Fantasy Football Daily - More Lamar Jackson Trade Discussions | Take Talk Podcast

Episode Date: April 1, 2023

The Lamar Jackson standoff is the biggest story in the NFL, so Steve O'Rourke (@callmesteveo7) and Brett Whitefield (@BGWhitefield) extend the discussion into the latest episode of Take Talk. The guys break down some of the best scheme fits for Lamar and why it's not as easy to find a spot for him as you might think. Interested in playing Best Ball in 2023? There's no better place than Underdog Fantasy. Use our code FANTASYPTS to sign up for a new account at Underdog, and not only will you get a 100% deposit match up to $100... but you'll get a Fantasy Points Standard subscription for only $5! https://www.fantasypoints.com/underdog --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoints.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Hello everyone and welcome in to the Take Talk podcast. My name is Stephen O'Rourke and as always I'm with my co-host, Brett Whitefield. And Brett, the draft guide, is out and running. How does it feel to have that like on paper out in public? Like what's that feel like after hours upon hours upon hours of work to like finally see the culmination of it all?

Yeah, I mean it feels good, but the reality is we're only halfway there. You know, so two big things of note. Version 2.0 is going to come out sometime next week is the hope. And that's going to include the defensive side of the ball. So you're going to get basically double the amount of prospects. And then between now and the draft, we'll still be adding guys here and there. You know, probably throw some more offensive linemen in there. We'll get to a couple more receivers, a couple of running backs.

I don't really want to watch any more quarterbacks because the rest of them completely stink. Yeah. But yeah, so that's, I guess, it does feel good to get it out. But we're only halfway there. And there's still a lot of work to be done, Steve. But here's another cool things. I don't know if the people know this, but I don't have a date yet, but it could be as early as tomorrow. We will have an app in the iOS app store.

Whoa. The prospect guy. And it's really, I've seen it, played with it. It's real sleek and sexy and very easy to use. And yeah, it'd be like the hotspot for reading the player evolves because it's really easy to use and very functional. So that's coming soon, which is pretty cool. Yeah, that's awesome. I was told potentially 4-1, which is what Saturday?

Yeah, today's 30. Yeah, that's a Saturday. Saturday. But, you know, things in the tech world always kind of lag later than they're supposed to. So it could be 4-2 or 4-3 or 4-4. But whatever, whatever the date is, it's going to be pretty rad. And I'm excited to have that up and running for the draft, especially because I've got, like, a bunch of different shows I have to do. Right.

You're in draft. So like being always kind of like on my phone quickly gather, you know, remember my own thoughts about a player. I think that would be good. Yeah, that's actually, now they say that, that's nice to have like the whole catalog of your opinions.

Yeah. Able to call back on without like, oh, crap. All right. Am I completely stepping on my own toes here? Like, no, you can just go back and look.

Like, all right, that is what I said. Here we go. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know,

I would say for the top 15 to 20 at each position, you remember. guys obviously you yeah of course but when you're getting into like running back 26 like who's a guy watched the other day that scott barrett forced me to watch and i wanted to vomit afterwards um was the little the little running back from eastern carolina mitchell oh yeah i've um i don't know much about him but yeah but like you know i'm not going to remember much about what i wrote because i you know, was admittedly trying to get through that evaluation fast. Because he's like RB 30 and.

Unl likely to have a significant role in the NFL at his 170 pounds size. As a primary back, yeah, I don't really see there. Even a secondary, like a rotational guy that has a third down roll. There's not even guys that small doing that, really. Right. He did run really, really fast at the combine, though. So he's intriguing to a lot of people. So reminds me.

That makes me think of Dree Archer. Yeah, there you go. Kick return only kind of guy. Right. Like, all right, if we just use his speed in the right way, he's going to go. And nobody ever uses speed the right way because he weighed 160 pounds and was like 5.7. Yeah. And this is funny.

And we're on a side tangent already, which is fine. But people ask him all the time, well, why does it matter that a running back is only 170, 180 pounds when you see receivers that small all the time? And I've explained this. few times, Steve, but I feel like it needs to be reiterated. Because a running back at 175, 175 pounds is getting hit by 300 pound defensive linemen on the reg. Right. Receivers getting hit by cornerbacks that aren't that much bigger than them. Sometimes the same size.

There's cornerbacks that are 175, 180 pounds. So it's a big, big difference, big time difference. Yeah, there's a difference between 170 taking the full weight of a 240 pound, 4, 5 linebacker in the hole. and a receiver, you know, at worst, you know, maybe getting popped across the middle by a linebacker, but how often does that, that barely happens nowadays, really? Yeah, for sure. So I get something else we can talk about, actually, real quick, before we dive into very football-heavy discussion. Yes.

Steve, this is Take Talk episode 49. Whoa. Which means episode 50 is coming very soon. Arguably next week, we might say. Yeah. Are you? Yes. And the thing about episode 50 is Steve, you and I had never really done this before. And now we have millions and millions and millions of listeners. So we need to reward the listener base with the prize giveaway. And so I haven't confirmed this yet with the boss, but I am talking to him about it very soon. But I think we're going to do a premium subscription giveaway for episode 50. Oh, I like that. So I'm going to get this started now. We'll post like official details probably Monday morning to kind of give you the whole, give the fans the whole week to prepare.

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But, yeah, appreciate everyone that listens to the show. And we are going to hit episode 50. and it's just the beginning for TikTok. I do know that. So, all right. Steve, we should probably talk about the NFL. Yep. I think we should.

And I feel like we've worked later to it than most, but I feel like we have to talk about Lamar Jackson. Yes. We did do a Lamar Jackson episode, but we spent most of that time talking about reasons not to trade for him. Right. Or why teams might be shy. we didn't do a good job of painting the picture of why a team would trade for Lamar or teams maybe best fits, Steve.

I think maybe that's a great way to take this. What are Lamar's best fits? I feel like there's some teams that clearly are not good fits that have been looped, linked to him for some reason. Like the Lions, for example. Yeah. You're not in a situation to do this. Of all the teams being rumored to be interested or whatever, they make the least amount of sense, actually. but there are teams that 100% should be picking up the phone and calling the Baltimore Ravens about Lamar Jackson.

And it's crazy that there's been zero movement. I get the concerns. We've already did a whole show about the concerns. I get the concerns. But for some teams, those concerns should mean little to nothing. Right. One team that's interesting to me, and I want to table them for the very end because we want to loop in the Aaron Rogers discussion with this. But I want the jets to go full heel and just say, screw.

you Aaron Rogers, we're going with Lamar Jackson. That would be great. But what's table that for the very end? Yeah, because that, yeah, that's an interesting. That's a conversation that I definitely want to dive into too, because, yeah, we'll save it. So why don't you throw a team that you think is a good fit for Lamar? I mean, the first one that comes to my mind every time is Atlanta.

Like, that is the, I mean, and I think everybody said it kind of adenosium at this point, but it bears repeating that, like, Atlanta's system that they ran last year is, is picture perfect for Lamar. Having a quarterback that is like constantly on the move, constantly in motion, their, Lamar throws a great deep ball and they were, you know, Marriota's A dot was up there. And I didn't.

I just think that like it'd be such a seamless transition to go from Mariotta, who is Lamar Jackson, light, light, light, light, light. and dropping in Lamar Jackson with the weapons that they have in a team that is, you know, in theory on the rise and, you know, trying to take those next steps in a division that is absolutely there for the taking, like this would set them up to take over the division for, you know, potentially three, four years with Lamar. Like, there's no, like, everybody in that is either really bad

or kind of in a weird transition period. and like what a better time to seize the division than right now by going to get Lamar. You're not necessarily mortgaging your entire future. Lamar is still super young. You'd be giving up two firsts for him. I just think like that in and of itself. It just makes it makes too much sense. And I can't believe that Atlanta is like pulling themselves out so quickly.

Yeah, they make a ton of sense. I mean, for some of the reasons you mentioned was, the division and yeah i agree you go get lamar jackson you're competitive right away right i do think top to bottom the saints probably have a better roster for now but like every year it seems they get stripped of some talent because of their cap situation so you know i don't know how far derrick car is going to take them i it just makes a ton of saying Carolina's obviously going with a rookie they trade up for one we're also like they're probably in a a transitional phase of at least a year or two like this really gives you a jump start and taking control that division they've got

when you when you look at their roster steve like they've got pretty good weapons i mean they have two top 10 picks at pass catcher and and Kyle pits and drake london they just acquired john smith yeah they need to add more to that room i think mac hollins is a serviceable wide receiver three yeah or or deep role type like ideally he's a he's your wide receiver four and he's a deep threat only kind of guy but they added scotty miller also would deep threat kind of guy. But both those guys bring speed to the table, though. Yeah.

And that's well with Lamar's skill set. Yeah. And like Marriota, he was first with qualifying quarterbacks for average depth of the target. He was up there for not first, but he had a 9.8 average depth of the target for last year. Lamar wasn't too far behind at about 8.2. And Lamar had, you know, 0.52 fantasy points per quarterback. for like per opportunity. The guy makes plays and to drop him into a,

to drop him onto a team into a room where, I mean, Pitts and London are arguably the two best, you know, receivers that he's, that he would have ever played with. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, at least from like a physically talented standpoint, no doubt. Right. Then you look on defensive side of the ball, Stephen, things are starting to look decent. You know,

they're not where they need to be but man it's been bad for Atlanta the last few years and yeah look at the the hog molly's in the middle they added david on you meta they added eddie gulman they're obviously they have grady jarrott who's a phenomenal player the added colis campbell like they're sick in the middle there campbell can play inside or out they definitely need a pass rusher um and they probably need yeah i mean i think a true out edge pass rusher is probably the missing link there right now i don't think they're also in the secondary, but they're good enough. They added Jesse Bates from Cincinnati.

They got Casey Hayward and AJ Terrell. Nancy Grant is a decent player. D. Alford is okay. I don't know, man. I think the roster might be a little bit better than people realize. Again, not good by any means, but a little bit better. They're offensive lines in the okay spot too, actually.

They retained Caleb McGarry. They have Jake Matthews. So the good tackle situation, Chris Lindstrom's a very good player. Matt Hennessey's decent. I mean, Steve, am I crazy or like, are the Falcons actually not in a terrible spot here? That's what I like, that's why I think that like it makes, I can't wrap my head around why they're bailing on Lamar so quickly. Yeah, and the interesting thing too is like, so Arthur Smith's going into year three, they've underperformed a lot. even though it was kind of a rebuilt situation,

I don't know why he going into year three would think rolling with Desmond Ritter and Taylor Heineke was the way to go for like job security purposes. Right. He can sign off ownership on that? Like that's crazy. And it's not like they're in a position in the draft to really go after one of the top names. I mean, they're not too far off.

I think they have a shot at Will Levis at eight. yeah which wherever there in my opinion like if you think about it going to you'd be basically giving up eight and then probably next years like that's worth it to go to upgrade from potentially levis or they're probably even if they don't go a quarterback but like if they were to go levis the upgrade to lamar is you know is huge yeah and but yeah i agree that like the Falcons have a good, have a decent team on paper. And what better way to like aid a defense and, you know, help improve a defense than by giving them a good offense to play alongside? And Lamar brings that.

Lamar brings like the ultimate ability to play their ball control offense that they want to play. And, you know, if they want to keep running the ball, you know, over 50% of the time, they can. And Lamar fits into that and at least adds another weapon to that. and at least that then makes the defensive secondary they're playing consider the pass because with Marriota you consider it but you're not really you're not scared of him the other thing we haven't really mentioned Steve is like Arthur Smith whether it was at Tennessee or in Atlanta he loves to design his offense around the run game and then eventually the play action pass and Atlanta as bad as they were last year that didn't stop

them from smashing people in the face with the run game no You had Lamar to the mix, it's only going to get better from there. I mean, ooh, I do think that's a good fit. Let's pivot. Let's talk. I got an interesting one I want to throw at you. And that's the Miami Dolphins. Oh, there's a one out of left field.

Yeah, I don't know why no one's talking about this. Tua, I mean, gosh, with what we saw from Tua last year, obviously on the field he was fine when healthy, but he's taking such a beating. Yeah. I just don't know how you're not worried about that long term and why you wouldn't pick up the phone. I mean, the issue might be that they don't have a first round pick this year. Maybe that disqualifies them.

I'm pretty sure Baltimore could take any two first round picks they want, though, if I understand the rules correctly. So if Baltimore was okay with not getting a first this year, I don't see why Miami wouldn't be in the mix. He would instantly upgrade that team. I mean, think about the weapons I have in Hill and Waddle. It's like perfect for what Lamar needs. Yeah, and think about what they've done to their defense.

Their defense has been upgraded a decent amount. And yeah, I mean, if you insert Lamar, where like where would you if let's say Miami got Lamar where would you put them in the hierarchy of the AFC would they be the number two team behind the chiefs like on paper I mean you still have to keep Buffalo in the conversation I don't know that I'd leapfrog a Buffalo quite yet but let me look here because they're I think probably fourth. Yeah, the more I look at their defense.

I love their defense. And their offense with Lamar would just be a souped up, like a souped up race car. Yeah. Like what we've been asking for for years is put a mobile quarterback into Kyle Shanhan's system. Kyle Shanhan tried to do with Tray Lance. We got it for about a game and a half. But McDaniel seems like a guy who would go a little bit. even more outside the box if he got someone like Lamar into that

into that quarterback room. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we've talked, gosh, I don't know how many times we talked about this with Lamar, but the way to get the most out of him in the past game is to give him quick Twitch separators. You know, he's got two just absolute units in Hill and Waddle in that regard, just guys that separate at will. And they create for themselves, too, create after the catch. So two things that would really go a long way.

When Bateman was healthy at the beginning of the year, Lamar started off at an unreal pace. Yeah. And, you know, having a guy like Bateman, like you said, a guy that can separate, you know, a little bit better, it showed dividends right away last year. And then when you saw it, Lamar, they lost Bateman, who really was their, you know, their only consistent separator. and his numbers started to level out and he started to become a little bit more, you know, pedestrian, for lack of a better term, is, you know, it was a little bit more run of the mill. Baltimore didn't look as good. And he just, you know, and it continues to be a by proxy of like, or a byproduct of the fact that Baltimore just doesn't have the weapons around Lamar that we really, that you really need for him to succeed. Yep.

like don't get me wrong he can still put up numbers he can still play really well but he has his limitations and he still needs dudes he's not he's not at mahomes level where you know you can throw out whoever you want whenever you want and mohams will still find it exactly no one is and so you know putting him on like putting him on a team where gosh imagine him throwing deep balls a Tyreek Hill. Like, imagine a guy that can't, like, physically can't underthrow those guys. Like, he can air it out probably 15 plus yards more than 2a if I had to, if I had a guess. Yeah, and then just all those guys, like all the, look at the receiver depth chart.

It's all guys that can create after the catch. I mean, Eric Azuncama, Cedric Wilson Jr. Even Braylin Sanders way down there in the depth chart. They brought in Braxton Barrios from New York, who's, That's a snobes signing too because he's a guy you can win in the short parts of the field with separation and give, you know, Lamara a litany of easy throws. It just makes too much sense to me for them. I don't know. Yeah, I agree.

Another team that I think bears mentioning and a lot of people have talked about, but it makes it makes too much sense is the Washington commanders. What a better way to enter into the. this new era of Washington football with Schneider potentially, you know, on his way out and bring in Lamar to bring in this new era of Washington commanders football. Yeah, I mean, yes, the fact that they're like adamantly against it just cracks me up. it does because that's another team that like look at looking at their weapons i mean McLaren dotson uh Gibson Robinson like they have a they're another team that has good weapons that Lamar could step in and immediately elevate that team it's another team that has been just kind of like operating in quarterback purgatory and you know it seems like

they're never going to find their way out because they're another one that it's like, all right, they're rolling with Sam Howell potentially. Sam Howell or Jacoby Brissette. Yeah, and just it, which to me just says like, all right, we're strapping ourselves in

for another three years of are we, you know, will they won't day with making the playoffs? Like, and then it'll go nine and eight, 10 and seven, nine, one eight and nine one year. Boom,

there's three years in a row where they almost made the playoffs. but now they're wasting a lot of the youth and talent that they have on both sides of the ball. Right. And Lamar, I think, immediately makes them, it's a tough division now, but I think it immediately puts them at like 11, 12 wins pretty consistently with the talent that that roster has and what he would bring to that team. Yeah, Lamar on that team would be so fun with the weapons. You already mentioned.

Curtis Samuel on there, too. Yeah. Diammy Brown, even having, like, he started to come alive a little bit next year, like, or last year, I think Lamar Jackson immediately makes him more of a factor. Yeah. Because one of his big calling cards is, you know, his ability to play the deep ball. And I think how he has an okay arm and Bressett, we know his limitations, but Lamar Jackson would immediately unlock that part of the offense even more.

more. Yeah. The difficult thing for Washington is like they're in a division with Dallas, New York, and Philadelphia. So as good as Lamar makes them, it's like all three of those teams are potential playoff teams next year. Right, right. Which, you know, it'd make for an absolute just, yeah, prize fight every time the NFC East plays, which would be a fun contrast from what we had gotten for a few years.

the few, they're the last decade. There was a point in the season this year where all four of those teams were technically in the playoffs. Right. So it's actually not that far fetched that they could all make the playoffs if you put Lamar into the situation. Right. Giants will probably fall off a little bit,

but that's for a different podcast. Yeah, we can get into that another time. But I, yeah, I like Washington. Another team that I think makes sense stylistically, but I wouldn't wish it upon Lamar Jackson to go there would be Tennessee. That's another team that if he went there, I think it would make sense. But also I wouldn't want to do that to him because Tennessee probably maybe has the worst receiving room in the NFL right now. They do and we failed to mention this last week.

Yeah, we did. And so, like, I thought about Tennessee and I was like, oh, I actually like them for Lamar, but oh, I actually hate them because remembering from our conversation after the pod, we completely forgot to bring up Tennessee because Tennessee is one of those teams that when they don't, when they're not relevant, you kind of just, I blame the AFC South. It's kind of just like that weird hodgepodge of there's one good team and then you forget about the rest sometimes. Yeah, I think Tennessee's probably going to go young. Yeah, I don't. By the way, but I think they're going to go young and cheap. Yeah, not to say that I think they will,

but I think that they'd be a good stylistic fit. And I think he could, you know, still have remnants of like the Arthur Smith offense and whatnot. So I think that like that line could be drawn for how Lamar fits in, fits in in Tennessee, but again, I wouldn't do that to him because he shouldn't be, he shouldn't have to go from a situation where he has been stuck in wide receiver weapon purgatory and then goes to a place where somehow it's hell. True.

True. I'm trying to see. So, yeah, Tennessee, man. It's a dire situation. Steve, these guys, like, What are we doing here? I mean, Burks,

okay, you spent a first round pick on him. You expect him to take a developmental step. But Nick Westbrook, Akine, he's just not a guy.

Kyle Phillips, I actually loved Kyle Phillips tape coming out of school. He's a fifth-round pick. Like, how much are you really relying on? He looked okay at the beginning of the year.

He had like a couple pop plays and then he got hurt. But he showed a little bit of juice at the beginning of the year. I think Chig Aquanko is an up-and-com receiving tight end who's a he's a bad man but yes their receiver room dude is so

bad they don't even have like a veteran they don't like racy macmath reggie robin it's Mason Kinsey like who are these guys it's dire it's it's legitimately dire and they did nothing in Freedancy to fix that either which tells me no they were in some cat situations

but which that tells me that maybe they realize they're not in it for this year and they're going to maybe sit back and go young. I would not be surprised Steve if you see Tennessee take a quarterback with the first round pick or even

trade up to take a quarterback. Right. So I think that's going to be their goal. And I agree. I don't want Lamar to go there. I'd rather see Lamar have a chance to succeed. Yeah, I think that Vrabel's built up not enough goodwill

to where he can you know he could take a year where they need to you know try and rework some things can I guess what you're doing right now yep I bet you can Steve is texting his wife to say hey can you please turn on the music yeah

I heard that one and I'm like that is that is the loudest thing ever there he goes she just got the message we're going to get hit with a copyright strike. Yeah, yeah, great. We're gonna get, we're gonna lose this whole pod now. Yeah. Uh, that's funny. Have you seen the memes? There's there's like plenty of memes and like Instagram reels of of guys recording podcasts with their friends and then their wives always finding some creative way to interrupt it.

No, I haven't. Correct. And it's always like quote unquote unintentional, but like it's, it's obvious that, you know, they're getting trolled by their wife. It's right. Right. Right. But that, so that just happened, but that's okay. Yep. I have kids frequently run in my office while we're recording. Thankfully, in my new setup, I have a very easy mute button. I just tap it. I know.

I had it ready to go. The problem is I also wanted to talk. So it was a real sticky situation there. Yes. All right. What about before we get to the Jets, because I do want to close it out with the Jets. Yeah. Teams.

I feel like I had a list yesterday. I was going off in the fantasy points discord yesterday. Yeah, you were. I'll try to like, who is the- Brett, Brett is noted against Lamar Jackson. So. Yeah, noted Lamar Jackson Hater here.

I wouldn't say a hater. You're just not, you are unlike other people and that you're not 100% on board of, for like some teams to just go like all in to get them. Yeah. Yeah, and there's this weird expectation on Twitter that Like everyone it's like unless you have Mahomes or Josh Allen like people act like you're obligated to trade for Lamar Jackson which is fun I just I don't see it that way at all.

What about actually fill some space? I'm going to look at the message. I had a bunch of teams in that message yesterday. Yeah, I'm just like I've thought about it. The only other team in my opinion that even I think makes any time. type of sense is potentially the Patriots and trade Mac Jones and do something a little what I got the team but we can talk Patriots first but do something a little different but like I don't I mean I don't see that as an actual possibility but again a team that I don't

they don't know if they're sold on their quarterback situation that's the one working there is that like yeah it doesn't seem like they like Mack Jones. I'm probably a bigger believer in Mac at this point than Bill is. Probably. I want to see him with an actual offensive coordinator. That too. That would be very nice.

I'd also like to see them, you know, give him a receiver that isn't supposed to fit a specific role. Maybe see if someone can do multiple things, get an athlete in there. Yes. But that, like, I, for a team that I don't think is sold on their quarterback, rec situation. I think that Lamar could play okay there, but again, I don't see that as an actual possibility of that happening. Yeah, same. I don't see them doing that, but that would be, that'd be an interesting. It'd be a relatively high pick, too, 14th overall going to Baltimore so they could get into the QB discussion if they wanted to draft one as well, you know.

I mean, getting rid of first round picks is arguably better for the Patriots, that it is actually, picking a team that just has continually seemed to let down their fan base with the first round picks why not just like hey we got we're going to give up two of them we know this guy where we know this guy works out well this Lamar jackson guy's pretty good like we'll just focus on our late round picks which is where they tend to excel a little bit more at least in recent history we need to start setting lines internally as a company for what random ass receiver of the patriots take at number 14 because it won't be it won't be it won't be one of the top five or six.

Like what do we think of one? Cedric Tillman, pick 14. I can see that. Yeah, it's going to be something wild. We're just like, what in the world? Or Bejohn, they'll take Bejanne Robinson at 14 when they've got Ramandre Stevenson sitting on their roster. Watch, I'm not kidding.

This is going to happen. Listen, I'm a longer Patriots fan than I am Lions fan here. Yes, this is true. I've been in misery the last few years watching Bill Belichick. Oh, you poor thing. How do you do it? hopes of Bill Belichick making these decisions in a post-Tom Brady world where you just didn't realize how much Brady covered up.

Yeah. You know, so yeah, so you're right. Maybe getting rid of 14th overall is the better option. At least, like I said, and then you could flip Mac. Mac has a ton of like moving him, I think would be easy, arguably. I think a young quarterback still in a rookie contract that has. shown promise but didn't get like you know he had his own issues with the coaching staff i think that that's a that's a a guy that a lot of teams would go after too that they could arguably get back

decent draft value for if they wanted steve the new england patriots drafted cole strange in the first round last year yep there were other gms who openly mocked them for the selection that's how bad of a pick it was yep yep like philadelphia I think he was Howie, right? No, no, no, it was Tennessee. Tennessee GM openly mocked Bill for that pick. And he said, quote, that was a guy we were looking at in the third or fourth round. So like, anyways, let's move on.

One last team I want to throw out there, unless you got another point on the Patriots. No, do it. The Las Vegas Raiders. And this is basically Patriots West. So it's the same thing. and I know they just signed Jimmy Garoppolo and I don't care. I need someone to explain

I had the same rant about Vic Fangio and Denver about why he hinged his entire coaching career on Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Locke going into year two or three or whatever it was. Yep. I got to ask my boy Josh the same question. You're not getting another coaching opportunity after this guy. No.

You failed to explain your first one. You went back to rehab and suckled on the Patriots Tee again. and now you're you got a job and then you and then you dipped your toe back in you got a little bit scared you went back and now you have this this raiders job this is your last chance and you're telling me you're going to hit your wagon to jimmy garoppolo a guy who for one he's notoriously hurt Steve like aside from the skill set deficiencies here he's notoriously hurt yep he's not reliable their backup quarterback right now is a guy by the name of Chase Garbers.

You ever heard of him? No. No, me neither. I have no idea who Chase Garbers is. That sounds like a madden to create a player. It does. It was like, ah, that was your draft pick last year. Name generator.

Yeah. I'm sorry, man. This is a weird situation. And if Josh wanted a chance at being successful, he needs this is probably the team I think needs to do this the most I think Atlanta like good fit but I think they can get a guy eight to compete with Ritter and with Heineke or they could even get in a trade up discussion

Raiders are also right there too at seven but they need to be better right now because I think you know you've got Devante Adams who's getting older they just put a bunch of money in Jacoby Myers like their their skill set their skill player positions are they have guys that can that can play right now that are veterans older and like go get lamar jackson they also look on the defensive side of the ball like chanler jones is getting older you know he's he's probably their best defensive player to be honest max crosby's really good too obviously but point being steve like i don't know why in the world just like with fangio hitching his wagon to teddy bridgewater and drew lock at 70 years old

or whatever. You know, Vic waited how long to get a head coach's job? 30 years. Yeah. He gets one and then does that. Josh, you, like, if you lose this job, this is it for you as a head coach in the NFL. Especially because, like, Vic Fangio at least had a really good defense to hang his hat on the whole time he was there. Like, he legitimately was a quarterback away.

Like, if they had just found the right quarterback, this is a different situation where Las Vegas's defense has been a trip. for a while. And so why not go get Lamar and make the off make your offense a strong side of the ball and you know, I didn't work with Derek Carr, but I think, you know, I think Lamar elevates that offense to something a little bit higher than what Derek Carr offered. And why not just try and make your offense a strength and, you know, maybe keep your defensive flow. And then it allows you to focus a little bit more on the defensive side of the ball.

in the draft. Yeah. I think they need offensive line help, but at least with Lamar, it's a band-aid on some issues that you have. Oh, yeah. And just like, you're not winning anything, especially in the NFC with Jim, or sorry, AFC with Jimmy Garoppel. I'm sorry.

You're just not. No, listen, Shanahan maxed out Jimmy G. And I think we can all agree on that, that Jimmy G in San Fran was probably the best form of Jimmy G either. ever has or ever will be. Yep. And that's fine. But Josh McDaniel has to understand it as well.

Yes. All right. Real quickly, we need to close this out. Let's talk about the New York football jets. Yep. The interesting thing about all these teams we've laid out for Lamar is we've talked about how most of them, except for the Titans, have good situations for past catchers. The Jets are no different.

They've got Garrett Wilson. They've got Alan Lazard. They've got Corey Davis. They've got Mikul Hardman. Mekyll Hardman reminds me a lot of a guy that Lamar had a little bit of success with in Baltimore. I'm blanking. I don't know why I'm blanking. My brain is fried.

Devon DuVernay. Sorry. Okay. There's a lot of overlap there. Yeah. See Lamar. And the nice thing for Lamar is Mekul would be like the fourth or fifth guy on that death chart where right.

Renee was like number two. But actually he was there He was like their primary slot guy Yeah yeah exactly So their offensive line is not in terrible shape They have I would say a good tight end rotation With Conklin Uzuma and Jeremy Rucker Who they drafted in the third round last year

They've got a great running back situation They prove they could run the ball last year And their defense has been outstanding And getting better And it's young Under Robert Salah yes This is the team other than the Raiders that makes the most sense for.

And I know they're linked to Aaron Rogers for obvious reasons, right? Because they're probably feel like they're a quarterback away from really, you know, causing some. We all know they're a quarterback away. Yeah. I mean, last year was. Super Bowl competition, but from making the playoffs and being a legit team. I would go so far as to say they'd, I'd like, if they got an Aaron Rogers or Lamar Jackson, I think you'd immediately vault them to like top five.

of Super Bowl odds. Yeah, I won't, I won't argue with that now. Top five in the league or top five? Top five in the league, I would say. Like that, I mean, that's a good roster and that's a good team. They've got a lot of good weapons. They almost, like, did they end up with a winning record last year? I forget if they finished eight and nine or nine and they were right around there.

I think eight and nine. Yeah. And they did that with, I mean, they were anemic at quarterback all year. whether it was Zach Wilson doing whatever Zach Wilson did and Mike White had his games here and there where he had everyone believing for a second and then it didn't work out

but I mean just having stability at quarterback I think immediately makes them a top five team in the NFL on paper wow well yeah I mean even more reason for them to do it then because it is

And I just is like after everything now there was a report that came out today that said that everybody expects it every the Packers and the Jets both expect this deal to get done before the draft and there's rumors that it could happen as early as next week. Now we've heard that a million times now I feel like. Yes. But I did like if you're choosing between the two like you're going to have to give up first round picks for either guy. and I like the money's the same roughly like you're going to commit to paying rogers a ton of money either way exactly like is the is rogers that much better than jackson than lamar jackson that he's worth the you don't know how long he's going to stay he you know he had a down like a downer year last year it wasn't the quintessential Aaron Rogers that we're all used to seeing

And it's just this whole circus that it's going through. The circus that is Aaron Rogers is appearing on the Pat McAfee show. And, you know, I want to go to the Jets. But now I don't really have that power. Like, like, why not just strip yourself of it? Say to hell with everyone and just go get Lamar Jackson and then wash your hands of the entire situation. Agreed.

I firmly agree. In fact, I think this is now, we've talked, me into thinking this is the spot for Lamar. Has to be. Has to be. It makes no sense. I mean, I think one of the things that's not being talked about enough that is shying people away from Lamar is that like you basically have to fundamentally change what

you do on offense to accommodate his skill set because it is a unique skill set. Right. It's a core skill set and it's a powerful skill set, but it is so unique. It's like most teams aren't using playbooks that can feature Lamar's strength to its max right so you do have to so but okay that's fine that's an obstacle i'm willing to to give myself when i'm talking about trading for a 40 year old quarterback who's a headcase you know i yeah yeah i would rather i would rather i would rather have lamar if i'm the jets i agree i just don't think it's i just don't think the whole it's not worth it and like new york as a city as a media as

all of it like will only all of that stuff that happens in green bay Like, it's fine because Green Bay is its own little place. And, you know, it gets national news when it wants to be national news. In New York, you're not, like, there's no escape. And there's also no built up goodwill. Right. Especially after this whole rodeo that he's been, you know, he and the Packers and the Jets have been putting Jets fans through. I mean, if Rogers falters to start in any way that, you know, that immediate, all that,

goodwill or any potential excitement starts to dwindle and you know though like the pitchforks could come out not that i think that'll happen but it's just we know that new yorks are much more cutthroat market and especially with a team that is like right on the precipice of breaking up what has been a super long uh playoff drought and they seem to be at like at the next step like why not just focus on the football at hand and not bring in this you know, all the other outside issues that come with Aaron Rogers inherently. Right. I agree. All right. Steve, I think we need to get out of here. That's going to do it. Free Lamar Jackson, put him on the New York Jets, win at least contend for that division.

Yeah. And then potentially compete for the Super Bowl. I think that's a good recipe for success. So, all right. We're going to get out of here. here. Steve and I will be back next week. Make sure you're paying attention on Twitter about this, uh, the episode 50 giveaway that is going to happen. Um, it's going to be random, but you got to make sure you follow those steps.

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