Fantasy Football Daily - Jonathan Taylor UPDATE + Cutdown Day News | Two-Point Stance Podcast

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

So Jonathan Taylor wasn't traded, but the news doesn't end there. He's on the PUP list and will miss the first FOUR weeks! How does this impact your decision to draft him? What about all the other cuts and moves from the NFL? We've got Graham Barfield riding shotgun for the latest Two-Point Stance podcast. Drake and Dolan hit Graham with the following: - Dallas' thin backfield - Rhamondre Stevenson's competitionn in New England - The Lions RBs are screaming values - The biggest steal on the board lives in Chicago. FantasyPoints.com is your home for the best in redraft, NFL betting, DFS, and props this season. Get your cheat sheets for this weekend printed from Fantasy Points! Follow us on Twitter (never X): twitter.com/fantasypts twitter.com/FG_dolan twitter.com/DrakeFantasy Need a draft board? FJFantasy.com will get you a quality board before draft day! Use code "FantasyPTS10" to save 10% off your order. Our good friend Dr. Edwin Porras' "Injury [Pro]ne Draft Guide is available https://injuryproneguide.myshopify.com/ Use code "InjuryPorne25" to save 25% Play best ball on Underdog with our code "FantasyPTS" Double your first-time deposit up to $100. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top-level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. The Fantasy Universe, welcome everybody to the two-point stance, powered by FantasyPoint.com. I'm your boy, Brian Drake. Check me out on the old Twitter machine. Never call it X at Drake Fantasy. hanging and banging. I'm going to make that a thing, Joe,

with my partner, Mr. Joe Dolan, the managing editor of fantasy points.com at FG underscore Dolan. Do you ever get tired of me saying hanging and banging at the beginning of the podcast or have you just blocked it out by now? I've completely blocked it out. I was answering some customer service tickets while you were doing that, Drake. How are you guys doing?

How are you doing this morning? It's good to be with you. Joe's a master of multitasker at this point. It's incredible. That voice you hear is the great Graham Barfield. You can follow him at Graham Barfield on Twitter. He's here because it was Cutdown Day in the NFL on Tuesday. So teams are down to 53 men or around that point.

Some have less and some will be adding a few more. So we're going to go through some of the big storylines of the day and how they're going to impact possibly your fantasy football drafts coming up over Labor Day weekend. So Graham, welcome in, man. Any big surprises from Cutdown Day? before we really get into the nuts and bolts? We'll get to the running back there in Indy. That was definitely a surprise.

What a mess that is. But no, not really. I mean, honestly, it was kind of quiet. I expected maybe a few more trades. We got kicker trades, which was fun. Jake Sealy is tilting his mind out right now. But hey, no, football's on our doorstep. We finally had actual real football in a week.

I'm pumped. We do. And someone who doesn't have real football coming up in a week or two is Jonathan Taylor, because he was left on the PUP. list by the Indianapolis Colts. He did not get traded. All the mystery teams and the Miami Dolphins and you name it, he did not go anywhere. He is at the moment staying in Indianapolis on the Pupplest. So Graham, let's start with you. He's going to miss the first four weeks of the season at

least on the Pup list. Where are you if you are even drafting Jonathan Taylor at this point? I know we've updated our rankings at FantasyPoint.com. And do you have any interest in the Zach Moss, Evan Hull Dion Jackson's of the world. Sure. So we were talking about this before the show. We were talking about with John and group chat. We put Taylor at like RB27, which is around like that album, Camara tier. And I think that makes a lot of sense, right?

Camara's going to miss three games. Taylor might be hurt. And Joe, you and I were talking about this too. Like the only, the only thing that makes logical sense here is that Taylor is actually hurt. And if you look back like the last quote from Chris Ballard, their GM is him saying like, yeah, we just got to get him 100% before we do anything. And I think he was inferring like, we got to get him 100% before we trade him.

At this point, I mean, I'm probably trying to make, you know, sense out of the sense list with Taylor. I have kind of, I was shying away a little bit in the third round just because I felt like something was up. I was taking Josh Jacobs and Derek Henry had of him. Now I'm pretty much completely out. You know, like I said, we have him RB 27 in that car Camara range. Personal rankings, I've got him like RB 29. Again, there's a significantly higher risk now that he plays zero games this year, right? Like, significantly.

And as for the Colts guys right now, I've got Evan Hull at the top, but I don't feel confident about it. I've got Zach Moss. I think Zach Moss is the best runner out of this group. I've got him at two, and then I've got Deion Jackson at three because he's really just like a passing down player. But Joe, they've got to sign Cream Hunt, right? Like, that's going to happen. They got to sign somebody. Look, and let's start to peel back the layers of this onion.

here because there are two there are two things at work here number one is occum's razor and occum's razor the simplest and most logical explanation is that jonathan taylor as you said is hurt and if jonathan taylor is hurt then that would explain why the colts don't want to sign him to an extension now i have said all offseason that i support the fact that jonathan taylor you know maybe wants to be a revolutionary he wants to be the william wallace of running backs, you know, like, I totally appreciate that. But if he is hurt, I also get the Colts perspective here. On the other hand, I, the Urse's razor is he is a reactionary person who likes to be extremely online. And I wonder if the running backs don't matter stuff.

just got in the wrong hands. You know, like the genetic science in Jurassic Park got into the wrong hands. You're too preoccupied with whether or not you could that you didn't stop to think if you should. And Ursa is like, well, all these geniuses on the internet make their entire personalities about how running backs don't matter. And I'm not going to be the guy who they're going to point and laugh at. I think that's a pretty logical explanation for what's happening here too. And then you have to go back to the fact that, oh, go out and play and perform and then we'll pay you.

Josh Jacobs and Sequin Barkley just went out and performed and put up big seasons and they didn't get paid. So Jonathan Taylor is in a, this is a really interesting situation that is coming to a head. I think it's the right mix of a young running back who has produced, just got hurt for the first time in his life, and the wrong owner to handle the situation. It's almost like, it kind of reminds me of what the angels are doing and Art Marino's doing with Hotani. It's like you're frozen in time, right? Like you don't want to be the guy who traded your best player, but you also don't want to pay on like a huge market contract.

And now Otani's hurt. But it's, there's no doubt, Joe, like, Erse has bungled this situation and just like long term, the Colts are in a rough spot for free agents. Like, I can't imagine any smart free agent with a good agent. would be like, yeah, let's go try to negotiate with the Colts right now. You know, like long term, this is, this is a mess. Real quick, I'll just kick it back. Like, what is, if Taylor comes back week five, right?

Like, what are we projecting here, right? Because this is, it'll be him and some veteran and then probably Evan Hull and Zach Moss. Like, can we even expect Taylor to be the same, like, Belcow type player? Like, this is that, this is all the, the, things running in my head right now. If he comes back week five, it completely depends on does he have a new contract or is he on a new team? Yeah, because that's the thing.

If he doesn't have a new contract, he's playing for the Colts, the first time he, like, clips a toenail. He's not going to play. All he's going to do if he is with the Colts is play just well enough to pull his contract and then get the hell out of town. That's what he's going to do. See, this is why stuff is so tricky sometimes. Chris Wecht and I were going back and forth in this.

he pulled like the PUP rules. And since Taylor's in the last year of his deal, his contract would toll even if you, it would not toll, sorry, even if he stayed on PUP all year. So if they reverted him to reserve PUP, he would be out of his rookie contract. He'd be a free agent. So that's the thing is like, what were the Colts thinking in all of this? Like you activate him off PUP and then he, you know, you don't, you could possibly still move him but now you can't you've backed yourself into a corner because his contract is up you know

you just killed all your leverage than a trade pick so but here's the other thing i don't know i really don't know if he's not hurt and they keep him on the pup taylor can file a grievance so exactly i like there's all kinds of angles to this the fact of the matter is look if you're listening to this from a fantasy football perspective and i guarantee you there are people out there doing podcast about his contract that understand the situation better than we do. From a fantasy football perspective, Grant, I think the simplest explanation is just don't draft them. Yeah.

And I hate to say that about a player who's extremely talented. And obviously we know if he's out there and he's healthy, he has top five running back in his range of outcomes. But I'm with you. There's just so many extenuating circumstances here. I think the best advice I could give right now is like draft him in that range where like they're really risky but high upside like RB2-ish guys go like Camara like Swift. Those guys are just like have super low floors.

Like you know what the floor is, but the ceiling is there. You're going to be taking four zeros. Also check your IR rules. Some leagues don't allow you to put players that are on PUP on IR. So that might be a little extra carrot to draft them if you can stash him on IR just to get an extra roster spot. But this is a mess. I mean, it's an absolute.

Look, I was in a little. the league last night. I was, so I ended up with Rashad Penny as my fifth running back. It's a really soft Yahoo Public League. And it basically what I did was I loaded up at wide receivers and I just threw a bunch of darts at running back knowing that some of these darts were going to land. I was going to take Jonathan Taylor before I took Rashad Penny. Just because I'm like, all right, Rashad Penny, we already know, like, and Jonathan Taylor has a higher ceiling than Rashad Penny. So I'm like, I was going to take him. Somebody ended up taking them and I was okay with that. But you have to understand.

this can legitimately be a league winning pick or you he might sit the entire season. At the very least when you look at a guy like Rashad Penny, you know Rashad Penny is going to suit up week one. Now beyond that, it's crazy to say. Beyond that, who knows. Oh my God. But Jonathan Taylor, there is Levy on Bell potential here. Yeah.

And that's the situation. I've got two thoughts on this. Number one, if he does play and he plays as we know Jonathan Taylor to play, I love his potential when you've got a mobile quarterback in this Shane Stike in offense. Think of what Miles Sanders did last year with Jalen Hertz. Obviously, they don't have the exact same offensive line. But the gap and that split second that defenders are going to have to read to think about Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Taylor can get through a hole.

I think you could have a solid year. If you're a fantasy player in a league where you keep players the following year at whatever value you drafted them at, that's where you can get sneaky with Jonathan Taylor. imagine Jonathan Taylor falls into the fifth round of your draft. You can draft him there and then the following year, keep him when he's either fully paid or on a new team. So just know your league rules out there. It might be a nice way to get a star player on the cheap. Well, we're talking backfields here.

Let's go down to Big D in Dallas. Their backfield's a little light. There's Tony Pollard, Rico Dowdell, and the diminutive one, Deuce Vaughn, who is drawing all sorts of Darren Sproul's. nostalgia from people out there in the Twitterverse. I mean, this was a spot, guys. We lost Zeke. Maybe you thought, okay, this is a nice spot for Fournette.

Maybe Hunt comes in here. Are they really going to roll with Pollard, Dowdell, and Deuce Vaughn? Does this just mean more wheels up for Tony Pollard, Graham? Yeah, I mean, I've been saying it all offseason. You look at their personnel. I don't care what Mike McCarthy said. This is going to be a pass first team. They've got three great wide receivers.

They're going to be an 11 personnel heavy team. and it's going to be about, you know, quick timing passes, West Coast offense, on a McCarthy. And yeah, Pollard is the clear, he's been the clear RB one here all offseason. I didn't expect them to come out and, you know, like sign Dalvin Cook like somebody who's legitimately good. I'm with you, though, Drake. I thought they'd sign somebody to kind of give Pollard, you know, some insurance.

But, yeah, man, I mean, it's going to be some type of like lowercase Austin Echler workload for him, 200 to 220 carries, 70 to 80 targets on top five, top six offense. Like, I've been hammering Pollard. You know, he's been my guy. Deuce Vaughn is, I legitimately think Joe, Deuce Fon's their RB2. It's kind of crazy to think about, but I think he's like, yeah, I think he's like their four to six type touch player and there you go. Here's the thing, though, do Svon is not getting 20 carries if Tony Pollard is hurt.

He's a true change of pace. And by the way, first and foremost, I understand the Darren Sproll. comparisons. He shortly went to Kansas State. Those comparisons are going to happen. Darren Sproles has an ass the size of a dump truck. Okay. Duce Vaughn is slight. And Darren Sproles, by the way, was never a 20 carry-a-game guy. He was always a change-up. So I'm not trying to say that Duce Vaughn can't be explosive in a certain role. And hell, maybe even in certain games, he could have some fantasy flex value. But if Tony Pollard goes down, Duce Fawn is not the R-B-1. It just cannot have.

happen. He is too small. And maybe for one game, it works out that way. Maybe for two games, it works out that way. But it's not going to work out that way for six, seven, eight games. If Tony Pollard suffers, let's say an injury like he suffered in the division around last year, it's just not going to happen. But for now, Deuce Vaughn is definitely the second back you want on the Cowboys. I just don't think you can call him handcuff. No, if anything happens to Pollard, it'll be doubtle. And to your point, Sproles was like, 10 pounds heavier, you know, I mean, Deuce is legit tiny. They could definitely bring in a veteran too still.

I mean, there's still going to be some guys floating out here in the next couple days as we go through camp cutdowns. We'll see. But yeah, locked and loaded on Pollard. Another team that's pretty light in the backfield are the Detroit Lions, but at least their two options are pretty good. We've got what I consider to be the best value in fantasy drafts right now, David Montgomery and rookie Jameer Gibbs, who we know Joe is very high on.

Just to put this into context, folks, Jamal Williams last year, per fantasy points data had 84.6 of a percent of the lions carries inside the five yard line. He's not there anymore. So that's either all going to go to mostly Montgomery, maybe Gibbs gets a little in there. There is a huge window of opportunity for these two running backs. And looking at Fantasy Pro's consensus ADP, Jemir Gibbs is running back 14 with an ADP, you know, in the early 30s. You got to scroll all the way down to RB 31 in the mid-70s for David Montgomery here.

If I'm drafting this weekend, I got a big star next to David Montgomery's name, and I'm making sure I grab his ass. What do you guys think? Montgomery's been a value for me in basketball for sure. I like him when I think Montgomery fits like a specific team build. Like if you've got Pollard is your RB1 and you just like need a steady RB2 and you went like superhero running back, I love Montgomery on those types of teams. Yeah, I think he's a solid.

floor play. Gibbs would need to get hurt for him to like really smash a ceiling. And I think that's why I've been, you know, taking like Rashad White and James Connor like clear bell cows ahead of them. But Montgomery has been a, I think a strong value. I mean, there's a one point in this offseason. He was going to like the eighth round. Also on their backfield, like they could definitely bring back, bring back, bring back. They're not going to go into the season with just two. So, yeah, lions, lines backfield though. Once again, I mean, they're going to be a super productive, super productive unit and I think they're both kind of fairly priced.

I've been with you though, Drake. Mostly I've been drafting Montgomery out of the two. Joe, I know you loves me some Jemir Gibbs. I just drafted Jemir Gibbs. As a matter of fact, I just took him in Edwin Porras's injury prone invitational. Super Flex League. I took him as my RB1 and I took him in the fifth round.

I absolutely goose Tom Broley on him too. I saw Tom Broly take Joe Mixing after him and I was like, oh, I definitely just got Bronley. and good. That's a great price. That's a great price. Yeah. So I got my, I got two quarterbacks and two receivers before I took them. And that's kind of like, I love Jemir Gibbs, but this is not somebody. Like when I say I love him, I'm not saying, oh, this is somebody I'm going to go into the second round to draft. I want him. If he's going to be my RB1, it's going to be on a team where I have two really good wide receivers. And that's going to be the case. And on this team,

I have Justin Herbert, Stefan Diggs, Dak Prescott, and a Herbert stack with Keenan Allen. Okay, then that's where the Super Flex team. That's where I'm taking Jamir Gibbs is my one. But I just feel like the upside is there where he's just so much more appealing than a guy like Joe Mixen at this point. And I know Scott Barrett loves him some Joe Mixing. Maybe I'm maybe I'm just taking the bait here. But now I think Jamir Gibbs is the type of guy who can be an RB1 PPR on a team where you have two really good wide receivers. I'm with you.

I've got Gibbs at RB10 and mixing at RB12. I got ETN at RB 11, rejigging the running back rankings. Gibbs is great in PPR because, Joe, I think the ceiling is a little cap because Montgomery is going to take the goal on work, kind of like Drake was learning to do into, but like Gibbs could lead all running backs and targets this year easily. Like he could get to 80, 90 targets and, you know, you can get that guy in the fifth round of Super Flex leagues. It's crazy. Yeah. So, Drake, you mentioned how the lions are light at running back and they are.

They only, how many teams carry two running backs, you know? in this day and age. But look at how light they are at receiver right now. Oh, my God. It's literally one guy. It's St. Brown. They're like, Jemir Gibbs is their second receiver right now.

He has. It'll be him or Sam Laporta by Target Chair. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. They're going to go into week one with, it'll be Amon Ra playing outside and in the slot. They'll have Josh Reynolds outside. We'll have Marv Jones kind of moving in and out.

But like, to me, this is all Amman Ra. and Gibbs week once through six, and then they'll get Williams back, and we'll see what he can do. But at this point, he's a total wild card here too. We don't even know if James and Williams can play like a full-time role at this point.

You know what I mean? Like he's a total wild card, but he could definitely lift the lid to this offense for sure. How about dirt cheap, bargain basement DFS throw right here? How about that Josh Reynolds play? He's going to be starting. He's like a ton of snaps. He's been a guy.

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Much better. I just made it up on the fly there. Go back and listen to our last show with Drew Davenport. And thousands upon thousands of you have looking at the numbers. I may have butchered that slightly. So speaking of another team that basically has no players, the New England Patriots, I was actually thinking about this yesterday, not to besmirch the good name of Bill Belichick, right?

Bill Belichick is, in my mind, the greatest football coach of all time. I don't buy in for a second that he's a good GM. I think he lucked into Tom Brady because, you guys, oh, well, they drafted Tom Brady. They got him in the sixth round. They could have drafted him five other times, and they decided not to, all right? And sometimes lucky things just happen in the NFL. He's never drafted any other good skill players. They've got one quarterback on the roster guys.

They got rid of Bailey Zappy, got rid of Malik Cunningham. Then in their backfield, we're hearing all this talk about, oh, Ramandre is going to be sharing touches with, you know, Kevin Harris is still there. They, you know, 86 Pierre Strong and Time Montgomery, he's going to steal passing downwork. It ain't happened. It's Ramondre.

It's Zeke. And, you know, they apparently only want one quarterback. they're a flag football team. What do you make of this? What's going on here, Graham, in New England? Well, I mean, they gave Zeke six mill. Ramandre is going to play, you know, 65% of the snaps. You know, again, they'll probably bring in a third, you know.

They've just drafted poorly at the position. I mean, Pierre Strong, I think, was a poor prospect. Same with Kevin Harris. They just not hit their depth guys. And the time on Montgomery couldn't stay healthy, you know. We'll see. They'll probably add a third guy. This team, guys, has been.

one. I've been like, you know, I love a remandre. I've got him at RB9. You know, I've been taking him. But like, outside of him, I have, I have largely been staying away. You know, Hunter Henry, like super late in best ball has been a guy. I've been taking a long season. Fonte Parker super late and best ball every now and again. Yeah, but you don't want these dudes on your actual fantasy teams. It's Ramondre or bust. Yep. And the one thing I did, the one thing I will take away from this. First and foremost, there was a report, Diana Rossini from the athletic came out today and said, well, what the Patriots plan on doing is bringing Zappi back to their practice squad. And you can do that practice squad elevation now where you can activate a guy on game day, even if he's on your practice squad. But the fact that they cut Bailey Zappy tells you what they think of Bailey Zappy. If you think this guy has potential to be a good backup quarterback in the league,

you're not cutting him. That just doesn't happen. So they'll tolerate him as their backup if he gets through waivers. But they want somebody else here. So this roster is unfinished. As a matter of fact, by the time people listen to this, waivers are going to process. So they might have a backup quarterback.

But what this told me was, and this is a really fringe fantasy take, or this is for the real sickos out there, if you have Mack Jones in a Superflex dynasty, this solidified his value a little bit for me. Just like, you know, I have him as my quarterback two on a Superflex dynasty team where Patrick Bahams is my quarterback one. And I'm like, you know, this all season, I wasn't feeling great about that.

And now I feel better about it. Like, Mac Jones is going to start every game for the Patriots if he's healthy this year. Yeah. I've got a big soft spot in my heart for Remandre Stevenson. I just remember some of the monster games that he had last year. For some reason, I think that casual home league guy is going to get real scared off of Zeke. And like you said, he's getting 6 mil, but remandre is like the only weapon they have there. Ozeek is stealing touchdowns.

It's going to happen. That doesn't mean I'm out on remandre though. Yeah. Yeah. And I think outside of like three or four running backs, literally three or four, we've got to just accept that with all 32 teams. Like there's going to be weeks where there's going to be a rotation and the guy behind him steals the touchdowns and Ramondra scores like 14 points, you know?

That's going to happen to most guys. We've got Remandre over at fantasy points.com at RB10, I believe. He's coming off the board around 30. you know, 34 or so. So, you know, end of the third round if you want to get your hands on Mr. Stevenson. Here's a player that I guarantee, if you're walking into someone's garage and you're drafting shirtless with a Natterday in your hand, people are going to say when you put the Jackson Smith and Jigba sticker on the board, he's hurt.

What are you doing? He's not going to play for a month. Well, he's out there practicing already. We don't really know exactly the specifics of that wrist injury guys. but if he's out there catching balls and running around, you got to assume JSN's playing week one, right? He's got a huge like cast thing on his hand, but I would assume so, yeah.

I mean, thanks Pete. Once again, Pete was like, hey, he might miss a month and he's back. I was joking in Discord. I was like literally joking saying, hey, Pete will probably say he's going to miss like a month. You'll be back in like eight days. I think he actually came back in eight days.

It's absurd. I was, I bumped up Lockett and Metcalfe like a little in my rankings. but yeah, JSN, if not week one by week two. I mean, it seems pretty good to me. Yeah, I'm in with them. I love it. I'm still in on Lockett, though.

I talked to Michael Sean Dugar for franchise focus about the Seahawks, and he was like, he had such a low projection for JSN that it was like shocking to me. Like I think he had him as sub 50 catches. I couldn't even get there. As a fantasy guy, I couldn't get there. But like, this is a guy who's around the team and knows the team. and probably holds a higher opinion of Tyler Lockett than like the Tyler Lockett is like

the perpetually disrespected fantasy guy in the fantasy industry and then he just catches 80 balls for a thousand yards every year but Michael Sean DeGar was like yeah I said what would they consider a good season from Jackson Smith and Jigba and he was like oh 40 catches 600 yards and four touchdowns and you know he's coming off a hand injury like it's possible he's more of a second half of the year kind of guy. He is 100% that guy. Joe, you and I talk about this every year. There's always rookie receivers that by week eight or week nine,

they were kind of like not really giving you much borderline zeros for the first half of the year at JSN is that guy this year. He really stands out to me that in that way. And same with Clinton Johnson. Both of those guys really do. There's going to be a guy in your fantasy league who ends up winning the league with, you know, David Montgomery, Tyler Lockett, and Aaron Rogers is his quarterback and it's all, you know, because he showed up to the draft in the fourth

round. And you're going to be like, what the hell happened here? He took all these guys that nobody wanted. But, you know, speaking of two guys nobody wants, hunting four netter is still on the street. If you're drafting this weekend, Joe, let me start with you. You're taking a late shot on one of those guys because you got to assume they're going to go somewhere, right? Yeah, I mean, like, if it comes down to drafting them are like Miles Gaskin, and yeah, I'll probably draft one of those two guys. Miles Gaskin signed with the Vikings, by the way, we should probably touch on that. But, I mean, there are guys, yeah, my fifth running back, sixth running back.

I'm not jazzed up to draft them, but I think you could probably do worse. You know, jazzed up to draft Lenny Fournette, baby. Oh, hey, we got, we got FFPC drafts coming up, Graham. Maybe we'll be taking a big Lenny in one of them leagues. Yeah, yeah. I actually, I've been taking Hunt. He's got the most buzz amongst all these guys that are left. Hunt probably signs with the Colts.

I think that's the most logical thing. But, yeah, Hunt over Fournett. But like Joe said, I wouldn't take them over guys like Ty Chandler, even Kyron Williams, guys that we know that are RB2s. If you want to slap a sticker on the board this weekend or, you know, leading up to the opener and then you realize, oh, crap, I don't have a sticker to slap on the board. Go oversee our buddies at fjfantasy.com.

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we talk kickers on any of these podcasts, but you're going to be drafting a kicker maybe in some of your leagues here. And I think a few of these kind of move the needle a little bit. So three trades went down. Will Lutz goes from the Saints to the Broncos. They're going to go with rookie Blake Grup, Groupie. I don't really care what it's names is. I think it's Blake Group. Group.

Yeah. So it's like Blake bubble guppies. That's what it looks like how I wrote it. Nick Folk is going to the Tennessee Titans. They're going to roll with Chad Rylund as the past. Hats kicker and Dustin Hopkins goes from the Chargers to the Browns. I was surprised by Will Lutz. He's a really good kicker.

He's got a big leg. And now that we need to break down kickers here on the show, but, you know, if you need a guy, you got to do it with a big leg, going to Denver. That offense could stall out a little bit. You know, Jerry Judy's banged up. I like Will Lutz in that thin air in Denver. Here's what I do when I draft kickers in leagues where I have to draft kickers. I don't look at the name of the player.

I look at the name of the team. And I look at, is this? a high scoring team. The one that was most interesting of this was actually Dustin Hopkins going to the Browns because I think the Browns are going to have the best offense of a team that traded for a kicker. But it also solidified Dicker the kicker, big kick dick, Cameron Dicker as the as the Chargers kicker. And that instantly becomes like a top eight to ten kicker because that team's going to score a lot of points this year. So that that's what that says to me. Like a lot of high stakes, uh,

uh, places use team kicker. That, and that's how I draft kickers. That's how I look at kickers. It's a team. Fans are so much more, and should be fans of teams are so much more invested in who the kicker is than I am.

Yeah. Joe, we want we want kickers on good offenses, but offenses that aren't too good. Like we need some stalling out. Yeah. Dicker the kickers is one of my guys. My favorite kid. Yeah.

Dicker the kicker is one of my guys. And I love Jason Myers again. Seahawks are perpetually. never super aggressive on fourth down. Like, yeah, they're going to be a good offense. Jake Elliott's one of the best kickers in the NFL, but the Eagles scored a ton of touchdowns, and they always go forward on fourth down.

So like, Jake Kelly was like 17th or something last year. Yeah. And like, now that guy can kick from 65, but like the Eagles only attempt field goals if they have to. So like that's, you know, that's what you got to look at. Another guy I love, we're giving a kicker advice here on the show. Jesus Christ. Riley Patterson, kid out of Memphis.

He's going to kick for the last. Lions this year if you need another guy super deep. And we're digging deep here. You know what else is digging deep? Arizona. Like there's nobody. This is a high school team. The tank is on for the Cardinals.

Kyle Murray's on the PUP. I tweeted out, Kyle Murray never plays another game for the Arizona Cardinals. This is Caleb Williams time. One year from now, we're going to be talking about him and, you know, the rookie drafts and how he's taken over in the Cardinals here. They're ruling with rookie Clayton Tune, who they got in the fifth round, and Joshua Dobbs, who just,

just rolled into town last week. So you've got a terrible offensive line, a defense with nobody on it, and you're rolling out total scrubs at quarterback. I don't really care about the quarterback as much, but what do you guys think now with James Connor, Hollywood Brown? I mean, do you want any part of these guys, Joe? Somebody's got to touch the football, and they're going to be playing from behind. If you want to know how freaking bad that Cardinals are, they're seven point underdogs

to the freaking commanders in week one. Commander's defense, book it. Yeah, and then some real DFS sickos are going to fade the commander's defense chalk and play a Dobbs Hollywood staff. Yeah, you got to get those in your 150s. You got to get those in your 150s. Hey, by the way, Josh Dobbs played pretty good last year, and Drew Hetzinger was on that staff in Tennessee,

and they pulled him off the waiver wire, and he played on two days. Josh Dobbs is starting week one. Like, that's happening. he can run around a little bit. I quite frankly, I feel better about the Cardinals' offense with him than I would have with Cole McCoy.

Well, that's the thing, Joe, is one of their best beats, a guy's name is Johnny Venerable from, I think he does the Cardinals podcast or whatever. He's been saying that McCoy has been dust, like absolute dust in practice. He's not throwing the ball. And like, obviously he got cut.

So, I mean, so it makes it. I see it the same way as you as like, This team's going to stink, but, like, Conner is the clear RB1. I mean, they're just not going to sign somebody. Like Marlon Mac, they signed Marlon Mack off the street. He popped his Achilles. They have Corey Clement floating around. I guess Keontte Ingram will be there too.

We'll see if they signed somebody. Like, Clement got cut. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, Clement wasn't going to make the team. Tyson Williams didn't make the team. Like, they could definitely sign a running back here in the next couple days. I actually view it the other way.

Like, if you're going into the season without a veteran, and you're just going to roll with Dobbs, Kyler's playing week five. Yeah. This team is going to be 0 and 4, Drake. They're going to be 0.4. They're going to get hammered week 4 by the Niners. And then you look ahead, they are underdogs in every single game by two or more points.

Like, they're going to be 0.4 and they could easily lose out with Kyler. And, you know, logically speaking, there's no incentive for Kyler to sit, right? Like, he just got the huge contract. And if Arizona's truly out on it. on him. He's going to want to prove himself, right? He's going to want to prove that he can play in the league and get a starting job somewhere else. Secondly, the Cardinals, the Cardinals are going to want to make sure that they can get trade value out of him. Kyler's trade value has never been lower. So you've got to play Kyler. You've got to make sure that like he can keep up his trade value and you can move on.

I don't see, Graham, I don't necessarily buy that part because it now if Kyler comes out and plays reasonably well, yes, that's going to increase his trade value. But look at what Carson Wentz was traded for in 2021 after a disaster season. Like the Eagles got a first round pick for him. So quarterbacks are always going to be able to talk themselves into Kyle Murray this offseason. Quite a few, I would say. Minnesota.

Yeah, depending on, you know, how Sam Hal plays, of course. But like, yeah, but like you can see there's going to be so many teams that are going to be able to talk themselves into Kyle Murray. Kyler Murray is a, I don't think I'm saying anything controversial, whether it's in Arizona or somewhere else. Murray is a starting quarterback in the NFL next year. I think that goes without saying. More trade news, by the way.

Again, I don't want this podcast to be expired on the shelf by the time it gets out there. I don't know if you guys have been following your timelines while we've been recording this podcast. Yeah, I saw it. Stephen Holder, who covers the Colts for ESPN, said the Packers were the mystery team in on Jonathan Taylor. and Barry Jackson, who is the most plugged in dolphins beatwriter. He covers the dolphin. I think he also covers the heat for the Miami Herald, said the Colts made wild requests from Miami,

including Waddle and More in Jonathan Taylor Trade Talks. Now, you always have to take these with a grain of salt, right? But if the Indianapolis Colts were indeed asking for Jalen Waddle in Jonathan Taylor Trade Talks, then the simplest explanation is that the Colts have completely bungled this situation. Yeah. And like, how can you sit here and say, we're not going to pay a running back? But we, but if you want us to trade them to you, then you're going to have to trade your wide receiver who's on a rookie contract.

Boggles the mind. Yeah. I mean, they've just, they've trapped JT. I mean, and killed their leverage. was saying. I mean, he could sit the whole year on PUP and his contract wouldn't toll and he'd be a free agent. So, so bizarre. As for the Packers, that, I mean, that really surprised me. But then you look at it, like Aaron Jones is probably not back next year. AJ Dylan is in, we'll be in the final year of his deal. He's in the final year. They would have traded Dylan in that package, right? Absolutely.

Yeah. Dylan would have been a part of it or honest, Aaron Jones could have been a part of it too. Well, why would they take on Aaron Jones? They don't want to, well, Jones took a pay cut. But like, he took a pay cut and it's really a one-year deal for him. Is this, is this the Colts not wanting to pay a running back? Or is this just trying to make an example out of Jonathan Taylor himself? That's the question. I kind of think, I kind of think Ursa just got backed into a corner and now he's kind of stuck. And he's just waited too long and they're stuck.

They could still trade him, by the way. You can trade a player on PEP. I mean, they could still move him. But if that's the price, I mean, he's not. getting moved. There's no one. I mean, next year makes $11 million in base salary as a dead cap of

12.3. So, I mean, that's, if you don't want to pay above the salary or the, the franchise tag for a running back, I mean, yeah, that'll get, all these deals get restructured, though, and it gets moved around. So, that's, you know, the other thing

that that really grinds my gears here about the whole running back talk. And I know tremendous, tremendous usage of that phrase, by the I love it. I, the thing, yeah, which of these big running back contracts have truly prevented a team from improving? Nick Chubb is on a completely reasonable contract and you can make the argument that the Browns have the single worst contract in the NFL and Deshawn Watson not named Russell Wilson. You know, you could say Zeke Elliott's deal was bad. Zeke, Zeke's was bad and like, but you know what?

They're like, oh, they had to trade Amari Cooper because of that. They still handled the Amari Cooper situation terribly because if the Cowboys waited another month, they would have gotten significantly more for Cooper than they got. Dallas completely screwed up the Cooper thing because they only got like, if I remember right, like two mid-rounders back. Like they got severely under-competitive. Almost as much for Jalen Raker as the Cowboys got for Amari Cooper, you know, like. To your Watson point and Chub point, the Browns have the most caps face in

Yeah, exactly. By over $10 million. Oh, and they're paying Miles Garrett. Like, what are we talking about here? Yeah, so, like, I mean, and, you know, the funniest part is, it's like, oh, which are the teams in the NFL who should be able to splurge on a running back contract for a big time running back? How about a team with a quarterback on a rookie contract?

Oh, the Indianapolis calls. Like, I don't know. It just seems like a completely, and I'm not saying Taylor's camp isn't to blame here. Like, there's certainly some blame to go around. but like it just feels like the Colts were just the absolute wrong team to handle this situation at this time. We're just rehashing arguments right here, but rich and old doesn't equal smart. We've seen that in politics. We see that in Twitter.

We see that in NFL team ownership. Let me get you. You're already fired up here, Joe. Let me keep it going. Albert O was traded to Philly, by the way, in what everyone on Twitter calls the greatest trade of all times. Well, Howie Roseman could do literally anything, and everybody would call it the greatest thing of all time. Two years ago, Herod wanted his head on a platter for his daughter. This, I mean, it's just a reasonable good trade for the Eagles.

You trade a sixth round pick for Alberto and a seventh. There's a couple of things here. Number one, Albert O can't block a lick. You might have seen a clip from Mark Schlereth that was going around. Twitter where he got blown off the end of the line of scrimmage into like the opposite B gap, not good. The Eagles are not going to have him blocked because Dallas Goddard can block and Jack Stoll can block.

So Alberto is going to be a big wide receiver for the Eagles who, as of recording, have just four wide receivers on their active roster. They'll have a fifth because they need a punt returner. And look, they're going to play some 12 personnel packages where Albert O is going to be a big slot receiver for them. and I think it's a completely reasonable and good trade for the Eagles to make. For fantasy, he needs a Dallas Goddard injury to become relevant or, or look at the receivers on that roster,

or like a DeMonte Smith or A.J. Brown injury to become relevant because he could essentially maybe be a big receiver. But there is absolutely going to be one spectacular catch at some point this year. We're like, oh, how he does it again and how he got him. And, you know, he's going to score four touchdowns and all of them are going to be sick of this touchdowns. But it was a, look, it was a good trade for the Eagles. He doesn't have great dynasty value because he's buried behind Dallas Goddard,

but this gives him some more dynasty value than he had in Denver, where he was clearly on the outs for over a year. I've got the punt returner. You mentioned the Eagles need a guy. Just got cut by his team. Jalen Rager. I have to admit that the thought crossed my mind, but the only way the Eagles could remove any goodwill

that they've built up in Philadelphia, which, I mean, right now the Eagles and the Phillies have Philadelphia on like the absolute highest of highs would be to bring back Jalen Riker, who is just, who's just a bad vibes guy. You know, he's like, he's like Eeyore, you know, like just like, oh, God, he's the guy. A team name for somebody this weekend, fantasy Eeyore, like, everyone on my team got hurt, not going to win the title, spilled my beer. like that's fantasy e or somebody send me a screenshot with fantasy eor on i'd love to see it uh you know we like

to be propped up here on the two points stance and that's why we bring smart guys like graham barfield and graham you're diving into the usage of preseason there's some valuable nuggets to be gleaned here and i know you got a couple of backfields that you really want to hit on let's start with the steelers where you've got two pretty good running backs and boy is jalen warren getting steamed up in some of these drafts people are saying he's going to take over the back I don't think that's going to happen, but what have you found? Sam, I don't think he's going to take over the back field either. This will be some sort of split, kind of like what it was last year.

So if you look at the numbers at the end of last season, Jaylenmore had an injury, but if you look at the last like five or six games, when he and Najee were both healthy, it was like a 65, 35 split. Some games it was like closer to 60, 40. But this preseason, Kenny Pickett's played four drives, and he's played spectacularly. I mean, everybody's watched the game. Kenny Pickett's been great. 28 snaps on four drives.

the snaps have been split 16 to 12 in Najee's favor. Their third game, Najee finally kind of got more involved. But I guess my point in all this is like, you know, it was a 65, 35, 35 split-ish last year. Jalen Warren's done nothing, but, you know, earn more snaps. I believe Matt Canada when he says Najee is their starter. But to me, this is a 60-40 committee,

and I've been kind of out on Najee. I think he should be going closer to like the fifth round of like Ken Walker and like Miles Sanders. I think he projects closer to those guys as opposed to like Joe Mixin and the Travis Ethians and Ramondra Stevenson's. The Texans have a surprisingly good offensive line. I think the casual players out there aren't going to realize the upgrades that the Texans have made. Damien Pierce is a guy you can get probably later than you should. I know you're pretty high on him this year.

Yeah, I am. I was high on Pierce last year, high on them this year. I loved him in yards created. And this year, it seems like he's going to be a bell cow. Last year, Pierce was just 14th in snaps among all running backs. At 63%, he ranked 35th in routes run per game. But this preseason, I mean, he's been the guy, like the guy with two, over the last two games with C.J. Strouds played 26 snaps. Pierce is only on the field for 23 of them.

And again, I don't think Pierce is going to be like a 90% snapshot player. That's just not going to happen during the season. nobody is like only christian a kaffrey can really do that but a big boost from like 63% to like 70% for pierce is very viable and you know the mix in the fact the texans have a pretty good offensive line their offense is going to be better with cj strah they're going to be a better game game script and damien pierce is awesome uh yeah i i've been in on pierce i almost moved him over naji in my rankings i think i will uh i'll probably just make that final call this afternoon uh you know

Naji's workload to me has just looked worse and worse. Pierce's looked better and better. And I think, frankly, Pierce is a better running back. Tank Bigsby is a guy who has, you know, he's coming off the board, fantasy pros consensus ADP RB 46 right now. But boy, the vibes in the preseason are just so good. You noted in your article about his fumble, but it was a goal on carry. I don't think that's going to matter too much.

There's a lot to like about Jacksonville this year. but there's going to be questions all season long. We're going to be battling ETN. Can he catch the ball? Can he get the goal line? Is Biggsby going to get a better role? What do you think? Well, we're dealing with tiny sample sizes with all of this.

You know, again, Lawrence played just 38 snaps this preseason. But ETN out snapped Bigsby 26 to 10 would be a little bit of a roll bump for ETN. And I think that's kind of what we can project, right? Like ETN was a rookie last year basically coming off a foot injury. tank was great this preseason like definitely don't hold that fumble against him it's a great sign that he was out there and playing as the clear rb2 behind et n but you know that's what he is right now he's the clear handcuff here Doug peterson said this offseason guys that he wants to try to get et n to like 1600 to 1700 rushing yards and that doesn't sound like a coach who's about to put etn in a time share like i think it's pretty clear that etienne's like at worst the 1a and then mixing the fact the jags should take a big step forward this year ETIN is a player I've been drafting. I think he's a really, really solid fourth round pick, really solid.

How about in Buffalo where I think everyone's favorite sleeper this year is James Cook? They're going to walk into the draft like, Ms. Sina Pills got this guy, James Cook. He's De Alvin's brother. I'm going to get him in like the eighth round. No one knows about this guy. Everyone knows about James Cook at this point. He's playing with the starters.

It just has this feel, though, of like, God, he's going to get vultures to the goal line by Allen or Harris or Murray, how deep are you concerned about this bill's back beyond James Cook? So yeah, James, James Cook, the whole offseason, the big concern was like, okay, he could be the 1A with zero touchdown upside. Like, what is that worth in fantasy, right? And that's kind of like what Devin Singletary has been the last two or three years. Singletary for fantasy has been okay.

Like you could start him in your flex, like RB27 last year. But we saw it. I mean, Harris, right when they got in the red zone, their last game, Harris was the guy in there. He's coming back off the knee injury. I will say just like overall, the usage was very positive for James Cook. He was on the field for 23 of 29 snaps with Josh Allen. And if he's going to be like the in between the 20s guy with limited touchdown upside,

like that still plays in fantasy. But we've just kind of like got to recalibrate that his upside is probably a little bit capped unless Harris or Latavius Murray, who somehow still looks amazing at 33 years old. Let's have this is found like the fountain of youth or something up there in Buffalo. But yeah, it'll be, it'll be Cook is the clear guy in between the 20s. And then I'm really concerned, Joe, that Cook probably doesn't have a ton of touchdown upside. What do you think right now? Yeah, I mean, I was watching some clips of him.

First and foremost, he's a very explosive runner. But he is still not somebody who's going to go in between the tackles. He was bouncing some runs. I do think that's the problem. And look, I'm not trying to say, Damon. and Harris has extreme touchdown upside because though I think they want to take some of that off of Josh Allen's plate. It's why the Eagles aren't going to stop running the Jalen Hurt sneak because it freaking works. Josh Allen works as of the goal line back. So you score touchdowns and that's the first

part of the situation. And then if you're like, all right, we need to figure out how to score touchdowns with somebody else, then you figure that out later. But Josh Allen remains their goal line back and I think will remain their goal line back. Maybe they pull back on that a little bit with Damien Harris. who is a proven touchdown score, but I agree with you, not a lot of touchdown upside for James Cook unless he's scoring from outside the 10-yard line. What if I told you guys

that there is a starting running back in the NFL that you can get at RB 32? There's 32 teams in the league. So there are, you know, every other running back in the league is going before this guy. Graham, it's Khalil Herbert. Khalil Herbert, who, okay, he's been hurt a time or two. boy, when he gets the ball in his hands, he's electric and nobody wants to draft him.

What's going on? Dude, he is electric. He's awesome. I mean, last year, according to Fantasy Went's Day, they ranked third in yards after contact. Only Rashad Penny and Tony Pollard were better. I think he was like sixth or seventh and mistackles forced. He was really freaking good last year. I mean, he didn't force like a true like 50-50 timeshare with David Montgomery.

He had a slightly different role. But like the small sample was there. Like Herbert was great in college too. in this preseason he's been Dustin Fields guy. Fields has played 20 snaps. Herbert's been on the field for 14 of them. And what we saw Drake in the last game, Roshan Johnson was actually on the field as their RB2.

He came in on the field on two third downs, and there are two obvious clear passing situations. So to me, Foreman's like the insurance on Herbert. He's the like handcuffed to that role. And then Roshan will be like kind of the spell, change of pace, passing down. guy. But Herbert has screamed up my rankings. I've bumped in ahead of Isaiah Pacheco. You know, those guys are kind of the same player in a sense. Like, they're the early down

guys on their offense. But I think Herbert probably has a more valuable role because the guys behind him are not as good as, you know, Derek McKinnon and C.E.H. behind Pacheco. So yeah, I bumped up Herbert a lot. Talent's there. Roll is going to be there. All the bills are, excuse me, the Bears beats have been saying, like, yeah, he's the clear one, one, A. Like, he's their lead until he loses it. And I don't think he's going to lose the job this year. And that is a just big meat sandwich of fantasy just slapped all together. Guys, before we get out of here,

do you have any big drafts this weekend? Anything you're looking forward to? Maybe a home league with your pals or anything. Joe, let's start with you. Anything fun for this final draft weekend? I've got, I actually love, see, here's the thing is like the whole Twitter thing is, is I don't care about your fantasy team.

I'm here to care about your fantasy team. And I've got a long, I was asking Tom and Graham with their draft schedules look like. So here's the deal. Today, tonight, I'm going to watch the justified finale with my with my wife. So I don't have any, I don't have any address tonight. She, she goes to bed before justified's on at 10 p.m. So we have to push that to the next day. Number two, tomorrow. Me, Graham, and Tom are running back three bros. We have a, we have an FFPC draft tomorrow night. On, on Sunday, I have two drafts. I have my hometown league and then my my longest running league with my college newspaper buddies.

On Monday, Graham and I, Grammy, me Graham and Tom have a second three rows FFPC draft. And then on Tuesday, I have a draft with my sister and my brother-in-law. So I have, I am loaded up here. I am beamed up. I'm going to have to get caught. I'm going to have to get coffee in my veins and get energetic. We're going to, me, Graham and Tom, we're excited for those FFPC drafts.

Like, I can't wait. Oh, by the way, go to, uh, stream those. use code points at FFC and you're going to get $25 off the first entry. Yeah, some big money in those FFPC tournaments. We always try to do a couple big tournaments, try to take down a big prize. We finished what was it, Joe, like top 10 in the prime time in FFC 2021.

Yeah, we just put like 12 grand all three. Yeah, despite the fact that we didn't, we literally didn't have a quarterback in the playoffs. I know, we had Lamar, Dibeau, Lamar got freaking hurt. And then gasitis or whatever was. Who then got COVID or, and we didn't have a quarterback. quarterback in the playoffs that killed us. Yeah, I have my longest, my longest running draft, my home league runs tonight.

I have been in this league, guys, since I was in sixth grade. I've been drafting this league for like 15 years. It's crazy. So I'm pumped for that tonight. Yeah, a lot of high stakes leagues. This is the week, man. This is my favorite week of the year for Fantasy. It is.

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The 10 year anniversary of my one and only win in that league, as we call it the only league that matters. God damn, I got to get another. I got to get that belt back, guys. That's a tough one when all your buddies is like, don't you do fantasy podcast? How come you to win this league more often? Shut up.

That's what I say to you guys. I'm sure you get that a lot from your buddy. right. Oh my God. It's the worst. I haven't won my longest running league since 2008, which was the year before I entered the fantasy industry full time. Wow. Now this year, it's a 14-team league.

I have two keepers. The keepers are my first and second round pick. It's Jamar Chase and Tyree Kill. I had to keep my first but those draft boards, those 14-team keeper draft boards are always wild when you look back at it. Like there's going to be guys going and you look back last year like Skymore was a fifth round draft pick in that league.

Like it's wild. It's going to be a really tough draft for me to navigate on Sunday night. There's no doubt about that. And if you need a draft cheat sheet fantasy points.com. We got cheat sheets for full PPR, half PPR, standard, two quarterback auction. You name it. It's over there. You can make custom cheat.

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