Fantasy Football Daily - Fantasy Points Podcast | Dr. Mark Adickes

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

In this episode of The Fantasy Points Podcast, "The Guru" John Hansen and co-host Brian Drake are joined by Dr.Mark Adickes. The former Superbowl Champion turned surgeon breaks down the biggest injuries heading into the 2024 NFL season from Nick Chubb to Cooper Kupp. Later in the episode, John and Brian provide an early analysis of wide receiver and tight end values based on their ADP for the upcoming NFL season, offering valuable insights for fantasy football enthusiasts. Don't miss this dynamic discussion filled with expert advice and insider knowledge! Where to find us: httpp//twitter.com/Fantasy_Guru http://twitter.com/DrakeFantasy http://twitter.com/JockToDoc FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@fantasypts #fantasypoints #nfl #fantasyfootball #dynastyfantasyfootball #FantasyFootballAdvice #dynastypoints #dynasty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And we'll talk about Cooper Cup and guys that we're worried about a little bit. It's a kind of a light year in an off season for injuries where we cover the top 10 or 12 with Dr. Mark Addix. And then later on in the podcast, Brian Drake and I will go over the notable wide receivers and tight ends, whose ranking on my top 200 cheat sheet are very much different than the ADP out there on the interweb. So stay tuned for some good stuff. And as always, you're welcome.

All across the fantasy universe, welcome to the fantasy points podcast. I'm Brian Drake. The guru John Hanson will join me in a second. Folks, I hope you had a phenomenal 4th of July weekend. You're back to work with hopefully all your fingers and toes. The fireworks are behind us. The barbecues are done. Time to focus on what really matters during the summer months. And that's prepping for your fantasy football drafts. And there's no better place to do it than over at fantasy points.com.

Expert rankings, the gurus cheat sheets, offensive line breakdowns, dynasty strategy, so much more. Just go to fantasy points.com, sign up and let the data lead you to victory. All right, let's bring in the man, the myth, the legend, the guru, John Hansen. It's going to be a fun one today. We welcome in one of your good buddies, Dr. Mark Addix to the show, former first team All-American at Baylor, former Super Bowl champ with Washington. Now he's an orthopedic surgeon in Texas. And besides all that, John, he's a guy you spent nearly a decade with on DirecTV breaking down injuries. I'm excited to hear how you met Mark, maybe a little behind the scenes before we bring him in.

Oh, absolutely. Very much looking forward to it. you mentioned it's july now so it is in fact go time and we need to start really bearing down locking in preparing for the season one of those things one of the elements in play and involved is you know catching up on all the injured guys and who better to talk injured guys than the man as you mentioned there dr mark addicts who i work with for nine years at direct tv we spent nine years straight of 17 18 sometimes 19, I think football Sundays with them. So we'll bring them in now and we'll continue to pump them up here.

But Brian, just as I've always said, one of the greatest guys I've ever met when I've ever work with. Doc, what is up? How are you, sir? I'm doing great, man. The only thing we're missing is during the season I go on his radio show in Series XM and they've got a walk-on song for me, Dr. Fieldgood. And that would really make me feel right at home if you pull that one off your room. We will.

My bad for not getting that in there. You know, how about the music energizing you in the morning, though? I mean, that is totally puffs me up. Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll continue doing that here this year, Doc. But let's get quickly into your background before we get into your thoughts here. So obviously, I know your story. Your brother was a big time football player.

So kind of a football family. You're huge. You were obviously a great athlete. You had an unbelievable mullet. Let's talk about your journey here from the USFL to the NFL. Yeah, the hair is not playing what it used to be. Yeah, I missed that mullet, John. Thanks for bringing that up.

No, I mean, my dad was, so I'm an Army brat, right? So we're born, I was born overseas in Stuttgart, went back two years of high school, one in Berlin, one in Munich, and then we ended up at Fort Hood, Texas. So we got a little taste of Texas high school football. And then my brother and I both went to Baylor. We both, I think he made an All-American team as well. We both were all-Americans. We both went, he went in the fifth round.

I went in the first round of the supplemental draft. And he ended up with the Chicago Bears, and I ended up in Kansas City. He played for three seasons. I played all together, including the USFL, I played for 10. And then I'm like, what am I going to do with the rest of my life? And I felt like, what a cool thing to be able to do to tie the two careers together. I've had a few surgeries, had a few injuries, had to go through a few rehabs. And so I decided to go to med school.

and I had a business degree, so I had to start over, right? So I had to go three full years of college to get my chemistry, biology, physics, all that stuff, took the MCAT, did well, and ended up at Harvard. And so I did my med school at Harvard, did my orthopedic surgery training at the Mayo Clinic, and then did my sports training with Stedman Clinic in Bale, Colorado. And my friends thought it was nuts because as I was retiring from football, and I told him what I was going to do, they were like, well, how long is that going to take? And I said, 13 years from the day I start until the day I'm an orthopedic surgeon, it will be 13 years. And they're like, you're insane. You need to go get another job. Wow.

Well, and obviously the rest is history. And, you know, Brian, two things that come to mind there. You know, the connections that Doc has here is crazy in the NFL. Like Mark Schlerick, you know, one of your best friends, Doc. And, you know, it just goes on and on and on. Played with Mike Singletary. You know, one time Durham Smyth scored a touchdown. He's like, oh, his dad was my college roommate at bail.

So always fascinating that, you know, the small family there in the NFL. Yeah, you know you're getting old. You know you're getting old when it's your buddy's kids are making their way in the NFL. Could be grandkids. At least it's not a manorley's granddad, you know? Yeah. I hope to me. I hope you're hitting me up when my grandkids are playing in the NFL.

That's what I'm talking about. Absolutely. But also, Brian, like, we started the show. show in 2014 and then i don't know somewhere early on like you could just tell the doc was locked in on these injuries because they would all occur right at the live obviously it's direct tv we go right to the games we go anywhere we want and you know after a couple of years i think doc it may it may have taken you a year or two to kind of really get into the swing of it which is the case for everyone in any job almost but after a while bry doc was like laser focused

because he's on national TV. He's putting himself out there. He's making his early proclamations. And let me tell you, my man was prescient on a lot of them. So, like, if I trust anyone diagnosing an injury based on video, it's Dr. Mark Adix. You know, the one that was funny because the show ended, right? So last year was our first year not being together. And so I was still watching the games and doing my thing on Sundays and still have an NFL Sunday ticket,

even though it was on YouTube and no longer on direct TV. and we had the Aaron Rogers game and that may have even been a night game but I called that Achilles you did I mean essentially live because I went on, did a video and the next thing I know

ESPN had me on and the people of ESPN didn't even know I'd been on ESPN in the past because I was on ESPN for about five seasons doing injuries and but it's pretty funny but when you've been hurt a lot and you have the training experience I do as an orthopedic surgeon

It does get pretty easy. You can't be right 100% of the time. But if I'm not certain, I definitely will hedge my bet and say, look, I mean, this is sort of the spectrum of things that could be going on. Sure, sure. Yeah, Doc has been about, I don't know, 800 on early calls. It's a pretty good BA. So, well, let's get into it here, Doc. We could circle back, certainly.

I'm sure we'll probably get there in terms of your country. career and everything as we converse here. So, you know, I did send you some notes here. I guess we'll start with CMC and maybe I'm overreacting with Christian McCaffrey here. Now, he is the first pick of the draft here, consensus-wise. So, I mean, that is the ultimate premium. So, you know, that is to my point a little bit here. I sent you in my note about that week 17 game. I didn't think he looked right. He did have three weeks to get healthy. And he looked good and the playoffs and all that. But your thoughts here, Doc, you're not a big season long guy.

You're a big DFS guy. But would you be concerned and scared off a CMC at 1.1, the first pick of your redraft league? And also, am I overreacting here? They called it a mild calf strain. Let's say he gets a calf strain in week three. Are you panicking at that point? Well, I mean, the last year he was with the Panthers. I mean, it seemed like he was getting some soft tissue injury every week.

And I think in the next off season, he really went out of his way, went down and worked with Danian Tomlinson and tried to get some Marshall Falky. He tried to get some advice from some warriors, guys that had lots of touches and were more versatile backs like he was and sort of changed the way he prepared for the season from a physical point of view. And I think also the way he tried to maintain his health in season. And I felt like last year was pretty good until we had that calf strain. But then, like you said, I mean, it did come back in the playoffs. So I think he's got a pretty good handle on it. I think he's one of those guys that is going to go above and beyond trying to take care of his body, both physically and with diet and hydration.

And, you know, I mean, I don't know. I just feel like he is going to last longer than most running backs remain really at the peak of their game. because he wants to be kind of the LeBron James, if you will, of running backs. I mean, LeBron, being a big dude, I didn't think his career would last as long as it has. I thought for sure he'd deal with more injuries and he hasn't. So I think that's CMC's goal. I certainly would pick him first if I ever got the first pick, which I haven't yet in my career playing fantasy. But nevertheless, yeah, I think he's still a solid first guy.

He is still 28 years old. And that's getting up there, Brian. So, you know, me, I am a little bit of an ages. I don't know where you are on CMC. But I'm probably overreacting. So sorry to everyone else. That's why he's here to kind of, you know, talk me off a ledge a little bit. Yeah, well, the guru, you're the guru because you're right probably 850% of the time.

Or bat in 850 anyway. All right. We'll take that, you know. Yeah. There was a running back that John was really in on a year ago. Maybe it was two years ago now. but nobody drove the hype train more on Javante Williams than our man, the guru here. Thanks for reminding, man.

That's kind of a bad thing. But, yeah, continue. But he was a good player. Hey, it's not his fault. He's got injured, right? That's right. He's good. He's only 24 years old going into his fourth season.

He was really good coming out of Carolina. They kind of had a two-headed monster there. You know, we've got a new regime in Denver. A lot of times when these guys, we see him come back from these knee injuries so quickly now. It's almost like we expect them. Oh, they got an ACL. Oh, they'll be back in six months to be good as new. But does it take that full year recovery to kind of get your mind right to trust that knee?

And now that he's more than a year removed, are you a little more trusting in a guy like Giovante or, you know, or once they have these knee issues, or you're kind of like, it's over. I'm out. They'll never be the same guy. No, but you don't know, right? I mean, there's a big difference between a clean ACL and an ACL that has a meniscus tear or, has a bad bone bruise that results in a little bit of cartilage injury. I mean, there really is quite a large spectrum,

and everyone thinks that everyone's going to come back in six months. But the reality is I think most professional athletes are not really coming back 100%. I would say six months at the earliest. But you know, you see guys eight, nine months is probably more than norm. But every now and then you get that guy that takes a year and a half, two years before he looks good. And Javante, I think John's right on. I mean, I think he is an extremely talented back, and if he's healthy and he's utilized properly,

I think he's going to be a star. But I think he's one of those guys. Not a little bit more going on than just a straightforward ACL, and therefore last year was sort of his feeling in year. And I think this year we're going to see more than Giovante that John was predicting. Is it possible that, I mean, he was a rush back a little bit? because it, boy, it really was underwhelming.

I told you, I mean, to me, I thought he was like 80%, you know? I mean, it's a difficult evaluation there, but if that's the case, you know, I just think it's hard, John.

I mean, you've got these guys that are so motivated, they're so physically tough that they're able to go out and do all these little, you know, objective drills,

and they go, oh, he looks great. His knees not smelling up. He should be fine. but what you can do in practice, what you can do on the workout field, what you do in the weight room is just not the same. It's 75, 80% of what an NFL game is. And I think he jumped through all the right hoops.

He passed all the tests and they put him out there. And I mean, yeah, he wasn't. He looked like he was about three quarters, two thirds of what he was as a healthy guy. And I just think this year he'll be more up in the 90s, which is kind of where most guys set, right? I mean, they're always a little beat up. Yeah. I just need for everyone, Brian and Doc here,

I mean, just I got to see a little visual evidence from this. Probably going to have to take until a preseason game. If I can, I'll see it. If he's moving better, he got a little more quick twitch, I think I will see it because, you know, I love Javante coming out. And I waited a little bit until I saw him in a preseason game. And I'm like, oh, I've seen it up. God, he's going at it.

a completely different speed compared to everybody else so if I see it I'll I'll recognize it and it is the final year versus rookie deal we did a pod last year and we did the exact same thing we're doing this year we talked about the top injuries of the year I think you kind of nailed it with givante and we're also not worried I didn't even mention breeze hall because we also called talked about bruce hall but that was different in that there was not it wasn't nearly the meniscus issue and with bruce hall doc we saw him back in December. He was like back totally, right?

It was crazy. Yeah. I mean, in first play, he looked like, he looked like the old breeze hall. It was crazy. But I mean,

he's one of those unique guys. You know, he's kind of like, you know, you just see certain athletes they come back from injuries on the first play. They looked like same old guy.

And by the way, while we're talking these running backs, there's another guy that we talked about in the pile we did last year, Jay K. Dobbins. And, you know,

I mean, at this point, Doc, I don't know what to make it. You know, you've taken stock and you've seen all these injuries play out. But at this point, when you add it all up, I mean, what can we realistically expect from J.K. Dobbins? Well, I mean, I was pleasantly surprised because there's a need. It wasn't just a straightforward, you know, ACL.

It was kind of a multi-ligament thing. And I was, I thought he looked very good. I mean, he wasn't quite, you know, up in those high 90s. but I thought he looked pretty good. I thought he was a step up from Jibante, for sure. But, you know, then he goes and has the Achilles injury. But, I mean, I guess he's working out with Aaron Rogers. So if they both can make a good comeback.

I mean, it's tough, though. You have a big injury. You get moved to the Chargers. He's reunited with Gus Edwards. You know, maybe they're going to try to have, like, a little bit of a two-headed monster with two guys who are, who were, you know, a little bit banged up. But I don't know.

I think Dobbins is one of those guys. He's one of those tough guys that's probably going to come back from both these injuries and a few more in his career. But, you know, is he going to be a superstar? No. Is he going to be a solid player? Yeah. Could be.

Okay. Yeah. A lot of these NFL players are just, they're freak human beings. You know, let's be honest. They're just, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're faster than the casual guy you see walking around the mall. One of those guys, especially is Nick Chubb. Nick Chub looked like a Greek god in high school.

There's that hilarious video of him running track in high school against guys like me who are 140 pounds. And Nick Chubb now injured himself in week two. I'm seeing people, Doc, in real fantasy drafts, drafting him in the sixth seventh round with this expectation that he's going to be coming back and he's going to be the same old Nick Chub. That injury looked very gruesome. MCL, some ACL. I mean, you're the doctor, you know all that stuff, but are we jumping the gun on Nick Chub because we see him doing some

Instagram videos balancing on one leg? Yeah, I don't expect him to be ready for training camp. I expect him to be eased into things. I mean, this was a multiple surgery injury. I mean, he ripped the entire medial side, the inside of his knee

where his MCL is. He ripped the whole joint capsule open. I mean, So there were multiple procedures to put him back together. And so like you said, these guys are freaks. One of the things that is overlooked is just how incredibly tough they are. That pain that would have most of us writhing on the floor is just, yeah, all right. So, I mean, do I expect him to come back? I do.

Do I expect him to be effective when he does come back? I do. Do I think he's going to be started at the beginning of the year? No, I mean, I don't think he'll start off right at the start of the season. I don't think he'll be playing right away. And when he does play, I think they're going to have to ease him back in. There's going to be some soreness. There's going to be some swelling, slowing him down.

So, you know, he's one of those guys that I would hold off on. Pick up later. Yeah, I can't convince myself right now to take Nick Chubb. I don't want in fantasy. And John, you're the guru. I'll defer to you. I don't want a guy who is going to clog up my bench. Let's say I don't have an IR spot.

I'm not taking Nick Chubb in the seventh, eighth round. And then all of a sudden, like, oh, yeah, I'll just sit them there for half the year. And I'll plug him in later. Like, to me, those bench spots are way too valuable. If you have an IR, maybe. But the opportunity cost is going to be really great. In the seventh round, taking Nick Chubb who might not play for half the season, I can't do it. Yeah, yeah.

I'm with you more often than not. I mean, people out there trying to be a hero. Like, oh, I got a gut feeling. that by like week 11 he's going to be good to go. Okay, but, you know, by the way, while you're using up that roster spot, there will likely be two to three to four dudes coming down the pike on the waiver wire that are, you know, producing right now due to injury here. Well, I guess we might as well wrap up the first segment here of the pot, if you will,

and talk about the final running back. And again, I don't expect anything riveting off you, off of you, Doc, from Jonathan Brooks. But coming off the ACL, the latest is that they say, Dave Canales has a ways to go until he's, you know, ready to go. So he'll be eased in a training camp and we'll see about PUP and all that. But, you know, a pretty typical thing here, ACL, probably not counting on him the first, I don't know, third of the season, but final two-thirds of the season, he could be totally back. He's a very young man.

Right. And he's 20 years old. The other thing is that from everything I've seen, it's a pretty straightforward ACL. Yeah. So he's someone, he's someone that you want to keep an eye on. I mean, because he could come out of the gaze hard, kind of like a breeze hall did after his ACL. I mean, it's certainly possible.

Yeah, I'd be watching him closely in camp because that may be one, that may be one that you could get a bit of a steal on. Yep. All right. All right. Let's take a time out right here. When we come back on the other side, the player I'm targeting in more drafts than anyone is coming off injury.

And we're going to act, Dr. Mark Adich. about him. More on the other side. It's the Fantasy Points podcast. All right. Welcome back, everybody. Brian Drake hanging out with the guru, John Hansen. Dr. Mark Adick is our guest. Doc, I got to ask you about Anthony Richardson of the Indianapolis Colts. I love this kid. He is the ultimate dual threat quarterback. He runs. He's got a cannon for an arm. He's a big guy. You know, we look at Jane Daniels, who's a rookie. He's my size. He's like 150 pounds out there. Anthony Richards is a big dude. He's like 6-4-250 out there.

What do you expect from Richardson with this shoulder, you know, coming back in, we're hearing some stuff about maybe some soreness. Is that normal after an injury like this? And full-season expectations for AR. You know, I mean, you always are going to have to work through some sorters when you're coming back from surgery on your shoulder. You just got to get all that scar tissue stretched out. And so this is going to be something that he's going to go through throughout the season.

The question is, is he going to miss time and is it going to affect the way he plays, right? And it's going to affect how accurate he is or how much velocity you can put on the ball on those deep outs or the deep ball. And I don't know. I think he's a tough guy. And I do expect to see some amazing fantasy games out of him. But he makes me a little bit nervous. I mean, he wouldn't be one of the first guys I'd go after. Doc, you did call the Aaron Rogers injury.

last year just via the God-given gift of sight and the video technology. Do you have any thoughts on this year? Now he's 40. You know, people ask me, and I have to apologize because I'm like, well, if he's healthy and he plays 16 games, he's going to be pretty good. Probably be a little bit more of a game manager than we're used to. If not, he's going to be dead for our purposes and fantasy. I mean, do you have any insight a year older?

how much at risk is Aaron Rogers to basically have the same injury or something else because you may be favoring the Achilles? Well, I mean, I expected Tom Brady to go out like this. I thought that, you know, he'd be percolating along and then all of a sudden, you know, he'd have an injury like an Achilles or, you know, an elbow or a shoulder or something.

And then it would be one thing after another and then his career would be over. And so, I mean, is this the beginning of the end for Aaron Rogers or is he going to pull, you know, Kobe Bryant and have an Achilles and come back and still be really great? It's possible, but, you know, I'm much more comfortable of playing Aaron Rogers in a daily format than I am in a season long. That's for sure.

Yeah, yeah. And then one more to Sean Watson, not that anyone is paying any attention to him this year, although that might be the kiss of death. We're all ignoring Deshaun Watson. You're Houston-based, so you know Deshawn very well. Obviously, it's been surreal, but I would imagine no more excuses. Like, he should be in pristine physical health, considering his layoff and time off. And the injury itself, like, we still don't even know exactly what it is, I don't think.

Well, I mean, it's bizarre. I mean, in golf, you see a guy who gets the yips and he just falls off a cliff, like David DeBal. Shoots a 59 one week, and the next thing you know, he can't make the cut, right? You don't see that happen to NFL quarterbacks very often. And it seems like we've had it happen to Deshawn Watson and to Russell Wilson. You know, where wait a second, these guys, you know, even though Deshawn Watson's career is not as long, I mean, his stats are great. You know, for the years that he was dialed in in Houston. And so everybody's waiting for that guy to come back.

I mean, is he in there somewhere? I mean, I just don't know. And, I mean, Lackier, I didn't count on him for anything. I just felt like he wanted to be hurt and wanted to be done. And so now does he want to be back? Does he want to play hard? Does he want to, is he going to, you know, find it? Or is James Winston going to take over?

You know, I mean, he makes me incredibly nervous. But would it surprise me if the old Deshawn Watson comes back? It wouldn't because he's in there somewhere. It's not like he's that old. You know, I mean, I think that it certainly has a chance to. But, yeah, I mean, in the season-long format, yeah, He's way down my list. I said the exact same thing on social media.

People came after me with pitchforks. I simply said, I said, Deshaun Watson doesn't want to play football. I agree. He looked like a guy who was kind of, I don't want to say faking it, but they were looking for ways to get him off the field and kind of, eh, let's just shut you down. What kind of reboot this and let things go and people lost their minds. But you know what else people lose their minds over when they spend a first round pick on a wide receiver?

And then back to back years, this guy, plays either 12 or nine games. I'm talking about Cooper Cup of the L.A. Rams, getting up there in age now. It's over 31. We saw Pooka and Kua come in last year, set the world on fire. Have we seen, obviously, maybe a changing of the guard with the Rams, but what can we count on with Cooper Cup here? Because it just seems like there's an ankle, there's soreness, there's, you know,

there's hamstrings. He had the tightrope procedure. There's always something with Cooper Cup. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I agree. I just think a combination of Fukunakua and a 31-year-old wide receiver who, you know, has had a lot of soft tissue injuries coming back from an ACL. I mean, yeah, I think that he's certainly going to put up some big numbers, you know, every now and then. But, you know, I don't think he's going to be, I don't think he's going to be, you know, the world beater that he was for a few years prior to these injuries.

You know, the ankle thing being on the injury report for, you know, like multiple years at his age scares a crap out of me, Doc, right? I mean, am I crazy? Yeah, I mean, you just, you never know, you know. You don't know how much of it is not going away, right? I mean, when you've had multiple ankle injuries, then you can develop some arthritis, and then the darn thing's always a little bit sore and swollen.

And, you know, when you're a skill player and you're over 31 years of age, unless you're a quarterback. But, I mean, these wide receivers and these running backs, I mean, they take a beating and they need to be peak in order to perform the way we all expect them to if they're going to be a first round pick on our fantasy. You know, the thing is this year,

there aren't that many big injuries, Doc. I hate to say it. You know, you could, you know, takes a little bit more vacation time, I guess. We do have a few more to go through here, like T.J. Hawkinson, of course, coming off that late season ACL. I don't know.

Something about him always scares me. I was a little worried about him last year, quite frankly. He was doing like a hold in. I don't know. There's just something about him. I've always liked him. And I said he was to be a stud. But I don't know.

There's something lachadaisical there. But maybe it's the fact that he came out to the combine. I'm pretty sure he just woke up out of bed and didn't brush his hair. I just, I was like, wow, this guy's in DGafmo with the hair. I'm like, all right. I kind of respect it to an extent. But, you know, I mean, what do you think his outlook is? I mean, any idea here for a late season ACL like he had?

You know, he's one of those that under the best of circumstances, we'll be lucky if he's playing at the start of the season, right? And so if you start there, you know, he doesn't have the same quarterback. You know, I mean, I think he's been, I mean, he may possibly, I just think it affects all wide receivers and tight ends when they're playing with a new quarterback. anyway and then to play with the new quarterback but not really have any offseason work with him and not be 100% until the regular season already starts. That's wrong.

It just, yeah, I mean, it makes you really nervous. Yeah. We've coined on the Sirius XM show as Guru has several times, this is the summer of love, it meaning Jordan Love. And one of his big wide receivers is one Christian Watson. And interesting story that came out because he's always battling hamstrings injuries, Doc. And I read this. I had to reread it two or three times because it just didn't make sense to me.

It seemed like some kind of PR spin, but you're the doctor, you tell me. They're telling us that he had something like 20% muscle imbalance between the right and left leg. And they've done a bunch of exercises now. It's between 8 and 10%. Does this seem like complete nonsense to you? Or is this a real thing that they have targeted and fixed with Christian Watson? I don't know. I didn't read about him going to the University of Wisconsin

and having, you know, like 12 hours of testing and that that was the result. The result was that he had this side-to-side muscle imbalance of 20%. Now, if you're coming back from an ACL, right, we do all of this testing, right? Some of it, you know, more objective than others. And one of the things you do, you put them on this machine and we test their strength.

We won't even let them get back on the field if their strength is not within 15%. And then they have to pass a bunch of other subjective tests as well. So for him to have a 20% difference, it does make you worry that it's going to be one of those injuries that is going to be, that's going to affect his entire career. Because obviously he's an amazing player when he's healthy, 15 yards a catch, physical stud. And but he's just been missing time. And does he keep missing time? I mean, yeah. Anyway, I mean, I would think he loves Jordan Love and that he want to be there for him

and that he wants to have that amazing chemistry with him. And so hopefully he'll be motivated and do everything possible. And obviously he wants to. I mean, for him to go do 12 hours of testing at the Med Center in Wisconsin, I mean, he obviously is motivated. So hopefully he can find. the balance that we're hoping that CMC is found to avoid all the soft tissue injuries that are going to kind of screw up his season and screw up our seasons as well if we drafted.

Yep. I have interviewed Christian Watson in person. Very, very good kid. Bow Melton's dad came on this podcast a couple of weeks ago, Doc. He's from New Jersey. I know you know I grew up with him. He, you know, he signs off like really good kid. So I think we're not worrying about that.

like diva wide receiver stuff like we're not we're good with that just get on the field but i i think we're kind of done doc i don't have any other big injuries unless brian or you have something else i i would i did want to ask you for the listeners who've been listening to you here for the last 30 minutes and also those who've heard you on a series xm show like not to put you on the spot but your your great career uh 10 years in two professional leagues was there one moment that was like the highlight i mean I mean, if it were me, I'd be like, oh, I was drafted, what, a pick after Reggie White in the supplemental, Jeff. I believe you had a Porsche when you were 21 living out in Redondo. I mean, that's incredible blocking Steve Young's blind sides.

I think one of the funniest stories ever is there were three of us that were supposed to be high draft picks that ended up signing to protect Steve Young for the L.A. Express. And so we all went out to L.A. and it was Gary Zimmerman who's now in the Hall of Fame. Mike Ruther was the center at the University of Texas, and he had a long career as well, and then myself. And so we all get there and we go down and we get an apartment at the Harbor Cove apartments, which were right between the Redondo Beach Marina and Manhattan Beach Sand. And we were literally sitting on top of the chart house restaurant. We would go eat there like five days a week, you know, as kids.

But we literally went out in one day. We each got a waterbed. we each got the biggest TV we could find, the biggest stereo we could find, and a Porsche. And I think Gary had a red one, Mike Ruther got a black one, and I got a white one.

And that salesman was just ecstatic. Yeah. And you got the best price because you went white with it, which is probably good too for the sun, right? There you go. Absolutely. Yeah.

We all nicknamed them too. My name is Casper. and what would I think it was Zimmerman's was like flames or something yeah

and the Ruther called his black stallion oh I used to nickname my bikes my cars like motorists I don't know that was a thing

Doc you also did win a Super Bowl with the Washington football club under Joe Gibbs and I don't know if we got to find the highlight

but you also scored a touchdown in the NFL yes that did we definitely need to get that. Yeah. So I was playing with Kansas City, tight end eligible, and, you know, a fake run. I come out low, pop up, and it was actually the boss. Brian Bosworth was supposed to be guarding me, and I caught the pass over the shoulder for the touchdown, did my cabbage patch. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

That was definitely my moment in the sun, my 15 seconds of fame. That was glorious. Now, who was the running back? Because you did a lot of blocking for the great. Nigerian nightmare Christian Akoya who was in the backfield do you remember you know he was there in Kansas City with me but Herman Hurd was a kind of a scat back out of Colorado who was who was who played a lot

with us he could have been yeah I think those were probably the two big who was it Palmer what was his first name out of Temple oh oh oh from Temple Paul was it not Paul Palmer yep Paul Palmer is it Paul yeah yeah he was a good

running back played with us too wow well great stuff brian unless you have another injury update here again it's kind of a weird year it's kind of a light year on injuries well if you boys need me if there's anything big to talk about i'm happy to come on during the season as well all right make sure you guys go over on twitter x whatever they're calling it this week at jock to doc it's dr mark addicts out of houston texist jock to doc doc dot com thanks so much for joining us we're going to take a time out here on the other side we're going to talk a little bit about how gurus rankings versus ADP and where you can exploit some value.

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You never want to be too high. I think on guys coming off major injuries. It's not a video game. You don't just hit the reset button and guys are good to go. Speaking of that, John, people often come into the season and they're looking at rankings

and they think, ah, all rankings are the same. Nay, nay, I say. John Hansen's rankings are, you know, they're from the gut, they're from data, they're from watching the film. Really, folks, they're what I've been using for 20 plus years in fantasy football, and I'm ecstatic to go through

the guru's redraft rankings with him today. talking wide receivers and tight ends. So some of the guys who you have a difference in ADP with at the position, and I'm going to start with Devante Smith of my Philadelphia Eagles here. He's got an ADP of 44. You like him a bit 26th overall. Here's why I love Devante Smith, and then you can give me your outlier reasons. Number one, he's badass.

Number two, they are going to run so much more motion right now in this new office. offense and they never did last year. If you look at the last few years with the Chargers and the Cowboys and what they were running, the motion was it was top five in the league and the Eagles were at the bottom. Now the Eagles are going to be running a top five motion offense. It's going to give layup looks like we used to see for Keenan Allen like we saw for CD Lamb. And you know who that guy's going to benefit this year? Devante Smith, tell me I'm wrong, guru.

Is that why you love him to? Are you a Kellyn Moore guy? I may have forgotten his name while we were sitting here and I was spieling like that, so I was just not mentioning it. But yes, I'm a Kellynne Moore fan. Well, not to give it away because I won't name the town, but he literally just moved like a block and a half away from me. So I've been walking my dog a lot, seeing if I see him walking around, get some insight.

But he did do a good job overall in Dallas. And, you know, I think the offense was completely broken last year. and certainly need to get some fresh thoughts in the in the room basically what about the the notion that he could he be lining up inside more i think that was what i really started to like when davante parker was there of course parker didn't even make it uh to training camp here but hey i've always been a skinny batman person three years in a row i've ranked them over his adp and I'm not trying to. It's just, that's how it happens.

And three years in a row, it's been pretty good. So once again, when I plugged in the numbers, that's, that's where I have them. So he's available. He's badass, like you mentioned. He could blow up at any time. You know, what's it not the like with Devante Smith? Yeah, you're 100% right. So he's going to be moving into a role where he's seeing more motion because of a new

offensive coordinator, somebody else who's going to have a new O.C. And a lot of people are frowning upon it, but you are not. And that's George Pickens with the Steelers. He's got an ADP of 55. You like him all the way up in the 30s. You got to measure wide receiver 18. Why is so high on Georgie Pickens this year? I know that they're going to be all about the run. I know with Arthur Smith. But I think what we're going to drop in terms of passes per game attempted by his team. I think we're going to make up in target share. I mean, basically, I have them doing just slightly better than last year in terms of the stats here. I mean, a lot of people don't realize how good Pickens was in terms of the final numbers last year. 1140 yards, 18 yards of catch led the NFL, five touchdowns after scoring four the year before, by the way, when he was at 15.4 yards per catch. So I think we know what George Pickens is. we know who he is.

I've interviewed him at the combine. My man is not short on confidence. And, you know, he's very energetic. And we know that, yes, they're going to run a lot. But when they throw it, he's going to be the first read there. He's going to get a lot of targets from Russ Wilson, who clearly can get the ball to a big perimeter receiver as he did last year with Cortland Sutton.

So again, I am presuming and I think safely that Pickens is, kind of getting peppered with targets here when they do throw. And downfield opportunities, red zone stuff, I feel good about it. I think it's going to work. So you don't have to take him where I have him, by the way, because he's falling further.

But I would mark him down and get him every single time. Round four is that's early enough for me. If you're looking for a wide receiver in a round two, one of the names you're going to see based on ADP in your cue is Nico Collins. I loved him last year, John. I was drafting him all over the place. I remember guys in my home league, they're like, who the hell is Nico Collins? And why are you drafting him? He turned out to be a wide receiver one, finished the season as the 12th best wide receiver in terms of total points. And that's only on 80 catches. But John, this year, I can't do it. I'm not pulling

the trigger on Nico Collins in the second round when they go out and now Joe Mixon's there. They go and add Stefan Diggs. Not saying, I don't. don't believe in Nico Collins' talent. Obviously, the Texans do because they just gave him a nice contract, but there's no way I'm passing on other options to take a guy in a three-headed monster back, you know, receiving group. I'm not doing it. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, I was kind of agnostic on him. I wasn't high or low. I didn't, I will say, coming out of Michigan, I know eyeball test-wise, you're like, oh, wow, this guy's pretty darn good. Third-round pick is, okay it's pretty good not elite uh but he's gotten better i mean i think you got to give him a lot of credit

obviously last year c j stroud helped up in the yard per catch average from like 13.3 for the first two years to 16 plus was amazing uh and by the way also improving the catch rate i mean that is ridiculous so he goes from 13 yards of catch at 56% catch rate to 16 plus and 73 that's incredible i mean again that's a lot of c j stroud but also it was a lot of planetary alignment kind of the stars lining up for him and that's probably going to be difficult to replicate with as you mentioned you know a lower target share of tank dell stays healthy all year that's stroud's other guy um we saw him click with dalton sholtz he's not going to be a forgotten man they also drafted another good tight end and kate stover so then of course oh by the

away. I forgot the ultimate diva in the league right now. Stefan Diggs is going to whine and powder if it doesn't get the ball. So yeah, I mean, if we're talking fourth round, fifth round, sure, but not at this ADP. Yeah. You're higher on a guy who, two years ago or, you know, the season before last, finished as a top 12 wide receivers. Christian Kirk from the Jacksonville Jaguars. He was a guy you were touting. I went out and drafted him in leagues. Help me get to the playoffs in several leagues. Last year, they bring in Calvin Ridley. Kirk only plays in 12 games.

You know, okay, you kind of got kicked in the balls on that one. You're back in on him this year. Ridley's gone. It's kind of, you know, I'm not a big Gabe Davis guy. I don't think he's going to do anything down there. They draft Mike Davis. Yeah. But Christian Kirk back in the slot.

If he's healthy, I'm with you, John. I love that you're like two rounds ahead of on 80. Or, hey, give me a round and a half ADP on this guy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because I ultimately think, I mean, that's Trevor Lawrence's guy right here. I mean, let's not forget. Like, that's Trevor Lawrence's guy. I'm looking now, you know, where I had them going into that 20, 21 year.

I mean, I think it was pretty aggressive and it worked. And then last year, I pretty much did the same damn thing. Of course, as I say that, I can't freaking find them on a cheat sheet. But I keep all these cheat sheets, these PDFs. these PDFs and I you know I always want to go back and like really study them to see where I screwed up but I do remember that year in 2021 I was probably 30 picks ahead of his ADP and that worked out beautifully god damn why can't I find the damn thing every time I'm on the spot I never find it last year didn't work out all that well but again once we get through

evan ingram and and by the way even he is not going to get the same amount of targets and level of targets that he got last year. Once we get through Evan Ingram, I mean, Kirk's the guy. Brian Thomas also is a little raw. You know, outside guy,

didn't run a full route street, not even close. Gabe Davis. Mike Thomas? I may have called, I may have called by the wrong name. I forget my own name, Brian.

My bad. Exactly. Yeah. What the hell? I mean, but yeah, I mean, we really look at it like he's going to get plenty of volume.

dare I say, it's either him or Evan Ingram, you know, I think Christian Kirk's the first read. I think he's good. I don't know what, I don't see the first read share between Ingram and Kirk, but I'm projecting this year, Kirk's the first read and he leads the team. I love that. Yeah, Christian Kirk's. And you know why I love Kirk also, these tiebreakers, when you're kind of picking between receivers, this is something good for everybody to know when you're drafting. Who's the quarterback? who's the play caller?

He's got, I mean, listen, are you going to win a fantasy league with Trevor Lawrence? Maybe not, but he's a competent quarterback and obviously just got paid. And Doug Peterson is a really good Super Bowl winning play caller. So they're going to scheme things open for Christian Kirk. I'm with you right there. Now, we could have conversation for days about this next player. Cooper Cup is, you know, they've got an ADP right now around 43. You've got him at like 59.

The thing with Cooper Cup, as everyone remembers, a few years ago, when he was just setting fantasy on fire, and they don't want to get burned. They're like, wait a minute. What if he's healthy? What if he can do it again? But he's 31 years old. Puka Nakua is there.

Kind of ate his lunch last year. They had similar numbers in terms of when you look at games played together. It's just that Nakua had way more yards because he's actually explosive. Cup kind of has been zapped by all these injuries. You're not buying it. him you're not taking him where the adp consensus has well and and look i'm wrong all the time but i will say last summer when he had that setback his adp was still like top 15 right i was like no uh don't do it like it's it's just it's too scary you look at you look at the injury report um dating back to

2022 and the variety of entries, October 30th, the pedal ankle, got rolled up, foot got caught, and then that same year, November 13, pedal ankle, high ankle sprained, went down week 10, landed on IR, August 1st, 23, thigh, hamstring, and then November 23, pedal ankle, is back. So that tells me that, you know, again, Doc addicts in this very podcast seemed to echo and, you know, he was kind of with me that we might have some sort of chronic thing or we might have just because of age and wear and tear an issue where like this thing is not going to go away.

So, you know, I'd rather be out a year too early than a year too late. Last year I was out. And there were moments where I regretted being out actually. but overall, if you were out on Cup last year, was that a win or a loss? For the most part, you won that way. Yeah, if you were out of him. It was a win.

So I'm going out again. I mean, if it came down and priced a little bit, you know, everyone can be a value at any point, but I don't think we're there with Cup. I'm looking at certain ADPs, and this blows my mind. Malik Neighbors is having, has a higher ADP

than Devontas Smith, D.K. Metcalf, Michael Pittman. I mean, are people on drugs right now? Like, on what planet are you taking a Daniel Jones wide receiver one over Devante Smith? Like, what are we doing here, folks? That's insanity to me. Like, people are drunk on these rookie wide receivers, guru. I mean, I know he's a very talented kid. If I'm playing in a Dynasty League, I'd love to have him on my team.

But for redraft this year, over some of these guys, you've got to be crazy. Yeah, I agree. I mean, it is crazy. I mean, he is an absolute stud. There's no doubt about it in many ways. I don't know, though, if he's Jamar Chase level stud, let's say that, in terms of being a complete player. As our guy, Brett Whitefield has noted, a lot of his catches last year were inside looks and design look, gadgety type of looks. you know so that does beg the question yeah they drafted them high in round one can they take full

advantage that's uh that's kind of a big ask based on the shaky quarterback situation with daniel jones and also hey mike kaffka the office coordinator not a great job so far there was a moment two three years ago where it looked like kofka was going to be the um the next i'm incoming hot name Not really. It's kind of Kafka-esque if anyone gets that reference, but we'll move on. But Mike Kafka and Brian Daibol, they took a step back last year. So is that really going to work out? We're really going to turn it around and have a really effective offense with no Sequin

Barkley, by the way, because in 2022, when they had success, you could argue a lot of that was working off of Berkeley. He's gone. So now all the remains is you, Daibol and Kafka, who are underwhelming, office of coaches at this point. Play callers. Not bad, but I don't know if they're good. And then, um, you know, a volatile rookie and Malik neighbors with Daniel Jones. Good luck. I'm just not seeing it. I could see taking him at wide receiver 39 in round six or something, but we're not taking them early round four. No. You want Malik neighbors to be like, you know,

if you start three wide receivers, all right. If he's, you, you know, your wide receiver three okay feature flex something like that great but i don't want to count on this kid every week in redraft we're not talking best ball where you know is he going to have some blow up weeks i'm sure he will he's uber talented but yeah just for me i can't i can't you know sign off on him that early all right guru you got to throw the wet blanket here over everyone who's super excited about stephan digs uh everyone this is another case of of the NFL fan sees a name player going to a new situation. And maybe they're not looking at the results, the data,

kind of some of the stuff we see on the back end. And they just go, oh, we got Stefan Diggs. He used to be great in Buffalo. And in Minnesota, he's going to be amazing in Houston. A lot of mouths to feed and maybe the ADP, if you look, 28, 30 in that area, wide receiver 14, it's a little rich. Yeah, he's like a fifth, six round. pick moving on to the new team you know i don't say he's on his last legs but we're we're we're

now on the downside obviously of the career our separation data shows just that he's also a pain of the ass and a little bit of a hot head so you never know about that but again i mean look baller okay fifth six round great we're not doing it this high and and this is best ball too so maybe that's i don't know what that means is he a better best ball pick or redro i don't even know But regardless, unless your ADP is like 50 and above, he's overvalued and his ADP seems to be under 50 everywhere. Or is overvalued. If it's unless it's, yeah, unless it's 50 or above, he's overvalued and it seems to be under 50 everywhere. Let's shift gears and go to the tight end position.

You guys can't see this because we're doing this, you know, podcast. Guru's in his basement right now, and he's sitting on, like, his son's like drum kit, like stool or something like this. So shout out to John for fighting through this as we wrap things up here. Let's go to the tight ends. Travis Kelsey, everyone's talking about the demise of Travis Kelsey. You know, he's Dayton Taylor Swift. God bless him, a little jealous, not going to lie. But people are kind of like, well, they're not going to use him as much.

Maybe, you know, it's kind of the beginning of the end, but you're a little higher on him. I think than most. You know, tight end two. You're looking at him. It's still a second round pick. Why do you love Kelsey so much this year? You know, I honestly, I think it's a lot of function of I just see shakiness at the top of the board. And, you know, Travis Kelsey had been absolute money in the bank for a decade.

I mean, once we get passed, even like the top 15, you know, again, Marvin Harrison's a rookie. Devante Adams is 31, 32 now. Iuke, there's only one ball. Alave Derek Carr sucks. You know, like on and on, like Mike Evans, you know, getting up there, new coordinator, you know, like. So I just think Kelsey, to me, he kind of stood out as like, you know, what's the upside? What's the downside? What's the stability?

you know, I think it's still good in everything. Maybe you're not going to get like peppered with targets from two, three years ago when people were drafting them at like four overall or one overall. But I also think to fall out of the second round is, that's too much. And I'm normally someone bailing on older players and overrating younger players. But honestly, it seems like lately the markets have shifted. and now I'm the conservative guy, but I'm just looking to make good business, basically.

Last year's tight end won in PPR total points with Sam LaPorta. This might shock people, John. You're about 20 picks lower on LaPorteur than consensus. How come? I mean, simply put, he had an 8% touchdown rate, and I just, I know that they didn't do a ton else on the team, but I just don't see him scoring at that high of a rate here. I mean, that's pretty darn impressive, 120 targets,

and he scored 10 touchdowns there. That means 8% of the time he caught a ball was for a touchdown. I mean, I don't know if we're replicating that. I know he was money and all that, but I don't think he's going to be a bust. I just, I came in lower than the number. So, I mean, I think it's, he's not the problem. think the number is just a little too rich after just one season.

You know, that's it. That's otherwise I'd be good with him taking him when he should go, which I think based on only one year, you know, is middle of the third round? Is that too much to ask? Like, or, you know, early to middle third round, that's about right. Yet he's not that. He's clearly in the round two. Yeah, that's tough.

Tight end is so deep. this year. I don't know if I want to spend a second round pick when later on in the draft I can get somebody like the next gentleman we're going to talk about. I'd love to call him turd Ferguson. Jake Ferguson from the Dallas Cowboys. Boy, and I must like hate watch the Cowboys, being an Eagles fan. And I just see Ferguson just makes play after play. I caught 71 balls last year. You know, one of only a handful of guys with over 100 targets, they didn't really do much of anything, John, to improve their receiving room. Ferguson's going to be another focal point of this offense. Absolutely. If you've heard me on serious, you know, I've always been a big Ferguson guy.

Even his rookie year, I did talk with him. And Indy is a great guy. He plays fantasy. I've said this a million times. But he's also just productive. Like he scored in the senior bowl. in the game i watched him you know practice that week in mobile i'm like all right looks solid nothing ridiculous solid but then he scored you know and then he started playing in year one i'm like oh wow look he's he's doing well he's moving pretty well um so i was all about it and and by the time we got to the end of that rookie year i'm like hey get him in dynasty because i think they're going to let dalton shultz go and he's he could be the guy and that did happen even though they drafted luke schoonmaker who was a buzzkill.

So I think based on what you said there too, they didn't add anyone else. And that includes the running back room. So they are a little lighter receiver. They lost Michael Gallup. We lost Tony Pollard. So they have to be a passing team. And I do like Brandon Cooks this year.

But once you get past cooks and lamb, you know, it's Ferguson. And I always, like Dak with a tight end. You probably don't remember this, but Dak's rookie year, I actually predicted in the preseason on serious, I'm like, you know what, I've seen enough. This guy's good. He's going to be good. And he's going to throw a freaking ball to Jason Whitten all day long because he's a see it and throw it quarterback who

often checks it down to the tight end if that first read's not there. So and we saw that last year with Ferguson. So I think we might even expand upon that. So he is one of my favorite values at any position this year. And he's actually my second favorite value at tight end, which will, of course, prompt you to tell me, ask me who the first one is, but I absolutely love Jake Ferguson this year. And the last guy we talk about today is your favorite tight end. John, over the last three seasons, just five tight ends have seen 80 or more targets annually. Their names are Travis Kelsey, George Kittal, T.J. Hawkinson, Dalton Schultz, your guy, Tyler Conklin.

Yeah, you got to say it that way, too. Tyler Conklin. Absolutely. You know, I mean, sometimes the, I mean, the call is just so obvious that you're like, screw this, I'm going for it. I'm looking here at my cheat sheet. I want to find it from where we had him last year. Granted, I mean, I'm not saying it worked out incredibly well.

But his ADP, and again, just so people know, too, his ADP was 191. I had him at 172. So I probably would have had him higher, but I feel like if you rank someone 20 spots over his ADP, then that's a win and you're giving them an advantage. I mean, I don't need to rank him last year at 140, which I may have been inclined to do, but his ADP is 190. Like, I don't need, you know, that's so. So just throwing that out there.

And, you know, he was good this year, though. And again, I'm just going off of my projection. because I think that last year he and Aaron Rogers were a thing. And this year, they're once again a thing. So I can absolutely see Aaron Rogers leaning on Tyler Conklin as, dare I say, his second dude behind Garrett Wilson. Because I'm not a Mike Williams believer in general, and I'm certainly not this year on a new team coming off in ACL.

I think Malachi Corley is, he might need a little development here. you know, maybe he's a little gadgety, but you need glue. You need some glue guys here. Dare I say after Garrett Wilson, Tyler Conklin will be the glue guy. And if he starts clicking in the red zone with Aaron Rogers and actually score his touchdowns, forget it. He's going to be like the tight end eight on the season or better. And I know that sounds like a hot take.

But look at the catch totals that you just talked about. Yeah. I mean, this is a guy who finished as PPR tight end 17 last year. And he didn't score a touchdown. Every guy ahead of him scored multiple. touchdowns. He's sitting here with a goose egg, you know, with a 70% catch rate. But hey, you get a tight end that he had nothing at quarterback last year, still caught 61 balls and was targeted 87 times. Those numbers because the drives are going to be continued with Aaron Rogers.

They're not going to be three and out all over the place with the milf hunter under center. I mean, Tyler Conklin is the biggest steal at tight end in fantasy. So love the call, John. Yep. Well, let's get you off that. drum kit or whatever you're sitting on, my friend. And we, marathon day of recording podcasts here, folks. If you like what you hear, get over to FantasyPoints.com.

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