiver. We don't know where the O.C. is going to go. I don't know if he's staying or not.

They're creating some of the most insane play. we've ever seen. He's basically going to be given the key to a city, given the GM role anywhere he goes pretty much, and said, save us. So let's talk about James and Williams, who last year,

this was the time to buy. He went his wide receiver 50 last year. That was the time to buy, like we talked about. Over or under, though, wide receiver 28. Next season. season. And you might wonder why wide receiver 28 is so specific. That is where Brian Thomas

Jr. went last year. I'm not picking these for no reason. Between May 1st and August 31st, so from the draft to the start of the year in the heavy startup season, Rishie Rice was wide receiver 32, keep in mind. Do we think Jameson Williams takes this semi-breakout season, if you would, that has included injury and suspension, because he can't get out of his own goddamn way. Wide receiver 28, higher or lower. I'll go to Ryan. This one's tough because I think a lot of it hinges on how we feel about whoever the new OC is, assuming there is a new OC. If Ben Johnson stays, I think he very will clearly go higher than that just because he's a young and explosive player and what we know is a good offense.

and that tends to be something people will draft in Dynasty. I might go lower, though. I would not be overly surprised if kind of the community perception around the lions takes like a bit of a 180 when Johnson leaves. It's really hard to know these things and hard to project that out because, yeah, we just have so little information. I will say if he's going below the wider C-WR-28, I would be decently interested in drafting him.

He's kind of the perfect guy to have in your flex where he will win you some weeks. He will, like he just did, he will score 20 fantasy points. He will have some weeks, at least in this version of the offense, where they don't scheme up enough looks or targets for him. And he has like four fantasy points. But yeah, that's kind of the perfect guy to have in your flex in like a start 10 Dynasty League. the value insulation is probably decent again because he's young but i mean i don't know like sam lapporte has been coming on a lot the last few weeks i think he's been playing through an injury for a good part of the season so that should maybe make you think twice about

jamo's consistent role in the offense but yeah i i'm going to guess he's going below 28 and I'm going to guess that I'll have at least a moderate amount of interest to where he ends up. Well, before I send it over to you, Lucas, since week 10, he has had 8 points, 24 and a half, basically 12, 24 and a half, oh, I said that 24 and a half, basically 12, 9.6, 13, 12.7, and then 28. He's, you're right, a perfect flex option. your you know your fifth wide receiver on your team with a potential blow up everything will change with ben jonson of course lucas over under quickly on this one so we can get out of here with some christmas stuff i i'm going to be rooting for the over uh i don't think he's going to quite get to

that point i'm looking at him and wide receiver 28 is such a good spot there's a lot of wide receivers there who are going to have like massive movement this off season and And the thing that gives me hope that it's going to be the over is I don't see a lot of rookies coming in and inflating, you know, that, you know, like wide receiver 18 to wide receiver 24 type range, where you start to see some of the sporadic first round picks land. So I'm going to still say over if Ben Johnson leaves, I do think that that's definitely going to be a hit. He might end up settling around wide receiver 31. But like said, I'm going to stick with over.

okay over is interesting a kind of a weaker rookie class for wide receivers right now which is kind of where I liked that line and again some some receivers falling out of favor for sure well before we get out of here let's talk about some holiday stuff

I want to hear your guys's favorite and least favorite things about food for the holidays it's a it's a hot topic it can get a little contentious if you would, by big word of the day. Didn't think I was capable of those YouTube comments section, but here we are.

Let's talk about it. Some of our favorite and least favorite, I want to start with Ryan. Let's go with least favorite. Okay, I won't say it's my least favorite because it's not, it's not like actively bad, and I don't have like a good suggestion to replace it,

but I don't think prime rib is like that good. I feel like prime rib gets a lot of hype for like a Christmas food. Like this is the centerpiece like Christmas dish. It's like fine. I eat prime rib once a year on Christmas. No other time am I ever like, man, I really want to eat some prime rib. Like it's just very salty. It's kind of, yeah, it's just not my favorite.

I also am not like a huge red meat person. So that might be part of where the steak is coming from too. But it's a shrug of the shoulders to me. Like I'm much more excited about like the mashed potatoes or like the deviled eggs or all the Christmas appetizers than I am to like eat the prime rib that I feel bad because it costs an ungodly amount of money every year. But yeah, I'm just it's a shrug for me. I'm ready for the comments. I should be like you just aren't eating it properly prepared, bro. I'm ready for that.

Lucas, let's get your least. Least is a little tough. I don't know if there's one specific one that's least. If it were Thanksgiving, I'd say it's a lot of hate something. I love a lot of things. You love everything. I'm going to say casseroles, just in general. Okay.

I am not a casserole fan. I understand that for people who like dairy and like cheese, smothering either vegetables or some other thing in an ungodly amount of cheese makes it to where it's easier to eat. And, you know, that's fun. But that's not my lifestyle. That's not for me. Even growing up in the South all of these years, I've never become a casserole fan.

I just rather eat actual vegetables and actual cheese on things that cheese is supposed to go on. Is this why I agree. This is a great take. Like, is this why I'm a casserole fan? I love anything with cheese on it, man. Like, I'm not a three bean cassero type guy, but you can make good casserole. out there. It's like wasting cheese though. Why would you not put

cheese on something that's good? Cheese on everything can make it good. Like there's a few things that cheese goes on that make it bad. I would say cheese on any vegetable is bad. Oh cheese and broccoli?

Come on, Ryan. Yeah, no. That's not. Oh, my God. All right. I would go with my worst and my worst might just be your guys's takes, but I'm going to go with marshmallows on anything that isn't hot chocolate. I'm sorry, but marshmallows suck. They're awful.

They are a giant ball of sugar, goopy texture. It's terrible. I heard for the first time in my life when Theo Gramager mentioned this in passing, people put it in potatoes. People put it in sweet potatoes. What? jail immediately prison Oh is this like a new thing for you Ryan?

Sweet potatoes makes like moderately more sense but I have never heard of that. It makes no sense. It's a dessert for one. I still would not eat it but it makes it at least makes moderate. That is horrific. That is a horrific thought

that we are going to put marshmallows in a dinner dish that isn't dessert. And then for the most part I don't know what they're called, but there's these little squares that people make. I don't know what they're called, all right, they're like caramel,

little squares, and they have nuts in them, but they put these multicolored marshmallows in it. Disgusting. Marshallows and anything that isn't just sprinkled on top of a little,

of a little bit of like hot cocoa, okay? Gross. Stop it. Stop trying to give it to me. I'm out. Smoors, maybe?

That's not really a Christmas. I don't think the, s'mores are like a camping thing. So that, like, doesn't count. But if you're, I would say, marshmallows belong on like cookies

like I feel like that's fine like a chocolate cookie Rice Krispy treats and hot chocolate But if you're gonna Yeah Well you need marshmallows for rice Rice Krispy treats so I don't count that's like a baking ingredient All right that's it's it's in the thing

That's what combines it that's different If you want to get into the technicality of it If you're gonna put marshmallows on a cookie Heat the fucking thing up put pieces of chocolate And call it a smore like just do the extra steps Don't just will just wheel nearly use it as a sprinkle topping. Like it's not

sprinkles on a cupcake. Like what are we? I can't do it. I can't do it. They're gross. Stop trying to give you marshmallows. Now let's move to the positive side so we can get out of here for not even for 2024 because we've got a New Year's Eve show. We've got to get ready for next week. But let's

let's talk about what are our favorite food traditions that we have for Christmas. I'll go back to Brian. Yeah, I already said my favorite actually. it's deviled eggs. It's just, they're the best. I'm not a... Deviled eggs. Okay. Devil's eggs are the only form in which I'll consume mayonnaise. I don't like mayonnaise.

I know I'm... Will Levis would be disappointed. Not a mayo guy. But it's just something about a deviled egg. It's like just salty enough. Sprinkle like some bacon on it. Oh, it's amazing. Are you a smoked paprika guy? Oh, yeah. On the top? Oh, yeah. Gotta have it. Yeah, I have the little. You like that, Lucas? I have the little. I do because you're supposed to eat.

doing it now for five minutes if I could No devil dags are a great call The comment section is going to get mad at me For interrupting you again But I truly don't mean it In the negative light I love devil legs

Aaron makes a mean Devil Deggs We have like a whole dish That's meant for them We got like you know if you guys have these But there's like six little spots for them I don't know She's a she's damn good at it

And I'm pro devil dags Lucas What's your favorite I think my favorite really just has to be like actually like making the holiday treats, whether it's cookies or, you know, snacks like baking your own checks mix or, you know, any sort of dessert, like actually like all getting around and doing that and then having some sort of like Christmas movie on in the background. Like, I don't know, that whenever we do that, that's whenever I feel like it's actually

Christmas season. And so I look forward to doing that every single year. I've kind of done that a little bit with my wife. before we got down here to the in-laws this year. So I think we're doing that tomorrow. I'm really excited for it, really looking forward to it. And then you get to eat all of it, which is even better. So Thomas, I think I have you be on largest person on the show at this point,

but it's mainly from the sweets, not from the cheeses. You're also like six foot five. Like you should be bigger. How tall are you? You like to breathe? Yeah. Yeah. And you're, you're, you're, you,

you're how big? 260. Yeah. I'm 5 foot 8, 241, brother. All right. I am a short, round fucking bowling ball

that you could push down a hill and it would take a tree to stop me because gravity wouldn't. Like, it's not pleasant to be my size. I have weight to lose. I have no excuse at 5 foot 8. Okay,

I'm short stocky. I retired from pro wrestling. All right, I'm allowed to let it go. I don't have to wear tights anymore. Let me enjoy. my food for a while. I'll talk about my favorite foods, and it's non-traditional Christmas foods.

I'm done with turkey. If I never ate turkey again, the rest of my life, I don't care if it's smoked, fried, I don't care. I'm good. I don't mind a turkey sandwich for the next four days that follows Christmas, but I'm done. I'll take a ham, fried rice, mint, Christmas type dish. Like it's awesome.

Fried rice is good for any time of the year. Make fried rice on Christmas Day as a side dish and realize how you've been missing out in your life. The ultimate though is crab rangoon. That is the Christmas dish. That is the side. When I go to my in-laws, when I go to my wife's parents,

there's always a massive dish. And it is a fight to see who can get through more crab rangoon than the others. We have festive crab rankoon t-shirts that we are known to wear on the holidays. We love this stuff. It's great. Hence why I'm 240 pounds. I look forward to it.

So that's my favorite foods. Try some non-traditional Christmas foods. Okay. Step outside the box. Do not fucking put marshmallows in it. And get away from the turkey and truly enjoy some wonderful Christmas foods. Don't fight on Christmas. stay away from that table.

It's a lot more fun sometimes to just enjoy the moment and not be involved in the argument. Watch some football and hang out with us. If you're watching this program, let us know in the comment section. If you agree or disagree with any of this, that being

said, gentlemen, we have a wonderful finals week coming up. I hope you guys crush it. I hope you do well. Ryan, I hope to see you in the finals. after the Monday night football game. I doubt it.

I'll be rooting for Juan Johnson for you. As long as it's not MVS, we're good. Take it. I would love that for the content, to say the least. There would be three members of the Dynasty Points podcast in that finals. As Jacob and I co-host, that team. I can't thank anyone enough for this year. We love and appreciate all of you for hanging out with us.

cannot wait for the New Year's show no idea what we're going to do for that. It'll also be pre-recorded and release because it's New Year's Eve, we love you guys but these guys have lives and want to do stuff. I don't. So blame them for the chat not

going and popping off. Let them know in the comments. Remember to check in on your loved ones. It is the holiday season. You don't know if they're tilting off their rocker about to walk into oncoming traffic or not because, you know, McMillan couldn't score three and a half more points.

Check in on your fantasy football loved ones. Check in on your family. Christmas is a wonderful time of the year, but it can also be a very sad time of year for a lot of people. So it's important to be aware of that and reach out. That being said, remember that clear eyes and full hearts can never lose in your best days. Or I spent tilting, especially when Netflix is buffering.

Good night, everybody.