Fantasy Football Daily - Our FIRST 2025 Dynasty Rookie Rankings + Tiers With Brett Whitefield | Dynasty Points

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

It is 2025 Rookie Tier Time for Dynasty Points. We are bringing in Fantasy Points draft guru Brett Whitefield. It is early, but never too early in the dynasty to look ahead to the stacked 2025 draft class. Use promo code - YouTube25 for 25% of your subscription Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ Listen to the podcast here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts Thinking About Thinking Substack - https://jakobsanderson.substack.com/p/lets-think-about-thinking Where to find us: http://twitter.com/DynastyPts http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/JakobSanderson http://twitter.com/BGWhitefield http://twitter.com/LGilbertFF 0:00 - Intro 6:47 - Patriots' struggles and draft class insights 11:48 - NFL Running Back Draft Strategies 18:16 - Tier List Introduction 24:17 - Situational Comparison of Shedeur 29:14 - Discussion on Ashton Jeanty's Skills 35:28 - Running Back Landing Spots 41:09 - Contested Catch Analysis 47:43 - McMillan Potential as a Unicorn X Receiver 53:00 - Discussion on Travis Hunter's potential roles 1:01:18 - Iowa running back Caleb Johnson 1:05:18 - Discussion on Anthony Richardson's performance 1:11:41 - Cam Ward Discussion 1:16:52 - Discussion on Tight End Prospects 1:25:19 - Wide receiver Luther Burden discussion 1:28:33 - Luther Burden's concerning profile 1:34:20 - Xavier Restrepo discussion 1:41:43 - Discussion on Jackson Dart 1:47:23 - Discussion on Quin Sean Judkins 1:53:04 - Jayden Higgins and TreVeyon Henderson analysis 2:00:17 - Fantasy Game Segment 2:06:07 - Final thoughts and appreciation FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm Thomas Tiple. That's Jacob Sanderson. One half of the hosts of Dynasty Points. Tonight, we have a special episode C.O. Of Fantasy Points and our draft guide extraordinaire brings his first look at his 2025 Dynasty Superflex rookie tiers. It's not often Brett Whitefield puts his NFL mind to fantasy football. But this episode, I can guarantee it was a real treat. For a lot of people in the Dynasty community, you are excited.

of course for the dynasty playoffs but for everybody else you might be looking all the way ahead of the 2025 rookie drafts this episode is going to be for you guys you're going to want to make sure to get the earliest dynasty 2025 breakdown on the feed out there courtesy of the master the maestro brett whitefield oh tuesday night is here again that means another dynasty points episode a special dynasty points episode the earliest we've ever taken a look at at a rookie class ever and we figured well it would be fitting to bring in one of the goats before we do that we want to again thank everybody for making dynasty points the most consumed content on the fantasy points network as a whole collectively you guys are here every single week every

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It's Brett Whitefield joining us for the first time, maybe the last time. We'll find out how he goes. Brett, we appreciate your comment on here, man. Thanks for having me. I'm just glad to get to talk to you guys when it's not draft night. What do you usually wait till the day of and we don't get to do this beforehand? Right. Are you like what, 20% 200%, 7,000% less exhausted than you are on like day three of the draft right now?

Very much so. Although I am an old man and we'll see how this goes. Right. I mentioned to Brett that our listeners keep asking us to go three to three and a half hours. He was like, no. It's like, don't worry. We don't want to do that either. With that being said, it's important to point out that it is really early, right?

We are five, six months even away from people doing their rookie drafts because why we wanted to point out, this is the earliest look. These are going to change for all of us. this is not what Brett's final board is going to look like. This is fantasy focused more than it is real football focus. Obviously, this is a fantasy football show. Real football does matter. Don't get us wrong. But on this here program, this is going to be a breakdown of where Brett, as of right now,

you have some people ranked. There are some players not on this list because as you sent me, you think that they are going back to school. They're not on this list for now. We can talk about them at the end. But before that, let's talk a little bit about the process, how you get to where you're, where you're going ultimately, and how you start looking at the draft class itself. Yeah, great, great question on the process. So I have a numeric scoring system.

And basically what that looks like is I have, it's a weighted system. I've got four main buckets. The biggest bucket being filmed for me, obviously. you know production models and analytics are another bucket and they're all they're all weighted accordingly but the film bucket is is is the biggest bucket it has so with each position and each archetype for the position i have all these different benchmarks i like to see hit and i kind of as i watch i literally watch every snap of every player i scout by the way so i will not write a scouting report on a player i didn't watch every single snap of their college career um yeah and i have you know

certain criteria of how often i want to see things repeatable skills sets, things of that nature. And then all that gets weighted into a score that's zero to 100. And typically, you know, year to year I have between 17 and 18 first round grades. Obviously, the last few years, we've had a ton of good wide receiver prospects. This year might be a little light there at wide receiver. But at the end of the day, I've adjusted what we're doing tonight for some fantasy dialogue and not just real football.

So this is, this is fun. I find it funny, you and I when we talk, it's usually what I'm talking about fantasy. You're talking about real and then figure that out halfway through the conversation we're even having. So true. At least we have that off rip that that is the direction that we're going today. With that being said, we have a couple of Discord questions that I think are really good. If you bear with me, I am just going to look for them. As we pull that up, I just want to say, do you have a lean on?

where this class sits overall like i know you mentioned that it's not so good for uh offensive line which is not great uh that's not great but where does it sit as an overall class for you yeah if you're a new england patriots fan you're screwed i don't know a line's getting better next year without uh heavy free agency investment but yeah i think this this class i think it's fine it's mostly i think the studs are all on the defensive side of the ball for the most part So I think that's a little tricky. I think we're light in the pants at wide receiver and really light at offensive line. I think quarterback's pretty light too.

I got really one guy that I love and everyone else is a big wild card for me. And then it's loaded at running back, loaded at tight end. I think, you know, as far as the fantasy landscape goes, this is a, I guess a landscape changing draft at the running back position. I think you find five, six, seven, eight, maybe, you know, day one starters in this draft. obviously there's not going to be that many opportunities in the league but eventually those guys turn into starters in my opinion so i think it's a really good draft for running backs and then tight ends if you play in a tight end premium dynasty league you want a lot of picks in the second round a lot of picks in the early third there's a lot of good tight ends in this class a lot of good pass

catching tight ends in this class i i love that that actually ties into a couple of the questions we can hit that real quick here uh from t rex in the fantasy points discord which you can go and get at fancy points dot com that link is obviously going to be down in the description if you want to hop in there all the dynasty content is free as of right now which is just a massive steal especially now that we are diving into that's rookie content we are teaming up with the Josh Chevaliers and the college football side to do some mock drafts that we're going to be doing we're going to be doing mock drafts with subscribers ton of dynasty

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guys. He's not going to score as high as Bijon did for me. I'll just say that right off the rip, but he'll be in the mix of those other guys listed. Better than Breeze, perhaps, better than Gibbs, maybe. Probably right around, maybe just under Gibbs as well. I don't have an official score on him yet but I think that's where he's going to come in based on what I've seen so far. You know, it's, I think Gibbs was my second highest graded running back ever. So, I mean, that's like a 10-year sample. So even though he was the second running back in that class, he was, you know, of the near generational variety for me. So.

Yeah. I mean, I have conflicted by the NFL, right? Like if he, he went, what, 12th? I think 12th overall. And, I mean, you look at almost any other class recently at like post-Saquin. on I think that's the second highest any other running back is gone right otherwise it was 2019 Jacob was the late first Clyde was a late first Reese was a second so I think that that holds up for sure and to think he was like a McRib away right from hitting 200 and people were vastly

concerned the man just needed a McRib before weigh in guys it's just unbelievable how good he is Brian we're gonna get into your question when we talk about this player because I feel like it's ties into the player. We have CMS jump manned. What do we do with picks in this class? Move up. Or are we trying to get out into 26, just like it was a couple of years ago.

There was a couple of years ago that Kenny Pickett draft. It was either move up or get out. How do we feel about this draft? I feel like I personally am leaning towards moving up slash getting back, maybe not out. I feel like I want a lot of second round picks in this draft more than I want a lot of mid-first. Brett, what's your initial takeaway with the class in general? Yeah, without giving away my tears here, I think if you can get a top two pick, that's great.

If you land somewhere in that three to nine range, it might be worth moving back a couple spot, pick up a second. Like, if you land at like five, you're going to get a player at nine that's pretty much as good at five. and I think moving back to nine, picking up a second is going to be very valuable, especially in those tight end premium leagues where you might be getting a very good tight end in the second round that can catch a lot of balls. So yeah, you guys would know better. If I were to tell you that this draft class will have three first round running backs and Shadur Sanders, you're going to want to get one of those four guys probably, right?

I mean, that's pretty good draft capital for running back. So you guys tell me, if that's the case, if that's what happens, where do you want to be? I mean, who knows if that's, I mean, my. perception in this class has been that it's going to kind of come down to like because the running back class is awesome right and then where I want to be to me kind of depends on what does the NFL do because I'm not 100% sure if the NFL is going to look at this like I think every organization is different what we've seen over the last few years is that a lot of the times the teams we want to draft the running backs don't the teams that we that have running backs do because there's kind of a split in

the NFL where some teams seem to really value the position some teams don't really value the position. So often the teams that look like they have the most glaring need for running back, those are the teams that don't value the position very highly. So those aren't the teams that are going to be spending the first round pick on the running back. Teams that do spend the first round pick on the running back might be the teams that already have, you know, a pretty solid running back in place like we saw with the Lions and the Falcons a couple years ago. So I think the curiosity to me is like how many teams are there in the NFL that are willing to spend around one or round two pick on a running back because that number might be lower than there are running backs

who are in a vacuum deserving of around one or round two pick. And then I think if that if the number's high, right, if we get like you said, three first round running backs, a few more second round running backs, some of them hopefully in good spots, like then that becomes really, really interesting to be drafting in the early to mid first. If what happens is kind of what I somewhat suspect to happen, which is that we get a lot of like very overqualified third and fourth round pick running backs, then I don't think that those guys are going to be sexy enough for dynasty managers to want to bet on them in the mid to late first. But I probably want to be attacking a lot of them in the mid to late second because as we've seen

recently, you know, these running backs that are drafted in the third, fourth round, fifth round even, are getting opportunities earlier than they used to because a lot of them are going to teams that value the position a little bit lower. So they're not like guys like a Tracy, guys like an Irving. These guys are actually getting opportunities. Teams didn't use to draft fourth or fifth round running backs to be part of their plans. They used to be pure backups. Now they're making these players far more part of the actual plan of attack and they're getting

those opportunities. So that's kind of how I view it is I don't know yet what tier I want to be in because I want to find out how high the NFL is going to draft these running backs. Well said. Yeah. I think, oh, go ahead, Lucas. I was going to say I think right now I want to be in the top six I feel like if you're seeing in the top six you're going to be in a really good position to either land one of the let's just say there's three first round running backs one of those three first round running backs I'm going to go say there's probably going to be at least two first round quarterbacks and then there's one wide receiver that I at least hold in a higher regard than any other wide receiver so if you're sitting inside those top six I mean give me the 106 and I'm going to be happy with any of them that are following. to that spot. If there's a position that you're just like really dire on, then maybe start to,

you know, creep up a little bit higher. Like say like you feel like you're a running back away and you're sitting there like the 107 or something. Try to sneak it up to like 104, get into a good position there to get whichever running back is left from that standpoint. If you really need a wide receiver, I don't think the wide receiver I'm alluding to is going to go in the top four picks right now, but we'll see how it goes with landing spot. But I think a lot of it's going to be maneuvering around somewhere between 104 to 106. And that's really going to be the prime spot. If you're not getting there, that I'm comfortable falling back into like the mid-second, unless we just see like an unexpected run on quarterbacks. And then I might start moving

back up into the top of the second round to get, you know, those quarterbacks who are going in the first round, but nobody's really that excited about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is going to be a scenario. Brian mentioned it in the chat. Quarterback draft capital is going to affect a lot of what happens in Superflex for your key draft. Superflex, obviously being our primary source of play. We play in mostly Superflex start 10, tight end premiums because we're not lunatics, but the start 13 and start 14, you know, three point tight end premium, you know, start two tight ends.

You guys are all degenerates. This would be a good draft for you guys to play the two tight ends. Great draft for you. you guys the way it's shaping out but i think that draft capital and running backs has changed a lot like jacob had mentioned but to me this draft class looks like one of those ones if you got a running back that is kind of broken out this year like a chase brown or a tyrone tracy junior etc um be worried a little bit at least a little bit because this is peak trade every running back that aren't the top three season and get the best package you can get in dynasty this is just

like a classic season's kind of over if it's if it done for you and you don't have trade deadlines it's time to move those guys this is a draft class that can legitimately come in and do serious damage for the running backs in the 12 to 19 spot in dynasty rankings can really come and mess some stuff up and like jacob said the teams that we want to draft running backs they're going to dallas uh they're not going to dallas um they got rico dattle man he's a freaking stud that's what jaco was saying this whole time and the the zeke troters quite what i'm saying that's not quite what i'm saying just in comparison he and zeke uh yeah we knew he was not as bad as you guys think he is was basically my was basically my day uh he looks aside he's looked damn good the last three weeks jokes aside

yeah he looks yeah he looks very good they definitely like i don't know if he's an NFL starting running back but people were talking like he wasn't like he was like a community called running back of the off season and like he's clearly an NFL player like he's yeah he's clearly like he's clearly like at the very least he's a quality NFL backup he is at least CFL all-star quality come on come up uh okay Brett Richardson averaged over five yards per carry in his one CFL season and that scarred me on the quality of CFL football for a while Ricky Williams came out of retirement to also play for the Argonauts and almost fresh for a thousand yards playing half the time so uh shout out shout out Ricky Williams man

Toronto Argonaut legend. CFL champion Toronto Argonaut's Sucket Bombers, Jacob, you guys are losers. That being said, wow. We are going to take our first break. And when we come back, it is the real meat of the program.

As everyone knows on this program, we love our meat. And the meat of the program is coming up. So sit tight on the other side of the break. It is tier list time. You're not gonna wanna miss it. It's the first time for fantasy points. We have done a rookie tier show on the YouTube channel.

Excited about that. Breaking ground here, can't wait. All right, so as you can see, we have our super advanced setup. This time we have it so we know what player is who, which was a drawback from the wide receiver and quarterback tier show. We added text, so it's a little easier for me to operate, even though I have been accused of not being able to read very well. So with that being said, Brett, the man of the show, I'd say man to the hour, but we all know it's going to be more than that.

Let's dive in. Number one thing to remember, not ranks. these are tiers so for the most part a lot of these players could go either way that's something to keep in mind when you're watching something like this or when we're discussing this this isn't necessarily player x is for sure better than player you know why but they're they're in the same tier if you would brett number one who do you want to talk about first yeah just real quick on that note i did try to organize it how i think my board will shape out But I also, because it's fantasy focused, I did inject a little bit of how I think the NFL draft capital will work out because I know the fantasy community cares about that a ton.

So my board might look entirely different. Just reordering that. Number one, Shadur Sanders, quarterback, Colorado. Listen, Superflex, fantasy football. Quarterbacks are scarce. They are a commodity that is scarce. This draft class is certainly not helping that. I know Shadur has plenty of critics.

I happen to love him. I don't think you're going to find a cleaner quarterback prospect in this class. For a lot of the reasons, I loved J.J. McCarthy last year. I love Shadur Sanders, except now I don't have to have people throwing the low volume thing in my face because Shadour has plenty of volume guys. Lots of lots of pass attempts under his belt. But man, from a repeatable mechanic standpoint, what he does in the pocket, his footwork, his delivery, his pre-snap stuff, getting into the right protections, things that I really care about. playing the quarterback position the way it's supposed to be played, not what you're seen in Chicago with Caleb Williams.

This is what Shedur Sanders is. He's awesome. And then to add a little pizzazz to it, he's awesome off script. So he does all the high-level quarterback stuff really well. And if you need him to go create, make a play with his legs. And it's not as much running as it is extending plays to pass. But he's got that in his toolbag as well. Very, very good player here.

Good arm talent as well, you know, some of the best tight window throws we've seen in the class. And the only thing that I have seen the most with him is the way he holds the ball. Takes a lot of sacks. Is this part of because of the moving around, playing out a structure, trying to make the big play? Is that something that could be a concern? Because you mentioned Caleb and one of his problems has been his is taking too many sacks. Is this something that you could possibly see, especially behind a poor offensive line? Let's face it, Shudor goes to the Raider.

Shadur goes to the Giants. He's running for his life. No, I don't see I don't see the Caleb component there at all. Like Shador plays on script most of the time. He does play behind a terrible offensive line at Colorado. His pressure to sack ratio though is is plenty fair and in fair margin there. Like it's it's fine. It's not anything to be concerned about. Love that.

I've become a little bit more Shadur optimistic this year. And obviously this just blanket statement for every player we talk about today that like I have not done nearly as much work on these guys as Brett has yet, and I reserve the right to change my mind drastically in January and February on a lot of these guys when I dive more in. But diving more, the early vibes that I've gotten, if I was to do an NFL comparison, it's like, it's a little bit of Gino for me where he's a guy from a situational perspective that's asked to command an extremely comprehensive dropback game without any run game at all and without any offensive line at all. And it's just putting a lot on his shoulders. and it's a spot where to me, when you're in that situation,

I think that the quality of the quarterbacking play to play can often look even a little bit better than the stats do. And his stats are not bad. He has high quality stats for sure. But I've definitely come to appreciate how much of the offense rests on his shoulders, not just from a production standpoint, but also from like an operational standpoint at the line and the management of it. Yeah, my only issue for him in Dynasty is I just like, the quarterback position is is unpredictable enough and so situationally dependent enough that I just get very skittish.

Anytime we're talking about 101, 102 picks on back to I don't project to have much rushing production because you just need to be so perfect in your evaluation for that the pick to pay off. That would be the one reason that I end up low on Shudor if I do end up low on Shudor. but from the way that people talk about it, like I don't hear a lot about any quarterbacks in this class in the top two in Mox right now. So if we're talking about 103, 104, 104, 105, Shudder Sanders, then, you know, that issue goes out the window. Yeah, let me throw this in there.

So you meant like the Gino, the situational comparison, I think is actually pretty spot on. I think they're very different players on the field, but the situational comparison is great. Shadour's not going to turn the ball over. And I think from a play style standpoint, he reminds me a little bit of Joe Burrow. It's not a one-to-one at all,

but the way he can extend with his legs to then throw the ball downfield, very similar to Joe Burrow. Similar arm talent, too, where they don't have bazookas for arms, but they're really confident throwing the ball into tight windows, all touch for days.

They have every tool, or I should say every club in the golf bag there. But to your point, though, Jacob, if let's just, you know, extrapolate out and say he is Joe Burrow, but he doesn't have a Jamar Chase, that's probably not worth a 101 to your point, right? Like Joe,

where's Joe Burrow scoring this year? He's barely a QB1, right? Well, Joe, Joe Burrow without Jim, Joe Burrow without Jamar Chase is, it's like we're looking at the Justin Herbert season. Exactly. Exactly.

So it's, it's really the rushing to me is what makes 101 quarterbacks. Uh, this is my issue with guys like Stroud, guys like Bryce when they were coming out. It was, you know, what's the rushing upside in general?

And there, it's why, you know, I'm anti-pylon quarterback that high to begin with. I don't think he's a pylon. I think he can move. I just don't think it's going to be a like, he's not going to be what I consider a real life sense.

But he's he's not going to be like he's he's a mobile quarterback. But I don't think we should expect a lot of rushing production. Right. We need him to hit 350 rushing yards for me to like really 300, 300 to 350 like the herbert season you know what i mean for me to really be interested and i have a hard time with that with him right now yeah i don't see more than 250 and you all are making really good points like i he definitely has a lot of confidence in his arm i think that his touch is probably the best in the class and his confidence in himself i think is probably best in the class which i mean you

want as a quarterback the arm like in terms of like just you know having like that pure arm talent to push the ball you know 60 plus yards down the field that's not what you're you getting with him. I do think he has a very good understanding of the offense, but sometimes he has too much confidence in himself for some of the throws, which we'll see how that translates into the NFL. And Thomas, like you're saying, I don't trust him enough in terms of trying to move with his legs or, you know, getting those couple, like, I don't know, let's just say four rushing touchdowns on the season. I don't know if that's really something that's realistic for him. and I'm terrified of the situation he's going to be going into.

Now, if something, like, if something crazy happens in the NFL draft, if Dionne Sanders actually has, you know, pull and finds him like the perfect landing spot where he has weapons, he has an offensive line, they're just missing that quarterback to go. You know, that might change. I'm a little concerned with him that I don't think he's special enough to be putting in the S tier. I think he is the best quarterback in this class, but he's not really like that. generational talent that okay that's why it would be putting him in a not quite s okay i i i vibe

with that um we're gonna we're gonna put them for for the sake of the show let's just put these guys wherever brett wants them that's that's what we're doing yeah i love the disagreement yeah i i i like that as well i was going to make that a point to mention a little different than what we're doing on the other ones we do have some people with some size concerns uh timothy in the chat the sanders size is concerning looks to be a weight outlier is this something you're worried about or no no he's 250 pounds and he's rocked up so his dad's got him on an insane training regimen i don't i'm not worried about that at all yeah that's that's great point let's go with quarterback i will i will just say back to the borough not having jimmon the top two teams that seem to be projected to take them

the giants and raiders at least they got neighbors and and bowers i mean i don't mind the i don't find the giant situation i mean like i don't know radical because there's nothing depth but like you have neighbors and you have andrew thomas so if you can keep those to the o johnson you have lt1 wide receiver one like the tight end one a little bit easier to put in place i like theo jason i like theo my big concern with both the giants and the raiders for shader are potentially lame duck coaches like we just saw with caleb and chic yeah how much more leash is dayball going to have i don't think he's gone at the year i get to the end of the year either so i don't know i'm just saying that's that's that's one concern if they don't move on this off season.

Yeah. Coaching is definitely going to be massive. 100%. All right, Brett. We are as your co-host of the first repotters would say, Brett Whitefield. Let's move on to number two on this list.

Who do you got? Yeah, it's the guy that I'm sure most of you have number one and that's Ashen Janty, running back, Boise State. absurd skill set, absurd season he's having. Actually, it's really back-to-back absurd seasons, if we're being honest here. I'm not sure what his limitations are, to be honest, watching tape.

He's a little undersized, but who cares? Like, he's the modern NFL size, so that's really all that matters, right? So from a player comp standpoint. Tacklable. Yeah, untacklable. You know, his tackle breaking metrics against good teams is a little bit lighter

than the bad teams. But anyways, he's somewhere on the spectrum between Kenneth Walker the third and Jemir Gibbs to me from a playstyle standpoint. I thought Kenneth Walker was a really good prospect. I thought Gibbs obviously was an awesome prospect. He's somewhere between there. Very insane burst and acceleration. His ability to cut off one foot is excellent. I really like the run scheme he comes from because they have a lot of zone stuff. They also throw in a lot of gap stuff with polars. So no matter where he lanes in the NFL, he's going to have experience playing behind whatever that run scheme is. So I think that's a valuable trait.

Something I loved about Bijan too come out of Texas. Texas literally runs everything. They run counter, power, trap, inside zone, outside zone. It doesn't matter. They run at all. So Janty has a similar, you know, I guess time on task with all of those concepts as well. So that excites me. And then he's underrated as a pass catcher.

Dude, it runs absolutely crisp routes. They've basically asked him to not catch the ball this year. I'm not sure why last year he was a big part of the past game but it just kind of fell off the table this year i i i'm not worried about that at all either he's a complete dude so i mean i think everybody loves as to jedd i i i don't know other than like maybe some very weird people that are uh too online about the heisman race i'm all agreed that that ashton you mentioned that you had him that you were definitely going to have him behind be jean you might have him behind gibbs like at the very very upper 98th 99th 100th percentile outcomes

what do you see is the thing that holds them back from like where you would have had as a bejean or where you'd have like the quote unquote generational running back what's if there's anything to nitpick if i'm nitpicking i think the the vision is concerning at times i think he gets a little big play happy especially if he has and we've seen it in recent weeks actually where he starts getting bottled up you know two three one yard carries you know he gets five or six of those in a row he starts to hunt big plays. I think it's the nature of also chasing a Heisman, maybe that gets easily coached out in the NFL.

If I'm nitpicking, that's the only thing I'd say. Like, Jemir Gibbs to me, his vision was so crispy. His patience was excellent. His urgency, like he had this perfect marriage between urgency and patience. And I sometimes I think Ashton just kind of lacks that just a little bit. We're nitpicking here. I mean, who knows? Because obviously none of us are, you can get inside the mind of Ashton Chanty on a play-to-play basis.

but I described some of that, maybe more charitably, just to the idea. And I'm seeing Sequin comp in the chat. And I kind of felt similarly about him at Penn State, which is like, Jemir Gibbs was playing in a very competent offense, well, not at Georgia Tech really, but at the Alabama, in his Alabama season, he was a cog in a fairly excellent wheel,

where he had to do his role. And you had faith that other people were also going to do their job. It's true. And in Jensie's case, I mean, I'm not trying to be particularly disrespect. to Madsen or anyone else in that team, but like he is the offense. He is the focal point of the offense. When they create explosive plays, when they score points, it usually has to come through him. I can see how your mindset is like getting this to second five, you know,

getting this to second and six is not necessarily resulting in us finding the end zone as, as commonly where like I might need to find the end zone myself on on the second and eight carry that I'm given. I have no idea if he's thinking about things that way. I just think that I try to be a little bit more charitable to the big play hunting when from an offensive perspective, like their number one path touchdowns is kind of Ashton big play hunting. Yeah, those are those are salient points for sure. We have someone want to know what is the what is the landing spot? What is the nut spot for Ashton coming up in April? What is what is the landing spot for you system coaching with the coaches? We'll say coaches right now. We can't

project coach is being fired who's going to be who's there and who's not what's the perfect spot well i'd say would you would you say jacob i saw chargers yeah charges would be nice his he's so similar jimier gibbs to me that i would say wherever ben jonson lands up if he goes somewhere this year okay i think that's nice um and we know he'd probably be willing to do it too because they did it here in detroit he's going to try to do whatever that'd be uh i can see i can see it in Jacksonville with Ben Johnson that could be fun oh god that would be fun when though like that would be kind of a log jam but yeah i i mean let's i mean Ben Johnson's probably going to want two running backs involved so you know you trade et n if you can trade him and then you you do

gentie is like a they wouldn't it would don't go i hope i wouldn't go 50-50 with him in bigsby but you do some sort of 70 30 or something like that biggsby's your hammer and then janties your yeah i like that i like that i like that you don't go i like that you don't go that's that's good um i think ideally though if you're looking at a guy who's going to be the first pick in dynasty you want him to land somewhere he's going to touch the ball 300 times a season though so i don't know what that opportunity looks like right now the NFL landscape is very crowded the chargers might be the one spot okay we're we're another year of hoping the chargers draft a running back highly this would be the year to do it for them uh we know that they drafted one fake

NFL player in Vidal. Hopefully they do not try to do that again. I think, I mean, I think that the, I think that that team does value the position. I just think it was a clear mandate from them this off season to be like, we're going to, we're going to build the trenches year one. Yeah. And then we'll address the skill positions year two. So that I could see them doing something like that.

But it would be, it would be a blast because I mean, the big thing I want for any running back, number one thing on my landing spot is just. do they land with a quarterback who's willing to throw the ball to running backs? Because that's the number one path to fantasy supreme supreme upside. It's just a lot of these running backs, they're like a lot of these running backs are, are they, do they land in a spot where they can absorb four or five freebie targets that aren't scheme targets because it's a pocket quarterback who wants to get the ball out of the running back? We just talked about this in Dynasty Points Market Report this last week about Jonathan Taylor

being a guy that doesn't catch enough passes. Like there's only every every year or two, there's like one to two guys that are an RB1 by points and expected fantasy points per game that catch food in 35 passes and their names are usually Nick Chubb, Derek Henry.

So there's only a handful of guys that can do that. So you're right. Pass catching. The landing spots does so much that point, right? Like look at these guys. Look at like a Charbonne when he plays or a walker. Like, you know, I'm not saying those guys aren't good pass catchers, but they're not like Jemir Gibbs,

just dynamic, get in space, and give barely even catches past these days. But it's like in the context of that offense, they're dropping back constantly. Gino's happy to take those checkdowns. Like that's, it's just a, it's a cozy spot.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Obviously the whole package matters, but I think that's a good outlook. Tyler is back on his, on his, on his shit with the five and a very nice 69. Bonjour,

you sexy beast. Wish y'all were my Thanksgiving sides. I will say this is up. Gentie. If I had to put money on one player from this draft to make it in the NFL, it's going to be Gentie. But we did this segment, I think it was two years ago with Bijon Robinson about if you have the 101, are you taking Bejohn? Because he was in 101 or are you trading back? I am much more happy to trade back from 101 if my team's just garbage and knowing that somebody's going to be targeting Genti to move up. I'm a little bit concerned about what his like long term value is going to be. I also saw a tweet earlier today about, you know, we always talk about, you know, the miles that running backs have.

This is a running back who's going to have about, I think it's almost 600 carries or more in college. That that's a lot of carries that he's going to be. Yeah, but I mean, that's what he's going to be carrying over into the NFL. Like there are a couple of concerns that I have with him. I still think he's, like, if anybody makes it from his class, this is going to be him. It's just, you know, he isn't at the quite, like, be jean tier. He's just a little bit below it, even though he's still awesome.

I like the mileage thing, though. I mean, the running backs that we've seen that can hold up to these, like, there are very few running backs that actually get, like, insane, insane touchdowns in today's NFL. But the ones that do, like, Sequin got a fuck ton of college touches. Henry got a fuck ton of college touches. Taylor got a fuck ton of college shots like those are the guys that

that actually do see those 95% snapshund. I mean, Bejohn, right? Like he was never, I mean, he was a workhorse, but he wasn't quite at that level of workhorse to college. He hasn't been quite that level of workhorse the NFL.

Gibbs obviously was a, was a split time running back college, split time running back in the NFL. Like I, I like that he's coming in with a ton of touches. That I appreciate about him. Yeah, that's going to be a whole strategy thing that we can get into.

But if you're a natural 101, this is not the class for you to be picking gentie like that's really what it comes down to lots of running backs like brett said you can definitely get a package and trade back slash out et cetera let's talk about the next two well you know what we're 38 minutes lucas and just so trade doesn't get mad at me again and i forget to run our second ad break and go to 55 minutes without it let's hit our next one uh and dive deep into the second set which is also the largest here from what I can read slash count, even though I've been told I don't count very well.

We are going to dive into that when we get back on the other side of this break. Brett Whitefield. All right. We have a new position here is making its way. We have a wide receiver hopping in here. And we kind of talked about him a little bit today. And I liked what you had to say. Who do you got?

Ted McMillan wide receiver Arizona people are going to be alarmed it's not Travis Hunter we'll get into that when we bring Travis Hunter out to the list but yeah people are I think he's the consensus 102 right now most of the conversations I have with people in Dynasty World you think Ted is the consensus 102

I mean we're way too early but like right now if we were doing if we were doing rookie drafts right now in my leagues I think that would go 102 in most oh cool I agree yeah he's so he's um you know, I made the comp of, of Gentie being between Kenneth Walker and Gibbs somewhere in that spectrum. Well, McMillan's between somewhere between Drake London and Mike Evans. He's not quite as freaky as Mike Evans, but he's not quite as a pumpkin as a pumpkin. But very similar players and they're, oh, what was the face Thomas?

You called Drake London a pumpkin? Well, he's just not a very twitchy athlete. Let's be honest. All right. It's not a great. Fine player. I love Drake London as a pro fine player. Kill Harry.

a pumpkin like let's let's no you'll hear he was a tight end playing wide receiver no i i love drake blooded but i wouldn't call him explosive he's yeah exactly so ted's explosive tet he's he's near that mike evans you know huge frame but also explosive but the buttery smoothness you get with tech mcmillan the the legit route running chops um i'm just going to get out ahead of it before somebody asked the contested catch thing is sort of BS um one thing about contestant catch charting when it comes to college football specifically is it's mostly a quarterback stat. I've proven this over and over. I've done true contested catch rate the last few classes I posted on Twitter every year.

It's a thread. Most contested catches in college is a quarterback stat because these guys are usually throwing late. The scheme is so unadventive that they're throwing design fade routes on second and 10. You know, like it's just everyone's kind of reserved the fact that it's going to be a contested catch situation on purpose. But yeah, late throws, quarterbacks with subpar arms, lollipop in the ball over a defender's head. Like, it is truly mostly a quarterback stat. So I'm not worried about the contestant catch stuff at all with Tet. He didn't have a very good quarterback play this year.

He's a monster. He can do everything. You know, for a guy that size, the movement skills are truly rare. The separation skills are truly rare. So total package, body control, hands, you know, everything you need. You run after catch for a big guy, too. he's hard to bring down. So I love Ted. Well, I was talking to Josh Avalea.

Obviously, the CFF All Access host. Wonderful college fancy football content creator. Also shout out. We have the best CFF content embedding in the business. I'll fight you on it. It's okay. It's fine. But we did really well this year.

He says insane vert. He says like a 40-inchvert. He hit 22 miles per hour in game. this year kind of insane and he says good hands great route runner 6 5 to 16 so a lot of like in the NFL if he's that size he's hitting 22 miles per hour 40 inch for with the hands he has in the route running what can't the man do i mean that's the complete package so yeah i'll make a i'll make a comp that uh is is it's going to sound like it's solely based on his name but um Makes sense to me.

Kobe Bryant was once asked about Tracy McGrady. And he said, that guy can do everything I can do, but he's two inches taller. And that's in terms of like a rangey athlete who can do everything that slightly smaller wide receivers can do that are wide receiver ones, but are two inches taller,

that's my TMA comparison is to the other TMA in a little different sport. I like that's one I've been riding with. Shout out Raptors legend, Tracy McGrady. Yes. I have two things on TMAC. One, I wanted, I think I get into an annual rant about the percentage of contested targets. It is my least favorite thing all the time. There's a lot of people, it's, to me, it's very bad analytics.

The reason for that is the way that the status usually presented, not always, but usually presented is the percentage of targets that you earn that were contested. That tells you basically nothing because it doesn't tell you what the denominator is, which is the more important stat, which is how many targets did you earn? So like if you have, you know, if you have like, if you look at your overall route, you know, the percentage of targets is 100. And then eight of those end up being your contested targets out of 32% is your target share. That's like somehow looked at as worse is if you had like 4% contested targets out of like a 24% It just doesn't make any sense.

So like even if you, even if you stand and I agree with a lot of what Brett says, as to the issues with deeming a uncontested target as clearly better than a contested target, I'm not convinced of that. But even if you say that that's true, what you should really then be caring about is how many uncontested targets did you earn, not what percentage of your targets were contested or what percentage of your targets were uncontested. So I hate the application of that stat. The other thing is, is people then don't look at how good are you at contested targets.

So what's not great? If half of your targets are contested and then you suck at contested catches, that's not a very good combination. If you happen to be very good at contested catches and one of the reasons why they're giving you more of those backshoulder fades and those opportunities is because that's a skill set you have, then I'm not really going to hold that against you. And then the last thing I'm going to say is you think about how an offense functions. I mean, a lot of these dudes that play at these massive programs are not going to have, you know, they're not going to be able to have quite as high of target shares because there's more miles to feed. There's more capable wide receivers in the progression.

But you're not going to have to force as many balls because it's going to be more opportunities of open dudes. If you're playing on some of these teams where you're the only show in town, Well, then chucking you a contested ball all of a sudden becomes a way more viable approach if that's the secondary option versus finding your other guy who's wide open. So I really ate that stat. I forgot my second point was going to be, but I have to do that annual round. Not to belabor the point. I want to add to that.

So if you want to look at a correlating skill set among the best receivers in the NFL, all of them are ridiculous at contested catches. Look at the best receivers of the last five years. Devante Adams, Stefan Diggs, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Terry McClure. They're all freaking nuts at the catch point. Like every single one of them. That doesn't mean they can't get open. It doesn't mean they don't separate. It just means when push comes to shove and we need our dude to go beat your dude,

we're going to trust that guy to make that play. So I think it's a great skill set to have. But I'm certainly not knocking Tet Macillan because he's, uh, McMillan because he's, uh, great at contested catches. Can we just say that, I remember my second point now that I want to ask Brett. Oh, sorry. I was just going to say,

Can we can we say maybe at three then if that's the case? If he is what we think he is, is he a Patriot at three then? If the offensive line isn't, isn't what you think, no. That would be a great spot for, for fantasy purposes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I love that for my Maybags too, obviously. Can we get him one other competent player on his offense at any position? I see that or Carolina to me are like two. Yeah, for sure. The question out about Tet. And so clearly, you know, I think he profiles and correct me if I'm wrong in this, but as that potential unicorn X wide receiver in the NFL, the one of the concerns has happened with Marvin Harrison this year in terms of his production is like his skill set fits well with a lot of the ex wide receiver things, but he doesn't necessarily have from his skill set perspective or at least as a comparative advantage to other wide receivers is the easy button skills. is that, you know, a guy you want to toss a bunch of bubble screens to get the ball in space to, necessarily. What do you see is that aspects of Tet's game?

Because that's the one thing that's slightly concerned me with some of these bigger receivers and not all is, like, do they end up playing a more valuable NFL role than fantasy role? Or do you think that Ted is a guy that they want to scheme easy buttons to? So let me hit Marv real quick, because I think the concerns around Marvin Harrison Jr.'s rookie season have little to do with him and more to do with he plays with a boob of a quarterback. and a boob of a play caller and Drew Petzig. Okay. These guys are terrible.

I mean, some of the route technique they're teaching him with, like, he's basically, they're asking a 6-4-22 pound receiver to speed roll a dig route. It's like, bro, what are we doing? That's not what he's good at. That's not what he does. Yeah, so to your point, I think Marv could be fine on some more, maybe not bubble screens, but quick game type stuff, you know, quick slants and some hitch routes, like kind of how AJ Browns,

used in Philly. I think you could absolutely get more involved in the short part of the field with that stuff. So and then moving forward to Tet now, yeah, Ted's, he's way more elusive than Marvin Harrison Jr. as far as the run up to catch stuff. So I would say bubbles. He has a healthy diet of them. Drag routes. Yeah, drag routes. Yeah, shallow crossers, medium crossers, you know, working the boundary on a hitch route. You can definitely get him involved in the short part of the field pretty easily with his skill set. Yeah, he is a McShanahan system, wet dream. really inside outside type player good run blocker can do it can do a lot of the nitty gritty work as well never has to come off the field I just thought of a

great comp form once you said that oh he's Joana Jennings on the captain American super serum super soldier serum yeah I love that man I love it Lucas that's that's fun I will say with Ted he's the one wide receiver in this class I feel like you don't have to scheme catches for I think he can always go out and start winning targets organically. You don't have to go into it pre-play saying we have to find a way to get him the ball. He's going to go out there and earn the ball as soon as he steps onto the field as a rookie. So I think that he's a little bit more immune to different types of systems, a little bit more immune to different types of quarterback play.

Like the big thing with Malik Neighbors is the way that we thought that he was going to be used. You don't have to have a good quarterback to get him touches the way that we thought. the giants are going to get him touches. I think with Ted, though, he can go out there. He can actually run as close to a full route tree as you'd want a rookie wide receiver to be running. And I think he's going to go ahead and start winning those catches. That's why he is like the clear wide receiver won to me.

That's why, like if you have a wide receiver need on your team and you have like one of the top draft picks or if you're sitting there at 107, I'm doing all I can to try to move into the 103, 104 range to potentially get him. We'll see if he's still there. I know, Jacob, you're saying that you think he's going to be the consensus 102. I think a quarterback might sneak up. I think Shador Sanders might end up being the 102.

If he is, then that makes me even more happy. I'm going to have more tent on my roster. Yeah, he's definitely going to be a guy that you're going to move up to go and get. Let's move to the next player because this is probably the player that we're going to take the most time on. We're at 51 minutes. We've got three players down. on the board. We're going to be right on our

usual pace today. Right. Right. A lot of these guys, a lot of these guys are going to be able to speed through a little bit, a little bit later in this. I have way less to add on a lot of these other guys. Correct. But I will say this player has already started fights in the discord. It's already a hot topic. I have, I have little cue cards that to help me on this show. I'm just going to throw that one. We can just, we don't need it for this one. We've probably done the all the whole time. Get rid of them.

Not merchant? Are we doing this not merchant? We are, yeah, a lot of conversations about him. You have Travis Hunter here, Brett. A lot of conversations on will he, won't he, in the, you know, the show Hey, O'Tani role, if you would, never really seen before at his rate that I can remember. This isn't a Patrick Ricard thing where he plays like five steps a year at D-Line and then plays fullback. this is a legitimate two-way player i think the last one i could honestly remember i is it's not

was it troy brown on the patriots like i know it was a patriots wide receiver that went and played both ways pretty well but that's the last time i can remember troy played both he wasn't a full-time player on both though Travis hunter's a full-time wide receiver and a full-time corner charles woodson's probably the closest thing but he wasn't a full-time player on offensive either. He was more of like a six, 700 yard kind of guy. You know, third option in the offense didn't, you know, played half the snapsish. So that's a, he's in rare air, man. So yeah, Hunter, the only reason I like have him in the A tier and somebody mentioned maybe we should move Ted up to the S tier. I kind of think that might be true, by the way, talking that out with you guys.

I think Ted would be an S tier. But Travis, I just because I don't know what he's going to play, like what if the, what if, you know, Jacksonville drafts him number of, one overall and says, oh, he's a, he's our cornerback. He's going to be our number one. Like, because they got a good wide receiver room. I don't know. Like, I have no idea. I've, at this stage of the game, I have no idea what's going to happen.

I would assume coming from the, the Sanders family, and he pretty much is a Sanders at this point. He's going to want to make as much money as humanly possible. That's a wide receiver. That's that wide receiver. Because you can be like mid at wide receiver and pulling 20 a year. Just look at Christian Kirk. Jaguar's reference again.

But at corner, you got to be dang. good to reset the market at corner you want to get in 20 million ranges a corner you have to be a top five guy and like yeah he he might very well be a top five corner in the NFL but that's way less predictable than being a top 30 receiver in the in the in the NFL so so my first read on hunter is it's going to come down to more snap shares and needing to be on on a on a with a coach that strategically uses him I think he's going to play more wide receiver than corner but I can see him being a nickel corner in the NFL coming in in packages and rotation, things like that, certain situations. I can see that 100%. I have a hard time seeing the 80% of snaps through an entire game in the NFL.

You can be a unicorn all you want. He protects himself. We've seen that quite a bit. He stays away from the big hits, et cetera. The NFL's a little bit. No, I don't think it is either. The NFL is just a different animal, but I see a role for him on both sides of the ball. Like if he's a 50% snapshot on defense and he's a 75% snap share 70 snap share guy on offense and he has his packages, great.

I can see that. That's to me in the realm of possibility. But I agree that I think you're rolling the dice with him until we get a better idea. I think for him more than any other player in this draft, landing spot and coaching scenario matters more than any other player. in this draft. It's got to be the right coach. He might not play the offense. So that's what I mean. It's got to be a coach that that knows how to use him and maximize him, in my opinion,

more than anyone else. Well, let's maybe to help, if you can help, um, maybe contextualize how you view him in a vacuum versus this really weird specter that we've never seen before in dynasty of like, will he play the position that we drafted him for? He's an IDP goat. Let's pretend, first of all, that he is just playing wide receiver and there was no fear about him ever playing cornerback or only running 60% of the routes

or being a gadget player, any of that stuff. Where would you rank him among the wide receivers in this class or generally taking away all of the externalities? Yeah, I think he's the first or second best receiver in the class. if he's just a receiver. With, you know, the difference between him and Tet is really just pick your playstyle. You know, Travis is probably more of the, I guess, the modern guy that we're seeing thrive in the NFL right now, where he's smaller, just the foot speed and the quickness, ability to get in and out of breaks.

It's just insane, man. And then he's so good at the catch point, you know, for a smaller guy. What is he six foot or whatever? So it reminds me a little bit of Stefan Diggs, actually. Like, he's very similar to Stefan Diggs from a playstyle standpoint. Yeah, I mean, he's awesome as a receiver. But the problem is he's a better cornerback. So I can very, very much seen NFL team saying, we want that guy a corner because he's so good.

And I don't, the NFL, the way they monitor player snap counts these days, I don't see any team giving them both sides of the ball. Maybe in a pinch. We're down. Think about the attrition rate at corner for one. It's, it's like second to running back. Running back's the most hurt position. Corners by far the second most hurt position. So I just don't see a team letting him play both.

So it is landing spot dependent. However, I do think if he's a receiver and a full-time receiver, he'll be just fine for you. Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. Yeah, obviously the diehards think he's going to do it. He's a unicorn. It's 100% guaranteed locked in. I don't. I don't see it as 100%.

I don't like to speak in absolutes to begin with. That's how you end up unlike, you know, a retweet, quote tweet, fantasy receipt tweet etc and I just I just don't like to speak in those absolutes but I think he's a really good player it's just it's I'm gonna be waiting for landing spot I'm gonna be waiting to draft him in the leagues that go the latest for rookie drafts

I will not be drafting him in pre-NFL rookie draft drafts I'll say that I got a couple of those he's not gonna end up on those teams I'll wait for the post NFL drafts with more information I will say with Travis, I am a little concerned because he looks so much better on the outside than in the slot. And so if he is going to be kind of that gadgety player, you know, we kind of think of, you know, somebody that they're throwing into the slot who's not going to be running the full route tree. That's not where he thrives. He's a much better outside receiver.

So we'll see how that ends up impacting like what his future role looks like. But like, I mean, looking at his first year in, you know, FBS competition to now. and his snap percentages have changed drastically to where he is way more outside he has looked a lot better with it this year he's not you know a huge yak monster he had he is a way better route runner than i have been giving him credit for and i've you know coming into the season i was really skeptical of him being like an actual like fantasy asset i think that he definitely can be that i'd still just for somebody who you're going to have to be drafting you know potentially 105, 106 to have him on your teams. There's way too much unknown for me to feel that comfortable with them, especially whenever, you know, there's Tett who I think is just a better prospect in general, but you have Tett there who I think is a slam dunk pick. And then there's this kind of huge drop.

And I prefer him over a lot of these other wide receivers that will end up talking about today, but the unknown scares the crap out me, especially for where you're having to pay for it. Yeah, risk tolerance is going to be like a really strong presence with him anything pre-draft like you said you guys that are animals You know pre-draft NFL rookie dress is insane to begin with but I mean they're fun but my lord All right. We are going to kind of motor through here these are kind of the big four to me these are the core four of the draft Probably the most controversial to me everyone after this doesn't quite hit the same if you would so we're gonna a little bit faster on these ones so brett

doesn't fall asleep live and or jacob's laptop doesn't inevitably run out of power we all know that jacobs computer has a show limit that turns itself off after a period of time because it's over it so you'd think a lawyer would have the technology to power through but not the case for for our lawyer. Not the case. Let's talk about the number five player and, you know, Trey is going to really love this one. Obviously, who do you, who do you got here at five? Iowa running back Caleb Johnson. I like the pick. I really like the pick. This is a team that does not have a lot of offense aside from him. What do you like? Yeah, I mean, gosh, burst and vision. So I have three premium traits when I scout running backs. It's burst vision.

an ability to create beyond your blockers. The burst and vision with him are just truly elite S-tier qualities for him. He's good, you know, creating beyond his blockers, but that's definitely not his, that's not like his calling card. If he lands on a team with the zone scheme, he's going to be just phenomenal in the NFL, I think.

He is truly is a really good running back. I think in most classes, he's probably the RB1, you know, it's rare that he's going up against a guy that's, you know, Ash and Genty. So I love him. His tape is so good. He's, you know, we're talking about the cyclical nature of the NFL and you just looking for toughness at running back.

And, you know, he fits the bill that everyone's going towards. You're going to play too high against Caleb Johnson. He's going to eat you alive. Like, he's going to eat you alive. So I love him. We've seen that in the chat, too, where people are saying that, you know, the NFL taking the too high route, running backs are going to start creeping up more and more into that first and into the early second round here. Yeah, you're seeing it already. Yeah, just the running back contracts is off season. The way they're being used this year. It's like it's free yards. You're going to play too high against a good team that can run the football. It's it's free yards. Just real real quick. Simon, we have your super chat. We're going to answer that question. We're going to do that a little bit later. So we can just power through some of these. We see assignment. We love you. We're going to get to it. Don't worry. I promise. Um, yeah. No, I love this pick. I'm probably going to have a lot of him because I think the quarterbacks are going to he's the type of. He's the type of. He's the type of. He's the type of. He's the type of. He's. He's the type of. player that you're going to benefit sitting at 105 and 106 when look at these

quarterbacks inevitably go higher in the first round of the NFL draft pushing them up super flex drafts because I got to have the quarterback this is a to me a prime 105 105 106 pick that you're going to be happy with if you're just ready to stack running backs to start competing this to me is going to be if you've traded for a bunch of picks and you happen to luck out into this one and you're going to be very happy do you think that he is limited to one system like do you think you said he's going to be real happy in his own if it is a man heavy system because we know sometimes coaches and gms they try to draft someone and just stuff shove him into the system is he

going to struggle mightily in the man or does it have to be no he's just so good at so like running in a zone concept is so much on the running back to set up defenders make them peak gaps and then you know cut back against the grain not every running back could do it like you got to be able to cut off one foot for one. He can do that. You have to be, it's like this weird balance of, of patience and urgency at the same time. It's like you're, you're patiently waiting to set up a linebacker, but you have to urgently press the line of scrimmage so you're not, you know, sorting out traffic at the last second. It's, it's a very, very fine line you have to cross, and he's just kind of mastered it. So I just think he'd be awesome in his own scheme. He doesn't have to be in his own scheme.

You know, his burst and physicality, like, yeah, in a duo scheme or a power scheme where you can get him downhill in an alley. That's, that's a track. too i just think you're going to maximize the skill set in his own scheme can especially quarterback like a read option style quarterback like a put him with like a jaden daniels the dude's gonna freaking eat can i give you a spot let me do what you think the Denver broncos yeah that that'd be great they're they're more duo than than anything but duo and inside zone for sure that would be awesome big great spot you get bo necks they're gonna make the playoffs the pig is going to be a later like Sean Payton wants hey hey yeah yeah yeah we got a big game

that says going to say a lot about who's making the playoffs in week 15 there buddy yeah let's not put the anthony richard before the bronco yeah anthony richard needs to put together a few games that look good on the field and not just on film if you know what i mean uh you're not enjoying the uh you're enjoying the epic comeback drives through the last three weeks here uh honestly i just i was looking at flights to denver for the game um and um had had Xavier worthy's reception not been re scored as a rush and cost me several thousands of dollars I'd be in Denver for the game but alas I'll be watching it for my couch amazing no I just love the spot there I think the Broncos are making the playoffs Jacob so deal with it but I love the spot Sean Peyton late first I think I feel

like that's a really good spot for him so that would be that would be my pick who do you got next a morian Hampton North Carolina running back heard a lot of good things if you want like a slightly more juicy david montgomery this is your guy contact days he just his his ability to bounce off tacklers is just insane um even when he like he's not necessarily breaking tackles but he'll just drag a guy for five six yards i mean he is very physical just an awesome finisher um underrated in the past game as well he's got really nice hands um you know content contact ballots extraordinary vision's a little bit suspect at times you know north carolina definitely provide some favorable box counts for him and

he does struggle to sift through traffic at times a little little jalen wrighty from tennessee last year in that regard but um the physical skill set that was just so attractive it's mouth watering i think all three of these running backs we've talked about i have first round potential obviously gentee does but johnson and hapton i do think have first round potential late first you know that denver broncos range you mentioned the chargers range you know somewhere in there i think both these guys could go can i give you a spot yeah please do pittsburgh oh i don't know i'm i'm a nagey truther so that's they just don't pay running backs like they just don't pay running back and they have well you don't i mean they're definitely only Pittsburgh's definitely only

draft in a dude to fill at nausea walk because that's what i'm saying nausea and warren and a third running so i'm i'm banking on nausea walking when i think they're going to keep nausea though I think they'll just keep rolling with Naji and Ward. If he takes a discount, I agree. Because they just don't pay them. Is he free you? Yeah, this was his last year's contract. Yeah, they declined his 50 years.

So, yeah. So I like them in Pittsburgh should, again, late first projected NFL draft pick. They obviously the drafted Naji in the first round. It could be their thing back to back. I just, they don't pay running backs. I'm using that as history. Do you have a different spot that you like that would maybe bump them up

these rookie draft boards a little bit? I don't know what about you guys I don't know he kind of has Dallas written all over to me just like whenever I watch him that's just that that's what comes to mind is he I think that I don't know I just that's just it

all right all right Dallas um man this would be like maybe it's a better NFL fit than it is a fantasy fit but if I was looking for a running back that would make sense for me to pair with Chase Brown and Cincinnati where you need like more of a banger to Chase Brown being the more slender guy and Hampton's for a big guy, he's a very, very capable pass catcher. So where you could get two guys that kind of can work in all phases with a little thunder

and lightning. That would not be very, I mean, it would be very fun for fantasy in the sense that did like to me that's kind of what they envisioned their backfield being this year with Moss and Brown and Hampton to me is like a way, way. way better version of Zach Moss. Anti-misanthrop said Viking. You want to talk about fantasy.

I had Vikings too from an opportunity simply, but they're so outside zone heavy. I just don't see that being strength. Okay. Hampton's more of a bang or crasher. Yeah. And yeah. All right, here we go. We have, oh, sorry, where are you going to say?

Hampton and I've watched more because I obviously just like with the North Carolina offense, like obviously I was watching all the May games last year. So I've seen a little bit more Hampton and some of these other guys. I just think Caleb Johnson would be a better fit in Minnesota than Hampton. I agree. Okay.

I love that. Quick question for you, Brett. You were saying that you think there's going to be potentially three first round running backs. Do you actually think that Amarion Hampton can sneak into the first round? I just think that he has second round running back written all over him in terms of where teams are going to value him. Somebody at the top end of the second round is going to love him and scoop him up or, you know, my trade up to pick, number 35 overall to get him. But I just have a hard time thinking they's going to go in the first.

I think the scenario you laid out is more likely for sure. It's all going to depend on how teams view his ability in pass pro and as a pass catcher. I think he looks good as a pass catcher. If NFL teams agree with me, I could see him sneak into the end of the first round. If they don't, if they see him as a, you know, more of a Kenneth Walker, you know, who's a Nick Chub type, I could see early second round for sure. sure. I think he's a good path after. I think that's a strength to me.

Like I would say he, I think he's got a little more juice. But if I was to like comp him to like another kind of like bruising running back that has pretty pillow soft hands, like you think of like a Charbonnet comes to mind to me. I think he, I think Hampton's got more juice in his game and more agility in his game. But I think he's underrated pass catcher, especially at his size and strength. I'll say this. If he slips in that second round, round got a raven personality if you would to replace Derek Henry when his contract is up at the end of the next

I would I would too for fantasy but I'd like him on my football team all right next player we had in the chat very surprised we didn't see this guy earlier he is ahead of Sanders on a couple of board that I've seen so far a couple of rankings as well somewhat controversial pick, if you would, a little bit with how we play football. Yeah, that's right. Carolina Hurricanes legend. Cam Ward, Brett, let's talk about Cam Ward, who you have here. Yeah, so let me just make a Blake and say me about this QB class. I love Shadour Sanders.

I don't think anyone's going to come close to, you know, usurping. him as my QB1. And I don't think Cam Ward and Jackson Dart and a couple of the others guys, they're not top five caliber quarterbacks to me. But inevitably, because the NFL is the NFL, these guys will be talked about in that light at some point in this process. I'm just not going to do it right now. Okay.

So I'm going to be true to my evaluation on Ward. Ward is a fascinating player. He has, if you just like tools, you guys, like if you love Drake May last year, if you love Caleb Williams, you have to love. Ward you're forced you because he's he's got that crazy I like Ward but as the as the Drake Mae guy or emeritus of Drake May University I'm an Aller guy he's my QB1 oh for for freak's sake okay well we'll get to out though I don't know if he comes out though I don't know if he comes out but we have that is a bonus at the end he's he's on the bonus list

But Ward, from an arm talent standpoint, I mean, he can do everything. All of the Mahomesian throws, you know, that 10 other quarterbacks also make, but they're all called Mahomesian. Yeah, he's got all the different arm slots, all the different created, you know, creating out of structure and just ridiculous tight window throw. Like he's going to do all that at the highest level in the draft class. It's the quarterback stuff. He just doesn't do very well.

He's not a great decision maker. He's going to turn the ball over. His accuracy will absolutely fall off a table for no reason other than inconsistent mechanics at times you know he'll go like five six throws in a row just complete dog water and you it doesn't make sense um the pre snap stuff getting to the right plays getting the right projection protections he's not great there post snap recognition's not great so he's just dude if you love tools he's your guy it's just going to take a lot of work and it doesn't mean i'm out on him i will i'll have a first round grade on him it's not going to be a top fiveish grade it's going to be more like a middle

of the round kind of grade i e i have him seven here he probably gives you a little bit bit more rushing upside than Shudur Sanders does, even though I think statistically they're very similar in that regard. I think he's just, he's a little bit better athlete than Shadour is. So I think ultimately, especially down in the red zone, you know, you'll see you'll see Cam Ward take off a lot more. So I think that is a little bit more upside for fantasy from a running standpoint. Do you know who he sounds like to me? Who? A Cleveland Brown.

He sounds like your prototypical guy, the Cleveland Browns would overdraft. Sounds like a little bit in their front office. I don't know. I mean, there are a lot of weird stuff focused on their front office. Well, I could just see them taking a guy like him, letting Winston Bridge quarterback them, and then playing Ward a little bit later. It just seems like a very Cleveland Browns thing to do. But that's, it just just popped in my head.

I like Ward. I agree with everything you'd said for the most part. The two reasons why I like, despite being a pretty tools and traits, quarterback person, why I'm a little bit less infatuated with him. And part of why I thought May was equal or even better than Caleb last year's class was I fear that Cam Ward not only like can he make plays out of structure, but like seems to desire to make plays out of structure. 100% in a way that bothers me.

And then the other thing too is just, I mean, we've seen a lot of older prospects succeed. but the older prospects that we have succeed have seen succeed recently with the notable exception being maybe Jordan Love but he wasn't quite as old as to the other guys were guys that over the course of their college career became very polished like a Jaden Daniels

or a Joe Burrow and we had concerns about whether what happens when you come to the NFL you've had that much experience how do we wait that? I just don't love the idea of like third college team older prospect who then the

conversations about it is like, oh, he's really tools he's going to need some time. It's like, I have more time for that conversation on like a 21 year old junior. It scares me when we have like, you know, the incarnate word recruit who works their way up to Miami who's then going to need more time. But I certainly see the upside. I mean, some of the throes are ridiculous. That leads me right into my Cam Ward comp. I think he's a little bit more athletic, Will Levis. Okay. Probably terrifying. anyone listening, but. Hey, we're,

uh, we're, we're, we're Billy Jean, I enjoy a lot of us. I mean, he's not that good, but I really enjoy them.

Will Levis can do things that just should make other quarterbacks. Envious. Uh, it just, it's not all there. But I will say, dude's playing better in the back half. So let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Will Levis. I believe in you and your Mayo decisions. I believe in you. All right, Brett. We've got tight.

tight ends on the way here as you are mentioning who's first well how about this let's just throw them both out we'll have an organic conversation about them both colson lovelin and tyler warren michigan penn state um you play in a tight end premium league both great options for you love when kind of came into the year as the de facto tight end one you know i don't know that these guys are technically like i don't know that they'll be first round guys i think the tape is probably good enough it's hard for me because it's it's not the most valuable position in the world and we just saw Brock Bowers go where did he end up going nine uh he went eight not on any draft that i was a part of

but uh yes he went eight for the haters and the losers uh yeah i don't know where he went with the raiders is it oh yeah oh you mean in the NFL draft well i think both is pertinent here all right his dynasty superflex ADP was 108 in the actual NFL draft, I believe he went 12. Okay, yeah. So 13. Yeah, and he, he was a superior prospect to these guys in every way, shape, and form, and he went 12th. So I don't, maybe they sneak into the

end of the round, you know, round one, but yeah, Loveland, he's more of your move tight end, traditional route runner. He's going to be a little bit Dalton Kincaidish, maybe a little more athletic than Dalton Kincaid, but he's, you know, that's what he does. Route running, hands, he's basically a

big slot receiver, is also pretty good in the run game as a blocker. Tyler Warren's more your throwback, physical, you know, he's somewhere on the spectrum of Michael Mayer and George Kittle. You run after catch, stiff arm you in the face and, you know, little Jeremy shocky attitude to his game. You know, I think he's a decent route runner. I don't think he's the most amazing athlete in the world, although I say that. And he wears the Penn State jersey and they go test like absolute freaks at the combine. So who freaking knows?

But I don't think he looks on tape like a, like I didn't think Theo Johnson looked like a great athlete I, And then he went and did what he did. So I don't know. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. You go ahead. I was, I was just going to say we actually had a pretty decent tight end class for everyone not named Ben Sinat who just is getting Zach Ertz every single week, which depressing, but still, uh, right? Jatheed to the trade McBride arc. Step one, yeah, Kingsbury to sit you behind Zach Earth's for a year step two question mark. Step three, profit. But with guys like Sanders and Theo Johnson looking really good, obviously you feel these two are better prospects than those two. But even those guys were going pretty early into the second round at times in these tight end premiums.

So you're thinking probably no later than like a 111 to 202, which is probably very profitable for these two guys. Do you see year one possibilities or kind of the classic tight end? for these guys. Oh gosh, that's hard to say because with Loveland, he's already a pretty refined route runner. With Warren, he's insane after the catch. So, like, you can make it happen with him if you have to. And then Loveland with the route running,

like he should be able to separate against, you know, linebackers and bad safety. So, yeah, I think that's, there's potential there. It's just so rare. But, like, comparing it to the class before, these guys kind of remind me of Kincaid Laporta. Oh, you know, that tier of prospect where it's like late first into the second.

I mentioned Michael Mayer in there too with Tyler Warren. They're like right in there for me with all those guys. So I think that's, I think that's fine. Like I had a one on Kincaid. I'll probably have a one on Loveland, but it's going to be a late one. Okay, yeah. I did as well then. LaPorter was my one in the class and then I went Kincaid in that one specific.

But I think it's important to note that it's more Kincaid LaPorter than it is Sanders, Theo, johnson because that's a huge like that when you get a pair of tight ends that's generally what's going to get uh compared to especially when we know right these aren't bowers pits level prospects so that's that's that's good to know these are valuable pieces again you're going to be very very happy to have late ones and twos with these players that's going to do it for that tier unless anyone has anything that to add jacob i know you're on the twitter box constantly talking about these tight ends with one person specifically anyway. But that's more of a meme than anything else.

No, I did want to get Brett's take on this. And the funny thing, I mean, Max and I have had these discussions about Bauer's particular, but I don't want it to get misconstrued. I actually agree with him like 87%, which is why I spend the energy debating the other 13%. There's going to be a lot of people based on the production that are going to be Harold Stannes. And that's my name for the Fanon fan club. So what are your thoughts on him? He's been single-handedly carrying some of my CTC teams this year.

What are your thoughts on Fanon and then maybe just more broadly, how the modern NFL works? for some of these prospects that are putting up pretty insane receiving stats, but that are coming in more undersized. You can put in like a burning stool into this category, too, other guys like that. Yes. So Fannin's, so I haven't earmarked as a guy who I'm likely going to be higher on that I am right now. I've seen six games from 2024. And by seen six games, I mean, I've like did deep dives into them and two games from

23. So I have not been exposed to all of his tape yet. does not have a composite score yet for me. The tape is ridiculous. Now, the level of competition also stinks. Like, there are, you know, there are linebackers and safety trying to cover him that will literally be, you know, not in football next year.

So that's the tough, that's the tough part about it. He reminds me a lot of Isaiah likely as a prospect where likely, like his tape against that level of comp was comical. I mean, he had a 99-yard touchdown year where he outran every corner on the field. And then he goes to the combine and tests like crap. And you're like, what the? That doesn't even make sense.

But it's just the level of comp is weird. I do think Fainan's a more developed player than likely was when he was coming out. Fainan is a little bit better route runner. And your question about the size specifically, like the new modern prototype tight end is small. Trey McBride's under 250 pounds. Sam Laporta under 250. Dalton Cicade is under 250. You know, John Hussmith, Evan Ingram, all of the,

of these true past game weapons they're they're all smaller guys now fanon's a little bit smaller than those guys even i think he's what two will list it at two 30 i would imagine he's going to go on a crusade to get up to 240 by the combine but point being i i'm not too concerned with it as long as he doesn't get the tweener label like who was the dude from florida state last year that i love that got the tweener label oh jimel yeah jimba like him too and jim naggy told me from the start he's like dude the nfl's just not going to see him as a tie down the screen god yeah do great downfield but point being is like as long as he doesn't get the tweener label i think he i think he'll be all right is he is he at least six four fanning do you know yep that's so as long as he

that holds and that's not a bowling green inflation um you know six four two third or two 40s workable for sure love that let's well we can skip him later now uh but we know where he's at uh let's take our last break of the program and on the other side we're going to run through this tier of four wide receivers and then we're going to kind of do a quick dive on the remaining of the tiers we're going to run through them fairly quickly hold onto your seats you're going to go fast of course i say fast and i mean fast for this program um but we're we're working on it brett i promise um about these wide receivers and this one specifically is tied into a question that we have but who do you have at the top of this third tier sitting here at 10 i have missouri wide receiver luther burden now this is interesting it's pretty rare you go into a season with like a

consensus top four guys and then it holds almost exactly and that's kind of what we have this year with tte Travis luther and the guy will talk about next. It's like that was the preseason top four, and it's probably likely to be the actual top four, I think. So that's crazy to me. But Burden's a little bit more of your gadgety type guy that Lucas was referring to earlier. I think he's 510, 511. He's got speed for days, insane quickness.

Missouri used him on all kinds of screens and shallows and space plays. You know, you could take some shots with him. Because of the nature of the offense, it's hard to grass, just how refined his route running is the movement skills are there no doubt has the potential to be an excellent route runner reminds me a little bit of zay flowers though where it was like kind of a weird offense didn't get pressed ever we don't really know what that release package looks like and then you know he he's that's when he's struggled in the NFL that's why it's like he's not the most detail oriented player so i worry about that with burden a little bit but the electric aspect of

what he brings the table is pretty exciting so brian from the discord had asked good landing spots for burden to maximize his impact to feel even better about him as a prospect do you have a spot in your mind where you would potentially move him up a couple of spots i would like him to go somewhere that has probably an established one um so let's say the falcons don't hold on darnel mooney i think him replacing mooney in that offense would be a very very big win for both fantasy and for Luther Burden. Ray Ray McLeod. Yeah, or if you want to roll with a trio,

oh yeah, Ray Ray Ray McCle. Actually, you just described Ray Ray Ray McLeod kind of the way I described Burden, so that's perfect. Yeah, just don't wear number 34, for the love of God. I don't know. Okay, I have not watched like any film on Burden.

So so far, my impression of burden is based on solely his statistical profile and watching him on broadcast views. So I want to state that off the top. So I reserve the right to change this view. But like from a broad viewpoint, and I'm going to put this to you and then tell me if I, if you think this inclination does not apply to burden,

more, it's not really my argument yet because I don't have enough knowledge for it. If there's a like type of prospect from a data profile perspective, that I usually avoid like the plague, it would be like the hyped up freshman guy who produces a lot, plateaus in production completely. And then it's like, oh, like he never really grew. He's kind of still in this gadget role.

Like that's, I like start seeing plateauing production with early production. Plus, is he a real wide receiver concerns? And that's like nightmare, nightmare, nightmare for me. Tell me if that applies to burden or if he's just being failed by the Brady cook of it. all it's i think both things can be true i think missouri's a weird program and it's hard to really stand out there on offense i do think the situation around him probably stifled his growth so i think it's both it's both um to add to your point to you about concerning profiles i think most of his

like really exciting route wins like downfield were from the slot and you already get you guys already know my take against quarters coverage where he's one-on-one with the safety bro if you can't beat that guy you don't deserve to play in division one football so like same issues i had i mean we've gone through the list over the years wondell robinson elijah more that's how those guys all piled up stats so that that's my bigger issue with with luther burden so those two things together that definitely makes for a concerning profile you had somebody in the chat saying we i hope he's not rondale more that's been in the chat so i'm not a burden stand like i'm not i've always had concerns with him even as a freshman like i would have loved to have seen missouri use him differently they

tried to push him into being an outside wide receiver and just run vertical routes and he wasn't great at it until there was just a complete busting coverage and he's like oh he's fast enough to you know get 10 yards of separation in a hurry whenever they're running zone and forget to cover that area of the field yeah he he's a good athlete i think right you said perfectly that like he has great movement skills but they just pushed him so far into the slot role and then that's where all of his production came from that's really concerning he was injured a lot of this season i know you're dealing with an ankle thing for several weeks there so it's it's a little tough to like gain too much from what he was doing this season and then just missouri in general was kind of beat up so i'm

trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because there's definitely a scenario where he can be special. If you find the right person to use his athletic gifts and I mean the NFL's not a development league but if he can develop a little bit more in the NFL like there's there's definitely a scenario where you like him but I think he's going to test well at the combine and that I think people are going to see the tape of him wherever he's catching a pass with five yards of separation because they had him going backwards to giz ball and people are going to start drooling he's going to start going up draft boards and he might end up being anywhere between 104 and 107 when it's all said done and that's just not a player that i'm really willing to invest in at that

price right you're basically described a fake ass god if you would um fake college ass guy i made the joke over the year that it's hard to be a wide receiver one in rookie drafts when you're not even the wide receiver one on your own college team and uh that's kind of how i felt about him earlier in the year haven't gone back to check that take through so jacob said i hold the right to change that opinion yeah weiss man oh it just it that that was my running bit with uh luther burden earth in the year so obviously there are some concerns brett like you mentioned don't love the names that you threw out there so again probably somebody i'm gonna end up lower on because yeah i don't want a spider man meme type wide receiver i i try to avoid the gimmick guys but we'll see we'll see how that

Speaking of wide receivers, Toronto Dave said you should put him in the seat here then. But we'll we'll see. Oh, actually he should be in the seat here. Did I miss that up? Should be. No, he's on. No, no.

Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Didn't mess that up. Toronto, Dave. You almost got me. Let's talk about another player here. I promise to zero comments on the next three players in the spirit of moving along. Okay.

Let's let's hit the next three wide receivers here. Who's next here, Brett? We got Isaiah Bond, wide receiver Texas. Okay. Listen, when I go head to head with him and Burton, I actually like Bond better as a prospect. I told you I try to weave in how I think the NFL will feel about these guys. We see a player like Luther Burden go too early and damn near every freaking draft.

So I think there's a chance he goes ahead of Bond in the draft, which is why I have him ahead on the tierboard because I know you guys like draft capital. I'm going to be avoiding burden in most dynasty drafts. However, Isaiah Bond I like a lot more. And they have some similarities from the standpoint of like insane vertical speed, quick accelerators just you know burst for days i think bond's a more developed player already though if he's i think he can play on the outside i think he can play in the slot he's a pretty good route runner he had to play with quinn ewers this year and did relatively well which is hard i mean that's that's that's i was gonna i was just about do you think that uh you were's ruined bond

the way that maybe people thought he ruined worthy uh potentially although i wasn't a huge worthy guy either but no me either um man the thing with bond i think that's got people a little shook is he kind of has this soft mantra he's banged up all the time doesn't necessarily play through injuries you know that's that's not great you know wide receiver is another position of attrition as we've seen this year for the for the love of God so I think that's that's that's tough and he'll have to answer those questions come scouting your draft season or whatever and you know we'll never be behind the curtain enough to know if that's actually a thing or not unfortunately but that's just kind of where I'm at with him

Okay. I like that take. Who do you got next? I will say everything that I've read up and you have this guy at 12, which I think is interesting, kind of a slot only player, which obviously slot players is still very successful in the NFL, but well, a bit of an older prospect as well from what I can tell. Let's talk your 12th player on the board. Yeah, that's going to be Xavier Restrepo, wide receiver in Miami. this guy so he's he's here where he is because this is going to be one of my draft crushes of the year um here reminds me a lot like the NFL always misses a guy or two every year uh amon Ross st brown was one of these guys for me puka nucoa was one of these guys for me um i'm throwing ristrepo right into that mix he he can play on the outside i love this guy yeah do you okay uh yeah he can play on the outside i think but he obviously is going to be best in the slot. Just an excellent route runner. You know, all of the, I don't know, gritty, tough cliches you want to throw out for a slot receiver that he embodies all that.

He's absolutely ridiculous at the catch point. Maybe some of the best college catches I've ever seen from Restrepo this year. Made Cam Ward look, you know, really good at times. I think he does everything well. I don't think he has a true weakness to his game. He's not exceptional at a lot of things, but he's just across the board. Actually, I ran into Ricky Pierce saw a little bit, who was another guy I loved last year, but he's got that gritty toughness,

grinded out mentality, really good run blocker as well. He's going to go get after it there. I think he's going to be a coach's friend. Yeah, I love everything about this guy. I'm excited to see him at the senior role, by the way.

He's going to be, you know, premier viewing for me. You know how I know that I want to move somebody up in my own rank is when Brett lights up talking about a player more than like other, guys they immediately get the brett whitefield tick on on my list and restrepo just just earned it one more wide receiver left in this tier of four here the 13th ranked player in the tier list so far you have

alec iu minore from uh i have old miss on the sheep it's actually stanford that that was a typo obviously um this is a dude i have earmarked i talked about phaena earlier as a guy I'm probably going to like more and more as the draft process goes on. In fact, I'm just going to say it right now. He's probably going to end up higher scored than burden and bond for me. One thing this draft does not lack that several drafts in the past have is size that wide receiver. A lot of these guys are big minus burden and bond, obviously.

He's one of them. He's good frame. 6-2-10, explosive. I think he might be the best route runner in the class, straight up. vertical speed for days. The dude, I've gotten exposure to, I think, nine of his games now. Just every time I watch him, I fall a little bit more in love. So not only that, he's going to be a coach's best friend.

He does all the little things well. He's a menace in the run game, throwing guys on the ground, bouncing them out the club, blocking them into the other team's bench. He's awesome on scramble drill, which, you know, again, one of the nitty, gritty, dirty things that NFL teams will look for. I think he's exceptional at identifying saw spots in zone, understanding coverages and leverages. He's just awesome there.

He wasn't pressed a lot in college, but when you saw him get pressed, he disposed of press coverage like it was nothing. I mean, just tossed it aside. Like, it was a baby. He's got three or four different releases that I picked up on in the nine games that I watch. I'm sure there's even more in there.

Just exceptional all around, you know, X type player that I kind of like. No, I love that take. Don't know a lot about them. I'll admit, but I look forward to diving in. I'm glad we got to dabbling to these guys, because it's fun to see, like,

as you kind of get past the big names that everybody has at the top of the board, I love seeing these guys, because it feels like I'm getting a peek behind the curtain at like Brett's guys. Yeah, yeah. Where it's like, once it's sort of like you get past bird, and it's like everybody gets kind of their own flavor at this point.

And, I mean, obviously, I really like it when one of your guys happens to be one of my guys and in Restrepo. But yeah, I'm super pumped to watch more of my Almanor. Hey, we have got, oh, we have the destroyed Travis Hunter last year. I think that's kind of interesting. And we have a couple people asking about another receiver you have in the next tier. Let's kick that one off, though, with a couple players from Ole Miss.

And I know anti-misanthrop cannot wait to hear you talk about that. My other dude. My other dude in this class. I have 100% Debbie exposure, I think, to this guy. All right. let's talk tray harris brett what do you and do you not like yeah true um trace another one of these big guys a very experienced player i'm going to say something that's going to probably scare a lot of people he reminds me a little bit of tyquan thornton okay um in that he i think he's a

he's just a little stiff in the hips for a wide receiver and and that's that's really my only complaint with him i think that's a limiting factor um i'm trying to think of a guy he reminds me of um like other than tyquin thornton some that can that can give i can give you a little more praise with um geez he's a tough guy to comp i mean maybe like early career robert woods you know something something like that kind of gritty vertical i mean the vertical stuff is great with him and that's where the nfl attraction is going to be is he's awesome on the vertical route tree whether that's post corners go balls back shoulder stuff good ball skills um you know he's not overly elusive, but he, you know, I think that comes back to that stiffness.

I don't think he's going to be an overly dynamic route runner, but he's sudden with his acceleration. He's, you know, he on routes that it contained one break and it's not necessarily a flat break. He's good. So slants, post corners. I think he's good on those routes. Double moves, not so much. Anything that has a lot of detail with a release is not going to be great for him. Kind of like I need to hear more about because like I, this is probably one of the bigger hits I've had a devie in terms of just value increase. Like I was, in on this guy when he was at LA Tech. Yeah.

And then, you know, it's kind of found money where it's like, oh, he's going to be a top 60 pick the NFL draft. This is where I need by Brett Whitefield takes to know whether I got to sell these shares or keep these shares basically. Yeah, definitely not projected as the team's number one. But, yeah, we'll definitely see. Let's talk about his quarterback, though. Very exciting player.

I know a lot of people that I know in the Devi community. love this dude I mean he has definitely got swag for days you see he's rocking the head band and obviously you gotta have drip to make it that's I look at drip

and swag is it's a staple you gotta have it like a tight end not wearing gloves as Buck would say but let's let's talk about Jackson guard where they just have like white dudes who have too much swag play quarterback for them like Corral had the same vibe where it was like what What's going on with this?

It's hard to not look like you have drip in that jersey. Their vibe is you need to fail at least once after having so much hype, but you have enough confidence to come back. That's how you find an Ole Miss Rebel quarterback. It's just that's where it succeeds. It's four consecutive years of white dudes with headbands. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually, that's a good corollary right there.

Brett, let's talk about Jackson Dart. What do you like? What do you don't? Yeah. I really like Jackson. dart. I think, you know, it's going to, him and Cam Ward from a, from a football standpoint, like the evaluation is going to come pretty, pretty close to the wire there. So, if you liked the passing aspect of Jaden Daniels game, I think Jackson Dart is for you.

Complete, just awesome vertical thrower of the football. He's going to push the ball downfield. Some of the best downfield accuracy I've ever seen, and I'll throw that up there with Jaden Daniels, who I thought had the same kind of moniker last year. The only real limiting thing about his arm and the passing stuff is just the offense he comes from is just so just doesn't translate to the NFL. I think that's going to be an issue. You know, it's similar to what Hendon Hooker was dealing with in Tennessee. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah, it's, it just makes it tough to evaluate and kind of the developmental runway needed for Jackson is going to be pretty extensive. He's not a guy you're probably going to see play year one, even if he gets a pretty good capital. there's basically no post-nap, you know, reeds or progressions in that offense. It's all pre-snap, predetermined stuff. It's, we've seen other, like, Drake May played in a similar offense, and he's, he's doing fairly well as a rookie with low expectations. So it's not a deal breaker necessarily, but I do think this will change the NFL's opinion of him a little bit.

He's also a really good runner. He might be the best of the top quarterbacks. He might be the best runner of the football for sure. Interesting. Yeah, I think he. This applies to him. to Harris, obviously, and, you know, to some of the Jekins tape, like, what do you do when you watch a Lane Kevin offense and you try to make sense of it to an NFL perspective, like, or other

similar offenses? Like, how do you, like, if you're scouting these guys, because I, like, I remember this with, like, watching Jalen Wright, it was like, what the fuck am I supposed to do at this? Like, there's, like, so it's like what, when you're watching guys play in these offenses that are, like, way outside of what you would ever see in the NFL, like, what do you try to identify? So you got to rely on the traits, honestly. So for like a wide receiver, for example, like how is he breaking down to break out of his routes? Like what kind of techniques is using?

What's the footwork look like? For a quarterback like Jackson Dart, like, so like he has really clean pocket mechanics. Footwork is really good. He doesn't, he's not heel clicky. He's not up on his toes. He's got a really good base, consistent. The throwing mechanics are roughly the same on every single throw unless he's, you know, out of structure creating.

So those are things you can hang your head on. If that stuff was also messy, and then he's dealing with the fact that he's never, you know, had a progression-based offense, doesn't understand how to break down coverages. That's when it gets really dangerous, right? But because he does the small things really well,

I think that's like he won't have to learn that stuff when he gets to the NFL. So that from day one, they can just start getting into the playbook and building that offense. So I have a little confidence, you know, just because I think he's got a really good foundation to work from. he's a good athlete and he's got an exceptional arm i think those things will bode well for him i think he's going to be one of my more drafted players in the second round of super flexory redrafts

i feel like i'm just going to have quite a bit of him we have in the chat it says he equals gardner minchu which i've seen uh in the chat there so dart has a has a piss missile cannon for an arm i would never do him a disservice a car comping him to gardener minchew maybe it was a swag metric we'll have to see what jackson dart looks like in shorts uh you know if we yeah else has the coolest, the combination of name plus swag. True. It's at least like a half tier upgrade.

Your name is Jackson Dart. And you're just like, swagging all over the place. Like that's, yeah. I will say, I will say with this name, that honestly brought his value down to me for a while because it propelled his value up in Devely leaks because everybody's like, that's an awesome name. And, you know, it's just like, like, it's just like. one or two more spots that he's going up what was that exactly i was it say is it the tank bigsby scenario with with the NFL exactly exactly both coming from overrated SEC programs and both

people they just love the name so you know it just it bumps them up one or two more spots luckily though his first year at um oh miss he was so bad that it just yeah it just ruined his value in so people were able to get him much cheaper then. So now it's been fun to like, you know, you know, crap on him a little bit. And then he, you know, he came back up. But it's just one of those things. So we've got two players left to talk about the last tier. We're just going to rattle off some names so we can get out of here.

We've already talked about Fanon Jr. But before Fanon Jr., at 16, you had the master of college football 25 ranked play, the spin move Messiah in that game before he got patched a lot of questions as to why he went to Ohio State but he did let's talk about Quinn Sean Judkins uh definitely my kind of second round rookie draft running back as Jacob and I talk about often I am more inclined to hammer running backs in the second round than I am wide receivers just because when one hits they hit for gold usually so this is definitely somebody I'm going to be in on unless Brett you tell me not to be let's talk quinshawn judkins no i like quinshon a lot i you know i don't think his tape

this year was as gratifying his skill set than uh it should have been especially on a team that's competing for national championship for being honest but um yeah juggins is good man he's uh you know six foot 220 he runs angry he's physical violent fast you know big fast it could break tackles that's usually a really good combo he'd be a lot higher on my list guys if i thought he had any vision whatsoever i think that's his doubtful not good a big play hunter he gets i i've never seen a running back i don't think have more self-induced

tfls against him um than quinshaw jutkins and what's weird is he didn't really see that last year so i'm not really sure what the difference is what are you looking at in the kiffin offense like are you like i just like light box galore right five six man boxes all the time so that's a good point um oh State a little more pro style so they're going to see you know seven eight nine man boxes on the regular um yeah i just i think that that is a little unfortunately he's he's not going to score great for me

just because vision is one of my you know premier traits and he's going to score pretty poorly there for me but i do like the if he falls in the right offense right system vision is something that's teachable as well because a lot of vision comes down to patience and and stuff like that so um you know i i it's not a deal breaker but he's a little bit lower than those other running back we talked about because of it the biggest my hope and Sean to be oh sorry go ahead no you go Lucas the biggest thing with Jutkins for me is that his freshman season was amazing insane nobody nobody saw it coming coming out as like a lightly harold three-star recruit goes off for 1,500 yards in the SEC and looks otherworldly and you know he's going like first overall in some

Devy drafts after that. Yep. And he has such a slow start to his sophomore season. People are really concerned. He just looks so much slower. He kind of turned it on at the end of the season. And then this year, you know, like, he's having his split work with another NFL running back in that backfield. But it, it just concerns me so much that the best version of him that we saw was as a freshman. And it's just started to keep going downhill. like it just it seemed like he just trusted himself and like his abilities as a freshman went out there he bawled and it's like as things are becoming more complicated or more things are

being put on his plate he just starts to go downhill just that much more so i'm i'm really really concerned about him uh he definitely has some home run speed which i like he's not as like i think that he would break more tackles than he does he's he's still fine at it but he's not you know elite at it for somebody his size it just it just seems like there's something slightly off about his profile to your point of the old miss running back where you know Zach Evans was the big hyped guy Judkins stole Zach Evans's soul and then and then and then Jenkins got to but uh I mean I love that the physical traits to me are fantastic and my hope is he's basically had one year playing right running back in a real offense.

And so hopefully that some of the vision issues and stuff can be taught in the NFL. Obviously, I was hopeful that we would see this year that he had more of those things that were sort of hard to figure out when you're playing in Kiffinland. But yeah, obviously not the greatest year this year. Do you like Henderson at all either, the other guy in the backfield? Well, we're going to talk about him later. So let's hold off on that. we can ask the question about him but we added fanon junior let's talk wide receiver at ohio

state brett who you got oh yeah i'm at buca they've been asking in the chat for an hour when he was going to come out yeah i like him he's not um i don't think he's an overly high ceiling player i think he's a really intelligent super high IQ guy um actually my my working conference right now is Rashi Rice. And I've watched every snap that Mets has ever played. I think some of the athleticism downfield is a little bit fake, a little bit inflated by college secondaries, where I think his role in the NFL is going to be as a power slot,

big run after catch slot kind of guy, really just really awesome feel for zone coverages. I think that's where he thrives. And then you can scheme stuff up for him too. You're going to play too high against him. You can give him some of those Debo looks where, you know, whether it's end-or rounds or just, screens, shallows, whatever you got to do to get him the ball in space.

So I don't think he's a super high ceiling player, but I definitely like him. He's going to be very valuable to an NFL team for sure. I want to noted that Brett Whitefield has said he is a one for one comparison to Debo, Sam. The next Debo, like Twitter has been looking for us as Debo was drafted. Clip it and save it. Cade, don't do that. So we, that's the end of that tier.

So we're going to move into the D tier. And for time purposes, we're going to list them all. We're going to list them. And we're going to reserve questions for one guy, maybe two. And we've got our game. And then we're going to get out of here. So Brett actually wants to come back next time.

We're going to list these tiers. So Brett, you hit me with the names and anything you feel necessary to mention about these players. And then we'll ride. Oh, let's go, Jaden Higgins, wide receiver, Ohio's, or Iowa State. Whoa. This is another guy. I think I'm going to wind up on higher than some of these other guys we've talked about. X, X receiver type, awesome downfield, really, really, really crispy route runner.

I think his body control for his size is exceptional. I think NFL teams are going to like him. He plays in a weird offense, so that's not ideal. But he's a very good player. Travion Henderson, running back, Ohio State. The other running back, gosh, Henderson is so much to like in his game. The juice, he's got juice for. days, the cutting ability.

It all resembles J.K. Dobbins a little bit. It's great. But he's very, very soft for running back. Always her, always banged up. The fact that they brought in Quinn Sean Judkins is not a good sign for me with Trayvon, Trevionn Henderson. They knew he wasn't going to hold up for a whole season. He never has. So that's the biggest concern there.

Talent, all world talent guy, maybe more talented than the O'Mari and Hamptons of the world even. He just, he needs the health and the body to not fail him. or maybe it's a mentality thing, I'm not really sure. Before you get to the next one, I want you to please be careful that there are two Tennessee Volunteers fans on this podcast. So just keep that in mind for the next guy. Yeah, one alumni and one fan. Let's go at the next one.

Jack Beck, wide receiver TCU. Oh, I was going in the wrong order. My bad. Sorry. You're good. Formerly LSU. This is a guy I'll be higher on than everybody come actual draft season when we're stacking my big board. very much a the gritty slot type player kind of a was a tight end wide receiver hybrid for a little

while broke out as a true slot receiver for tCU this year he was a c2c cheat cheat code i actually traded colston loveland for tyler warren jack back in a round two pick in like week three and that's uh that's paid dividends for me obviously so um yeah back is great uh just really good rut runner, not an exceptional athlete by any means. He's going to be more functional to an NFL team probably. But I think if he gets the right capital and falls in the right spot, you're looking at another kind of that Rashi Rice type role. Ty Felton, wide receiver, Maryland. Exciting player. If you want discounted Luther Burden, this is your guy. You're going to get him a whole round later plus in fantasy drafts. NFL is going to be a round lower on him probably as well, maybe even two.

But he pretty much does the same thing. Gunner Helm. tight end Texas. I actually got on to him last year watching Jutavian Sanders tape. This dude is a freak of nature after the catch. Like, hilarious to watch. Completely clowns people after the catch.

The route running took a little bit of a step forward this year. Again, he had Quinn Ewers at quarterback, so that sucks for him. But, you know, I think he's just another tight end. There's so many good tight ends. We didn't even get them all on this list. Dylan Samson running back Tennessee. I'm a big Samson guy.

I think I'm as of right now from what I've seen, I'm probably the highest on Samson than anybody. I think he's a significantly better player than Jalen Wright was. Jacob, not on this podcast. Good. Would you put out your draft guide and you have him higher than me? Let me know. I'll promote your work.

You're on the right podcast for Dullsats to Love between the Lucas, yeah. Yeah, Samson's another just like, I got like Alvin, Camara vibes and I'm not doing the same school comp, I promise you. But just kind of a slasher type. A number. Did they really? Oh, God. Yeah.

I got to find a new comp then. I can't do the same school. Slasher type, good, you know, creative ability after his blockers. He's really good in the past game. He's got enough juice to hit home runs. Actually, he's got several plays outrunning SEC cornerbacks in the open field. So I think he's got plenty of juice. 25. Arrondi Gadsen

the second tight end out of Syracuse. It's funny, there's sites out there listing him as a wide receiver and I don't understand. I know he's a little light in the pants like 235, 240 pounds, but he's 6'5 and he plays in line freaking half the time. It's not like some of these guys, they never play it. Like the North Carolina kid, Nesbitt, Bryson Nesbitt. Yeah. He plays in the slot like 85% of the time. So I get calling him a slot receiver. Gadsden's

in the in line position, at least 50% of us. snap so whatever um but he's this dude is an exceptional route runner really good pass catcher um sucks in the run game though he could get will mallory treatment for sure so i'm a little hesitant this high yeah i know i know i know i know leave me alone um but i just love him i had to put him on here just to just to pump him it's the 25th guy you know who it's yeah i think we need to play mallory more i i never want to see colin granson on my screen again i so i i'm all here for more mallory snows Granson's on like a four-game heater of awful right now. Yeah.

Dude, Granson's on a four-year heater of awful. Well, there's been peaks and valleys, right? I feel like he'll do something to get your attention. The last four games, Ben, dude,

horrible. Colin Granson, I'm sure is a lovely family man. I've been a die-hard Colts fan since, like, basically I watch football. I've never, like, had more personal dislike for a player than Kyle and Granson.

Like, I just, part of it's just that the cult's refusal to have a real tight end. Yeah, that's weird. Just, like, causes me to get radicalized against whatever tight end is in front of me. But, like, Colin Granson is, like, six foot one and a half, doesn't block anybody, and you can't catch a seam route. So I just don't really know what we do here. So, anyway, sorry for the Colin Grantson's stray, but, like, it's outrageous how much he's killing the theme in the last month.

There are three players not on this list that some people might think deserve to be. We don't have a lot of time to dive into them, but I just do want to know you have it. Assuming these following players don't enter the draft. You have Drew Aller, Jalen Milroo, and Evan Stewart as three guys, you are assuming go back to school. Yeah. I can hear all from grace for Evan Stewart. He was like consensus three prior to the season. And because of that, he might enter the draft.

I don't know. He is kind of a lost season for him. Production was way down. He missed a bunch of games. I would assume he comes back. That's been the trend lately. NFL teams aren't as scared of the senior receivers as they used to be. Perfect.

I think, yeah, just good to note those players. Somebody would be like, well, they don't have so and so. Hopefully you stayed to the end because we will talk about it. We'll talk about it. Next time, this is the board. Three hours coming out, baby. Up 10. Let's go. This is the first board, first set of tiers.

We got T-MAC moving up. which, you know, we didn't expect, but hey, you talk it out and you have a different, a different mindset, different look at this. We are going to step away for a second. We'll come back into the game, final thoughts, and get out of here. Sit tight won't be long. Do that. I got all the buttons clicked right on time.

We're back here. Brett, we're a dynasty show, but we have egos. And with that, we like to do this game where we take a quarterback. outside of the top 15 running back outside of the top 15 a wider people outside of the top 30 because we are sickos and a tight end outside of the top 20 we each pick a player within these range on ppr weekly projections and we take those players we tally their weekly points we put it all into a total and the winner of this game gets to pick the beverages consumed by the other co-hosts on the fantasy points live draft show last year

Jacob had us drinking pickleback shots while we were live on that broadcast and I still haven't emotionally or mentally recovered. Jacob, you have been in the lead since like week five, but Lucas has stormed back. We have Jacob in the lead at 837.76 PPR points. Lucas is at 739.06. I'm at a cool, calm and very nice 669.02 points. and Ryan is at a 641.14 get smoked scrub. Exactly. So what was that? Brian, I was Jacob so far ahead of everybody.

He had three. I had one week where I hit the quarterback one, running back one and wide receiver. And then every it was like, I don't know what happened, but like for one week, I just touched God. And every, every single week, like I'll, I'll have a 96 point week. and then Jacob will just have enough to stay ahead with like you'll have zero zero and then i get the judy monday night game and that was yeah so every time every time we get closer jacob just does something insane but brian's not here i'll read off his picks he's got winston versus k c dowdell versus carolina uh thielan versus dallas and kate otton versus l a

i need to take a big swing if i have hope so i went aaron rogers this week with the jackson game I'm pairing him with Garrett Wilson because maybe hopefully Aaron Rogers will decide to not alpha move deliberately miss Garrett Wilson so he can prove to Garrett Wilson that he controls how much bread gets put into his bank account I'm just I'm projecting here but that's just something Aaron Rogers would do I'm going Brian Robinson because I feel like Washington is going to coast a little bit in this game he is been really good all year I like Brian Robinson to score and do a little more And I'm pairing him with the tight end sensation, the guy that can't stop scoring 15 to 20 tight end premium points going Zach Ertz because he's just been Mr. Consistent with Cliff Kingsbury. I need a big swing here. Lucas, what do you got?

All right. So for me right now, I'm being a little risky, but I have to at this point to try catch Jacob, just running off time. I would keep up with whatever I've been doing. That's been good. But I have to swing for the fences here. So I'm. I'm going with Will Levis as my quarterback up against Cincinnati, which just gives up massive amounts of points. Then a little chalky with David Montgomery as my running back. Taking a little bit of a swing with D'Andre Hopkins, hoping he's really working out of the slot because that's at least where Cleveland's giving up massive amounts of fantasy points to wide receivers. And then Mr. Kyle Pitts. That one hurt, but as good as well as. Las Vegas is, hey, as good as Las Vegas is at Titan with Brock Bowers, they give up so many points to Titans that are split out wide.

So I'm hoping, I am hoping that this is Charlie Warner. I am putting my bet on it. You know, I got made fun of a lot. I got made fun of a lot whenever I put Bryce Young on this sheet and I took it on that show. And then he had his best week of the entire year after that. So you know what? I'll take it. I'll take it.

I'm making a huge comeback right now. So I need this. I lost the final last week in an FFPC league by 0.25, which again, to repeat, was because Xavier Worthy had a screen pass that was rescored as a rush. So I won and then lost. Really not over that. But Kyle Pitts was on that team. And every member of that team, except for Puka, who was the only reason it was close,

is under immediate scrutiny. Kyle Fitz is not forgiven. I'm not taking Kyle Pitts. I'm taking Matt Stafford, who has been QB1 in the games of Pooka has played this year. Taking Jonathan Taylor, I thought the healthiest he's looked since the ankle injury against New England. Now he gets a buy week in the most important game of Indianapolis this season is essentially a playoff game this week. I'm taking Darnel Mooney, who is, you know, just I guess, is the number one wide receiver on the Atlanta Falcons. or at least he's number one in yards this year on the Atlanta Falcons over a what did Brett call him earlier the pumpkin

Drake Drake London the pumpkin and I'll take Johnson who is the only member of the New Orleans Saints who I'm confident will be on an NFL roster next year among their past cashers so that's probably a good sign for him what about league winner MVS bro come on not anymore uh do you think who's didn't do we think jay caner slash spencer rattler is going to be throwing those deep themes to MVS on it. Raller would with his Yolo Ball mentality. Hainer would not. Weller would try. I don't know if you would succeed, but he's definitely given it a shot. Oh, man.

That's going to do it for a program today. Brett, we like to do a little final thought or obviously you feel free to plug whatever you want. Final thoughts on the show. Final thoughts on your first look at the tiers. You said this isn't something you do on a regular basis. So you have any final thoughts here for everybody before we get out of here? I almost never translate my prospect takes to fantasy football.

So I'm glad you guys are forcing me out of my comfort zone. It helps me think about things differently and it will inevitably help my scouting process. So appreciate that. I would love to come back and do this again or even just talk prospects as we get closer to the draft. You guys are awesome. I always love it. Even Lucas, who doesn't talk that much, but should talk more because he always says a good thing. yes we keep we keep telling him that there are times i literally have to dm him while we're

live and like you got to can you move for me blink blink lucas uh we need to shed the a j hawk moniker that is stowed upon lucas as much as our chat loves it i got we got to get rid of that yeah um there we i usually have an alternate overlay brett where it says a j hawk over his name the chat seems to love it Lucas doesn't like it as much but we're uh we're we're we're it's like being bullied he's the nicest human being uh on the planet one of the genuinely nicest people but again that he's he's a man of the people he does it for the chat look this show was phenomenal i'm glad we got the opportunity to do this with brett whitefield you can catch everything he's doing obviously fantasy points dot com discounts galore early bird special coming

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