Fantasy Football Daily - Final Dynasty Rookie Rankings & Tiers with Jax Falcone

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

On today’s episode of Fantasy Football Daily, Theo Gremminger welcomes special guest Jax Falcone from The Undroppables to dive deep into the Anatomy of Wide Receivers and Running Backs for the 2025 rookie draft season. We’re breaking down which RBs check the most boxes, the wideouts you need to know, and Jax's signature flag plant player of the year. 🔥 Featured prospects & topics: Jayden Higgins, Emeka Egbuka, and Tre Harris breakdowns How The Undroppables’ Post-Draft WR Model is shaping the rankings Exclusive Jax & Theo player tiers to guide your draft strategy 📊 Tier Two Prospects: Cam Ward Omarion Hampton TreVeyon Henderson Travis Hunter 🧠 Tier Three (QBs & TEs): Shedeur Sanders Jaxson Dart Tyler Warren Colston Loveland Whether you're prepping for your rookie draft or trying to get ahead in redraft, this episode is packed with sharp takes and data-backed analysis. 🎧 Don’t forget to follow and subscribe to Fantasy Football Daily for more top-tier insights every week! Where to find us: http://twitter.com/Fantasy_Guru http://twitter.com/TheOGFantasy Join the Discord here: https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/discord#/ Find Our Podcasts here: https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts#/ Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE: https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@fantasypts #fantasypoints #nfl #fantasyfootball #dynastyfantasyfootball #FantasyFootballAdvice #dynastypoints #dynasty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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aka Scott Bollinger of the undropables and the undrafted podcast. And if you're a dynasty manager, you probably already know who Jacks is. This is a guy that I podcast is with dozens of times at this point. I'm always on your show. You're always on one of my shows. First time I've had you on to my. Fantasy Point shows, though, first of many, hopefully.

We're talking about rookie tiers. Is there anybody else in Tier 1 or is Tier 1 simply just Ashton Genti this season? By the way, congratulations on Fantasy Points. I'm so glad to be here with you. Yeah, thank you for having me so early on. I'm here to support you. So, yeah, you're the man. And in Tier 1, the only other person other than Ash and Genty is Theo Griminger.

That's it, baby. Oh, no. Ash and Genti level, that's about as good as it gets, because Gentie is, Genti is really like, this has been a conversation with a lot of people. Like, we don't need to dive in so much into like Ashton Genti.

I have a follow up question for you on Genti in terms of the overall dynasty rankings. But simply put, is there anybody close to him in terms of getting like a tier one when we're talking about tiering our dynasty rookie rankings? Yeah, no, I don't think so. I've been thinking about this a lot lately because I think it helps to understand from a dynasty perspective.

It's important to understand what type of class you're in and because it's going to help you maneuver. Like how many tier one players are there? You know, every year you can look at that and, you know, Sequin Barclay, Malik Neighbors, Marvin Harrison, Jr. You know, last year we had multiple quarterbacks in that tier one. So I think when you look at it, you start to think Bowers was obviously tier one. So you probably had like five or six last year, this year won.

So, you know, the 102 is more like the 106 or seven than last year's draft, truly. Now, what changes in this draft, I think, is how we look at tier two as much bigger, potentially, Tier 2 and 3 is much bigger than last year's Tier 2 and Tier 3. A lot of that is just how you start to look at the class and evaluate those players. I think if you look at wide receiver, there's not a Tier 1 player there. Quarterback certainly not. Some people will make the case for Tyler Warren. I don't think so.

I think he's a Tier 2 tight-end prospect, and I think that's fairly plain to see, actually. I don't think he's elite level. So, yeah, Gentie stands alone. Gentie stands alone. It's interesting you kind of put it in a historical context because we oftentimes pod this time of year. And like last year there was the Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels are these exceptional quarterback prospects. But Malik Neighbors and Marvin Harrison Jr. also are locked into this top four in Superflex. And let's make an argument for pushing one of these guys ahead of the quarterbacks.

And that sort of thing happened. I mean, you had not necessarily Caleb Williams falling to the 103, but you did see some Jaden Daniels 103s in your Superflex Dynasty rookie drafts. That's like printing money at this point if you got Daniels at the 103. But you saw that sort of conversation. Then the Bejohn Robinson steam, Bijon was sort of the Ashton Genty of two seasons ago, this unbelievable can't miss type running back that we expect to get top 10 draft capital.

But when we got to this point in the process, there was always people sort of making their case for a Anthony Richardson's going to rush for all these yards. It's super flex. Richardson should be considered to be going ahead of Bijan. Most leagues he didn't. But there was certainly some leagues he did. This year it's been universal. Ashton Genty just leading the pack for months and months and months.

And I'd say that the separation between him and the 102 just kind of continues to grow as we get closer and closer to the NFL draft. some of the trades going down for the 101 are absolutely wild. I had the trade. I'm going to be joined by Davis-Matic on a pod later this week, but I was able to trade the 101 for the 105, the 106, and the 108 in a super flex, tight and premium. And usually that's one where, like, you'd be like you win that trade every year.

There was actually a pretty split consensus this year when he posted that onto X is, like, some people are like Theo, you cooked on that. Some people are like really bad trade by Theo. And within the industry and also just hardcore dynasty people, Genti, the power of Genti in Dynasty is just so big. Let's take it a step back. We're not talking about draft pick trades this show. But if it was Ashton Genti just in the context of where he should be ranked in, let's say,

a dynasty startup, let's say single QB, or in context versus other elite running back. are you at the point right now? I'll just start with with guys with guys that have really have a ton of dynasty value. Devon A. Chan or or Ashton Genti. Genti for me as well. And I'm, I'm the Devon A. Chan king. So it's like, and I'm like, I'm really to make that bet easily.

I mean, the longevity of Genty, the draft capital of Genty. Like everything there, it's like with A.N, we're constantly a little bit worried about the size and him getting knocked out for a long period of time. I'm like, Gentie, I'm there. Let's take it up a notch. Ashton, Gentie, or sort of the big two in Dynasty, Jemir Gibbs and Bijan Robinson, however you have them ranked. Are you willing to pivot, make a dynasty type pivot in order to get those guys

and potentially move a Gibbs or a Robinson in some trade or another? They can add a little bit onto each side, but specifically are you willing to pivot off one of those guys to get yourself a Gentie? Sure. I have him at RB3, Gentie, that is. I think you said something else there that was interesting. When you were talking about the Anthony Richardson over Bejohn thing, the reason for all that is because while Bejon was clearly an elite tier one asset in that draft,

and Richardson was not, the value of hitting on a top five quarterback is so much greater than hitting on a top five running back in Dynasty. Same thing at wide receiver. Like, you know, I'm looking to invest more in wide receiver and, um, and quarterback in Dynasty over the running back. You know, even for myself in a dynasty startup, I push the running backs down so much that sometimes I actually miss the position a little bit, but I feel, still feel good because I can always backfill running back a little bit more easily, especially on a week to week

basis where, you know, you'll have just strangers that you've never heard of. You know, Kareem Hunt was literally on everybody's waiver wire going into last, season. He was not rostered almost, I bet you his roster ship was below 30% in dynasty leagues. And that is very low. Easily, right? Maybe even below 10%. Even super deep ones. He was, he was non-roastered. And he ended up giving you RB1 consecutive weeks, you know, throughout the season. So that just doesn't happen at the wide receiver position. I suppose it really doesn't happen at the quarterback position. Doesn't even really happen at the tight end position. So, you know, to be able to get that at running back is,

devalues the tier one running backs for those reasons. And also the shorter shelf life and dynasty. Long story short is that's where you tell yourself a story as to why Genty isn't the 101 or whatever. But you cook that trade, by the way. You did cook. Because you also have to be ready to be wrong. Like, you know, ultimately you've got three bites at the apple. You've got three opportunities to trade those picks again.

You really upped your value. Now, if it's a start eight league or something like that, maybe I could see it. But if it's a start 11, start 10 or more. 12 teamer, I think he cooked. Yeah, I mean, I'll take my chances. And it's a slow draft where it's very, very slow at this point. And we'll see how those picks turn out for me. Pre-NFL draft, rookie drafts are always a little bit of a challenge.

You worry a little bit more about guys landing spots, especially the running back spot. Let's just say I offer you the 101 for your Bejean. Are you taking that? Or are you, what would you need on top of like a 101 to get Bejohn, who, at this point is a pretty solid bet to be in the mix to be the RB1 overall in this upcoming season. And he's certainly going to be a top four, maybe even the 101 in some leagues in terms of redraft. Let's say Bejohn, I offer you my 101 for Bejohn, little game theory.

What are you looking to counter here? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. How much could I get? I mean, for me, they're the same. So now it's just an exploration of what I can get from you. So yeah, whatever, what do you say? Do you have any early seconds that you want to throw in there? I think you nailed it.

I think especially this year where I can, I think that the way that you would play a trade like that would be if I'm moving off of Bijon for Genty, even with the power of Genty, I could turn that into, you know, our favorite, like the running back six or the running back five in this class. If I get that early second, you could potentially get a Ashton Genty and Caleb Johnson bet versus. versus a Bijon Robinson. I think that's sort of the way I would be looking to play it. Jemir Gibbs is interesting as well because Gibbs has just been this fantasy football weapon of mass destruction. Now we have a coordinator change where there's been sort of an argument that we need to readjust what we saw at the very end of last season because, of course, David Montgomery is going to be around and thrown a wrench into the Jamir Gibbs running back one overall season, which we know could happen. But I don't know.

It's offensive coordinator change. It's like how much of the David Montgomery. playing time was Ben Johnson pounding the table to get the mix or how much of that, you know, certainly was the coaching staff and Campbell like saying like, let's get my guy, Montgomery, the rock. So I don't know if that was like an overall decision or a Ben Johnson decision. We just won't know until they actually, you know, we kick off this year. So Gibbs is also a super interesting one.

And in the context of dynasty startups. Yeah. If you're doing a dynasty startup tomorrow, let's say it's a single QB format. so we get the quarterback. Oh, okay. I'm doing one right now. So I'm in one. Okay.

So superflex one. How far into it are you? Seven picks. And any, so Jemar Chase was selected? Yeah. Yeah. So it's been all quarterbacks in Chase or where are the Jefferson in their team? Bowers too.

It's a tight end premium. Okay. So when, if you're guessing, where do you expect to see Genty in a superflex dynasty startup with a tight end premium? the turn? Well, I think it's later than that, too, because I think it's after Beijon and Gibbs, don't you. I mean, I think, I don't think there are very many, you know, dynasty managers that have Genty as their RB1 or something like that. I mean, I suppose it's possible, but I think that's the minority for sure. There's probably some who do have them behind, you know, whether it be Brise or

Sequin or A-chan. I don't like that at all because I think there's way more certainty in Genty than even those three players, quite frankly. I mean, obviously, Seekwon has a tremendous amount of certainty, but shorter shelf life. But, yeah, I think Genti's the clear value play there. And Gibbs and Bejohn, we've seen them do it, and they have the certainty. So that's why they're ahead.

So it's kind of a simple equation for me. So, yeah, for me, but I'm still going to be like puka ahead of them and stuff. I don't know about that one. I don't know about that one. I am. I am. You can say no, but it also depends on the scoring. you know, if it's a PPR league and stuff like it.

Look, you know, depending on the scoring, would depend upon how I feel about Genti versus players like Puka. But, yeah, BTJ, Puka is 23 years old and just commands targets at an incredible level with whomever next to him. I'm not worried about Devante Adams next to him. Puka's a league winner and, yeah, 23-year-old wide receiver. I'm smashing that over a running back all the time. You know, that's just the way I play, though,

because I look at some of my teams that have broken and didn't compete for a long period of time, and I don't have any wide receivers. I invested in running backs. They got scrambled and things changed, and now of a sudden the team quickly dissipated, where when I built around those wide receivers, those elite wide receivers, they just don't go anywhere. I mean, imagine if you had Devante, what, 10 years ago or something. You know, I mean, he's been around forever.

You know, these types of players just hold their value over a long period of time. Elite wide receivers up top. I'd much rather, you know, spend it on them and then do. you know, shit, Camara in the 10th or something. You know, in other words, fill backfill my running backs with players that are going to, you know, be just as sure a bet over the course of a year or two. Does that make sense?

Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this before. I mean, for Dynasty, I think if you're just looking at your running backs in like a two-year window and with older running backs, just a one-year utility, that's sort of the best way to build your rosters. One thing that I think is super interesting about Genty is, like the philosophical Dilemma that we had with Bijon a couple of years ago where the dynasty purists would make the argument, can your roster take on a player like Bijon? Like basically, is your roster ready to take on an elite running back? You don't have that argument this year.

Like the safety zone of can my roster handle Ashton Genty. And when you talk about like the shelf life of these running backs, like there's been a lot of people getting spoiled by the Henrys, the McCaffreys, certainly the Camaras, like the longevity. This is a sport where we've also seen guys like Todd Gurley who are on top of the world for like three years and then sort of maybe four years for Gurley and then sort of fall apart. David Johnson gave us like a 25 point per game season and that was sort of like the pinnacle. And then it was like kind of a slow drip down to the RB2 land and then out of the league. So running back, it happens. You know, I have, I'm in 20 leagues. I have two 101s.

One I earned fair and square by tanking. The other one I traded for this pick multiple years ago, and I'm a juggernaut. So I have a juggernaut, an absolute killer team, you know, unreal, like neighbors, Jamar Chase, like crazy Gibbs, whatever. It's stupid, right? That team, I will so gladly push the button for Genti and just not even think about it. The rebuild is actually, I think it's a 14 or 16 team league. The team is in shambles.

I am so, so eager to try and trade the 101 for as much value. as I possibly can. So it's not a, you're right. It's not a siloed conversation where you just say, this is what you do when you have the 101. Gentie's worth it. You know, in that rebuild, I'm looking to break that into as many pieces as possible. It's a deep league, you know, 16 team. I need so much that Genti isn't going to fix everything for me. Whereas the other team, it's like, cherry on top. Let's go. So yeah, you're absolutely right. The way that your team is, is constructed should dictate to you what you're doing with your assets. 100%. So we've basically gone about 15 minutes and we've put one player ranked into into tiers.

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and contact Desjardin today. We'd love to talk, business. Welcome back, Fantasy Football Daily. Theo Greminger with Jacksfell. Kone, aka Scott Bollinger. And Scott, you drop the undrafted podcast associated with the undropbles. You guys are putting out great content. We've, again, had a chance to podcast a million times.

But where we first connected was years ago, I was hosting the Goat District podcast. And you were dropping these anatomy of series, like on Twitter at the time, the pre-X days, talking about it was basically, I loved it. because a lot of times when we get into like deep analytics, you know, there can be some, it's a lot to take in when we're really, really trying to evaluate these players collectively. You basically came up with sort of a checklist that identified players that could hit at an exceptionally high level at the wide receiver

and the running back spot. Let's talk a little bit about your anatomy of series. Yeah, basically took the top 10, top 15, whatever it was, depending on position, the really, elite players in dynasty and I just simply shared the characteristics that they all shared together. Maybe there was some outliers. You know, if you look at, you know, career completion percentage among all these quarterbacks, it's like, okay, well, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson at the college level were outliers.

Everybody else was kind of there. And then sometimes you see things in, you know, in their profiles that like, you know, Jordan Love a little bit was, you know, part of the anatomy this past year because he was, you know, a top 12 dynasty quarterback asset. You know, so it's not, by the way, it's also not me that picks the players. I usually use some sort of consensus. I've been kind of using keep trade cut. If I want to make a change to it, I will.

But generally speaking, I try to go market value top 12 or market value top whatever. And Jordan Love is in there. But like one of the things I was always hesitant with Jordan Love was some of his turnover worthy throws. So like you look at career interception percentage, he jumps off the, off the page a little bit with a high mark. Right. So, you know, in other words, too many interceptions when he was in college. So, and you kind of see that a little bit in the pros where his completion percentage is lower as a prospect.

So as in his turnover worthy throws and interceptions, you kind of see a little erraticism with him, you know, in the pros as well. And that's kind of maybe his Achilles heel. So this is what we try to do. And then we take that and we look at some of the prospects and fit them in and see how they sort of compare to the more elite players in the NFL. How does their prospect profile sort of match up? And as you say, on a more simple level, as opposed to some nerdy level. Yeah, and I highly recommend you, you know, I'm sure that post-NFL draft, you're going to be updating a lot of that sort of on your feet on X.

Yep. And then you also will have a model where your model a couple of years ago, like really signaled out, Pukunakua, certainly signaled out Tank Dell, who was a massive win for us. Even if Tank Dell doesn't play another down, getting him in that sort of range. It was printing money, basically. So two years ago, you had to be a massive win. massive hits with this model.

And that model will be available to you over on the undropables, sort of in that crazy period between the end of the NFL draft and the start of rookie draft season. So I know that you're sort of like, we have to wait until the end of the NFL draft to discuss your model. But a mecha agbuka is a guy where a lot of your metrics sort of lean into. It's been a guy you've been high on for months. Talk about him a little bit.

I know overall this wide receiver class, it's nothing close to what we had last year, but there's still a couple players in this class that have some profiles that are appealing to you. Start with Igbuka. Yeah, by the way, the model will drop just after the NFL draft as soon as that data point, which is the final one goes in. It'll be available. We'll mention it. The other thing, too, is like, even sometimes, like, we were buying into Jerry Judy and JSN

because the model told us they were good. So this past off season, we had the historical. We had the historical data of the model to say, hey, we think because these guys are supposedly good, that we should be buying into them. Now, the player that that is this year is kind of be Troy Franklin, which is very scary. And I'm not advocating buying in,

but like a little bit kind of at cost. I mean, he's free 99. So sliding Troy Franklin onto your roster and seeing, he might be just one of those outliers. That's the model like that is not a good football player. It's obviously going to happen. But, you know, if we see some signs from him, early on, it may be that the model was right. We'll see. But obviously, no model, no person,

no nothing is 100% accurate. So it could just be that Troy Franklin's a straight bust in the model. In terms of Abuka, Abuka profiles very similarly to the aforementioned JSN. He's probably not quite the player. JSN is from analysis, nor is he that type of player from the modelism. He'll fall short of that as well. He's going to fall into sort of a, you know, the middle of the road, you know, anything over 90 with the model or even approaching 90 in that 90-ish range is going to be outstanding. That's where, you know, Jemar Chase, Justin Jefferson, C.D. Lamb, Malik neighbors, Marvin Harrison, Jr. That's where they are. In the 80s, you know, if you're high 80s, of course, you're touching that type of hierarchy. I think Abuka will be sort

of in that mid to low 80s. So, yeah, he'll profile similar to Amon, and JSN, which will be good. You know, I think he's got a very, very sturdy floor in the NFL. The ceiling is a question. We've saw it even with JSN a little bit. Didn't really show that ceiling yet. We're sort of prospecting or projecting that ceiling for JSM this year, but it hasn't arrived yet.

And maybe it will, maybe it won't. For Amon Ra, certainly it did, but he's also a lunatic. So there's something there. So we'll see exactly how, you know, I'm not advocating as Abuka wide receiver one necessarily, but I am saying that he's probably a really, really solid pick in your draft based off of all of that. Yeah, and I think when you talk about guys like JSN,

you talk about guys like Rashi Rice, this is a player where if an NFL team, and kind of the ultimate example of this was Cooper Cup, where if an NFL team just commits completely to hyper-targeting this player with size in the slot, Anne has a little bit of ability to kind of move around like we think Egbuka does. This is a player that could be really exciting for fantasy football. And I think with Igbuka, there's such safety with him where a lot of these other wide receivers,

I feel like it's a wide range of outcomes. With Igbuka, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't have at least a few wide receiver two seasons in his outcome. And he's the kind of guy that, like, when you reference the longevity of a wide receiver on your roster, you could see Igbuka be a guy that just said it and forget it. You leave him on your dynasty roster. And it's a guy you can just continually put in the wide receiver two, wide receiver three or flex spots. So I'm with you on Igbuka. Two other guys who are a little bit lower in the consensus and certainly guys that we don't anticipate will have the first round pedigree that at Ibuka could have.

Jaden Higgins, who's come up way, way up. And then also Trey Harris, who I think will be a day two selection where he's picked. I actually think is he's sort of been on a little bit of an opposite spectrum. with Higgins post-NFL combine, in my opinion. Higgins is the guy who gained a lot athletically. Harris, like, sort of didn't hurt himself, but didn't necessarily help himself at the combine. Your thoughts on, let's first Higgins,

a guy who I'm also very enthusiastic about. Yeah, so just to be clear, too, if we're talking about the anatomy versus the model, those are two different things. They really are, and that's what's kind of crazy is that, you know, the anatomy is more of a highlight of, you know, they're different. Long story short, if we talk about the anatomy, then Tet McMillan and Luther Burden,

along with a Mecca, are probably the three players that I would be saying the anatomy likes the most. The model probably, you know, likes Ibuka and others, those guys as well, for sure. But Higgins is the one that kind of surprised us in the model and was really, really good in the model. And then you go ahead and watch him, Higgins, that is, and he's really, exciting player to watch, you know, and the metrics are off the chart. So with me, Higgins, you know, and I've had Matt Waldman and others on my program. And the, the consensus is very, very high on Jaden Higgins. I think he's going to be drafted. I saw someone do a mock, an NFL mock where he was in the first round. I've seen mocks where he actually finds himself

in the late first round. Look, if he's anywhere close to that one-two turn, the model's going to just soar him, maybe even to wide receiver one. I don't know exactly what happens with that draft capital. By the way, I got a shout out to Jay Wood. You said my model, not my model, our model. I've got help. I would never be able to do it without the help of certain people. I'd be remiss not to say that every single time.

So I'm going to mention it. Jay Wood, Coder, thank you. But we're going to see where that takes him. And with draft capital, I think he could be very, very close to the model's wide receiver one. That's how good he is. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I'm quite there with, even if the landing spot is fantastic.

with Higgins, I don't know. Like for me, I'm not saying he'll be my wide receiver one. Yeah, no, I think, yeah, just the model will, the model will love him. Yeah. Thank you. No, I mean, I'm with you with when it comes to Higgins is,

I think the big question mark for me is just how much will an NFL team want to use him in the slot where he's got that incredible size. And Iowa State, you know, kept him outside predominantly because of Jill and Noel being just this incredible killer inside the slot where Higgin, is kind of looks like the kind of guy with that frame that could be a big slot with speed. And we talk about if NFL teams commit to a guy and want to utilize him there. And then just even if they don't want to use him inside at all, and he predominantly just plays the outside.

There's a lot to like with him. He's athletically checks a lot of boxes. He has size, big time production in college. Like we're talking about a guy who despite playing, playing alongside Jalen and Oll still had over 80 receptions. and I look at that early second round, Cleveland at 33, Tennessee at 35, Jacksonville 36, Vegas 37, New England 38. Like, I don't see Higgins necessarily getting out of that first 10 picks in the second round. So when we start looking at guys and we say they're going to be that early second round pick,

teams maneuver to kind of jump the posse and get their guy at the end of the first round. So I think if we're projecting to be an early second pick, then he could absolutely be a first rounder. Talk a little bit about Trey Harris, though. This has been a guy where a couple months back, me and you got in a little argument here, Matthew Golden, Trey Harris. Trey Harris has continually been your guy. Talk about him and some of the metrics, yards per route run, all the sort of metrics where Harris really kind of checks off boxes for you and the things that are appealing for you with him as a fantasy football prospect. Absolutely.

I'll finish with Higgins too, though. Higgins played about 30% in the slot his final two seasons. and still, even though he was outside, still out-targeted, was a better target per route run player than Jalen Noelle, even though Noelle seemingly should have been able to out-target him. There are some nuance issues with Jailen Noel. Jailen-Nuel, you know, he basically started off his career with a two-yard A-DOT. He went from like two to five to seven to 12 in his final season.

But if you look at, you know, Jaden Higgins, A-DOT, it was 15, 14, 13, and 12. I mean, he basically has been just, you know, down the field, middle of the field, he's been a winner at all those levels of the field. And that's why Jaden Higgins is a better prospect than Jalen Newell. He out-targeted him. We look at targets per route run. I think that's important. I mean, you look at some of the ways that the model was able to pull Ladd-McConkie, who were high on, Pooka, and Tank Dell, things like that, is because of their target earning ability. it's why the model likes both Jaden Higgins and a mecca at Buka.

Sometimes you just look at it and say, okay, these guys are earning targets. And especially like in a Buka's case where he's doing so against, you know, you know, with amazing teammates around him. You know, he'd be played with Garrett Wilson, Alave, Marvin Harrison Jr., right? The list goes on, right? So when we get to Trey Harris, the thing that I don't like from me personally and the anatomy doesn't like is he's a fifth year senior transfer.

That doesn't sound good. If I say that, that doesn't sound good. Now, the good news is that he performed, Trey Harris, that is, prior to his 50-year senior. Matter of fact, he was great at Louisiana Tech. He's been great his whole career. As a matter of fact, he does have the best, I believe. Actually, he's right behind Abuka and, well, Tess Johnson, I guess, too,

and first downs per route run. So, you know, converting first downs per route run is pretty big in the model. I've heard, you know, Ryan Heath has been sort of following us with this, you know, our model had that in there. And we heard him talking about it as well. So you guys are onto this data point as well. And Trey Harris was best in the class this past year in that metric and one of the best for his career, even though you could say he didn't do much early in his career.

So his yards per route run is three yards per route run, which is just off the charts, his senior year or his final season was 5.15 yards per route run. Now, that was destined to come down at some point, but where the hell was it going to end? I mean, you're talking about Tet McMillan at 2.87 Travis Hunter at 2.51 this past year. He was at 5.15 double their yards per route run. So he was a really, really effective player on a per route run basis, not just on a per target basis. It's not like, well, he was efficient per target. he was efficient.

Every time he was going out for a pass, he was open and making big plays. There are a few players that the fantasy football community, certain people would victory lap more than a Trey Harris getting the kind of draft capital that certain people are rooting for him to get. Like, if Trey Harris goes off the board in that range that I just referenced, Matt, excuse me, Jaden Higgins to go in. Yes.

There is going to be certain people just standing on their head. analytics community. There are certain analytics people that are just loving the profile for Harris. I think it's interesting because when we talk about these older prospects, sometimes the older big-bodied SEC wide receiver that gets round two draft capital has been sort of a prospect that we automatically fade. When it comes to Harris, what's interesting for me is it was a guy where I didn't think I'd necessarily have a lot. We had a big argument about this a couple of months back.

on another show. But now it's like all these other wide receivers are sort of creeped up. Harris is sort of where he is. So I'm not opposed to having some exposure to him. Definitely an interesting player and a polarizing one. But there is a community of Trey Harris backers right now that are getting fired up for the start of the NFL draft.

We're going to take a quick break. We come back. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Let me just touch one thing on that. So draft capital matters importantly. Even to the point that I made earlier about us looking at JSN and Jerry Judy and making a play for them.

And then I'm hesitant for Troy Franklin, even though he's good in the model. He was a fourth round pick. So that's part of the reason is that draft capital, I'll say this. Scott Connor has said it a bunch of times about the top 50 in the NFL draft positions. If you're a wide receiver drafted inside the top 50, which is just about the second round, I mean, first or second round, but even the first half of that second round, top 50 versus not top 50, the hit rate on those wide receivers versus outside is just incredible. Absolutely incredible.

It's so staggering. Yes, there's a few hits in there, Pooka and Akua, Amun Ra, of course. But look, if your favorite wide receiver goes outside the top 50, it's time to maybe bait a little bit. Don't get too excited. So I'm really looking for Trey Harris to get inside that top 50. If he does, I'm excited. If he doesn't, I won't be anti-Trey Harris, but I'll have to have some, you know,

some rationale to that take. Yeah, and I've seen Scott make that point, and Scott's one of the sharp ones out there for sure 100%. But I'll say this year, I'm going to give a little more leeway just because the power of the running back class. I'm going to push that down to 55 this year because, you know, we've got Seattle. Seattle picks 50, 52. Those are both good wide receiver landing spots. Denver at 51, good wide receiver landing spot. Then Green Bay at 54 and the LA Chargers at 55.

Look, it's not hard and fast. It's not hard and fast. But my point is, is when you start. to look at that. If a guy's picked, pick 95 and you're like, no, no, he's good. It's like, just be careful now. You know, 62 or something. It's, it's linear. I mean, it's not linear. It's, you know, you got to look at it and say, okay, here's where this guy was taken. And, yeah, we'll keep our eyes open for it, won't we? 100%. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to finish out our

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draft. What do you do for the NFL draft? What's like the situation where you're paying attention? You're sitting back on a couch. You have a specific food you like to eat. Like, what's your general NFL draft like go-to plan? Easy for you to say, right? You know, well, we've done, we've had some fun, man.

We've done undropables like, I don't know if it's a live stream. We may publish it, but ultimately it's like everybody's in the same Zoom or whatever, streamer or whatever you want to call it. And there's a lot of drinking, a lot of banter, a lot of takes. That's where I famously had my awful take that Drake May sucks. You know, I was super upset when the Pats took them. Which you've completely corrected and capitulated on. I was drinking heavily and excited that we would get, you know, trade back, get a haul and then still get a great player.

but we stuck and stuck and puck. That's not right. Sticked and picked. Anyway, we sat right there and took Drake May since turned out around. So yeah, I just love the draft man. I mean, there's no, no better time. And I think this year, Theo, day two, day two is the day. Because that's when we get all, I mean,

just going to be all the running backs and wide receivers, tight ends. Everything's going to day two. I love day two. If like, if you're in sort of this thing of ours, day two is always sort of where it's at. I can't wait for it. And before we break, Make sure you're following fantasy points YouTube. We are going to be streaming the entirety of the NFL draft.

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So we've established Ashton Genty as the lone man in Tier 1. How are we starting out Tier 2? I'll throw out sort of a low-hanging fruit. Cam Ward, the 101 quarterback, Super Flex. I'm throwing him into Tier 2 comfortably. Are you there? Yeah, I think so. Yes.

If he goes first overall, any first overall pick, I guess has to be at least a Tier 2 player, right? I mean, even if you hate him. So I would agree with that. I don't think there's another quarterback in Tier 2. I'd be happy to say that there's two tight ends in tier two, which is the Warren and Loveland, I think that's it. And wide receivers, you know, yeah, I think Travis Hunter,

you'd certainly have to say as a tier two player, I mean, if he were specifically and only and no doubt about it, a wide receiver, you could argue with him, maybe flirting with tier one for sure. So, but I think then there's probably like, I would put burden in there too. Burden, Tet, Apuka Hunter. I think that's probably it.

Because I really think Trey Harris and Higgins could potentially be a tier three type player because of some of their flaws. So I think that's probably my tier two. And then tier two running backs. I think it's Trayvion, Judkins, Caleb, who am I forgetting? Well, let's let's go through this like a little bit slower because let's combine the positions. No, no, I love the enthusiasm. That's where the head is at.

Yeah, you're, and you're, you're, you're, you're, you're super prepared for this one. And I, and like, I'll give you a shout out. So one of the best shoutouts I can give people, uh, in the dynasty space is,

and I have to recommend if you're, if you're in dynasty leagues or even if you're in a, like a redraft league and, and you want, you know, somebody else you kind of respect. Like having a, the consigliary,

a guy you can go to and not necessarily do exactly what they tell you to do, but if you need a second opinion on a dynasty trade, I mean, I'll creep in, I'll creep in the text messages. to you and I'll shoot you a random text about some trade I'm going to do I'll give you a shout out I'll give dan Williamson uh the host of stack hunter is a big shout out on that I and then Austin very very good player Austin Martin gets a big shout out on that one of the best dynasty players

out there Scott Connor I'll creep in too uh as well so the this time of year if you're doing dynasty trades at least have somebody that you really respect and you want to bounce an opinion off of so you definitely get get that one a couple years I'll send you a random it'll be a random text sometimes too so yeah a lot of fun let's let's let's let's slow down on on the tier real quick and just back it up. So let's say Superflex, let's say tight end premium, let's say PPR. I've established Ward in there. I'm going to go ahead and put Hampton in there.

Yeah, Hampton is right for that Hampton, I think, is sort of in this spot where I've said with Brett Whitefield and Scott on several pods that Hampton right now is my 102 in superflex formats. Like I think he's the kind of guy that's going to come in, give us multiple RB1 seasons. Now, this could quickly correct. when we get past the NFL draft. So I'll throw out Trayvion Henderson. Does he go into this sort of a tier for you?

Or are you a little bit more uncertain about the draft capital, the profile? Like, is he comfortably in this tier? Or is this somebody you'd want to push down to the next one? No, for me, he's tier two. Interestingly enough, I think pre-draft, I've been flirting with this, this idea that, you know, I'd take the top five running backs or something as the first five picks in Superflex. You know, that's not my take.

that's not my opinion, but I flirted with that take, and I started to, you know, put that together and decide if that was actually the, because here's the thing. If you, it's the Anthony Richardson versus Bejan thing, right? If you're sure a guy's good, just draft them. Yeah. Period. Right.

Like, what do you upset that you had Bejan instead of, you know, a quarterback? You know, I mean, it's okay. Just take the good players. Like, you know, it's just that simple sometimes. So I guess what I'm getting at here is I'm trying to identify the players that I'm most certain are good. Cam Ward is starting to creep into that, the range of, at the very least, he'll have runway. You know, you'll have an exit strategy with Cam Ward, even if you're starting to get, you know, cold feet.

You'll be able to get off them for at least re-roll a first round pick. Like, you know what I mean? He's not going away within a year. So for that reason, I think Cam Ward pre-draft would probably be my 102, but I think we're picking Nitz. Omarian, Trayvion, Judkins, Caleb. are pretty close. Caleb, you know, for me as that player, although I'm hearing some mixed messages about potential draft capital about potential scheme fit. Some people are cool on him because of the 40 time. That seems ridiculous. That's not a reason to fade him because at his size, his speed score was

still very, very good. So, you know, for all those reasons, I think Caleb's in that in that, in that group as well. So I really like all those players. I think, I think Trayvion could be the RB2. Again, I think you're going to need to see where he lands because, you know, if I told you they're going to try and run Trayvion up the middle 20, 25 times a game, you wouldn't be too excited. No. But if I told you a team was going to use them like Detroit uses Jemir Gibbs, you'd probably start unbuttoning your pants.

The very, very good way of putting it. I certainly would be unbuttoning my pants if we get a Trayvion Henderson in Denver or Washington. So I'll back it up. So I'll go Cam Ward, Hampton, Henderson. Judkins, for me, like I was telling you, I took him in a shout out to Thomas Tipple and Brett Whitefield, Scott Barrett, Jacob Sanderson. We're all in this league. And we have our rookie draft going on now.

I took Quinn Sean Judkins at the 108. And 108, I felt like this was a spot where it felt okay. It doesn't feel like you're winning the draft, but I think you're getting a guy who is going to give you some potential RB1 seasons. And I think that when we talk about backs that it can handle volume and we'll get the draft capital to get that opportunity to handle volume in their career. I think Judkins is there. But for me, I'm going to put him sort of in the next tier. I think it's, for me, it's Cam Ward, it's Hampton, it's Trayvion Henderson, I'm going to

jump Judkins down to tier three. I'm going to say it's Ted McMillan absolutely in, in tier two for me right now. And then I put both tight ends in there because we're talking about tight end premium. Yes. If it was not tight end premium, I would I would bump them down one. But in tight end premium, Lovelland and Warren are just such powerful assets for you to have. And if you're trying to complete a secondary trade, like if Warren and Loveland land really well, that's a pathway for me to tear up and go get a Trey McBride. Like that is not completely out of the wheelhouse

because I think there's going to be a ton of enthusiasm where in tight end premium even, it's like in order to go get one of those truly elite guys, I need another elite guy. That's going to sort of be there. And then I'll say this. I took Judkins ahead of Travelling. Hunter in our rookie draft now because we don't know the landing spots.

If Travis Hunter goes number two to Cleveland, I'm fully convinced. Travis Hunter is going to be a not full-time, but enough time wide receiver that he's going to be in our lineups for fantasy football. For me, it's the self-preservation aspect of Kevin Stefansky in a division with Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, that is a screaming shootout type division. and Hunter goes to Cleveland. It's like, I have to play Hunter in order to win games and compete with these high-powered offenses.

And I want to keep my job. And my defense is pretty good. What's the difference between that and the New York Giants? That's a very, very good point. Same exact thing. And I honestly, the same argument. Same argument.

And I would also say the Patriots who are devoid of talent on that, at that position, whereas they do have, you know, Carlton Davis and Gonzalez at, you know, at corner, they're not going to, they're not, he's not going to be a start. hurting corner there. He's not. He's a nickel corner or he's the third corner. I mean, I guess you could say it just doesn't make sense. So if they take him, they're going to have a purpose for him on the offense as well. So I really think right now, and we mentioned this on the underground pod, which go check out the Dynasty Underground, please. But my point is here that we talked about Travis Hunter and we started, I took Travis Hunter off my board because they were so

tired of the conversation. And of course, we came around to it. We had the conversation. But right now, we have clarity. We have clarity that I would say 90 to 99% he's going to one of those three teams, Cleveland, Giants, Patriots. And in those three situations, I think he's going to play offense and at least at a 50% snap share or something like that. I think he's playing offense, man. And so I think it's becoming more and more likely. And for those reasons, you really have to start thinking about Travis Hunter. I think he went in the right spot. I'm not saying that you're wrong for taking Judkins over him. It's close for sure. It's getting closer, is I guess my point. it's much less sexy than me taking Travis Hunter there, certainly. And again, it's one where it's post-NFL draft.

I might be really disappointed, but I'm happy to take Judkins. So I'll sort of start out Tier 3 with Judkins. I obviously really like him. I took him at the 108. In this exercise, he's falling in line at the 108 because we had six guys, correct me if I'm wrong in Tier 2. And then Judkins here, who am I forgetting here? let me pull up the rankings here.

So right now we have Ward, Hampton, Henderson, McMillan. Oh, because I put the tight ends there. So technically Judkins would be the 109 in this exercise. So Judkins at the 109, Burden's interesting. We talked about this one before the show about how like two months ago, I would have said, I'm not going to have a whole lot of Luther Burden. It wasn't a full fade for me, but it was a guy where he's going a little bit higher than I'm comfortable taking him in those early, early rookie drafts.

Now it's sort of gone full circle. There's been people poking holes in his game, and now Burden's falling into a spot where he's sort of a potential value for us in rookie drafts. And I understand that burden has some red flags where it's like, could this guy be a guy that needs to play the slot?

Yes, could this be a guy that is a lower A-dot guy than we'd like to see, maybe? But I think with burden, I think if he falls out of the first round and ends up in that sort of sweet spot that we talked about for Jaden Higgins. I think he's got some pathways to becoming a really fun fantasy asset. He went in the 202 for the draft that I'm in right now. And just your general thoughts for him, you advocated for tier three.

I'm not ready for tier three for him, but I will capitulate and put him into, or excuse me, for tier two, I'll capitulate and put him into tier three. But share your thoughts on him. Yeah, Luther Burton. I mean, I ascribe to what, you know, Scott Barrett was saying. I've used his commentary and his, you know, his tweets to make the point that we should be apprehensive with Luther Burden. I think he posted the percentage of targets that he got on just straight deep shots and screens or something like that. And it pulled up a phylum of players that was led by the likes of like Malachi Corley.

and it was an ugly list of players. Sure, I don't like that. But when you look at everything else, and even everything else, including some of the, I don't want to put all my eggs in Matthew Waldman's pocket, but he does have him as wide receiver one. And my question to Waldman on this past week's pod was very simple. It was like, okay, I mentioned the Scott Barrett information.

I said, look, this is troubling. That's a troubling thing that he was schemed and only that type of thing, you know, screens and unders and crosses and things like that where it's like just get them in space and let him make plays, which, by the way, he does, mistackles force off the chart. Okay. I said, well, what about, you know, can he go to the outside and make plays? Can he go back shoulder?

Can he run intermediate routes? Is that something that he didn't show as a skill set? And they, or was it that the quarterback didn't have that skill set? Because someone in his college offense couldn't do it, right? Because they didn't do it. So he says, no, no, he's got all those skills. He can do all those things. Now, it's a little bit of a leap of faith,

but every pick is a leap of faith. You just said Travis Hunter might be a defensive player for Crown allowed. So, you know, it's like we do have trap doors in every player. I think the trap door for Luther Burden is Leviscus-Chanalt problems, where he's just not a fully formed downfield. But I'll say this. Like, I've seen the haters out there with the Chanel references. is chanalt was like a four six guy.

Like burden is four is a four four flat. Like burden athletically, you're talking about six feet tall, you're talking about 205-ish, and you're talking about a four-four flat guy. So like the chenault people out there, like we went through the chenault era. Chanel was never like this sort of an athlete.

No. Chanel was always sort of a guy where there was a hive for him, but it wasn't like this clean of a prospect as burden. Not at all. I agreed. I'm saying that if he tends towards that and just, I think he's not going to be a Chanel level NFL player. I'm just saying like, you know, even a Percy Harvin, you know, where he never really hit his ceiling because too much things had to be schemed for him. Ultimately, at the end of the day,

I trust that I think, especially at his value, if you're at the one-two turn or early second, I think burden's a smash at that value for sure, as you point out, I think when you start pushing him up into the wide receiver one conversation where you're starting to choose inside the 106, well, it's a different bet. So I agree with you a thousand percent. I think the later you get in your draft, certainly into early round two, he absolutely is worth that bet.

And like you say, the body is six foot, 206 pounds, runs a four four flat. Like, that's a legit dude. His mistackles force per reception led the class by quite a margin. Everything really analytically is there.

I think people are disappointed by his final season. But just go look at sophomore season. It was off the chart. So analytically, if he sat out like Jamar Chase did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Not saying he's Jamar Chase. I'm just saying that sometimes you have to take all these data points with a grain of salt. And one of the data points is absolutely dominant sophomore season. So I'll throw Egbuka into this tier.

So it's Judkins, Burden. Egbuka, we talked about him at length earlier. I think we can both agree. He's sort of in this wheelhouse. Then I'll throw out Shadur Sanders and Jackson Dart. We're talking about Superflex. Even if we are, like, and we could talk about our enthusiasm levels for either of these

quarterbacks and certainly recommend the podcast that I've done several of these with Brett Whitefield. We had Pat Corrine on the other day. Like we dove into a lot of these rookie prospects. So anybody listening to Fantasy Football Daily has heard a lot of different people give different takes on Shadur Sanders. Best, most positive one was Thor Nystrom, who said he's Drew Breeze comp. There's been other people who view him as sort of a Gino.

But we're both projecting to go inside of round one. It sounds like New Orleans is the favorite. The second favorite now is Pittsburgh, potentially trading up. And then, of course, the teams like New York and Cleveland, if there was a trade down, they would be in the wheelhouse there as well. Vegas is actually, I think, fifth or six for Chardin now in the odds. And then Jackson darts a guy where the two of us have been high on him. I think he's going to go in round one.

and I can always adjust this post-Rookie draft, but excuse me, post-N-Fel draft, but right now Jackson Dart definitely goes in this tier. And I think for me, that kind of closes out the tier. And tier four is, well, for me personally, I'd put Golden in here, but I don't want to force you to put him in our sort of collective tier.

Well, you won't. Yeah, so we'll take a break. We're going to capitulate on Golden, and you're going to capitulate a little on Caleb because I'm going to push him to the start of next year. We're going to take a quick break. we come back, we're talking about Tier 4. Welcome back, Fantasy Football Daily.

We are up to our fourth tier. So Tier 3 was Quinchon Judkins, Luther Burden, Jackson, Dardt, Shadurr Sanders, Emeka, Agbuka. I capitulate a little bit on Matthew Golden, and you had to capitulate a little on Caleb. I love Caleb. I think Caleb's going to have a correction post-NFL draft, but I do think the range of outcomes for his landing spot

are a little less clear than like a Quinnshot Judkins, who I think could go as high as the first pick in the second round. Now, Caleb Johnson has some landing spots where there's a big, big correction here. And he steams way up two tiers. Dallas Cowboys select him at 44. I mean, that's complete wheels up. There's a number of these sort of spots. Like, I'm with you there.

Anything to add on Caleb? I have Caleb in my tier two. Yeah. So you're big time on Caleb. Yeah. I mean, the only thing that can hurt him is draft capital. I would argue, too, that these two quarterbacks, you know, the Chador and Jackson DART are entirely draft capital dependent because Chador doesn't have

rushing upside really. He doesn't have this sort of like if he goes early second, I'm not saying you will. I don't think that's going to happen. But yeah, he's not Jalen Hertz as an early second round pick because he doesn't have that sort of rushing upside. Yeah, maybe he's Drew Breeze, as you say, but that's a thin out. You know, that's a real thin, thin out. So I don't like betting on thin outs. And you know, with Jackson Dart, same thing, man. There's there's, there's a lot of film guys who are very dubious of him and even the ones look everybody who's pro jackson dart and who's anti jackson dart have similar analysis really it's not like they're seeing different things they're just valuing those inadequacies differently so all that's there i think

look matthew golden people want to hear me say it you know scott barrett has said it millions of times i mean look analytically period analytically he's a bust he's a trap analytically. Unfortunately or fortunately, the game is not played analytically. It's played on the football field. And it's possible that the analytics is going to be wrong about him. That's, I'm ready to say, I don't, what do I know? Math is math or numbers or numbers. Now, they have a very, very strong historical track record. They really do, man. So it's hard to bet against the math. Insurance companies don't do that. You know, insurance companies, they bet on the math and they win. So if you're an insurance company,

you're betting against Matthew Golden. But if you look at him play, I understand he's a good player. I understand all that. I've looked at why maybe the math isn't very good for him. And I've asked about teammates score and people will bring up, you know, oh, he played with Tank Dell is freshman year.

Actually, he's pretty good. I would say his freshman season is a positive data point. His second season is not a positive data point, but I think he got hurt. His third season, so okay, so you can, say he has a good data point was a turf toe thing a little bit year two yep you could say he has a good data point year one uh injured data point year two the year three one everybody said well i played with quinn you or who could succeed there it's like well zavier worthy or what i don't know name of the

player that we'd like we like zaver worthy we didn't like ad knight mitchell i mean for the same reasons it's not like we don't like adenai mitchell or matthew golden but analytically not as good but zavier worthy we did so yeah it's possible and then i'll say teammate score like a boot you know he's nowhere near Abuka or anything, and Abuca played with all these amazing players, and then someone will bring up Isaiah Bond. It's like, get the hell out of here. Gunner Helm, you're saying that that's a reason. You don't think he's going to have players better than Gunner Helm and Isaiah Bond.

On the NFL team he plays, and of course he's going to. But I keep searching for the out that I can give him so that I can say, okay, the analytics are a little bit tarnished. The one I would say is actually it was his first year in Texas, and maybe, maybe there were some hierarchy stuff that he had to fight through. That much you could say. And that's why late in the season, he looked a bit better than he did early in the season. That's an argument I would hear.

Yeah. So I've made that argument when it comes to Golden. And people don't like to hear the word like sort of late bloomer in the offense. But when the money was on the table and it was the biggest games of the season for Texas, he completely stepped up. It was a dominating performance against Georgia in the SEC championship games. against a bunch of Sunday players at defensive back for Georgia. And then what he did against Arizona State was just phenomenal, gets banged up in the game

against Ohio State. So we really didn't get a full picture there. But, you know, I spent, we had a very long conversation where Rich Riebar, Scott Barrett, like very, very smart people, yourself, apprehensive on Golden. I've been sort of team Matthew Golden for a while now. I've made the argument to Ladd McConkey, where we, We had a large portion of the community who was also not really into Ladd-McConkey last year. And then there was a big correction post-N-FL draft when it came to McConkey.

But a lot of the arguments for Golden with the production, like McConkey never had a year that was more than a, he didn't have an 800 receiving yard season at Georgia. Like there's some parallels there. But, you know, we have more players to talk about for sure. Well, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. One point here.

One point here. Yeah, go ahead. One point here. Ladd-McConkey, first down per route run, dwarfs him, targets per route run, yards per route run, dwarfs Matthew Golden. So let's not put Matthew Golden. I'm not letting you get away with that slant. Okay, but you will agree with me that there was a segment of people who were not necessarily

anti-Lad McConkey, but trying to poke a million holes in Ladd-McConkey. You also had the Ladd-McConkey last year, people talking about the age of the player. And we're talking about a guy who was, you know, a 22 year old who didn't have a big season, checked off a bunch of boxes, had a lot of steam and momentum from the senior bowl, followed up by the NFL,

the NFL Combine. Then there was a period of time where there were certain people who were poking holes in the McConkey. There was some sharp sites out there who were poking holes on him. So I'm just throwing that out there. Look, anybody who's going to ignore things like yards per route run, first down for out run, targets per out run, those three very simple, easy-to-find metrics.

We're not talking about something crazy, but looking beneath the box score. And when we look beneath the box score on Matthew Golden, it is awful. Just saying. It just is. I'm not. I don't know.

Maybe he's going to be awesome. I'm ready to be wrong on this, but I'm just saying that is a big difference between him and Ladd-McConkey, and it's important your listeners hear that. No, 100%. And I'm sort of in the minority here, the pro-golden. But again, my being pro-golden, I'm not going to say to take him with the one

And I don't think you'll have to. Even if he goes in the top 15, I don't think there's going to be some unbelievable steam. Maybe there's a scenario where he's a shock pick to the Miami Dolphins at 13. And the team, basically, we hear from the beat reporters that Tyree Kill is getting cut on June 1st if they can't trade him. I think that sort of landing spot will get people a little bit excited because it would be a speed wide receiver in the mic. But there's few spots like that. Then Matthew Golden will fill his destiny.

which is being drafted by somebody else in your rookie draft, so it pushes a better player to you. And that was the value of Matthew Golden. But I'm just saying scenarios where he's going to steam like way, way, way, way, way up. Because we're also factoring in, there's going to be running back landing spots of guys we didn't even talk about that are really, really positive. Let's say, Bachel Tootin goes 43 to the San Francisco 49ers as the McAfrey's replacement in 2026.

Like you're getting excited. Like there's going to be a bunch of landing spots like that. So I'll say Caleb Johnson, Matthew Golden for me, sort of in this tier, who else do you want to push up in this tier, final, like guys that we didn't talk about that you think are deserving to get pushed up that we haven't mentioned and sort of being tier ranked. Let me look here real quick. Where am I? Okay.

So, well, look, you point out the running backs. For me, you know, it's like I sometimes will say I like the running back six in this class. and it's like 12 guys. But no, and I think you clarify that one a little bit. I think that's actually a fine way of looking at it. I would argue that like we could name about six running backs here. Like I'll say that I think Basial Tutin's going to get exceptional draft capital. And I'm sort of in the minority here.

I know that Scott agrees with me. Brett Whitefield does. But I've had other guests on who say, you know, we're hoping Tutton goes on day two. I'm like, I think Tutton could fire into round two based on sort of the what NFL is chasing these days. I'll say Tutin, I'll say I'm not a huge scatabo guy. And I'd like to hear your thoughts on him in a second. But if he ends up landing well,

let's say he's drafted to Kansas City at the end of second round or with that pick that they have right at the beginning of the third round, like he's going to steam up into this. Then you can look at guys. I mean, you could make a list of running backs here. You can make a list of running. Dylan Samson. Like I agree with you.

RJ Harvey Harvey. Running back six is. going to have a ton of value. Yeah. And, you know, for me, it's like guys like R.J. Harvey, Cam Scadabo, Jarquez Hunter. I love DJ Giddens and Bayshell Tootin. I think Jalen Milrow, whether you like him or not, is going to be drafted with a little bit of a purpose. Like, what if it's Pittsburgh or something like that? Like I keep getting excited. Even if it's second round, Pittsburgh, I'm fine with it. Well, I'll give you the spot. I'll give you a hypothetical spot for Milro and you tell me where you think he should be in our tears. When I look at the tea leaves,

of the way that the NFL draft is is is kind of heading and brett whitefield now are going to do a NFL mock draft like a final one where we're going to go through every single pick in the first round that should be dropping right here on this feed sometime in the next week jillan milrow for me won't go in the first round but i know brett is talking about him potentially being a first round pick i think he's going to end up going with the number one pick in the second round because i think Cleveland's going to take, Cleveland's going to take, you know, Travis Hunter at the 102. And then take a swing. And they'll take a swing because they have other picks.

And when we talk about their quarterback room, it's just so barren. Why not take that swing with Milro? And his only bar would be a 40-year-old Joe Flacco or a journeyman Kenny Pickett. Yeah. That's sort of the spot for me. and Cleveland wouldn't have to trade back up into, wouldn't have to trade back up into the first round to get them. And then they have two picks in the third round,

67 and 94, to go and do whatever they need to do. And then they have that very early fourth rounder. So basically they have three picks between 67 and 104. I think they might swing on Millrow right there at the beginning of the second. Look, he's got to be considered. If you're in a dynasty rookie draft and Jalen Millrow gets any sort of early round two, you know, draft capital, you got to just, you got to, look, even Jalen Hertz when he was like behind Carson Wentz, who at the time was like a top 15 dynasty quarterback

or something, maybe even higher than that. I don't remember his exact spot, but, you know, he was no slouch. Everybody was like, what the hell they do that for? Everybody thought it was a huge mistake, drafting a backup who's never going to play and how'd that turn out. So I think when you have that type of talent, what I mean, talent, four, four wheels and a little bit of draft capital is all you need. I also think Harold Fanon is here at this particular point. You and I have talked about it. I was a little bit out on Harold Fanon, and the reason I'm out on Harold Fanon is because I believe the NFL is out on him.

If the NFL is out, then it doesn't matter if we like them. A player has to get onto the field in order to score fantasy points. But I listened to Dwayne McFarlane and Ian Hartett's talk about the tight end class, and they got me all the way back in on Fanon. And the reason I was in on Fanon from the beginning is because he's the ultimate an upside swing. He remains that. He just doesn't remain that if he gets drafted in the late fourth round or something like that.

Then you really have to push him down, but I really love that. And then wide receivers for me is going to be guys like, you know, you can throw Matthew Golden in this area, but, you know, Jalen Noel, Jalen Royals, I am in Orr's pretty good. Oh yeah, Higgins is already Yeah, Higgins, yeah, for sure.

I mean, for me, Higgins is right there with the, look, I have Trey Harris, Emeka, and Jaden Higgins, back to back, those three guys are right there. you know, early second. You know, I'm looking to draft Jaden Higgins with purpose. Jaden Higgins is going to go at the one-two turn in the NFL draft. He's going to go at the one-two turn in your rookie draft.

I'm telling you, he's an absolute player. 100%. One player who I want to get your opinion on before we close out here, we've sort of thrown all these running backs into a bucket. But a player that I want to get your opinion on is Cam Scataboo. Because this is one where, again, he's like Scott Barrett pushing the chips in on him. there's a number of other people I really respect who have pushed the chips in on him.

Then there's a segment of people who have sort of made arguments that he'll end up being maybe like the 12th running back off the board because the NFL might value athleticism a little bit more. We could be talking about early round four, Scada Bow, maybe end to round three.

And you're having to balance sort of your, just how in are you on this prospect? I'm just curious where you're at on him. Let's say he goes in the middle of the third round. How are you treating, Cam Scatabu as a player that you should get access to for your dynasty teams. Cam Scadabotabot, you know, analytically I'm way in on. I mean, you really have to be, I think a lot of it is he's white.

I got to be honest with you. I think if he weren't white, there would be a lot of different analysis on him. You see the lazy comps to other white running backs. I don't understand it. Like, you know, athletically, he's very similar to David Montgomery and Josh Jacobs. As a player, he broke tackles out of David Montgomery level. He is only behind Ashton Genty in this class and mistackles force per rush for his career and this past season. He's over six yards per rush for his career.

This past season, it was 5.8. That's very good. His 15-yard run rate for his career is better than Judkins, better than Amari in Hampton. So, you know, he's right there with those guys. Yards per route run, one of the best in the class. He's right there with Ashen Genty in terms of yards per route run. he's got 69 career total receptions. Nice.

And he's 12.9 yards per reception for his career. That's the best in this class. Ahead of Marcus Yarns, ahead of R.J. Harvey, ahead of Breschard Smith, who was a wide receiver for his career. His PFF grade was second in the class only to Aschen Genty. He's just been really good. He breaks tackles. He was a force on one of the better teams in the country.

Like, I mean, what else do you want? If he gets third round draft capital, you have to ignore the fact that he ran somewhat slow. We kind of knew he was somewhat slow. You know, who else was somewhat slow? Josh Jacobs. You know, I'm not saying he is Josh Jacobs. Korean time. Yeah, he's just, he's going to be a tough son of a bitch to bring down in the NFL.

Now, the question is, he also had pretty good burst, by the way, too. Right. So in his, you know, at the combine, he jumped really well, which is good because he has that burst through the line. He's not a plodder. He just doesn't have high-end speed, which we knew. There's a lot of NFL, great NFL running backs who don't have that high-end breakaway speed. It's okay. He actually, like I said, his 15-yard run rate in college was as good as some of these other

guys and better than most. So, yeah, for all those reasons, I think you've got to really pay attention to Cam Scatibo. Obviously, again, I hate saying it, but landing spot will determine whether or not we give a shit in a lot of ways with these running back prospects, all of them, you know. 63 overall to Kansas City. That's the spot that I've circled for Scadabo or 66. Like right though, they have a double chance. The spot where I think he'll go is I think 78 to Arizona because I think the internal

pressure there to draft him if he's on the board. When you talk about, you know, guys like Pat Tillman and Jake Plummer that have played at local, local Arizona state guys who end up being like Cardinals kind of legends. That's that that that's sort of like for me that's that would be sort of poetic. Give me your cam scadabot spot that would get you excited. It's a realistic spot. I mean, you can't beat your Kansas City one. There you go. No, you can't. You can't. I mean, we talked about this on my show. I don't know, whatever show. You and I have talked about this recently, the Kansas City landing spot is being as good as it can be. Here's a guy who can score

touchdowns too, right? So, you know, it's like we want them to be able to be a good enough goal lineback. Well, this kid's a goal lineback for sure. I mean, because he's a make you miss in small spaces type of player. So that's great. And he also has passing game, legit passing game upside. Like I said, he's, it leads the class in yards per reception on nearly 70 receptions. I mean, that's really, really great. So he can play down the field a bit. And in a Patrick Mahomes offense where he doesn't, I mean, he does scramble some, but he's not a rusher. He's going to be able to, you know, to to dump off and use his running backs as wide receivers.

Look, I think Jared McKinnon had five receiving touchdowns one season. I mean, the guy didn't even play but five games. So those receiving touchdowns are there for the pickings as well in Kansas City. Dude, there is no better spot. I can't beat it. Yeah, 100%. And highly

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